What the Lindsay Clancy Case is Really About

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Major developments in the Lindsay Clancy case as the jury
is deadlocked and we now know why. Welcome to the
Dan O'Donnell Show. Yes, this trial has now captivated the
entire nation as I think Fox News for the last
hour and a half has been providing nonstop coverage of

(00:25):
a case that I think for good reason is interesting
a lot of people. And today... While it's normally impossible
to tell what's actually going on during jury deliberations, we
got an almost unprecedented peek behind the curtain. We now
know it is a single juror. As I was sort
of speculating yesterday, it was either one or two holdouts.

(00:49):
I thought that it was very likely that one or
two holdouts was saying, OK, she's guilty, that since you've
got nine women and three men, I don't want to
stereotype ladies. But let's just say there aren't a whole
lot of dudes. on TikTok throwing ice cubes into bathtubs

(01:09):
in solidarity with the woman who murdered her three children,
if not in solidarity, but to illustrate that you too
would be just as crazy as Lindsay Clancy if you
couldn't throw the ice in the bathtubs. If I were
a divorce attorney, I would just be raking in the

(01:30):
cash right now because my goodness, Gen Z women, have
got some serious issues to work through, at least the
libs among them. All right, we are going to get
into that on today's foray into broadcast excellence, or at
the very least, and far more likely, broadcast competence. Congressman
Glenn Grothman joins us in the 5 o'clock hour. An

(01:53):
incredible press briefing that I thought I was going to
spend a good portion of the day talking about. From J.D. Vance,
the vice president. Oh, boy, they're going back. OK, I'm
going to take a wild guess. We're going to go
live to the courtroom in Plymouth, Massachusetts. The judge is
back in session in the Lindsay Clancy case. Should we go?

(02:15):
Are they alive now? Armin, let's go live to the courtroom. No,
they're not talking yet. OK, so what happened about a
half hour ago, just to kind of get you caught up?
is that the jury came back saying there is one
juror who refuses to follow the judge's instructions on reasonable
doubt reasonable doubt is not any doubt reasonable doubt is

(02:39):
doubt that would give a reasonable person any pause right
there is always going to be doubt. Reasonable doubt is
the highest standard of the law. It's not perfectly defined,
but Judge William Sullivan had to explain and had to
give another instruction to the jury. The defense attorney, Kevin Reddington,
stood up and objected to that, saying that that juror

(03:02):
should be struck. Now, what we now know, and I
think we know for absolute certainty, with an absolute certainty now,
is that the defense believes that there are 10, or
excuse me, 11 jurors in that jury room who believe
that Lindsay Clancy is not guilty by reason of insanity,
and that there's one holdout who believes that she should

(03:25):
be convicted. Reddington, the defense attorney, very obviously wants this
juror off because he thinks, or the jury foreperson thinks,
that this person is substituting any doubt for reasonable doubt,
that he is saying, OK, there is a standard above

(03:48):
reasonable doubt that the rest of the jury is not
getting to. This is sort of technical. I get it.
Are they not going to the did the judge just dismiss? OK,
he just. All right, so it's just a dismissal until
9 a.m. That's sort of what I figured. They're going
until about 3.30, 4 p.m. Eastern time each day. Now,

(04:10):
here is where the rubber hits the road, folks. Do
you think we get a verdict tomorrow? I am going
to say, I'm going to stake my reputation as a
legal observer on the fact that I think there is
like an 80 to 90 percent chance that we get
a verdict tomorrow. Do you know why? Because it's the

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Friday before Labor Day weekend, and the jurors want to
be done. So we are going to have, one way
or another, I'm almost positive, tomorrow some certainty. The jurors
are either going to say we're hopelessly deadlocked, there is
no chance that we're ever going to come to a verdict,
and we need to declare a mistrial. That's either going

(04:54):
to happen, or the one juror who is now the
holdout is going to go over to the other side
as producer arman uh... said just a second ago people
don't want to believe that this is why juries come
to a verdict in fact if there are trials that
produce multi-day deliberations the most common day for a jury

(05:17):
to come to a verdict is in fact friday because
they don't want to have to go back to the
jury room and have it hanging over their heads all
weekend Yes, jurors are people. They want to get to
the weekend. When it's a long weekend, when it's Labor
Day weekend, when it's the last weekend of the summer,
that goes double, if not triple. I am thinking tomorrow,

(05:40):
probably midday, we get a resolution one way or another.
The jury either says hopelessly deadlocked, judge declares a mistrial,
or there is a verdict, and I believe it is
now almost certain that that verdict is going to be
not guilty by reason of insanity. So what happened about
an hour ago was the jury passed a note to

(06:04):
the bailiff who then gave the note to the judge.
That's how you communicate. You don't have like an inner conversation. Hey, judge,
we'd like to order a pizza. You have to pass
a note. This is a longstanding tradition. There are no
communication devices available. that are allowed in a jury room
for rather obvious reasons. You can't go on your smartphone
and look up. So what exactly does reasonable doubt mean?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Ask chat GPT chat GPT. Do you think Lindsay Clancy
did it? No, we don't want jurors doing that. So
what happened was the jury sent the judge a note
saying there is one juror who we believe is not
following your instructions on reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt in a

(06:52):
criminal case is actually sort of a fascinating construct. It
dates back before the American statutes were enacted, before the American,
it dates back to British common law. So pretty much
everything in our legal tradition goes back to Great Britain,
which is based upon the traditions of Western civilization going

(07:15):
all the way back to the Bible and even before that.
But the concept of reasonable doubt is not any doubt,
but doubt that would cause a reasonable person to reject
the moral certitude of their finding. You have to be

(07:36):
absolutely certain. Now, if your doubt is that, well, O.J.
didn't actually kill Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman because
it was really Kanye West. time traveling from the future

(07:57):
to try to give himself a better chance of reconciling
with Kim Kardashian after their divorce, that is not a
reasonable doubt. It has to be something that a reasonable
person would say, okay, maybe they're not actually guilty. In fact,
it wasn't until 1970 that we had any sort of

(08:19):
certainty as to what reasonable doubt meant. Now, we always
had a common law definition of reasonability. In the law,
there is something known as the reasonable person standard. In
tort law, in personal injury law, torts is just personal injury,
a slip and fall, that is a tort. So the

(08:41):
classic objective test in tort law is how would an
ordinary prudent person have acted? That's it. A reasonable person,
ordinary prudent person. So reasonable doubt is that which would
give an ordinary prudent person doubt as to the certitude

(09:04):
of their belief in the guilt of the defendant. It
wasn't until in Ray Winship, in race simply means in
the matter of winship a nineteen seventy supreme court case
where the court held the government needs to prove beyond
a reasonable doubt every single facet necessary to constitute a

(09:29):
crime meeting every single element of the clock uh... justice
brennan writing for the majority in in ray winship Lest
there remain any doubt about the constitutional stature of the
reasonable doubt standard, we explicitly hold that the due process
clause protects the accused against conviction except upon proof beyond

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a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute the
crime with which he is charged. This means in the
Lindsay Clancy case, The state needs to prove beyond a
reasonable doubt that Lindsay Clancy was not, because of her
mental illness, because of her insanity, unable to appreciate the

(10:15):
difference between right and wrong and unable to comport her
actions with the requirements of the law, meaning she was
so crazy she had no idea that murdering her three
children was wrong. So Judge Sullivan called the jury in.
and offered another instruction on reasonable doubt, which I thought

(10:38):
was very, very good.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I just wanted to go over a couple of things
this afternoon. First off, I want to remind you that
you are required to follow my instructions on the law
as I gave them to you. I also want to,
at this point, go over the instruction that I gave
you about reasonable doubt. All right, and so, reasonable doubt.

(11:02):
The burden is on the Commonwealth to prove beyond a
reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of the charges
made against her. What is proof beyond a reasonable doubt? Well,
the term is often used and probably pretty well understood,
though it's not easily defined. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt
does not mean proof beyond all possible doubt, for everything

(11:23):
in the lives of human beings is open to some
possible or imaginary doubt. The charge is proved beyond a
reasonable doubt if, after you've compared and considered all of
the evidence, you have in your minds an abiding conviction
to a moral certainty that the charge is true.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's actually a pretty good definition. An abiding conviction that
amounts to moral certainty. Weirdly enough, though, the law has
never explicitly defined the reasonable doubt standard because the standard
for an ordinary prudent person essentially can change. So this

(12:03):
is sort of a weird blind spot in the law.
What we understand it to mean is that you have
to be absolutely certain. There is no within the realm
of possibility doubt that you have. No crazy time traveling
or increasingly bizarre scenarios that are concocted in your head

(12:25):
about what might have happened to prevent you from voting
for conviction, if it smells like a guilty verdict and
walks like a guilty verdict and talks like a guilty verdict,
it's a guilty verdict. Now, what was bizarre about this
is after the jury goes back in for deliberations, we

(12:46):
got in full open court evidence An objection and normally
these sorts of objections when it comes to something having
to do with the jury is done in private during
what's known as a sidebar where the two attorneys and
the judge will speak privately about a matter that because
they don't want, especially when the jury isn't sequestered, the

(13:08):
possibility of media coverage later on of what because now
what's going to what's going to happen? I mean, you'd
like to believe that the jury is going to ignore
all of the media coverage I think that's probably impossible
since now the media coverage is all about this one
person who I think, because the defense thinks, is the

(13:31):
only one who believes that she's actually guilty, that she
was not insane at the time that she committed those
three murders of her children. Reddington, apparently, and this I'm
going by Fox News' reporting from a reporter in the
courtroom when cameras were not turned on The defense attorney,

(13:52):
after the judge explained to the jury, explained what was
going on, was seen just screaming, gesticulating wildly. He was
furious because he thought this juror should be dismissed. That's
almost certainly not going to happen. But the fact that
he made– he demanded that this argument be made in

(14:14):
open court because if, in fact, there is a mistrial,
he is going to use this to argue that the
state should not try to retry Lindsay Clancy because– He
would simply appeal that decision based on the fact that
there was a juror who hung the jury, even though

