A New John Doe Scandal Rocks Senate Dems

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A major scandal begins the Thursday edition of the program,
a new John Doe investigation, perhaps into the exact same
potentially criminal conduct that ensnared the Milwaukee County Executive's office
when it was run by Scott Walker. A state Senate

(00:23):
candidate by the name of Trevor Young may have spent
a full calendar year committing crimes by campaigning on state time.
Take this video, for example. which I pulled from Young's
campaign Facebook page, Trevor Young for State Senate.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I want to share the story of one of the
reasons that I'm running for office. So as the transit director,
we see folks who utilize public transportation to be able
to support themselves. One of those people is Carol. Carol
has worked at Target in Racine for over 25 years.
She has cerebral palsy. She can't drive herself. And so
she relies on this vital public service to get her
to where she needs to go. Getting out of bed

(01:05):
is harder for her than it is for most people.
but she makes the point to go to work so
that she has that dignity. That particular service, our paratransit service,
saw a 40% cut by state government.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
40% cut since 2010.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
That makes it harder for us to make sure that
folks like Carol have the freedom and dignity of work.
That's what this campaign is about, making sure folks like
Carol get to where they need to go. To make
sure that Wisconsin is a place, no matter who you are,
what your background is, you can call this place home.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
If it wasn't obvious that that was a campaign video,
it was branded with Trevor Young for state Senate, even
though he is talking about transit issues and he does
serve as the city of Racine's transit director, the director
of RIDE, R-Y-D-E, the public transportation system serving the city
of Racine. He is clearly talking about campaign issues. He's

(01:57):
talking about what he will do in the Wisconsin state Senate.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
The only problem?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
That video was posted during work hours and appears to
have been recorded during work hours as well. In fact,
in a big exclusive story that we first broke at
the Heartland Post, this is the new digital media initiative
that I serve as editor-in-chief of earlier today, and we

(02:24):
are breaking on the air right now. We found that
Young recorded more than a dozen full days of regular
pay for regular work on dates where he was posting
multiple campaign videos, hosting fundraisers, and appearing at partisan events.

(02:46):
This is according to employer time records that we obtained
exclusively and then cross-checked with campaign schedules and events that
were publicly available on Young's social media. Young is the
Democratic nominee for the 21st Senate District in the race
against Republican Jim Croft to replace the retiring GOP Senator

(03:09):
Van Wongaard. This is in southeast Wisconsin, as you can imagine. Racine,
parts of Milwaukee County, encompass this district. Well, Racine Employment
Records says, show that Young marked full regular pay days
on dates that coincide with clear campaign work. For example,

(03:30):
on May 28th, he posted to his official campaign Facebook
page that he had spent an earlier workday in Greendale
for his campaign, talking to voters, quote, about the issues
that matter most to working families across Wisconsin. His work
records show that that he claimed to be working full

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days that entire week, save for Memorial Day. There is
a picture of him talking at what appears to be
a nursing home. The picture makes it abundantly clear that
this is not outside of work hours, say, during the evening. That,
in fact, this picture was posted during normal work hours,

(04:13):
which I would define as between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m., or,
if you want to be generous, 8 a.m.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
And 4 p.m.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Now, it's clear that that a trip to Greendale for
a speech would have encompassed a significant period of time.
In other words, he was obviously doing campaign work on
public time. Well, on May 19th, we also discovered that
he claimed a full regular day of pay and hosted
a campaign kickoff event. On May 5th, he was paid

(04:46):
a regular full day of work and appeared in Janesville
at a fundraiser with other Democratic candidates. Now, This behavior
has stretched for the duration of Young's Senate campaign, which
he launched almost exactly one year ago last September. We
found on Thursday, February 12th, he claimed a full day

(05:07):
of regular pay. But according to his official campaign Facebook page,
he was in Franklin for a breakfast fundraiser, posting alongside
pictures of him talking to constituents about Franklin reminded me
why this work matters. A strong turnout, real conversations about
education and cost of living, and the kind of energy

(05:28):
that wins races. Huge thanks to the Franklin Dems for
hosting such a wonderful event for our campaign. I'd like
to share the same thanks to the volunteers and contributors
who believe as I do. that Wisconsin can be affordable,
and that hard work ought to be rewarded. Let's keep
building on that positive momentum in every part of the 21st.

(05:51):
The Post, again, makes it abundantly clear there is no
work component to this event whatsoever. It is a campaign event.
It is on public time. That is a violation of
state law. Three weeks before that, January 21st, Young also
claimed a full day of work at Racine, but was

(06:13):
meeting with the UAW Southeast Wisconsin CAP Council for his
Senate campaign.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
This, of course, is a union.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
He said in a post that again was posted during
regular work hours, thank you for the work you do
every day to advocate for working people, fair wages, safe workplaces,
and the dignity that comes with a strong voice on
the job. I'm grateful for your support for our campaign.
Our shared mission is building an economy where hard work

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is rewarded. Again, there is absolutely nothing having to do
with Racine Transportation at this event. It was not work-related
at all. It was entirely related to the campaign. As
recently as July 13th, Young is posting on his official
campaign page photos from a tour of a quarry that

(07:05):
he had taken the previous week where his employment record
also showed that he had claimed full days of work.
There is a picture of him wearing a helmet, wearing
a safety vest, standing at the bottom of this quarry.
I appreciated the opportunity to tour the Racine Quarry last
week and learn how limestone becomes the infrastructure we use today. Now,

(07:27):
you might think, okay, well, infrastructure for transportation stuff, right?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Wrong answer.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
The stone produced here helps build the roads, bridges, and
infrastructure that keep Wisconsin moving. It's also a reminder that
investing in infrastructure means investing in good union jobs, a
stronger economy, and a more competitive Wisconsin where workers and
products can move efficiently. Not only was this posted to
his campaign website, it is clear from the context of

(07:54):
the post that that the purpose of this visit was
political in nature and had nothing to do with his
job as director of Racine's transportation system. Wisconsin law, specifically
Wisconsin Statute 946.12, treats the use of public work time

(08:15):
for partisan campaigning as a potential crime. Doing campaign work
on public time or using public resources can and has
been interpreted by multiple appellate courts constitute felony misconduct in
public office. That is a class I felony. Not only that,

(08:38):
this has been treated as a very similar, very serious
campaign finance campaign scandal in the recent past. During the
Milwaukee County John Doe investigation that began while Scott Walker
was county executive and wrapped up while he was governor,

(08:59):
multiple aides were charged with doing campaign work on county time.
Walker's deputy chief of staff, Kelly Rinefleisch, pleaded guilty to
felony misconduct in public office for extensive campaign fundraising and
communications during work hours.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
She faced jail time.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Darlene Wink pleaded guilty to related charges involving political activity
on county time, going all the way down to Wink prison.
commenting on Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, jsonline.com stories, and posting pro-Walker comments.
That led to a criminal conviction. A candidate being so

(09:41):
brazen into using county time, city time, public time, taxpayer-funded
time for, at our count, We are at at least
16 to 20 days just that we could find from
publicly available Facebook posts. just over the past several months.

(10:03):
We also checked the Racine Employee Handbook, which governs city employees,
including those in transit operations. It expressly provides, quote, Employees
may not engage in any form of political activity on
the job and may not engage in political activity off
the job to such an extent that it interferes with

(10:24):
doing his, her, their job. Young is a full-time salaried official.
He is not an hourly worker whose pay is calculated
minute by minute, but that distinction does not authorize campaign work.
during hours when a full-time public employee is expected to

(10:45):
perform government duties. Kelly Reinfleisch and Darlene Wink could not
argue that since they were not hourly, that rule did
not apply to them. Between normal business hours, where you
are expected to be working for the city of Racine, unless, say,
you take a leave of absence, you are expected to

(11:07):
be performing work. For example, I am not an hourly
employee at iHeartMedia. My hours on the air are between
3 p.m. and 6 p.m. While I am responsible for
producing and delivering a radio show in between those hours,
oftentimes my work stretches well beyond that. For example, I

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spent many, many hours looking at Trevor Young's timesheets as
well as Trevor Young's Facebook and Twitter pages to put
together this story. To suggest that I am only bound
by iHeart's expectation that I am doing work between the

(11:52):
hours of 3 and 6 p.m. is to suggest that
there is no other work that could possibly be going on.
In other words, when I am getting ready for a
radio show, I am expected to get ready for a
radio show. It would be theoretically theft of time from

(12:13):
my employer if I was, say, moonlighting, doing some other
work that isn't directly related to my responsibilities here. It
becomes a massive issue because iHeart is the company, it's
the only entity responsible for my pay. It becomes a
massive issue for someone like Young because the city of

(12:34):
Racine is signing his checks in the city of Racine
is funded by taxpayers. When both the Racine employee handbook
and more critically, the Wisconsin criminal statutes make this a
serious crime, it is a very serious issue. Now, One

(12:55):
could say, well, Dan, this is something that everyone just
sort of ignores.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Only they didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Ask Kelly Reinflash. Ask Darlene Wink. This was a major
scandal that dogged Scott Walker. in his first term and
stretching into his second term. It was known as John
Doe 1, the John Doe investigation, which was reported on
endlessly and breathlessly by the same Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that

(13:25):
actually did get involved in this race. Jim Croft, the
Republican who's running against Trevor Young in this district to
replace the at a Kroger grocery store. I believe this
was a pick and save in which he was talking
about grocery prices or some such thing. The Milwaukee Journal

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Sentinel actually contacted Kroger, the parent company of this grocery store,
and asked, hey, is this a violation of your terms
of service? And Kroger said, yes, it is, and asked
Jim Croft to take down the video. The Journal Sentinel
then ran a story about how Kroger told Jim Croft

(14:08):
to take down the video. Now that I have reported
on Trevor Young's very real and potentially criminal scandal, one
wonders if the a grocery store chain saying, don't film
a campaign video in our produce section. This is well-established

