A Harrowing Escape for Tiffany and a Shocking Scandal for Evers' DOC

On Monday's "Dan O'Donnell Show," Dan breaks a big story: The Wisconsin Department of Corrections has paid more than $1.1 million to a "gender identity consultant for prison inmates." Dan also discusses every aspect of one of the most shocking developments of the year: Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Tiffany cheating death after a plane crash in Lake Wausau over the weekend.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
President Trump weighs in on the great AI debate.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
There is no debate. The Packers suck right now. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Didn't want to open up a busy broadcast week on
a downer, but we're like 24 hours removed from the
start of that game and I'm still ticked off. Do
we want to hear a good old-fashioned Dan O'Donnell rant today?
in the five o'clock hour about the green bay packers
and why doing the exact.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Same thing over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Simply does not work this is a new one though
taking points off of the board would it have mattered
maybe Maybe not. The Packers did get dominated by Minnesota
from that point out.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I thought I saw a statistic.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
The way the Packers have lost their last six games,
dating back to Micah Parsons' injury midway through last season,
is something like one in 2.5 million to blow all
the leads that they did, including that heartbreaker against the
Chicago Bears, which apparently does translate to the start of

(01:12):
next season.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I thought... Once the season was done, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Done, but the bad juju for the Packers appears to
have carried over. All right, I promise you I'm done
because we should be celebrating what may actually be something
of a miracle. A miracle of God, a miracle of
first responders, a miracle of a pilot who, under incredible pressure,

(01:37):
when everything was going wrong, did the right thing. We begin, however,
with a major, major exclusive here on the Dan O'Donnell Show.
The Tony Evers Department of Corrections has spent more than
a million dollars paying a gender identity consultant... for prison

(02:00):
inmates we'll get to that story in just a second
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last couple of hours, hour or so that you're at work.

(03:01):
If you miss a single second, you are going to
miss some exclusive stories. You're going to miss me complaining
about the Packers.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
You could probably hear your uncle after like eight beers
as the Packers were blowing that game. We had a
big party at my in-laws for my son's birthday yesterday.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And I, boy, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
All I'm saying, as a Green Bay Packers owner, heads
are going to roll. Yes, I do have the stock.
So just in case you think I'm a fair weather fan,
I am a lifelong Packers fan. The Packers are in
my blood. But this is starting to get ridiculous. And no,

(03:44):
not all of the blame can be placed at the
feet of Matt LaFleur. But something is seriously not working.
I made my position very clear. I thought they should
have moved in a different direction after last season. But
we're back and we're going to try it all again.
All right. Tom Tiffany cheating death for those who miss

(04:05):
it is a major, major international story just because of
how unbelievable it is. Saturday night at about 845 ish p.m.
Tiffany is coming back from a Lincoln Day dinner. He,
along with pilot Leonard Boltz, a 73-year-old man who also
serves as the Langlade County GOP chairman. He is apparently

(04:29):
a very, very skilled pilot. They're flying a Beechcraft K-35 Bonanza.
It's a four-seat, single-engine plane. It suddenly lost power on
their final approach to the Wausau downtown airport. And Boltz
told Tiffany, buckle your seatbelt.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
We're going down.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
About 10 seconds later not a minute not 30 seconds
put on your seat belt brace for impact we're going
down they hit lake washington about 10 seconds later bolt
says the presence of mind to retract the landing gear
right before impact during a press conference yesterday evening tiffany

(05:11):
said that saved the plane from cartwheeling and very likely
saved the two men's lives. Now the aircraft started to
submerge bolts called nine one one. They climb onto the
sinking plane. They're sitting there for about 10 minutes. Then
they say, okay, this thing is going to be submerged.

(05:32):
We think we can make it to a sandbar. They
have to swim about a hundred, 150 feet. It's fortunately
shallow water. Wausau fire department, Rescue crews reach them by
about 9.05. They go to the Aspirus Wausau Hospital. Both
miraculously suffered only minor injuries. Tiffany said he needed just

(05:52):
12 stitches above his right eye after he hit his
head on the dashboard. I believe Boltz needed four stitches.
Both were treated and released from the hospital. And Tiffany
gave a remarkable emotional press conference last night.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Quite a day and just grateful for the Lord for
sparing us to see another day.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Federal Aviation Administration is now investigating. The National Transportation Safety
Board says it is going to wait for the FAA's
investigation to either conclude or at least get underway. It
is also going to investigate at some point. Still no
word on what exactly caused that power outage.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
It was.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
again nearly miraculous people don't often survive when you have
a small plane crash Tiffany in that press conference as
he was starting to describe his injuries got emotional because
it was almost as though he had had his adrenaline

(07:03):
just pumping for 24 hours when he gets to the
hospital ID I couldn't even imagine Cheating death like that.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Then you go to the hospital and you're so amped up.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
You don't have time to think about what would have
happened if you were killed. And he got emotional while
recounting his injuries. He starts talking about Len Boltz's injuries
and then his own. And you can hear him get
choked up as he thanks God, as he thanks the
first responders. As he finally, I think, realizes, and he

(07:37):
actually makes reference to this, he finally realizes that Just
what happened, it finally sinks in, and it was just
such a human moment.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
He had four stitches, I believe, in one of his bones.
That was the extent of his injuries. I have 12
stitches up in my eyebrow, but other than that, just
a few scratches.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
We are just really fortunate.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
We're really fortunate that God is looking after us last night.
And we're also really fortunate that the first responders, those
behind me, the fire department, the sheriff's department, as well
as the city of Wausau police, for their quick response,

(08:35):
we're really fortunate for what they did. And I can't
thank them enough for helping us in this situation.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
I have to say that the gravity of this is
probably just hitting me at this point.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Because we were making jokes every step of the way
last night, though we knew it was a serious situation.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
But we... We tried to keep it light through the
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
We're just really fortunate that we had a skilled pilot
who knew what he was doing as we were going
down after we lost power.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
And just really fortunate he knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
We will have much more on this. Tiffany is going
to tell his story. First interview goes to Sean Hannity
on Fox News tonight. We hope to speak with Tom
later in the week. I was talking with members of
his campaign team and said, look, I just when I
reached out yesterday, I reached out to Tom and just

(09:53):
said I said a prayer of thanksgiving because I woke
up to about 40 texts, about 30 newsreels.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Alerts.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
And I thought I get up pretty early in the morning.
I unfortunately went to bed, I guess, a little bit
too early or I would have been up late to
see that news. But we are hoping to talk with
Tom later on in the week. But I said, look,
the most important thing just is I don't want to

(10:22):
say get over what happened. Yes, the professional, the guy
who talks for a living is sort of at a loss.
What I'm saying is you have to work through it.
It's not just the physical scars. And I do want
to compliment Tom Tiffany. They say chicks dig scars. That

(10:43):
is a gnarly scar over his right eye. Chicks are
going to dig that. You also have to be careful
because already you had a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter named
Hope Carnop tweeting out, well, it.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Wasn't that impressive.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Lake Wausau is just 30 feet deep at its deepest,
and the average depth is seven feet. Yeah, unless he's
Victor Wembenyama, he's not going to be able to walk
to safety.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
And, oh yeah, his plane just crashed.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
We'll get into all of this coming up, most likely
in the 4 o'clock hour.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Boy, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
And of course, you had some of the usual suspects,
just randos on the political left. Every one of the
David Crowley sent his he apparently called Tom or texted
Tom and reached out and just said, hey, man, I
am so glad you're OK. Democrats have been able to
behave themselves, something they couldn't do on the first anniversary

(11:49):
of Charlie Kirk's death. So I guess we should probably
be thankful for that. All right. Huge exclusive here on
the Dan O'Donnell Show. The Wisconsin Department of Corrections has
spent more than $ 1. 1 million on a gender identity consultant

(12:12):
for prison inmates. We obtained years of records of payments
from the DOC to Cynthia S.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Osborne.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
She's a retired assistant professor at Johns Hopkins University. She
has been paid, are you ready for this, an average
of $ 105, 000 per year for consulting work with the DOC
since it first began contracting with her in 2015. Payments

(12:44):
to her increased dramatically during the Evers administration, as you
would imagine they would.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
The DOC has paid.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Her $ 785, 000 thousand dollars since 2019 in 2016 and 2018,
the state records that we reviewed show the DOC or
excuse me, the department of health services made four payments
to Osborne totaling $ 39, 905 in total, the state of Wisconsin, you, me,

(13:16):
all of us over the past 11 years have paid
Cynthia Osborne, gender identity consultant for prison inmates, $ 1, 201, 326. 52. In 2019,

(13:47):
The first year the Evers administration had control over the DOC,
it paid her $ 149, 000, the single biggest one-year payment since
she began contracting with the agency. a decade plus ago
in twenty twenty one do see paid her a hundred
thirty nine thousand dollars and the following year made two

(14:10):
payments to her totaling a hundred and thirty two thousand
six hundred six dollars you can see as soon as
the evers administration takes over the program that yes was
started under the walker administrations do see which was always
something of a road agency which was always a dysfunctional
problematic agency The payments dramatically increased. While she was averaging

