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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good morning, you'll find me out with Pete and the
Pope Cold. I'm Peter Lennon and I'm the Poet Goal
and we're on the air with Queen Sheba, who's coming
to the Hudson Valley on April thirtieth. And we're going
to know a great deal about Queen Sheba. But first
we're going to go to Poet Coal for a weekly
poem prayer incantation. Gol please let it roll.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm going to do hit and Run and hypno therapy.
Take a potato chip bag and crumple it, crushing all
the chips inside. When I was younger, I used to
do it all the time. When a human bone is crushed,
it sounds the same. The van left me on a
black tar of Manhattan Street. I left the van buried
in the sand on the beach. Hit and run, Hypno therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That hit and we're running that one. You know, we
did this second show with Queen Sheba. Then people can
go back to the podcast to what happened the first
time they missed it. But you know, one of the things,
a queen, when you were talking about your childhood in
your early adult life, you know, it was certainly you know,
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anybody was there trauma. It's certainly fascinating and compelling it all.
But my sense was, you know, just reading about you.
You in two thousand and one, when we had nine
to eleven, when the attack on the World Trade Census,
you wrote a poem that became famous and people really
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got some subtidence from that. And I guess what I'm
curious about is how you having this traumatic American life,
how that could serve as a basis for you to
give comfort to people when America gets attacked.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Oh well, that's an amazing question. I don't think that's
ever been asked that before, right, because I don't want
people to suffer. I know what suffering feels like. And
I am weird, weirdly the type of person. I don't
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know if weirdly was putting the right place there. I
don't know if my double commas were in the right place.
I don't know if I'm weirdly the type of person,
or if I'm the type of person who weirdly will
sit here in Atlanta where nothing's happening and think, I
wonder if what's happening in India right now. I wonder
if they're eating, like during the holidays. I'm like, I
wonder what jay Z is doing and not that like
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I want to join jay Z for dinner, but I'm like,
I wonder if he's happy. You know, I don't know.
It's just I just think these things and I don't
know because I don't want people to suffer at all.
And I and people think that celebrities don't suffer, they
just have it made. It's not the case. It's almost
the yes, it's almost a quite opposite because people think
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that we haven't made, so they just kind of leave
us alone and we end up lonely, you know what
I mean. So it's it's that type of thing. And
then but I'm like, oh, I wonder if people in
North Korea are eating today. I wonder what their life
is like. And I'm and I don't want There's so
much that the world has to offer, you know. I
remember in kindergarten or elementary school learning that our farmers
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make up three percent of the working world. But we
can see the world five times over, and we throw
away so much food. I'm like, why do we do that?
We could feed everybody. You know, It's just how my
my brain works. And so when I wrote the poem
called normal for nine to eleven, I thought about I
honed in on one person, not the whole tragedy, but
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the one person that would be waiting for one person
to come home, and the agony and the pain of
what that would feel like, and comparing it to the
worst possible outcome, like, don't be cheating on me, Like
if that's the worst thing that we think about in America,
somebody cheating, And we're always talking about somebody cheating, right,
somebody's cheating. Somebody cheating, So be cheating. Just don't be
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in that building, Like, please be somewhere else, right, Please
tell me that you were with your lover in New
Jersey or in Philly, or in New Haven or wherever
you know what I mean, or or wherever. Just don't
be in that building. And as she's describing, you know
what it could possibly be looked like, what it could
possibly be, and what it could possibly look like anything
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other than being smushed in a building that not only
has several floors up, but people forgot about the six
floors beneath the buildings that also held childcare.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
M right, well, and that that really wasn't mentioned that much.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
No, no, of course they wouldn't want you to remind
people about the daycare that was crushed.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And I guess what makes that, you know, the last
two minutes of the interview here so surprising. I think
that the general rule is that when you suffer a lot,
you seek relief, generally by seeing other people suffer. So
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all the trauma that you had as a child, the
standard expectation is that you would be somebody who would
be inflicting suffering for the rest of your life. And
you're very surprising and distinct answer is, and man, I
suffered a lot. I know what suffering is about. I
don't want that for.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Other people, right right.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think there's I think there's a for some there's
a higher empathy level, you know. I think I told
you the story about when I was in the hospital
and the woman who suffered from an elder woman who
suffer from a very similar disease, you know, through the tray,
and I asked her, why did you do that? And
she's like, well, because I want them to know what
it's like not being able to you know, you need
assistance to help eat, you know. And she goes and
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I wish, I wish that they that they could have
this in their life. And I'm like, no, I don't
want anybody to go through what we go through.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, It's like it's like, no way, not even
for a moment.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I don't care how angry I get, not even for
a moment, you know, because because there's something. You know,
my sister and I used to play a game when
you took me back when you were going like, well,
I wonder what jay Z is doing. I wonder what
these people are doing in India. My sister and I
we grew up one hundred and seventy ninth Street in
Washington Heights, and right across the street there was the
highway and at night we our bed faced the window
and we would wake up in the middle of the
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night and play this game with each other when we'd
look at the cars passing by in the highway and
we'd reimagine or imagine what their life was like.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You know, where's this family, where's this family going? You
know what?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know, are they experiencing trauma in their life, or
you know, do the sisters and brothers get along? Do
they have food? How can we get them food if
they don't have food? So totally, I totally get that
wanting people to be in a healing environment, a joyous environment,
a vibrant environment, you know, just or just an environment
of compassion and love and you know, and just healthiness.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Mm hmm. We used to when I was in Detroit
at cast Tech when I was a freshman in high school,
there was this Asian man, I don't know, the Asian descent,
and he would always put so in Michigan, we could
turn in cans and bottles, I think for ten cents