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criminal law saying you are not allowed to do exactly
what Trevor Young has been doing for a full year.
In fact, let's go through a full year of Trevor
Young campaigning on public time. September 29th, 2025. He registers
a full day of regular pay. He attends a Democratic

(14:54):
Party event. November 11th, Veterans Day. Again, full day of
regular pay. He attends a Veterans Day event, not as
the director of the Racine Transportation System, but rather as
a candidate for the Wisconsin State Senate. The following day,
also full day regular pay. Young attends campaign events. January

(15:20):
21st of this year, full day of regular pay, he
goes to that CAP Council event as a candidate. February 9th,
he attends a Racine school event as a candidate and
then posts the video of it, posts about it on
February 10th, another day that he claimed a full day
of regular pay. On February 11th, we have got three

(15:44):
straight days now where he's claiming full days of regular pay.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
The taxpayers of Racine are.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Paying this guy to direct the ride system, the transportation system.
He's hosting a fundraiser. March 23rd, again, full day regular pay,
hosting a fundraiser in Caledonia. Two days later, Another full
day of regular pay. He attends a teacher event and
he's actually wearing in the Facebook post his campaign name tag. Clearly,

(16:15):
he is identifying himself as a candidate. He is attending
not as the director of the Racine transit system, but
rather as a candidate for the state Senate. May 5th, again,
full day of regular pay, he attends a fundraiser with
Ann Rowe and Mark Spreitzer, two legislative Democrats, in Janesville.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Not Racine, but Janesville.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
May 19th, he hosts that campaign kickoff event while also
claiming a full day of regular pay. May 28th, he
posts about meeting earlier in the week with voters. May
25th is Memorial Day. That's the holiday. He then uses
a full day of pay and a sick day. This
was the one time he appears to have tried to

(17:01):
not get a full day of pay. He's still getting
a full day of pay, saying he is sick. On
May 27th, I believe, no, May 26th, he used the
sick day. Regular day of work is May 27th, but
he's apparently going out and meeting with voters as documented
extensively by his own Facebook page throughout the day. June 9th,

(17:23):
he's out talking to voters in Caledonia. Again, this is
a weekday. The pictures accompanying this post identify this as
being during the workday. July 7th, full day of regular pay.
He posts a video as well talking about why he's
running for office. July 13th, this is the quarry tour.

(17:44):
He said that that tour was the week prior, but
the entire week right after the 4th of July. 4th
of July, of course, was on a Saturday this year.
So it was the 6th through the 11th, 10th or 11th,
6th through the 10th. These were days that he was
on the clock. He was claiming regular pay all week long.

(18:05):
He says he's going to a quarry. And again, he's
going not as the Racine transit director, but rather as
a candidate. July 14th posts a video about why he's
running for office. And then July 21st, again, takes a
full day of regular pay and is shooting, presumably, and
also posting a video about why he's running for office.

(18:27):
All of these days constitute theft of government service. This
is theft of government time. This is a crime. This
is misconduct in public office. almost assuredly, because if it
was misconduct in public office for Kelly Reinflash to be
conducting campaign fundraising and communication calls and doing that sort

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of stuff while she was supposed to be working for
Milwaukee County, then certainly Trevor Young, while he was supposed
to be working for the city of Racine, but rather
was doing extensive campaign work for his own run for
the state Senate, this is an equally serious criminal offense

(19:10):
that I'm sure will be treated equally seriously.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's a big exclusive story.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
You can read all of the details at the Heartland Post, heartlandpost.com.
We have got it up on my social media, at
Dan O'Donnell Show on X, Facebook, across social media. You
are listening to the Dan O'Donnell Show. It is a
conservative thought, not just talk. We broke what I believe
is a very, very substantial exclusive story, potentially a new

(19:41):
John Doe scandal, which, of course, will never, ever, ever
be treated as such because it doesn't involve the Republican Party. governor,
but rather someone who's very, very well thought of in
Democratic Party circles. He is the current Racine Transportation Director,
the director of the system down there they have called RIDE, R-Y-D-E.

(20:05):
His name is Trevor Young. He's running for the Wisconsin
State Senate. Senator Van Wongard, longtime senator, announced his retirement.
And sadly, we do have some just devastating news to
pass along. Wongard had cited when he announced in the
spring that he just couldn't run for another term, that
he was dealing with a whole lot of family issues.

(20:27):
A number of his siblings had passed away. His daughter
was battling cancer. Well, unfortunately, Van's daughter succumbed to her
cancer battle. She lost her battle with cancer.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I hate saying she lost her battle with cancer. She won,
she fought valiantly, and her memory will forever be a
blessing to those who knew her. My deepest condolences to
my friend Van Wongarden, his entire family. He announced with
an incredibly heavy heart on Labor Day on Monday that
his daughter had passed away. So Van announced that he

(20:57):
wasn't going to run again. A very, very talented, good
Republican by the name of Jim Croft, who I'm sure
you've heard his ads on the Dan O'Donnell Show. He's
the one who has the dance moves. academy and he's
got the latin music and he's saying hey don't uh
you don't want to dance with me democrats trevor young
did trevor young announced that he was running for the

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senate he actually challenged one guard when one guard was
still contemplating running again young announced to run and he
is pardon the pun a very young guy And he
is thought of as a potential rising star in Democrat circles.
He is very, very well regarded. And he announced his

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campaign last September. It is my very strong suspicion, although
I couldn't get a record for this date, he had
a campaign kickoff event almost exactly one year ago.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I believe it was September 17th. That was on a weekday.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
It was on like a Tuesday, and there's a group
of people behind him, and he's got pictures and videos.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
He was supposed to be at work.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I went through and spent way more time than I
probably should have spent cross-checking the days that he's saying, yes,
I worked a full day, full eight-hour day, putting in
yeoman's work. Transportation in Racine is very, very important. So,
you know, doggone, well, I've got my nose to the grindstone. Well, no,

(22:29):
he was actually doing campaign work. He was going out.
I can place him via his own Facebook page in Greendale,
in Caledonia, in Franklin, in places that are very far
from the city of Racine and very far from his
office in the transportation department. Now, Young has not answered

(22:55):
our requests for comment after we received these records. City
of Racine is apparently just fine. We think with this
blatant violation of its own city handbook, employee handbook, you
are not allowed to do this. Every city employee knows this.
While you are on city time, while you are on
public time, every public employee should know this. While you

(23:19):
are on Government time. You are not allowed to do
campaign work. You are not allowed to do political work. Now,
I've heard through the grapevine because Young does not want
to talk to me. Apparently, to borrow a phrase from
his opponent, Young apparently doesn't want to dance with me.
I am sure he has now been made aware that

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the biggest radio talk show in the state has now
picked up on this scandal, which apparently was well known
that the reason that we at the heartland post were
digging into this is because people in Racine were telling us, Hey, look,
this guy is never at the office. This guy is
constantly campaigning and take a look at his social media.

(24:03):
He's basically openly bragging about the fact that he is, uh,
instead of doing work. So if he wants to call
and try to explain this, I would very strongly suggest
having a lawyer present on the phone because that's just
how serious this is. This isn't Dan O'Donnell making a

(24:26):
mountain out of a molehill. The Milwaukee County District Attorney's
Office in its John Doe investigation set the precedent Kelly Reinfleisch,
Deputy Chief of Staff for County Executive Scott Walker, was

(24:48):
caught doing a fraction of what we have caught Trevor
Young doing. She was basically doing campaign calls. She was
coordinating fundraising events. She was sitting at her desk in
Milwaukee County and saying, She was doing campaign work for
Walker's run for governor. Darlene Wink was quite possibly the

(25:13):
single most unfairly targeted person in Wisconsin history. She was
going on jsonline.com back when jsonline.com had comments. You could
comment on individual stories. They stopped that one real quick.
By the way, at the Heartland Post, we do not
have comments, and it has nothing to do with, oh,
people are going to troll or you're afraid of differing opinions. No,

(25:35):
it's because it's real easy for bots and now AIs
to simply spam. And frankly, I don't want a whole
lot of ads for generic Viagra on my website. So
the journal Sentinel very smartly, I think, also decided we're
not going to have comments anymore. But back then, In 20,
what was this, 2009?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, 2009.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
This was 2010, I believe, was when the John Doe
investigation really ramped up, when Walker was running for governor
for the first time, 2010. Then, of course, he had
the recall election, 2012, ran for re-election, won in 2014.
So the comments, you could see Darlene Wink during campaign

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or during public time, She's going on jsonline.com and commenting
in support of her boss, Scott Walker. That was considered
a violation of statute. That was considered misconduct in public office.
The notorious Darlene Wick, who is like the sweetest woman

(26:40):
you could ever possibly meet, very active in Republican women events.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
We love you, Darlene.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I know she's a regular listener. Kelly Ryan flash also
about the sweetest, kindest, nicest person you could ever meet.
They went at her with the full bore of prosecutorial
might in Milwaukee County. Will the Racine County District Attorney

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do likewise? That remains to be seen. Racine County actually
has a very, very good DA by the name of
Tricia Hansen. I don't know if she is supporting the
Croft campaign. I'm really not up on Racine County politics.
If so, she may have to recuse herself. There may
need to be a special prosecutor who's named.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
This is criminal.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
This is criminal misconduct in public office that can rise
to the level. Look, go to the statute or better yet,
It is linked at heartlandpost.com.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Check it out.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Read it for yourself. The courts have interpreted doing campaign
work on public time, doing exactly what we have Trevor
Young dead to rights on as potential felony misconduct in
public office.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
We have got.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Another Democrat actually going to jail for his crimes. I
can't believe this is happening in David Crowley's Milwaukee County,
but here we are. Plus, Packers running back Josh Jacob
cops a plea. All of that, plus the unhinged liberal
of the day coming up next when the Dan O'Donnell
Show returns. Hey, speaking of misconduct in public office, how

(28:20):
about our old friend Tierman Spencer? the now former Milwaukee
City attorney who just may have been the single worst
public servant in, honest to goodness, Wisconsin history. Spencer was
convicted about a month ago of misconduct in public office.

