A Question of Accountability

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The state legislature is demanding answers from the Milwaukee Election
Commission after yet another debacle, this time in last Tuesday's
Democratic gubernatorial primary election. The chairman of the Assembly Committee
on Campaigns and Elections sent a letter this morning saying, Hey,
Paulina Gutierrez, chairwoman of the City of Milwaukee Election Commission,

(00:25):
give us answers to these eight questions, because it is
really starting to look like a pattern of either incompetence
or theoretically worse. We're going to dive into that in
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in Ohio and really sets the stakes very effectively for
this mid term election. Meanwhile, a new poll out today,
not just in the gubernatorial race, but also on the

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state of play here in Wisconsin. Is it possible that maybe,
just maybe the national trends aren't nearly as bad for
Republicans as they might have initially seemed. We will get
into that, and I promise we're not going to obsess
over every single poll that comes out in August ahead

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of a November election, and in fact, in fact, since
everyone is already pre obsessing with the Marquette University Law
School poll, the first one in the general election coming
out on Wednesday, we're going to look back through history,
at least recent history of the Marquette University Law School
poll and figure out exactly how accurate it's been in

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August and why it is that it's always the Democrat
who sees SEMs to be doing way better. It's not
because the poll is skewed. It's not because the pollster
Charles Franklin is crooked. There are real, quantifiable reasons that
the more left wing you are, the far more likely

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you are to answer a poll in the summertime, and
we will dive into that later on here on the
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north of Milwaukee and it did not do it. It
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we always do here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. Do
you think it's a little weird, ladies and gentlemen, that
it's now Friday and all of the coverage of the
chaos at State Fair dissipated. By about Tuesday, we had
roving mobs of marauding thugs make their way through the

(03:47):
State Fairs midway, amusement rides and games area known as
Spin City, and people were hopping fences, were storming the
gates like it's the bestille and look for people to
beat up. This was a continuation of what appears to
be a long standing tradition at Milwaukee events that date

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back dates back at least fifteen to twenty years after
there were Wilin' out incidents that shut down River Splash
following a shooting many years ago. We had a similar
incident fifteen years ago at State Fair in which marauding
mobs of teenagers beat and these were almost all black

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teenagers looking for white people to attack on the opening
night of State Fair, pulling them out of their cars
as they were on eighty fourth Street, Producer Dave Michaels manning.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
The Producer's booth today.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes, it was off the grounds, and a lot of
what happened on Sunday was off the grounds as well.
This also happened at Summerfest, and this was an incident
that was not nearly as widely covered. A few years later.
I happen to know about it because my father in
law was trapped in it at the time, sixty seven

(05:09):
sixty eight year old man. He was getting out of
a concert at the then Marcus Amphitheater now amfam and
as the teenagers, again almost all black, almost all coming
from the direction of the amusement rides, which were replaced
by the Bmo Harris Pavilions some years ago, were looking

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for white people to punch. They were running through the
grounds of State Fair, just randomly attacking white people. My
father in law was fortunate that he was not struck,
but he saw the entire thing go down. This apparently
is just a thing that happens in inner city almost

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unanimously black culture, and there is just no way to
avoid this. You are not seeing mobs of Hispanic teenagers,
mobs of white teenagers, Asian teenagers who are going to
a public event with the specific intention of being violent
and intimidating, and it's almost invariably ignored ladies and gentlemen.

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I have found video, which apparently was posted to TikTok
that was widely shared ahead of the chaos on Sunday night,
of several people who are putting together a list of quote,
five things to do at the Wisconsin State Fair. Now,

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the funniest thing of all is that they have five
things to do with the Wisconsin State Fair.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
They list like three. So it's sort of.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Like you remember that scene in Home Alone where Buzz,
the dumb older brother says nothing is going to happen
for three reasons, A, two, and D. Right, this is
like five things to do with the state Fair. Here's
three of them. This, as I understand, it was recorded

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right before you know what went down. The young man
and he's joined by several of his friends. It looks
like there are cuts in the video. So he's talking
to people about what they are going to do at
the Wisconsin State Fair, Like, what do you do at
the state Fair? Now, Dave, did you get to the
state Fair with your family this year? You did not

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get to the state Fair? Your family went? You didn't? Man,
we really are working you way too many hours. You
couldn't get to the state fair. Once Dave says, stop
going on listener trips. I got back right before a
state fair started. Oh wait, maybe I didn't. No, I
got back. I got back like a week before, a

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couple of days before a state fair. Sorry, yeah, I guess.
Then Ben Yatt left. Okay, okay, you couldn't even make
it down on the land last night to just randomly
beat up some people.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
What kind of state fair fan are you?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Day now? When you go to the state Fair, when
you go to the state prairer, I want you to think,
what are like the top five things that you do?
And since this is apparently what we do now, you
only have to list three of them. You've got to
go to the Expo center right, look at the amazing products.
Buy a cream puff that's a big one. See the

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animals that's another. Go down the giant slide. Pig races
are always fun. The Wisconsin Products Pavilion. I'm a huge
fan of the Products Pavilion. We always make a point
to go and have food there. Yeah, the sas is
sampler is always so much. So many things to do
because you are not a sociopath. The five things to

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do at the Wisconsin State Fair if you are a
sociopath who is not particularly good at math include beating
the leap out of people wearing a shisty, which is
sort of like a ski mask popularized by the rapper
Pooh Shisty.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
How do I know this? Because I have two teenage sons.
How do you think I know this?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Do you think?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Do you think I'm just randomly listening to Pooh Shisty
on my iHeartRadio?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I wasn't well. I was on tichok.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
This was sent to me by someone who said, look
This is how coordinated this stuff was. That these videos
were all over saying not just come on down to
the fair, but why would you wear a shisty? As
this young thug points out, it is to look as

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intimidating as possible. Now, I'm going to play this because
of the background noise and because of well, frankly, just
the inability to hear what this guy and his friends
are saying. I'm gonna you're gonna hear it, and then
I'm going to try to interpret.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
As best as I can.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now, I will point out we had Dave and producer
armand Serian all in my office listening to this to
make sure we got every swear word. If there is
something that you hear that I didn't, please let me know.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
FCC.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
If you are listening, well, because it's it's some of
this stuff, it's impossible to hear what this guy says.
Dave is already going to the delay. We don't need
the delay. I think we got every swear word. But
this is why the sociopath crowd goes to the state fair.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
How fi Dasa Estate far and Milwaukee wasn't aid of
the ol and I gotta I got on my wasn't
I'm saying, no, what ust.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Fair and miwak.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Come beat invite you? Gottavite you here, don't he know s.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Gotta fight.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
You gotta the.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Person you've been looking for, beating that you bring. If
you don't bring a size, then they'll come here. Be
easy to win a mask home.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
You gotta dass.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
There snap you saying don't come here snash then but
you don't.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
All right?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
So the five things to do at the Wisconsin State Fair.
Did you catch this? So for next year? For next year, one,
you have to fight. You have to go down there
and you have to fight. If you see someone you
do not care for, you have to beat his rear end.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Second thing, you have to wear a shisty. You have
to look into imidating. You need to look as intimidating
as possible. Don't come without your sisty. This also is
very helpful in not being identified by the police and
you not getting arrested. Third thing is if you see

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someone who is wearing a gold chain, snatch it off
his neck. Now number three will very likely lead to
number one. If you are running through the state Fair
wearing your sisty and snatching a gold chain off somebody's neck.
Chances are he is going to try to fight you.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Folks. This is exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Why is it that we are pretending that this is
somehow just poor kids who don't have any social programs
and don't have anything constructive to do. There is not
enough midnight basketball in the world to entice people like

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this to actually follow societies, not just laws, but more's
norms and cultural standards. And to pretend that this sort
of sociopathic behavior is because of someone's socioeconomic status, that
this is somehow caused by poverty, or that this is

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somehow caused by race, is about as shortsighted and as
stupid as it possibly gets. Similarly, the idea that this
was caused because we didn't have adequate security at state
Fair Park misses the point entirely and intentionally. Several days

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after this happened in David Crowley's Milwaukee County, he finally
was asked about it, and of course he blamed the
Republicans in the Wisconsin legislature.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
Let's be very clear, you know, State Fair is actually
controlled by the State of Wisconsin, which is controlled by
the Republican controlled legislature, and so you know, at the
end of the day, we want to make sure that
we're providing safe space, is working directly hand in hand,
not just with law enforcement, but our community violence interrupters
in general, to to make sure that nothing is going
out of hand. But at the end of the day,

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as County Executive, I work with all of our local
municipalities to make sure that they have the resources that
they need.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yes, this was clearly a result of the State Fair
police force not having the resources that they need and
not a widespread culture in David Crowley's Milwaukee County of
people believing that they can do things like this with impunity,
because well, they can do things like this with impunity.

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Just as David Crowley refuses to take accountability for helping
to foster this air of invincibility that Milwaukee's thugs feel like,
these are the same people who are out there when
State Fair isn't going on stealing cars. The Kia Boys
remember their reign of terror a few years back. Well,

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Tommy g a YouTuber who we actually had on the show,
interviewed the Kia Boys interviewed they actually went down to
inner city Milwaukee, something that no other intrepid reporter for
any TV station, newspaper, radio station, anything would do. I
was actually just incating. Well, Dan, why didn't you do it?