even back then, you know, ten cents or five cents maybe,
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And we always used to be like, oh, he's secretly rich,
Like would make up this story like he's not. He's
like collecting these cans for his children to go to
private school. Like, yeah, make up this whole story about it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, he's saying the killionaires, I said the killionaires.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah. I want to say something super important. Yes, I
don't want people to suffer, but I am human and
because I have suffered those traumatic things, I respond in
trauma sometimes when I have severe nervous system disruptions, and
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I want to make that very clear. I do not
want to anyone to think that I escape any that
I'm like all this perfect you know, poet person. No,
when I have severe trauma disruptions in my nervous system,
I am working on coping mechanisms to not ruin relationships
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that I have ruined my entire life.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, let me say that I appreciate that, and that's
not going to get in the way of what I
was going to say before. I mean, I think again
that honestly you have is you know, alarming and you
know enticing, But you know, our listeners sort of know
(09:06):
the Gold has had, you know, disability and lots of
pain and suffering throughout her life. And you know, for
wat she couldn't walk, she had re learned how to walk,
lots of stuff. And you had a goal, had the
physical trauma, you had the social trauma with the forced
to care system and whatnot. But I think that it
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would be fair to say that the event coming up
on the thirtieth, where you and Gold are going to
be at Hudson Valley Warnery could be called the Poets
and the Saints, because you both qualify in both counts
in spite of your confession about the trauma that works
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in your nervous system. So you know that that's an
editorial opinion, but I'm writing again, so.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
So for our listeners, if you're just tuning in once again,
you're listening to finding Out with Pete in the poet
gold and I'm the poet Golden. We're hear him in
a conversation with Queen Sheiba three times not three times
Grammy nominated spoken word artist, Ted talk speaker, and and
just you know, just an amazing, honest person telling her
story here. And we have an event coming up at
the City Winery called Poetry Versus Hip Hop on April thirtieth.
(10:23):
You want to get your tickets in advance. If the
night is going to be lit, it's going to be
filled with poets, it's going to be filled with hip
hop artists, and it's just going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
A grand, grand night.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know, Sheiba, I wanted to ask you about for
artists who are listening right, you're three time Grammy nominated artists.
You know, I know that there are a lot of
aspiring artists out there who you know who want to
get a Grammy nomination?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What was that journey like for you? Because you have
a definite, you know, career path. You've been in the
industry now for what twenty years or more? And Dud's
twenty four twenty four years, twenty four years.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, I started when I was three, right now.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I feel you on that. I definitely feel you on that.
So so what was that journey?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
What what is the the sort of like road to
the Grammy if you can, if you can give give
some of our listens a synopsis of that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, ironically, the Recording Academy did a short short documentary
on myself and too well, actually they did a six
part series with me and two other Grammy nominees this
year called Road to the Grammy. So you can goes
my YouTube page and check that out. But it doesn't
give the whole thing. But I will say that the
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Recording Academy, if you are a poet or musician and
you put out album after album a year after year,
please become a Recording Academy member. I can help you.
I cannot make you a Recording Academy member. So you
can DM me on ig, which is the queen Sheba
spell correctly because I'm black, dhe queen record queen and
(12:00):
Sheiba is sh Eba, So Doug Queen Sheba on ig.
And my only ask is that you follow me. That's
my only ask. So you follow me and I will
give you our committee chairs information and then he will
talk to you about how to become a Recording Academy member.
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And it is really simple. What you need to do
is have at least twelve credits. And that is different
for singers and hip hop artists and musicians than it
is for poets. You have to have twelve things published
quote unquote, and for poets it can be I don't
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want to because I know this is being recorded. I
don't want to speak like it's definite. But our published
is different than singers published because we show up on
Instagram and YouTube and Spotify and Apple Music and different
places that singers and hip hop artis and musicians wouldn't
necessarily get the same publishing credits we would. And we
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also show up in books and audio tapes and things
like that. So Maurice will guide you into what twelve
credits as a poet would look like. And if you
have twelve credits within the last five years and two
letters of recommendation from anybody, they do not have to
be from people in the recording Academy. But you know,
the more powerful a person, the better, of course. And
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then you save those and wait until March first of
next turn those into Maurice. Then your probability of becoming
a voting member will increase because we put you on
this spreadsheet and then he calls you and he walks
you through, and he will also tell you if you
don't qualify, and the things that you need to do
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to qualify. But if you DM me, I can kind of,
you know, give you that you know, a little bit
of guidance as well. And of course if you want
a consultation for me, then I can give you my
calendar and we can get that up.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It's good to know, you know, because it's there's so
many I'm surrounded by so many aspiring artists, you know,
in the valley that are always seeking out information like this,
you know, and and so thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Way easier than people think, and it's it's definitely worth doing, Queen.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
She but you know, one of the things that always
strikes me about writing. Writing is essentially an individual thing,
that's a lonely thing. And the jump between our writing
and fame or a kind of celebrity or uh so,
that's a big jump, and I think some people would
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have a hard time with that. My senses, you feel
comfortable on both sides of that equation, the isolation and
creativity of writing as well as the glory and responsibility
of fame.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, it's a soft skill, but you definitely have to practice.
You have to know that as soon as you step
out of your door wherever you live, that you may
be recorded or or photographed or whatever. And you have
to be comfortable with that, and you have to just
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be a kind person, you know what I mean, and
or at least practicing that, because it's not that that's
you know, going to spread as well. So you don't
you know, want to be caught in any you know
Kanye's situation, right right, I mean no pun intent. Sorry, Kanye,
I love you. I actually really do love Kanye, but
you know, he's always a you know, a central target.