(28:43):
He is actually going to spend time in jail. He
was convicted, I guess it was July of Of felony
misconduct in office, he was sentenced to six weeks in
jail plus a fine, other conditions. He was acquitted on
a related misdemeanor, separate felony cases involving alleged real estate

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scheme and bail jumping remain pending. Tierman was charged in
October of 2024 after an investigation found he used his
office between midway through about 2022, early 23, for personal benefit.
He sold a building on Martin Luther King Drive to

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a businessman by the name of Mohamed Ghaffar with an
arrangement allowing Tierman to keep storing and restoring classic cars there.
He directed city attorney staff to draft a legal memo.
aimed at stopping Department of Neighborhood Services inspections, fees and

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required repairs that would have cost thousands of dollars. Prosecutors
said he intimidated inspectors, failed to disclose his interest in
the property and misled investigators and Milwaukee County jury convicted
him of the felony in late July, found him not
guilty of obstructing an officer. He was sentenced to three

(30:08):
months of confinement at the Milwaukee County Community Reintegration Center.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Half of that was stayed.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
This means that the sentence is imposed, but you don't
actually have to serve it.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's immediately stayed.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
So half of the sentence has been stayed, meaning he's
only going to serve six weeks. He has to pay
a $ 7, 000 fine, do 100 hours of community service. And
this is my favorite part of the sentence. Ready for this?
He has to take a cognitive thinking class. The former

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city attorney. of the city of Milwaukee. Ladies and gentlemen,
when we say that you cannot possibly be more dysfunctional
than David Crowley's Milwaukee County, I mean, there are, I
think I can count on both hands the number of
people in elected or appointed positions in the city of

(31:07):
Milwaukee or Milwaukee County who are competent and apparently have
cognitive thinking skills. Do you know what the city attorney is?
The city attorney represents the city of Milwaukee in lawsuits
against the city. The city attorney will handle municipal issues.

(31:29):
The city attorney is basically the city's attorney, hence the name.
Goinke's office is apparently no better. They just had to
fire somebody who just decided, well, in a massive lawsuit
against the city, we're not going to file a required
briefing when the plaintiff filed for summary judgment. The judge

(31:54):
is saying, OK, city of Milwaukee, we sort of need
your filing here. Filing never arose. Filing never came in.
Then the assistant city attorney said, well, we had computer issues.
The judge absolutely raked the city attorney's office over the coals, saying,

(32:16):
we wait for weeks for a response and you come
up with the equivalent of the dog ate my homework.
Back to Tierman Spencer, a second case, which was charged
last October and uncovered during a phone search in that
first investigation, alleges that Spencer, who is just he is

(32:38):
this guy is just comically corrupt. He and real estate
agent Kennard Ragg. acquired a Milwaukee home from an estate
for $ 8, 000, well below its assessed value. By bypassing proper
probate and misrepresenting the property's worth to the seller, the
deceased owner's grandson, they then turned around and listed it

(33:02):
for $ 245, 000, which is a lot closer to its actual value.
Charges include conspiracy to receive stolen property, money laundering, slander
of title, and falsely exercising public office. A third charge
of felony bail jumping was added in May after Spencer
allegedly left a voicemail for a no-contact witness, a probate attorney,

(33:26):
offering business which prosecutors describe as a veiled bribe. I'm
telling you, the man is just comically corrupt. Believe it
or not, he is actually going to spend time in
jail just six weeks for severe misconduct in public office.
He does still have that second case hanging out against him.

(33:49):
When we come back here on the Dan O'Donnell Show,
we name the unhinged liberal of the day. No stranger
to this designation, quite possibly the most unhinged human being in.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
The state of Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Day two of the midterm convention down in Dallas. Day
one considered a massive success. All anyone is talking about, though,
is President Trump's promise of a $ 5, 000 dividend check if
Republicans are able to sweep both the House and the Senate.
Weirdly enough, they are not covering it in the media

(34:26):
the same way that then-President-elect Joe Biden was promising that
$ 2, 000 stimulus checks if the two Georgia Democrats won in
their runoff elections. We will get into that coming up
after the 4 o'clock hour, and then we will get
into a deeper tribute and a look back at the

(34:47):
life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. One year ago today,
he was gunned down. assassinated by a deranged liberal, and
it is time now to name the unhinged, but today
better identified as deranged liberal of the day. He is
the most despicable human being in the gutter of politics

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in Wisconsin. Kirk Bankstad, the constantly attention-starved lowlife who runs
the scam-shuttered Manaqua Brewing Company, made a predictably vile post
marking the anniversary of Kirk's assassination, referencing the fact that
we here at the Dan O'Donnell Show were the ones

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that brought him international condemnation for his vile post the
day after Charlie was assassinated. He wrote today, exactly one
year ago, the Minocqua Brewing Company told the truth about
Charlie Kirk. He was a paid MAGA shill whose job
was to spread racism, misogyny, anti-intellectualism, anti-vax, and pro-gun propaganda

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throughout college campuses. In short, Charlie Kirk was a bleephole
who damaged America. We said something similar to that effect
a year ago, and given the anniversary, we figured we'd
say it again. Charlie Kirk was a bleephole who damaged America.
Charlie Kirk was a beloved figure who is still mourned
a year later. When Kirk Bankstad is gone, nobody will

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mourn him, nobody will remember him, and nobody And I mean,
nobody will weep. Kirk Bankstead, the most despicable human in
Wisconsin politics.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
We are still dealing with the ramifications of Charlie Kirk's assassination,
a day that revealed a whole lot of our fellow
Americans to be not nearly as vile. or as open
about just how depraved they are as Kirk Bangstad, who

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is sort of the raging id of every leftist. But
a whole lot of people, your choir teacher, the lady
you sit next to at church, all took to social media,
it seemed, and posted just the most awful things about
Charlie Kirk, as though that was a license and to

(37:09):
just behave in a depraved, awful manner. We are going
to get into that. And unfortunately, what we lost when
Charlie was assassinated and the movement, I think, that initially
was sparked, it was, I think, fitting in a way
that Charlie was assassinated the day before 9-11 because his

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death and 9-11 itself, which we're going to reflect on
25 years later, after September 11th, 2001, tomorrow, there was
initially a burst of religious revivalism, of community, of faith,
of solidarity that quickly gave way to the crass divisions

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of politics. It wasn't just the left. It wasn't just
the predictably awful things, and there were a number of
universities that had Charlie Kirk lookalike contests where you would
dress up and have like a blood-stained neck. Charlie was

(38:15):
shot through the neck and unfortunately the videos were all over.
I mean this was a father. This was a husband.
This was a good, decent man. Coming up a little
bit later, I'd like to play a portion of Charlie's
speech to focusing on– really focusing on Generation Z, his generation.

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I guess technically he might have been a younger millennial.
But the hope that he had for the future, he
was a human being. And yet because there was disagreement
with his politics, a whole ton of people, hundreds of
thousands of them thought it was perfectly fine.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
We'd seen this. of course, when Antonin.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Scalia died in, what was it, 2016, when Rush Limbaugh
died in.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
2021, we saw leftists behaving ghoulishly.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
You'll notice that there was never, there are What was
the last prominent leftist to pass away?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
When Jimmy Carter died at age 100, there was some
honest reflection about the success or failure of his presidency.
I believe his presidency was a failure and I believe
post-presidency he might have been even worse because of how
he was just vehemently, viciously anti-Israel and literally interfering in

(39:37):
subsequent presidents' ability to work in the Middle East. There
was nobody saying, I'm glad he's dead, celebrating his death.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg when she passed away a couple of
weeks before the 2020 presidential election, was there a single
Republican giddy over the fact or, or posting mocking memes.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Of Ruth Bader? It really reveals character. It really does.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
We had a full, what year of this while the
left is still trying to play that, that gotcha game. Oh,
you make a bad joke about a Democrat. Oh, we're
going to cancel you.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I'm sorry. The, Same people that.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
You're gloating over Charlie Kirk's death? You're literally posting mocking
memes for weeks and weeks and weeks? Okay, well, we're
not going to play that game anymore. Nothing actually made
me happier than when people lost their jobs for that. Finally, finally,
you get a taste of your own medicine. Cancel culture. Sorry,

(40:43):
you started it. You want to play it? You're going
to mock, just heartlessly mock an innocent man's death because
you disagree with his politics, okay? Folks, I'll tell you what.
Nothing radicalized me against those. I don't like talking about.

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telling personal stuff about that. If you'll notice, I stopped
talking about a lot about specific stuff involving the kids,
my wife, family. It stopped then because frankly, I saw
myself as a tar. I got a concealed carry permit
almost immediately after Charlie was assassinated and nothing radicalized me

(41:29):
quite like the next morning. I was driving my daughter
to school And she asked me, he's 11 years old.
And she asked, dad, did you know that guy who
was killed yesterday? I said, well, honey, I didn't know him,
but you know, I had met him and, and I
talked to him and hanging out with him at the
RNC for a bit. Wouldn't say I knew him. She asked,

(41:52):
do you do the same job as him? I said, well,
kind of, you know, he's a bit more famous than dad.
He had a, massive network and and you know it's
just incredibly successful at what he did but yeah we
kind of do the same thing so well where was
he killed i said well honey he went to go

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speak on a college campus and she thought for a
little bit and asked do you ever speak on college
campuses this little girl was concerned that some deranged psychopath
furry trans leftist Was going to murder her father.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Folks.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
I'm.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
These are dangerous sick people. And that was my biggest takeaway.
Not everyone is. You know capable of murder. Very few are.
But if given the chance. I think there are a
frightening number of people on the political left. who would

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take me out, who would take out Trump, who would
take out Vance, who would take out Clay and Buck,
Ben Shapiro. Anyone and everybody, if given half a chance,
they are psychotic. And that to me, the revelation last
year that so many people are that psychotic and can

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take such glee in an innocent husband and father being
gunned down because they don't like his politics. And trying
to justify that? Well, he is coming right on the
heels of another innocent man who was not a public figure.
The CEO of UnitedHealthcare, Brian Thompson. To justify and celebrate

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his murder and celebrate his assassin as some sort of
modern day Robin Hood? Man, do we have a sick.
And please do not try to both sides this.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Please do not.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
One side glorifies, one side celebrates, one side has a
death call. Look at Lindsey Clancy. Are there any conservative
Lindsey Clancy supporters?

