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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
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a moment. Five six six nine zero is the text line.

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me feel better.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
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Speaker 1 (00:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
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This so, I'm jealous of the fact that you can
grow facial hair better than me, and you're like a
third of my age.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:18):
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Speaker 5 (01:19):
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only coming back stronger, just.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Glaring at me over the top of his computer screen, like,
why can't you grow facial hair?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Are you a child?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Because you hate Justin Fields mentally, I mean, you know,
it's less a it's less a hatred of Justin Fields
and more just like an acknowledgment.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Of his suckitude. Justin Fields is an acquired taste.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
You know, as you mature, you're able to wire or
you know, coffee or something, the finer things in life.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Justin Fields quarterback while you get there one day, I mean,
at twenty two was a starter. Anytime a team scores
twenty one or more points. I don't think it's an
acquired taste. I think it's a that dude can't win.
This is the Oh yeah, he went to the Jests,
so they're gonna be so much He's gonna be so
much better with the supporting gast the Jets Broadway justin

(02:05):
Oh my god, where he gets fired six games of
the season for Torod Taylor.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Just remember, just remember, he's gonna go in and pop
Tyrod's lung himself.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, we had.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
The Nuggets been making moves today in free agents have
been active and busy. You got Michael Porter Junior getting traded,
bringing to Cam Johnson, you got rid of the twenty
thirty two first round pick. You saw Bruce Brown to
a veteran minimum deal. The financial flexibility, this I think
is his goodness. And then we just got a tweet
just a little while ago say the Nuggets are out there.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Looking at Horford. I would love that.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I think that's the ideal move at this point. I
think the glaring weakness is still that backup center position.
You need someone who can give Jokic summer leief, especially
relative to what DeAndre Jordan was able to offer him.
I know there's some excitement about Deron Holmes, but I
don't know if he's ideally the backup center. I think
he's probably more ideally the backup power forward.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Horford, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
Can win in the playoffs or at least give you
quality playoff minutes. He might be towards the end of things,
but there aren't many great options out there. I think
he's by far the best one available. I hope the
Bronco or sorry, the Nuggets make two more signings between
now and the end of free agency. Horford should be
one of them, because I think that helped Shore up
right now is the biggest weakness on the roster.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Gives you a versatile defender who can give you a
quality you know, eight take to twenty minutes and rebounds
as well. You said you hope they make two signings.
Is there another signing you have in mind? Did you
like the Nuggets to make I'd love and.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
I don't know if the finances will ultimately work out,
especially with Horford probably coming in as a more expensive option,
but I still am circling Luke.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Canard and Gary Trent Junior.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
I think they were some of the more appealing options
for the Nuggets to look at entering free agency, and
the fact they were able to pull off the Camp
Johnson deal, get under that first apron, and then Bruce
Brown gets added for only the minimum.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's now.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I don't know if they could do both that and Horford,
but those are moves that are still on the table.
So if they don't get Horford, I hope they do
that and then maybe get a cheaper center option. But
I hope you can still add another quality bench contributor
and you know, a backup center option, whether it's Horford
or one of the lesser options on the table, which
isn't great right now, maybe you'd have to trade or something.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, it won't be Canard. I'll tell you that he's
going to the Atlanta Hawks, so that that's a Hawks
are my Eastern Conference team.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
With what they're doing. I was sitting you were out
of vcation, I was talking about it. The Hawks are sneaky,
a good, a good basketball team and about to get
a lot better based on the moves that they're making.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
But he's gonna go there on a one year deal.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Garriy trans Junior, though might might be somebody that you
could you could look at in this situation. I just
I mean, for me, I'm looking at this Nuggets team
now and I'm like, Okay, you need one more three
and D guy, and you probably need another guy who
can be a part time ball handler, you know, unless
you really trust Jalen Pickett, who had that one game and.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Then we never heard from him again.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I like, you need somebody given Jamal Murray's lack of
playing eighty two games, you need somebody back there that
that you can rely on in a pinch that it's
going to have to be able to give you ten
games out of a season to be able to bring
the ball up, you know, and do that kind of stuff,
and and and it provide something on the offensive and