(15:40):
I was forbidden by my wife.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Eh.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
She said, as much as you annoy me, sometimes I
don't want to see you murdered by the Kia boys.
I said, you know what, that's fair. I love you too.
I don't have the street cred that Tommy G has.
So he just goes right up to the Kia boys.
Remember this is David Crowley is Milwaukee County Executive is

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twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. He asks them, why
do you steal cars? Because ain't nothing gonna happen to us.
Tommy G is incredulous and says, wait, you can steal
a bunch of cars and you don't go to jail.
They said, yeah, yeah, you're right back out on the streets.

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What do you think if a sixteen seventeen year old
kid knows that in David Crowley's Milwaukee County, in Cavalier
Johnson's city of Milwaukee, there is not a damn thing
that is going to happen to you if you steal
a car, if you run wild through the state, Fair.
You're going to do it because you want to do it.

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What is the thing ultimately that keeps everybody else in society,
regardless of race, regardless of socioeconomic status, regardless of demographic
group from doing this Fear of punishment. Yes, Dave, that's
right one. The fact that the big one is fear

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of punishment. We believe very strongly that if we act
in an anti social way, that we're going to be
punished for it.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
We believe our lives will be ruined.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Even if we get a slap on the wrist with probation,
we're going to be humiliated for the rest of our lives.
Because Dave Michaels was caught wearing a sisty, snatching a
gold chain off of Dan O'Donnell, and then beating up
ben Yaut on a rampage through the Wisconsin State Fair.
He's a one man crime wave that Dave Michaels. He

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doesn't do it because he has a healthy fear of
the consequences, not just consequences from the state, not just
consequences from broader society, but consequences from his social circle,
his family, the people who would be very disappointed in him. Now,
what happens if not only does the state say to

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you there are no consequences for you, and in fact,
really you are only behaving this way because the state
has failed you, because it is so racist, it is
so greedy and capitalistic, and it preys upon people like
you that in fact you're the real victim here. You

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start to think, hey, I really can do whatever I want.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
What if, at the same time, your social circle does
not instill in you a healthy sense of shame or
disappointment in you for doing antisocial things, if there is
generational dysfunction, that that sort of anti social behavior is
either ignored or applauded or just completely unknown because parents, grandparents,

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the social and familial support system just is mi ia.
Where is anybody in the life of a young person
to tell them it is very, very wrong that you're
doing what you did? That ultimately is the deeper thing here.

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There is no accountability, not to family and not to
the state, not to anybody in David Crowley's Milwaukee County
criminal justice system. The fact that you've got somebody posting
on a very public video platform saying, hey, come down here.
This is incitement to what turned into what could be

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properly considered to be riotous behavior. They had to clear
out the Midway, to clear out Spin City in our
early and the mob just rampaged down the street trying
to break into a Walgreens, trying to break into a McDonald's.
They did so because the only thing the state can

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really do. And this is something that Tom Barrett never
really understand as mayor never really understood as mayor of Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
For so many years, he would go to ceasefire Sabbath.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
He would go to churches and he would say, well,
Grandma's and grandpa's, moms and dads, you need to be
telling your kids that they shouldn't be up late stealing
cars and bringing guns and fighting. Yeah, okay, that's all
well and good. I'm taking a wild guess that the
families who are in church early on a Sunday morning,
when you decide to make your pause for holy pictures

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no pun intended, when you decide to make your little
ceasefire Sabbath, stand they're not the ones who are engaged
in the anti social behavior. They're not the ones that
are so dysfunctional that they have no idea what these
young people are doing. You cannot shame from government. Government
is not the replacement for a social and familial support system.

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All you can do is punish an attempt to prevent
the sociopathic behavior so that you protect the people who
are just going to state Fair and following all of
society's rules that broke down, and that has been breaking
down all summer across Milwaukee, and nobody, not David Crowley,

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not Mayor Johnson, not the police chief, not the sheriff,
not the district attorney, not anyone in the judiciary seems
the least bit bothered by it. Why and why are
they allowed to continue to pass the buck? We'll discuss
when the dan O'Donnell I don't believe it is a coincidence. Well,

(21:55):
I mean it is the definition of a coincidence. But
it speaks to a broader problem in Wisconsin that on
the same day I get sent this video that just
sheds so much light on the mentality behind the chaos
at the Wisconsin State Fair. On Sunday night, Governor Tony
Ever's Commutations Board is holding hearings for twelve incarcerated inmates

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that are likely to pave the way for some of
Wisconsin's first commutations in decades. The last governor to hand
down commutations, which is where you essentially end a sentence.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's a pardon is.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Excuse me, where you have already served the time and
you are pardoned of your crime. It is like the
crime didn't exist. You served your time, and okay, the
governor says, it's good.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
This doesn't need to be on your record. It's like
it never happened.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
A commutation is when you are still serving a sentence
and the governor says, or the president can do this
at the federal level, We're just going to let you
out of prison. It's a literal get out of jail
free card. Last governor to hand down a commutation was
Tommy Thompson, who left office twenty five years ago, and

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I think the last commutation that he issued was in
the mid nineteen nineties, ninety five or ninety six. More
than eight hundred people have applied for commutations under the
governor's process. This according to retiring State Senator Van Wanguard,
who earlier this week sort of blew the whistle on this.

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Today is the first meeting of the Commutation Advisory Board.
Out of the twelve people who are testifying today, six
of them are murderers. Six have been convicted of homicide.
Others have been convicted of burglary, armed robbery, possession of
cocaine with intent to distribute. Evers says he will consider

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commutation for people who have already served at least half
of their prison sentence or twenty years of a life's sentence.
This according to Wisconsin Public Radio. He says certain types
of crimes would not be eligible for commutations, including sexual assault,
child abuse, and trafficking of a child. I believe that
actually should read child sexual abuse. Murderers are apparently okay,

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though what does that say about the state itself? When
you are sentenced to life, does it mean life when
you take a human life? That is the we have
been told since the Bible and the Code of Hamaabi

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the worst thing you can do. This is traditionally the
only crime for which human beings can be put to death, unless,
of course, you're in the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
And well, there's a whole lot of well.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Actually, in the Old West, horse theft was often punished
by death, but there was a lot of extra judicial
justice being meeted out in the Western territories.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
We, however, have.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And frankly, I still believe that there are certain people
who just you sort of are too dangerous. I think
even to fellow inmates, and your crimes are so egregious
that I do believe there still does need to be
the ability of the state to say we can no

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longer keep you alive. You have forfeited your right to live,
even incarcerated. In our society, it seems to have worked
a cross generations, eons and civilizations, except this one. In America,
there was a movement about twenty thirty years ago to
abolish the death penalty. It was largely successful, and we said, okay,

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well then we're just going to incarcerate you for the
rest of your days.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Now, however, it's.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, if you've served twenty years, that's good enough. The
family of the person that a defendant has killed has
a life sentence of their own, of grief, of pain,
of inescapable horror, whereas a murderer just kind of gets

(26:43):
to walk. What does that say to everybody who is
currently incarcerated? What does that say to everybody who might
in the future be incarcerated. Well, if I can just
tell a good enough story about how I I'm rehabilitated,
about how Tony Evers's prison system really turned my life around,

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and I paid my debt to society, and I am
willing to be of a contributing member. It says that
we don't really follow through on enforcing our laws. We
don't really follow through on punishing you for your sociopathic behavior.
You see, it starts when kids are just marauding through

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the state fair in their sheisties and snatching chains. But
if at some point there is no intervention by family,
by a social circle, by someone who would be able
to turn a life around, or be so disappointed and
so ashamed that the young thug is turned off from

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the deviant lifestyle, then society itself government needs to step
in to protect the rest of society from an increasingly
dangerous human being. If at every level there is no shame,
there is no family support, and for a lot of
these kids, tragically there is not. But there is also

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no government that is putting the fear of the lord
or the fear of any sort of consequence before them, Well,
then they're just It is just human nature to keep
pushing limits, pushing boundaries. This is the nature of young men, teenagers.
I've got two of them, myself. I've got a twelve
year old daughter who is fully embracing the preteen life

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and attitude. They push boundaries. It's what they do. Because
you imagined if any of my kids were marauding through
state fair. I I say this only half kiddingly, we
would have our own personal death penalty. I would be

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and it wouldn't even be wouldn't even be. I would
be furious, and the mother would be Their mother would
be furious. We would be so ashamed, and we would
be so disappointed. It wouldn't even be oh or mad.
It was always what we found in disciplining our kids
was the most effective thing. Is just expressing how deeply
disappointed we are, how deeply you should be ashamed of

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yourself for how you behaved. There is no shame and
there are no consequences. When you answer to no one
and you believe that your highest and best purpose is
to put on a sisty and to cause chaos, You're
going to continue to do so until someone is seriously hurt.
And even when they are, you've got democrats at the

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state level saying, ah, no harm, no foul. You serve
twenty years, so what that you're only thirty nine years old.
You can have a great rest of your life. Just
please try not to kill again. Not saying nobody deserves
to be released from prison, but my god, when you're