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Say, you know what?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
We just need to understand. We need to be kinder
to the vicious child murderer. As we get into the
daily Trump date, the Charlie Kirk show on radio and
on Real America's Voice, the cable news network, is still
going on. One year after his death, it's been hosted

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by a rotating cast of people. I believe now there
is a permanent host or hosts, J.D.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Vance.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
On the Charlie Kirk show, remembering Charlie one year after
his assassination today.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
It's hard to believe that he's been gone for a year. Yeah,
I mean, Charlie was obviously a very dear friend. I mean,
you know, I've kept in close contact, and Usha has,
with Erica and with the kids, and... I always just
first and foremost think of this as a human tragedy.
You think about the kids. You think about, as a
young father myself, what memories will the kids have of Charlie?

(45:08):
I think about selfishly the ways in which I wish
he was around for my own selfish reasons. I think about, man,
I just really wish I could call Charlie and get
his advice on this, or I really wish I could
call Charlie and get his help on this.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
And, you know, it's just you slowly over.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Time realize that, you know, first it's you pick up
the phone and you dial his number and then you
hang up before he answers. And the closer you get
to this year mark, you realize he's just not there anymore.
It's one of these things where I think everybody grieves
differently and everybody responds to it differently. But the way
that I just constantly, almost obsessively come back to it

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is this was a guy who just had so much
life to live, who had so many people who loved
him and so many people who relied upon him, who
depended upon him. And we're all in our own way,
in some ways, big and small.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Obviously, the biggest hole is for Eric and the kids.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
But all of us, I think, have this hole that
we're all trying to fill or all trying to at least...
find some way of making sure that we carry on
in Charlie's absence.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
We are going to, coming up at about 4.35, talk
about the legacy of Charlie Kirk with Turning Point USA
Wisconsin President Brett Galaszewski, somebody who did know Charlie, worked
with him. What is TPUSA doing one year since the assassination?
That's coming up in about 20 minutes. President Trump of course,

(46:30):
made reference to Charlie and his past on night one
of the midterm convention. Night two is going to feature J.D. Vance,
the vice president, delivering the keynote address. President Trump is
expected to speak earlier today. He was at the National
Medal of Honor Museum, taking a brief vacation from the

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midterm convention to honor America's Medal of Honor recipients.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I'm thrilled to be here at the National... Medal of
Honor Museum.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
It's got a great reputation already all over the world,
but it's very special for all of us.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
But it's very special for me to be here. It's
an American.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Treasure devoted to the best and bravest warriors of our country.
And frankly, it's really the best they've ever produced. The
3,500 and 36 recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
And as you probably heard, we have a few more
coming your way. Very brave people.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
The president making that visit in Arlington, he privately toured
the museum. It opened in March of 2025. It is
the only facility dedicated solely to Medal of Honor recipients.
He spoke at a ceremony. About 15 of the 65
living recipients attended, along with House Speaker Mike Johnson, Senator

(47:57):
Ted Cruz of Texas, also attending. President Trump honored those
recipients in attendance.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Those honored in this museum did more than answer the call.
They stormed into Hellfire and crushed America's enemies. They had
bravery like few people could even think of having. They
carried the wounded out of battle in their own backs.
They carried them back and forth. I have... stories that

(48:25):
as I you know, I had the honor of giving
out a lot of Medal of Honors and some of
the stories I'm I'm reading them.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I'm reading I like to be a little prepared.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
So I'd study it a little bit before I went
up there and Discussed it and I said boy these
people are brave But they gave their bodies as shields
for their brothers in arms. They stood in the way
of bullets purposely just standing just like this and taking
bullets and And it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
These are amazing.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
I see why Charlotte's so committed to it, you know,
because you just don't meet people like this.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
They stood tall when their country needed heroes, and we
will remember them all for what they did.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
It's all the people in this room and all of
those great Medal of Honor winners that are no longer
with us.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
The president also signed the Herschel Woody Williams National Medal
of Honor Monument Site Location Act, the privately funded monument,
which has been named for the last surviving recipient of
the Medal of Honor from World War II.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
He passed away in 2022.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
It'll honor all Medal of Honor recipients on the National
Mall in Washington, D.C. The president said today a new
site would be selected rather than the originally considered plot
near the Lincoln Memorial. He promised it's going to be
the best site in Washington. The big story coming out
of night one of the midterm convention, of course, President

(49:52):
Trump promising a $ 5, 000 dividend to every single adult legal
adult in this country if Republicans win both the House
and the Senate.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
What we're doing is because we've done so well and
because our country is making so much money that only
I can make this promise to you and here is
my promise if the Republicans win the House of Representatives
and the United States Senate both of them because of

(50:24):
our economic.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Tremendous economic success. Like, in history, we've never had anything
like what's happening.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
But because of our tremendous strength and success economically, I
will issue a dividend to every adult citizen in the
United States of America for $ 5, 000.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Now, that would probably cost about $ 1. 25 to $ 1. 3 trillion,
based on the calculation of about 255 million adult citizens
in this country. Where would that money come from? We're
not entirely sure. Can the president simply dig into what

(51:11):
was it that when Barack Obama came to get some money,
what kind of money, Obama money, where is he going
to get it?

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
His stash. Remember that famous soundbite? The Obama money. There
is no Trump money. Congress would need to appropriate this.
This is why President Trump is saying if both this
is not a bribe, Trump is not going to dig
into his private Trump reserves of a trillion dollars or
so and give everybody $ 5, 000. What he is saying is

(51:39):
that if Republicans win the House and win the Senate,
they would be in position to pass legislation that would
authorize $ 5, 000 to every American. Frankly, ladies and gentlemen, just
so you don't think that I am just parroting all
of the stuff that Trump says and going along with everything,
this would be incredibly inflationary and probably not.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Look, if the.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
$ 1, 500 stimulus checks that Joe Biden was giving out, and
by the way, Biden promised that if John Ossoff and
Raphael Warnock won the Senate runoff in Georgia, giving Democrats
the Senate majority, which they eventually did win, as Ossoff
and Warnock both won their runoff races in, what was it,

(52:28):
early January of 2021. that the $ 2, 000 stimulus checks would happen.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Well, it turned out it was.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
$ 1, 400, $ 1, 500, not $ 2, 000. And it was incredibly inflationary. What
do you think $ 10, 000 per married couple would do? $ 5, 000
for every person in this country. This would be the
dictionary definition of of the Milton Friedman helicopter drop of money.

(53:01):
I do not think this is a good idea. It's
probably also not going to happen. Much more on the
life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. Right now, though, Charlie Kirk,
a few years before his death, was actually asked.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
How do you want to be remembered? How do you
want to be remembered? If I die? Everything just goes away.
How would you, if you could be associated with one thing,
how would you want to be remembered? I want to
be remembered for courage for my faith. That would be
the most important thing. The most important thing is my
faith in my life.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Well, he certainly did. He died for the conviction that
he had. You see, for Charlie and for a lot
of people who do this, it's not just about politics.
It's not just about faith or culture. It is all
wrapped up into one broader worldview of The reason that
I think I'm so drawn to politics and so drawn

(53:56):
to constitutional law and the stuff that we talk about
here on the Dan O'Donnell Show and psychology and sociology,
philosophy is because it is all about getting to the
root of understanding the why of human existence. Why are
we the way that we are? Why do people think
and why do people do what they do? Why do

(54:17):
they think the way they think? That's the thing that really–
and then the biggest why that there is.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Why are we here?

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Why do we exist at all? Why is existence actually
a thing? I mean these are some of the deepest
questions that human beings can possibly ponder. And to try
to answer them is what a lot of people throughout
history have dedicated their life to and what Charlie I
think tried to dedicate his life to as well, making

(54:46):
this country, making this world beautiful. a little bit better
off by getting closer to the philosophy that has served
Western civilization and, by extension, all of humanity so, so
well that we have gotten so far afield from, propelled
by the false idol, the Baal of Marxist socialism. He

(55:10):
died for that conviction. He was gunned down by an
assassin's bullet, not an exploding microphone, not the Israeli military,
but by a deranged left-wing psychopath with a furry transgender boyfriend.
I don't know how that is so difficult for so

(55:34):
many people to believe or why Candace Owens is Well, actually,
I think the why of Candace Owens is very obvious.
It's because she's a narcissist, because she needs to have
everything revolve around her, and she needs to get attention
in this business, to draw attention to your philosophy, to

(55:56):
get more people, more eyeballs on you, more ears on you,
more people paying attention to.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
You in the TikTok-driven.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Short attention span mediascape that we know all exist in,
you need to say increasingly provocative stuff. You may have
noticed if you follow me on social media, by the way,
at Dan O'Donnell Show on X and Facebook, I have
been starting to clip the video of this show into
shorter bite-sized segments, which is how people consume the vast

(56:31):
majority of talk content. Look, I'm an old fart. I'm
45 years old. A lot of you folks listening to
me right now, we consume long-form content in a way
that younger generations don't. You heard me in the opening
segment of this show build the case systematically that State
Senate candidate Trevor Young has violated state law, has committed

(56:56):
misconduct in public office by doing a year's worth of
campaign work on public time. He works for the city
of Racine as its transportation director, and he's been campaigning
for State Senate while simultaneously– we have his time cards.
We have all of the records. He said, yes, I
worked a full day at the city of Racine today.
He was, in fact, going out and campaigning. A lot

(57:20):
of people won't listen to the 15, 20 minutes it
took to build that case. We'll clip it and you'll
have the 30 second, 45 second, maybe minute and a
half CliffsNotes version of what it was we were talking about. Well,
you might watch that. You might not. I might get
more followers. I might not. But if I say something

(57:41):
provocative like Charlie Kirk was killed by the Jews.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, that's going to grab some attention.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
And ultimately, Candace has been going deep into anti-Semitism for
a long time. So the increasingly bizarre conspiracy theory is
the one that the first lady of France is actually
a man. She said, well, the brother has not been
seen in public, and the brother actually became Brigitte Macron.

