Crowley Knows 'Data Center David' is Sticking

On Thursday's "Dan O'Donnell Show," Democratic gubernatorial nominee David Crowley releases his first tv ad of the general election and it isn't just full of provable lies about his record, it also reveals that he is deeply worried about his support for data centers and how it is playing across the state.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
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thirty email d O D at iHeartMedia dot com. Sometimes
you just don't know at the outset of a political
campaign what the most salient issues are going to be,
What are the issues that people are actually going to
base their votes on. Not so in Wisconsin's gubernatorial race.

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Just a little more than a week after the general
election matchup was set, it is clear that data centers
are the single biggest issue in this race, and one
candidate is clearly going on the offensive.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
One is on his heels.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
It is beyond a parent that the nickname Data Center
David is sticking to Democrat David Crowley because of his
support for data centers and fearce opposition to a statewide
moratorium on their construction. That was the position he was
basically forced to stake out during the primary, and it's

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one that earned him the enmity of the left wing
of his party, the socialists who all flocked to Francesco
Hong and will end up voting for Crowley if only
reluctantly they despised his position on data centers, because this
is the clearest evidence that the quote unquote corporate Dems

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that Crowley and his ilk represent to the left wing
that they are selling out this country to the oligarchs.
In fact, Chris Larson, state Senator, very prominent supporter of
Francesco Hong, actually came out in a video and blasted
Crowley for taking three hundred and fifty thousand dollars from

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the trade unions and various other organizations that are putting
on a full court press to try to get as
many data centers built here in Wisconsin as humanly possible.
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Republican candidate Tom Tiffany kicked off a statewide tour of
rural Wisconsin today blasting Crowley directly taking aim at him
over the issue of data centers.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
One hundred thousand acres. That's the city of Green cities
of Green Bay, Appleton, and Ashkajh and that's still not
enough Lane.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
He is claiming that Crowley wants one hundred thousand acres
of Wisconsin land, farmland, wetland, and forest land, barren wasteland,
not just for data centers, but also for the solar
panels that would help power them. It's not just the
data center itself. It's not just the parking lot where

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the employees would park their cars and go into work.
It's not just any outbuildings that would need to be
on the premises. It is also the energy infrastructure that
would need to be up. And Tiffany says that Crowley
wants one hundred thousand acres for data center.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
One hundred thousand acres. That's the city of cities of
Green Bay, Appleton, and Ashkosh, and it's still not enough
land in order to power these data centers.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
It's just crazy.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
We cannot continue on that route. We should not do them.
And David Crowley, he has said that we should not
only just be the leader here in America for data centers,
he says that.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
We should be the global leader.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
That we should be the people that lead with data
centers or the entire globe.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
We cannot allow that to happen.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
We cannot allow it to happen because once our farmland
is gone, it's gone.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
And this is the central line of attack. Tiffany is
taking the decidedly populist stance that our farmland, our heritage,
our way of life as a fundamentally agricultural state is
so important that we can't fundamentally alter it to make
it the Silicon Valley of the Midwest. This is the

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position that Democrats have been taking really since the Scott
Walker days. Remember their vehement opposition to the Fox Con facility.
They hated the idea that somehow well, they hated the
idea that Donald Trump and Scott Walker were going to
get a big, big win ahead of the twenty eighteen

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midterm elections. Now that ended up being a Democrat sweep,
that ended up being a blue waveer, not quite the
big blue waveer that they had wanted, but it was
Nonetheless it didn't go Republican's way. Walker left office, and
then the incoming Evers administration, which of course Tony openly

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campaigned against the fox Con billion dollar giveaway. He made
it as difficult as possible for this company to actually
implement the deal that Walker and his team and the
Trump White House had negotiated. Then, of course COVID nineteen
hit and essentially all business stopped. Then the type of

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screens that were going to be manufactured in the Pleasant
Prairie and the fox connor Mount Pleasant plant became not obsolete,
but there wasn't the need for them. So fox Con
dramatically scaled down all of its operations. The exact arguments
that leftists are using now on environmental grounds that somehow

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data centers are going to suck our lakes and rivers dry. Meanwhile,
in David Crowley's Milwaukee County, you have got the Milwaukee
Metropolitan Sewage District dumping actual raw human waste into our
pristine waterways. Yes, this is a thing that happens. No,
the Milwaukee County executive is not responsible for MMSD, but

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it is yet another example of just how dysfunctional a county.
David Crowley runs that the people who scream loudest about
environmentalism and about how any new development is going to
destroy the pristine waterways literally dump raw poop into rivers
and lakes across Milwaukee every time it rains. So the

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exact same arguments that leftists were using to take down
the Fox Con development are being used now for data centers.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
You'll notice, of course, that.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Tiffany is not using those canards that somehow data centers
are going to suck Lake Michigan dry.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
What he is.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Saying, and what I will admit it took me a
long time to fully understand and empathize with, is that
a data center isn't just a data center.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
A data center.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yes does bring new tax revenue, Yes it does bring
new development. Yes it brings restaurants, it brings motels. There
is just an article in the San Francisco Chronicle a
couple of weeks ago about how data centers saved a
dying town in North Dakota. There is an undeniable tax
benefit to them. It also fundamentally alters the nature of

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a community. It fundamentally turns a sleepy farm town into
a bustling not metropolis, but it turns it into something different.
When the economy suddenly goes from a very small agricultural
output to a tech centered industrial town.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
That changes things. Now.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I will admit I've spent my entire life in Milwaukee County,
Dane County, Waka Shawkai, the biggest counties in Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
In other words, I am.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
About as far from a farm kid as you could
possibly be. The closest I ever got to agg was
walking around the pavilions over at State Fair, and usually
I couldn't stay very long because of the smell of
manure would become overwhelming. Suffice it to say, I probably

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don't have what it takes to live the far life.
I'm a city kid, I'm a suburban kid. I firmly
admit it. I also, though, am very used to living
in places that have a decidedly different character than where
a whole lot of people in this state live. And

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when I was talking for months about data centers, and
I still make the exact same economic arguments about them.
I believe they are a net benefit. I didn't empathize
enough with those of you who live in rural communities.
It's easy for me to say, I live right by
a freeway. I live, Yes, I live by a good

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amount of farmland. But a new subdivision, I've got a
target down the street, cost co anything and everything you
could possibly want in a larger suburb. Would it be
a huge thing if a data center went in.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
There's development going in all the time, some of it
the community wants, some it doesn't. But none of it
would change the nature of the city I live in.
None of it would turn the city from a bustling
suburban city on the rise into an agricultural town. By

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the same token, I never really appreciated, how, you know what,
people don't want something that would transform a sleepy agricultural town.
People live there, people live their entire life, generations live
there because of that lifestyle. It is therefore a very
powerful message coming from Tom Tiffany that you've got this

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guy from Milwaukee County who doesn't give a good gosh
darn Because you know, Tiffany is too much of a
down home Wisconsin I to actually say the swear version
of that about anybody in rural Wisconsin, in fact, probably
makes it pretty easy for him to say. Just about
two weeks ago on WTMJ Radio, I believe it was

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the Steve Scaffiti Show.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
It might have been one of their podcasts.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I apologize it was WTMJ Radio or their digital podcast operation.
Crowley literally said, yeah, yeah, in Milwaukee County and Dane County,
we've got enough data centers. We want to export them
into rural communities so they can sort of share in
the Well.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
We already have some data centers here, right, and so
we see that WEDC they find a lot of tech
opportunities here in Milwaukee and Madison and a little bit
now in green Bay.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
But how do we spread that wealth across the entire state?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
We already have some data centers here, right, and so
we see that WEDC they find a lot of tech
opportunities here in Milwaukee and Madison and a little bit
now in Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
But how do we spread that wealth across the entire state?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, it was such a salient point that he had
to repeat it. I have no idea why the SoundBite
repeated us, there technical issues on our end, but you
got double the impact of that. He's perfectly fine exporting
it to your community, to your rural community, to your

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suburban community.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Milwaukee County. Well, we've got.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Enough data centers, thank you very much. This is like
the ultimate in nimbiism. And Crowley has said this for months,
going all the way back to last November one of
the very first candidate forums. Actually know this wasn't last November.
This would have been March. In one of the very

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first candidate forums after Crowley got into this race, he said, look,
and this was done to differentiate himself from the other
leftists on stage with him. He said, we need to
turn Wisconsin into a data center hub for the entire world.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
I do think that there's an opportunity for us to
become AI and the data hub foot not only for
the entire countable for the entire globe and really sets
us really apart in making sure that we can continue
to invest in in businesses and companies here.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
He's been saying that pretty consistently. In fact, at one
of the final candidate forums, he was again asked about
his position whether he supports a statewide moratorium, meaning should
this state temporarily stop all construction of new data centers.
He said, absolutely not, because that would actually destroy local control.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
Well, I think that putting a full moratorium actually takes
away local control. It actually pre imps local municipalities, because
there may be manufacturing plants that have already been shuttered,
and there may be communities who are looking to bring
these in and wanting to hold them accountable.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, that does not sound like a man who wants
to hold data centers accountable. It sounds like a man
who wants as many of them as possible, just not
in his community. And this is sort.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Of a theme with data centers, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Dog gone, Well that Elon Musk is not going to
be able to put a Tesla data center in California
or New York State. It's got to be a red state.
It's got to be someplace like Wisconsin. So Democrat states
are total non starters. Just the same logic applies to

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Democrat counties. Do you really think Democrat controlled counties like Dane,
like Milwaukee are really going to allow new data center construction?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Of course they're not.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
They absolutely will not. Crowley wouldn't let them in Milwaukee County,
but in those red counties where those farmer hicks on
their dying family farms live, they would be better off
just selling to the data center. So where there once
were cornfields, there are now fields of solar panels. That's

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the dismissiveness. That's really ultimately what this is about. My
position on data centers has not changed one iode. I
do believe we should welcome investment in the economy of
the future, but this idea that we should just dump
them into communities like Port Washington or wherever else just

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because they're the only ones that will allow it, because
sure as hell, Democrat controlled counties like David Crowley's Milwaukee
will not. Crowley, however, is feeling the heat, and it's
very rare to see a Democrat candidate on his heels
this badly, this early in any sort of statewide race.