(05:14):
other than bringing it up as well. And I don't
know who that would be at this point, and you
know where where you would find that, But it feels
like those are the things you need. It feels like
the front court is set. It feels like, especially if
you bring in Horford. You know, you get Doron Holmes back,
You've got Joki, You've got Gordon, you know, you get
Horford in there, that that's pretty set. The wing over

(05:35):
there with Cam Johnson. Okay, we know what that is now,
and you've got Strawther and Peyton Watson, you know who
could who can flow through there a little bit as well.
But the question now becomes, Okay, you got Christian and
Bruce Brown back there at the at the off guard Murray,
what else are we doing?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
What's what's behind Jamal Murray?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
And I think there's some solid options, you know, not
the most exciting things, but Dennis Shrewder I think could be.
You know, at this point we're talking about not someone
who's gonna have to be the sixth man, but can
maybe be the eighth or ninth man.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
So I think Dennis Shrewder at that point. Roger's going
to the King. Oh he's already signed. I don't know
if he's already signed, but he's Okay, yeah, got you.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
But still Trey Man, I know he was tied to
the Nuggets. Maybe he's priced he shouldn't be priced out now.
Actually they're in a better financial situation. Spencer Dinwiddie, I know,
was a guy a lot of Nuggets fans were circling,
I believe around the trade deadline this past year. You
can now get him for probably pretty cheap. Again, not
the most exciting option, but hopefully you're not having to
ask as much of him as you were having to

(06:33):
ask of you know, Russell Westbrook or you know, Bruce
Brown before that where they really had to be not
only the Jamal Murray backup but also the sixth man.
Now that you've rounded out the depth better elsewhere on
the roster, hopefully you know, maybe Bruce Brown and whoever
this signing can kind of split that duty and make
it where, you know, you can replace that role in

(06:53):
the aggregate to use the moneyballism five.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Six, six nine year olds text line, Yeah, as we
look at this, I mean the Nuggets. If you do
add Horford, I mean to talk about a thirty nine
year old basketball player. You start to look around, and
they got older, with Cam Johns a little bit older
than Michael Porter.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
You start to look around.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
You're like, okay, there really are pushing all in on
Nicola's window here. Does it concern you the amount of
draft picks and youth that they've moved away from post
that window, Because however long Nicola has left, and I
would say you probably two to three years at the
elite level that he's had barring injury, and then you
start to have that, you know, you start to have

(07:30):
that mid thirties decline that everybody has.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
If you're me, it was a mid twenties decline.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
But you know whatever, I think it bothers me a
little bit when I look at I mean, you had
to offload Murray's contract, you had to pay the first
round or to do it as an unprotected twenty thirty
two pick. I mean, now you're starting to talk about,
you know, picks you don't have down the line to
be able to replenish this thing when you're going to eventually.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Need to do that. I think that's fine.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
You know, in the NBA, it's all about having that guy,
and the Nuggets were probably never have that guy to
this extent. Ever, Again, you know, Jokic is already pushing
that top fifteen convo. He's a top twenty lock. You know,
he's a better you know, franchised goat than a lot
of NBA franchises still have had to this point. And

(08:16):
not only that, but considering his play style, how he
elevates everyone around him, he is such a great piece
to help create winning He's great for winning basketball, not
just some crazy, flashy player like an Allen Iverson or
Russell Westbrook was at his prime, or James Harden. I
think that presence is something you go all in on

(08:36):
who it'd be shocking if they were in as good
of a position in twenty thirty two, if they were
the Los Angeles Lakers, and seemingly every seven years, some
incredible superstar.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Talent wants to sign with you. It's maybe a little different.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
But the Sorry the Nuggets goodness are not in that position,
and I think you've got to push it all in
on Jokisch. There's something they haven't done a good enough
job up until this point. And I also don't think
I think, you know, the draft pick is something, but
I don't think they're doing that much. From an age perspective, yes,
Cam Johnson is a little older than MPJ, but MPJ
had three back surgeries. You know, in terms of like