(58:09):
And no, the brother was at both of Emmanuel Macron's
investiture ceremonies, his swearing-in ceremonies.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Like, we've seen him.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
He's standing right there, Candace. What are you talking about? Then,
after that blew up in her face, she's getting sued
for a whole lot of money by the Macrons, and frankly,
that is like textbook defamation.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
It's folks, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
And this is the thing that I've never understood about
the Alex Jones's of the world. The truth is wild enough.
You don't need to extrapolate from that wild nonsense. Emmanuel Macron,
Brigitte Macron was dating Emmanuel when he was like 16
years old.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
That's creepy enough. Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
So then she moved on to the Charlie Kirk, uh,
conspiracy theory. And within probably two months, you had a
substantial number of people reject the idea that somehow Charlie
Kirk was killed by exactly who you would think Charlie

(59:18):
Kirk would be killed by, a deranged leftist. But instead,
he was killed in this dramatic conspiracy theory.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
All right.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
We were going to step aside for a break. But
now let's go with the, you know, we've got Brett
Galishevsky on the phone. He has got a new title,
I guess, National Enterprise Director for Turning Point Action. He
is my longtime friend, longtime director of Turning Point, Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Congratulations, sir. National Enterprise Director.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Director that's got a good that's got a good ring
to it break alice esky joining me from down in
dallas at the republican midterm convention how you doing sir.

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
Hey i'm good dan thank you for having me on
today i really appreciate that uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
the pleasure is all mine i wish it were under
better circumstances obviously uh... what has it been like today
within the turning point organization on such a horrible anniversary uh.

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
and you're right when you say that it is a
horrible anniversary it's a tough day for us at Turning Point.
It really marks the one-year point. And it's been a
really tough year for us, both from an emotional front
and just from a building front, having to build out
double and triple our infrastructure at Turning Point without Charlie
in our ear guiding the way. But I'll tell you,
we're finding a lot of solace in the thousands of

(01:00:41):
people that have reached out. We had a beautiful ceremony
this morning at our Phoenix headquarters where we actually unveiled
a Charlie statue of him, you know, that famous shot
minutes before he was killed of him throwing that hat.
Out in the crowd, it's beautiful. They had a great
tribute to him last night at the RNC Midterm Convention.
We'll have another one for him tonight. We as an organization,
I think the left thinks that they took out the

(01:01:02):
guy with the microphone. The reality of the situation is
that they have no idea what they've done. They've created
a revival on college campuses. So many young people coming
into the fold, and that's the torch that Charlie lit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Are you still seeing that a year later? Because I
know there was a massive explosion in Turning Point chapters,
Turning Point membership. Did that die down at all, or
is that still going strong?

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
Not even close to dying down. I mean, we're having
Turning Point events without Charlie, and hundreds, if not thousands
of students are still showing up. We're having a big
event in Utah tonight where we expect a couple thousand
students to show. So, You know, really, you're seeing now,
I think, for the first time, students that are no
longer afraid to sit in the shadows, sit in the
back of their classes. They're realizing because of Charlie's words

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that it's OK to be a conservative, that they're not alone.
And despite what their professors around them are saying, it's
OK for them to express their Christlike conservative values. So
you're seeing remnants of that all over the country.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
That's fantastic, because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I saw that initial revival of, you know, church going,
you saw young people turning to conservatism, turning to turning point.
And we were talking a little bit, and if you'd
rather not address this, I completely understand. But it seems
like that all sort of turned, that all sort of

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changed when you had that conspiracy theory sort of take hold.
When you had the Candace Owens fueled, oh, well, It
was Erica Kirk. I mean, just truly insane, deranged stuff
that you would expect from the left, right? But we
were getting it from our ostensible allies. Do you have

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a kind of reaction to that, just what the last
year has been like in terms of the reaction to
Charlie's death?

Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
And, you know, I'll say that. So there's, you know, TDS,
Trump derangement syndrome, and there's TPDS, turning point derangement syndrome.
That's always existed. The good news is, and I travel
all over the country. I travel a lot with Charlie.
You know, we saw these people, the fringe right often.
The good news is that it's a small number of
people that sometimes have the loudest voice. They are not

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nearly the majority of the conservative movement. We have a
movement to build. We're going to put on our blinders.
We've been putting on our blinders. The devil runs through distractions.
And we're going to keep building out this movement and
changing that next generation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
So I got to ask, you did spend a lot
of time with Charlie. I remember we talked immediately after
his passing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
You were very broken up about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
What is the thing you miss most about him, the person,
somebody you worked with, somebody that you knew, somebody that
you would consider a friend?

Speaker 7 (01:03:52):
Yeah, I learned a lot from Charlie. The best way
that I can describe Charlie is that he wasn't just
a leader. He was truly a visionary. He saw things
that others didn't. He had this rare ability about him
to take a small idea and turn it into something
a lot bigger than we ever could have imagined. And
really with Turning Point, what started on a few college campuses,

(01:04:13):
which I don't think a lot of people realized, the
first Turning Point USA chapter was actually the University of
Wisconsin-Madison chapter. That actually recently came to light. Eric, I
actually talked about it at his memorial service about a
year ago. Really? That he set up shop at.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
That is mind-blowing. I did not know that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
It doesn't get talked about enough. So Charlie's from the
Chicago suburbs, but recognized that if this was going to
gain any momentum, he needed to do it in a
swing state. And remember, at the time, this was the
state of Scott Walker, Reince Priebus, Paul Reince, a very
big Republican stronghold, versus a state like Illinois, where he
was from, that had liberal-controlled everything, including an attorney general

(01:04:52):
that could go after him for his 501c3 status. So
there was a lot of strategy involved with that. But
it exploded into a national force, and the ideas never
stopped with him. The work never slowed, and we'd clear
a major hurdle before anyone could catch their breath. It
was always Charlie to be the first one in the
room and say, okay, now let's build upon this and

(01:05:13):
do this, this, and this. Now let's parlay the success
of this win and do something even bigger. Let's become
the best in the movement at this. And that was
truly Charlie, relentless, just always his foot was on the gas,
always thinking three steps ahead. And so, you know, on
top of that, that, you know, I learned from him,
you know, I also learned the value of putting God
and family before politics. I met Charlie shortly after I

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graduated from Marquette, and I was a political science major,
so I was going to school with a bunch of
policy wonks, a lot of politicos, people who are part
of that D.C. swap apparatus now, who don't necessarily value
the same things that Charlie was talking about. So when
I met Charlie, and after my limited interaction with politics
up until that point, I met somebody similar to me

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in age talking about going to church first before knocking doors,
talking about putting your family and prioritizing that before anything else.
I said to myself, this is somebody that I would
run through a wall for, and it's been a privilege
to be part of it ever since.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Where does Turning Point go from here?

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
Well, so we are doing much bigger things off campus,
if you can believe it or not. So at Turning
Point Action, since Charlie's death, we've opened up offices in
Las Vegas, Nevada, and Manchester, New Hampshire. We're building what
we call the Red Wall, which was one of Charlie's visions.
We believe that a combination of Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, and

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New Hampshire is going to win us the presidency in 2028.
We've been pretty overt about this. Charlie and J.D. Vance
were really good friends. We're very much in the J.D.
Vance camp, so we believe that he's going to be
the candidate that best fits. carries that torch that Charlie lit.
So we're going to be doing more events this year.
We just endorsed Michael Alfonso, the congressional candidate in northern Wisconsin,

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25 years old, conservative, young, very Charlie-esque. So we're going
to keep supporting candidates that embody that mindset, and we're
going to keep building the red wall and hopefully keep
this Republican momentum rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Now, I've got to ask, Brett, because we haven't talked
in a while. Are you still in Wisconsin? Have you
moved out to Arizona? What are you up to lately?

Speaker 7 (01:07:14):
No, I'm still in Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Okay, that's what I thought.

Speaker 7 (01:07:17):
Yep, so Turning Point's headquarters number two. So our second
office that we opened up is in Waukesha, so I
operate out of there. I still live in Milwaukee County.
I travel a lot, actually, after the RNC midterms. I'm
going out to New Hampshire to work with former Dane
County GOP Chair Brandon Malley. He runs the cancer office
for Turning Point Action out there. He's doing great. So

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a lot of really cool things in the works. Wisconsin
is still home. I'm the vice chair of the Republican
Party in Milwaukee. That was something that Charlie always made
sure that was clear with me, that I could have
a national role that allows me to stay in my
hometown and work on the issues that I care about most.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Well, I'll tell you what, Brett, when things slow down
for you, which is probably going to be sometime around 2035,
you and I got to catch up, grab some lunch.
Please tell Brandon I say hi. Huge, huge fan of
him when he was the Dane County Republican Party chairman.
Huge fan of Turning Point's work. TPUSA.org is the website

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or TurningPoint.org. I'm a dinosaur, man. What's the website again?

Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
Yeah, it's tpaction.com or tpusa.com if there's any young people
listening that want to get involved in that movement. For
the young at heart, the off-campus folks, tpaction.com is where
you can find out about our many opportunities we have
in the Milwaukee area to get involved.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
All right, Brett, thank you so much. And my deepest condolences.
Thank you again for taking the time. All right, now
have fun at the convention tonight and honor Charlie's memory
by Really having a great time like we did at
the RNC in 2024, okay?

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
I will.