(15:41):
But you know, you don't want to be caught in
anything that you don't want your grandchildren to be proud of.
And that's a really good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And there's also you know, when I say the responsibility
of fame, I really mean that, because when you're not famous,
you only had a lifetime of that. Not being famous
is when a famous person has kind to you and
notices you, you live through that. And there's a way
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in which if being famous is really a public treasure,
it's not a private one. And when celebrities hog the
attention for themselves, I think they missed their real calling,
which is to support will show the greatness of the ordinary,
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rather than hog the fame of the celebrity. So you know,
I think that I'm being a committed famous person is
a very important ministry.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Almost I think we're going to be saying the same thing.
What I believe about fame is that we should use
our superpowers for good and leave the world better than
we found it. And that does not mean that you
have to take on the whole world. You may take
on one mente and you know, uh, you know, walk
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that mente through your life and say, hey, this is
what I went through, This is you know what you
shouldn't do. You don't have to take on the whole world.
It's not the responsibility to take on the whole world,
but I do believe it is your responsibility to take
on to leave something behind, for.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Sure, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I've been to tell people, you know your block, you know,
you can take your block, but you can help if
your neighbors in need, you know, help your neighbor. You know,
that's leaving the world a little bit better than you
found it.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yes, And so I have a a virtual group that
we meet on group meet every Tuesday, and so I
drop a curriculum for free. You can join the group
meet for free if you are any sort of artist,
a visual artist, a poet, a hip hop artist. And
then is your responsibility to network with than the group
share what you're doing. The group me is absolutely one
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hundred percent free. It's called CODA Collective of the Open
Incredible Writers of the Industry something something, and I've been
doing it for since twenty eighteen. The only thing that
we ever commission for is consultations. So you join the
group for free. Anybody can you can jump in, jump
out and people have been in there for all six years.
(18:26):
And yeah, and we have meetups. I give away free
tickets to them. If I have grant information, they're the
first people that I give the grant information to. If
I have gig information, they're the first group. And my
group is small, it's less than twenty people. We only
go up to one hundred people a year. And then
I'm like, hey, it's the new year. If you want
to jump out, jump out. But we're starting again in January. First,
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some people say, some people go, and it's you know,
I found that it's better to build community on a
give as you can basis, and then when people want
to have a consultation, that's the only time because time
is the only thing that you can't get back. So
that's the only time that I ask for commission, right.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Right, right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So I'm sure our listeners would like to hear some
of your work, So would you mind sharing a poem
with us?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This is called I am detoxing from sugar in America.
Where are we? I am detaxing from sugar in America.
Two substances that melt on the tongue and rot the
soul from the inside out. I am detaxing from the rush,
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the crusted over sweetness of the land of the free
sold wholesale and plastic tubs right next to the discounted
hope and the aisle where two expires quietly under fluorescent lights.
I am detaxing from the artificial, the corn syrup, the
corn fields, the corn fed politicians who promise joy, promise change,
promise freedom, and then send us home with the same
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they drilled into our grandmothers. The year is twenty twenty six,
and America is still sprinkling powdered sugar over violence and
calling the recipe heritage. I am detoxing from delayed outrage.
Another headlined, blazed in tragedy, another body preserved in hashtags,
Another bill passed in the darkness while we were busy
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counting calories and casualties at the same time. I want out.
I want an island where the news is the sound
of the wind makes as it braids through the palm leaves,
where the only politics are the negotiations between ocean and sand,
where nobody is trying to ban books, bodily autonomy, or
the vocabulary required to describe oppression accurately. I want a
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beast that does not lie. Sugar never hides there, water,
never gas lights, sunlight, never asked me to smile. For comfort,
or shrink for the sake of someone else's convenience. I
want to eat real food, mangos that drip down my
foe arm grains ancient enough to remember who we were
before survival turned into a curriculum. I want to stretch
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my nervous system until it remembers how to choose peace
without permission. I want to journal with an actual pen,
ink bleeding slow on honest paper, like truth that finally
stopped running. I am detaxing from sugar and America. Both
have taught me to crave what harms me, to swallow
what angers me, to thank the hand that fed me
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poisoned because the poison was pretty and promised to keep
me awake. I am detoxing from the illusion that this
country will love me back just because I perform excellence.
I am detaxing from every flavor of almost justice, every
spoonful of bee patients, every bakery of broken systems wrapped
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in patriotic packaging. My body is sacred, my breath is
a ballot, my spirit is a petition signed by ancestors.
My rest it's a revolution I owe myself. I am
detaxing from sugar and America when I come back, and
I will come back. The sweetness will be real, the
freedom will be felt, and the only thing melting will
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be the old version of me sliding off my shoulders
like a burden I finally refuse to carry.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
There's a poem.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, realness, there's just so much Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's a poem and the performance is really deliver the poem.
The writing is terrific, and the delivery makes the writing real.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But it's also it's also affirming, you know, it's it's
my If I'm correct, you said My Breath is a ballad?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Absolutely, yes, My Breath.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Is about I mean, there's there's so much truth and
from from my perspective, there's so much truth in this
in this poem. You know, the comparison between sugar and
the detoxification of America for you, you know, both both
has taught me to crave what harms me. You know, no, no,
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no true line has has been spoken. I wish I
could talk to you, you know, or we're in our
second one. Yeah, okay, great. So So if you're just
tuning in, you're listening to finding out with the poet
gold and I'm the Poet Gold, and we're here once again.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
With Queen Sheba out of Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
She is a three time Grammy nominated spoken word poet
that's going to be visiting the Hudson Valley on April thirtieth.