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sentenced to life, is it too much to expect that
somebody serves anything even approaching a life sentence. You're listening
to the the very first hearings of the newly created
Tony Evers Commutations Board.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Let's uh, let's get back to that in just to say,
President Trump now taking questions at Joint Base Andrews as
he's about to hop on Air Force one.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Let's let's take a listen very quickly.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Woman who answered, I watched that. I thought it was
a very honest answer.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Actually, yeah, in the construction of the ball round.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Here where nobody was spending hundreds of millions of dollars
in the ballroom, and it's all from people like.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Me and great companies that are putting it up.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
It's going to be close to four hundred million dollars
and it's all paid for by uh patriots.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
And patriotic coup. But these big companies.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
For those who have heard, why the ballroom is a
thing not just standard liberal craziness. Supreme Court said today
that the President can continue construction on the White House Ballroom.
It's known as an administrative stay of a lower ruling,
and construction is allowed to continue. This probably indicates that
it's more likely than not the Court allows this to

(31:23):
continue because very obviously the executive branch is allowed to
do this. The challenge to the ballroom is beyond flimsy.
But this is what happened today. Let's go back to
the president.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Many types of intervention. That's one. The ultimate intervention is
our military, and we have to use that.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
We will.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, we want betam boards is the setting.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Some ranchers as well as some Republicans are asking you
to delay that on board.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
So we want to get the beat prices down. So
we'll get them down a little bit. And that's what
people want. That's what the voters want, That's what I want.
The ranchers are great than my people. I love the ranchers.
They've done a fantastic job, but they admit that we
need a little help and in order to get the
prices down.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
So that's what we're doing. You've got it.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
We're hearing at bagging.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
It is going to start spending your awards, TSK, what
races are you putting money in?

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, I've raised a lot and nobody knows what it is, but.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
I will tell you it's about eight hundred and fifty
million dollars geez. And I'll be spending a lot of
that money for and my own money, but I'll be
spending a lot of that money for candidates that I
think are good Republican candidates that I think are good.
So when you add the eight hundred and fifty million
to all of the other money that we've raised, we're

(32:45):
in very good shape.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Some Republicans who are running for interest. If you're returning
to come out against AI data centers, why do you
think they're taking a different approach than you are? Are they?
You know how?

Speaker 7 (32:57):
The Senate reason, ohioways want example where it's become a very.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Well, the data centers subject to me is a pretty
simple one. If you pick the right location, and it's
going to be not every location is perfect for it,
but you pick.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
The right location.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
What it means for a community is jobs and lots
of money and lower taxes. And the data centers now
are mandated by ME that they build their own electricity,
so they're not taking it for the grid. It's going
to lower the electric course because they're building electricity and
the extra As an example, we talked about this one.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
I'm very proud of it. It was my idea.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
They're going to build their own electric producing facility and
that electricity that they have left over is going to
the grid. It's going to lower the cost of electricity.
So if I were a community, I would want the
data center. It means jobs, it means income, and it
means lower taxes.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
You take the AI no, I want them to do it.
They one. Some people feel differently. I really want them.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
The Republicans against the data center, that's okay with me.
I'm only saying that if I ran a community. Now
there are different types of communities, but generally speaking, if
I ran a community.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
If I was a mayor, or, if I was a
governor in the state.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
I would want to have the data centers because they
bring tremendous income, they're clean, they produce their own energy.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
The new ones are producing their own energy. I would
want to have data service.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
All right. That is President Trump, and that's actually perfect.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
We're going to end it right there, because that rolls
right into what we're talking about. Next, we'll get you
the daily Trump date and also get into new polling
about data centers here in Wisconsin as well as in
the gubernatorial race. It's a lot closer than you think,
and the fundamentals of this race do hinge on the

(34:54):
data center issue and are trending a lot better for
Republicans than you might think. We'll get into all of
that when The Dan o'donald.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Show returns Intelligent Discourse. The Dan o'donald Show will be
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Speaker 1 (35:51):
Everyone needs to listen carefully to what President Trump had
just said as he was about to board Air Force
one at Joint Base Andrews Data Centers, because we have
gotten a lot of text, some emails, I think Dave Michael's,
our producer this afternoon, got a couple of calls saying, hey,
why is President Trump so gung ho on data centers?

(36:14):
But Tom Tiffany is trying to tie them to data
center David Crowley. After listen carefully to what the President says,
we'll get into that Daily Trump date in just a second.
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Trump did not say that he wants data centers everywhere.

(37:46):
He says, if you are a community, and you have
to be the right community, and this is critical. This
is actually the point that I will fully admit that
I sort of missed, as the debate over data centers
is just raging to the point where it has become

(38:06):
the issue in the governor's race. It's not about data
centers themselves. It is about does a community want to
change its essential character? As Trump says, it has to
be the right community. Why does David Crowley data center
David Crowley not want to put data centers in Milwaukee?

(38:31):
Why was it the city of Milwaukee? Do you realize
that there was a proposal to put a data center
in the Midtown Mall abandoned Iesore, it failed. Why this
is the perfect place for a data center. There is
a ton of infrastructure already there. We had a listener

(38:55):
suggest north Rich. I guess Mark Belling on his podcast
has been saying for a while now, why not put
a giant data center where Northridge Mall used to sit?
Northridge Mall has been shuttered for what twenty five years?
Practically it has been an ice. There has been no
development there for twenty five years. Why do democrats never

(39:19):
want data centers in their backyards and only want to
put them in the middle of nowhere on farmland. Really,
that's the only place that you can have. There's not
just one data center going up at the fox Con
facility in Mount Pleasant, there's multiple because it is such

(39:41):
a big plot of land. Yes, you often do need
for massive data centers and data center facilities.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
You do need a lot of land, not for all
of them.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
You can use areas of a city or areas of
a county that aren't being used for anything. This is
why in Racine and Kenosha, the people there have been
a bit more open because there is a ton of
development along I ninety four, because of the fox Con project,

(40:18):
because of the Amazon warehouse you line is down there.
You have got uh let's see the horribo production facility.
You have got what am I missing? Amazon fulfillment you line? Yeah,
we were joking about this, that Dave says, the Bristol
Renaissance favor.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, we were joking about this.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Uh. I know there's a bunch of like fireworks stores
down there. I think there's a porn shop right off
of the freeway.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
The mars Cheese Castle is down there, So you've got it.
My point is you've got a ton of development, and
this is a community, this is a region of the
state where it makes sense. What only has been saying
is that we don't really care about community fit. We
are essentially going to just shoehorn these data We want

(41:09):
the development. And Crowley is not incorrect in saying this. Okay,
he is not incorrect in saying we want the tax revenue,
just as President Trump said, we want the revenue. This
can be a net positive for a community. In fact,
the community of what is Ellendale, North Dakota is a

(41:31):
case study. This was a town that manufacturing abandoned and
a data center was a perfect fit. The people were
fine with it and it's thriving. The town was saved
essentially because a data center came in that wasn't an
agricultural community, that wasn't Port Washington. When you think if

(41:56):
I if I say Port Washington, what do you think of.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Port Washington?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Fish Days right there is a it's like it's almost
like a harbor town on the east coast on the
eastern seaboard in Wisconsin. It is such a charming community.
The people there are up in arms because they're saying, look,
we have a distinctive culture, a distinctive character to Port

(42:24):
Washington that we believe a data center would fundamentally alter.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
We don't want it here.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Ikea was the other big one that is on seven
nine or on I ninety four. Yeah, Ikea, how could
I forget like all of the kids, Uh, not their furnite.
We get all the furniture, at least most of it
obviously from Built Right. You know, I've been friends with
them for boy, we've been you realize we've been buying
from Built Right furniture. Talk about an unscheduled commercial for

(42:52):
Built Right now, even before well before they started sponsoring
this show. Like my mom's half of her house is
furnished by Built Right Furniture.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
But no, just like you know, little stuff like I
don't know, little decoration. I know the kids love going
down to Ikea because you always find something, you know, silly,
little whatever.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I don't know. If I would buy a bed from Ikea, I.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Certainly wouldn't want I certainly wouldn't try to put together
a bed from Ikea. Yeah, start, start now, and maybe
when Grace gets to college in you know, eight years
or whatever it is, six years, Uh, it'll be done no.
That's that's the benefit of a built Right furniture. They
will actually bring it to you and put it where
it needs to be. They don't deliver it in a

(43:38):
series of boxes and say okay, go nuts.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
No I I do.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I do like the meatballs are fantastic. Cafeteria is tremendous.
That's the one thing I think Built Right needs to
put in cafeteria with meatballs. I'm just saying just say,
I'm not just a spokesman, I'm also an idea a man.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, I do. I we haven't.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I mean, we've been at our house for I actually
haven't been there for I should stop by and say
I haven't seen them in a while.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Iikeia, how could I forget?

Speaker 1 (44:08):
But when you've got an IQ, when you've got a
U line, when you've got an Amazon fulfillment center, where
you've got a giant Fox con and now Microsoft complex,
this is an area that is already changed. It is
already very developed. And you also have a whole lot
of people coming up escaping the high taxes of Illinois.