(14:35):
under $ 100, 000 in consulting fees during the Walker administration, she
all of a sudden gets bumped up to $ 130, 000, $ 140, 000
a year. In the first four years of the Evers administration,
Tony Evers' first term, the DOC paid Osborne nearly $ 500, 000.
That's roughly 45% of her total compensation from Evers.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
The agency.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Now we reviewed all of the payments to her. They
identify them as for such things as quote, gender identity services,
gender identity disorder, consulting, gender identity consultant and the like,
although it is totally unclear what specific consulting services Osborne

(15:24):
provided the department of corrections and has not yet responded
to a request for comment on the payments to Osborne,
what they were for, why she was getting paid so much,
and whether she was incurring further expenses by consulting with
these inmates, many of whom, and we will provide evidence

(15:47):
of this coming up in the next segment, will pretend
to be transgender in order to get transferred to women's
prisons or so that they can have a population of
potential victims to sexually assault. We will continue with a big,
big exclusive. You are paying more than a million dollars

(16:11):
to help prison inmates transition. You're listening to the Dan
O'Donnell Show. It's conservative thought. I can tell the libs
are already trying to minimize this. I mean, you had
a truly hackish Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter try to do
that yesterday morning. She deleted the tweet after I called

(16:34):
attention to it in very, very close. quickly went mega
viral in conservative circles that the politics reporter for the
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel was very obviously trying to minimize a
freaking plane crash that almost killed the Republican nominee for governor.
we will get to that throughout the show first big

(16:56):
exclusive story here on the bed o'donnell show we are
just breaking now the wisconsin department of corrections has paid
more than one point one million dollars to a gender
identity consultant from main she is not even from wisconsin
in fact early on when the d o c was

(17:17):
paying for an average of a hundred five thousand dollars
per year They were paying a significant amount of money
in transportation expenses. What she was doing, near as we've
been able to piece together, is every time an inmate
in the Wisconsin prison system claims to be transgender, she

(17:37):
is consulting. Instead of just going with, there is a protocol.
that the DOC follows. Instead of just going with local doctors,
local psychologists, and psychiatrists, you have got this retired professor
at Johns Hopkins University, and her curriculum vitae suggests that
she is going to say every single time, yes, I

(18:01):
do believe that this violent rapist is actually transgender, and
we should put him in the women's prison. Total of
$ 1. 2 million paid to Cynthia Osborne. The Department of Health
Services about 10 years ago made a couple of big
one-time payments, $ 30, 000, $ 40, 000. But under the Evers administration, starting

(18:26):
in 2019, the Department of Corrections has paid her an
average of about $ 130, 000 per year for what? we're not
entirely sure the payments are logged in state records as
for gender identity consulting gender identity disorder consulting gender identity

(18:51):
services and gender identity consultant in twenty eleven The DOC
adopted a policy that requires all of its prisons to
provide specific accommodations and case-by-case housing for inmates who say
they're transgender or they have some sort of intersex condition.

(19:14):
It is not automatic, and this is where the gender
identity consultant comes in. The Division of Adult Institutions policy,
which was last updated to take effect this past June 29th,
allows inmates to self-identify as transgender, either at intake, where

(19:37):
they're first brought to the prison to start serving their sentence,
or at a later date during their sentence. If an
inmate does say they're transgender, then the prison staff must
immediately notify the DOT psychological services. Then there is a
determination whether the inmate actually has gender dysphoria. If the

(20:00):
inmate does, DOC must, and this is according to the
DOC's procedures, provide underwear matching the inmates' desired gender, clothing
that matches the inmates' physical characteristics, as well as makeup,
hair removal products, and separate showers. If inmates are taking

(20:26):
cross-gender hormones, or if they have secondary sex characteristics, and
because I know there are a lot of school kids
in the car listening to me right now, I'm not
going to get into depth on that. If that is
something that they have, multiple parts, shall we say, they

(20:47):
must shower separately. Health staff... are required to use their
requested pronouns in all official records, other prison staff members
can do so at their own discretion. So if all
of a sudden Jeffrey Dahmer starts identifying as Jessica Dahmer,

(21:08):
the health staff that is treating Jessica must use she,
her pronouns, whereas the general guards and other prison staff,
the warden, I'm not even sure if the DOC.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Calls prison wardens wardens anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Heck, in David Crowley's Milwaukee County, the jail inmates are
actually called guests or residents. But the wardens, the guards,
they can use male pronouns if they desire. Housing decisions, i.e.
whether you're transferred to, say, Techeetah, the women's prison here

(21:45):
in Wisconsin, are Those are made on a case-by-case basis.
DOC officials are required to weigh inmate safety and security against,
are you ready for this, the inmates' own views. That
is specifically in Division of Adult Institutions Policy 500.70.27. The

(22:14):
policy's title, Transgender Management and Care. It was first enacted
in December of 2011, and it has been updated multiple times,
most recently on June 29th. So if an inmate says, man,
I feel like a woman, and he's not singing along

(22:34):
to Shania Twain, then he can actually go to the
women's prison. This potentially can become a big problem because,
as we'll see, a significant percentage of Wisconsin's prison inmates
who identify as transgender, and there are way more than
you would think, more than half of them have sexual

(22:56):
assault convictions on their records. so if the inmate and
and the gender identity consultant cynthia osborne remember who makes
in some years she made more than the governor of
the state of wisconsin if you can believe that for
consulting inmates on transgender issues and presumably helping this psychological

(23:21):
staff get the inmates to their desired housing location the
inmates own views So do we ask the Fox if,
in its views, it would really, really, really like to
be in the hen house instead of out in the woods?

Speaker 4 (23:38):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
But according to this policy, one that is costing for
one consultant alone, by the way, and we are going
to have follow-up reports on other gender identity-related expenses, We
are paying $ 1. 1 million to potentially put sexual assault convicts,

(24:01):
not suspects, people who have gone to prison for sexual
assault into a women's prison where they can assault more women.
Housing decisions are always made on a case-by-case basis with
the Gender Identity Consultant serving on a board that helps

(24:22):
make this determination so too is medical treatment including gender
reassignment surgery which taxpayers can be forced to pay for
do see officials are required to way inmates safety Again,
as well as the inmates' own views. This can also

(24:43):
include hormone therapy, psychiatric care. Now, how many transgender inmates
are actually in the Wisconsin prison system?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
But under the Prison Rape Elimination Act, or PREA, every
prison system needs to do a full audit of sexual
assault statistics.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So what we do.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Know is that the total number of self-identified transgender female persons,
that is, biological males who identify as female, it might
surprise you to learn that there aren't a whole lot
of women in the women's prison who are clamoring to
identify as males and get transferred to the men's prisons.

(25:34):
The total number as of this audit... was 188. Of those,
25 had been asked to be considered for transfer to
a women's facility. Three had been placed in a women's facility. Now,
the Heritage Foundation in 2022 made a public records request

(26:00):
for transgender inmates in the Department of Corrections care. The
response to that public information request, which of course didn't
come for a full year, which has been the standard
of the Evers administration, to hide information that they just
do not want getting out to the public. They delay, delay, delay,

(26:20):
delay for a full year. In March of 2023, the
Heritage Foundation on its website Daily Signal reported that the
number of trans-identifying biological males was 161. Here is where
things get real interesting. More than 50% of them, 81
of the 161 trans identifying inmates, 81, had been convicted

(26:42):
of sexual assault at least once.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
That percentage is.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Is so significantly above the general prison population that it
suggests that some or even most or even Nearly all
of the male inmates who identify as transgender are doing
so to have access to potential female victims in women's prisons. Now,

(27:17):
what is also very interesting is that it's not just
trans individuals who are victimizers in potential prison rapes. They
are also disproportionately the victims of sexual assault victims. by
fellow inmates. Once again, under PREA, this statute that looks
to crack down on prison rapes, the Justice Department's Bureau

(27:41):
of Justice Statistics found that approximately 40% of all inmates
who identify as transgender across the nation have been sexually
assaulted while in prison. That is a figure up to
10 times higher than prisoners in the general population, meaning
There is significant risk here to just allowing the sexual

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expression in a place with, by definition, the most dangerous
people in a given area.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Not only that we have.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Data from across the western world that shows that prisoners
are clearly abusing this idea that anybody can just change
their gender willy-nilly to get access to female inmates that
they can then potentially sexually assault in england and wales

(28:37):
ministry of justice figures show that between 50% and 62%
of all prisoners who are legally and biologically male but
identify as women have sexual offense convictions. The general prison
population that has sexual assault convictions, remember, 50% to 62%

(29:00):
of trans-identifying inmates. 50 to 62 percent. General population, 17 percent. Clearly,
there is something going on here. Federal research in Canada
found that nearly all gender diverse prisoners. That's the language
they use. Gender diverse prisoners with sexual offense histories committed

(29:25):
those crimes before identifying as transgender. And most victims were female.
Researchers who have examined the Canadian and UK data say
the offending profile of this group more closely tracks male
crime patterns than female ones. What that means is that