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everybody else wanted to vote not guilty by reason of insanity.
But because this guy or gal refused to follow the
judge's instructions about the reasonable doubt standard. that the judge
erred in not kicking this juror off. It's actually remarkable
listening to Reddington make this case in open court.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
The court has an instruction from the foreperson of that
juror that's been working for a week now, saying that
there's one juror who refuses to listen to the law
that you've given him or her on reasonable doubt. And
I suggest respectfully that the soft instruction that you gave
them saying at the sidebar, can you listen to the

(15:15):
law as I instruct you, does not focus on the issue.
The question is not sufficient enough. It does not allow
any foundation for a motion to remove the juror who
refuses to accept your instructions on the law on reasonable doubt.
And if we come back here in a half an

(15:36):
hour with a mistrial because of a juror that has
just spurned the instructions of this court, it's a shame.
It's a real shame. And that's why I object to
the court's ruling. I request that we have further inquiry.
I request that my motion is to remove this juror
that refuses to listen to your instruction on reasonable doubt.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now, why would the defense attorney demand that this juror
be struck? Does he think this is the one juror
who thinks that Lindsay Clancy is not guilty by reason
of insanity? No, he thinks this is the one jury,
the one juror who is preventing that jury from a
unanimous verdict of not guilty. And it's because, according to

(16:17):
the foreperson of this jury, it's because this juror does
not understand or is willfully refusing to.
Use the proper reasonable doubt standard. Is it entirely possible
that Reddington, the defense attorney, has this completely wrong and
that this is the one juror who thinks that she's

(16:40):
not guilty by reason of insanity? Yes, sure. But the
fact that he was so adamant that this one juror
needs to be booted is very telling. What did Judge
Sullivan rule on this? Well, he ruled very properly. We
have no idea what is going on in that jury room.
We have no idea if this juror is, in fact,

(17:04):
actually wrong about the reasonable person standard, because... We're not
allowed to know about deliberations. That's sort of how the
jury process works. So he said, no, we're not going
to strike this jury.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I'm sure his parties understand, as they say, the discharge
of a deliberating juror is a sensitive undertaking. I was
just specifically responding to the specific question that was asked.
I don't. I feel that it is proper for me
to side with one side or the other.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Which is exactly right. If he was to dismiss this juror,
he would be siding with one faction of the jury
on a question of the law that we have no
idea was misinterpreted or properly interpreted.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
I don't feel it's appropriate for me to say I
agree with one juror or the 11th. At this point,
I've asked if they are able to follow my instructions. According,
they swore earlier that they could. They've said to that
at this point that they can. That was specifically addressed
towards the specific question. And that's what I'm doing. So

(18:25):
the defendant's objection is noted. And we will be in
recess on this at this time.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Then about a half hour ago, maybe 20 minutes ago,
court was recessed for the day. Jury will pick it
back up tomorrow morning. When we pick it back up
after this commercial break, why is the Lindsay Clancy trial
suddenly so, or any trial, really, suddenly so omnipresent? in

(18:53):
the cultural zeitgeist. Like, why are so many people, why
does everybody have an opinion about Lindsay Clancy, the case?
Why is true crime more generally such a popular thing?
We will discuss, because I think it reveals a deeper
truth about human nature and how we respond to the
world around us. Bet you didn't think you would get

(19:16):
that level of depth. on a talk radio show that's
why we say it's talk radio done different here on
the safe thoughts sometimes it's a little deeper than you
might think and that i think is why the lindsey
clancy case has captivated so many people because while there
are very deep issues at play here the nature of

(19:38):
insanity defense the nature of postpartum psychosis whether or not
someone was really so evil as to essentially try to
fake a postpartum psychosis diagnosis or try to get one
to doctor shop for one because of a longstanding plan
to kill her three children. This case, though, doesn't require

(20:00):
a deeper examination of the law, of the facts, or
any sort of baseline, highly technical legal knowledge in order
to have an opinion about it. This is the sort
of story, therefore, that it's only natural that it is
going to capture the public's attention because it's sort of
like a water cooler moment in a TV show. We

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no longer have, outside of sports and really outside of
NFL football, to a lesser extent college football, especially in
the Deep South, where we have huge numbers of people
tuning in to all watch the same thing. I think
the last water cooler show that we really had ended
seven years ago in Game of Thrones. Maybe stranger things,

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but the very nature of the platforms on which those
programs air, Netflix, HBO, HBO Max, not everybody has them.
Whereas when Seinfeld went off the air, when MASH went
off the air, the entire country was watching at the
same time. In a sense, we have a longing to

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connect with other people over shared experiences. That's part of
the human condition. What's more fun, watching a movie alone?
I said yesterday that when I was way, way, way
too young, I snuck in to go see Pulp Fiction
when I was about 12 years old. And it took
me probably five years and like three more viewings of

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the movie to understand what they were doing in that basement.
And I was horrified. What's more fun? Watching a movie
with a group of friends or a loved one or
watching it by yourself? Going on vacation and sharing experiences
with other people? We want to interact with people about

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the things that we experience, about the things that we see.
The Lindsay Clancy case is one of those rare things
in news and in politics that everyone can have an
opinion on, regardless of how well-versed in the law, how
well-versed in psychology they are, because it can be framed

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in very easy-to-understand moral terms, as opposed to legal or
political binary sides, so to speak. It is either Lindsay
Clancy is bad. She killed her two children or Lindsay
Clancy was very troubled and society actually failed her. And

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this is why when you get those sorts of cases,
when you get those sorts of issues. This is where
you get sort of an outsized liberal influence on how
the case is covered. And this is where you get
people almost invariably on the political left doing insane things
like throwing the ice cubes into the bathtub while screaming

(23:02):
at the top of their lungs because liberals react quickly.
far more to emotional appeals and to emotional arguments and
to emotional stories. They are also, and pretty much every
study backs this up, they are far less likely to

(23:23):
pay close attention to the news and have a much
less baseline understanding of what's going on in news and
politics in the world around them. when they come in
and say, okay, well, this is clearly a societal, that
is an emotional argument. If you want to make the

(23:43):
case that Lindsay Clancy was not, in fact, She did not,
in fact, meet the legal definition of insanity. You actually
have to make a far more technical case, right? You
actually have to have a little baseline knowledge and say, well,
wait a second. She was on 12 or 13 different medications.
She's going from doctor to doctor to doctor, not telling

(24:06):
one doctor. In a different hospital system, what another doctor prescribed,
why would she not do that if the goal was
to actually get better? What if the goal was to
actually get crazier so she could be in a state
where she wouldn't be legally liable for what she knew
she was about to do? Why would she send out

(24:26):
her husband to get takeout at a place they never
really went before? That's way farther at a pharmacy that
they didn't usually go to. That was farther than the
pharmacy that they normally go to to get medicine for
one of the children. Why was she constantly checking on
his location using her phone? Because very clearly, at least

(24:49):
to me, What she was doing, she knew exactly what
she was doing and she knew there would be consequences
of her actions. Ergo, she was criminally liable. She was
not so insane. She couldn't appreciate the difference between right
and wrong. She knew what she was about to do
or sickeningly what she was doing at the time in
the middle of the murder. She was checking to see

(25:09):
where her husband was because she knew there was going
to be a consequence to that. That's sort of to me.
rebuts the idea that she had no idea what she
was doing and that she couldn't be held criminally liable.
But you don't need to know all that. You don't
need to have that baseline knowledge to say, well, don't
you understand what women go through after they give birth?

(25:35):
Don't you understand how to? Yes, actually, you can. How
many people who are not siding with Lindsay Clancy, but
trying to make excuses and say, well, I could be
just like Lindsay Clancy. No, actually, you could. I am
fairly certain that there is nobody listening to me right
now who has the capability, I certainly hope not, who

(25:58):
has the capability of murdering her own three young children
in cold blood. That is a level of psychopathy. That
is a level of just true evil that I don't
think a whole lot of human beings possess. But when
you have this easy-to-digest sort of dichotomy presented that either

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she is evil or society doesn't understand women, society doesn't
understand postpartum depression, which this most certainly was not, nor
was it about postpartum psychosis, which she was never diagnosed with,
it becomes... Much easier to see why so many people
have an opinion about this. Same thing goes for politics.

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And the same thing goes, I have noticed this phenomenon
on my Facebook page, on my ex, when I will
post about something that is very technical. It's related to
the budget. It's related to some aspect of constitutional law.
No liberals will ever challenge me on it. No one
will ever, unless there is some sort of two-quo-quay fallacy,

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better known as whataboutism, well, Trump does this, or there's
just an insane changing the subject to something totally unrelated
to talk about Trump. I don't know what the sort
of mental issue is there, but liberals cannot go about
five seconds without bringing something totally unrelated back to a

(27:28):
knock on Trump. But if I would post something about,
I can't even think of a good example right now,
an easy to understand issue that could be put in
moral terms. Okay, here's one. If I were to post,
it is good that Trump renamed Lake Ontario, Lake America.