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
I will. Those were good times, Dan. I appreciate you
having me on. God bless.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You too, sir. He is Brett Galiszewski. My thanks again
to Brett Galiszewski.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
a national director with Turning Point USA. He is actually
a good friend of Charlie. He was with him almost
from the beginning. He's been with Turning Point for seven years.
I guess I did know that he was still With
the Milwaukee County Republican Party, there is– I didn't want
to bring this up in that interview, but there is

(01:09:23):
a longstanding battle between the Republican Party– I won't say
the Republican Party of Wisconsin. Well, actually, the Republican Party
of Wisconsin, the executive committee actually tried to do an
anti turning point resolution at its state conference, I want

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to say a year or two ago, because they were
concerned about people like Brett and the former chairman of
the Dane County GOP, Brandon Malley, who is now a
high ranking official at turning point, because they were concerned
that turning point officials were coming in and taking over
the party. Now, I do not– I try not to

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get involved in these civil wars on the conservative side.
I don't take sides in primaries. I don't get into
all of the drama here. I sort of try to
call balls and strikes. I kind of see that as
my role as being– Somebody who– what I always tell
people is I never know when I might be called
upon to moderate a debate. So I always have to

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be fair and I try to be fair to Democrats. Look,
I would love to have Trevor Young on to answer
the very serious allegations that I have made. about him
potentially committing crimes by doing a year's worth of campaigning
on public time when he was supposed to be working
as the city of Racine transportation director. He's been campaigning

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for state Senate. I would love to have him on.
I would take the entire five o'clock hour and talk
to Trevor Young. So I'm not going to get into
that battle, but that's sort of what's going on in
Wisconsin as it comes down to turning point and why
I hate to say it, but I think a lot

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of the grassroots movement, a big, big part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I shouldn't say that. I shouldn't say that. A lot
of the momentum that we had, that 2025 after the
big Trump win, it just, I can't help but feel
like a lot of it died with Charlie a year
ago today. We fell back into the squabbling. We fell
back into the same nonsense, the circular firing squad. I

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know that's a terrible analogy to use. And trust me,
it's not intentional. But the idea that we're at each
other's throats, we're blaming– they're blaming Charlie's widow. They're concocting
some insane story about how she was trying to take–
She was groomed to take over Charlie Kirk, who may

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have been a time traveler.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Do people have any idea how insane this sounds?

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
I'll tell you what, to end this hour, let's take
a listen to Charlie himself. This was from the 2024
Republican Convention in Milwaukee. He gave an incredible speech aimed
at young people.

Speaker 8 (01:12:26):
To all the Gen Zers watching this convention on TikTok
right now, I have a message just for you. You
don't have to stay poor. You don't have to accept
being worse off than your parents. You don't have to
feel aimless and unhappy. You don't have to support leaders
who lied to you and took advantage of you for
your vote. America's future is a series of choices. Our

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current state of slow motion national decline is a choice.
This November, We're going to choose success. We're going to
choose to put the future of Americans first. We are
going to choose to no longer be spectators this election.

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We together are going to do the work to save America.
We are going to choose to work harder than ever before.
to chase ballots, to vote early, to register new voters,
and all of us together working harder than ever, we
will fire the Biden-Harris regime and put Donald Trump back

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in the White House where he belongs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
God bless you guys. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
No doubt in my mind that young man would have
been president one day. No, absolutely no doubt in my mind,
if he wanted it. If he wanted to get involved
in actual elective office, that's how talented a politician, that's
how talented a speaker, an organizer that he was. And
you heard the themes there, the universal themes, the way

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he was able to galvanize young people who felt as
though they were left behind, that they were in far
worse shape than their parents were because you have an
entire generation of politicians who who put the interests of
illegal immigrants, getting millions of them into the country and
treating them like the first-class citizens that American citizens should be.

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The theme of last year's or two years ago's convention
was the forgotten Americans. And Generation Z, the people that
Charlie Kirk was able to rally and able to galvanize,
Charlie was a big reason that Generation Z males are
about the most conservative generation of young people in at
least a half a century. It's because they feel forgotten.

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They feel as though by virtue of their skin color,
by virtue of their sex, by virtue of their gender,
that they are the enemy. He said, no, we are Americans.
We are proud and we can choose to avoid this decline.
We'll be right back here on the Dan O'Donnell Show.
One day from today, the nation marks 25 years since 9-11.

(01:15:14):
We are, of course, here on the Dan O'Donnell Show.
going to do some remembrances, some tributes. We have got
an interview lined up with someone who is trying to
keep the memory of 9-11 alive for people who weren't
even alive to have experienced it. What's kind of amazing

(01:15:37):
to me is that a full one-third of the people
in this country, a hundred million people, were not alive
when 9-11 happened. That is, I mean, the passage of
time is inevitable, right? But for those of us who

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do remember everything about that day, I mean, it's shocking
just how much we remember.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
And do you know why that is?

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Why we remember things that there are some things that
are just seared in our minds and It's because of
the way the brain processes everyday things. It's the same
reason that when you get older, it feels like time
is moving so much faster. It's because our brains have

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much more information to carry. So there are more days
that we just sort of, if it's a day like
every other day where you go to work, maybe, you know,
go out to lunch with one of your coworkers, you
go have a beer with your buddy before you go home,
you watch TV with your wife, you go to bed

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by 1030. It's all pretty routine, right? Your brain doesn't remember.
It doesn't keep that information because there are some things
that our brain just has to remember. Like the day
your children are born. I guarantee you can remember a
ton about those days. I just actually, weirdly enough, Maybe

(01:17:12):
why I'm thinking about this. Last night, just saw a video,
I think on Facebook Reels or something like that. As
I always say, I don't do doom scrolling, ladies and gentlemen.
I do joy scrolling. I look at memes. I try
to make myself laugh. My oldest son, who's now out
at college, he and I will send each other funny

(01:17:32):
stuff that we come across. Of course, conservative memes and stuff,
but just anything and everything. But I came across one
that really stuck with me. Why you can remember walking
home alone in a foreign city. Like if you go to, say,
Rome and you're walking home, you'll remember every detail because

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it's something different. Your brain says, hey, this is information
that we need to keep because it's not like other information.
Your brain reacts to different stimuli. The reason you can
still remember 9-11 25 years later like it was yesterday
is because it was so different from everything else your
brain had ever experienced before. Really interesting physiological and psychological

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concept there. And that's one of the big reasons. That's
why if you ask what.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
60, what is 2026, 63 years.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Since the John F. Kennedy assassination, why so many people
can still remember? I'm, I think, going to go maybe
watch the football game tonight with my dad. I'm going
to ask him if he can still remember exactly where
he was when JFK was assassinated.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
I'll bet he can. I'll bet he can.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
63 years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Later, he's 80 years old.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
He was 17. I guarantee you can remember exactly where
he was. Then I'll mess with him because he's so old.
I said, do you remember? Do you remember when the
first shots were fired at Fort Sumter starting the Civil War, Dad?

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
So yeah, tomorrow we are going to get into 9-11 remembrances.
I know it's going to be a full day. We
also have a couple of big stories that we're going
to break. I'm hoping I'll have enough information to go
with them tomorrow. Again, big story we broke today. Trevor Young,
who is the City of Racine Transportation Director, he is

(01:19:25):
also a highly regarded Democrat candidate for the state Senate,
almost certainly committed felony misconduct in public office by spending
a full year campaigning for the state Senate while putting
on his time card that he was working his day job.
This is misconduct. The John Doe investigation into Milwaukee County

(01:19:49):
when Scott Walker was county executive. Unless we are willing
to admit more than 15 years later, Libs, that that
was nothing more than a political witch hunt, I assume
you will have a similar standard of disdain and similar
desire to throw the book At young hotshot superstar in

(01:20:09):
the making politician Trevor Young for his very obvious crimes.
If Kelly Reinfleisch. committed misconduct in public office, the deputy
chief of staff for county executive Scott Walker by coordinating
fundraisers from her desk in the county executive's office for
Walker's run for governor, then absolutely Trevor Young saying that

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he was working all day for Racine while actually attending
fundraisers in Greendale, Franklin and Caledonia is 100 percent criminal misconduct.
The complete story is up. at the Heartland Post, heartlandpost.com.
You can find it on my social media or at
the Heartland Post social media at heartlandpostwi or the Heartland

(01:20:56):
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at iheartmedia.com. Just within the last hour, the University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee Police Department announced that it is discontinuing the use

(01:21:20):
of flock cameras. This comes the same day that the
Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty filed a lawsuit in
Waukesha Circuit Court over multiple local governments' use of flock
license plate readers and cameras. The suit targets 11 cities

(01:21:41):
and villages in Waukesha County, including Oconomowoc, Muskego, New Berlin, Brookfield, Waukesha,
multiple other entities, as well as Waukesha County itself. It
was brought on behalf of local taxpayers, homeowners, and citizens groups,
including No Cam's Muskego. There are more than 120 flock

(01:22:03):
cameras in the county.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Will argues.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
that the warrantless searches of the flock location database files
violate the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches. Now, for
those who are still new to this debate, and it
popped up almost out of nowhere within the last three
or four weeks, but this has sort of been bubbling

(01:22:28):
under the surface for months, if not the last year
or more. Flock's cameras will capture the license plate of
your car. It will take photos of your car, including
details like bumper stickers that make it instantly identifiable. And
it will track your car's movement because the reason it's

(01:22:49):
called Flock, it's a flock of cameras, right? So there
is cameras that will basically follow your car around. as
it moves throughout, in this case, Waukesha County. Police can
query the system, meaning they can actually look into what
data the cameras show for your car locally, regionally, or

(01:23:11):
even nationwide. And the big controversy is they can do
so in most cases without a warrant or without even
showing probable cause. What the Flock database can do is,
using AI, it can reconstruct your travel history over a
period of 30 days. According to Flock's own materials presented

(01:23:36):
to municipalities who would partner with the company, it can
also help to predict future movements of that vehicle. This
is hugely controversial. Now, Will says in a statement accompanying
the lawsuit, it does not want to ban the use
of the cameras, but rather asks Waukesha County's Circuit Court