(29:47):
the victimizers, the criminals, the sexual assault convicts, they're still
committing male crimes, right? They're not actually women victims. They
are still hardened rapists who, if given the chance, will
rape again behind bars.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Not only that, we have.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Multiple documented instances just in the past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Canadian government acknowledging.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
That at least two trans identified male inmates faced sexual
assault charges after they were moved into women's prisons california
biological male housed in a women's prison named it remain
dion carol was charged with forcible rape of a fellow
inmate in maine multiple female inmates came forward to allege

(30:36):
sexual harassment and unwanted sexual contact by a transferred male
inmate who identified as transgender. This is not just an
example of government waste, ladies and gentlemen. This is an
honest-to-God scandal in which your taxpayer money, to the.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Tune of $ 1.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
1 million plus, is going to a researcher, is going
to a consultant who is helping to get biological males,
admittedly a very small number now. but a group that
includes very obviously a significant percentage of sexual assault convicts,

(31:19):
of rapists, of people who would be very likely to
victimize an incredibly vulnerable population.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's not like these.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Women can really go anywhere to get away from the
biological males suddenly thrown in with them who are looking
to rape them. This is a safety issue. This is
an honest to God scandal. Once again, the Department of
Corrections has refused to answer my questions. I started researching

(31:49):
this story early last week. I put out a request
for comment, I believe, last Tuesday. It has been nearly
a week and the Department of Corrections has nothing to
say about why it needs to contract with a researcher
from Maine. Nobody from Wisconsin. Nobody that is already on

(32:09):
staff is, say, a psychologist. Why do we need someone
whose writings indicate that they are very likely to say, yes,
this inmate is transgender, yes, this inmate does need taxpayer-funded surgery,
and worst yet, this inmate does need to be.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Transferred to a women's facility.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
You can read this entire story, links to all of
our research on at the heartland post heartland post dot
com it is our new digital web initiative it is
an exclusive story we broke it there we break it
here on the dan o'donnell show and we will be
we are also going to get tom tiffany in his

(32:53):
own words if you missed it yesterday it was the
the best way i can do this story ladies and
gentlemen and and really convey the emotion and just what
is to just let tiffany talk his press conference was
truly remarkable yesterday afternoon i know a lot of people

(33:13):
were probably watching nfl football the bears can score fifty
nine points for goodness sakes the packers can't beat up
on the minnesota vikings and their backup quarterback although I
am a lot higher on Carson Wentz than most people,
probably because he led me to a fantasy football championship

(33:34):
back in like 2017. Interesting stat on him. He is
the only player in NFL history to start in six
consecutive seasons for six different teams. You talk about the
definition of a journeyman quarterback. The Packers made him look
like Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Or at the very.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Least, 2017 Carson Wentz, where he very nearly won the MVP.
It probably would have if he didn't get hurt and
it just destroyed his athleticism. He was sort of like
the NFL's Jabari Parker. more like an RG3. The athleticism
was just incredible. And then when he came back, he
just wasn't the same player, but he's been able to
make a very, very good career as obviously a very

(34:15):
capable backup for six different teams in the past six years.
He's had to start and he's played okay enough to
keep getting jobs as a backup quarterback in the five
o'clock hour. We will get into the Packers debacle, but
don't worry. Don't worry about, We are going to end
on an incredibly high note. If you missed it, a

(34:38):
102-year-old veteran singing God Bless America on 9-11 at the
Milwaukee Brewers game, if it does not give you chills
or move you to near tears, You need to check
your pulse, ladies and gentlemen. All that is coming up
here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. We are, however, breaking
a big story this hour. The Department of Corrections has

(35:01):
paid more than $ 1. 1 million to Cynthia S.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Osborne.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
She's a gender identity consultant. And she has apparently, for
the past 11 or 12 years.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
been working with a.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Team of psychologists at the DOC whenever an inmate says
that they're transgender. If you take a look at some
of her works, if you take a look at what
it is that she has been writing, it is very
clear over the last 10 years that she is somebody

(35:44):
who is leading the charge on getting male inmates to
women's prisons. She, along with a number of other authors,
2016 male prison inmates with gender dysphoria. When is sex
reassignment surgery appropriate? A group model for the treatment of

(36:05):
problematic internet related sexual behaviors. So she, When David Crowley's
tablets for inmates results in a transgender inmate sexting a
female prisoner or someone on the outside, you call in
Cynthia Osborne.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
$ 1.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
1 million isn't going necessarily just to Cynthia Osborne. And
I guess you have got to give her credit because
that she is able to make a lot of money
suckering governments into paying her $ 100, 000 per year.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Oh, I forgot about this. Johns Hopkins, where she taught
for many years.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Split gender identity, problem or solution, proposed parameters for addressing
the gender dysphoric patient. That is a lot of medical gobbledygook.
The abstract of that is basically, yeah, you should always
just sort of defer to them when they say that
they're transgender. Not only that, in a number of different

(37:14):
cases over the past 15 to 20 years, Cynthia Osborne
has been the expert witness so that convicted killers, in
one case in Massachusetts, a man who killed his wife,
was allowed to get sex reassignment surgery based in part,
at least, on Cynthia Osborne's testimony. This was a very

(37:38):
prominent federal case in the past 15 years. All right,
we're going to step aside for a break here on
the Dan O'Donnell Show.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Here we go. Here's another.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I forgot about this. Her curriculum vitae is just all
over the place. You've got to sort of piece it together.
Tom Tiffany's emergency landing. He is going to be a
guest and I believe do an extended interview with Sean
Hannity tonight after his plane went down in Lake Wausau.
Hear Tom in his own words. And we're going to

(38:10):
play an extended segment from this press conference because it's
just it's so important to hear in the man's own words,
because I am willing to wager, ladies and gentlemen. that very,
very shortly, you are not going to hear about this
story at all.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Why?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well, we'll get to that in just a second. You
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Time now for the Daily Trump Date. Each and every
day at 4 p.m. as you're getting home from work,
we try to recap what was going on in President

(39:12):
Trump's Washington. And it was a big day for both
fraud and AI at the White House. Well, technically, the
vice president was in Kansas City holding a speech. federal
fraud task force press conference at the fbi facility there
he was joined by the attorney General Todd Blanch, Director
of the FBI Kash Patel, the SBA Administrator Kelly Loeffler,

(39:36):
announcing new charges tied to COVID-era loan programs such as
PPP and related emergency loans. Officials claimed two hundred forty
five million dollars in identified federal loan fraud involving more

(39:57):
than a hundred sixty defendants eighty people have already been
charged And as Vance announced today, the SBA has suspended
hundreds of thousands of them from ever being able to
access government money again.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Under the leadership of Kelly Loeffler, who, by the way,
has been an amazing advocate for the American people, has
probably been the most zealous anti-fraud person in the entire administration.
We are going to suspend 870,000 people permanently, people who
defrauded the government over the last couple of years, the
last couple of decades. We're going to make it impossible

(40:35):
for them to get loans from.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
The federal government.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Vice President Vance said, if you screwed the American taxpayer,
the federal government is now going to say you're cut
off forever.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
No more.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
It is a brand new policy change. Now, why wasn't
this implemented in four years under the Biden administration? Well,
because there was a certain amount of tolerance, Vance said.
He said it was an open secret in the Biden
administration amongst Biden era officials that they knew. that a

(41:12):
lot of people thousands tens of thousands hundreds of thousands
possibly in the millions were skimming off the top but
nobody ever wanted to do anything about it until the
fraud task force was formed and is now looking into
those who turned a blind eye as well as the
fraudsters themselves because as Vice President Vance put it today

(41:34):
it is just as much about restoring taxpayer confidence as
it is about making sure that the bad guys are
going to prison and that as much of the money
that was defrauded from taxpayers is recouped the big story
today President Trump coming out hard against calls to slow

(41:55):
down or over-regulate artificial intelligence Anthropix CEO following a former
employee who quit saying that, well, this is just too dangerous.
We're going to be complicit in our own destruction. I
can't be a part of this. I can't be somebody

(42:15):
who is going to make the weapons of mass destruction
that actually do destroy humanity. Well, President Trump said this
is a hoax that the fears about the AI taking
over the world or going rogue. These are like the
people who were screaming Russia, Russia, Russia, or more accurately

(42:40):
are the ones who were screaming about climate change quote.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
From truth social today.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
The people that say AI is going to destroy the
world and that data centers are bad for your neighborhood
are are the same people that said just a short
time ago that the world would be extinguished by climate
change the hoax never worked out for them and now
they're on to the next one these people are revolutionaries

(43:08):
but revolutionaries for a bad and evil cause soon you'll
find out they're working for people that do not have
the best interests of the united states in mind signed
President Donald J. Trump. Now, who do you suppose he
was talking about? Well, it's pretty obvious. There has been

(43:28):
a concerted campaign. It is believed through back channels. by
agents of the Chinese government to try to get the
American people so dead set against AI that China is
actually able to close the substantial gap that the United
States has on it and the rest of the world
in AI system development. The idea is if you can

(43:51):
prevent data centers from going up anywhere or anywhere, everywhere
in the United States, which would be the ideal, there
isn't going to be the raw computing power known as
the compute needed to fuel what is going to be
a very potent tool and, yes, potentially a very important

(44:14):
weapon in the wars of tomorrow that are already being
fought today. Now, President Trump also said that there is
no need for guardrails or any sort of overregulation of
AI as only the president can. Here's another Truth Social
post from earlier today. The only control or guardrails that

(44:37):
AI needs is a strong and smart, high IQ president.
That was all caps. I believe he's referring to himself.
And the USA has that in spades. Yes, he was
referring to himself in all caps as strong and smart.
The Trump administration has stopped AI people from doing bad
or potentially bad things like Dario Anthropic. That would be

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the CEO of Anthropic, Dario Amadei. I've never actually heard
his name pronounced, although I've been reading about him for
like the past four years, who is now pretending to be.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
A perfect little angel. And we will continue to do so.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
We already have tremendous criminal and regulatory power over these companies.
There is a sick conspiracy going on against AI and
data centers. And the only one that is happy about
it is China. Whoever wins AI wins. We are leading
China and all others and will continue to do so.