(27:51):
that would have probably 500 comments because people could, it
is bad to rename something. It is bad to disrespect Canada. Now,
If I were to post something highly technical about the
trade imbalance with Canada, how Canada has enacted non-tariff barriers

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to free trade with the United States in direct violation
of the USMCA, and that the United States is perfectly
justified in trying to get a better deal and get
Canada to play fair, I would get maybe five comments.
Because it's not something that's easy to digest. It's not
something that can be put in easy black, white, right, wrong, good, bad,

(28:39):
moral terms. Your list. A courtroom in Massachusetts to one
in Waukesha, where Morgan Geyser today, the Slenderman defendant, was
back in court. Waukesha County judge ordered a new mental
health evaluation for her. you might remember that Morgan and

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her boyfriend, girlfriend, we're not quite sure, the creepy 40-year-old
weirdo who she went on the run with last November,
she is going to be back in front of a
board that will decide whether or not she is mentally

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prepared competent enough to be able to go back into
a group home or whether or not she's going to
go into a more secure mental health facility the judge
jeffrey wagner or excuse me not jeffrey wagner jeffrey is
in uh Milwaukee, Scott Wagner, he is going to decide
whether Geiser is going to remain in the Winnebago Mental

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Health Institute in Oshkosh, or if she's going to go
back into a group home. She just took off from
a group home less than a year ago. In fact,
very shortly after she was assigned to that group home.
She cuts off her GPS ankle monitor, takes off to Illinois,

(30:11):
and authorities there find her at a truck stop with
a guy who apparently dresses as a woman. It seemed
as though, and you'll have to forgive me, I forgot
what anime character he was dressed up as. His name,
Chad Mecca, 43 years old. This, by the way, is

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the journal Sentinel, and its story on this makes clear,
and I thank them for this. It's a formality because
Geiser does have a right to present a case that
she's medically eligible to be treated outside of a secure facility.
And this, folks, to get back to the Lindsay Clancy case,

(30:59):
is sort of the danger with declaring people not guilty.
You might remember that Morgan Geyser was remanded to a
mental health facility. And then, of course, a psychiatrist treating
her said, oh, yes, yes, she is totally fine. Geyser,
of course, for those who don't remember, back 16 years ago,

(31:22):
15 years ago, somewhere in there, maybe it was at
only 12, yeah, I guess 2014, She and another girl
by the name of Anissa Wire, back in May of 2014,
lured their friend Peyton Lutner into the woods during a sleepover.
The girls were 12 years old at the time, and

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they lured her into the woods and stabbed her. because
they wanted to sacrifice her to the Slender Man, who
is a fictional character in online lore known as Creepypasta.
I now have a 12-year-old daughter. How can I put

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this gently? 12-year-olds can be very difficult. They can be very,
very tough. The attitude shines through, although I gotta be
a proud dad for a second. picked her up from
soccer practice, a second day of school. She was not
happy with herself because they have to do a geography

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B where you have to basically guess every state without
getting the name of the state. And she got about 50%. Well,
she essentially locked herself in her room for about three hours,
studied and practiced, and now she can get all 50.
She got all 50 states within like a matter of hours.
She was at like a 50% clip. Now she's 100%. And,

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of course, because she's 12, I'm going to get yelled
at for telling that story on the radio. So, such
is 12-year-old girls. Would she or any of her friends
or any girl I have ever coached in soccer ever
even imagine stabbing one of their friends to appease Slenderman?

Speaker 5 (33:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Were those girls very likely insane girls? When they stabbed
their friend, now you would say, yeah, of course, obviously. Well,
they planned it. They planned it together. And they followed
through just because they said, oh, yes, Slenderman will kill

(33:29):
us if we don't kill our friend. And if we do,
then we'll become his acolytes. You're trusting somebody who very
likely is attempting to get out of criminal responsibility and
get to a place where eventually. Why do you think
Lindsay Clancy? Why do you think the two girls, Anissa Weier,

(33:51):
the girl who Morgan Geyser was the one who did
most of the stabbing. She was the one who was
sort of leading Weier around. Weier has been free. She
has been out of the mental health facility for five
years now. Would you want your daughter rooming at college
with an easel wire? I'd be a little nervous. Morgan

(34:14):
Geyser clearly is still not well. She clearly cannot be
in a mental health facility. She wants to be because, A,
it's apparently very easy to break out of when you
get sent to a group home, and, B, as soon
as you are deemed to no longer be a threat
to yourself or to somebody else, you can be released.

(34:38):
Even when you have somebody who is determined to get
out and somebody who has repeatedly demonstrated that they are
still potentially a danger, you still have people hell-bent on
ensuring that they are out and they walk among us.
If I had more time here, we've got to get

(34:58):
to a bunch of other stuff. on today's show, ladies
and gentlemen, I would get into why, while I fully
understand there was a landmark Supreme court decision about 50,
60 years ago, dealing with involuntary commitment, where people who
are clearly not of sound mind can be committed to
mental health facilities, essentially against their will. While that is

(35:22):
a very serious issue with respect to the rights of
the accused and, uh, All of this, it is undeniable
that we have had a massive increase in criminality, in
deviant behavior in society because we can no longer keep
people committed where they are probably safer and would probably

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do a whole lot better because they aren't going to
be left to their own devices where they can befriend
a 43-year-old creeper And take off from the group home
and be found outside of a bus stop or truck
stop or whatever it was in Illinois. Classical conservatism, contemporary style.

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press briefing by Vice President J.D. Vance today as he
sort of outlined what the stakes are in the upcoming
midterms and provided some of the best explanations that I

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have yet heard. for two related but very what would
seem on the surface to be disparate issues. A huge
oil deal struck with Venezuela and also what is going
on with the latest with fighting the remnants of the
Iranian regime and how one is putting significant pressure on

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the other. We're going to get to that also. New
net immigration numbers out today. paint an incredible picture of
what this administration has done with respect to not just
the deportations which is getting all of the headlines and
in fact the milwaukee journal sentinel is already out there
fretting oh my goodness look at how.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
Many people were deported from wisconsin and so many of
them didn't commit any.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Crimes once again the crime rate For illegal immigrants in
this country is 100%, 100% of people who unlawfully entered
this country, 100, committed a federal crime. It is even

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called unlawful entry into the United States. We will get
into that as well. Plus, an exclusive story broken by
our Justin Phillips over at the Heartland Post about a
group endorsing Democratic gubernatorial nominee David Crowley that wants to, yes,

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be a tiny fraction that they say is necessary to
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White House and Donald Trump's Washington. It's sort of our
federal update. We're going to get another update from Wisconsin
Congressman Glenn Grothman coming up in the five o'clock hour.
But today's update at the White House press briefing came
not from the press secretary who has resigned her role
to spend more time with her new baby, Caroline Leavitt,

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I think one of the very best to ever do it.
And now the question, by the way, is who's going
to replace her? If I had to take a guess,
I think the odds-on favorite right now is Scott Jennings.
Scott Jennings, who just owns Libs nightly on CNN, I
think has got the inside track to do it. I

(41:37):
saw our good friend Anna Kelly. She's a longtime fan.
uh republican spokesperson she worked for boy oh boy she
worked for the republican party of wisconsin she worked for
i believe tom tiffany i've known her for years and
years and years she spent a long time in wisconsin
she is now the top deputy press secretary in that

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white house comms shop she was the top deputy to
caroline levitt uh she i think has i don't think
she's done a briefing yet her first ever interview that
the white house allowed her to do was with me,
was on the Dan O'Donnell show. So she would be
the one that I'm obviously rooting for just because I

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think she's fantastic and it's certainly well-deserved. But in terms
of pure entertainment and the guy who would absolutely own
every single reporter in the room, it would be Jennings.
Another couple of names, uh, Alina Haba, the former Trump attorney.
She is openly, uh, courting, she is openly campaigning for

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the role, which means she has absolutely no chance of
getting it. I think Jennings is going to be the guy.
But it wasn't Caroline Leavitt. It wasn't Scott Jennings. It
wasn't Anna. It wasn't anybody. It was the vice president, J.D.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Vance.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Vance, I have long thought, is by far the best
spokesperson for Trumpism, the best articulator of populist conservatism that
this country has. The best, most effective members of the
Trump administration have very clearly been 1 and 1A members.

(43:21):
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who also has like 500
other jobs, so much so that Marco Rubio finding out
that he has to do X or has to do
Y has become a very popular meme on social media.
And then the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, who has just
been fantastic and is now tasked with essentially waging economic

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warfare to bring Iran to heel. But J.D. Vance, since
the moment he was announced as Trump's running mate, has
wowed people inside and outside of not just the Trump
White House, but also Republican circles. So much so, he
is so obviously the future, the heir apparent of Trump.

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Donald Trump's version of conservatism, that there is already an
attempt to basically take him out to kneecap him politically
speaking so that he does not run roughshod over the Democrats.
I don't think they quite know what is coming because frankly,
I don't think we have seen this effective of a

(44:32):
communicator since Reagan and conservative ideas and principles and I
know that is very high praise but you're going to
hear why that praise is absolutely warranted we are going
to play some extended segments not ten minutes or anything
like that but a minute and a half two minutes

(44:54):
of JD Vance basically making the case better than anybody
I think I have heard either in this administration or
in media for why the administration has done what it did.
First of all, the thing that is very clearly, very obviously,

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and very conspicuously being ignored by the mainstream press just
might be the single biggest development of the past three months,
and that is the oil deal that was struck with Venezuela.
The United States now has access to oil reserves that

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dwarf even its own. To say that the United States
just in the last five days became not just the
most dominant player in the global energy game, but that
it basically doubled up the next closest competitor might actually
be doing it a disservice. But a lot of people

(45:57):
don't quite understand just how big a deal this Venezuelan
agreement was. So over the course of the next 90 seconds,
let the vice president educate you.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
I think it's just an amazing testament to what a
smart foreign policy could look like and how it feeds
back in to good outcomes for the American people. So
as a lot of you know, and I think even
some of the more liberal outlets in here had talked about,
We had for a very long time the Biden administration
draining the strategic petroleum reserve purely for the purpose of

(46:30):
lowering gas and oil costs. There wasn't an international crisis.
There wasn't a foreign nation that was trying to disrupt
world energy markets. There was just an administration that was
trying to juice gas prices for the midterms. And what
that meant is for Americans, our strategic petroleum reserve under
the administration got extraordinarily low. Well, now we're using, of course,

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the successful Venezuela operation and some of the the friendships
and some of the relationships that have developed in the
wake of that operation to create what is effectively a
new 65 billion barrel of oil reserve for the United
States of America. And the way that that's going to
work is that private companies, American companies can go in there,
generate a lot of oil revenue. Obviously, that's going to

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mean world oil markets get only more supplied. That will
lower costs for Americans. That means a lot of revenue
is going to go to the people of Venezuela, but
also thanks to the deal struck by Marco and Pete
Hegseth and others in the administration, it actually sets us
up to where the American people will directly receive some
of the royalties as well. So it's good for Venezuelans,
it's good for anybody who's buying gas, and it's good

(47:34):
for the American taxpayer as well.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Which is probably why the American media has largely refused
to report on it. Because of this deal, China is
also essentially booted out of this hemisphere because it was
engaged in backdoor deals for Venezuelan oil with Nicolas Maduro and,

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before him, Hugo Chavez, two of the most hostile South
American leaders ever to the United States and its interests.
So China becomes increasingly dependent upon the OPEC nations, who
In case you didn't notice, President Trump has been very,

(48:18):
very cozy with starting with the first major foreign trip
of his second term in which he toured the Middle
East and gave what I think was one of the
most consequential speeches that he's ever given. It was known
as the Commerce Not Chaos speech where he gathered the leaders,