(44:29):
So the people of those southern communities, especially those who
live near the freeway and are used to massive development
going up very very quickly. They're fine with it. But
the people of Port Washington are saying, hey, wait a second.
We like our fish days, we like our little main street,

(44:51):
we like the way the community is right now. A
data center changes that. It's not that the insane, the
insane environmental Oh, they're gonna the data centers are gonna
suck all of the water out of Lake Michigan.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
We can't have No.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
The average data center uses about as much water as
a golf course on an annual basis. It's not that
you know, there's gonna be a massive increase in cancer
in that, it's just there's no.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Data to support that.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Just all of the left wing attacks on data centers
are just demonstrably false. The yeah, it's the new fracking,
it's the new five G. Remember the hysteria over five
G Internet towers. You go all the way back. The
boomer Libs successfully killed the single greatest power source humanity
has devised in nuclear energy, because the left wing Soviet

(45:49):
buffoons couldn't run their own facility at Chernobyl.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I digress.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
What conservatives are saying is that data centers that are
going in in.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Rural semi rural, and.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
What I would consider quaint communities like Port Washington are
just not a good community or cultural fit. Now, as
a result of this brand new polling out today from Tip,
this is tp P polling. Tip shows that data centers

(46:31):
are phenomenally unpopular. In fact, this poll shows that data
centers are even less popular in Wisconsin than socialism.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
If you can believe that.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
The poll shows data centers underwater in Wisconsin by fifty
one points. Fifty one points approved disapprove, sixty six percent
disapprove of data centers, fifteen percent approve socialism minus twenty seven.

(47:10):
Twenty four percent approve of socialism. Those are your Francesco
Hong voters. That is where that smell is coming from.
Fifty one percent are sane and disapprove of socialism.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Capitalism.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
This one is a little unnerving only as a plus
ten forty four percent approve of capitalism. Thirty four percent
disapprove President Trump. By the way, thirty seven percent approval rating,
fifty seven percent disapprove. The least popular thing in the

(47:46):
TIP poll that was in the field the fourteenth through
the eighteenth. So what was the fourteenth last Friday through.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Man?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Oh man, my days are running together? Fourteen through the
eighteen if you figure out the days, I don't care
that much. It also shows David Crowley among registered voters
only leading Tom Tiffany by two points likely voters, He's
up four the generic congressional ballot in Wisconsin, meaning if

(48:21):
the election were held today, would you vote for the
Democrat or the Republican Democrats have just a two percentage
point lead. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Data
center issue is such a big one. Because Tom Tiffany

(48:42):
can no longer run against socialists. I mean, yes, David
Crowley is about as close to a socialist in charge
of a major county as you could get without actually
banning Thanksgiving. But he doesn't call himself a socialist. He
didn't run as a socialist. He's running against the socialists

(49:03):
in the primary. Socialists chase him out of the primary,
he gets back in, miraculously comes back and win. By
the way, coming up in the five o'clock hour, we
will dive into the Republican legislature. The chairman of the
Assembly Committee on Campaigns and Elections is demanding answers as
to how this city of Milwaukee screwed up the reporting

(49:23):
of its absentee ballots that badly and for the third
time in six years, made a major mistake at Central
count We'll get into that in the five o'clock hour
here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. It's because people across
political boundaries, for different reasons, say they don't want data

(49:46):
centers in their communities.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Is this nimbiism? Not in my backyard? Yes?

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Absolutely, Republicans are just the ones being honest about it.
Democrats like David Crowley and lives in Milwaukee who say, yes, yes,
we should have data centers in Wisconsin, just you know,
not in our backyard, because we're going to reject them.
Democratic states and Democratic cities have been almost unanimous in
rejecting them. This is why big tech is relying on

(50:16):
Republicans to say, Okay, we want these in our community.
The problem Republicans typically don't run big cities and big
counties like Milwaukee and Dane. They run counties like Washington County,
Osaki County, Waukeshaw County, which are more suburban, exurban, or rural.

(50:39):
There is much more of a change to the character
of a community that a data center would present in
a Republican run place. But the Republican run places are
the only ones where you don't have insane regulations and
bureaucratic red tape that make construction of any project, any
industrial real thing, nearly impossible. So you can't go there.

(51:07):
But in terms of community fit in Republican areas, generally speaking,
data centers don't. That's what Trump is saying, That's what
Tiffany is saying, and data center David is sort of
like the Marie Antoinette of the digital age.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Let them eat data. He says, you're listening to the DAN. O.
Don't you know what? Should I ask?

Speaker 3 (51:32):
AI?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
What does TIP stand for?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Okay, temperature, intense, exercise, paste breathing, and progressive muscle relaxation.
This is why we don't need data centers, because the
AI in Google Gemini is terrible. No, it is not
the technoh Metrica Institute of Policy poll. Dave AI clearly

(52:05):
to I ask what does TIP stand for? It told
me temperature, intense, exercise, paste breathing, and progressive muscle relaxation.
That would actually be the tie P B P M
R poll.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
AI.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, Now, I honestly I learned that years. It's just
always been the TIP poll. It was always. They always
partnered with Investors Business Daily until maybe the twenty fourth cycle.
So is the IBD Tip poll. They've been around forever.
They've got a pretty good reputation, no obvious bias. They
show David Crowley up by just two points forty three

(52:48):
to forty one amongst registered voters, and amongst likely voters
he's only up by four. This is in line with
the first poll of the general election that was released
on Sunday, that was the Battleground Wisconsin Pool. I believe
it's called by Platform Communication. That's the organization that commissioned it.

(53:11):
And what we're seeing is a tighter race I think
than Democrats would think, primarily because the generic congressional ballot
is very tight in Wisconsin, while the generic ballot has
across the country been pretty consistent at Democrats plus eight.
And in case you think that, well, Dan, you can't

(53:34):
take anything from a generic ballot question. Would you vote
for the Democrat? Would you vote for the Republican? You
absolutely can. In fact, generic ballot is relatively predictive at
least when you start to get into I would say
the late spring of an election year, a midterm election year,
because it's sort of predictive of turnout, it's who's actually

(53:57):
going to show up. It's not a president election where
you get massive turnout. A lot of people sit out
gubernatorial races. A lot of people will sit out a
senate race like we're going to have in twenty thirty.
We are not going to have a presidential race. We're
not going to have a gubernatorial race. Wait, yes we

(54:19):
are in twenty thirty. Are we going to have a
senate race as well?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Well?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
The last time that we have, Yeah, Baldwin will be
twenty thirty. Okay, well as we always have. Yeah, it
is almost certainly going to be Sarah god Lusky. That's
the Democrat candidate. Less, of course, Francesco Hong was promised
something far better than Mark Pocan's congressional seat that she

(54:43):
can run for in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
It's going to be god Lusky. I think that is.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I mean, you never know if she loses, if if
Crowley loses, which is absolutely but where does she go
from here giving up her position as Secretary of State?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
In any event, the generic ballot will predict turnout.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I guess yes.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Every year that we don't have a presidential election. I
guess I forgot about that. We do have a gubernatorial election,
so anytime there's a midterm election. That's how we stager
When we went to four year terms for our governors,
it was decided that's how it's gonna be, and that
I actually like that. So forget what I just said
as at a momentary brain fart here. But trust me

(55:32):
now with my analysis of politics, as I'm not quite
sure who's up when. No, the generic ballot is good
because in an off year, it is going to be
relatively predictive of whose voters are going to show up,
whose voters are the likeliest to vote, And this actually
is showing up in this poll registered voters when they

(55:55):
just call you up, Hey, are you registered to vote?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I am.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Follow up questions determine whether you're likely to vote, to
ask who you'ren to vote for, Forty one percent say
Tom Tiffany, forty three percent say David Crowley. Crowley is
also benefited by the fact that he really has not
had any negative coverage of him his favorables. People have

(56:23):
a favorable impression of David Crowley thirty four percent, thirty
one percent negative Tom Tiffany far more people know who
he is. Forty four percent have a negative impression of him,
thirty seven percent positive. What do you know, same approval
as President Trump. It's almost as though there are a

(56:44):
few more Democrats being surveyed in this pool. Now that's
not because the poll is skewed or anything like that,
or the poll is crooked. It's because it's very likely
you're going to just have more Democrats coming out this year.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Now, what happens though.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
If that's not necessarily the case, You have just had
a bitter although not from the candidates, who were very,
very careful, even when it looked like Francesco Hong was
going to run away with the primary. They're very careful
not to attack her because they are terrified of ticking
off her voter base of socialists. They need them to

(57:25):
turn out in November. What if just enough of them
don't that's a big problem. Not only that, what if
the Democratic brand is so toxic because of its flirtation
with socialism that a whole lot of independence just don't

(57:49):
turn out that would otherwise maybe vote for the Democrat
because they're just they can't bring themselves to vote for
a Republican but liberal Democrat leaning independence say now I'm
not gonna turn out. Or what if the radical left
turn of the Republican Party and they're increasingly radical, increasingly

(58:12):
socialist agenda turns off the great middle.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
JD.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Van's campaigning in Ohio today talked about exactly what the
increasingly left wing, increasingly socialistic Democrats would do if they
get powerful.