(09:11):
wear and tear on the body, or how much they
have left in the tank for the rest of their career,
Cam Johnson probably has more. MPJ, you know, said publicly
that he almost retired after that NBA Finals victory. I
don't think Cam Johnson's considering retirement at this point. So
even if they technically got older, they're probably getting a
player with a longer career lifespan.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I don't know if you saw the Malik Beasley stuff.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
That's the clips are so incriminating, like how desperate he
looked to make the cover that won. You know the
worst one where he goes coast to coast in four
point five seconds in a game where he's down eight
spread with seven and a half to make it a
six point Yes, make it to make it seven from nine, right, yeah, way,
And that.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Was I mean, you look at this stuff, and it's
interesting to me because a lot of the conversation around
sports wagering says that, well, you introduced this, and you
introduced this concept, and I'm on the opposite side of
the fence. I don't think that he would have gotten
caught if the regulation, a portion of it it didn't exist,
Like if legalized sports wagering didn't exist. I don't think

(10:16):
believe Beasley gets caught the same way I don't think
Porter's brother gets caught because you don't have algorithms out
there looking for suspicious behaviors, certain unders always.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Cashing or big bets coming in on certain unders.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Those kind of you know, player prop unders those kinds
of things, or the like Beasley situation.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
There's a lot of evidence, no proof on easily, but
a lot of evidence. And that evidence is because sports
wagering is legal.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
I think that's definitely an element that doesn't get talked
about enough. You know, with legalizing these things, they're always
going to get more regulation, and that's a benefit. That said,
I think, you know ESPN, any of these sports channels,
it's it's you know ESPN especially every segment now seems
to have some sort of ESPN.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
That gambling tie in.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
It is a very front and center part of sports
culture at this point. And I think, you know, as
a result exposing more of these players to this with
you know, constant advertising.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Advertising is there for a reason. You know, it works.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
It helps get people interested in the product, and some
of those people might be athletes, so I think it
probably opens up the door for more people to do it.
I think it also makes it, to your point, easier
to catch those people who do run a foul of
the lar or try and put their thumb on the
scale in this kind of sketchy way.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, and that's that's the part I'm legalizer and regularly
because I'm my My problem is, and there's all these
people who will make it illegal again and all this stuff,
and I my problem is, you know, I don't think
the government can tell me what I can do with
my dollar if I want to go out and buy,
you know, marijuana, if I want to go out, And
who are you to tell me I can't what I
can or can't do with my dollar? Like I earn
that dollar. It's my money.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I should be able to do what I want.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
With it, so, you know, I but there are people
that find the wagering portion of it intrusive into And
I grew up with Bobby, and I grew up where
you had to have it backhanded, you know. Brett Marsberger
would make cheeky comments about the score. Al Michaels would
beg you know, cheeky comments about the score. I grew
up with with that. Is it Is it that pervasive
in the modern because I don't even recognize it when

(12:17):
I watch a lot of this stuff anymore. Is it
that pervasive that that you feel inundated with the gambling
aspect of it.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
I don't know if you're necessarily inundated, but I think
it's pervasive. I think it is, you know, like every
I feel like coming back from break almost every other
break on you know, ESPN, especially because they have their
ESPN bet thing.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Now, I think they're the biggest defenders.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
But I feel, you know, I was watching their free
agency coverage earlier today because I was curious about what
they were going to say about the Nugget signings.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Almost nothing.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
They immediately went onto a Lake hypothetical Lakers segment, but
the right after the signing, they immediately throw up the
championship odds on the screen and how they're changing because
of the Nuggets moves, and what do we think about
those odds and how they stack up when I feel
like two three years ago, the framing of that segment
would have just been, you know, oh, we did a