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the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, members of the royal family.
sort of a new generation of Middle Eastern leaders with
the express aim of further isolating Iran from its neighbors,
from the Middle Eastern community, and offering a big old
carrot while it was dangling the stick in front of Iran,

(48:59):
a carrot to the rest of the region, saying, look,
we will present to you the wonders of Western capitalism
that you can share it, and all you have to
do is to just not try to blow up israel
that's pretty much it. Just stop trying to kill Jews

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and you can have untold billions of dollars, if not trillions.
Every other nation was like, yeah, totally. Iran was like, yeah, yeah,
we really, really, really like killing Jews and we can't stop.
It's sort of like an addiction, right? So the rest

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of the region is forming partnerships through the Abraham Accords
in the first term and now through direct bilateral agreements.
This is leading to massive investment into the United States.
It's leading to new posture, new relations with Israel that

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were never before possible. Iran is further isolated. Iran, therefore, says, hey,
wait a second, the walls are starting to close in.
We'd better redouble our efforts to get a nuclear weapon.
What do you think the only reason is that the

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pudgy leader of North Korea has not been taken out?
Or his father or grandfather, but what is the only
reason the Kims have remained in power as long as
they have in that failed hermit state of North Korea?
Because they have nukes. Because if we try to or
the South Koreans or anybody tries to take him out,

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they will take potentially the rest of the world down
with them. The Iranians see that as the Ayatollah sees
that as his only path towards remaining in power. So
they dramatically increase their power. centrifuges. They try to get
weapons-grade uranium as quickly as possible. Well, then the Israelis

(51:09):
in the United States take out their nuclear program. The
thinking was, okay, well, Iran, they are maybe going to
come to the table. They've got to realize that their
biggest point of leverage is now gone. Well, the Iranians
are the Iranians. The Ayatollah is the Ayatollah. They tried

(51:32):
to go down to the Fordo nuclear facilities remnants and
get the nuclear dust or potentially partner with China on
doing so. The United States learns about this and says,
all right, it's time to go. They take out the Ayatollah.

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They take out the top leadership February 28th. There could
not be. And I think this was the biggest strategic miscalculation.
Because the United States assumed, because Iran had faced so
many popular uprisings before, that they were going to be overturned.
The Ayatollah is dead. Okay, people take to the streets. Well,

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what happened just a couple of weeks before that? Iran executed...
thousands of protesters, thousands of protest leaders, not just taking
out the people who would have led that uprising, but
also terrifying anybody else who would. This is the biggest reason,
I think, that there is nobody left in that country

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who would just take it over and we could have
a regime that is more friendly to the United States,
to the rest of the Middle East, to the rest
of the world as a whole. But the regime is
still defeated. They don't have a Navy. They don't have
an Air Force. The Revolutionary Guard Corps is decimated. They

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don't have a standing army in the traditional sense of
what we would understand an army to be. What they
do have is is the ability to terrify private shipping
companies by saying, if you try to go through the
Strait of Hormuz, we've got mines everywhere. We've still got
a couple of suicide drones that we could crash into

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your ships. We've still got a couple of missiles that
we could shoot. We could have a couple of dudes
standing on the shore with machine guns and just start
gunning you down. As a result, international shipping slowed to
a halt. until it didn't. I want you to listen.
Over the next, what is this, about three minutes, J.D.

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Vance explains perfectly what is going on, why we needed
to do what we needed to do, why, yes, gas
prices in the short term are high, but are going
to go down very quickly as that Venezuelan oil reserve
hits the global market and as we are now moving

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way more oil through the Strait of Hormuz than we
have since this conflict first started.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
The fundamental reality is that the reason gas prices are
so high right now is because the Iranians are shooting
at commercial shipping. Even, by the way, when they signed
an agreement that said we're going to stop shooting at
commercial shipping, they almost immediately went back to shooting at
commercial shipping. And I actually think that this drives home
a couple of points. Number one, it's why things like

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the Venezuela oil deal are so important is because we've
learned that we can't be over-reliant on anybody for the
world's supply of energy and gas. It's one of the
reasons why the president has pursued an energy dominance agenda. Because, yes,
gas prices are higher in the United States. They're way
worse everywhere else in the world because of what the
president did, particularly during the first administration, to make us

(54:58):
more energy dominant. I also think it drives home, frankly,
the ridiculous atrophy that we saw in our European allies
and their inability to actually do anything to help. keep
world energy markets supplied. So when the Iranians shoot at
commercial shipping, obviously that means some ships don't want to
go through. A lot of ships have gone through. We

(55:20):
got about 15 million barrels out of the Strait of
Hormuz just yesterday, despite the fact that the Iranians continue
to shoot. What has anybody in the world done? Why
is it incumbent upon the United States of America to
be the only country in the world that can actually
ensure world energy markets continue to stay supplied? And the

(55:41):
answer is because we're the only country that has the
capability of doing it. And so what the president has
said is we really have two options here. We could
leave and the entire world would be way worse off
because there would be no guaranteed access to oil and gas.
By the way, the Gulf Arab countries are telling us
that would be the worst thing in the world. Or
we can accept the Iranians are going to shoot at

(56:02):
ships like crazy people and we're going to do what
we have to do in order to ensure that their
efforts don't lead to a worldwide energy crisis. Now, We've
been quite successful up to this point. Gas, frankly, could
have been much, much higher were it not for our efforts.
But I'm not going to make a promise about when
it's going to return to $ 3. What I will say
is that we have to remember, why are we doing this?

(56:24):
Number one, it's so that Iran never has a nuclear weapon.
And number two, what we're doing right now is protecting
commercial shipping in order to ensure that we don't have
a worldwide energy crisis. The only reason, the only reason
we do not have a worldwide energy crisis is is
because of the leadership of the president, but also because
of the fine work of our military from Pete Hegseth

(56:44):
on down. But the Iranians are doing what the Iranians do.
I think that they're losing their capabilities by the day.
I think they're realizing, by the way, that their control
over the Strait of Hormuz is effectively gone, and it's
a diminishing asset. So if you go back three months ago,
how much oil and gas was coming out of the
Strait under Iranian threats? It was virtually nothing. Now it's

(57:08):
almost back to where it was before the conflict even started.
So my advice to the Iranians is stop acting like
crazy people and stop shooting at commercial shipping. And in
the meantime, we've got to do what we've got to do,
despite what a foreign country is going to do in
the Strait of Hormuz.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
That is about as good and as succinct of an
explanation as I've heard. I mean, I do disagree that
Iran is ever going to stop acting like a bunch
of crazy people because they've acted like a bunch of
crazy people since the overthrow of the Shah. And this
is the one big disagreement that I have had with

(57:51):
the Trump administration on the Iran war. I call it
the Mike Ehrmantraut objection. You remember who Mike Ehrmantraut is
from Breaking Bad? What did he famously say to Walter White?
No half measures. You go in, you take them out.
You don't stop the bombing and say, OK, hey, if

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you guys will just stop shooting at ships in the
Strait of Hormuz, we'll give you this great. No, you
take out the people who are bombing the Strait of Hormuz,
shooting at ships in the Strait of Hormuz. Take them out.

Speaker 7 (58:30):
Out.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
War is war, no half measures. Big, big news on
the immigration front. estimates of how many people are in
this country and how many people are not. We'll get
into that with a Dan O'Donnell. We're going to switch
things up just a little bit here. We are going

(58:53):
to get into that big exclusive story that we broke
on the Heartland Post, heartlandpost.com. It is our top story
right now. David Crowley endorsed by a group that literally
has worked to trans the kids. This is supposed to
be the moderate in the Wisconsin gubernatorial. He's nothing like

(59:15):
Franny Horn. He is, boy, he's not radical at all. Also,
would you believe he did a land acknowledgement? He believes
Milwaukee County is stolen land. Again, totally, totally not the radical. First, though,

(59:39):
I want to get to this and make sure we
do it justice, because we have a big, big deal
that I don't think is, again, really being reported sort
of like the Venezuelan oil deal. Center for Immigration Studies, CIS,

(01:00:01):
has preliminary data that suggests for the first time since
the 1930s, the United States has a sustained net decrease
in migration. That's right. For the first time in nearly
100 years, we have seen More people leaving this country

(01:00:24):
than coming in. Now, you might think, Dan, isn't that bad? No,
because 2.3 million of the people who left last year
or who are represented in that 3 million net migration,
net outward migration, are illegals. According to CIS, 2.3 million

(01:00:49):
illegal immigrants have been deported. either through forcible deportation, that
number is estimated to be about 600,000, or through voluntary
outward migration, voluntary deportation, the Trump administration engaged in a

(01:01:10):
very aggressive policy that could be considered somewhat controversial. It
took the CBP1 app that the Biden administration essentially used
as a pre-booking service for illegal immigrants coming into this country.
They would essentially get like a reservation. They sort of

(01:01:34):
used it like the open table app that you would
use to book dinner. They would use CBP1 when they're
still in South America or Central America, they're en route.
And they would say, hey, we're going to declare refugee status.
Here's where we're going to arrive. It's almost unbelievable. Well,

(01:01:55):
the Trump administration changed that to CBP Home. CBP, by
the way, the Border Patrol. CBP Home. What they did
for all of the people who already have CBP One
on their phones, they would get messages constantly saying, hey,
we're going to give you free plane tickets home for

(01:02:18):
you and whomever you want to bring, and we are
going to give you $ 3, 000. thousand dollars to get out.
You want to start a new life back in Nicaragua?
Here's 3,000 bucks. How far do you think that could
get you? Probably pretty far. The Trump administration estimates that

(01:02:40):
3 million people took advantage of this. Now, The net
migration stats are a little tricky because we think that
there are very few people who actually got into the
interior of the United States. We are very likely to

(01:03:02):
see an even greater number by the end of this year, rather, obviously,
as the deportation efforts are very aggressive. Over the past, boy, just...
one month or so, I believe it was 50,000 forcible
deportations done almost entirely in secret. If there were 50,000

(01:03:22):
forcible deportations, you could probably bet that there were about
100 to 150,000 voluntary deportations of people simply taking this deal, saying,
all right, yeah, you got us, time to go. But
why the number is a little misleading and why we're

(01:03:42):
not quite sure, this is simply the estimate of how
many people there are in this country in 2026 compared
with 2025. And this is actually an 18-month estimate, so
it's looking at the start of 2025 to today. So
when the Trump administration came to power until today. CIS.