It's City Winery. Get your ticket for poetry versus hip
hop celebrating Poetry Months. It'll be the last day, right,
is that?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
April thirty is the last day of April. Right, It's
going to be the last day for Poetry Month. And
you want to be in the room at City Winery
of the Hudson Valley on that day.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We were just talking and dissecting the.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Poem because you get both Queen Sheba and Poet Gold.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I keep, I keep forgetting to mention that. I'm sorry, folks, Yes.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I humble.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
She's half of it.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So you guys seen a forty five minute set with
a full ensevel. This is not just drum keys and bass.
He said, you got a warn section, the string section,
supporting singers. She got somebody coming down from the ribbons.
He's got a smoke machine.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't know, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's
gonna be dope. It's gonna be dope.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The Mavori family is gonna be with with with me,
Gwen Laster, Damon Banks, let me see who else.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
To Lasters from Detroit.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Also yes, Quinn, do you know Quinn, Gwen's green Lasters
from Detroit as well. Uh, she's she's yeah, yes, she's
from Detroit, you know. So it's gonna be a group
of wonderful people on on stage with me.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
She's a yes violinist, which is.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yes, yes, yes, she is, Damon Banks on bass, and
we have uh, the mavor family on on vocals and
Angel Lau on drums.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And we have Bold Gold on the action.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So you.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Performance. Gold might forget to promote herself, but she doesn't
forget where she is when your performs.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
No, no, no, you know once once once, once we
get the band and the stage and the mic go
and then it's on.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I saw the clips. I am so excited about this energy.
And actually God must want to meet because two different
people from two walks, two different walks of Earth that
introduced us.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So that's amazing, yes, yes, and and it was it
was just really really odd for me to wake up
and then find these two emails, you know, and go, wow, okay,
this is the divine.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Till the audience in on some of the details on that.
That's a story.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, you know, we were both interviewed by a woman
by the name of Cyrus out in La and Or.
Cyrus called me up and said, you know, there's someone
I want you to meet.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know, this dope poet.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I just feel like your energies are aligned and you
have to meet, so I'll make the introductions. So she
sent down an email and in the interim broke my
arms didn't respond to the initial email, and then went
to respond to the initial email, and I did. To
your management team, Beatrice, a very nice woman, sent her email,
sent you the email. And then that same morning, right
(26:12):
I got an email from the booking team at City
Winery saying there's a woman that's booked the spoken word
artists and we think you two should be I mean,
you know, it's just like you know, opposite coasts, they
don't know each other, and so it's like, no, this
is supposed to happen.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
And believe me, I'm gread, I'm you know, on the
sidelines watching this introduction, which I have prophesized is going
to have I have great expectations for it and we're
running out of some we only have like three and
a half minutes left. But when you the thing is
build is hip hop posy versus hip hop. And I'm
(26:52):
never sure which is wish you know, I sort of
I know that hip hop.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Poetry is the mother of all.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Things all yes, and hip hop is is the.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Son of poetry. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Okay, thank thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
That's me talking a little men. But I mean poetry
came first.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, But people who go to the show that night
on April thirtieth at the Hudson Valley Wannery, they'll get
a real dose of both poetry and hip hop and okay.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And they get to and they get to decide to
win it. They get to decide who goes home. It's
all up to the audience. Yep, it's all up to
the audience. And you all keep saying the last day,
this is the culminating day. Yes, and we are in
Hudson Valley. We don't have a sold out so no doubt.
(27:53):
So I mean, listen, you guys, it's not even April yet.
I know, April tomorrow, but we're already so and I
can't lie because you can always go to the Husband
Valley City wanting page and see for yourself. Anything that
is gray circle means it's already purchased. So go ahead
and look for yourself, and don't wait too long. Get
those tickets.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And we also want to say on the hip hop
poetry a fellow both gold on you very well. On
Tree Aroonon from the Bronx. He was in on the
beginnings of hip hop, although he claims to be sort
of the originator of it, a big charismatic but when
you said the son of poetry, Tree Errington, onefa local
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powerhouses here was died a few years ago. He was
in on the thing and he would love.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
To be oh oh, he would be in the house definitely.
So come on out, folks, poetry versus hip hop. I
am going to be in the house Cuts and Valley's
very own poet.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Gold right, all right, I'll own that.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
And we're gonna have Malie Usef, We're going to have
Queen Sheiba, and we're going to have local poets from
the Hudson Valley, local hip hop artists from the Hudson
Valley be in the House of City Winery of the
Hudson Valley on April thirtieth for this culminating event for
the Poetry Versus Hip Hop Tour Gold That was good writing.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's spoken word promotion, which I'm more comfortable with than
other people. I'm self promotion is important, and I think
one of the things that great artists and even great
human service people do very often they forget how much
the rest of us really need their work to be
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promoted by themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean, if you don't tell people, who's going to tell.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Right right right? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And you know some human service people, real great people
sit around waiting to be discovered. Man, make it easier
to be discovered. In the April thirtieth, what's and value
going to discover the difference between poetry and hip hop
for real?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Thank you to our listeners, Queen, thank you so much
for being here on our show at finding Out with
Peting the Poet Go.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Appreciate you all.
The views and opinions expressed in the following programmer those
of the speaker and don't necessarily represent those of the station.