(13:09):
live Twitter poll or whatever, and twenty percent of people
think the Nuggets now we can win the NBA Finals,
And that's probably a less valuable measure.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
It definitely is a less valuable measure.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
But I think in those different ways it's become a
much larger part of the sports, sports culture and sports conversation,
and I don't even think it's necessarily a negative, but
I do think it puts it in players' faces more.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Fair enough five six six nine zeros text line, I mean,
are you a wager?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I mean, like we all know how much in generate,
but like, are you I do it for fun? I don't.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
I'm not trying to make it an average you know,
the five dollars bet that kind of Yeah, it's fun
to you know, I'm using the promos or you know, hey,
going out watching games with friends on like a Saturday
or a Sunday. I'll I view it as part of
the expenditure of the day. I'll throw twenty five dollars
on games. Maybe I'm a little more wasted or whatever. Yeah,
maybe I And it's fun to do commune and all that.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, neither of us are like Grant Smith, where we're
throwing ten twenty thousand dollars, you know, down on each
game shot. Everyone can afford this lifestyle. I'm just saying, like,
we're not all, you know, big bawling. We don't all
have mustache endorsement deals, you know.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Sears maybe joining on. I just say that, man, I know,
I'm just jealousy you both.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'm just sitting here, like you know what I'm gonna
have to you know, how they do that the advertised
like the hair like the reside, the hair transplant stuff.
I'm gonna have to see if they have like beard boozer. Yeah,
five six six zero is the text line.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
We had a couple of these coming in.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Let's see here how much of mel Michael's points spread
comments were gratuitous, made just to get a reaction.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Some of them were.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
But I also think it was like Al doing a
week in a nod about because Al is known to
be a wager the same as Brett.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Both were but before it was legal. You know, both those.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Guys knew the same things I knew, but going you know,
the offshore books and all that kind of stuff, and
what you had to.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Do, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I guess, like are a lot of people that complain
about the presentation of a lot of sports now because
of the way that wagering is so heavily integrated. I
didn't even notice it, you know what. I maybe that's
I'm immune to it because I've come up with it
for so long. I don't notice it there. And obviously
you know ESPN bet, Yeah, they get to was a
pen gaming that people who punted on the list that
loser whips ball at Burstel peng Gate. They punted on

(15:20):
them and went to ESPN. But and so I understand
it's an integration, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
A revenue channel. But I don't know. It doesn't take
away from it for me.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
But I do find the new offseason content, which was
largely ceentered around that kind of stuff that people write
about ver the Broncos are such and such, championship ods,
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I find it to be something that's I find that
part of it to be a little bit.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
We come back.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
We got the NFL six pack. You guys listen to
Broncos Country and I care with it all right here
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for the NFL six pack. And before we get into this,
I gotta ask, is you're gonna be you think about
Tom Brady and the Sydney Sweeney on the six pack tonight,
because that's making me drink a six pack.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'll get to it. I'll get to it. Well, well
with that, let's get to it. The NFL six takes
time for the NFL six pack. I'm going to drink
the last year insight and insight information you can't find
anywhere else. No, the top six NFL headline.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
What tonight, the annual installment of the NFL's Top one
hundred Players list, as voted on by the players, will
be released. Which Denver Broncos do you think will make
the Top one hundred?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Do you think bow Knicks makes it?

Speaker 5 (16:34):
And how high do you think PS two will be
ranked after his Defensive Player of the Year campaign?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
No, I do not think bow Knicks will make it.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
The Top one hundred generally features four quarterbacks, and.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I would not say Bo was not one of the
best four quarterbacks in the league.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Honey, Broncos players two or three?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Who do you think those two or three are? Patrick
of Tan Drag, green Law and Quid Minors. So no,
Zach Allen think No, Nick Benito.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think Zach Allen should be on there, but he
just doesn't get the respect in Benito.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I don't believe we'll be on there.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Pete Prisco does his one hundred every year. He had
three Broncos ps two, Quinn Miners, Quinn Miners and Garrett Bowles.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh, Gary Boles, So I bet green Law?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I bet green Law will be on this one though,
he's like around the league, he's somebody with a high so.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'd say three. Maybe maybe we get lucky and get
like four.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
But again, like on these lists, like most teams only
get three or four. Some some get like one or two.
Maybe one you'll have get four. You know, that's something
like that. But you got to remember there's thirty two teams,
only one hundred guys on this list. So if you're
getting any more than the two or three you doing?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
All right?

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, where do you think PS two is?