(01:04:06):
estimates 2.3 million illegals deported. Roughly 600,000 legal immigrants have
also left the nation. This also is we're not quite
sure just how legal they were. They may have been
legal when they started on their journey to America, but

(01:04:28):
the student visa expired 16 years ago, or the temporary
protected status, which was not all that temporary, but the
Supreme Court recently ruled that, yeah, temporary actually does mean temporary. Sorry, Haitians,
you gotta go. The fact that we have not just

(01:04:52):
millions fewer people, and we also have the Milwaukee Journal
Sentinel today fretting about the fact that, well, all of
the people that the Trump administration is deporting from Wisconsin,
they're law-abiding, they're not committing crimes. How do you explain
the fact that if we are only deporting little old abuelas,

(01:05:14):
who are just minding their business, doing nothing. How do
you explain that the single biggest decline in the immigrant
population is also coinciding with the single biggest drop in
the violent crime rate in at least 70 years and

(01:05:34):
the single biggest drop in the murder rate in this
country since record-keeping began in 1900? Latest FBI UCR uniform
crime reports. They put them out every year. We saw
an 18% drop nationwide in the crime rate. Milwaukee's violent

(01:05:57):
crime rate still went up. Murder rate still went up.
It's an outlier. Nobody can figure out quite why. I
can tell you exactly why, because idiots like David Crowley
are in charge. They enact policies that give criminals tablets
when they get locked up. Most of them don't even
get locked up. And they realize that there are no

(01:06:20):
real consequences of their deviant criminal behavior. So they keep
committing deviant and criminal acts. But across the nation, there
are fewer people who are committing crimes. This leads to,
wait for it, fewer crimes. The fact that you are

(01:06:40):
seeing this is proof positive that we have had a
whole lot of people in this country who should not
have been let in and that now we are actually
undoing the damage that was especially egregious over the past
four years in the Biden administration. Dan O'Donnell's show will

(01:07:01):
be right back. It's conservative. So a bit of a
shocker today. At Fox News, Fox Business to be precise,
although she hosts a weekend show on Fox News, after
more than 12 years at the network, Maria Bartiromo is out.
Effective today, according to a press release from Fox News,

(01:07:26):
Maria Bartiromo is no longer with the network. We thank
her for... We thank Maria for her work over the
last 12 and a half years and wish her all
the best on her next chapter. Now, notice how this
is phrased. Effective today, Maria Bartiromo is no longer with

(01:07:49):
Fox News Media. Was she fired? Was she just unceremoniously
dumped contract, not renewed?

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Maybe. Is it entirely possible that she is actually the
next White House press secretary? Would not totally shock me, actually.
She is very, very good at thinking on her feet.
And one thing we know about President Trump is he

(01:08:21):
loves people he sees on Fox News. This was actually
my thinking about why Scott Jennings was most likely to
be the White House press secretary because President Trump has
seen his clips go mega viral. Yes, I know he's
on CNN tonight, not Fox News. But he goes toe
to toe on that show with like five libs at

(01:08:43):
a time, including the host, and makes them all look silly.
He is incredibly well researched. He is very, very good
at dealing with hostile questions. And I think you would
be fantastic but what this i i was actually shocked
that bartiromo was let go now it sort of made

(01:09:07):
sense fox will never admit it but a couple of
years ago when in very short succession Right after they
settled a lawsuit with Dominion Voting Systems, Tucker Carlson and
Dan Bongino were let go. Both of them were, I believe,
fired as part of that settlement. That, okay, the two

(01:09:31):
guys who defamed our company, Dominion, they've got to go.
They can no longer appear on your network. That makes sense.
Bongino got work as a top deputy at the FBI,
left after a year. He's gone back to his podcast.
I swear I just saw him on the Fox News
monitor in our studio. He may be back on Fox.

(01:09:54):
He had a weekend show. He was a regular contributor.
He was all over that network. But they got rid
of him. There's no real reason to get rid of
Maria Bartiromo. And what this announcement sort of strikes me as,
is when a player suddenly walks out of the dugout

(01:10:14):
during a baseball game, like right before the trade deadline,
or a star player is not in the lineup and
they're not saying why he's not in the lineup. He's
perfectly healthy. He's ready to go. Or maybe it's a
pitcher and he was scheduled to start, but he scratched
at the last minute. And then in like A half hour,
you learn that he's been traded to the Dodgers because

(01:10:36):
every star player, I guess, now gets traded to the
Dodgers or signs with the Dodgers as a free agent.
And they don't pay them until like 2057, which apparently
is a thing now and totally legal. Could you imagine
if iHeartMedia, Dan, we're going to pay you $ 10 million
a year. You're not going to see any of that

(01:10:58):
money until like you're 70 years old. I would still
totally take it. But how would I even know if
iHeartMedia is going to be in business when I'm 70
years old? I'm going to take a wild guess, but
I mean, let's face it, the company has been through
bankruptcy a couple of times. The more I read about

(01:11:19):
the L.A. Dodgers House of Cards in the way that
they got just an absolute sweetheart deal with Major League
Baseball and how their TV rights deal is set up, Man,
it makes me hate the Dodgers even more than the Cubs.
We'll talk a little bit about Brewers-Cubs. The final game

(01:11:41):
of that series is a little bit earlier. Was it
6-15 tonight? His first pitch down at Wrigley Field. And
the Brewers looking to slam the door on Chicago at
this divisional race. A win tonight would put the Brewers
up by 10 games in the division with less than
a month to go. I think the Cubs are probably

(01:12:04):
already out of it. I mean, there is one more
series in what a week or so at American family
field starting, starting this Monday. Oh, that's right. They've got the,
what is it? The reds. And then, yeah, then they're
back against the Cubs starting labor day. So, They're going

(01:12:25):
to get real– for some reason I thought that was
the following Monday. Is it not me or is it
not weird that Labor Day is this late? It just
feels like we're talking– it feels weird that we're talking
about Labor Day coming up. It's already September 3rd. It
feels like Labor Day should be in the past, but yes.
As always, my days kind of run together. But it

(01:12:48):
would not shock me at all, given the announcement about
Maria Bartiromo and just the way it's– and how Bartiromo
is not saying anything. Vance actually was asked about this.
He said, hey– Reporter goes, is there any truth? There
are rumors out there that Maria Bartiromo, she was let

(01:13:09):
go from Fox today. Is she going to be the
press secretary? He goes, I'd like Peter Doocy from Fox
News to come up and we'll pepper him with questions
about Maria Bartiromo and what happened. I'm telling you, J.D. Vance, really,
really impressive today. He is going to be a formidable
figure in 2028 and I believe beyond. And I think

(01:13:31):
Democrats are know it. I think they understand just how, uh,
just how well he communicates and just how fluently he
is able to speak the language of populist conservatism. I
think that has got a lot of people scared. And
I think over the next couple of years, you are

(01:13:54):
going to see huge, huge efforts to take out JD
Vance because they know You have J.D. Vance and Marco
Rubio as his running mate. Real difficult to beat that ticket,
if you ask me. You're listening to the Dan O'Donnell Show.
A couple of questions today about how our show used

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Have I been banned from X? No, dear listener. We
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we are basically trying to ensure that we are getting

(01:14:39):
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We hope to be back up and streaming again on
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you would get booted off if you said anything that
Facebook or Google or Twitter before Elon Musk bought it

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about the 2020 election, the efficacy or safety of vaccines,
mask mandates, or whether COVID was created in a lab.
I mean, you seriously were not allowed to say any
of this. I got suspended for two weeks on YouTube. Actually,

(01:16:11):
I think it was my second strike. I think I
was suspended for six months because Senator Ron Johnson, was
talking about mask mandates on my show.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
A U.S.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Senator, they were saying. Like, who cares if you shut
me up, but a senator? Come on now. All right,
we'll be right back here on the Dan O'Donnell Show.
News up next. David Crowley is supposed to be the moderate, right?
This is why he was considered the best possible choice

(01:16:44):
for Democrats to take on Francesco Hong in the primary,
to beat back the socialists. He's not a socialist. He's
not a crazy person like Francesco Hong. He's normal. He
is totally normal. He is not out there. He is
not one of those guys who opens up pretty much
every major speech with a land acknowledgment. Oops, he actually is.

(01:17:11):
The Daily Wire, dailywire.com. The moderate Democrat running to be
Wisconsin's next governor thinks parts of the state he hopes
to lead were built on stolen land. Multiple times during
his time leading Wisconsin's most populous county, Milwaukee County Executive

(01:17:32):
David Crowley apologized for being on land he said was
stolen from American Indian tribes last October. He made the
comment during an Indigenous Peoples Day event. We're recognizing the
existence of folks who lived on this land before it
was actually stolen from them. Indigenous people have taken care

(01:17:55):
of these lands, understanding that these lands belong to all
of us, and it's important that we preserve it. 2021
State of the County Address opened up his speech by
boasting about strides in equity made in the past year with, yes,
a land acknowledgement. I'd like to begin by respectfully acknowledging

(01:18:17):
where we reside here at the Milwaukee County Courthouse on
traditional Potawatomi, Ho-Chunk, and Menominee homeland land. right on the
southwest shore of michigami michigami is that origami but from
michigan i'm kidding i know what it is we acknowledge
that we stand on land taken from its rightful stewards

(01:18:39):
as a small but necessary gesture towards honoring our native
american brothers and sisters this is why i would love
to have david crowley on the Dan O'Donnell Show. Who
are the rightful stewards of this land? No, seriously, which tribe? Pottawatomie, Ho-Chunk, Menominee,

(01:19:00):
which specifically the Milwaukee County Courthouse? Which tribe has the
Right to it. And are you giving any land that
is not the exact size of a casino and hotel
in Milwaukee back to the native tribes? This is the

(01:19:23):
dumbest damn... If I were a native, I would be
honest to God pissed when I hear these land acknowledgments.
We acknowledge that we are on land stolen from the Potawatomi.
All right, you're giving it back?

Speaker 8 (01:19:36):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
You know, if I say I am talking to you
on an iPhone that was stolen from Steve. Well, if
I don't give Steve back his iPhone, what the hell
good is it that I've acknowledged that I am in
possession of Steve's stolen iPhone? It's just phony. It's nonsensical.