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In fact, the only thing that comes to mind is
four years ago when Ron Johnson, Wisconsin's editor, just absolutely
unloaded on Mandela Barnes, and Barnes, coming out of a
topsy turvy primary sound Familiar, was.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Completely unable to mount to defense.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Crowley is only out with his first TV ad of
the general election today. Tom Tiffany, who didn't have a primary,
had one opponent, Josh Showman, the Washington County executive, who
did an incredible service by dropping out of the race
when it was clear Tiffany got the Trump endorsement that

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he was going to be the candidate, so we didn't
have the sort of knockdown, dragout street fight that the
Democrats had. Tom Tiffany put out his first statewide ad
in something like April, and he has been able to
blanket the airwaves across this state with his message, introducing
himself as the down home Wisconsin bore and he's the

(18:00):
damn man right. He introduced you to his mom. He
loves the packers and bucks and brewers and Badgers.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
He's just like you. Well now he is attack. He says, Look,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Want our heritage, our farmland, our beautiful state taken over
by what David Crowley wants, not in his county but
in yours. Crowley's very first ad, released today makes it
abundantly clear he is terrified of this issue. He knows
he is on the wrong side of it, and he

(18:35):
has got to do damage control quickly.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
Here it is I'm David Crowley, and I'm running to
be governor for all of us.

Speaker 9 (18:41):
David Crowley emphasizes what he calls practical bipartisan solutions.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
I've gotten things done, balancing the budget while delivering the
largest property tax.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Cut in our history.

Speaker 10 (18:51):
But the progress we've made isn't nearly enough, with cost
shooting up, bread.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Getting less even if you're making more.

Speaker 10 (18:57):
So I've laid out my vision for Wisconsin that works
for everyone. Hold data centers accountable and make them pay,
expand badgercare, lower costs, in a lot more jobs, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Let's get to work.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
First of all, Yes, we will be thoroughly debunking the
lies he told about balanced budgets and giant property tax cuts.
Those are absolute, provable lies. But what was the very
first policy position he took. That's right, holding data centers
accountable and making them pay. Why is that the first

(19:32):
position you outline? If you don't think that is a big,
big issue that people need to know, coming from your campaign,
coming from your mouth, that also is not true. We'll
discuss all of it. Take some of your phone calls
as well. When the dan o'donald as promised we go
out to the phones and talk to Dora from Hale's

(19:54):
Corners up first on the Dan o'donald show.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
It's going on. Dora.

Speaker 11 (19:58):
Hi, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Just wanted to
let you know I am a die hard conservative and
I holy support putting an AI center right snack in
Manila Dane County and letting them suck up as much
water from Lake Mendota as they would like.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I'll tell you what, you could power a data center
for the next one hundred years. Just on the hot
air coming out of UW Madison classrooms and the state capitol.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Everybody said, you know what Hale's Corners. I obviously know
it well. I technically grew up in Greenfield, but Hales
Corners is sort of my adopted hometown. I went to
Whitnell High School, I went to Saint Mary's, Hales Corners.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
And Dora. I probably grew up very near to you.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
The people in Dane County, the people in Milwaukee County,
where Hall's Corners is, they always say, okay, well, we
need to put data centers in places like Mount Pleasant
and Port Washington and oh, by the way, the one
hundred thousand acres that David Crowley wants for data centers.
Those are just for those two in addition to the

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data center itself in Port Washington and Mount Pleasant. Crowley
wants one hundred percent renewable energy to power them. How
many in Wisconsin where it's gray and cloudy for sixty
percent of the year, how many solar panels do you

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think you would need to power a data center? I
love your ideas.

Speaker 11 (21:32):
You could probably rip up a whole bunch of that
stuff around the university, put in all those power griss in.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
How about this? How about this? How about this? The
Badgers had it down year last year in football? Do
we really need Camp Randall? Do we really need Camp brand?
We could have a massive data center right there. I mean,
I would suggest just ripping out the University of Wisconsin
Madison Political Science building because really nothing of value comes

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out of there. Let's replace it with a data center.
You'll notice none of the Libs ever say yeah, let's
put them in our communities. We want other communities to
reap the economic windfall. And there is a tremendous economic windfall,
ladies and gentlemen. Number of people seem to believe mistakenly

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that there is not corollary businesses that go up next
to data centers. An applied digital data center known as
Polaris Forge. Actually I think it's called the Applied Digital
Paris Forge complex in Ellendale, North Dakota. There was just

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an article in the San Francisco Chronicle of all places,
about how it absolutely saved a struggling town before or
the data center went in. Annual sales tax revenue is
about four hundred thousand dollars in the first seven months
of twenty twenty six, or excuse me, last year, in
the first seven months of twenty twenty six, reading from

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the article, now, it reached three point five million dollars.
Taxable property value projected to rise tenfold from three point
five million to thirty five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's just property taxes.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Construction and operations have driven hotel sales up thirty one percent,
restaurant sales up seven percent, gas stations up three percent.
That's revenue in sales taxes. That's revenue for small business owners.
It's clearly driving massive, massive uh boons.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
But there is a.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Downside Ellendale losing is its character as being Now this
was not an agriculture this was sort of a dying
industrial town when the plant left, jobs.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Left with it, people left with it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
If a community says, hey, you know what, we don't
have a ton of agriculture, we don't have a ton
of industry, we don't have a service economy. We're not
taking in the tax revenue that can sustain our government,
we might want to do this. That's when you bring
into data center. It is the height of arrogance to say, well,

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we're going to put a data center in your community,
not in ours, in yours, all right. David Crowley's very
first add an excellent call, excellent suggestion, Dora four one,
four seven, nine, nine eleven thirty. I know there are
a lot of opinions on data centers, and this is
sort of going to be a running theme throughout today's show. Yes,

(24:57):
unhinge Liberal of the day coming up daily Trump Day.
The President and First Lady just spoke ahead of the
big racing event to formally end the America two fifty celebrations.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
We'll get to all of that and much much more.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
But David Crowley's very first ad in this race out
today shows a he cannot possibly be honest about his
disastrous record running Milwaukee County, and b he is terrified
that the data center David attacks are sticking.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
I'm David Crowley, and I'm running to be governor for
all of us.

Speaker 9 (25:35):
David Crowley emphasizes what he calls practical bipartisan solutions.

Speaker 10 (25:39):
I've gotten things done, balancing the budget while delivering the
largest property.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Tax cut in our history. But the progress we that
is a lie.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
In fact, according to Milwaukee County's own estimates, by twenty
thirty one, there will be a one hundred and sixty
one one million dollar budget deficit from Crowley's Milwaukee County budget.
He delivered the largest property tax cut ever. Was that

(26:11):
another talking point?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Wrong?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Property taxes went right back up after a one year reprieve,
which just happened to coincide with David Crowley running for
reelection in twenty twenty four. They went down because Milwaukee
County signed a huge sales tax increase. The county executive
who signed it into law David Crowley through Act twelve.

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What does David Crowley say to this day is his
proudest achievement as county executive. Act twelve nearly doubling Milwaukee
County's sales tax, soaking every single person who buys anything
in Milwaukee by definition, making everything you purchase in his
county less affordable because you are paying point four four

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percent more in sales taxes on it than you did
before Data Center David got his hands on this. The
property tax levy has gone up by millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Let's continue with this.

Speaker 10 (27:15):
Isn't nearly enough with cost shooting up, bread getting less
even if you're making more.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
So I've laid out my vision for Wisconsin that works
for everyone.

Speaker 10 (27:22):
Old data Center is accountable and make them pay expand badgercare,
lower costs, in a lot more jobs, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Let's get to work.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Uh ha. The very first thing he says, at costs.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Are shooting up, affordability is an issue, glossing over the
fact he literally made everything less affordable. This is I
cannot believe they nominated the guy who literally signed into
law and says it's his proudest achievement. A bill that
makes by definition again everything you buy in Milwaukee County,

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with very few exceptions, much more expensive. He made everything
being less affordable for people who can ill afford these
cost increases. But he's saying, all right, everything is unaffordable.
How do we make things more for by holding data
centers accountable and making them pay more. The fact that

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that is the very first thing of substance that he says,
the very first thing as your governor, I'm going to
hold data centers accountable and make them pay more, is
a very direct admission that the first week of this
campaign has been a disaster for David Crowley on the
heels and he's on his heels of Tom Tiffany going

(28:41):
so hard and essentially taking a key populist issue away
from the Democrat Party. In fact, if I were Tom Tiffany,
I would go equally hard against the use of flock cameras.
Just take the issues that the left has been demagogueing
on for months and use it against them.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Just use it against them.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
But this goes far beyond just a policy difference. This
goes to who do we want to be as a
state of Wisconsin. You're listening to the Dan O'Donnell Show.
We will discuss that coming up next after this break.
Tom Tiffany all Day today on a tour of rural Wisconsin,

(29:26):
taking aim at Democrat David Crowley for his support of
data centers that has earned them the nickname data Center
David Crowley at his second appearance on that tour today said, look, Crowley,
he wants massive subsidies for data centers. He does not

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want to get rid of the tax subsidy for the
construction of data centers.