It's staff management or ownership.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good morning, you'll find me out with Pete and the
Pope Cold. I'm Peter Lennon and I'm the Poet Goal
and we're on the air with Queen Sheba, who's coming
to the Hudson Valley on April thirtieth. And we're going
to know a great deal about Queen Sheba. But first
we're going to go to Poet Coal for a weekly
poem prayer incantation. Gol please let it roll.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm going to do hit and Run and hypno therapy.
Take a potato chip bag and crumple it, crushing all
the chips inside. When I was younger, I used to
do it all the time. When a human bone is crushed,
it sounds the same. The van left me on a
black tar of Manhattan Street. I left the van buried
in the sand on the beach. Hit and run, Hypno therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That hit and we're running that one. You know, we
did this second show with Queen Sheba. Then people can
go back to the podcast to what happened the first
time they missed it. But you know, one of the things,
a queen, when you were talking about your childhood in
your early adult life, you know, it was certainly you know,
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anybody was there trauma. It's certainly fascinating and compelling it all.
But my sense was, you know, just reading about you.
You in two thousand and one, when we had nine
to eleven, when the attack on the World Trade Census,
you wrote a poem that became famous and people really
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got some subtidence from that. And I guess what I'm
curious about is how you having this traumatic American life,
how that could serve as a basis for you to
give comfort to people when America gets attacked.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Oh well, that's an amazing question. I don't think that's
ever been asked that before, right, because I don't want
people to suffer. I know what suffering feels like. And
I am weird, weirdly the type of person. I don't
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know if weirdly was putting the right place there. I
don't know if my double commas were in the right place.
I don't know if I'm weirdly the type of person,
or if I'm the type of person who weirdly will
sit here in Atlanta where nothing's happening and think, I
wonder if what's happening in India right now. I wonder
if they're eating, like during the holidays. I'm like, I
wonder what jay Z is doing and not that like
(02:40):
I want to join jay Z for dinner, but I'm like,
I wonder if he's happy. You know, I don't know.
It's just I just think these things and I don't
know because I don't want people to suffer at all.
And I and people think that celebrities don't suffer, they
just have it made. It's not the case. It's almost
the yes, it's almost a quite opposite because people think
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that we haven't made, so they just kind of leave
us alone and we end up lonely, you know what
I mean. So it's it's that type of thing. And
then but I'm like, oh, I wonder if people in
North Korea are eating today. I wonder what their life
is like. And I'm and I don't want There's so
much that the world has to offer, you know. I
remember in kindergarten or elementary school learning that our farmers
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make up three percent of the working world. But we
can see the world five times over, and we throw
away so much food. I'm like, why do we do that?
We could feed everybody. You know, It's just how my
my brain works. And so when I wrote the poem
called normal for nine to eleven, I thought about I
honed in on one person, not the whole tragedy, but
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the one person that would be waiting for one person
to come home, and the agony and the pain of
what that would feel like, and comparing it to the
worst possible outcome, like, don't be cheating on me, Like
if that's the worst thing that we think about in America,
somebody cheating, And we're always talking about somebody cheating, right,
somebody's cheating. Somebody cheating, So be cheating. Just don't be
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in that building, Like, please be somewhere else, right, Please
tell me that you were with your lover in New
Jersey or in Philly, or in New Haven or wherever
you know what I mean, or or wherever. Just don't
be in that building. And as she's describing, you know
what it could possibly be looked like, what it could
possibly be, and what it could possibly look like anything
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other than being smushed in a building that not only
has several floors up, but people forgot about the six
floors beneath the buildings that also held childcare.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
M right, well, and that that really wasn't mentioned that much.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
No, no, of course they wouldn't want you to remind
people about the daycare that was crushed.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And I guess what makes that, you know, the last
two minutes of the interview here so surprising. I think
that the general rule is that when you suffer a lot,
you seek relief, generally by seeing other people suffer. So
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all the trauma that you had as a child, the
standard expectation is that you would be somebody who would
be inflicting suffering for the rest of your life. And
you're very surprising and distinct answer is, and man, I
suffered a lot. I know what suffering is about. I
don't want that for.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Other people, right right.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think there's I think there's a for some there's
a higher empathy level, you know. I think I told
you the story about when I was in the hospital
and the woman who suffered from an elder woman who
suffer from a very similar disease, you know, through the tray,
and I asked her, why did you do that? And
she's like, well, because I want them to know what
it's like not being able to you know, you need
assistance to help eat, you know. And she goes and
(06:13):
I wish, I wish that they that they could have
this in their life. And I'm like, no, I don't
want anybody to go through what we go through.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, It's like it's like, no way, not even
for a moment.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I don't care how angry I get, not even for
a moment, you know, because because there's something. You know,
my sister and I used to play a game when
you took me back when you were going like, well,
I wonder what jay Z is doing. I wonder what
these people are doing in India. My sister and I
we grew up one hundred and seventy ninth Street in
Washington Heights, and right across the street there was the
highway and at night we our bed faced the window
and we would wake up in the middle of the
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night and play this game with each other when we'd
look at the cars passing by in the highway and
we'd reimagine or imagine what their life was like.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You know, where's this family, where's this family going? You
know what?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know, are they experiencing trauma in their life, or
you know, do the sisters and brothers get along? Do
they have food? How can we get them food if
they don't have food? So totally, I totally get that
wanting people to be in a healing environment, a joyous environment,
a vibrant environment, you know, just or just an environment