Speaker 8 (58:31):
If these radicals take control of Congress, they're gonna pass
the craziest agenda America has ever seen. You're not gonna
have to take my word for it. You just got
to hear these guys actually talk about it themselves. One
incoming Democrat congresswoman wants to abolish prisons, she wants to
abolish police, and she wants to abolish the borders. And

(58:53):
let me just say, that's the only real question on
the ballot in November. Do we believe in a America
or do we believe in nothing? We in this room
believe in America and we're going to fight for it.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
My friends, what if after an entire summer of hearing
about the encroaching socialist movement in the Democratic Party, there
are enough people who are persuaded, who are right leaning
to stop it now, it would have been very easy.

(59:28):
And this is why Republicans really wanted Francesca Home. A.
She's an idiot. B, she's an idiot. S. You can
run against socialism, and asking the voters do you want
your state run by socialists is a very tough ask.

(59:52):
Here's another dirty little secret about Wisconsin politics.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Though you may think that.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Politics is divided in this state along the lines of
left versus right, Democrats versus Republicans, what if I told
you it is seventy one counties versus one. How many people,
especially out state, really really really don't care for Milwaukee

(01:00:20):
all that much. It's a lot. This is another reason
that when you have because everybody across the state views
Milwaukee as yes, I mean obviously the big city. As
goes Milwaukee, so goes the rest of the state and
so forth. But they see it as a crime infested

(01:00:43):
failure that sucks off of the rest of the state
for shared revenue and then goes and fritters it away.
And yet still it still boggles my mind. By twenty
thirty one, David Crowley getting one hundred million dollars in
new sales tax revenue thanks to his own bill that

(01:01:06):
he is proudest of Act twelve sign he signs an
ordinance the state legislature has to authorize new county and
city sales taxes they did as part of Act twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
He signs it immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
You get one hundred million dollars in new revenue pouring
into Milwaukee County every year. At the end of this
current budget of David Crowley's with that new hundred million
dollar a year winful, they're still running a projected one
hundred and sixty million dollar deficit by twenty thirty one.
The rest of the state sees that. So when you

(01:01:44):
run against Milwaukee County when you say, and also this
is why the data center issue is so big, especially
out state, when you say, hey, we've got data center.
David Crowley from Milwaukee County not wanting any data centers
in his county. You got a candidate who wants to

(01:02:07):
put them in yours. That is a very powerful and
that candidate just happens to run Milwaukee County that wants
to benefit from all of the new shared tax revenue
that would come in from the data center. That is
going to be changing the complexion, changing the character of

(01:02:29):
your community. Somewhere out state. Boy, that's a powerful argument.
But like I said, we're not going to obsess over
polls this early. In fact, polls in Wisconsin in August
are notoriously unreliable, and they're always unreliable.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
It seems in one direction.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
We will get into that little history of the Marquette
University Law School poll and its track record in August
as opposed to the final results that President Trump today
before taking off, is he going to a campaign of
vent or is he just heading down to mar A Lago.
He was at Joint Base Andrews. He is going to

(01:03:14):
be back for the freedom to fifty. I'm assuming well
wherever he was headed. He was talking to reporters today
on the tarmac at Joint Bass Andrews and was asked
about data centers, specifically that a number of Republican candidates,
including Tom Tiffany. The reporter did not mention Tom Tiffany though,
but he is here in Wisconsin a prime example of

(01:03:38):
a Republican taking what is very clearly the populist stance
on the issue, saying, look, the people of this state
are saying they don't want to change the character of
the community. I have a text in the Carpetland USA
Flooring Center talking text line inbox here four and four

(01:03:59):
seventy nine, nine eleven thirty. By the way, if you'd
like to join us, this guy says, it's not nimbi,
it's rural cultural value in landscape preservation. That's exactly it.
But I'm saying it is. I mean, it's the definition
of nimbia. I don't want it in my backyard. I
don't want it in my community. But with good reason,
with good reason, would you, just like you wouldn't put

(01:04:20):
a data center in the middle of you know what's
a rural Green County. You wouldn't put a data center
in the middle of Green County. Would you put the
new Bucks Stadium in the middle of If in twenty
sixteen twenty seventeen, when we were debating whether or not
to build the Fiser Forum, if we put it in

(01:04:44):
Green County, we call them the Wisconsin Bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
No, it wouldn't really be a fit with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Well, people in Green County, people in Port Washington, that's
sort of the epicenter of this, are saying we don't
want a data center because it's not that we bought
into this liberal insanity that it's gonna suck our lake
dry or that, Uh, what's the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
It's going to the other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Oh, it's going to it's going to dramatically drive up
energy costs because everybody else is going to be forced
to pay for No, they're not saying that, they're saying,
we don't believe that this is a good fit. Our
texture is absolutely right. And that's actually what Trump is saying.
He's saying, Look, if it's a right fit for a community,

(01:05:33):
I think there is tremendous value if the people of
that community agree with this idea.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Well, the data center, subject to me, is a pretty
simple one. If you pick the right location, and it's
going to be not every location it's perfect for it,
but you pick the right location. What it means for
a community is jobs and lots of money and lower taxes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
And the data centers now.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Are mandated by me that they build their own electricity,
so they're not taking it for the grid. It's going
to lower the electric course because they're building electricity and
the extra As an example, we talked about this one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
I'm very proud of it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
It was my idea, they're going to build their own
electric producing facility and that electricity that they have left
over is going to the grid. It's going to lower
the costs of electricity. So if I were a community,
I would want the data center. It means jobs, it
means income, and it means lower taxes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
AI. No, I want them to do it. They want.
Some people feel differently. I really want them.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
If the Republicans against the data center, that's okay with me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
I'm only saying that if I ran a community.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
Now there are different types of communities, but generally speaking,
if I ran a community, if I was a mayor, or,
if I was a governor in the state.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I would want to have the data centers.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Because they bring tremendous income, they're clean, they produce their
own energy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
The new ones are producing their own energy. I would
want to have data service.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
If it's the right community. If it's the right community.
Another great text.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
I think the problem with data centers in Wisconsin is
we like our pristine Wisconsin. I'm just out of the
age of a boomer, but you drive up to the
lakes and all that that. We really don't want to
see the technology environment come in and wreck all this
stuff we love in our small, little towns, farms, smaller communities.

(01:07:36):
I ride a motorcycle, you run the back roads, and
you don't have any of this bull bleep that's going
on in southeastern Wisconsin or Illinois. Just another thought, how
fast we're technology is really moving our society. Back in
the day you could live and not go through too
much change. And I think it's really a psychological jolt.

(01:07:58):
How fast we're moving ahead and people don't like it.
That is actually very insightful. I could tell this guy
was probably on his motorcycle, uh, parked at a rest
stop and doing voice to text because it took us
say not a lot of not a lot of punctuations there.
Sometimes you gotta well, that's a technological change, right, It's
it used to be you would get letters written to

(01:08:20):
a radio stage. Here we take phone calls. Now you
can just sort of talk into your phone. We do
talkbacks as well. You can record a short message that
we play on the radio. I play and Buck use that.
Does ben Yon do that in the morning? Does Jason?
Do they use talkbacks at all?

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
They do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I just I don't even know where we find them.
This is speaking of somebody who's not a boomer, but
is almost a boomer technologically, Dave, you're gonna have to
show me how to use talkback. I've probably got like
one hundred talkbacks that I've never even listened to. Yeah,
look to see if they have. And if it's just
people screaming the F word at me, please don't put
those on the air. But that's a technological change. You

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can just talk to your phone and it will send
a message to your favorite radio host. Now, as a
result of the data center opposition, which sort of cuts
across party and ideological lines, data centers in the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
New Tip poll are approved.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
They have a minus fifty one approval rating. Sixty six
percent of people oppose data centers. That is a huge margin,
especially in a state that is pretty evenly divided like
Wisconsin along traditional left right lines. As a result of this,

(01:09:46):
I believe you're starting to see David Crowley's negatives drive up.
This is why it is so crucial that Tom Tiffany
goes on the and hits him on his most vulner
of bel issue and clearly data center.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
David is it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Crowley releases his first television ad of the first thing
he says, Oh, I'll totally be tough on data centers.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, uh. People already don't really believe
you on that you'll be tough on data centers coming
to your county. Rest of Wisconsin, shut up and enjoy

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the data.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Enjoy the hum. Listen to the hum.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Of that data center in your backyard. Crowley among registered
voters is only leading Tiffany by two. He is up
four among likely voters. Now, everyone in political circles, there
are news stories right now about the fact that we're
going to get the new Marquette University Law School poll

(01:10:49):
in just a couple of days. On Wednesday, the twenty
sixth Oh my gosh, first Marquette poll of the general election.
The Marquette poll showed francescong winning by twenty She is not.
I'm sure you've noticed the Democratic nominee. We actually went
back at the Heartland Post and took a look at

(01:11:12):
the Marquette University Law School polls August findings all the
way back ten years to twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton was
up ten points on Donald Trump. Russ Feinegeld up six.
In November, Trump won by almost a percentage point. Johnson

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won by three point three percent. That was a ten
point miss. Now polling everywhere was off. Twenty eighteen, Evers
and Scott Walker tied Tammy Baldwin up three. In November,
Evers won by a little over one percent. Tammy Baldwin

(01:11:56):
won by eleven twenty twenty. The August poll was absolutely
oh wait, no, I'm sorry. That is Biden plus six.
In August twenty twenty in the market pool he won
by point six twenty twenty two, Evers plus two he

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won by three that November. Mandela Barnes rather famously had
a seven point lead in the August poll two years ago,
Donald Trump plus one. He did win by one point
Tammy Baldwin plus seven. She ended up winning by one point.