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I missed that? Oh, you'll be top twenty, somewhere in
the top twenty.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
He was nine on Pete Prisco's list. I'm gonna say
he's even higher. I'm gonna say top seven. He's got
to be top ten. I mean, I don't know if
you will be, but I think, in.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
My opinion, it's very hard to argue he's not a
top ten player in the league right now. He just
did something only three quarters have done in the last
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean, if I were putting a list together,
he'd be in the top he'd be in the top
twelve for sure. Maybe could get.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Him down to seven two.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
All right, you mentioned it Tom Brady, switchy, SENI there's
some drama there, Ben, Why don't you fill us in?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh? I just I mean, it's just funny to me.
I we can't let this man have have everything. Tom
Brady was spotted, we'll say, chumming it up with with
Sydney Sweeney.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Dancing till two am. Yahoo, Yeah, dancing till two a m.
Hanging out with that at the What was this at
the U? Is it Jeff Bezos bezos wedding or whatever
those chicksaw?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, And apparently apparently Orlando bloom Moves, fresh from his
uh split from Katie Perry, was also uh, you know,
hanging out and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
But yeah, a lot of people are saying that Brady's
been chatting it up and all this kind of stuff. Well,
you can't. Somebody stopped this man. He can't have everything. Hey,
he lost his wife.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
And his kids in custody, so why not give.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Him Sidney Sweeney?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
No, he's the man had how many championships, he's got.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
How many millions of dollars? We're good. You already got
married to a supermodel, one.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Of the most famous supermodels of all time and divorced
from that, you know, Tom Brady, No, you can't have
this one.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
The ultimate divorce dad.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
You know, he had the little wwe walk out a
couple days ago where he got what Uli Manny threw
him over his shoulders or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And now the Sydney Sweeney thing.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
I feel like he's, yeah, the ultimate if the divorced
dad was.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
To go to football.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And this was like the biggest story to come out
of the Bazils wedding, which had a bunch of stories.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Coming out of it.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Not that it's you know, particularly football related, but yeah,
nobody is confirming or denying anything, which usually.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Me you know, which usually means something's going on, right.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
My favorite meme that came out of the wedding was
that nineteen private jets were flown to the wedding. So
make sure you keep using your plastic straws and recycling.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yes, we gotta make sure you got to make sure
we use paper straws.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Sorry, Tom Brady can fly on his private jet.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Alex Singleton said today that this season the Denver Broncos
need to chase being better than their historic twenty fifteen
Super Bowl winning defense. Do you think this year's defense
could potentially reach those incredible heights, and if so, how
likely do you think that is? Well, that's a good question.
The potential is there?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
On paper, I think this team top to bottom is
probably better overall. The questions now are health, you know,
I mean, I think that's the main thing.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
But year and over look.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, I mean, because the twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen,
both those defenses, the super Bowl winning win. The year
after the year after defense was actually better, just the
offense wasn't as good.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
They didn't get as many lucky breaks.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I thought the year after the super Bowl they were
I mean, they were just great.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
They were good last year though, I mean they were
really good.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I wouldn't put them quite on the super Bowl level year,
but maybe just a tick below that. So I believe
adding the if they can healthy with the additions that
they've made, I believe it will put them in that conversation.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, I think it's well on the table. Linebacker I
think is the one concern. But everywhere else, I think
they not only have solid starting options, but they've got
quality depth to where they should be able to survive injuries.
You know that that wasn't the case necessary necessarily last
year at corner. Now, I think you can say that
defensive line is depth edge only got deeper this offseason
with the Kew Robinson coming in. The Savion Jones two

(21:27):
can help up there. I think it's really good. I
mean to put it in perspective.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Both those teams the Super Bowl in the year after
it gave up two hundred ninety six, two undred ninety
seven points, right, they were very good defenses. Last year's
Broncos with an extra game gave up three eleven.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
They're right there, and then they got a lot better.
They added Mark sorry, John a Bart excuse me, and
then he might be a top three Broncos player per
the league view based on the top one hundred.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
We'll see, we'll see how that goes. But that defense
last year was was very very good.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
NFL dot Com ranked the five best quarterback draft picks
of the twenty first century, based on which quarterbacks provided
the most value relative to where they were selected. Tom
Brady the Goat, took the number one spot, unsurprisingly considering
he went at pick one ninety nine, followed by Aaron Rodgers,
Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, and Brock Purdy rounding out the

(22:21):
top five.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
What do you make of that list?

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Do you think there's any snubs or any of those
top five players being overrated?