(01:24:01):
to require a warrant for a recognized exception, or a
recognized exception, I should say, such as some sort of
emergency before a law enforcement officer can search the database.
this would be very very similar actually we're we're talking
about nine eleven this is very similar to a controversy

(01:24:24):
that arose in post nine eleven america as we got
to a situation in which cell phones became ubiquitous smartphones
the the apple iphone just released its first folding for
act still don't get why people are going so crazy
over these folding phones To me, the crease in the

(01:24:46):
glass when the phone is not folded looks so ugly.
I just don't think I could ever do it. But yeah, no,
this is the big thing. And the big thing is
now you can show, so let's say you're taking, Apple
is just so perfectly advertising this phone.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Let's say you're taking the ad.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
There's a woman who is posing next to a fountain,
like a big, you know, fountain. The boyfriend's taking her
picture and she is basically instructing him because she can
see on one side of the camera what he is
seeing on his side of the camera. I, I, the

(01:25:30):
joke is that this is going to end so many
relationships that so many so-called Instagram boyfriends are going to
be so awful at taking pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
The girl, the girlfriends are just going to, no, no,
to the left. No tilt up, up. No, that's down.
Tilt it up. That, Men are just going to be
tired of this. I just don't see the allure of it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
But once the iPhone was put into mass circulation in 2007,
I would say by about 2010, it became ubiquitous. You
had very serious concerns. And then, of course, you had
in 2013, the NSA spying scandal where the NSA was
using cell phone metadata. So There has always been, but

(01:26:16):
especially 2010 to about 2013, about 15 years ago, there
was always concern about searches of cell phone location data,
cell phone metadata, like who you are calling. There were
cases going all the way back to 2002, 2003, where
anti-terrorism units were law enforcement seeking to stop terrorism were

(01:26:41):
using what's known as pen trap and trace data in
order to try to get into who it was that
cell phones were calling, especially if they were numbers out
of the country because they were trying to potentially plan
terror attacks. Well, if you do this without a warrant,
warrantless wiretaps was a huge controversy during the Bush administration.

(01:27:06):
in post 9-11 America. Well, now we have technology. I mean,
just imagine this. We have technology that has the potential
to palantir. It's a company that predicts.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
They say they.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Can predict terror attacks. They can predict threats to the
American homeland. Well, we have a very real civil liberties
concern here where you can be looking at data of
a car's movement without any reasonable suspicion that the driver

(01:27:40):
of that car committed any crimes. The counter to this though,
is that you don't ever have a reasonable expectation of
privacy when you're driving in your car on public roads.
You see, this is a very, very thorny situation. If

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you make an individual observation of a car on a
public road, a case from 1983 that the Supreme Court decided,
United States v. Knotts, provides that that's not a mosaic search, right?

(01:28:26):
That's not a search of, you know, you're not being tracked.
You're not being surveilled. What happens, though, if you aggregate
a whole bunch of individual observations into a predictive.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Record of someone's life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
There's another case called usv jones from 2012 if you
have prolonged gps tracking of a vehicle that's considered a
search and That would require a warrant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
What we have now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Is technology that sort of fits into that gray area.
I would argue that the civil libertarian side of me
says to access this stuff unless it's an emergency, unless, say,
there is– I don't even know what would be off
the top of my head, an emergency that wouldn't have

(01:29:24):
probable cause. For example, if a car is seen speeding
away from a homicide, that's probable cause right there. So
you can get a warrant if there's no time for
a warrant. An officer can make a probable cause showing
that can be subsequently upheld in court. It is admittedly
a gray area that courts are going to have to very,

(01:29:48):
very quickly decide here. But if you think about it, Flock,
the Advanced License Plate Reader or ALPR camera network, is
actually a whole lot closer to something we already have
in the form of a traffic camera. The Department of

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Transportation here in the state of Wisconsin operates a massive
network of cameras that can be accessed very easily and
can be used to track the movements of somebody suspected
in a crime or not suspected in a crime without
a warrant. We're going to get into that aspect of this.
A fascinating debate that was just really launched into the

(01:30:36):
stratosphere by both this lawsuit and Pretty much, I would say, what, Racine,
Fond du Lac County both announcing late last week they're
not going to use Flock. UW-Madison, or excuse me, UW-Milwaukee
just an hour ago saying it's not going to use Flock.
This debate is really, really heating up. We're going to
get back to banning Flock cameras on campus. It's police

(01:31:00):
department no longer going to use them. It is telling
Flock cameras. Get all your cameras and advanced license plate
readers off, or excuse me, automated license plate readers. I
keep saying advanced license plate readers, automated license plate readers.
ALPR is the technical name for this type of camera,
this type of software, this type of technology. Flock is

(01:31:25):
the company name. Not only that, the Wisconsin Institute for
Law and Liberty has sued pretty much every single municipality
in Waukesha County, including Waukesha County itself, to force the
use of warrants or to force law enforcement agencies to
get a probable cause finding in order to access ALPR

(01:31:50):
or flock data. Will says it's not trying to get
the cameras banned. Look, I love Will. I love the
Wisconsin Institute of Law and Liberty. I think they do
incredible work. They're by far the best law firm in Wisconsin. Clearly,
the practical effect of lawsuits like this is to get
rid of flock. I mean, what do you think municipalities

(01:32:10):
are going to do? As soon as there's a judgment
against one of them, they're all going to just disable
their systems. They're going to instruct law enforcement not to
use them. That's the practical effect. What if I told
you Flock helped solve one of the most notorious murders

(01:32:33):
in recent Milwaukee history? The killing and dismemberment of Sade Robinson.
Last year, Maxwell Anderson was convicted of first-degree intentional homicide,
hiding and mutilating a corpse. After the April 2024 killing
of the young woman, 19 years old, they had a

(01:32:53):
first date and and traffic cameras, poll cameras, and ALPRs
played a key role in reconstructing the movement of Robinson's
car after it left Anderson's home. Robinson and Anderson were
last seen together on surveillance video leaving a bar. They

(01:33:17):
arrived at his home the evening of April 1st, 2024.
Neighbor cameras Other cameras from the area showed activity at
the house into the early morning of April 2nd. At
1247 a.m., a camera, a ring doorbell camera to be precise,

(01:33:38):
showed her red Honda Civic leaving the area. Investigators then
used city traffic cameras, utility pole cameras, and those license
plate readers to follow the car for several hours. How
did they confirm that the car was Robinson's? How did

(01:33:59):
they confirm that that was the Honda Civic that was
registered to Sade Robinson? Because of license plate readers. It
goes through the city of Milwaukee. It goes through downtown.
It ends up at Warnemont Park in Cudahy. It remains
there for an extended period of time. Robinson's severed leg

(01:34:21):
later found in that park. There was nothing tying Maxwell
Anderson to the murder of Sade Robinson other than the
fact that he was the last person to see her alive.
It was known that she was on a date with
Maxwell Anderson. Her phone went back to Anderson's home. After that,

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there was no DNA data. There was no evidence. There
was none of her blood, say, in Maxwell Anderson's house.
In her car, there was nothing. There was no physical evidence.
There was nothing. In fact, the case was very unique
because there was no direct tie between Maxwell Anderson and

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the murder of Sade Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Prosecutors need to needed to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Make the case by inference that the person who was
driving Sade Robinson's car, who went to the exact location
where her severed leg was found. And by the way,
there was after in the morning, there was a person
matching Anderson's description, walking near the area where the civic

(01:35:36):
was found burned out. Then there is a person who
is clearly Maxwell Anderson seen boarding a bus from the
camera on board that Milwaukee County bus. There was no
camera that showed Anderson's face driving the car. But because
of the license plate readers, because of the path, the timestamps, everything.

(01:36:00):
prosecutors were able to first police were able to make
this case. Look, this car is going here. It's staying
at Warnemont park for a long period of time. What
do you suppose he is doing at Warnemont park? He
is clearly dismembering the body. Remember the body parts were
washing up on shore at Warnemont park because he had

(01:36:22):
clearly dismembered the body and he had thrown the pieces
of the body in the Lake Michigan. Prosecutors were able
to make that case via inference because of the evidence
provided by the license plate reader. The argument is that
if you take away that tool, there is no chance
that Maxwell Anderson is ever convicted because there was no

(01:36:45):
evidence tying him to that murder simultaneously.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Well, wait a second.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Shouldn't we then make sure that we're getting, oh, I
don't know. a warrant for this because there's clearly probable
cause here, right? Maxwell Anderson is the last person to
see Sade Robinson. She goes on a date with him
and then she never returns. Her Honda Civic is seen

(01:37:15):
like police were able to go to the neighbor's ring
doorbell cameras. They're provided with that data, and they say, OK, well,
the Honda Civic is here. We don't see Sade again.
And the Honda Civic is eventually found burned in, what
was it, the north side of Milwaukee, south side of Milwaukee, somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
It was in Milwaukee, and it was burned out the
next morning. How did it get there?

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Well, clearly you can go get a warrant because there's
probable cause or at least reasonable suspicion that whomever was
driving Sade Robinson's car around was very likely the person
who killed and dismembered her. And since we can paint
that picture, since we can use all of those cameras

(01:38:00):
to track Maxwell Anderson, it's very obviously Maxwell.

Speaker 7 (01:38:03):
Anderson, right?

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
The flip side of that is, well, what about somebody
who didn't just commit a murder? What about somebody who
just happened to be dating, say, a Milwaukee police officer?
The potential for abuse of ALPRs is very, very, very strong.

(01:38:29):
And that's not just a hypothetical. A Milwaukee police officer did,
in fact, access Flock's camera database more than a hundred
times to stalk Paramore. That's lover for those of you
in Rio Stalas. That's where it becomes a big issue.