Speaker 12 (29:53):
Like Tiffany dunces, he wants uses that are going to
these rich Wall investors.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Why I have one, but I think selling as the
next seller. We will not have these subsidies that are going.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
To go to that where they buy on land and
you get a bill.

Speaker 13 (30:20):
We are going to stop that.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
We're not going to have.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It's actually kind of remarkable about that is Tiffany was
using the language of the left. He was that we
are not going to allow big data. We are not
going to allow these wealthy Wall Street types to come
in and basically use us as an economic opportunity zone

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while destroying the character of the rural communities that you love.
That This is actually kind of amazing, and it's it's
an understanding I think of the politics of this, that
opposition to data centers cuts across political lines.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Again, I am a big supporter.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
In fact, I've got to give a shout out to
one of the better suggestions that I've heard today from
Monica w watching us on our YouTube channel.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
She says the abandoned Northridge.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Mall site would be a perfect spot for a data
center if David Crowley really wants them, and really wants
them to be tightly regulated and he wants to hold
them accountable. Why does any push for a data center?
Port Washington is fighting tooth and nail against the data
center in its community.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Why don't they just.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Move a little bit down the road to the north
side of Milwaukee. How come nobody ever suggests a data
center there that would actually be a perfect spot for it.
You've got how many different abandoned areas of the city
of Milwaukee that could be thoroughly transformed. We could have,

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you know, solar panels as far as the eye could
see to power this thing.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Nope, don't want it there.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Only in the far flung corners of the state that
liberals never traveled.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Weird how that works.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
But it's not just Republicans, it's not just lying Tom
Tiffany saying this about data center David Crowley that he's
basically in the pocket of the trade unions and the
people who want all of the construction on the data
centers to go to them. In fact, Chris Larson, the

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very far left state senator, who of course was supporting
Francesco Hang in the Democratic gubernatorial primary. During that primary said, look,
Crowley wants to sell this state out to the people
who want to build data centers everywhere.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Because he got three hundred.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
And fifty thousand dollars in that sweet, sweet campaign cash
from those exact same people.

Speaker 14 (33:11):
Carley is the only candidate to refuse to repeal the
two billion dollar tax cut for data centers. Part of
this may be that the three hundred and fifty grand
that he got from interest groups immediately after his instrance
into the race came from the same groups that are
building data centers. But even Tom Tiffany has said that
he would repeal that two billion dollar sales tax break.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Out of the mouths of babes, well, out of the
mouths of boobs, What did they say? Even the blind
squirrel can find the occasional nut. Thank you very much,
Senator Larson for proving my point that this is an
issue that.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Cuts across the political spectrum.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I'm very fond of adapting Tip O'Neil's famous phrase, all
politics is local to the modern equivalent all politics is personal.
We no longer have that. The race is not to
localize every election anymore. The race is to nationalize it.
Crowley desperately wants to make this a referendum on Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
This is why.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Republicans so desperately wanted to run against Francesca Hon because
a Francesca Hon is a certifiable crazy person with ideas
and political affiliation with the Democratic Socialists of America that
is about less popular than seasonal influenza in public opinion polls.

(34:37):
But also because she was just not on the right
side of these issues, and her views and her affiliation
her socialist beliefs would have taken all of the attention
away from Trump. In essence, running against Francesca Hong would

(34:59):
have been a referendum on socialism. Crowley tried to take
the offense back in this race by saying, all right,
Tom Tiffany, he is a maga Republican. In his acceptance
speech the morning after the primary election, right after their
little unity brunch, he said, Tom Tiffany and the Maga

(35:24):
Tom Tiffany is Maga Maga Maga, Maga maga maga. Well,
Tiffany successfully took the maga element out of this race
by immediately going on the attack, not on ideology, not
on Crowley's record, but on the most salient issue and
successfully outflanking him, I don't want to say, on the left,

(35:45):
but successfully staking out the populist position that Crowley is
now desperately Well, well, you know, I actually do support
strict regulations on data centers, and you know we want
to hold them account. When you have got even Chris
Larson saying no, no, no, no no. You took the cash
from the people who are literally building data centers across

(36:08):
the state and stand to make a ton of money
off of the construction of them.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
In the future, you are.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Going to be the candidate who is going to bring
data centers not to your county, because if he was
serious about this, Northridge.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Would indeed be the perfect.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Spot for a new data center. But he wants to
bring them not to his community but to yours. We
name the unhinged liberal of the day. Coming up next,
the unhinged Liberal.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Of the day.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Now, I can't prove that today's unhinged liberals of the
day are in fact all liberals, but come on, who
goes to a public place, such as outside a courtroom
in Massachusetts, wearing all pink to cheer for a woman
who murdered her children. That's exactly what happened today.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Those women dressed in pink, all looking suspiciously like middle
aged and boomer libs, actually thanked Lindsey Clancy as her
car drove by on the way to today's trial proceedings,
which halted very suddenly after questioning of a defense witness

(37:35):
regarding Clancy allegedly hearing a male voice telling her to
strangle her three young children, including an eight month old baby,
and then attempt to kill herself. This case, this trial
really became one of the most closely watched this week
as it sort of became a dividing line, I think

(37:58):
for people who think rationally about issues surrounding mental health,
people who don't, and people who politicize them and try
to make this into a feminist issue. Postpartum depression happens.
It affects one in eight to one in nine new mothers.

(38:20):
It is a very real thing. Postpartum psychosis is so
incredibly rare. It's less than one in one thousand new mothers.
That is like zero point zero one percent of every
woman in this country who gives birth. It is a
very rare thing. The evidence to me, as I discussed yesterday,

(38:42):
and we can get back in this a little bit
later in the show, because I think it is a
fascinating glimpse into the psyche of America.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I don't believe she was actually suffering from postpartum psychosis
at all. Dan O'donnald show, coming right back with the
Daily Thing next. There is just so much with the
Lindsey Clancy murder trial. I didn't get to say nearly
what I wanted to yesterday. We had a very nice

(39:15):
woman from Appleton call in and thank me for not
trying to demagogue the thing, not trying to say like, oh,
postpartum depression isn't real. Modern women are just terrible. No,
postpartum depression is very, very very real. It's very widespread.
And consider yourself lucky if you or your wife didn't

(39:40):
go through it, right that you didn't have just and
it's not it is not.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
And this is the thing.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
We have a very I think guys, most of us,
especially conservative guys, we have a very old school thought
process when it comes to mental health that well, it's
just some sort of personal weakness or no. What we
have found out is that the overwhelming determinant of brain

(40:10):
function and mood and all of it is simple brain chemistry.
It is you are not deploying enough, say seratonin, in
your brain to raise your mood. Your brain is not
producing enough of the chemicals that make you feel quote

(40:30):
unquote normal. I myself have been very, very open, far
more open than somebody in my position should probably be
about my own mental health. I mean, I've been on
boy a number of different SSR eyes as they're derisively
known in a lot of conservative circles.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
They have been miracle drugs for me. I'm telling you I.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Take as terrorists, which is it treats ADHD and I.
I think I've told this story how I started taking these.
My wife and I went to a weight loss clinic,
right and they give you basically it's like an adderall right,

(41:18):
it's adderall My wife is texting me, she says, it's
actually stomach chemistry and your gut micro biome that controls
These are the things we talk about in my marriage.
You see, the spark is not gone between mister and
missus O'Donnell.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
We were talking about.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
She sent me a video today on Andrew Wilson and
the way that liberals debate and basically the difference in
morality and the idea of right versus wrong, the difference
that conservatives and liberals view the world. So we talk
about gut microbiomes and like deep psychological and political stuff.

(41:58):
That's like pillow talk right before. That's the gut micro vibe. Okay, No,
and speaking of pillow talk, I am going to be
on the couch tonight, thank you very much. But no,
we went to a weight loss clinic.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
And we.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's actually it's funny. We went to what we thought
we were going to one that advertised on the radio
station about a year or two years ago, and we
actually went to a different one that has a very
very similar name. And they don't give you the shot
oh zepic or a GLP one or something like that.

(42:40):
They give you essentially adderall. They give you a low
dose of adderall. I forget what the actual medication was.
It's a very effective appetite suppressant. And Megan took it
and was off it within a day. She's like, oh
my god, this is this is awful. I took it
and I don't know if this is controlling my appetite.
But holy cow, like for the first time in a

(43:02):
long time, I'm actually thinking clearly, like my brain can
actually focus the way it should. And sure enough, I
kept taking this stuff, and she, being the smarter of
the two of us, said hey, you should probably get
yourself diagnosed with ADHD because you can't continue to treat

(43:23):
your symptoms at a weight loss clinic forever. So I
did got diagnosed and actually got on as terris, which
it really it has a demonstrable effect.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I'm not going to therapy. I'm not talking to a psychologist.
It is literally the way my brain works. It needs that.
And I don't get high. It's not like I'm snorting
the I'm not like high on meth.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
You see me on the danocam scratching myself because you
know there are bugs underneath my skin.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
No, it's just it's my.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Brain works a little bit differently, and I needed that
chemical regulation in order to think clearly and more effectively.
I was always able to be very successful, he said,
with no false modesty. But you know I always got
you know, top grades in high school and college and
law school and everything, and back in my day. You know,

(44:17):
if you got good grades, you were never ever tested
for ADHD because it's well, he's doing just fine, thank
you very much. Well, no, it was just because you know,
I was able to write, and you know I was
just very good at school. School doesn't test how smart
you are. School tests how good you are at school. That,
don't get me wrong, very very important. But it's a