(45:35):
Conspiracy theorists, treasonists, traitors, and leakers beware. How do you
suppose he signed that tweet? Excuse me, truth. Thank you
for your attention to this matter. President Donald J.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Trump.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Should we do another truth social post? There is a
lot to unpack here and folks, you need to know that.
the best possible information. Concerning AI, this was the post
that sort of started this day-long bender. Concerning AI, when
in the history of business did anyone see the leaders

(46:15):
of an industry call for regulation that if strongly implemented
will drive them into oblivion and bankruptcy? That is a
very potent question. And the only one that you should
be asking yourself right now, Musk, disappointingly enough, who has
been one of the biggest cheerleaders for AI, was joining

(46:39):
the chorus of anthropic CEO and former. And by the way,
pretty much every liberal Democrat, Barack Obama was out there.
Once again, we have disappointed Barack Obama. We as Americans,
we don't have strong enough AI regulations. So he's saying
we need to lobby for stronger AI regulations. Why are

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the developers of AI demanding stronger regulation? Here's what I think, actually.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
It's because either.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
They are concerned about not the planet ending. See, everybody
is so influenced by what they see on TV, what
they see. We are beyond influenced by pop culture. The
clearest aspect of that, watching the Lindsay Clancy trial, and
we've got an update on that, the jurors just need

(47:34):
to shut their dumb lib feminist mouths because holy cow,
are they making a whole lot of people, including me.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Lose faith in the jury system.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Watching that Lindsay Clancy trial and seeing people who don't
have a background in law, what they think the law is,
what they think a trial should look like, just get
it completely wrong because they're influenced by what they see
on television, what they see in the movies. I'm going
to date myself. When I was a kid, I watched

(48:06):
The Firm.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
The Pelican Brief. The Devil's Advocate. Was that the one?
Al Pacino played the devil. Keanu Reeves was like the
southern lawyer. Today, I don't even know. Do they still
do legal? Do they do any movies that aren't Christopher
Nolan epics, Dune movies or Marvel superhero movies? Because I

(48:28):
am not aware of any or horror movies that a
24 the film studio can do for like five million
bucks and they gross a half a billion. with just
teenagers going over and over. Oh, is it Obsession was
the big one this summer, and the other one, something
about the rooms? Whatever it was. My kids, I think

(48:49):
my two sons saw each of those movies at least
three times.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Both were made for.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
A total of about $ 10 million, and that almost includes
marketing costs. But I digress. We are influenced by the
pop culture we consume. What does everybody talk about? Everybody
will reference the exact two doomsday scenarios when it comes
to AI. My producer, Doug Russell, did an excellent job

(49:17):
on the season opening Green Bay. Packers preview show yesterday afternoon.
It was all downhill from there, really. It was Doug's show.
First half, Packers looked pretty good, OK. And then just
we won't talk about the rest of that game. Doug,
what is one of the two nightmare scenarios that everybody
talks about with AI destroying the world? Okay, the water

(49:42):
and the power, that's like more the environmental concern. I'm
talking about enslaving humanity, right? They're going to turn... Yes,
the robots are going to come to kill. There is
going to be an autonomous robot, like what movie? The Terminator.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Or the robots are.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Going to enslave us all, and they are going to
either eliminate all of us, like in Terminator, or they're
going to use us to power their AI systems. They're
going to enslave us somehow. That's the Matrix. This goes
to show how insanely influential those movies are. Even, what,
a quarter century, 27 years ago, I believe The Matrix

(50:18):
came out in 1999. First Terminator movie came out in
like 1984. T2, Judgment Day was the big.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
One. 1991, 1992, somewhere in there.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
These movies stick with people. And people, as a result,
get the threat of AI completely wrong. So, Why is it, though,
that these CEOs are saying, yes, regulate our industry? Because, one,
there is something that they have seen that isn't quite

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working right, and they are very concerned about liability for it.
Not that the AI is going to simultaneously launch all
of the world's nukes because someone gave it a prompt
to clean up the environment. And it takes that literally
and destroys all human life so that we go back
to the primitive style of living that libs apparently want

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us to.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
So we're not polluting as they just kill all of you.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It's not something like it.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
It is something for which the companies will be legally liable.
One of the biggest problems with AI, I call it
the self-driving car problem. Do you think we can have
self-driving cars everywhere and everywhere? anywhere in the united states
right now and we would be totally safe most people
don't because again you have this idea that what was

(51:41):
it minority report was another very very influential film about
twenty five years ago tom cruise Colin Farrell was also
in about precogs, the pre-crime where they have psychics who
they basically keep as sort of like matrix-like slaves in
this little lab and they can see the future and
people are arrested.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
It's actually a wonderful– I believe it was based off
a Philip K. Dick novel.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
But– You had this very realistic look at what the
future would look like. And the self-driving car, I believe
at one point when Tom Cruise himself, he plays the
cop who heads the pre-crime division, when he's accused of
a pre-crime, a pre-murder, that he is going to kill somebody,
but he hasn't yet. And he's going to be taken

(52:26):
to prison. The car just sort of locks him in
and takes him right to the prison. People are worried
that that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
It's not. At least I hope not.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
The more realistic situation is that everything works just fine
until a human driver crashes into or an unpredictable human
moment or gesture movement on the road. Someone just rams
into an AI car.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Someone is killed.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
What happens with liability when driver error in the Tesla
self-driving car is not even a factor? The driver of
the Tesla is asleep in the backseat. Tesla could right
now flip a switch on every single car currently on
the road that does supervised full-service driving. Yeah, full self-driving,

(53:19):
excuse me, full-service driving, full self-driving, FSD. You have to
be supervised. You have to have your hands on the wheel.
You have to have your eyes looking forward so potentially
you can react to And it's not that the machine
will take you into the pond. Like there was an
old episode of The Office where Michael is using a
Garmin device like 20 years ago, one of the first

(53:42):
Garmin devices. It's like telling him to go and he thinks, oh,
my gosh, we're going to go right. And he drives
right into a lake.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
No, that's that's.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Not going to happen what's going to happen is a
human driver is going to do something so random and
so spontaneous and quick that an ai can't the cameras
can't pick up quick enough the machine can't react quick
enough someone.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Dies You can theoretically, if a lawyer can.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Demonstrate that the AI didn't move quick enough, the camera
didn't pick it up quick enough, that is liability that
could go into the hundreds of millions. We don't have
liability caps on this because it's a new form of law.
How can you possibly get a volume of case law

(54:30):
for a technology that hasn't even been fully implemented? So
the thinking is that what the tech companies are terrified
of is something in the AI will be impacted by
a human or be used by a human much more
likely for something that they can be held as a
company liable for. So they need significant groundwork. They need

(54:54):
significant regulation to protect them. Now, Why would a big
company want more regulation? Is Trump actually right that a
company would want itself regulated into oblivion?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
The thinking is the big boys in the AI game.
want upstarts regulated into oblivion.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I'll explain.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Do you really think that Elon Musk, who runs what
I believe is the best AI for note-taking, for summarizing,
for doing research, it will still make the occasional mistake?
For example, I cannot convince Grok, no matter how many
times I tell it, that tony evers was not term

(55:47):
limited he was able to run for a third term
as governor here in wisconsin but shows not to last
summer grok constantly tells me tony evers who was term
limited after two terms of no grok no stop bad
grok we're pretty far afield from grok taking over the

(56:08):
world when it doesn't even know that tony evers wasn't
term limited but Do we really think that Elon Musk,
richest man in the world, his companies are worth untold
trillions of dollars? And Anthropic's CEO, Anthropic, by the way,

(56:30):
has Claude, which is widely considered to be the most
advanced generative AI company. It is thought to be, you
know what, I won't even get into the difference between LLMs,
large language models, and actual generative AI. Basically, the Cliff
Notes version is that people who know such things believe
that Claude is actually thinking the way that a human

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being would, and it is actually generating instead of a
large language model, which is basically just looking at patterns
in language called from why it's called a large language model.
It's cold from as much of the internet. as the
trainers can get the AI access to in order to
predict what is likely to be the next letter in