(01:38:52):
I don't want to sound like a squish here, but
I sort of see both sides. In fact, I think
this is one of the healthiest, best debates we can
have because this gets down to the very elemental questions
that we should be asking as a citizenry. Should we
be free from unreasonable searches and seizures and what constitutes

(01:39:17):
an unreasonable search? The standard in cases like this is
a case from 2018. It's a U.S. Supreme Court case,
Carpenter v. United States. It was a cell phone location case,
so it didn't have anything to do with flock cameras,

(01:39:37):
but it's very, very similar. Law enforcement accessing seven days
of historical cell site location information is a search requiring
a warrant because, quote, any record that reveals the whole
of a person's physical movements is a search that would

(01:40:01):
require a warrant. Is an ALPR, is that entire network
that can see, okay, now he's on this camera, now
he's on this camera, and flocks data, the accessing of
the system can tell you, exactly where your car was moved.
Is that the whole of your data? Well, flocks location

(01:40:24):
database does something very, very similar. And in fact, sometimes it,
in many respects, it does more because it's actually offering
predictive technology. It's offering the predictive ability to say, Oh, Hey,
he's gone here. Let's say he goes to the gym
at 1145 every morning and He's probably going to go,

(01:40:47):
if I'm a betting man, based on all of these movements,
the database can tell you he is almost certain to
go to the gym at 11.45 today. You can actually get,
via the Flock database, a 30-day travel history of a
given vehicle. That would probably constitute the whole of a

(01:41:08):
person's physical movements. So you're probably looking at if I
were to come down on this, I would come down
on the necessity of a warrant. That said, when you
don't have clearly defined regulations, you get all of these lawsuits.
The practical effect is that so many municipalities are going

(01:41:32):
to stop the use of the flock camera system. that
nobody is going to be like flock itself potentially goes
out of business because it simply cannot sustain the massive
cost it takes to operate this camera system in this
vast database. You're listening to the Dano doc. Fascinating debate

(01:41:52):
on flock cameras that I am absolutely certain is not true.
over stay tuned much more on it coming in the
next days weeks and months here on the dan o'donnell
show and i know a lot of people have strong
i want to actually take phone calls on that we
don't have time today obviously but the next time there

(01:42:13):
is a significant flock debate.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
I think I would love to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
I've been going back and forth with a number of
people on our text line, Carpetland USA Flooring Center text line.
We don't always take a whole lot of phone calls
because we've always got a ton, and I mean a ton,
of stuff to do on each day's program.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
But we generally don't have time to take a lot
of phone calls.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
But I am always trying to check out what people
are saying on the text line.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
I try to answer.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
So people are making fantastic points on the flock debate.
I mean, this is something that's not a very easily
defined issue. This is not simple black, white, right, wrong, right, left.
That dichotomy sort of goes away. There are very compelling
constitutional arguments. to be made that this is a dramatic

(01:43:07):
and serious violation of Fourth Amendment search rights. There is
also a very good argument to be made that there
is no reasonable expectation of privacy. When you get into
your car, you are going to be on a Department
of Transportation camera. When I am walking in, I do
not have a reason. I'm on camera right now, for

(01:43:29):
goodness sake. I do not have, when I'm at work,
when you are in public, I could make the case
there's no reasonable expectation of privacy pretty much anywhere you go.
That said, when there's technology that can basically follow everything
that you do, well, that probably rises to the level

(01:43:52):
of something that over the course of a 30-day mosaic
and the data can actually predict where you're going to
go next, that's probably something you need a warrant for.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
All right, big news.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Today for the Green Bay Packers. Running back Josh Jacobs
moved up his court hearing from November to today, so
you knew this was likely going to happen. He pleads
no contest today to misdemeanor charges of battery and criminal
damage to property stemming from an incident in May at
his home. This resolves his criminal case just days before

(01:44:27):
the start of the NFL's regular season for the Packers.
NFL kicked off last night. Packers open up the season
in Minnesota on Sunday afternoon. Jacobs appeared in Brown County
Circuit Court this morning. He entered the pleas under an
agreement with prosecutors convicted on the battery charge.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
He was ordered to pay a.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
$ 1, 000 fine plus court costs on the criminal damage to
property charge. The court accepted a deferred judgment agreement. Proceedings
are suspended for 12 months, and the charge is dismissed
if Jacobs meets the conditions of that, a review hearing
set for a year from today. He is not allowed

(01:45:05):
to commit any further crimes. That's usually a standard one.
He cannot have any contact with the victim. He must
be supervised through criminal justice services, undergo counseling, and pay restitution.
District Attorney David Lassay did not seek jail time, citing Jacobs'
lack of a prior record. Both charges were Class A misdemeanors.

(01:45:27):
They carried a possible maximum penalty of nine months in
jail and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
A $ 10, 000 fine.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Jacobs' attorneys in a statement, with this agreement, Josh has
accepted responsibility for his conduct and resolved this matter.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Why did they all want.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
This to be resolved as quickly as possible? Because it's
very clear Jacobs is going to be suspended by the NFL.
The question is when and for how many games. The
standard in domestic violence cases, and it is notable that
Jacobs was not convicted with a domestic violence enhancer. In Wisconsin,

(01:46:10):
we do not have say domestic battery. We would have
battery with a modifier, which makes it a more severe
crime if it is a domestic violence crime. That's how
we do domestic violence in Wisconsin criminal law. There was
not a no contest. And no contest, by the way,
does not admit guilt. It's somewhat of a distinction without

(01:46:36):
a difference. A guilty plea means you accept. You'd say, yes,
I did all of the things you accused me of.
A no contest plea means you admit nothing, but you say,
I am not going to contest the charges against me.
It has the same effect. You are convicted, but This
allows Jacobs to say, no, I did not admit any guilt.

(01:47:00):
The NFL, though, is not bound by the same evidentiary
standards or bound by the same rules, obviously, as the
criminal justice system. It can impose any suspension that it
sees fit. Jacobs can take the league to arbitration, which
will invariably happen if he gets what is likely to
be a six-game suspension. It's usually between four and six

(01:47:22):
games for domestic violence issues. But Jacobs, I think, would
be able to successfully appeal and say, look, there was
no domestic violence per se. Yes, it arose out of
a domestic dispute. Yes, I was convicted of battery, but
there was no domestic violence enhancer. Hey, NFL, why don't

(01:47:45):
we just settle on a three-game suspension?

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
Let's split the difference. I believe, was it Alvin Kamara?

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
The new Orleans saints running back years ago had a
very similar situation. It resulted in a three game suspension.
My guess is they are trying Jacobs. His team is
desperately trying to get that three game suspension for the
first three games of the NFL season. And then he's
allowed to play the rest. You're listening to the Dan

(01:48:13):
O'Donnell show. OK, can we seriously petition the NFL to never,
ever allow the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks
to play a football game again? Because that was about
as boring a game as it for a game that
went right down to the wire and a number of
lead changes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
It was dull.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Welcome back to the Dan O'Donnell show, the rematch of
the Super Bowl, which was not the best Super Bowl
ever played. In fact, that game was a dud as well.
The Seahawks win the rematch as well. The big story
out of the NFL season opener last night, Sam Darnold
plays just what, six snaps, throws six passes. It was

(01:48:56):
a very, very short appearance for him. And the Seahawks
do believe he suffered a hip injury. It was originally
feared to be what is a torn labrum, which would
have easily put him out for the season. Seahawks, at
least initially, the latest I have seen, is they believe
they dodged a bullet. He is going to miss some time,
but not the entire season. As we said, we think

(01:49:20):
we have some clarification on the Packers' big absence news.
It's not going to be an injury absence, but it is.
An absence for a likely suspension. Josh Jacobs copying that
plea deal today. Pleads no contest to the misdemeanor charges
against him. We talked about that a little bit in

(01:49:40):
the previous segment. And he is likely going to be,
if I had to guess, between four and six games,
I think he's going to be hit with a six-game suspension,
immediately appeal, and then the NFL will settle at three games.
Whole reason that he... that he wanted to move this
up was so that he could move it past him

(01:50:03):
and that he could get onto the field as quickly
as possible. So tonight in game number two of the
NFL's two-night season opening doubleheader, it is going to be
the Los Angeles Rams taking on the San Francisco 49ers
in Australia. This one's going to be played in Melbourne
about an hour and a half from right now. Folks,

(01:50:26):
if you are a football, no Brewers game tonight. They
open up a three-game series against the Reds tomorrow night
at American Family Field, one of the last home series
of the year before the playoffs start. So no Brewers
baseball to interfere, but you can watch a team that
I really do believe is likely going to be the

(01:50:48):
Super Bowl representative for the NFC. This is a good,
good L.A.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Rams team.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Now, watch.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Just by virtue of me saying that, the Niners are
going to beat them, like, by 21 points or something
like that to make it look like I know absolutely
nothing about football. But I did draft Brock Bowers in
the second round of our work league fantasy football draft.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
Can we?

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
The guy has a meniscus surgery. Brock Bowers is the
stud tight end for Las Vegas.

Speaker 7 (01:51:19):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Okay. And I'm thinking, all right, you know what? Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Maybe I drafted him in the third round. I had
like the last pick or something like that. So there's
nobody left. All right, I'm going to take the tight end.
He apparently needed a meniscus cleanup surgery last Tuesday. And
they don't tell anybody until late the afternoon before the

(01:51:45):
start of the NFL season. So everybody who has taken
him in fantasy football is absolutely shafted by virtue of him.
Likely they're saying one to two weeks. And if there's
one thing I know about injuries, especially anything having to
do with the knee, I myself had a pretty serious
knee surgery a couple of months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
It is nothing is quick. All right, I'm going to
take a while.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Guess Brock Bowers might be a little bit better of
an athlete than I am.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Maybe, just maybe. It's what, I'm four months post-op?

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Almost four months post-op, and I can barely start running
in a straight line now and feel comfortable doing that. Now,
this apparently was a lot less serious than the torn
ACL that I suffered, but still, still. This is why
I hate fantasy football.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
But I hate it as well, those injuries. All right,
we are out of time here on the Dan O'Donnell Show.
Back tomorrow, we are going to have extensive tributes to 9-11.
We are going to mark 25 years since the day that,
in a very real sense, changed the world forever. Much,
much more to get to as well. It all starts
tomorrow afternoon here on the Dan O'Donnell Show.

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