(44:37):
specific type of learning that my brain happened to be
very conducive to. I am not at all saying that
someone else has meant and this is why I am
always I am such an advocate for mental health and
will never like when Francesco Hong came out, there was
an interview that resurfaced that when she was eighteen she

(45:00):
was struggling, did you have a tempted suicide or suicidal gesture?
She overdosed on lithium. I believe I didn't even and
people were sort of using that on social media. I
thought that was so far below the belt, and I
actually had a tremendous amount of respect for Francesca for

(45:20):
being so open about that, Like that is something like
I see it as my mission to say, you know what,
if even the right wing radio guy can admit like, hey,
there's some stuff about him that isn't quite right and
he needs to, you know, help out. I've been on

(45:40):
a stelepram, which is basically a generic form of lexapro,
to deal with anxiety for years, and I have referred
I can't even tell you how many people to say, hey,
maybe you should ask your doctor about this. If you're
just feeling generalized anxiety, you're not anxient like everybody feels
anxious about something. I feel really, really, really anxious before

(46:04):
most packer playoff games. It's almost like I can sense
what's going to happen. It's like they're going to lose
in gut wrenching fashion, and you know, you can kind
of you have that sense of impending due. But when
you just have that sense of like being on edge,
sometimes it's something as.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Simple as your brain chemistry.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
So we will get into the Linsey Clancy case and
try to talk about this logically, because way too many
conservatives are saying postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis are not real.
Way too many liberals are just going absolutely crazy. The
videos that are going viral right now are liberal women,

(46:45):
and I assume they're liberals. Because conservatives don't do this
sort of performative insanity throwing ice cubes into their bathtubs
to keep them from I don't know, violently assaulting their top. I.
I do hope child Protective Services is on standby for

(47:06):
at least some of these women, because some of this
stuff is a little disturbing.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
The idea here.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
That this is just sort of well, she didn't get
enough help from her husband, that was the product. No,
this was a deeply disturbed and I believe very evil
human being who did something unspeakably evil.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
All right, So enough of that.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
As I'm as I'm previewing the next hour for About Tech,
you know, should I just keep going with this? Producer Eric,
why switch gears and do the Daily Trump? Producer Eric says,
it's your show? Yeah, okay, So well it's because it's
something you're indeed about. How all right, we're going to
postpone the Daily Trump date, so if we can get

(47:54):
our videographer to sort of update, we're going to talk.
We're gonna talk some Lindsey Klants today at the Lindsay
Clancy trial. And if you have not been following this,
it became the trial dujoure about two or three days ago,
and as with everything, it sort of started on social

(48:15):
medium as people were sort of debating. The basic facts
of the case are these. In early January of twenty
twenty three, Clancy, who was the mother of a five
year old, a three year old, and an eight month old,
strangled them. She went into the basement, took exercise bands,

(48:35):
got each of the kids down there individually, and killed
them all. Two of them I believe were pronounced dead
at the scene or a short time later. The eight
month old died about a day or two later. After that,
Clancy cut her wrists I believe, took a bunch of pills,
and then threw herself out a second story window, where

(48:59):
she was paralyzed from the chest down.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
She uses a wheelchair.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
She is charged with three counts of Massachusetts equivalent of
first degree intentional homicide. She is claiming an insanity defense,
as she says that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis
at the time. Now, a lot of people misinterpret and
misunderstand the insanity defense, and I'll admit I did too

(49:27):
before I really started, you know, immersing myself in the
law and learning about this stuff. When you plead insanity,
you are saying, you are basically conceding that you did
whatever it is that you're charged with. So there is
no doubt. It is stipulated by both the prosecution and
defense that Lindsey Clancy murdered her three children, She killed

(49:48):
them by strangulation, and then attempted to kill herself in
January of twenty twenty three. Those facts are not in dispute,
despite what you have heard on TikTok the kids. She claims, however,
that because she was suffering from postpartum psychosis, she did

(50:08):
not understand the difference between right and wrong. She did
not understand that what she was doing was morally, ethically,
legally wrong, and therefore, because she did not understand the
gravity of her actions, she cannot be held liable. A

(50:30):
lot of people think, well, if you're just crazy like
Jeffrey Dahmer, Jeffrey Dahmer.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Killed an eight people, all right.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
There's a very famous quote yesterday I talked about this
from his attorney, Gerald Boyle. How after the insanity defense
was rejected, he said, how many people do you have
to eat in this state before you're declared insane?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
That kind of misses the point.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Now, This was intentional by a very skilled atturne Hernie.
But Dahmer knew the difference between right and wrong. He
attempted to cover up his actions. He tried to get
away with murdering a whole bunch of young men and
tragically at least one teenage boy. And it was obvious

(51:17):
that he knew what he was doing was wrong. He
knew what he was doing would land him in prison.
In fact, he gave a very famous interview with the
TV anchor Stone Phillips in which he said, yes, I
fully understood what I was doing. I understand how evil
I am.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
It was.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
He was remarkably self aware. Was he insane, Yes, was
he unspeakably evil? Absolutely? Is he one of the worst
monsters in American history, without question. But he was not
legally insane because he understood what he did was wrong,
he took steps to cover his tracks. Your classic example

(51:56):
of an insanity defense is somebody who goes out in
public is completely, you know, shirtless, maybe naked, grab a hammer,
they beat somebody to death with it, and then when
the police arrived, they're just calmly sitting there in a
day making no effort to conceal what they did, making

(52:16):
no effort to escape. They have no idea what they
just did. They're then committed to a mental institution and
they are not guilty because they cannot comprehend it. They
don't have the requisite men's raya or a state of
mind to be able to be tried. Very classic example

(52:39):
of this. Do you remember Andrea Yates? You remember the
Andrea Yates case. In fact, there is ample evidence that
Lindsey Clancy was researching Andrea Yates. Yates years and years
and years ago killed her children. She was actually found

(53:04):
not guilty by reason of insanity. This was oh Boy,
ninety three, ninety four, and she it was just a
very very tragic case. She drowned her children. I think
all of them were under seven or eight years old.

(53:25):
She was convicted of capital murder. She was sentenced to life,
but the conviction was overturned. In two thousand and six,
she was retried and found not guilty by reason of insanity.
Since two thousand and seven, she has been committed to
a state mental health facility, a state hospital in Texas.

(53:48):
She has been able to be released every year, just
like do you remember the slender Man girl?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Peyton?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
No, what was her name Morgan Geyser. Morgan Geyser. Remember
she and her weirdo PERV boyfriend. They made their great
escape right around Christmas Thanksgiving last year. They were on
the run and they were taken back into custody down
in Illinois. She was, you know, committed to a mental

(54:17):
health facility. Yates has refused, She has waived her annual
hearings for release because she believes that what she did
was so monstrous, what she did was so awful that
she deserves to be where she is for the rest
of her life. That is actually a case where I

(54:38):
believe somebody was absolutely not guilty by reason of insanity.
She was on very serious antipsychotic medication. She had recently
discontinued the medicine. She was hallucinating, she was she actually
was diagnosed with postpartum psychosis. She was schizophrenic. I mean,

(55:03):
she just had a long list of mental health problems. She, however,
did not really make any sort of effort to escape.
In fact, I believe she was the one who actually
called nine to one to one and confessed. If memory
serves on this case, that is a classic case like, hey,

(55:26):
I just drowned my children. Why would you do that unless,
holy cow, she just had a complete psychotic break.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
She's got a moment of lucidity. She's back.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
But another one was the transgender who attempted to murder
Brett Kavanaugh. He was actually the one. He travels all
the way from California. He winds up after midnight in
Kavanaugh's neighborhood in Chevy Chase, Maryland, a couple of years ago.
This was right after the.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Roe v. Wade decision. The Dobs v.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Jackson twenty twenty two discis that overturned row was leaked
and he was He admitted he was going to kill
Brett Kavanaugh. He had a moment of lucidity. He calls
his sister, and the sister urges him to turn himself in.
He does that. That was one whereas okay, you know, hey,
that said he was planning this such you don't go

(56:21):
cross country in a moment of a psychotic break. The
Lindsey Clancy case is very, very different from Andrea Yates.
We'll explain how, and we'll explain exactly what this does.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Say about the people who view this.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
It's sort of like the Rashamon effect, where the same
event can be viewed by a bunch of different people,
you get a bunch of different interpretations of that event.
We will get to the daily Trump day at the
start of the five o'clock hour. Also thwarted terror attack
in New York State a terrifying one. A woman attempted

(57:04):
to bomb the New York State House as we approach
the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven. This was
an Islamist isis inspired attempted terror attack.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
We'll have the details.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Also, Sean Duffy, favorite local son, great friend of the
Dan o'donald show, also happens to be the US Transportation Secretary.
His wife, Rachel Compost Duffy, a Fox News personality going
viral today for on There.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Is it a reality show?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I'm still not exactly sure what it is they're being
taped for, but on there it looks like a reality show.
I mean, they're both reality show veterans.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Why not.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
They are telling their daughter she is not allowed to
go to Harvard University. It is creating a great deal
of debate. We'll get into that coming up in the
five o'clock hour. Right now, though, back to the Lindsey
Clancy case that I think everyone is allowing their preconceived

(58:03):
ideas about mental health, about feminism, about women, about men,
about see this is one of these This is one
of these topics. This is one of these stories that
has a very low bar to entry. And what I
mean by that is, you don't need a whole lot
of background knowledge. You don't need to have studied up

(58:28):
on the law regarding not guilty by reason of insanity, defenses,
or psychology or the effects of antipsychotic medication or anything
like that. You can just say, Okay, the woman claimed
she was crazy, she strangled her three kids, and the

(58:49):
husband wasn't helping enough. And I feel just like Lindsey
Clancy sometimes. So I'm going to film myself on TikTok
angrily throwing ice cube into a bathtub. Now, seriously, this
is like the TikTok trend right now that live women
are doing because they feel the same as Lindsay Clancy.