(01:19:57):
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presented as the moderate because he doesn't buy into all
that gender craziness, particularly transing the kids. So how do

(01:21:29):
you explain this one? His latest endorsement, this an exclusive
from our Justin Phillips over at the Heartland Post, heartlandpost.com,
comes from a national left-wing organization that has spent years
fighting Wisconsin Republicans over gender transition procedures for minors as
well as boys in girls' sports and parental rights. The

(01:21:55):
Human Rights Campaign PAC, announced its endorsement of Crowley for
Wisconsin governor, including the Milwaukee County executive among a slate
of Democratic gubernatorial candidates it describes as pro-equality champions. Here
in Wisconsin... The Human Rights Campaign has repeatedly lobbied against

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legislation dealing with transgender issues involving children and even pressured
Governor Evers to preserve taxpayer funding for gender transition procedures.
In 2023, Republican lawmakers included a provision in the state
budget prohibiting Medicaid dollars here in the state. from being

(01:22:39):
used to pay for gender reassignment surgery or puberty blockers
when prescribed for gender transition. The Human Rights Campaign launched
a public campaign urging Evers to veto the provision, calling
the proposal an attack on gender-affirming health care. Evers ultimately obliged,

(01:23:01):
using his partial veto authority to strike the prohibition from
the state budget. HRC, of course, celebrated... Now, that same year,
the same organization fought Republican legislation that would have prohibited
doctors from performing certain gender transition medical interventions on children

(01:23:23):
under the age of 18. This is about as common
sense as it gets. Assembly Bill 465 would have prohibited
physicians from performing gender reassignment surgeries on minors or prescribing
puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for the purpose of gender transition.
HRC blasted the legislation as an effort to take away

(01:23:45):
what it called life-saving medical care from transgender youth and
celebrated when Evers vetoed the bill. So it's saving a
kid's life to trans him. Uh-huh. HRC has also publicly

(01:24:11):
opposed Republican legislation here. that would preserve women's and girls'
athletic teams on the basis of biological sex, arguing instead
that transgender students should be permitted to participate on teams
consistent with their gender identity. It also opposed the 2023 Parents'
Bill of Rights, Assembly Bill 510, of course, introduced by Republicans,

(01:24:35):
recognized parents' rights to review instructional materials used in their
children's classrooms receive notice of certain controversial subjects, make decisions
regarding names and pronouns used for their children at school, and, quote,
direct the upbringing, education, health care, and mental health of
their children. Yeah, HRC said it would force teachers to

(01:24:58):
misgender and deadname students. Of course, Evers vetoed it. Of course,
the human rights campaign applauded. This group does not believe
that I have a right to know if one of
my children is claiming to be a boy or claiming

(01:25:18):
to be a girl at school. They think I don't
have a right to know that. I can't even fathom
how twisted that is. We were talking before about Morgan Geyser.
One of the two Slender Man girls. Do you realize

(01:25:40):
she now identifies as a male? Do you also realize
that the doctors treating her at the Winnebago Mental Health
Facility in Oshkosh did not see that as any sort
of mental disorder? illness or anything like that they gave

(01:26:01):
morgan geyser a clean bill of mental health despite the
fact that she is admitting to gender dysphoria feeling like
she is born in the wrong body she's actually supposed
to be a male they let her out she immediately
escapes from her group home in madison this and this
is the group that endorses david crowley the supposed moderate

(01:26:23):
Good news for Crowley. Mitchell International Airport is getting $ 14
million from the federal government to help repair its infrastructure.
The FAA announcing nearly $ 500 million in grant money today
to improve airport infrastructure and safety at airports in 36 states.

(01:26:45):
JS Online, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that includes $ 14. 2 million
for taxiway construction and rehabilitation at Mitchell Airport. In Milwaukee.
That's a shame it's got to go to taxiways because
it could cover the $ 12 million it's apparently going to

(01:27:06):
take to fix the stupid moving walkway, which has been
shut down forever. And the Crowley administration, yes, the county
executive is saying, in charge of the airport, the Crowley
administration has been completely, they've been flummoxed at how to
fix the moving walkway. They said, they put a sign up,

(01:27:29):
the moving walkway, it is literally just a conveyor belt
that moves people. It's like a horizontal escalator. They put
a sign up, that says this moving walkway is unfortunately
beyond repair due to unavailable replacement parts. The cost to
replace the moving walkways is $ 12 million. MKE is working

(01:27:53):
on a long-term plan for this area. Well, last year...
When people noticed, hey, it's kind of weird that it's
going to take $ 12 million, a spokesperson for Crowley told
Channel 12 that the county allocated $ 219, 920 not for repair,
but to determine the best plan of action for walkway repairs.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
It took $ 220, 000 to figure out what to do with
the moving walkway that they can't figure out how to
fix and claim that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
It's going to take $ 12 million to replace. Do you
realize the level of bureaucratic idiocy? We're going to take $ 220, 000.
It is going to take $ 220, 000 to study the moving
walkway to figure out what we should do. Hey, walkway,

(01:28:54):
why you no move? What are they.

Speaker 6 (01:29:01):
A $ 220, 000 to study why a walkway doesn't move when
it's supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
That's the thing about Crowley. It's not the radicalism. It's
not the land acknowledgements. It's the fact that he is
completely and totally incompetent. You're listening to the Dan O'Donnell Show.
Coming up next, Congressman Glenn Grothman joins the show to

(01:29:29):
talk about the Dan O'Donnell Show. We are pleased to
be joined once again by Congressman Glenn Grothman. Congressman, thank
you so much as always for taking the time. Welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Well, glad to be on the show. We just got
done voting for the week. Next week, a lot of
us will be down in Dallas networking, meeting officials of
the Trump administration and other conservative activists. So, It's kind
of two weeks not being in Washington as we dealt
with that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Well, that's got to be fun. And obviously in Dallas,
it is the big midterm convention. I have not heard
a lot of details about this. Have you heard how
exactly it's going to work?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Well, there'll be, like all conventions, there'll be a variety
of banquets and dinners and that sort of thing. I'll
tell you, I wasn't thrilled to go down there, but
I'm amused as an opportunity to meet with Kimberly. for
america and she's very intrigued with my work on uh

(01:30:30):
that huge marriage penalty and the other perverse incentives in
the uh welfare program.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
And you've got i apologize congressman i apologize to interrupt
you you sort of cut out there who are you meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
With um kimberly fletcher she's the head of a group
called moms of america maybe the biggest grassroots uh women's
network in America, super conservative. I would say she's a
modern day Phyllis Schlafly. And, you know, one of my
goals to get out of the Trump administration is doing
something with our welfare programs, which are so anti-marriage and

(01:31:05):
so anti-work. And I really look forward to working with her.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
What do you think the biggest reform needs to be? Obviously,
we have tried for years to strengthen welfare to work requirements,
but ever since really the great society programs of Lyndon
Johnson in the late 1960s, you're right, it's almost as
though women have been penalized for getting and staying married.
People generally have been penalized for working because there's sort

(01:31:32):
of a benefits cliff that you fall off of if
you make too much or you work too many hours.
What do you think the biggest fix for that is?

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Actually, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
First of all, I'll say the change it's had in society.
In the 1950s, the number of children born out of
wedlock was about 4%. It's now 42%. Can you imagine
how different America would be today if we had a 4%
rate among children born without a father in the home?

(01:32:02):
I think the number one answer, you've got to have
time limits on this sort of thing, and you've got
to have some more incentives to keep the man in
the home. I think when you look at any area
that's has a huge problem, say Milwaukee, for example, which
has a huge crime problem that we're going to talk about,
a lot of that comes with the complete breakdown of

(01:32:26):
the family. And whether you're dealing with crime, whether you're
dealing with drug abuse, whether you're dealing with depression, whether
you're dealing with economic stagnation, All of those are related
to the breakdown of the family, which all were, you
could almost say by design, coming out of the Great

(01:32:47):
Society of the 1960s. I know President Trump has not
been a big champion in welfare reform. It's one of
the things I wish he'd do more, but I've been
talking to his staff right now. And I think in
his final two years, he can make it a priority,
particularly highlighting this marriage penalty, which has to be addressed.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Without question, and we are, in fact, talking about crime
because a story that I think absolutely shocked people. Late
last week, when Milwaukee County Judge David Borowski went on
an absolute rant about a triple murder suspect by the
name of Thomas Zollicoffer using his jail-issued tablet to talk

(01:33:31):
about intimidating witnesses in the triple murder case with which
he's charged. This went mega viral here. Take a listen
to just a brief little bit of Judge Borowski talking
about what a lot of people didn't even know existed. Congressman,
free tablets for inmates.

Speaker 9 (01:33:52):
Why is the Sheriff's Department giving laptops and iPads to
defendants that are charged in homicides or any defendant? Why
is the Sheriff's Department handing laptops or iPads to defendants?

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
So that's Judge David Borowski. And as soon as people learn, hey, wait,
why is Milwaukee County's jail giving tablets to inmates in
the first place? there were a lot of people who
had some serious explaining to do. You're taking a look
at this now at the federal level, because Milwaukee is

(01:34:33):
far from the only jurisdiction that does this, right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Well, well, right. The chairman of the oversight committee, Jamie, uh, Comer,
somewhat of a nationally known figure. Uh, he is previously
asking questions of tablets have been going to inmates in California,
not the state you'd like to be associated with. Uh,
We have found examples in Milwaukee, and he's going to

(01:34:57):
look for more information, in which one inmate contacted his
victim over 1,500 times. I mean, you would normally think
that once the perpetrator is caught, that the victim can
finally rest easy at night. But when you are giving
somebody tablets and they are doing any contact, with their

(01:35:21):
victims from sexual assault, from violent crimes. That's scary. When
you figure it's happening over a thousand times, it's really scary.
And what it comes down to is a lack of
understanding about crime, right? If you're dealing with criminals and
give them a tablet, what do you think they're going
to do, right? I mean, it's kind of obvious. And,
you know, we have a huge crime problem in Milwaukee, right?