of compassion and love and you know, and just healthiness.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Mm hmm. We used to when I was in Detroit
at cast Tech when I was a freshman in high school,
there was this Asian man, I don't know, the Asian descent,
and he would always put so in Michigan, we could
turn in cans and bottles, I think for ten cents
even back then, you know, ten cents or five cents maybe,
(07:38):
And we always used to be like, oh, he's secretly rich,
Like would make up this story like he's not. He's
like collecting these cans for his children to go to
private school. Like, yeah, make up this whole story about it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, he's saying the killionaires, I said the killionaires.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah. I want to say something super important. Yes, I
don't want people to suffer, but I am human and
because I have suffered those traumatic things, I respond in
trauma sometimes when I have severe nervous system disruptions, and
(08:19):
I want to make that very clear. I do not
want to anyone to think that I escape any that
I'm like all this perfect you know, poet person. No,
when I have severe trauma disruptions in my nervous system,
I am working on coping mechanisms to not ruin relationships
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that I have ruined my entire life.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, let me say that I appreciate that, and that's
not going to get in the way of what I
was going to say before. I mean, I think again
that honestly you have is you know, alarming and you
know enticing, But you know, our listeners sort of know
(09:06):
the Gold has had, you know, disability and lots of
pain and suffering throughout her life. And you know, for
wat she couldn't walk, she had re learned how to walk,
lots of stuff. And you had a goal, had the
physical trauma, you had the social trauma with the forced
to care system and whatnot. But I think that it
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would be fair to say that the event coming up
on the thirtieth, where you and Gold are going to
be at Hudson Valley Warnery could be called the Poets
and the Saints, because you both qualify in both counts
in spite of your confession about the trauma that works
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in your nervous system. So you know that that's an
editorial opinion, but I'm writing again, so.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
So for our listeners, if you're just tuning in once again,
you're listening to finding Out with Pete in the poet
gold and I'm the poet Golden. We're hear him in
a conversation with Queen Sheiba three times not three times
Grammy nominated spoken word artist, Ted talk speaker, and and
just you know, just an amazing, honest person telling her
story here. And we have an event coming up at
the City Winery called Poetry Versus Hip Hop on April thirtieth.
(10:23):
You want to get your tickets in advance. If the
night is going to be lit, it's going to be
filled with poets, it's going to be filled with hip
hop artists, and it's just going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
A grand, grand night.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know, Sheiba, I wanted to ask you about for
artists who are listening right, you're three time Grammy nominated artists.
You know, I know that there are a lot of
aspiring artists out there who you know who want to
get a Grammy nomination?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What was that journey like for you? Because you have
a definite, you know, career path. You've been in the
industry now for what twenty years or more? And Dud's
twenty four twenty four years, twenty four years.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, I started when I was three, right now.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I feel you on that. I definitely feel you on that.
So so what was that journey?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
What what is the the sort of like road to
the Grammy if you can, if you can give give
some of our listens a synopsis of that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, ironically, the Recording Academy did a short short documentary
on myself and too well, actually they did a six
part series with me and two other Grammy nominees this
year called Road to the Grammy. So you can goes
my YouTube page and check that out. But it doesn't
give the whole thing. But I will say that the
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Recording Academy, if you are a poet or musician and
you put out album after album a year after year,
please become a Recording Academy member. I can help you.
I cannot make you a Recording Academy member. So you
can DM me on ig, which is the queen Sheba
spell correctly because I'm black, dhe queen record queen and
(12:00):
Sheiba is sh Eba, So Doug Queen Sheba on ig.
And my only ask is that you follow me. That's
my only ask. So you follow me and I will
give you our committee chairs information and then he will
talk to you about how to become a Recording Academy member.
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And it is really simple. What you need to do
is have at least twelve credits. And that is different
for singers and hip hop artists and musicians than it
is for poets. You have to have twelve things published
quote unquote, and for poets it can be I don't
(12:42):
want to because I know this is being recorded. I
don't want to speak like it's definite. But our published
is different than singers published because we show up on
Instagram and YouTube and Spotify and Apple Music and different
places that singers and hip hop artis and musicians wouldn't
necessarily get the same publishing credits we would. And we
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also show up in books and audio tapes and things
like that. So Maurice will guide you into what twelve
credits as a poet would look like. And if you
have twelve credits within the last five years and two
letters of recommendation from anybody, they do not have to
be from people in the recording Academy. But you know,
the more powerful a person, the better, of course. And
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then you save those and wait until March first of
next turn those into Maurice. Then your probability of becoming
a voting member will increase because we put you on
this spreadsheet and then he calls you and he walks
you through, and he will also tell you if you
don't qualify, and the things that you need to do
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to qualify. But if you DM me, I can kind of,
you know, give you that you know, a little bit
of guidance as well. And of course if you want
a consultation for me, then I can give you my
calendar and we can get that up.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It's good to know, you know, because it's there's so
many I'm surrounded by so many aspiring artists, you know,
in the valley that are always seeking out information like this,
you know, and and so thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Way easier than people think, and it's it's definitely worth doing, Queen.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
She but you know, one of the things that always
strikes me about writing. Writing is essentially an individual thing,
that's a lonely thing. And the jump between our writing
and fame or a kind of celebrity or uh so,
that's a big jump, and I think some people would
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have a hard time with that. My senses, you feel
comfortable on both sides of that equation, the isolation and
creativity of writing as well as the glory and responsibility
of fame.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, it's a soft skill, but you definitely have to practice.