(59:09):
Promise you you do not please trust me. You do
not feel the same as Lindsay Clancy. Either she was
so psychotic at the time that she killed her children
that she cannot be found criminally liable. She cannot be
found guilty, or she is one of the more evil

(59:32):
people you could ever possibly come across. I do not
believe that she was, in fact so far gone mentally
that she had no idea what it was she was doing.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I just I so.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
One of the things that you look for in the law,
and you will get people who have treated her, doctors
who have treated clancy, or experts to testify to, is
if you have linear goal oriented thought, if you act
with the intent to do things that you then follow

(01:00:12):
through on doing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Meaning And I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Don't mean Okay, she's setting out to write the great
American novel, she didn't do it. That means she's crazy. No,
What I mean is that you can go through your
day to day life and you are mentally healthy enough
to be able to do normal, ordinary things. On the
day of the murders, she took her daughter to an

(01:00:38):
appointment with the pediatrician. She talked with a manager at
CVS to arrange a pickup of a medicine for that daughter.
She ordered takeout food. She seemed to be doing just fine.
That is clear linear goal oriented thinking. Not only that

(01:01:05):
she ordered takeout at a place where her husband would
have to be gone for a longer than usual amount
of time, and she kept checking up on him through
her find my app on her phone. In other words,
she knew that if he came back and found her

(01:01:26):
strangling the children, he might have a problem with that. Again,
that is evidence of criminal intent. Not only that. A
couple of days before the murders, she's searching on her phone,
can you treat a sociopath? She's searching various mental disorders,
She's searching about hallucinations. She is keeping a diary saying

(01:01:50):
that my mental health is deteriorating. I believe that is
potentially evidence that she was She's sought treatment from something
like eight different doctors, and she was on thirteen different
psychiatric medications in the span of just a couple of months.
Oftentimes she was not telling one doctor what the other

(01:02:13):
doctor was prescribing, so she would get all of the
There is evidence that these drugs are interacting. Who knows
what sort of impact that that had on her brain.
But either she's keeping this diary and saying, hey, my
mental health is deteriorating to set up a potential insanity defense,

(01:02:33):
or she's honest about it and she's saying, hey, man,
something's wrong, something is not right. Again, that is evidence
of linear, goal oriented, goal directed thought. She is able
to she is she is aware that her mental health

(01:02:53):
is deteriorating. Just because you are not mentally well, this
is critical, does not mean you lack the ability to
appreciate the gravity of the consequences of your actions and
therefore cannot be criminally tried. Now, I believe it was
Matt Walsh, very prominent conservative at the Daily Wire, who

(01:03:17):
set off a whole lot of the discourse surrounding Lindsey
Clancy and up to this. This trial has been going
on for a long time, for several weeks, because it
is a very involved case. It is not just cut
and dry. Hey, there's a witness that saw her going.
You know, it's very, very difficult to prove that this

(01:03:39):
woman could in fact appreciate the gravity of her of
her actions, could appreciate the consequence of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
What she was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
So this trial has been going on for a while,
but it was only this week, and I believe it's
when the TikTok Elgo started showing this case to a
critical mass of twenty something white liberal women that it
really went into the stratosphere of the public consciousness. Walsh

(01:04:10):
said something to the effect of Hey, postpartum depression is
not real. This is just part and parcel of modern
women being selfish, not wanting kids, wanting to live the
party girl lifestyle well into their thirties and forties. That's
not correct. I have a tremendous amount of respect for

(01:04:31):
Matt Walsh. I think he's fantastic. He's very insightful and entertaining.
On this one, he's just wrong. He's incorrect. Liberal women, though,
have seen Clancy as something of a martyr, as sort
of the example of just how far women can be
pushed when society neglects them. Society does not appreciate what

(01:04:57):
it is that mothers do. That's also incorrect. That is
absolutely not that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
You may hate my guts twenty somethingter liberal women who
just stumbled onto this radio show or live stream, but
I believe that you have nothing in common with Lindsay Clancy.
No matter how mad you are at your husband, no
matter how you think he doesn't help enough with the kids,

(01:05:26):
I am fully confident you are not going to strangle them.
Clancy was either very very mentally ill, evil, or a
combination of both, and reality is always much more difficult

(01:05:47):
to ascertain and it's always much more messy, much messier
than convenient televised sound bites.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
This is a messy case, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
It it speaks to, I think some of the darker
aspects of the human condition, that there are people out
there and sometimes we like to pretend that, well, yes,
we know murder exists kind of in the abstract, but
that's for drug deals go on bad and gang turf wars,

(01:06:21):
and that doesn't happen in upper middle class suburbian Certainly
it doesn't happen a woman murders or child. One of
the reasons that this is such a big news story
is it's man bites dog. Right, it's old saying in
the news. Dog bites man. That's not a news story.
It happens all the time. Man bites dog, that's a story.

(01:06:44):
Very rarely do you see a dude just kind of
take a bite out of a dog, except, of course,
in Springfield, Ohio, where we learn from President Trump during
that presidential debate that they're eating the dogs, they're eating
the cats in Springfield. As a man bites dog story, literally,
it is so beyond I think what we're accustomed to

(01:07:05):
in American society that we sort of have to ascribe
some sort of political or cultural relevance and cultural explanation
to it. For example, what Walsh is saying what a
lot of conservatives are saying. Look, these women are just
looking for an out. They're selfish, their self centered, they

(01:07:28):
resent their children, and this one just took it too far,
and she's using an excuse of a mental malady.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
That doesn't exist. That's not correct.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Liberals, especially liberal women, are saying, Look, society, American society
is so patriarchal, it is so misogynistic, It treats women,
especially mothers, so poorly, that of course she was going
to be pushed to this. It is society's fault. It

(01:07:57):
is the patriarchy's fault. And we stand with you, Lindsey,
because we have been victimized by the patriarchy too. That
is also beyond incorrect. This is a case about whether
a woman committed an act of unhinged, deranged evil and

(01:08:18):
recognized the consequences of what she did, or was so
mentally ill that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
She could not. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It says nothing more about American society and how we
treat women. It says nothing more about women themselves. With
the exception of all of the women who are bizarrely
seeing Lindsey Clancy as some sort of wronged heroine. I
guess the better term would be a martyr for the

(01:08:48):
cause of feminism in the twenty first century. That is
about as wrong an interpretation as it could possibly be.
But the bottom line is that this is a case
about why mental health treatment and responsible mental health treatment

(01:09:09):
is so incredibly important, and it sort of serves as
a reminder that even the people you think are wholly
incapable of just monstrous, almost inhuman evil or not, that
some people are capable of doing the worst things imaginable.

(01:09:32):
You're listening to the Dan o'donald ship. I think we'll
cheer things up a little bit. Let's get back to
a happier note. Let's make fun of some libs or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
We'll do that. We'll get the mood back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Coming up after the top of the hour daily Trump date,
the President and First Lady welcome some racing big wigs
to the White House. We will also get into the
Duffies Sean and Rachel Duffy saying that their younger daughter
is not allowed to go to Harvard University, and people

(01:10:06):
are apparently very upset by this, of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Course, what do you think? The smarmy lib response is, Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
The troglodite offspring of Sean and Rachel Duffy could ever
get into Harvard. Well, apparently she is very, very, very smart,
and she's on their reality show thing that they're doing,
and is it for Fox Stage?

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Can you look this up? Eric, I probably should have
researched this. I just I I can.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Tell I'm getting old because I am just so out
of the loop on pretty much everything that's on TV,
especially that is it still the Great American Road Trip?
I knew they were doing that, but they're definitely at
their house. It does not seem like there is any
road tripping going on in this video clip. Yes, I
knew they were doing The Great American Road Trip. It

(01:11:06):
just went up on YouTube. CNN is already ripping on this. Okay, shocker.
So yeah, you're going to see you are going to
see this, I guarantee on MS now or CNN tonight
if you are some sort of masochist and you want
to watch CNN's prime time programming. Aaron Burnette of Aaron

(01:11:27):
Burnett out Front just had a top official, a top
aid to President Trump. Natalie Harp, who the Libs have
suddenly decided is having an affair with Trump. They brought
her third of a brother on to basically rip on her.
This is the depths to which CNN has fallen. So

(01:11:52):
it would not shock me if they're going to make
fun of a high school kid for not being smart
enough to get into Harvard. Realistically, if my kids had
the grades or you know, the the resume to go
to Harvard, I would have very serious reservations about sending

(01:12:15):
them there as well. Come back for Thanksgiving wearing a
Kafia screaming about how the Jews are responsible for all
the world's problems. Where did you hear that from a
campus protest? No, from Harvard's university president. You might remember
that one was actually forced to resign in disgrace, although

(01:12:36):
she didn't actually resign, she was just actually reassigned because
of a plagiarism scandal and the fact that she gets
holed before Congress and can't denounce anti Semitism. This was
back when, right in the throes of the post October

(01:12:56):
seventh hysteria. These were not protests that were sweeping college campuses.
These were celebrations of the slaughter of innocent Jewish people,
And I have never been more disgusted with college captins,
including u W Madison. You had a woman on a

(01:13:17):
bullhorn at one of these rallies on October eighth, twenty
twenty three, screaming glory to the martyrs the march. Not
the innocent children who were killed while attending a music festival.
Not the elderly people who were pulled out of their
homes and summarily executed because they happened to live in