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Okay? To be clear, Rock.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Party was rated as a top five quarterback of the
two thousands.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Top five quarterback pick saying like going where they were drafted,
producing what he did?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, Okay, so dollars to value based on where they
were selected.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yes, that's why Rusk comes out.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Lamar Jackson, thirty second overall pick, comes in at three,
and I think Rogers went twenty four to twenty five.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
He comes in at two.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
This is since two thousand, since two thousand, which I
don't know how Brady n ninety nine?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
You know, Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you'd have to say that Brock
Party and Tom Brady based on where they were selected,
would certainly have to be you know, in those conversations.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
My thing is, if you're putting Aaron Rodgers at you know,
number two, because he goes at the twenty fourth pick,
is it really that different than I don't know, Patrick Mahomes,
who I think has probably been better by most measures,
going at number nine, Like do those fifteen picks make
that much of a difference. When we're talking two fifty
versus pick number nine, I can wrap my head around

(23:29):
that argument.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, talking about pick twenty four versus pick nine.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
I feel like at a point, the quality of quarterbacking
the value created the superseds, you know, however far or
however late they went in the draft, especially if we're
talking other day one picks.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well, right, I mean because in that situation, all of
a sudden, Nick Foles has value.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know, you start to look at Jack Presscott. Yeah,
why wouldn't Tarad Taylor be in that? Tara Taylor was
a sixth rounder, you know, I mean if you're factoring
in where they were selected and depending on how much
you're weeding it for that, I don't know that feels
like that that adds that adds a ton of context

(24:09):
to that situation.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean, you had a couple of guys.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Matt Castle was a guy that it probably gets forgotten,
but but he was a seventh round draft pick and
he didn't play quarterback in college, played tight end. You
know that That's something that I think you'd have to
put somewhere in that conversation. You know, fascinating the two
thousand and three draft, if you're counting offensive coordinators instead

(24:33):
of just their their play on the field.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Click.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Kingsbury and Ken Dorsey were both drafted the sixth and
seventh round of the two thousand and three draft. So
you know, I mean, I just I don't know. I
don't know how you do that and you come away
with he come with with something and Mark Bolger and
was drafted in two thousand and sixth round.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, It's just it doesn't seem like there's a great
formula for it, because again we're having what two of
the top five guys are day one picks. Yeah, and
Lamar Jackson is up there is among the best quarterbacks
of the twenty first century, But is he the number
two guy? And is the gap between him and Mahomes
or whoever else you want to put there worth the

(25:12):
however many picks between them?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, and not having Brady I don't know, because Mark
Bulger and Tom Brady were picked thirty picks apart, both
in the sixth round. Now were had a good career, Yeah,
I mean both ared a great career for you know,
especially for a sixth rounder.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So yeah, I don't know. I think the value per
where they're picked.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I'd have to know the formula and that there's gotta
be some kind of better way to you know, to
douce that five.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
ESPN's Matt Miller released his first mock draft for the
twenty twenty six NFL Draft.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
That's right, we're already in Seller's going number one. I
don't want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
He doesn't, Okay, it is a I was very surprised
by who he had number one. I'm also a Lenora
Seller's truther. In his mock draft, he predicts Arch Manning
will stay in school. I believe he will too. Okay, well,
there's my question. Do you think Arch will stay in school?
And if he does, how do you think that number
one pick could play out?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Who are the options on the table?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, Sellers would be up there, Drew Aller would be
somebody that would be up there. At Penn stay the
league loves him.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Sorry, I didn't mention he had Cave club knit going
first overall to the Browns.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, I don't. Sounds like a Browns quarterback.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah yeah, haven't we learned our lesson on clubs and quarterbacks?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Well that I mean, I don't know why you necessarily
want to go back to the well.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
They haven't translated the best.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
And also cave club Nick seems by far like the
lowest squattage version of him. He kind of seems like
a lesser, like a poor man's Baker Mayfield, which.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
The typical Clubson guide. Oh, by the way, throws a
lot of interceptions.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Little doesn't have the strongest arm. Leonora Sellers, I'm with you,
I think that could be a really exciting when Drew
Aller also, like you said, he's at least got.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
The league loves him this year.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
If he would have come out this year, he would
have been the second or third quarterback taken this year.
Camp Wood would have gone one, but he would have
been the second guy probably taken.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
If she's were.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Talking themselves into Jackson Dart as the first round quarterback
like Awler had his words last year. But I think
he's got more exciting traits than Dart and just better
film even at.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
This point in their respective careers.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Basically, Aler was told by the NFL Advisory Committee, go
back to school, get the reps. Is it anymore with
nil money? Like you don't need the money, go back
to school and get the reps. You know, if you're
a quarterback who's marsh goal back to school and get
the reps and Aler, you know, he's probably gonna benefit
from doing that. He'll probably be the first, you know,
the first overall, if not second overall pick in the
coming draft. There are a couple of players out there