(01:12:37):
Thank you very much, fake candidate Thomas leeger My point
is not to rip on the Marquette University Law School poll,
but what did you notice about every single poll that
was conducted in August, save for one, it overestimated Democrats

(01:12:57):
support Democrats and farther left. Democrats are far more likely
to be answering this poll's questions in August, and the
reason for that is probably exactly what you think. Republicans
are busy. We're on vacation, we're getting ready for the

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start of our kids' football season, which, by the way,
first night of the high school football season to night. Yeah,
I know, the first game was the opener was last night,
first Friday night, I should say first Friday night lights.
We'll get into that a little bit in the five
o'clock hour. My point is that take polls right now
with a grain of salt and understand that the data

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center issue is a big one coming up. We are
going to get into the Milwaukee mess from the Tuesday
primary election. We're listening to Dan o'doh. Let me tell you, folks,
I both love the fact that over the past a
couple days, maybe a week, you start to feel that

(01:14:02):
crispness in the air that starts the signal fall is coming.
I always hate the end of summer because summer in
Wisconsin is by far the most beautiful, wonderful season that
you can possibly have. Fall is a very close second.
Fall is like the most underrated season in this state.

(01:14:24):
And it really feels like it's underway. Yes, I know,
it's only August twenty first, and we've still got what
until September first, about a week little more than a
week until September ten days. Let's see thirty days has September, April, June,
and November, so we got thirty one days. Yeah, thirty

(01:14:44):
one days in August and yeah, actually Labor Day is
the latest that can possibly be. So I think most
public school kids start September first. That's really you know,
when fall kind of officially begins, at least for those
of us who have kids in school, that's kind of
how we measure it. But September one, Labor Day weekend,

(01:15:07):
is sort of the end of summer. But then you
have got just so much fun stuff starting, not only the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
High school football season.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
You've got a Packers preseason game tonight eight o'clock PM.
They're in Denver to take on the Broncos, and this
is probably going to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Be the game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
We'll do a little bit of a preview, I think
maybe towards the end of this hour. This is going
to be the game where you probably see the first
team offense in first team defense, but first team offense
played like a series in the first preseason game. Or
remember there are three preseason games and not four after
the move to seventeen games in the regular season, so

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that starting high school sports, I think our start we
got of course, high school soccer in our house, the
club soccer season for our daughter, volleyball is starting up.
We've got my nieces playing volleyball, nephews on club soccer,
so it's like all the activities are starting up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
It's it's just a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Then of course you got you the Badgers. They're opening
up this season against Notre Dame. That's going to be fun.
What is that that's Labor Day weekend. Yeah, that's the
September sixth. Is that the Sunday? Yeah, the Sunday of
Labor Day weekend. NFL season starts right after that. Then
you've got you know, haunted houses, and you've got pumpkin

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spice everything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I just love I love fall.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
And then of course you're right into the holiday season,
Thanksgiving in Chris. I don't want to get too far
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Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
It has been about a week and a half since
the Democratic primary for governor, and there are still a
whole lot of unanswered questions about what the hell happened
again at Central count in Milwaukee. It is not a

(01:18:02):
question of whether or not the primary was stolen from
Francesca Hong, because it seemed to me, at least, and
I was up all night providing coverage here on the
radio of this, it did not seem like she was
going to be able to overcome the margin that David
Crowley had built up the story of that primary was

(01:18:26):
Francesca Hong needed to run up the numbers in the
commie corridor of Madison, and she didn't do it. The
reality was, I think a whole lot of conservative influencers
nationally got hold of some of the craziest stuff that
Francesca said. She stupidly did these interviews with Fox News

(01:18:48):
and CNN after the Thanksgiving tweet came out. Francesco Hong
apparently hates fall nonel like Thanksgiving. No, don't particularly care
for Halloween either. I wonder if she's got thoughts about
high school football her socialist brethren Over in Michigan Abdul
l Sied, the left wing Islamic candidate for Senate there,

(01:19:12):
running as the Democratic nominee. He said football was very
similar to slavery.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Give me upbreak people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I don't know if Francesca has an issue with football.
She seems like a diehard sports fan. There was that
video that went viral of her cheering rather bizarrely for
the New York Knicks when they won the NBA finals.
Can someone please remind her that were Bucks fans here
in this state? Franny, she needed to run up the score.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
She did not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
David Crowley, it was kind of bizarre he needed to
run up the score in Milwaukee County.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
He did not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
He was just very strong out state, and all of
the Democratic vote sort of coalesced around him as it
became clear that Francese Go was just she was the
candidate that Republicans wanted. I think we can all be
honest about that. The Republican Governors Association does not get
into this race and spend on behalf of Francesco Hant

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doing exactly what Democrats did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Throughout twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
I might add running ads that seem on their face
to be attack ads against the farther extreme candidate, but
really they're meant to boost said candidates standing with the base.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
It's basically a fake out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
So Francesco is clearly the candidate that Tom Tiffany wanted.
To fact, I don't think he anticipated just how badly
Crowley would have stumbled out of the gate, especially on
this data center issue. Data center David is clearly sticking.
But nonetheless, nonetheless, it is not that there was a

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stolen election or anything like that. It's not as though
the City of Milwaukee was holding back absentee votes. But
we can't discount that possibility because we have gotten precisely
zero answers in the week and a half since this
took place. Is the Wisconsin Elections Commission going to take

(01:21:11):
this seriously doubtful? Fortunately, Dave Maxi, State Assembly Chair of
the Committee on Campaigns and Elections, He has formally sent
a letter now to Paulina Gutierrez, the executive director of
the City of Milwaukee Elections Commission, demanding a full public
accounting of what happened at the Central count facility on

(01:21:35):
the night of August eleventh into the early morning of
August twelfth. As Maxi put it in a letter he
sent today, quote, this was a travesty, plain and simple,
and voters need to know and deserve to know exactly why.
For those who maybe were on vacation or aren't as

(01:21:57):
politically obsessed as we are here on the Dano Donald's show,
you will be forgiven for not remembering or really being
abreast of what happened at Central County, because certainly the
media in this state, outside of this show, outside of
our website, the Heartland Post, they have no interest whatsoever
in informing you about this. In the late hours of

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the election, and by late I mean ten o'clock, all
of the results were pretty much in. There were a
couple of outstanding issues because of server problems in both
Green County and Fondilac County, but those were the only
ones that weren't reporting pretty much all of their votes
by about nine thirty ten o'clock, except, of course, the

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City of Milwaukee, which still had twenty eight thousand absentee
ballots to report. They have nine high speed tabulators which
the ballots are fed into and they are counted and
law very very quickly. The clerks don't keep the ballots

(01:23:08):
where they come in in accordance with state law, they
transport them to a central count facility where they are
all tabulated. Unlike most other municipalities in Wisconsin that actually
follow the law, I am not going to. State law
is very clear. You turn in your ABSENTYE. You do

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in person absentee voting at the municipal clerk's office or
at an alternate location that is designated for early voting.
Nowhere else. You don't have multiple early voting locations, you don't.
You don't need Central count all of the absentee ballots
that are mailed, are mailed to one place, the clerk's
office or in this case, the city Election Commission's office,

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or they're mailed to that secondary location.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
The statue could not possibly be clearer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
But we have Central count in Milwaukee, and Central count
is and nothing but problematic. So at about ten o'clock PM,
we think, okay, the twenty eight thousand votes, this is
going to determine the election.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
They're going to come in.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
We are told by the county clerk George Christiansen and
the Elections commission director Pauline and Gutierrez. We're told that
they're going to come in at ten o'clock. Well they don't.
Then we're told that the results are going to be
reported at ten thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Okay, then absolutely eleven pm, eleven PM we are going
to get those votes reported. Eleven PM comes okay, eleven
twenty five. Before eleven thirty, we could tell something was
going on when at about eleven o'clock and by this
time I was on the air with Dave Michael's Jerry

(01:24:46):
Bott and was it just the three of m Yeah,
it was just the three adjacent gotch our great midday
host on WISN at a family issue. He was not
able to provide coverage with us. He will be I
am told I hope for our role election coverage. I'm
already looking forward to that in November. But we were exhausted.
We're ready to go home. It looks like, okay, we

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were doing kind of cocktail napkin math. Francesco would have
needed to win upwards of sixty percent of all of
the vote with multiple candidates in the home county of
David Crowley, probably not going to happen. So this batch
of votes is almost certainly not going to swing the election.

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It is very very likely that Crowley was going to win.
But when I saw the podium up at the courthouse,
I said, hm, this doesn't seem like everything is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Going smoothly.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Sure enough, Pauli Degutierrez takes the microphone and says, well,
we screwed up those nine tabulators. The data that was
downloaded to five of the flash drives. Each tabulator had
a flash drive plugged into it so we could transport

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the vote count from each of the tabulators and then
add it to the Milwaukee County count You can't send
this via the internet for very obvious reasons. They're not
connected to the internet, so you have to use flash drives.
We cannot get the votes from five of those nine
tabulators because someone we're not saying who it was, human error.