(01:13:41):
a settlement nearby to where the terrorists attacked that festival. No, no, no,
the martyrs were the terrorists themselves. So yeah, I think
I'd have a bit of an issue sending my kid
to Harvard University amidst that climate. I think I'd have
an issue sent my kids to UW Madison, especially since

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what do they not have a UW System president. Have
we hired an athletic They did hire an athletic director.
At one point they needed a UW System president, a
UW chancellor, they needed an athletic director. You talk about
an organization, you talk about an educational system that is

(01:14:26):
badly in need of reform. It is the UW system
and especially UW Madison, which is a shame.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
It's my alma mater, at least for law school.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I graduated from UW Law twenty years ago, class of
two thousand and six. I'm sure they're very proud of
me now as I'm ripping on. Law school was actually wonderful.
I have no complaints about the law school. It's very
very well run. The professors, sure they were liberal, but
they were very knowledgeable. And they actually, I mean, granted

(01:14:57):
this is two decades ago, they actually taught the law.
They actually focused on what did Rush Limbaughs say, the
young minds full of mush instead of just indoctrinating them
with whatever political pap that they happen to be pushing
that week.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
All right, we're gonna step aside.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
For Brewers close out their series against the Seattle Mariners
this afternoon with a seven to four win. The Brewers
take two of three from Seattle, including the twenty two
to nothing shellacking in Game one of this series a

(01:15:37):
couple of nights ago. That is one of the craziest
games that I think I have seen in quite some time.
The Brewers increase their lead over the Los Angeles Dodgers
for the number one overall seed in the National League playoffs.
They are two games up on LA who is sitting

(01:15:58):
at seventy seven and fifty won. The Brewers now run
their record to seventy nine and forty nine. They are
thirty games over five hundred and have they hit a
Grand Slam yet this season? I mean it's remarkable. Outside
of scoring twenty two runs on twenty two hits or

(01:16:19):
something like that, they have not been very good offensively.
Their pitching has been outstanding. Jacob Mizerowski he needs to
run away with the Cy Young Award. I mean, he
has just been the best pitcher in Major League Baseball
this season. And yeah, I was right as of like

(01:16:41):
a week and a half ago. I had to look
up that stat because I saw it in some article
about the Brewers. It was like a playoff odds on
ESPN or something like that, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I said, there is absolutely no way haven't hit a
Grand Slam yet? Sure enough, they have not. But it
is the strength of their pitching. Miss Rowski's ERA one
point seven five and usually strikeout artists like him. You've
got two hundred and ten strikeouts. They have higher eras

(01:17:19):
He has just been downright unhittable this season. His whip
walks and hits per innings pitched point seven five. Generally,
if you're at about one one point one, one point two,
you're considered to be pretty dog gone good. I just

(01:17:40):
cannot say enough good things. Dan O'Donnell show, come right
back after that. We will get to the daily Trump date,
which we delayed. We sort of called an audible as
I was talking about the Lindsey Clancy case in the
four o'clock hour. Sometimes we get into a little bit
deeper topics than you will hear on a typical talk

(01:18:01):
radio show. Sure we do the politics, Sure we do
the current events, Sure we do the sports. One of
my good buddies on one of the twenty million text
chains I'm on is taking me to task. I am
getting roasted in chat right now because I dared to
say that the Brewers don't have a great offense. He said,

(01:18:22):
They've got the top run differential in baseball. They just
won a game twenty two to nothing that has a
remarkable ability to pad your stats. They're dead last in
home runs when you get to the playoffs, and most
runs are scored via home runs. And they are at
a premium that is a huge weakness, especially when you're

(01:18:45):
almost certainly going to go up against a team that
now has Tarik Skouble in its starting rotation as well
as one of the best pitchers in baseball already, and
oh yeah Otani, who is very, very good as a
pitcher and of course Hall of Famer as a hitter.
I just look, Don't get me wrong, I think the

(01:19:09):
Brewers are poised to make a deep run. I just
sadly I see the Los Angeles Dodgers and their House
of Cards, which is going to destroy baseball in the
form of a lockout in just a couple of months.
I have serious doubts there's going to be a twenty
twenty seven baseball season, or that we're not going to

(01:19:30):
miss a significant chunk of it. Don't get me wrong,
the entire world is going to be rooting for the
Brewers or for whomever is playing the Dodgers in the playoffs.
But while the Brewers have a great pitching staff, they've
got a great starting rotation anchored by again the best
pitcher in baseball right now. In the miz you need

(01:19:54):
power when it comes to playoff baseball. All right, So
let's see, all of a sudden, I just got a
ton of messages and it can't just be my terrible
Brewer takes. Hmm, okay, that was actually something very interesting.

(01:20:22):
Somebody I know got a David Crowley poll, like what questions?
This was clearly someone being pulled on behalf of the
Crowley campaign or the Democratic Party.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
That's actually very fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
If I get a chance to really dig into that,
I'll talk about that today maybe tomorrow, because it does
shed some insight on the state of this race. And
basically it's sort of a push pull. But the idea
is David needs to run like a Republican in order
to win. Don't they all do that? Doesn't every liberal
dem in the world try to run like a conservative

(01:20:59):
Republican to fool the roobs and then once they take power.
Abigail Spanberger, the governor of Virginia, is just a classic
example of this. She ran as a blue dog moderate
for a state that was coming off of a very
successful term limited governorship of Glenn Youngkin. We actually welcomed

(01:21:20):
the program a couple of weeks ago, actually last week
day before the primary, and she was campaigning to almost
be a continuation of Youngkin. She gets in office and
immediately after promising that she wouldn't, she immediately jerry manders
the state's congressional seats. Virginia Supreme Court, which is I

(01:21:42):
believe still controlled by liberals, said this was so egregious,
this was such a bad jerry manner that we're going
to throw it down. Speaking of court decisions, got to
mention this. Dane County Circuit Court judge today rejected an
effort by Democrats to challenge Michelle Magadan's skinner, a Republican

(01:22:06):
Senate candidate in the o'claire area, because they alleged she
didn't actually live in Eau Claire, even though she serves
on the o'claire County Board of Supervisors. They said, you know,
she was actually living in Georgia. She actually she voted
one time in Georgia. She and her husband took some

(01:22:28):
homestead credit from the state of Georgia. But she very
clearly lives in oa'claire. Democrats actually sued. They didn't go
to the Wisconsin Elections Commission. They went to Dane County
Circuit Court and they said, this woman doesn't actually she
voted one time. It was January of twenty twenty one,

(01:22:49):
in the runoff elections for US Senate after the twenty
twenty president, president, and Senate elections, you have runoff elections
in Georgia. These were in January. She voted because clearly
I think she recognized that she she knew how important

(01:23:15):
these Senate races were, so she said, Okay, I'm going
to get registered and vote in Georgia. She has not
voted in Georgia since she's voted in Wisconsin. Judged throughout
the lawsuit as being completely meritless this afternoon, so Michelle
Magadan's skinner remains on the ballot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
There is still a much more.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Fact based and much more substantive challenge in Milwaukee. Democrat
Silvia ortiz Valais lost a primary for her Assembly seat
to a challenger by the name of Ishmael Luna, who
is actually backed by the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party

(01:23:58):
ran primaries against or different Milwaukee Democrats, including Ryan Clancy,
very prominent socialist. They're trying to get him out of
the Assembly because they recognize what a threat the socialists are.
And Sylvia ortiz Vllez dared to vote with Republicans occasionally,
and you might remember there as the huge controversy they

(01:24:20):
claimed that she threatened to shoot her colleagues with an
uzi or a machine gun or something like that, when
she sent a text with loaded language something to the
effect of you bring a gun to a knife fight,
I'll bring an AR fifteen or something like that. Clearly,
she is talking about some sort of political spat that

(01:24:41):
she was having with some other rep by the name
of Priscilla Pratto, who is also primary but successfully defeated
her primary challenger. So the Dems actually financed this guy Luna.
It certainly appears that he was falsely and fraudulently claiming
to be voting from him stepfather's house, even though he

(01:25:03):
doesn't live there and has never lived there. So we'll
see how that challenge plays out. It is with the
Wisconsin Elections Commission right now, or teas Villas, if successful,
would be the Democratic nominee because she was the only
qualified candidate on the ballot, so she would essentially win
by default. And looking at her complaint and looking at

(01:25:24):
the evidence presented, it is a lot stronger than the
Dems complaint against Magadan's skinner.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Let's put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
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it by about an hour. Time now for the daily
Trump Date. What happened in and around President Trump's White House.
First Lady Milania Trump today held a Rose Garden ceremony
with the President for her Fostering the Future initiative, announcing

(01:26:39):
a landmark strategic alliance with IndyCar Fox Sports, Indiana University,
and Purdue University, which will expand academic opportunities, scholarships, and
support for young people who have experienced the foster care system,
helping them pursue college education, careers and financial independence. And

(01:27:02):
it comes ahead of that Indie car race through the
streets of Washington, DC later this month as part of
the America two fifties celebration.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Here's the first lag.

Speaker 13 (01:27:14):
Fostering the Future elevates America's youth based on marriage and talent,
lifting them beyond economic circumstance and every other condition that
may limit opportunity. Our mission is simple, yet transformational. Provide

(01:27:34):
every young person from the foster care community the chance
to earn a college education, launch a meaningful career, and
achieve lasting financial independence.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Earlier this afternoon, Vice President JD. Vance went on the
Clay and Buck Show, heard on WISN and WIBA the
Great Dan O'Donnell stations and told the guys about what's
going on with respect to the Strait of horror moves
negotiations with Iran that the President has said are off,

(01:28:11):
and how this conflict has really entered a new phase.