(01:35:45):
I mean, I grew up in the Milwaukee area. You
grew up in the Milwaukee area. There are areas that
were always considered The place to go, Water Street, Brady Street,
and things have changed dramatically, right? And if you're going
to get back, if Milwaukee is going to get back
to be the safe city it was. And Dan, when
I was in high school, they used to publish in U.S.

(01:36:07):
News & World Report the crime rates of the 25
biggest cities in the country. Your listeners might be surprised
to know that in the early 70s, Milwaukee was either
the safest city or second-safest city in the country next
to San Diego when it came to crime.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Wait, wait, wait, hold up. Milwaukee went, in 50 years,
from the safest or second-safest city in America. There were
years in there, post-2020, where it was like Milwaukee, Memphis,
New Orleans— They were the murder capitalists of the United States.

(01:36:47):
We've had one of the highest violent crime and murder
rates in America for a while. It was one of
the states that's actually stunning to me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
If you're younger than me, maybe you don't remember it,
but I will tell you. And there were two cities
of the 25 that were easily the safest cities in
the country. Not a close call. It was Milwaukee and
San Diego. And, of course, since then, we were a
welfare magnet. people came here from other areas, and we've had,

(01:37:17):
quite frankly, some fuzzy head of liberal thinking, of which
these tablets are part. You know, I think it is
just so embarrassing that if I'm going into Milwaukee and
looking somewhere to go out, it's streets like Brady Street,
which is where all the young people hung out, or
Water Street, where you went to after the Bucks game,

(01:37:38):
that now they're dangerous. And You wouldn't believe it, the
huge northwest side of Milwaukee. You know, you look at
where the murders are happening, Brown Deer Road, Good Hope Road,
Appleton Avenue. I mean, this whole area is a problem.
And if you're going to get Milwaukee back to where

(01:37:59):
it should be, you need people who have a common
sense view of criminality, right? We can't be saying, oh,
these are all so nice, gentle people. Let's give them
all a tablet and see what happens.

Speaker 10 (01:38:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
What's going to happen? You give criminals a tablet. They're
going to track down their victims and further terrorize them
on the tablets that the government gave them. Now, that's
what we found was going on in California, which is
why Janie Coleman. wanted to look into it with some
other congressmen. And then they found about this going on

(01:38:35):
in Wisconsin, and they'll be asking more questions of where
the money comes from the tablets, how often the tablets
were being used by the criminal elements. And this is,
I think, sometimes part of the problem in a city
like Milwaukee. They do not view crime or when you

(01:38:57):
catch a criminal cause for punishment. Right. And that is
one of the reasons why we have victims of crime
getting over a thousand messages from the perpetrator and why
you continue to have such high crime going on. And particularly,

(01:39:17):
will it affect the governor's race? I don't know. But obviously,
when we have such a problem in Milwaukee, it's something
that people have to look at. And I think the governor,
whoever they are, has to take a look at the
crime situation in Wisconsin overall, and in Milwaukee in particular,
and say, what can we do to get, say, the

(01:39:40):
murder rate back under, say, 90 or 70, which still
would have been horrifically high. when i was a child
but at least to be something.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Level wisconsin congressman glenn growth men here on the dan
o'donnell show sir uh... we i'd i'd i'd have actually
some more things i want to ask you about especially
on the issue of trade as you've learned something pretty
interesting about why exactly canada is not accepting or did
not accept a very very generous deal that president trump

(01:40:11):
had offer were running late for a break attack i
was hoping we would be able to hold you through
the break we'll talk about trade coming up next uh...
we've got more with congressman glenn grossman on the other
side of this break just a couple of minutes stay
tuned it is the intelligent discourse irreverent Most of the time. Well,
we always have fun. Sometimes we're actually intelligent. We are

(01:40:35):
joined right now by Wisconsin Congressman Glenn Grothman. And we
were talking in that last segment about the issue of
crime in Milwaukee. That's a stunning stat. I did not
realize that Milwaukee went from the second safest big city
in America to one of the more dangerous in recent years.
And that's a testament to to fifty years of democrat

(01:40:58):
control culminating in this cockamamie idea that if we just
give all of the inmates ipads what could possibly possibly
go wrong congressman growth and thank you so much for
sticking with us i want to talk to you also
about the issue of trade so You and I were

(01:41:18):
sort of going back and forth over the U.S.-Canada imbroglio,
and I did not realize that one of the big
reasons that Canada did not accept a very generous offer
that President Trump made on trade was because of some
pretty deep ties that the Carney administration, Prime Minister Mark

(01:41:40):
Carney of Canada, has with Clinton loyalists, Hillary Clinton loyalists.
Explain that, if you could.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Well, just so your listeners know, the prime minister of
Canada is a very liberal person. And liberals may hang
around with liberals in other countries. Now, the Trump administration
felt they had cut a good deal. They've had great
relations as far as cutting deals, say, with Mexico. They
felt they had a good deal with Canada. And two
days after the deal was agreed to, all of a sudden,

(01:42:09):
Canada backed out of the deal, which puts the Trump
administration kind of in a difficult, difficult place. But the
thing that I don't think enough people realize is that
it is apparent that the reason Canada backed out of
this deal, which was a good deal for all concerned,
we believe was politics. They want to embarrass President Trump.

(01:42:32):
And if Canada has to go ahead for another three
months without a good trade deal with the United States,
they're willing to do that to punish President Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
And....

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
Again, it's something we have to put up with, kind
of the viciousness of the people on the left side
of things. President Trump's overall trade agenda is doing well, right?
In the first year after he instituted the tariffs, I'm
not the biggest fan of the tariffs, but in the
first year he saw a reduction in the trade deficit

(01:43:08):
by 25%. we saw a reduction in the trade deficit
with China by 31%. I mean, this is the type
of thing that's been floating around there forever. You know,
it seems like China is sending, you know, railroad car
after railroad car stuff in our country. In one year,

(01:43:30):
Trump has cut the deficit we have with China by 31%.
I know sometimes he says things that can irritate people.
I personally am not going to refer to Lake Ontario
as Lake America because But you've got to give credit
where credit is due, right? When in one year you
have a 31% reduction in the trade deficit with Canada,

(01:43:55):
with China, I'm sorry, with China, that's something the American
public had better wake up about. And if you go
back someday and have a different administration here in which
they go back to the old system, you're going to
have that trade deficit explode again. And of course, one
of the reasons why we have a cut in the
deficit is the huge increase in manufacturing in this country, which, again,

(01:44:19):
is to a certain extent, I think, due to this
trade policy and to a certain extent due to this
tax policy, as our businesses are no longer at a
competitive disadvantage with the European or East Asian businesses when
it comes to taxes. So I think the combination of
the things are the reason why that trade deficit has
fallen so much. And we have to remember to judge

(01:44:42):
President Trump on his policies. And certainly his policies when
it comes to trade deficits and bringing manufacturing back to
America have been highly successful.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
So judge him on the things that actually matter and
not renaming Lake Ontario to Lake America. I heard you
say that you would. You weren't a big fan of that.
Is that the reason? Because it's just one of these
superfluous things that we don't really need?

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
I don't like to change the names of anything. I
like the names to remain where I was as a
child because it's easier to know what you're talking about, right?
Think how long it's going to take to get people
to change the name of Lake Ontario. But President Trump
is doing a good job with this. It improves the
economy across the board and You're not going to have

(01:45:35):
other politicians putting America first if putting America first is
penalized at the ballot box, right?

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
I mean, right now, manufacturing overall is on the upswing
in this country, and that is because of President Trump's policies.
And not just President Trump's policies, but the policies implemented
in both the big tax cut bill in 2016 and
in the big tax cut bill last year, which had

(01:46:05):
provisions in there which encouraged people to go to work,
provisions which kind of depended upon some of these tariffs.
And if you want to continue to have a situation
in which inflation, while it's still higher than we want,
is nowhere near what it was under the Biden years,

(01:46:26):
if you want to continue to have that, you've got
to vote and you've got to get people out to vote. Otherwise,
the message that's sent to politicians who are in Washington
now or will be in Washington in the future is
the public really doesn't care about trade deficits or they
don't care whether goods and services are being made. And
that's an area in which he's doing a very good

(01:46:46):
job and we can't worry about this blip. We believe
Canada will sign the agreements that were negotiated after November.
But right now, Um, they are looking out for their, uh, the,
the prime minister of Canada is looking out for his

(01:47:09):
cousins or whatever you want to call them in United States,
his left of left Trump haters. And as a result,
they're not, they're not reaching a deal that they really
agreed to, which is unfortunate, but people have to realize
there's not a trade war going on here with Canada. Um, president, uh,

(01:47:30):
Trump tries to get along with everybody. Things are going
great with Mexico. And I think for political reasons, you
have this two or three month, month blip with Canada
because they want to punish president Trump because he is
really a hope, not just for the United States, but
really the whole free world.

Speaker 11 (01:47:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
He describes himself as America first, but it's really, I'm not,
I'm not afraid of promoting the Western, uh, Western culture,
Western world. I mean, I think he's even providing a
good example for a lot of the Europeans and better
be rewarded for it or it's not going to happen again.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Well, let's certainly hope that the American people do reward
Trump and Republicans for what has been, I believe, a
very highly successful first half of the not even a
first half of the second term he is congressman glenn
growthman joining me here on the dan o'donnell show yes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Sir remember 25 percent in the first year in the
uh trade deficit had dropped That's big stuff, and people
don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Yes, it is. That's very true. Congressman Grothman, we always
appreciate having you on the program. Have a wonderful Labor
Day weekend. I'm sure we'll talk again soon.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
You are listening to the Dan O'Donnell.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Show.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Yeah, my thanks once again to Congressman Glenn Grothman for
hanging out for the last couple of segments there. A
couple of very, very interesting points. On the trade deal
that wasn't with Canada, is there any real surprise that
this is almost certainly political, that you have got political
people and the Clintonista that he was talking about, Maya Johnson,

(01:49:15):
who was just hired by the Carney administration, the prime
minister of Canada, in a very prominent role. Is it
any real wonder that you have got a whole lot
of pressure on Carney not to accept any deal with
Trump until after the midterms? This, by the way, is also–
we heard Vice President J.D. Vance in a couple of

(01:49:37):
extended audio soundbites last hour talking about the straight-up whore
moves when Iran is trying to– is it any wonder
that they're trying to hold on for as long as
they can because they clearly think that, A– President Trump
is going to be more constrained as he gets closer
to the midterms. And then afterwards, well, you might actually

(01:49:59):
have a brand new Congress who could theoretically revoke any
sort of authorization for use of force. Doesn't exactly work
like that. But it should tell you that as we
play that audio soundbite from Vance this hour, that the
Democrats side with everybody, it seems, except the American people.