(57:17):
the sequence. It's essentially just decoding human language to form
what human beings would identify as answers. But ChatGPT, Grok,
they aren't necessarily doing any real thinking. So while they
might technically pass a Turing test, do they have any
level of what we would call.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Consciousness or thought. These are all very high-minded things.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Anthropic and X and ChatGPT and Google Gemini, these are
the biggest companies on earth. Really think, why would they
want to make the regulatory burden so strong and the
regulatory hurdle so high to leap over and that nobody

(58:07):
else would be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Ah, to prevent competition. Well, Dan, you're sick.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
How exactly could somebody compete with Google or Anthropic on AI?
Here's where AI gets really revolutionary. And here's where it
is potentially going to be a very destructive force. AI agents,
which are essentially mini AI systems created by other AI systems,

(58:39):
fully coded by machines with minimal input from human beings
and sometimes no input from human beings, can actually develop
other major generative AIs potentially very quickly. A generative AI
system is Big enough, wide enough, strong enough, powerful enough,

(59:02):
and usable enough to compete with Kroc, to compete with Claude,
to compete with GP.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
And to compete with Gemini.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
What would be the one way, say some kid in
a dorm room right now operating on $ 50, 000 worth of
computing power with the highest tier subscription to Anthropix Claude,
what would stop him or her from potentially competing with
the masters of AI?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Ah, you get it now. Government.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Who do you think would be really, really happy... If
we only had four choices in AI and we as
Americans didn't use this tool to its fullest potential and
essentially democratizing the single biggest leap forward, possibly for humanity

(01:00:01):
since the Industrial Revolution, you'd better believe it. China. What
is China terrified of? What does China have that we
do not? Why is China such an economic powerhouse? They
have hundreds of millions of people that they can essentially

(01:00:21):
deploy as slave labor to manufacture anything. What happens if
the Americans use their AIs and use their massive lead
in robotics to to make factories, which this guy Trump
has spent his entire second term bringing back to America.

(01:00:45):
What if those factories are making products for Americans that
Chinese human slave labor currently makes? What if the robots
and the AIs start making those? What if when President
Trump talks about reshoring manufacturing, And the Democrats say, well,
you're going to need to import a brand new class

(01:01:07):
of laborers in order to fill those factories. So we
need to dramatically increase our illegal immigrant population. We need
to dramatically increase our green card population, our H-1B visa population.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
What if we don't? What if.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Under a truly democratized A.I.? a new economy that is
open to everyone. What if I told you it's entirely
possible that we may see, not within the next decade,
not within the next five years, but within the next
year to two years, the very first company to reach

(01:01:44):
a billion-dollar valuation or even a trillion-dollar valuation that has
exactly one human working for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
It, entirely powered by artificial intelligence?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
This has the potential to make anybody equal to some
of the biggest companies on earth, depending on what field.
You're never going to be able to top Nike because
you're not going to be able to make as many
shoes and luxury brands or athletic brands as Nike can.

(01:02:20):
But if, let's say, you are, I don't know, someone
who knows a little something about accounting, and you have
a fully AI system that does business accounting, can put
people's tax returns together far better, far quicker, and generate

(01:02:40):
bigger refunds and a better product than human beings, who's
to say you can't take out the biggest accounting firms
on earth? And who's to say you can't do it
from your living room? Now, who would be opposed to that?
Probably the big accounting firms. How would they want to
keep you out of the game? Over-regulating you. They can

(01:03:03):
deal with the regulatory burden. They can pay all the
associated costs. They can pay the fines if their AI
does something that the government doesn't like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Can you? Of course not. And that is what this
is really all about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
We get to Tom Tiffany recounting his harrowing escape, cheating
death in Lake Wausau after a You know what, we're
calling it an emergency landing. Do you think that's more
properly termed a crash? Sure sounds like when your pilot says, hey,
brace for impact in 10 seconds, and 10 seconds later
you're in the water. It's not an emergency landing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That's a crash.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
We'll get into all of that when the Dan O'Donnell
Show comes back. It is not altruistic. They are not
trying to protect you from the Frankenstein's monster they have created.
All of this, yes, government, please come regulate us, is

(01:04:04):
all about freezing out competition because now there is the
potential for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
A kid in a college dorm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
The last time a kid in a college dorm created
something that just totally upended the entire world, it was Facebook.
Imagine Facebook with zero employees. That's actually a big one.
That could be supplanted. Social media could absolutely be supplanted. TikTok,
whatever user-generated content can absolutely be completely run by machines.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
You'd never know the difference. When's the last.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Time you lodged a complaint to Facebook or X or TikTok?
When's the last time you talked to a human being
at YouTube, for example? You have YouTube help, support. May
God have mercy on your soul because you are not
talking to a human. All of the engineering, all of
the coding, all of the backend, all of the front end,

(01:04:58):
all of the content moderation, that can all be done
by machine. There is no way that someone would be
able to do that with a small company if they
don't have the requisite capital to deal with massive regulatory costs.
If the regulatory costs are something that only the Googles,

(01:05:18):
the Microsofts, the SpaceX slash Teslas and anthropics of the
world can pay, well, then they essentially are using regulation
to create their own cartels. They're competing with each other, yes, sure,
but they're also theoretically joining together to freeze out competition.
It's a fascinating, fascinating debate. All right, Tom Tiffany yesterday,

(01:05:43):
a press conference that you just absolutely need to hear.
He opened it up by thanking everyone for their support
and a great joke about his mother-in-law reminding him not
to swim after dark.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
I appreciate all the kind words and messages that I've
received over the last... 12 hours or so. The most
interesting one I received was from my mother-in-law when she
called this morning and she said, weren't you taught to
not go swimming after dark? I appreciate her lending a

(01:06:19):
little bit of humor to this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
And Tiffany said during that press conference that he and
his pilot Len Bolt, who was also pulled from Lake
Wausau and appears to be the hero in this bolts
after the plane lost power. And it's still under, if
we have no idea why that plane lost power, it's,
it's one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
I personally, I am scared to death of single engine,
twin engine planes for that exact reason. I just, maybe
it's my claustrophobia. I have no problem with heights. I
have no problem with flying. helicopters, small planes. I just,
I get the willies because you hear about them crashing
all the time. Bolts, when the plane lost power, had

(01:07:04):
the presence of mind, not only to be able to
take it down into a lake, which had to have
been tough to see because it was nighttime. He also
pulled up his landing gear very, very quickly. so that
the plane didn't hit the water and immediately flip over
and probably kill both of them. As the plane just

(01:07:24):
flips over and over and over, they either die because
they hit their head on something or they're submerged upside down,
unconscious in the water, and they drown. I mean, it
seems like this pilot, who is also the Langlade County
Republican Party chair, he is also a very controversial figure.
In Republican Party circles, he was accused of what essentially

(01:07:47):
amounts to, well, money laundering as a part of the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Robin Voss recall effort.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
But in that moment, regardless of anything and everything, regardless of,
oh my gosh, he did the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
He acted heroically.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
And I think everyone in America should be lauding his
quick thinking and incredible skill as a pilot that saved
himself and saved Tom Tiffany's life. So here is Tiffany,
in his own words, start to finish, explaining what happened
on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
So I started the morning in Platteville, went to the
Platteville Dairy Days. We had a great parade down there,
and then we worked our way up to La Crosse,
made a number of stops on our way to La Crosse,
and we finished out the day at the La Crosse
Lincoln Day Dinner. And then I went to the airport
in La Crosse and caught a flight with Len Boltz,

(01:08:41):
a private pilot. And he flew me from La Crosse
here to Wausau, smooth flight. As we went to our
final approach, the plane lost power. And Len said to me,
we are going down. pull your seatbelt tight and that's

(01:09:04):
exactly what I did I gave it a yank and
pulled it good and tight and it was probably about
10 seconds later not sure the exact timing but probably
about 10 seconds later we hit the water and after
the plane settled probably a couple seconds. We looked at
each other, are you okay? And he said to me,

(01:09:25):
are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, doing fine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Open the door.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
For those of you familiar with these planes, like the
Bonanza that we were flying in, You get in on
the passenger side door, which is where I was sitting.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
And I said to Len, open this door. Let's get
out of here. He did. And we proceeded to get
out of the plane and once again checked on each
other to make sure we were okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
I was searching around in the cockpit through that period
of time trying to find my phone. And was not
able to find it. And I said, Len, do you
have your phone? And he had his phone in his hand.
And I said, call 911. He said, that's exactly what
I'm doing. And he called 911 to these good folks
behind me. we got a response from.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
911 right away, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Len told them what had happened, that we had ditched
in Lake Wausau, and we were basically in the middle
of the lake, and he asked for assistance.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
And they responded almost immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Within a couple minutes, you could see sirens and lights
circling Lake Wausau, And we stayed on top of the plane.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
The plane was slowly submerging.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
But we just stayed on top of the plane. Len
was standing on one of the wings. I went to
the back of the plane. If you're familiar with the Bonanza,
it has a V-shaped tail. And I just stayed back there.
And we talked about what we should do. And we
talked about swimming to the shoreline. And I would guess
it was probably about 10 minutes that we were on

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top of the plane. And as it was steadily submerging,
we finally decided that we should probably leave the plane.
And so we began to swim towards the airport to
the east. And we made it, I'm guessing, about 100 feet,
maybe 150 feet. And at that point, my feet touched
ground completely. Turns out there was a high spot in

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the lake right there. It was about five feet deep.
And so I said to Len, let's just stay right
here until help can come because we.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Could see the sirens.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
We could see that people were responding to our situation.
And we probably waited there, I don't know, five minutes
or so. It seemed longer than that, but it was
probably like five minutes, something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
And then the boats came to us. There were two
boats that....