Speaker 15 (01:28:15):
I think that we're in a new phase of this
and what the President signaled with this truth of a
couple of days ago, is that you know, we have
destroyed their conventional military. We have put an incredible amount
of pressure on their industrial base they used to manufacture weapons.
We're kind of now in a new phase where the
most effective tool that we have is the economic pressure

(01:28:36):
that we can apply to them. And this is a
delicate dance because we apply economic pressure to them, they're
going to try to apply economic pressure to us. But
what has been true over the last couple of weeks
is they felt a lot more pressure than we have.
We're going to keep that going because we think that's
the best way to ultimately accomplish the final objective here. Right,

(01:28:57):
we have to go back to the very beginning the
President said Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Well, their
nuclear facilities are destroyed, but the question is do they
try to rebuild them? And so fundamentally, what we're trying
to do is create a changed reality on the ground
where not just we can stay with confidence their facilities

(01:29:17):
have been destroyed, but we can also stay with confidence
they're never going to try to rebuild. And that's the
phase that we're in now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
How long will that phase last though, and will there
still be uncertainty and will there still be high prices
at the pump will come midterm election time, because now
we're starting to get down to the midtigrat. It's generally
accepted in political circles that after Labor Day that's when

(01:29:45):
people really start paying attention. I do not believe that
at all. I believe that people pay attention to politics
now more than ever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
It's just so in your face.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
People make politics their endel and be all, especially on
the political left in the era of Trump. I just
don't think old news cycles and old thoughts about when
people start paying attention to politics really exist anymore. A
terrible plot broken up in New York, the FBI arresting

(01:30:21):
a woman by the name of Jessica bow who pledged
allegiance to ISIS and in an Islamic terror attack, wanted
to blow up the New York State capital. This is
FBI Special Agent in Charge Craig Tremorroli outlining exactly what
this woman.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Is accused of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Talks for about two minutes here. But this is something
you need to hear because it is chilling.

Speaker 16 (01:30:49):
As alleged in the complaint, Miss Bowie swore her allegiance
to ISIS through multiple audio recordings in both English and Arabic,
clearly stated her desire to carry out an attack at
the New York State Capitol. In her own words, as
alleged in the criminal complaint, she said, quote, I want

(01:31:11):
to destroy as much of the building as possible and
kill the senators while they are meeting. I want them
to lose a lot of important documents as well. She continued,
as reference in the complaint, quote, I don't want to
take this kind of risk and have it kill what
two or three people? What good is that? The complaint

(01:31:35):
alleges that she arranged to have an explosive device made
out to carry this attack, even purchasing several of the
required materials herself. She conducted surveillance at the capitol at
least five times, taking dozens of photos. She requested a
gun she intended to use on any law enforcement officer

(01:31:57):
who tried to stop her, more specif, according to the complaint,
she said, quote something powerful but easy enough to conceal,
so if the cops do get towards me during the operation,
I can shoot back, yesh as a legend the complaint,
when she met up with the confidential human source to

(01:32:17):
retrieve the materials she asked for. She paid the agreed
upon price for the gun, and when asked to make
a donation to the purported bomb maker, she provided another
two hundred dollars, and I want to be clear she
left that meeting with both items. Make no mistake about it.

(01:32:38):
Miss Bowie's alleged plot was serious, it was dangerous, and
thanks to the partnerships on the FBI's Joint Tears and
Task Force, it was foiled.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Now does something not quite add up about this? Think
about the woman's name, Jessica Bowie. She's not Arabic. She
is a white tattooed, relatively recent convert to Islam, and
she has jumped in with both feet, May twenty eighth,

(01:33:11):
posting on social media Praise be to Allah for September eleventh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
In Arabic. Earlier in May, she posted.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
I will poison these infidels. I'm looking at a picture
of her on the website of the New York Post.
This is from twenty fourteen. She looks like every other
disaffected goth lib with a rose tattoo on her hand

(01:33:43):
and the word pain tattooed on each one of the
fingers of.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Her right hand. What in Allah's name happened here?

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
How did this woman get so radicalized and so poisoned
in her thinking about the United States that she actually
wanted to kill a whole bunch of people at the
Albany State Capital. This one, I'll be totally honest with you,

(01:34:18):
is flummixing me because it does not appear that normally
there will be a man involved. She gets romantically involved
with a radical Muslim and she converts, that does not
appear to be the case. It appears that her what
I can only surmise to be very hard left ideology

(01:34:38):
just based on what I know about her pre conversion.
What I learned since this story first broke earlier today
is that she was vehemently anti American before converted to Islam,
and then got even more anti American and doesn't get

(01:35:00):
a whole lot more anti American then Praise Allah for
September eleventh.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Coming up after the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Commercial break, the Duffies, Sean the Transportation secretary, Rachel the
Fox News personality, don't want their daughter going to Harvard,
and frankly, I don't blame them. You're listening to the
Dan O'Donnell show, So Sean and Rachel compost Duffy, the
Transportation Secretary, and his wife, the very popular Fox News personality.

(01:35:37):
They have been filming a reality style show I don't
believe is airing on television, but online only. It is
a digital stream called The Great American Road Trip, and
they've been touring the country this summer. You know, he's
the Transportation Secretary. It's sort of a business trip. Well,
a clip from that stream has gone viral in the

(01:36:01):
past day or so in which their daughter, who is
considering colleges, tells them, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
May want to go to an ivy league.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Like if a Harvard comes calling, I don't know if
I could say no. Sean and Rachel then have a
very I think rational discussion about why they really don't
want their daughter going to Harvard.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
I can't say no to Harvard. Yeah, well, me and
mom can say no.

Speaker 17 (01:36:39):
Catholicism to us is everything. It's the basis of our marriage,
it's the basis of our family. So I'm nervous about
the idea of Poloma going to Harvard. We spend a
lot of time nurturing and providing formation for our kids,
giving them an environment where they are steeped in faith
and values and so the idea of dropping her off

(01:37:02):
at a place that would undermine that or try to
undo all those things makes me worried.

Speaker 9 (01:37:07):
And again, I don't want them to get one viewpoint.
I want them to get a lot of different viewpoints,
but I don't want them fed only one viewpoint. This
contrary to the way my kids were raised. My problem
is we have thought about how we raised you and
how hard we've worked to I think raise what is
a remarkable young girl. If I send you there, I

(01:37:29):
think what happens is they have professionalized figuring out how
they can take good young girls like you, and I
think corrupt their minds.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
You don't have to believe what I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
You don't have to have the political viewpoints that I have.

Speaker 18 (01:37:45):
But I do think it's important that you make those
choices for yourself and you have a fair representation of
what they are. And I don't think the Harvards of
the world give you that kind of well rounded picture.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
I can't say I disagree with this single word of that.
It's not that Paloma needs to parrot what mom and
Dad believe. They're obviously very strong, staunch conservatives.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
You know, I can.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Remember watching the Real World, the San Francisco version, you know,
with Puck and Pedrosa more that was like right in
my wheelhouse. I think I was eleven years old when
that premiered, and that show that was what took the
Real World to the height of the cultural zeitgeist in
the nineteen nineties. And I can remember Rachel Campos being

(01:38:35):
the religious one. That was like sort of her thing.
She was like a member of the young with that.
Jud was a young Republican, but she was very Catholic
and obviously has become a very popular media personality on Fox.
And her husband Sean, a veteran of was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
It Road Rules or was he on Real World? I
can't remember. I think he was on Real World as well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
But they both have been very outspoken about their conservative,
very Catholic Christian values, their strong upbringing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
And also are all of the Libs taking this couple
to task for saying their daughter can't go to Harvard,
forgetting about all the rampant anti Semitism on the campus
of Harvard University and other Ivy League schools in the
aftermath of the October seventh terror attack. It was so

(01:39:35):
bad the presidents.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Of these universities were hauled before Congress and could not
answer whether from the river to the sea Palestine will
be free is a call for the destruction of Israel?
What sits in between the river and the sea that
would be Israel?

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Yes, it is. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
They had no answer for the anti s Semitism on campus.
And if you don't think that Ivy League schools are
in doctrination factories. Now, it's kind of tough to do
if you're going into say engineering, if you're going to
be an electrical engineer, sure, in some of the general

(01:40:19):
interest courses, the humanities courses that you have to take,
you're going to get the lib indoctrination. But in most
if you're going for, say, I don't know, an education
degree or polysci or something. And let's face it, is
the education that you get at Harvard any better or

(01:40:40):
any worse than any other university in the world. Probably not.
Why do people pay eighty thousand dollars a year to
go to Harvard because it's prestige, because you're paying for
the name Harvard. There's an old joke amongst us Marquette alums,
how can you tell someone graduated from Notre Dame Wait

(01:41:04):
five seconds, They'll tell you sort of like that with Harvard. Yes,
I graduated from Harvard. Okay, yeah, great, all right, what evs?
But there is not just on Harvard's campus, not just
in the Ivy League, but really across academia a very

(01:41:25):
pronounced anti conservative bent the idea that they have professionalized
how to corrupt young minds. And that's sort of the
thing that Sean is getting absolutely raked over the coals
over that. Somehow his daughter is and all young women
are shrinking violets who can't possibly stand up? Have you

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people never been in a college class. There is a
distinct power dynamic that works against a college freshman who
is probably not going to feel super comfortable challenging the
insane drivel coming out of her far left socialist proft's mouth. Yeah,

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so you have a tendency to get indoctrinated into what
when you are dropped into a place where there is
nothing but group think and unless you think that, oh well, damn,
I have to your kids, you probably indoctrinated your kids
and a right wing thought.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
I actually encourage them to think for themselves, to discuss,
to debate if you question something I say, And by god,
I've got two teenagers and a preteen They question literally
everything I say.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
You gotta go to bed, Why I don't start school? Why?