You have to know that as soon as you step
out of your door wherever you live, that you may
be recorded or or photographed or whatever. And you have
to be comfortable with that, and you have to just
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be a kind person, you know what I mean, and
or at least practicing that, because it's not that that's
you know, going to spread as well. So you don't
you know, want to be caught in any you know
Kanye's situation, right right, I mean no pun intent. Sorry, Kanye,
I love you. I actually really do love Kanye, but
you know, he's always a you know, a central target.
(15:41):
But you know, you don't want to be caught in
anything that you don't want your grandchildren to be proud of.
And that's a really good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And there's also you know, when I say the responsibility
of fame, I really mean that, because when you're not famous,
you only had a lifetime of that. Not being famous
is when a famous person has kind to you and
notices you, you live through that. And there's a way
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in which if being famous is really a public treasure,
it's not a private one. And when celebrities hog the
attention for themselves, I think they missed their real calling,
which is to support will show the greatness of the ordinary,
(16:33):
rather than hog the fame of the celebrity. So you know,
I think that I'm being a committed famous person is
a very important ministry.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Almost I think we're going to be saying the same thing.
What I believe about fame is that we should use
our superpowers for good and leave the world better than
we found it. And that does not mean that you
have to take on the whole world. You may take
on one mente and you know, uh, you know, walk
(17:12):
that mente through your life and say, hey, this is
what I went through, This is you know what you
shouldn't do. You don't have to take on the whole world.
It's not the responsibility to take on the whole world,
but I do believe it is your responsibility to take
on to leave something behind, for.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Sure, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I've been to tell people, you know your block, you know,
you can take your block, but you can help if
your neighbors in need, you know, help your neighbor. You know,
that's leaving the world a little bit better than you
found it.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yes, And so I have a a virtual group that
we meet on group meet every Tuesday, and so I
drop a curriculum for free. You can join the group
meet for free if you are any sort of artist,
a visual artist, a poet, a hip hop artist. And
then is your responsibility to network with than the group
share what you're doing. The group me is absolutely one
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hundred percent free. It's called CODA Collective of the Open
Incredible Writers of the Industry something something, and I've been
doing it for since twenty eighteen. The only thing that
we ever commission for is consultations. So you join the
group for free. Anybody can you can jump in, jump
out and people have been in there for all six years.
(18:26):
And yeah, and we have meetups. I give away free
tickets to them. If I have grant information, they're the
first people that I give the grant information to. If
I have gig information, they're the first group. And my
group is small, it's less than twenty people. We only
go up to one hundred people a year. And then
I'm like, hey, it's the new year. If you want
to jump out, jump out. But we're starting again in January. First,
(18:48):
some people say, some people go, and it's you know,
I found that it's better to build community on a
give as you can basis, and then when people want
to have a consultation, that's the only time because time
is the only thing that you can't get back. So
that's the only time that I ask for commission, right.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Right, right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So I'm sure our listeners would like to hear some
of your work, So would you mind sharing a poem
with us?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This is called I am detoxing from sugar in America.
Where are we? I am detaxing from sugar in America.
Two substances that melt on the tongue and rot the
soul from the inside out. I am detaxing from the rush,
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the crusted over sweetness of the land of the free
sold wholesale and plastic tubs right next to the discounted
hope and the aisle where two expires quietly under fluorescent lights.
I am detaxing from the artificial, the corn syrup, the
corn fields, the corn fed politicians who promise joy, promise change,
promise freedom, and then send us home with the same
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they drilled into our grandmothers. The year is twenty twenty six,
and America is still sprinkling powdered sugar over violence and
calling the recipe heritage. I am detoxing from delayed outrage.
Another headlined, blazed in tragedy, another body preserved in hashtags,
Another bill passed in the darkness while we were busy
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counting calories and casualties at the same time. I want out.
I want an island where the news is the sound
of the wind makes as it braids through the palm leaves,
where the only politics are the negotiations between ocean and sand,
where nobody is trying to ban books, bodily autonomy, or
the vocabulary required to describe oppression accurately. I want a
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beast that does not lie. Sugar never hides there, water,
never gas lights, sunlight, never asked me to smile. For comfort,
or shrink for the sake of someone else's convenience. I
want to eat real food, mangos that drip down my
foe arm grains ancient enough to remember who we were
before survival turned into a curriculum. I want to stretch
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my nervous system until it remembers how to choose peace
without permission. I want to journal with an actual pen,
ink bleeding slow on honest paper, like truth that finally
stopped running. I am detaxing from sugar and America. Both
have taught me to crave what harms me, to swallow
what angers me, to thank the hand that fed me
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poisoned because the poison was pretty and promised to keep
me awake. I am detoxing from the illusion that this
country will love me back just because I perform excellence.
I am detaxing from every flavor of almost justice, every
spoonful of bee patients, every bakery of broken systems wrapped
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in patriotic packaging. My body is sacred, my breath is
a ballot, my spirit is a petition signed by ancestors.
My rest it's a revolution I owe myself. I am
detaxing from sugar and America when I come back, and
I will come back. The sweetness will be real, the
freedom will be felt, and the only thing melting will
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be the old version of me sliding off my shoulders
like a burden I finally refuse to carry.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
There's a poem.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, realness, there's just so much Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's a poem and the performance is really deliver the poem.
The writing is terrific, and the delivery makes the writing real.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But it's also it's also affirming, you know, it's it's
my If I'm correct, you said My Breath is a ballad?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Absolutely, yes, My Breath.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Is about I mean, there's there's so much truth and
from from my perspective, there's so much truth in this
in this poem. You know, the comparison between sugar and
the detoxification of America for you, you know, both both
has taught me to crave what harms me. You know, no, no,
(23:10):
no true line has has been spoken. I wish I
could talk to you, you know, or we're in our
second one. Yeah, okay, great. So So if you're just
tuning in, you're listening to finding out with the poet
gold and I'm the Poet Gold, and we're here once again.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
With Queen Sheba out of Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
She is a three time Grammy nominated spoken word poet
that's going to be visiting the Hudson Valley on April thirtieth.