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Came to our location, they found us, and they hauled
us in the boats and took us away to the
ambulances and then, of course, took us to the hospital
where we received good care from the Aspirus doctors and nurses.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
And all their personnel there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
From there, Tiffany described the injuries that both he and
Len suffered.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
At that point, he got very emotional.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
He had four stitches, I believe, in one of his wounds.
That was the extent of his injuries. I have 12
stitches up in my eyebrow, but other than that, just
a few scratches.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
We are just really fortunate. We're really fortunate that God
is looking after us. last night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
And we're also really fortunate that the first responders, those
behind me, the fire department, the sheriff's department, as well
as the city of Wausau police, for their quick response,
we're really fortunate for what they did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Now that sounds pretty doggone impressive, right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I mean, just Wow, what a harrowing story.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Not for a Journal Sentinel Politico reporter. We'll get to
that when the Dan O'Keefe's best Tom Tiffany's press conference
from yesterday in which he explained exactly what happened. Just
a very good blow-by-blow account of his plane making an
emergency landing, really crashing down. into Lake Wausau on Saturday night.

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He and the pilot, Len Boltz, escaped with very minor injuries.
But it sounded like a very impressive thing, right? It
seemed like a very, wow. Well, not to the Journal
Sentinel's politics reporter, Hope Carnop. She tweets out, Before the

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press conference, but after news is widely disseminated of the
harrowing rescue and the near-death experience of Tom Tiffany, here's
the map from Marathon County Sheriff's Office that shows approximate
location of the emergency landing involving Tom Tiffany. According to
the Wisconsin DNR, the maximum depth of Lake Wausau is
only 30 feet.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
And the mean depth is 7 feet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Only 30 feet sure sounds like she's trying to minimize that. Well,
Joe Hendrick, the very good Republican data guy, responds to
her in her mentions. Why did you insert the word only?
Carnop replies, to explain the gravity of this situation, 30 feet.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Doesn't seem like much to me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Hope Carnop.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Is the politics reporter. What are the politics reporters for
the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel? Now, I have said for about
a year now, really since we got going with this
gubernatorial slash midterm election cycle here in Wisconsin, that we
have some of the very, very best political reporters on

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television in the city of Milwaukee that you will find anywhere.
I find Matt Smith to be very, very good. He's
the political director over at Channel 12. I think A.J.
Byatt-Poor is very good at CBS 58. Jason Calvey at
Fox 6. Charles Benson I've known forever at Channel 4.

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As good and as fair as those four guys are,
the politics reporting at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is about
as hackish and as left-wing propagandist as it gets. And Hope, unfortunately,
is one of the worst offenders. After word got out

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that Tom Tiffany and Len Beltz– Beltz, Boltz?

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
I've been going with Boltz.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
His pilot, Len, 73-year-old guy, Langlade County Republican Party chairman,
who was flying Tiffany around. They were looking to get
into the marathon– or excuse me, the Wausau Airport.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
They go down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
They have to make a water landing. It seems much
more like a crash. When the pilot tells you, brace
for impact, and 10 minutes later, you are in the water?
10 minutes, 10 seconds later, you are in the water?

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
That sounds like a pretty big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Well, to Hope, it wasn't, because she pulls out the
map from the Marathon County Sheriff's Office in a now-deleted
tweet after.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
I picked up on this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
A number of our writers, opinion writers over at Heartland
Post picked up on this and said, hey, wait a second.
What are you trying to say here? She deleted the
tweet as it was just starting to go viral across
the entire country. She writes, here is the map from
Marathon County Sheriff's Office that shows approximate location of the

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emergency landing involving Tom Tiffany. According to Wisconsin DNR, the
maximum depth of Lake Wausau is only 30 feet and
the mean depth is seven feet. Now, Hope attempted to
explain this after deleting that and also another tweet that

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I'll get to in a second. by saying, look, I
posted tweets that were misunderstood. I was attempting to point
out that the depth of the lake could have caused
the plane to hit rocks, creating an even more dangerous situation.
I did not mean to imply the depth made the
landing less serious. It was the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
That's her excuse. She's sticking to it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
However, in a response to the original deleted tweet. She writes,
as Joe Hendrick, who we cite often here on the
Dan O'Donnell Show, he is the best Republican numbers guy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
In the entire state.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
I mean, he is the data guru that pretty much
every Republican relies upon. He writes what a lot of
people are thinking who saw this tweet. Why did you
insert the word only, Hope?

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
She writes....

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
To explain the gravity of this situation, 30 feet doesn't
seem like much to me. Now, I'm trying to be
as charitable as I possibly can here. Much more charitable
than Hope Carnop or any Milwaukee Journal Sentinel political reporter

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would ever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Or has ever been with me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
I am really struggling to find an interpretation of that
tweet that jibes with what her stated explanation was. That, well,
it was because I was saying that the plane could
have hit rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
It just doesn't seem that big.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
30 feet doesn't seem like much to me. I'm not
going to try to get inside her head, but if
she was really trying to say to someone that she
knew or reasonably could have been expected to know is

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a longtime Republican Party operative. Handrick is very well known
in political circles. You may not know who he is.
Trust me, a whole lot of Republican politicos know who
he is. Whole lot of journalists know who he is.
At Joe Minocqua, by the way, if you would like
the best data-driven Wisconsin political account in Wisconsin. If she

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was trying to reply to a Republican who is asking
her rather accusatorily, and that's no diss to Joe, because
you should ask that question accusatorily, it was a terrible tweet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Why did you insert the word only?

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
If you're trying to explain that what you really meant was, well,
I'm saying that it was only 30 feet because the
plane could have hit rocks, it could have hit the bottom,
it could have been very, very bad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I'm not minimizing it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
She doubles down in the follow-up tweet and says, well,
I wanted to explain.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
The gravity of this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
30 feet doesn't seem like much to me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
In other words, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
That impressive because Tom Tiffany only had to swim a
couple hundred feet in 30 feet of water with a
mean depth of seven feet. This, by the way, if
anybody at the Milwaukee Journal said, if the editors, if

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the political reporters, if Hope herself said, is wondering why
people like me and everybody who has been pointing out
what a horrible series of tweets that was and how
she was very obviously attempting to minimize that. This is
exhibit A as to why nobody trusts the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
This is exhibit A.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
This was a moment where the entire, everything should have been,
holy cow, man, I am so glad Tom Tiffany is okay.
If this was David Crowley, every Republican in the world
would have, oh my goodness, that's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
The proper reaction.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
And I'm not saying, oh, you have to have the
same reaction, but the normal human reaction is, if you
are not so thoroughly biased against Tiffany and all Republicans, is,
oh my God, what.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
An incredible story.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Hey, look, here is the sheriff's office map of Lake Wausau.
They were in 30 feet of water, might have been
7 feet. Oh my goodness, it's not that shallow. The
plane could have crashed. This is incredible. She's clearly trying
to minimize it. Why is she doing that? Why is
she the morning of? Now, this is not just some

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rando on X. This is not just some, even if
it was, who is the prepubescent chairman of the Democratic Party?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I always forget his name. Devin Remeker. Devin Remeker.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
If this was Devin Remeker, I'd say, okay, well, he's
a political hack. He's going to try to minimize it.
What a piece of crap he is.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
This is somebody who literally her job is to set
the narrative and essentially influence through, what do they say?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Journalists write the first draft of history.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Hope Carnop was attempting to write the first draft of
the history of the Tom Tiffany plane crash by saying
it wasn't that big. It's not that big of a deal.
We can just move on because the plane went down
and it wasn't that deep. This was the depth of
the Hudson River. Is Sully less of a hero? Should

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he not have had the Tom Hanks movie? Because it
was only 30 feet of pretty damn heroic to me.
I remember watching that thing live. Clearly, there was an
attempt to minimize it. And it would be one thing
if she just lets it go. All right, you delete

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the tweet. It's a bad tweet. Trust me when I say,
ladies and gentlemen, I know from bad tweets.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
She then clearly lied about what her intention was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Revealing her not only to be somebody who is going
to be dishonest about what her intentions are to try
to save her own skin because she was just getting Hillary.
There's an old saying on X back when it was
Twitter that every day there is a main character of
Twitter and your job is to never, ever, ever be it.

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She was the main character on Twitter yesterday because of
just how insanely egregious what she wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
What she tried to get out of it. I say, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
You all misinterpreted what I very obviously said.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
She lied about that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
She attempted to control the narrative through dishonesty about her
own bad tweet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
What does that say about her?