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Well, because you can't sleep until twelve forty five pm?

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
I teach them argue your if you think, if you
can make a rational, compelling case, that you're a growing boy,
so you need all the sleep you can get to,
you know, build muscle and let your bones grow and
grow tall and strong and healthy. Okay, I'm willing to
hear it. You need fourteen hours of sleep. I'm just

(01:43:20):
worried that you slipped into a coma. Now everybody thinks
that conservative. So this goes back to the days of
Rush Limbaugh's first rise to popularity in the late eighties
early nineties. Remember when when people would call up and say, hey,
Diddo's rush Mega diddos. They are called diddo heads, and
the idea was, well, they're just mindlessly regurgitating whatever Rush

(01:43:44):
Limbaugh tells them. That has been the knock on conservatives,
especially talk radio and talk media conservative media connoisseurs, for
almost forty years. I can tell you, folks, in doing
this job, you people are like hurting cats. I can't
get you to do anything. It's because we're all such

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free and independent thinkers, we question everything. It's the individualistic
nature of conservatism. Liberalism on the other hand, and far
left liberalism and socialism has always always run rampant on
college campuses because of the collectivist mindset that does, in

(01:44:30):
fact kind of prey on, As Rush said, young skulls
full of mush who are coming in and just want
to fit in. I'm going to expand on this a
little bit also, you know, we'll take some calls. In
some texts, there are strong opinions. Would you let your
kids go to Harvard if they got in and you
didn't have to pay one hundred thousand dollars a year
for tuition and room and board or whatever ungodly usurious

(01:44:54):
sum that it is now to send your kids there
four one, four, seven, nine, nine to eleven thirty. That
is the Carpetland USA Flooring Center talk. And please don't
want their daughter Paloma going to Harvard. I can't say
I blame him. I'm sending my oldest off to college.
It is not Harvard. He's going to Yale.

Speaker 10 (01:45:16):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
I after what I've seen from the ivys over the
past several years with respect to anti Semitism and their
embrace of the darkest elements of the thug left. I
would not feel comfortable now. I did say before the
commercial a lot of texts coming in on this. I

(01:45:40):
did say that if you're going for engineering, it's really
difficult for them to impose a radical, woke socialist ideology
on you. But apparently even the engineers are not immune
this text. Dan my Son is studying engineering at uw Platt.
He rants about the gender studies and ethnic studies classes

(01:46:04):
that he has to take. He sees no connection between
engineering and those classes and wonders.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Why he has to take them.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Well, because your university is run by woke idiots.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Uh, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Dan Oldest just graduated from Madison, not Harvard. I know,
I was worried about. No, no, no, it's the Hey, look,
people from Wisconsin typically don't send their kids to Ivy's right.
It's a very East Coast thing that you have to
have that stutus of the top tier university. Because what
happens is these kids, you know, the like these blue

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bloods in Connecticut and the Tri state area New York.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
I know it's hard to believe.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
But the wealthier areas of New Jersey, we all think
of them as being like Christopher Malta Santi. But no,
it's a very East cost thing that you have to
get into a university, just as like in the South,
in the SEC my timeline has been And no it's

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not because I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Looking up sorority girls.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
There is a huge controversy because moms and dads in
the South are hiring interior designers for their daughter's dorm rooms.
And this has led to like the entire Southern culture
of like Greek life and like the sororities will do
these elaborate dance videos as like recruiting tools. And then

(01:47:39):
of course I have been fascinated by the Penn State
cocaine ring scandal, so I'm getting a ton of like
college news and stuff. It's just a cultural thing that
you go to an Ivy League school, because your whole
life is then like set before you you go to
some silk stocking law firm or investment firm after you

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graduate and get your MBA or your JD or whatever
it is. But Madison is sort of like that here
in Wisconsin. I mean it's our state school, yes, but
it's sort of like the prestigious one. It's the toughest
to get into in the state, and it's also the
most liberal. Dan, my oldest, just graduated from Madison, not Harvard.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
I was worried because I have friends who went there,
and I had heard stories that I've seen plenty of myself.
Our daughter turned out to be very headstrong and found
the balance between being impressed upon and using logic to
determine when things are just stupid. She made it through
and is a young conservative continuing to work hard. She
has told some stories are second born, seventeen and angry.

(01:48:42):
I wouldn't send her anywhere like Harvard. She needs more
self discipline and fewer rewards for noticing social dysfunction. Interesting
what I always tell kids to do and what I've
told my own kids to do. What I did because
I always knew that I was going to go to

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law school, so I knew I needed top grades and
obsessed over getting a's throughout undergrad I didn't want to
risk it by letting any of my professors know what
I really believed, so I would sort of regurgitate what
it is I thought they want. I would make the
best possible liberal argument. And this is more in law

(01:49:22):
school than it was in undergrad. Marquette actually back then
did a fantastic job. My English professors, my communications professors,
they actually taught literature, they actually taught communications and broadcasting.
One of my favorite professors was a history prof who
I believe is long since retired, Philipnaylor. Wonderful, wonderful professor.

(01:49:44):
He was just he was very, very good at teaching
Western civilization. And there was no indoctrination in law school.
When you would have to argue like the Fourteenth Amendment,
First Amendment issues, it was inevitable that politics sort of
comes into it, and I would write, I would make
the best possible argument for the liberal point of view,

(01:50:07):
which I knew my professor want. I would laugh all
the way to my Hey. We go out to the phones,
Mark in walk Shaw. You're on the Dan O'Donnell show.
What's going on, sir?

Speaker 19 (01:50:18):
Well, mister Mark, I just want to let you know
that you Madison and u Wwaukee are top tier schools
and actually beat Harvard and Yale and all those Eastern
schools in academics and in research for engineering and many
other studies. And we agree with regurgen what's that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
U WM and Madison? I mean no, no dis to
u WM. But my wife's entire family are proud graduates
in you're saying, u WM. I would believe Madison because
they put a lot of emphasis into research and.

Speaker 19 (01:50:51):
Certain Madison, Madison and Milwaukee both top tier programs, at
least in engineering.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Oh okay, oh okay, I'm sorry, I didn't hear that engineering, sure, sure, sure, sorry.

Speaker 19 (01:51:00):
And engineering they are now. I also agree with you
one hundred percent over the fact of regurgitating what the
professor wants to hear, because I did that same thing
coming out of the military before I went to college,
and it's regurgitating what the teacher's professors want to hear.
When you have to say fasts like body sense, you
have to regurgitate what they say. Oh yeah, in order

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to make sure that they know that you're on their level,
not at yours, because if you tell them, hey, look
i'm a conservative military.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Kid, No, you're getting you well.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
And the other thing I found Mark it wasn't just oh,
I'm going to get my A. I actually found it
to be an incredible intellectual exercise. If I could make
my opponent's argument better than they could. I could obviously
defeat it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
So that's how I whenever I talk to people about
like how to argue, how to debate, I always say, Okay,
you have to know what your don't create a straw
man argument where you create the the caricature of what
your opponent actually believes and then attack that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
That's called a straw man fallacy. Don't engage with that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Actually come up with their best arguments, anticipate what their
best argument is going to be, and then think about
how you're going to defeat it, because chances are if
you think like that, you'll be able to Paul and
Racine up next on the Dan O'Donnell show's going on, Sir, Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
Dan, I think a couple of points. The Duffies. You
almost wonder what the Duffies of the you know, because
their reality TV if they kind of set this off.
That's where my brain went through.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Well mine too. I like them too much to say now.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
They're veteran reality show performers and it most definitely is
a performance.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that.

Speaker 5 (01:52:48):
Yeah, no, great minds think alike, but they're kind of
the exception to the rule. And I guess what what
I see, at least in my lifetime is, you know,
through twelve now in doctor Nate and college radicalizes kids.
And that's my issue. I don't mind open debate and

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thoughts from the universities, but it's no longer about that.
It's about radicalizing them. And I got to tell you,
I've got two friends, two very good friends, who have
college aged kids, and they want the route of one
alignment down in South Carolina. And he's making you know,
one hundred thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
The other one's a firefighter, yep. And they're twenty he's
twenty three. He's going to retire, he'll be in his
early fifties, and he'll be able to retire with a
full tension. And the point is that, you know, if
you're having to pay for it, you need to seriously
consider that because they've got a much better quality of life.
And not only that, but they tend to become better adults,

(01:53:52):
right they're you know, they they're taught better values than
what the you know, college is universities teach. And the
thing is, I don't mind that the college and the
university when I went there, they would teach, you know,
kind of open thoughts. Yeah, but it's no longer that
it's radicalization.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Well, and that's that's just it of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Well, it serves to get Democrat voters churned out of
these universities, and I think that's sort of the benefit
to the socialist movement and the Democratic Party the country.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Not so much.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Fantastic point, Paul. Universities used to be it was Voltaire right.
I may not agree with your point of view, but
I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Now it's shut up and listen, because this is what
you believe. What you If you believe what you actually believe,
you're a fascist. So this is the only it's really

(01:54:50):
infused with moralism, like political beliefs. You can't just be
wrong anymore. You are a danger to democracy, You are
a fat You are not people are going to die
because of your point of view. I mean, how many
times have we heard the argument from Democrats in the
last five to ten years people will die if ex

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policy is implemented. That that's a very university socialist lib
point of view.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
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