It's City Winery. Get your ticket for poetry versus hip
hop celebrating Poetry Months. It'll be the last day, right,
is that?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
April thirty is the last day of April. Right, It's
going to be the last day for Poetry Month. And
you want to be in the room at City Winery
of the Hudson Valley on that day.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We were just talking and dissecting the.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Poem because you get both Queen Sheba and Poet Gold.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I keep, I keep forgetting to mention that. I'm sorry, folks, Yes.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I humble.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
She's half of it.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So you guys seen a forty five minute set with
a full ensevel. This is not just drum keys and bass.
He said, you got a warn section, the string section,
supporting singers. She got somebody coming down from the ribbons.
He's got a smoke machine.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't know, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's
gonna be dope. It's gonna be dope.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The Mavori family is gonna be with with with me,
Gwen Laster, Damon Banks, let me see who else.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
To Lasters from Detroit.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Also yes, Quinn, do you know Quinn, Gwen's green Lasters
from Detroit as well. Uh, she's she's yeah, yes, she's
from Detroit, you know. So it's gonna be a group
of wonderful people on on stage with me.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
She's a yes violinist, which is.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yes, yes, yes, she is, Damon Banks on bass, and
we have uh, the mavor family on on vocals and
Angel Lau on drums.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And we have Bold Gold on the action.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So you.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Performance. Gold might forget to promote herself, but she doesn't
forget where she is when your performs.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
No, no, no, you know once once once, once we
get the band and the stage and the mic go
and then it's on.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I saw the clips. I am so excited about this energy.
And actually God must want to meet because two different
people from two walks, two different walks of Earth that
introduced us.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So that's amazing, yes, yes, and and it was it
was just really really odd for me to wake up
and then find these two emails, you know, and go, wow, okay,
this is the divine.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Till the audience in on some of the details on that.
That's a story.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, you know, we were both interviewed by a woman
by the name of Cyrus out in La and Or.
Cyrus called me up and said, you know, there's someone
I want you to meet.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know, this dope poet.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I just feel like your energies are aligned and you
have to meet, so I'll make the introductions. So she
sent down an email and in the interim broke my
arms didn't respond to the initial email, and then went
to respond to the initial email, and I did. To
your management team, Beatrice, a very nice woman, sent her email,
sent you the email. And then that same morning, right
(26:12):
I got an email from the booking team at City
Winery saying there's a woman that's booked the spoken word
artists and we think you two should be I mean,
you know, it's just like you know, opposite coasts, they
don't know each other, and so it's like, no, this
is supposed to happen.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
And believe me, I'm gread, I'm you know, on the
sidelines watching this introduction, which I have prophesized is going
to have I have great expectations for it and we're
running out of some we only have like three and
a half minutes left. But when you the thing is
build is hip hop posy versus hip hop. And I'm
(26:52):
never sure which is wish you know, I sort of
I know that hip hop.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Poetry is the mother of all.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Things all yes, and hip hop is is the.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Son of poetry. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Okay, thank thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
That's me talking a little men. But I mean poetry
came first.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, But people who go to the show that night
on April thirtieth at the Hudson Valley Wannery, they'll get
a real dose of both poetry and hip hop and okay.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And they get to and they get to decide to
win it. They get to decide who goes home. It's
all up to the audience. Yep, it's all up to
the audience. And you all keep saying the last day,
this is the culminating day. Yes, and we are in
Hudson Valley. We don't have a sold out so no doubt.
(27:53):
So I mean, listen, you guys, it's not even April yet.
I know, April tomorrow, but we're already so and I
can't lie because you can always go to the Husband
Valley City wanting page and see for yourself. Anything that
is gray circle means it's already purchased. So go ahead
and look for yourself, and don't wait too long. Get
those tickets.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And we also want to say on the hip hop
poetry a fellow both gold on you very well. On
Tree Aroonon from the Bronx. He was in on the
beginnings of hip hop, although he claims to be sort
of the originator of it, a big charismatic but when
you said the son of poetry, Tree Errington, onefa local
(28:38):
powerhouses here was died a few years ago. He was
in on the thing and he would love.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
To be oh oh, he would be in the house definitely.
So come on out, folks, poetry versus hip hop. I
am going to be in the house Cuts and Valley's
very own poet.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Gold right, all right, I'll own that.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
And we're gonna have Malie Usef, We're going to have
Queen Sheiba, and we're going to have local poets from
the Hudson Valley, local hip hop artists from the Hudson
Valley be in the House of City Winery of the
Hudson Valley on April thirtieth for this culminating event for
the Poetry Versus Hip Hop Tour Gold That was good writing.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's spoken word promotion, which I'm more comfortable with than
other people. I'm self promotion is important, and I think
one of the things that great artists and even great
human service people do very often they forget how much
the rest of us really need their work to be
(29:41):
promoted by themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean, if you don't tell people, who's going to tell.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Right right right? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And you know some human service people, real great people
sit around waiting to be discovered. Man, make it easier
to be discovered. In the April thirtieth, what's and value
going to discover the difference between poetry and hip hop
for real?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Thank you to our listeners, Queen, thank you so much
for being here on our show at finding Out with
Peting the Poet Go.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Appreciate you all.
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