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
And what does that say by extension about the Milwaukee
Journal Sentinel's political coverage when there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Is open dishonesty?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
About an attempt to spin an event involving a Republican
to make it seem like not as big a deal,
not as heroic, not as death-defying as it was, to
create the permission for the rest of the media to
just sort of move on. And it would not shock me,
ladies and gentlemen, if this story is done, if it

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is never mentioned again. They call it going down the
memory hole because it makes Tom Tiffany seem sympathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
It makes him like seem like a real person.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
It makes you want to sort of give him a
hug as he's breaking down at his press conference. Well,
saying admitting, hey, guys, I'm sorry. This this was not
like political stagecraft. This was not, you know, some suave
Gavin Newsom or who's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
A smooth operator on the right. Who's a smooth advance? That's.
I love J.D.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Vance, but Tom Tiffany, and I mean this with all
respect to Tom, is not nearly smooth enough to turn
on the waterworks as he just midway through a press
conference said, you know what, folks, I'm sorry, I think
it's finally hitting me now what happened as he was
talking about it, because it's probably the first time He's

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talking about, and he's just, he goes start to finish
through the entire thing. I'm sure he said he and
Len are sitting, actually, they're both kind of telling the
story to first responders. They're telling the story to family members.
This is the first time, start to finish, and he's
really got a chance and really has to think about it.
Because you're at a press conference, you want to choose
your words carefully. He finally processes, and he breaks dice.

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You know, it just, all that emotion, everything comes welling up.
That made Tom Tiffany a very likable human being. I'm
not going to be so crass as to get into, oh,
how's the plane crash polling? Is this good for Tom Tiffany? No,
I'm not even, that's not what I'm saying. But someone
like Carnop, who clearly revealed herself to be on the

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other team.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
We can't let that happen. It was only 30 feet, people.
It wasn't that big. They weren't going to die. They
weren't going to drown in that lake.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
They could have just walked up to the sandbar. She
was attempting to shift the narrative. through dishonesty. Frankly, folks,
for someone in the news business, for someone who does journalism,

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pretends to be objective.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Look, I do investigative reporting. I do journalism.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
I say conservative thought, not just talk like five times
a show minimum.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
If you don't know what my.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Biases are, you aren't paying attention. I am an opinion journalist.
I am paid to give my opinion like I have
been doing for the last 15 minutes now on Hope Carnop.
Can we just rip the bandaid off of this notion
of that Carnop and Molly Beck and before her, Patrick Marley,

(01:29:23):
now at the Washington Post.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I'm trying to think who that was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
God, Drake Bentley, who is there, and now is working
for the left-wing organization. At least he was working for
the left-wing organization. He's at the Milwaukee Courier now, which
is a far-left newspaper in Milwaukee. Good enough reporter. I'm
actually a fan of his work, but he is an
apologetic leftist. At least he admits it, kind of. But

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when when you are still holding yourself out there as
just the objective observer of fact, but are proven to
be dishonest. In your framing of those facts in order
to set a narrative that is deliberately harmful to one
political candidate, one political party, one political side.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Man. Don't come.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Don't go crying when people start noticing and say, hey.
maybe you really aren't cut out to be an objective
reporter and maybe a news organization that tolerates that level
of dishonesty and narrative crafting on one of the biggest
stories of this year from one of its reporters. Maybe

(01:30:37):
you shouldn't trust that organization to deliver you straight news.
You're listening to the Dan O'Donnell show.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Hey, I'll say it again. Conservative.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
I'd say about 10 minutes or so. We are going
to get into the thing that I've been trying to
avoid all show. I know producer Doug is going to
thank me for this. We're going to talk about the
Green Bay Packers game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Don't worry, though.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
We'll get you back in a good mood because we
are going to play for you. Something that if you
haven't heard it, you absolutely have to. A 102-year-old Navy
veteran singing God Bless America during the seventh inning stretch
at Friday night's Brewers game against the Reds. That game
that they won 20 to nothing, by the way. On

(01:31:32):
the anniversary of 9-11, it was, you just have to
hear it to believe it. And the crowd's reaction was
just fantastic. So we're going to end the show with that.
And yes, we're going to get into yet another inexplicable,
awful Green Bay Packers loss that is coming up. A

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truly shocking development today. the Kenosha County District Attorney, the
first Republican DA of Kenosha, if you can believe this,
in a century, had his law license suspended. Xavier Solis
had his license suspended for apparently failing to cooperate with

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a state investigation into alleged professional misconduct. This, according to
a memo from the Office of Lawyer Regulation, or O
L R. It took effect immediately today. Memo came out
this morning after Solis quote, willfully failed to cooperate with

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one or more O L R investigations into alleged misconduct.
The memo didn't specify what the underlying allegations are. The
deputy district attorney, Rosa Delgado, is going to serve as
acting district attorney and is going to manage Solis' caseload.
Delgado said staff have already asked the OLR for guidance.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
What do we do here?

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Believe it or not, there are some positions in Wisconsin
law where you don't need to be a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
I believe municipal judge is one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Correct me if I'm wrong on that one because I
suddenly got it in my head that that might be wrong.
You do actually have to be– now, district attorney is
an elected position. And sometimes with elected attorney positions, some
states will say, all right, well, the people say we
want you to– district attorney, you are expected to try cases.
In order to try cases, you have to be a

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member of the Wisconsin State Bar. You have to be
a lawyer in good standing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
In the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
So what does this mean for the Kenosha County DA?
There was a big controversy involving Solis back in February.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
He used in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
A brief before a judge in Kenosha County, a brief,
he used AI tools that basically hallucinated some of the citations.
This is something, by the way, teachers at every level,
high school, college, middle school, they're already dealing with this.
AI just writing the paper, AI assisting with the research.

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Lawyers and judges are going to have to deal with
this too. AI assisting with the research on the briefs,
assisting with the citations. Well, that's kind of a big
deal when it comes to a legal document because of
the ramification, because of the implication, because of the, uh,
Very heavy stakes involved in a criminal case. There's no indication, though,

(01:34:48):
that that led to the investigation. There's there's no indication
that this was the underlying thing. I'm not going to
speculate as to what that underlying kept it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
I mean, alleged misconduct. There's any number of things.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
What I can tell you, though, is that this is
something that can be remedied very, very quickly. That if
Solis and his staff work with OLR to, you know,
maybe it's just sitting down for an interview with investigators,
he can get his license back very quickly. In the meantime,

(01:35:27):
what exactly does this mean? Nobody's quite sure because I
can't remember any DA, not even Tierman Spencer, who's a
city attorney in Milwaukee, the most gleefully corrupt. He's headed
to jail for corruption. The most gleefully corrupt public attorney
I think we've ever had in Wisconsin. I don't think

(01:35:50):
I've ever heard of a situation where a district attorney
is not licensed to practice law in the state. All right,
when we come back, We'll get into it. Green Bay
Packers lay another egg. Starting to become a pattern. There
are other people who say stick to the issues, folks. Football,
when it comes to the Green Bay Packers in Wisconsin,

(01:36:12):
is the issue. Back when I worked for the other
radio station, there was a rule. It was called the
Packers rule. Do you know what the Packers rule is?
The Packers rule. If there is Packers content, people want
their Packers content. Welcome back to the Dan O'Donnell Show,
classical conservatism and occasional football talk, contemporary style as well.

(01:36:34):
The Packers blow yet another lead, this time to Carson
Wentz and the Minnesota Vikings. I have not yet seen
an update on the Vikings quarterback, Kyler Murray. Saw the
head coach earlier today, Kevin O'Connell, say, ah, yeah, he
looked pretty good today. Obviously, he's in the concussion protocol.

(01:36:54):
What else is the coach going to say? That was
a scary hit. It was a 15-yard penalty. I don't
think it was necessarily dirty. You get the hand that
kind of slaps off the helmet, and then, of course,
he gets hit.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
I mean, it was a penalty. Was it targeting? Was
it something worthy of a suspension?

Speaker 7 (01:37:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
It looked like Murray was unconscious for a good long time.
It looked like he was having a seizure. Very, very scary.
We all hate the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
But these are human beings, and you never want to
see someone hurt. So Carson Wentz comes in. As I
said earlier in the show, Carson Wentz is like the
ultimate backup quarterback. He was a hot shot early round
pick of the Philadelphia Eagles. And he very nearly, in
the 2017 season back when Nick Foles took over after Wentz,
I believe, tore his Achilles, might have been his ACL.