(01:26:35):
It just had human error. Somebody accidentally downloaded the audit
log instead of the actual vote.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Here's Gutierrez from election night.

Speaker 7 (01:26:48):
We have the reports printed from the first download. We're
going to reprint and start the process so that we
can compare those results. We invite you to come join us.
Malacky Police Department will come with us too, and so
we'll redownload those results and then send them back here
to be uploaded.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Correct, not the.

Speaker 7 (01:27:08):
Machines, the stick So the download process was the audit
log was downloaded, not the results.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Now, the obvious question that I was asking at the time,
and I should go back and get my rant about
just how horrible elections are run in Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
If if you want people.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
On my side to stop questioning the results of elections,
which apparently is tantamount to treason, unless, of course, Democrats
do it whenever they lose elections. Looking at you, Russia
collusion conspiracy theory, If you want us to have full
faith in the way Democrat runs cities that just happened

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to be in the county run by David Crowley, who
is on the ballot. How they run elections? How about
you run elections competent and you get the votes counted
in a timely manner. They could not, and they have
not explained why. And of course Democrats, the liberal spin
machine in this state has gone into overdrivings by well

(01:28:15):
well Republicans have voted against a bill that would allow
us to tabulate the in person and mail and absentee
vote the Monday before the election, the day before the election.
We need the Monday count. Monday count, Monday count. Okay, yes, great, awesome, awesome,
I am on board. It was a tiny handful of

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senators who, again for reasons known only to God, I guess,
did not want to have a Monday count.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I have said, you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Want all eyes on the central count, all eyes on
the tabulation. When you have every Republican attorney you can
muster watching to make sure everything is done by the book.
Because in Milwaukee, forget about doing things by the book.
They pretend there is no book, no explanation, no accountability.

(01:29:08):
We have no idea even who the employee was, who
did this, I actually do know. It is a deputy
executive director of the Milwaukee Elections Commission, and she still.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Has a job.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
There has been no discipline, There has been nothing that
has going on as a result of this. I said,
there are only two explanations for this one. She is
way too incompetent to be working for the Elections Commission,
or there was something the farius going on. Either way,
the Milwaukee Elections Commission is not competent to handle elections

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at ahead of a big one coming up in just
a couple of months in November. I have got very
serious concerns about how things are going to be handled,
especially in light of how they have been handled.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
What kind of made things even worse is the fact
that the Milwaukee Elections Commission's explanation was well, it was
human error because you couldn't really see what it was
that you were downloading. It was just impossible to tell
if you were downloading the audit log data or the
vote from those machines. Well, aj Byatpoor of CBS fifty

(01:30:22):
eight had a photographer with him at Central count on
election night and posted a screenshot two days after the
election last Thursday showing there was no way you could
have not known that you were downloading audit log data.
In fact, there is a screen that says download audit
log data.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
You have to hit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Confirm and then there's a pop up that says downloading
audit log data. This deputy elections director did this five times.
She saw this and then did it four more times
on four other machines. It strains credulity that she didn't

(01:31:04):
know what she was doing. And now the question is
why was she incompetent? Is she an idiot or was
there something else going on. Dave Maxi, the chairman of
the Wisconsin Assembly Committee on Campaign and Elections, wants to
get to the bottom of this, and we will in

(01:31:27):
just three minutes get into his letter sent today to
Paulina Gutierrez, the executive director of the Milwaukee Elections Commission,
with very very pointed questions that need to be answered immediately.
That's coming up in just a second here on the
Dana sending a letter today formally demanding a full public

(01:31:47):
accounting of what happened at Milwaukee's Central count facility on
the night of the Wisconsin Democratic primary. Sending that letter
this morning to Paulina Gutierrez, the City of Milwaukee's Election
Commission executive director in that letter quote. According to reporting,
city staff left the Central Count facility without exporting results

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from five to nine tabulators, requiring a police escorted return
trip and delaying Milwaukee's results by roughly ninety minutes while
the entire country watched the outcome of a statewide primary.
Hang on your office getting the basics right. This is,
unfortunately not an isolated incident. It is the third significant

(01:32:29):
Central count failure in recent election cycles. A flash drive
left behind in twenty twenty, unlocked tabulator doors that forced
a thirty one thousand ballot recount in twenty twenty four,
and now a failed export process in twenty twenty six.
Three strikes is not bad luck, but rather a pattern
of mismanagement. And every time it happens, your office hands

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a gift to the very people trying to convince Wisconsinites
their votes don't count. That's Dave Maxi in his letter today.
That is ultimately it in order for our democracy that
Democrats are constantly telling us that they are working to
uphold and protect. In order for it to work, people
need to have full faith in the democratic process. They

(01:33:17):
need to have faith that the people who are actually
counting the votes and running their elections are doing so
in an honest and competent manner. This screams incompetence. If
it's not incompetence, well then we've got a much bigger,
much more sinister problem that I still believe does require

(01:33:40):
an investigation by the FBI. I just after a week
and a half, we have gotten no closer to finding
out how this woman, this Deputy Elections Commission director, couldn't
see the giant pop ups on the tabulator screen and said, Hey,
are you sure you want to download the audit logs
and not the votes? And she repeated this same process

(01:34:01):
five times, and nobody can figure out that she downloaded
the audit logs instead of the vote until they get
all the way to the counting courthouse. Okay, MAXI goes on.
Milwaukee runs the largest central count operation in this state
and one of the most scrutinized in the country. That

(01:34:21):
is precisely why there is no excuse for repeatedly getting
the fundamentals wrong. A checklist created after your predecessor's own
mistake in twenty twenty was apparently not followed in twenty
twenty six. That is a failure of leadership, training and
oversight on your watch, and Wisconsin voters, Republican and Democrat alike,
deserve an election system they can trust without having to

(01:34:44):
hold their breath every cycle. To that end, I am
requesting written answers to the following questions. One what exactly
happened on the night of August eleven? Please provide a
step by step time stamped to counting of the error
from the decision to leave the facility to the discovery
that five tabulators had not been exported.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Two How did this happen?

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Your office has maintained a checklist since twenty twenty, specifically
created after a similar failure, that calls for a single
official to extract results from each tabulator while accompanied by
other staff. Was that checklist followed on August eleventh? If not,
at what step did the process break down and who
was responsible for enforcing it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Three? How many similar errors.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Have occurred at Milwaukee's Central count operation in the last
ten years. Please provide a full list, including the twenty
twenty and twenty twenty four incidents, with a description of
what corrective action was taken after each one and why
those corrective actions failed to prevent this one. Four Was
this a training failure? A former city election director has

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publicly suggested this looks like a training issue. Were the
staff who mishandled the five tabulators fully trained and certified
on export procedures? What training or supervision changes will you
implement before the next election. I'm going to interject very
quickly here. As I understand it, it is relatively easy

(01:36:19):
to be able to see what you're exporting, whether it's
vote data or audit log data. And the audit logs
are just the machine and the tabulator making sure that
the count is correct. It's sort of like the well,
it's the audit its self audits what it was that
was tabulated, and you can export that log so you
can see what it was that the tabulator actually did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
How exactly how exactly can you not see it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
This thing looks like and granted I have never worked
with one, but it certainly looks like a touchscreen order
menu kiosk that you see at McDonald's. If your average
person going to McDonald's can figure it out, I'm fairly
certain someone allegedly highly trained in election management would be

(01:37:06):
able to do so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
But apparently not all right?

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Fifth question from maxim which municipalities ballots pass through your
central count facility and in what volume? Please break this
down by municipality for the August twenty twenty sixth primary.
Six would isolating Milwaukee specific ballots or processing by smaller
batches reduce the risk of an error like this one?

(01:37:30):
If not, why not? And what alternative would Seven? Given
the recurring nature of these failures, do you support an
independent outside review of Milwaukee's Central count procedures, including referral
to appropriate investigative authorities such as the Wisconsin Elections Commission or,
if warranted, the FBI to ensure the public has full

(01:37:54):
confidence in the findings.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Eight?