(27:42):
you could kind of see, but because quarterback gets push up,
it's probably gonna be a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
And I would be shocked if it wasn't our our.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Sellers and the young quarterbacks that are doing the best,
to the point of Drew Aller going back to school
are the ones with a lot of reps. You know,
jayde and Daniels bow Nicks, these guys that are really
hitting the ground running in recent years, even seen.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Seniors, guys twenty four years old. It's the opposite philosophy
of the way it used to be. But and the
guy's bought me now.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Trey Lance and Anthony Richard there are probably the two
of the biggest bus in recent quarterback history.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Exactly exactly what it is. And you sort of see that.
You see you're seeing that now. DANIELJL is gonna be
the unquestioned starter for the Colts this year.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So six.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Lions cornerback Kerry on Arnold said, I know I'll be
the best cornerback in the league at some point, I
think was the implication rather than just saying this year
he will be. Do you think Terry and Arnold could
at one point be viewed as one of the NFL's
elite cornerbacks and do you think he could even maybe
challenge PS two for that throne.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
No, I believe Terry and Arnold will be a fine
corner in the league. Do I think he's a top
five corner in this league?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
No, I don't do. I think he can get there evntion.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean maybe maybe, but I wouldn't put him ahead
of Stingley. I wouldn't put ahead of Satan, I wouldn't
put ahead of Sauce.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
You know, just right off the bat on young, you
know the young guys, lots of good young guys. Mc duffy, Yeah,
he's gonna be Jalen Johnson's gonna be. That's another one.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I mean, there's I know, I don't believe that he's
a top five corner in this league. I don't believe
he's gonna be a top five considered a top five
corner in this league and Christian.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah, that's another one that try Hunter hasn't even gotten started.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Right, And that's that's the thing. I mean, you look
at that and then you know he's he's a little he's.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Small, I mean PS two. Part of the reason he's
so good is because of his size. You know, he
has height, weight, speed in addition to his ability. Terry
Norland's like, what five eleven, you know, one hundred ninety pounds.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
No, I don't think so. Not for me.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
He's a good player, and I'm not trying to now
geus into pejorative. I just don't believe that he's that good,
that good.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
What do you make of PFF?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
They they're releasing their position by position rankings. They ranked
Sauce Gardner's the league's best cornerback head of PS two, which.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Which was weird because they say that the best non
quarterback in terms of grade. You know that in terms
of wins above replacement, the best nonququarterback player was Patser Tan.
So maybe the left handies know what the right hand
is doing. They're at Pro Football.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Focus because they can't seem to get their act together.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
How can you be the most valuable non quarterback number
two corner.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, and the number two corner.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
You can be the most valuable non quarterback player in
the league and the number two corner at the same time.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I don't even know how that works.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
And if your grades or whatever are tony that Sauce
Gardner in what was probably the worst year of his
career was better than Patrick's ortan and you know, a
top five cornerbacking season of the last thirty years. And
there's probably something wrong with that algorithm, you know, that's
that's a canary in the coal mine.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Whatever it is, the grades or whatever it is you're
using to come up with this stuff is Yeah, something
is flawed in that. If you've got a player who
provides the most impact outside of the quarterback position in
the league, that's the best player at his position period.
I don't even know how you would. You could with
a straight face put stuff like that out.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
And you could argue even the best player in the
league bar none, if the only people creating more wins
for their team or quarterbacks while they play the quarterback position,
they're always going to have an outsized impact on wins.
If that's the only measure, and you're going toe to
toe with those guys. You might be the best player period.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah. That's yeah, And there's so much of that that I, well,
there's so much of what PFF put out this summer.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I have questions about Broncos. Country Tonight rolls on after
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