(01:50:22):
that they're for them and not you. That's why that
ad in 2024, Kamala is for they, them, Trump is
for you, was so effective because it's true. Democrats will
take everybody's side except America's in pretty much every argument.
They will take the side of the nation's most hostile,

(01:50:46):
and it does not get more hostile than Iran. It's
not to say that Democrats are openly cheering for Iran,
although there is a sizable contingent of Democrats who have
either recently won elective office or are running in this
midterm who are a little uncomfortably close to the terrorist movement,

(01:51:07):
a little uncomfortably sympathetic to people who have actually committed
terrorist acts. but it's that they will never say that
what america is doing is morally correct that that always
america as personified by Donald Trump, and now they can
just say Trump as shorthand for America, that that is wrong.

(01:51:32):
And when is America ever right? Well, when it's bowing down,
as personified by Barack Obama, literally bowing to pretty much
every world leader that he ever encountered during his term,
when it's America basically saying, not exerting its dominance or
even exerting its proper leadership role in the world. Democrats

(01:51:55):
will side with that. And also Congressman Grossman talking about
the insane. And this is the other thing. It goes
back to Democrats are for they, them Democrats are for
the enemies of free, fair, good society and civilization. Why
are they here? giving criminals laptops? Why are they giving

(01:52:18):
them free tech? Why are you expected to pay $ 70, 000
per year to give a jail inmate a laptop after
multiple jail inmates have been caught using those laptops to
either threaten witnesses to their crimes or stalk people. They're
literally in jail for stalking or even use them to

(01:52:41):
commit new crimes by looking at child porn. All of
these have happened just in the last couple of months
to a year at the Milwaukee County Jail. David Crowley,
perfectly fine giving tablets to inmates. All right, coming up tonight,
final game of a four-game series between the Brewers and Cubs.

(01:53:05):
at Wrigley Field down in Chicago. The Brewers have won
two of the first three games. The less said about
game one, who's that 17-3, the better. And yes, the
Miz got roughed up yesterday, but the crew comes back
and gets a 9-5 win. The Brewers, with a win tonight,

(01:53:26):
can all but put the Cubs to bed in this
divisional race. Now, yes, I know a lot can happen
between September 3rd and the start of October when the
playoffs begin. But right now the Brewers are nine games
ahead of Chicago in the NL Central standings. This would
put them 10 games ahead. When you are up double digits,

(01:53:49):
it's almost impossible you surrender this lead. Now, I think
it's probably impossible, next to impossible, I shouldn't say impossible,
it's next to impossible to surrender this lead with this
few games left to play but i say that because
the brewers have just been consistently impressive this season as

(01:54:11):
good as they were last year as as incredible as
this team played i think the 2026 brewers are actually
better the pitching staff led by the ms has been
outstanding no they're not hitting for power got in a
big argument about a two three weeks ago and i
said look the lack of power in the lineup is

(01:54:33):
a little concerning to me when you've got to get
your runs potentially in bunches going up against a very
very good pitching staff in fact the pitching staff that
i think probably is better than the brewers that you're
likely going to face in the the la dodgers in
the nlcs but The Brewers offensively, they're getting runs on

(01:54:55):
the board. They're taking it to a very good Cubs team.
I know we don't like to say that here in Milwaukee,
but the Cubs are a good team. The Brewers just
look that much better. So let's close them out, Brew crew.
We are out of time here on the Dan O'Donnell Show.
Back 3-0-6 tomorrow. We do it all again. Have a

(01:55:16):
great night, Wisconsin. On the iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Yeah, my thanks once again to Congressman
Glenn Grothman for hanging out for the last couple of
segments there. A couple of very, very interesting points. On
the trade deal that wasn't with Canada, is there any

(01:55:38):
real surprise there? that this is almost certainly political that
you have got political people and that that clintonista that
he was talking about maya johnson who was just hired
by the carney administration the prime minister of canada in
a very prominent role is it any real wonder that

(01:56:00):
you have got a whole lot of pressure on carney
not to accept any deal with trump until after the
midterms this by the way is also we we heard
Vice President J.D. Vance, in a couple of extended audio
soundbites last hour, talking about the straight-up whore moves when
Iran is trying to... Is it any wonder that they're

(01:56:20):
trying to hold on for as long as they can?
Because they clearly think that, A, President Trump is going
to be more constrained as he gets closer to the midterms,
and then afterwards, well, you might actually have a brand
new Congress who could theoretically... revoke any sort of authorization
for use of force doesn't exactly work like that but

(01:56:44):
it should tell you that as we play that audio
soundbite from vance this hour that the the democrats side
with everybody it seems except the american people that therefore
them and not you that's why that ad in 2024,
Kamala is for they, them, Trump is for you, was

(01:57:08):
so effective because it's true. Democrats will take everybody's side
except America's in pretty much every argument. They will take
the side of the nation's most hostile, and it does
not get more hostile than Iran. It's not to say
that Democrats are openly cheering for Iran. Although there is

(01:57:29):
a sizable contingent of Democrats who have either recently won
elective office or are running in this midterm who are
a little uncomfortably close to the terrorist movement, a little
uncomfortably sympathetic to people who have actually committed terrorist acts.

(01:57:49):
But it's that they will never say that what America
is doing is morally correct, that that always happens. america
as personified by donald trump another to say trump as
shorthand america that that that is wrong and when is
America ever right? Well, when it's bowing down, as personified

(01:58:12):
by Barack Obama, literally bowing to pretty much every world
leader that he ever encountered during his term. When it's
America basically not exerting its dominance or even exerting its
proper leadership role in the world, Democrats will side with them.

(01:58:33):
And also Congressman Grothman talking about the– this is the
other thing. It goes back to Democrats are for they-them.
Democrats are for the enemies of free, fair, good society
and civilization. Why are they giving criminals laptops? Why are
they giving them free tech? Why are you expected to

(01:58:55):
pay $ 70, 000 per year to give a jail inmate a
laptop after multiple jail inmates have been caught using those
laptops to either threaten witnesses to their crimes? Stalk people.
They're literally in jail for stalking or even use them

(01:59:16):
to commit new crimes by looking at child porn. All
of these have happened just in the last couple of
months to a year at the Milwaukee County Jail. David Crowley,
perfectly fine giving tablets to inmates. All right, coming up tonight,
final game of a four-game series between the Brewers and

(01:59:40):
Cubs at Wrigley Field down in Chicago. The Brewers have
won two of the first three games. The less said
about game one, who's that 17-3, the better. And yes,
the Miz got roughed up yesterday, but the crew comes
back and gets a 9-5 win. The Brewers, with a
win tonight, can all but put the Cubs to bed

(02:00:05):
in this divisional race. Now, yes, I know a lot
can happen between September 3rd and the start of October
when the playoffs begin, but right now the Brewers are
nine games ahead of Chicago in the NL Central standings.
This would put them 10 games ahead. When you are
up double digits, it's almost impossible you surrender this lead. Now,

(02:00:27):
I think it's probably impossible. I shouldn't say impossible. it's
next to impossible to surrender this lead with this few
games left to play. But I say that because the
Brewers have just been consistently impressive this season. As good
as they were last year, as incredible as this team played,

(02:00:52):
I think the 2026 Brewers are actually better. The pitching staff,
led by the Miz, has been outstanding. No, they're not
hitting for power. Got in a big argument. about two,
three weeks ago, and I said, look, the lack of
power in the lineup is a little concerning to me
when you've got to get your runs potentially in bunches

(02:01:14):
going up against a very, very good pitching staff. In fact,
a pitching staff that I think probably is better than
the Brewers that you're likely going to face in the L.A.
Dodgers in the NLCS. But the Brewers offensively, they're getting
runs on the board and They're taking it to a
very good Cubs team. I know we don't like to

(02:01:35):
say that here in Milwaukee, but the Cubs are a
good team. The Brewers just look that much better. So
let's close them out, Brew Crew. We are out of
time here on the Dan O'Donnell Show. Back 3-0-6 tomorrow.
We do it all again. Have a great night, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5 (02:02:31):
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Speaker 10 (02:02:32):
A Washington County school bus driver is facing a child
neglect charge. Fox 6's Carl Deffenbaugh explains why.

Speaker 7 (02:02:40):
Investigators say the driver unintentionally left a four-year-old child unattended
on a school bus after completing the bus route over
a recent evening. The sheriff's office says this happened yesterday,
in fact, and the Kewaskan Police Department received a call
from the child's mother after that toddler did not come home.

(02:03:01):
An officer responded to the Johnson School Bus Service facility
yesterday where they found that child inside of a closed bus.
Investigators say the temperatures inside that bus were over 100 degrees.

Speaker 10 (02:03:12):
The child will be okay. The driver has not been
taken into custody. The Wisconsin Elections Commission has ended its
investigation into duplicate absentee ballots in Green Bay. WHBY's Landon Moore.

Speaker 11 (02:03:26):
Hundreds of voters in both the spring general election and
last month's partisan primary were sent to ballots by then-City
Clerk Celestine Jeffries. Commission Attorney Angela O'Brien-Sharp says it appears
that was solely the result of Jeffries' own actions.

Speaker 12 (02:03:38):
It seems that the common contributing factor was an individual
making decisions about reprinting labels without checking any procedures or
processes to ensure that duplication would not occur.

Speaker 11 (02:03:50):
Jeffries was placed on leave and eventually resigned.

Speaker 10 (02:03:53):
And Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell will soon be returning to Washington.
Kentucky Congressman James Comer.

Speaker 13 (02:03:59):
I have not talked to Leader McConnell. I've talked to
his staff, many of whom are from my district originally.
And they have all said it's their goal for Senator
McConnell to be here when the Senate comes in next week.

Speaker 10 (02:04:12):
The 84-year-old McConnell was hospitalized in June, but was later
revealed to have been a fall. Checking the holiday automotive
and Fond du Lac sports scoreboard, Brewers wrap up their series.

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