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
What can the State of Wisconsin do to help you
get this right? If additional resources, equipment, staffing, or statutory
changes would meaningfully reduce the risk of future errors. I
want specifics, not generalities, so this committee can act on them.
I recognize your office as stated there is no evidence
the results were compromised, and I take that seriously. But

(01:38:19):
trust in our elections is not built on the absence
of fraud alone. It is built on competence, consistency, and
transparencies and Milwaukee's Central count operation has now failed that
test three times. This committee will not simply accept apologies
after the fact while the same mistakes keep happening on
a two year cycle. I am requesting a written response

(01:38:42):
within thirty days of this letter. I am also requesting
that your office make itself available to brief the Assembly
Committee on Campaigns and Elections directly on the record. Milwaukee
has had three election cycles and three failures to get
this right. A fourth will not be treated as an accident.
If you can correct these mistakes and finally give Milwaukee

(01:39:02):
voters an election operation they can count on, then I
believe you should resign. Sincerely, Dave Maxie, State Representative, Chair,
Assembly Committee on Campaigns and Elections. Every one of those
questions needs to be answered, and needs to be answered
not within thirty days, but I think by the end

(01:39:24):
of next week. That is the least that this Election
Commission can do to give everybody in the state and
everybody in the country some reassurances that this November's election
is going to be handled in at least a semi

(01:39:44):
professional way. You're listening to the Dan o'donalds show, will
be right back and the chairman of the Wisconsin Assembly
Committee on Campaigns and Elections.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Dave Maxie is demanding.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Answers to questions that we read in the last sets
here on the show. Eight questions, significant ones about how
exactly a screw up happened. For a third time, twenty
twenty there was the infamous forgotten flash drive. Twenty twenty four,
the doors on tabulators were somehow left open. They were

(01:40:19):
found the morning of the election, and they happened to
be found by the chairman of the Milwaukee County Republican Party.
What would have happened if it was just a member
of the Milwaukee Elections Commission.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
What would have happened if.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
It was just a poll worker who found those doors
open on the tabulators? They had to recount thirty one
thousand votes, and this was a massive security issue. Now
it didn't end up mattering, and the votes that proceeded
without incident. But that's a very very bad mistake. And

(01:40:58):
lest you think, as maxipoint out, his layer is a
very good point, lest you think that fraud is the
only thing that can result in major problems with our elections,
it's not. Competence is critical, and it does not seem
like there are even basic levels of competence as as

(01:41:18):
he writes trust in Maxi writes, trust in our elections
is not built on the absence of fraud alone. It
is built on competence, consistency, and transparency, and Milwaukee's Central
count operation has now failed that test three times. This
committee will not simply accept apologies after the fact while
the same mistakes keep happening on a two year cycle.

(01:41:40):
Milwaukee has had three election cycles and three failures to
get this right. A fourth will not be treated as
an accident. And he also says we need answers. You
need to come before our committee, and do you believe
one of his questions, very pointedly posed to Gutierrez, do
we need an independent agency investigating this like the Wisconsin

(01:42:05):
Elections Commission. I have already called for an FBI investigation,
not because there is criminality, but because people need to,
on the record, with fear of perjury charges or obstruction charges,
answer how these things keep happening. Again, this did not

(01:42:26):
impact a Republican This was a democratic cubernatorial primary. Would
I have preferred to see Francesca Hong emerge from that primary?

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Yes? Was this an election that was stolen?

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
But the same sort of incompetence keeps happening in a
city that tilts very heavily towards Democrats, and Democrats are
the only people who staff this agency and are responsible
for counting the votes. Why is it Republicans should have
any faith that they'll be able to do so in

(01:42:58):
a competent or honest way. If another mistake like this
happens in November, it should not be treated as an accident.
I can tell you I will not treat it as
an accident. I believe the FBI needs to get to
the bottom of why this sort of thing keeps happening
and why after a week and a half we still
don't have any even attempted explanation by the people who

(01:43:23):
keep screwing up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
We're gonna step aside for a break.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
I want to leave some time at the end of
the show to talk about the Green Bay Packers. It's
also the opening Friday night of Wisconsin's high school football season.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
We'll discuss when the Dan O'Donnell show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
It is the first football Friday of the high school
football season here in Wisconsin. It is also a Packers
preseason contest in Denver. It's gonna start late, so if
you're heading out to see the Friday night lights this evening,
you should have plenty of time to get back and
at least catch the second half. I guess do people

(01:43:58):
actually really watch preseason games anymore? If you are going
to watch one, though, this is probably the one to
check out. It starts at eight o'clock at Empower Field
at Mile High Stadium. I don't know are they contractually
required to say Empower Field.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
At Mile High.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
The Packers network coverage. I would be remiss if I
didn't be a good company man and say it kicks
off right after six o'clock. I believe at six o'clock
in just a couple of minutes on ninety five seven
Big FM, your official home for green Bay Packers football
and across the state on the Packers Radio network, we

(01:44:40):
hear at iHeartMedia are proud partners of your green Bay
Packers and will be again broadcasting all games this upcoming season.
This is going to be the game to watch because
Jordan Love and the first team offense are likely to
see some significant reps. Coach Matt Lafleur indicate really throughout

(01:45:01):
the week that the starters on both offense and defense
are going to play enough in this game that they're
not going to need to play in the final preseason
game at all. And back when the preseason was four
games instead of the current three, this was a real
common thing that it was. The third week of the

(01:45:21):
preseason was where you want to get kind of the
extended look at the starters, if there are any battles
that are going on in camp, and the Packers have
a couple, especially at cornerback, where Keishawn Nixon has just
faced intense scrutiny. There was some talk that he might
be cut. Frankly, I don't see that happening. Carrington Valentine

(01:45:45):
has also been on the struggle bus quite frankly. And
this is going to be a huge thing because it's
looking like Micah Parsons is not going to be coming
back from ACL surgery until November at the earliest. And folks,
I can kind of speak from experience here. I am
not an elite, world class athlete. Of course, I'm also

(01:46:07):
forty five years old. Parsons is twenty five, twenty six
somewhere in there, so he's obviously in his physical prime.
But the last thing you want to do is to
go back too quickly to physical activity that your body
just can't handle. Because while you may feel great, there
are a whole lot of risk factors for complication. Especially

(01:46:31):
playing the position of edge rush that Parsons does.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
You've got to have that quick lateral movement.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
So he has said pretty much throughout this recovery process
that he yes, wants to come back as quickly as
possible and help his team win, but he also needs
to And I don't want to call it a business
decision because that sort of implies that he's putting his
own interests ahead of the team.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
But this is the team's interests.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
We want Michael Parsons, who of course made the big
splash with the trade last off season, last training camp,
and they signed him to a massive contract. We need
that contract to pay off. We need Micah Parsons to
be at one hundred percent. In fact, the Packers did
not win a game. It was in Denver. It was

(01:47:17):
there playing against the Denver Broncos, Broncos number one seed
in the AFC, and the Packers were taking it to him.
Parsons get hurt and the Packers loose. They did not
win a game. After Micah Parsons was hurt. Including that
just devastating loss in the playoffs against the Chicago Bears,
which we will not talk about, will remind our friendly

(01:47:39):
Illinois buddies who listened to this show. We do love you,
we do love you, but we will remind you that
we won the one that mattered fifteen years ago in
the NFC Championship game. Just saying, just saying, you can
have that miracle comeback in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Boy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
That so the the cornerback battle is going to be
a strong one, and also you are going to see
it left and right guard. I believe there's some competitions,
so it sort of behooves the Packers to get an
extended look at some of these guys. Of course, the
last thing you want is any sort of injury. I

(01:48:16):
still have nightmares about Oh Boil Boys a long time
ago twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, at least a decade ago,
where Jordie Nelson suffered a torn acl in a preseason
game and he walked off the field and people were thinking, oh,
maybe he's okay, Maybe he's okay, And again I can

(01:48:39):
tell you from suffering that exact injury, No, you can
walk you can absolutely walk, but you cannot run, and
you cannot do much of anything else without excruciating pain.
Packers can ill afford any injuries, especially on the offense,
because defensively, it was very, very very clear that they

(01:49:01):
needed the constant pressure coming from Michaeh Parsons. It was
such a gift that they had that they didn't need
to bring the blitz, they didn't need to sacrifice coverage,
and they were just able to get immense pressure on
the quarterback and you know, get hurries. Get It's not
just the sacks, right, It's not just the knockdowns, it's
the hurries, it's the pressures. It's whenever you're not allowing

(01:49:25):
the quarterback and the entire offense to get into rhythm.
And Michael Parsons is easily the best player in the
league at doing that offensively. Josh Jacobs remains a big
question mark. Yes, he's dealing with an injury. Is at
a groin issue. I believe he's been dealing with it.
But the big question is, even though after that incident

(01:49:46):
in which a girlfriend called police and he was never charged,
is he potentially going to face discipline from the NFL.
My guess is probably not because there were no criminal charges.
Because he was released and there was really no follow
up from authorities in Brown County. I would guess the

(01:50:09):
Packers will have Josh Jacobs, who has been an integral
part of that offense since he joined the team. It
just really opens things up, and now all eyes are
going to be on Matthew Golden after a spectacular playoff
game and a rookie season where he's the first first
round Packers wide receiver draft pick in what twenty years?

(01:50:31):
Was Javon Walker the last one? I believe he was,
And for reasons known only to God and Matt Lafleur,
he doesn't really see the field.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
He's never able to get into a rhythm.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
When he's finally a focal point of the offense by
the playoffs, he feasts. And a whole lot of people,
especially US fantasy football nerds, are really really going to
be watching Matthew Golden and his continued connection with Jordan Love.
I'm told Golden has looked spectacular in training camp practices.

(01:51:06):
We should see at least a couple of series, maybe
the entire first quarter from that first team.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
So if you're.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Going to a high school football game tonight. I guess
tape it tape the Packers game. Or how about this,
you're watching your kid play in his high school football game.
You've got the Packers radio network on a radio in
your headphones. Or maybe you want to listen to the
Dan O'Donnells Show podcast. That's even better. Whatever you are

(01:51:36):
doing tonight, whatever you're doing this weekend, I hope you
have a wonderful one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
We will be back at three h six

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
Monday afternoon to start another busy broadcast week right here
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