(01:37:45):
One of the last games of the season, Nick Foles
comes in, leads the Eagles to the Super Bowl championship.
And it was the Philly Special Super Bowl. Remember, they
beat Tom Brady and the New England Patriots that year. Well,
Carson Wentz was the big reason. The kid could play.
He was never the same after the injury. And pretty
much for the last nine, ten seasons, he's been the

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consummate backup. As I said earlier in the show, he
is the only player in NFL history. to start in
six consecutive seasons for six consecutive t six different teams
every single season he gets either cut or traded or
he's only on a one-year contract he signs with somebody
else i'll tell you I always thought being a backup

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quarterback would not be the worst gig in the world.
Former Badgers quarterback Jim Sorge made millions of dollars, barely ever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Saw the field.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
He was Peyton Manning's backup in Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Had a long, long career. I don't know. Yeah, everybody
wants to play. Everybody wants to see the field.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
But the backup quarterback, what people don't really understand, backup
quarterback is actually sort of like a second coach. You
have your offensive coordinator, you have your quarterback coach, but
oftentimes the backup quarterback will actually be the one relaying
plays into the helmet of the starting quarterback. He's expected
to be the one to really look at the film
right after there's an interception, right after there's a blitz

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that they don't pick up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
The backup quarterback is the one who is supposed to
take a look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
So the backup Carson Wentz comes in, and he looked
like backup quarterback Carson Wentz.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
That is, until the very end of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
It all started, of course, with the truly head-scratching decision
to take points off the board after a made-field goal.
There's a five-yard penalty. It makes it fourth and one,
and LeFleur decides to go for it. I understand if
the play is waved off because of offsides before the
kick is made, before the kick is attempted, if the

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kick misses, you've got three points. At that point, it
made it an eight-point game. The only thing that the
Vikings can do, and it's in the fourth quarter, early
in the fourth quarter, but the only thing the Vikings
can do with one possession is tie you. They have
to get the score and they have to get the
two-point conversion. Not exactly totally impossible or even difficult, But, look,

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you keep it so that a touchdown doesn't be. What happens,
of course, after review, they don't get it on the
quarterback sneak, and the Vikings score a touchdown. Then they're
in control, and then everything just falls apart. Yes, I know,
on that scoring drive, Ed Hockley's kid, Scott Hockley, all

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I know about him is that his biceps are way
less impressive than the old man's.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Yes, it was a horribly officiated drive.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
It seemed as though the Vikings got 99% of their
yards on penalties. There were bad calls. I'm not going
to dispute that. But are you kidding me? Did the
bad calls cost money? Yet another bad decision by Matt
LaFleur with game management. Did the bad calls prevent the

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Packers from picking up the Vikings' admittedly very, very good blitz? Look,
you've got Brian Flores as their defensive coordinator. He's one
of the best defensive coordinators in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
J.J.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Watt, who, by the way, is the guy, if you
didn't notice, he was doing color next to play-by-play man
Jim Nance while Tony Romo is dealing with the impact
of his DUI.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
He would say, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Believe Brian Flores doesn't have a head coaching job because
of how great a defensive coach he is. So the
Packers are unable to pick up his splits. They're unable
to stop Justin Jefferson, admittedly one of the best wide
receivers in the game. They're unable to stop the run.
They're unable to do anything defensively.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
And they lose.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
They squander another late-game lead consistently.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
And they lose in just unfathomable fashion.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
And unfortunately, it is now seeing like this is the
hallmark of Matt LaFleur's tenure as head coach. And I'm sorry,
I don't want to get back to my roots as
like a sports talk guy here. I promise this isn't
going to be like the very first show I ever hosted,
Wisconsin Sports Weekend, like Wisconsin Sports Monday or whatever, because
I'm sure you heard all of this. I'm sure you've
been talking about this with your buddies all day. But

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my goodness. It's the same crap.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
The Packers should have, as much as I like LeFleur
and respect LeFleur, clearly not as much as the Packers organization,
Russ Ball and Brian Gutekunst and Ed Policy, the new
team president, like LeFleur and respect LeFleur because He can
apparently do no wrong in their eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
I would have cut bait.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Now, my friend and colleague Mark Belling has always said, look,
you don't just get rid of a coach to get
rid of a coach unless there's someone better out there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
There was. His name is John Harbaugh. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Harbaugh, who is inexplicably fired by the Baltimore Ravens, he
won a Super Bowl with them. And the Ravens said,
you know what? I think it's kind of getting stale.
I think we need to move in a different direction.
I think we need to move on from John Harbaugh.
John Harbaugh is widely considered one of the better coaches
in the NFL. and the Ravens said we need to

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move on. Harbaugh doesn't take another head coaching job after
the end of the regular season because he wants to
take the Packers job. His parents live in Mequon. He's
from the Upper Peninsula. He has got deep ties to
the area, and the Packers job was considered probably the
most desirable that could have come on the market. He
eventually takes the New York Giants job.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
What happens?

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Giants look like world beaters. A lot of people believe
that the Dallas Cowboys are... are one of the better
teams in the NFL this year. They could be a
sleeper team to go to the Super Bowl. Then again,
Cowboys fans are always delusional. They say that Cowboys haven't
been back to the Super Bowl since the mid-1990s, for
goodness sakes. But he has the Giants playing like world
beaters because he's just a good coach. Why you don't

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take a look at him on the open market and say, hey,
let's give it a go, let's do something new. And then,
not only do you bring Matt LeFleur back, in what
facet of the game have the Packers gotten better this year?
They lose Romeo Dobbs, they lose Dontavion Wicks. Yes, I
know they're very high on the rookie Matthew Golden, as
am I. He did not look very good in the

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early seasons. A lot of questions surrounding Josh Jacobs, the
running back. You have to move around pretty much everybody
on the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
What do you think.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Is going to get defensively? How did they improve defensively? Seriously,
how did they improve? Micah Parsons was their entire defense.
They're not going to have him back until midway through
the season. At least if your entire game plan is
hoping and praying that Josh Jacobs and Micah Parsons come
back and come back healthy and come back in game

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shape and not rusty in Jacobs's case. And Jacobs was
also hurt in addition to being on the commissioner's exempt list.
I just got some serious questions. Packers didn't win a
game without Micah Parsons.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Okay, fine, fine, fine. Things are looking better. It's a
new season.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
All right, we're going to get the exact same crap.
Do we overreact to week one?

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Yes, of course we do.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Should we be overreacting to week one?

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
No, we shouldn't. But this isn't week one. This is
week one of this year.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
This is the playoffs of last year. This is the last, what,
four regular season games after Parsons was hurt last year?
Suffice it to say, this is a relatively long-standing pattern
at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
All right, all right. End of Packers rant.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
We're going to end the show coming up in just
a second with something.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
You absolutely have to hear. It is uplifting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
It might make you cry. It certainly will give you,
as the kids say, all the feels. A 102-year-old Navy
veteran singing God Bless America at the Milwaukee Brewers game
on the anniversary of 9-11. It is coming up next.
Huge controversy in the Tony Evers Department of Corrections, spending

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more than a million dollars on a gender identity consultant
who is attempting to get male prison inmates into female prisons.
More than half of the self-identified transgender inmates in the
Wisconsin prison system, according to a 2023 open records request,

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filed by a conservative think tank and eventually fulfilled by
the Evers administration about a year later, more than half
of the trans-identifying male inmates, biological males who think that
they're females, more than half of them have sexual assault convictions.
81 out of 161. the standard for the male prison

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population is about 15% to put that into perspective. You
can read the entire story. DOC has not yet commented
on this. I wonder why. It is a big, big controversy.
Full story up at heartlandpost.com. But I know, now I'm
getting you mad about that again, that your tax dollars
are going to this trans consultant, this gender identity consultant,

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the thing that just chaps my rear end They couldn't
find somebody here in Wisconsin. They had to get a
woman who lives in Maine and pay her travel expenses
every time she comes to the DOC in Madison to
sit in or whatever prison she has to go to.
Sit in as part of one of these boards to
determine whether a trans inmate gets sex reassignment surgery or

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gets to move to the women's prison.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
Enough of that. Enough of the ranting about the Packers.
On Friday, of course, it was the 25th anniversary of 9-11.
The Milwaukee Brewers invited a 102-year-old World War II Navy
veteran from Rockford, Illinois, named Sveta Vinje, to sing God

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Bless America during the seventh inning stretch of the Brewers
game against the Cincinnati Reds. Now, this was the same
night the Brewers won 20 to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
They became.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
the first team in Major League history to have two
shutouts in the same season, which they score more than
20 runs. It's kind of remarkable because offensively, the Brewers
have not been particularly great this season. Vinjae, served in
the Navy from 1943 to 1945. He was present at
both Iwo Jima and Okinawa. He enlisted after Pearl Harbor,

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and he has sung at other sporting events, Rockford Ice Hogs,
nearer to his home hockey games. Just this past June,
his hometown held a surprise 102nd birthday parade for him.
But this was the moment where he was introduced to

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the entire world, thanks to the Milwaukee Brewers. You are
going to get chills and you might cry. I'm just
fair warning, ladies and gentlemen, the crowd absolutely goes bananas
for this, as well they should. In its entirety, here
is 102-year-old World War II naval veteran Svetlana.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
We must be so grateful.

Speaker 8 (01:49:35):
For this land we love. Let us all be faithful
to the one above.

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
As we go our way now, The red, white, and blue.
God bless America.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
Land as we love.

Speaker 5 (01:50:23):
Stand beside her and guide her. Through the night with
the light from above.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
From the.

Speaker 7 (01:50:38):
Mountains, to the prairie, to the ocean, white with gold.

Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
God bless America.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
My home.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
I'm not crying. You're crying. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
Unreal.