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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, I'll find you out with Peteing the poet Cold.
I'm Peter Leanna and I'm the poet Gold, and we're
on the air this morning together and Uncle Mike Hanson
joining us again. An extra thanks to Mike. But before
we go to the three of us in all of
our fascinating opinions, we're going to go to the poet
Cold for her, we keep poem prayer, incantation Cold. Please
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let it roll.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, Peter, I think we're all three together longing for springs.
So I'm going to do a poem called Spring out
of my new book, be the poem Living Beyond Our Fears.
So this is spring. It's dawn. I sit at the
window watching the buds on the trees, waiting in anticipation leafing.
Somehow I always miss it, and suddenly the leaves appear.
I love this little spring game. Maybe I'll catch them
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next year.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Amen to that, And we're all looking to spring. We're
looking forward in this show. We're looking forward to the
month of Ferrue, which is black his three month and
even beyond that, March is Women's his three months, absolutely
month where we have a very special celebration here at iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, happening on March third here on March thirty, celebrating
the leaders of Dutchess County Public Gold Knows Women Lead Duchess.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's right, that's the name of the event. And we
bring in, you know, thirty five to forty leaders in
Dutchess County and have a know, what you would call almost.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
A luncheon, a celebration of who they are as women.
You know, oftentimes these women sit you know, in the
executive position and it's a lot of work. It's sometimes
very stressful, and I think it gives them an opportunity.
I think the event gives them an opportunity to decompress,
you know, to come in and bond with each other
and share stories and find out that they're more alike
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than different and understanding the common ground. And then how
do we move forward together specifically for our community in
Dutchess County collectively, even even if we differ, you know,
on on certain levels of how do we come to
the table and have a conversation so that I think everyone,
all the women have good intentions.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes. And one of the things the name of the
events is Pope goal note and does she ever know,
you know, the women made Duchess. And one of the
things that I think it's just true, factually true. The
Judges County has I think the most in New York State,
the most women leaders of any county in the state. Ore.
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You know, Cucerino is our county executive. The mayor of
the City of Poughkeepsie a woman, and then Rebecca Edwards
is the Town of Poughkeepsie supervisor. The head of the
Dutchess County Legislature is a woman. And so we uh,
and that's just on the political side. On the human
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service side, you know, we have loads of women, uh,
you know from Leah Felman and family Services, were you know,
the very prominent pastor Christ Church.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Susan heard that she's leaving. Will she be leaving before
the event? I'm trying to remember, but she's around. We
have to.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
She but she's uh, you know, dynamite and lots of
women leaders. Uh. Such this outreach we have uh this
mu c o U A fought so we have a lot.
So factually, women lead judgess and iheart's the only place
to celebrates that fact in an appropriate way by bringing
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the women together.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And right here at the station.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
In this station, right room there. Well, you said it's
a lunch, and it's more like a you know, my
experience of it, it's more like a spiritual comings together
than it is. You know, free Mexican food.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know, you know, you know I'm willing to insert
the food. Me being a foodie is so I'm always
going to high like the food.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
First of all, the poem that Gold did last Sunday,
we got a foot and a half of snow and
while you're listening to this show on Sunday morning, I
think it's going to be snowing again.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, that's all was very appropriated. Let's help spring is
around the great accent.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
We don't have any room from anymore. But the thing
that fascinated me with the with the event, this will
be the third one we do, and both times I
was equally fascinated is you have thirty or thirty five
of the leaders, the women leaders here in Dutchess County
in the room together. First of all, I don't think
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they get that a lot. I don't think they're together
a lot because of the nature of what they do.
And the other problem is there's already so much pressure
on women that are leaders. Let's face it, it's still
a man's world. It's probably going to be a man's world,
will be long going if it every shit goes the
other way. But these are women who are getting it
done in a most dramatic way, you know, over over
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exceeding men's abilities, I think. But not only are they
doing that, they're in a room together and they're sharing
their they're they're bearing their souls in this room with
things that I'm sure a lot of them that are
in the room together that may know each other professionally,
had no idea about. And all of a sudden, when
we had you know, one would say something about a
personal event that happened that was devastating, and there'd be
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three others right after, well, that happened to me too,
and I'm glad that you brought that up, and this
is how I handle it. And all of a sudden,
you know, Poet is up there trying to run the
program because we have a limited amount of time and
we're going and we got to let it roll because
these things are just you don't expect this, and I
say it all the time. If that was a group
of men, all you would hear is a poet talking,
because the men would not say, they would not bear
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their souls and half of them. You know, you made
the point Peter, that nobody leaves. They stay to two
hours plus because it's such a fascinating conversation. The men
would have been nine or fifty. I got to go.
I got a meeting to go to, and it would
have been out the door.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That's just reality, right right right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And men like to pretend we have we like to yes,
but I have a more important place to go.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And just being with you, I think that two men's credit.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I think that I could probably get a group of
men to open up.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I'd love to see that, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I think I can get to open up as fast goal.
No it may not be a fast but but we
probably need that extra hour that I always build in,
you know, because it's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The sensal, you know, just you moderating and not only
moderating the thing, but actually leading the event. Yeah, you
do some of your poetry, but you also opening up
for not only discussion, but for actually coming together. What's
your how do you prepare for that? Or what do
you what's your perspective on that?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, my idea is to let the room lead, you know,
more or less, to to ask socratic type questions that
open up the space for versus direct questions like a
yes or no. So so it prompts the discussion. Last
year we did uh, I did a workshop on joy
and fear. You know, what's the impact? What what is
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joy for you? And and uh and how does how
does fear impact your daily your daily life and in
the workspace, I think I'm probably going to continue that.
You know, we'll have a for the most part a
different group of women. And so I think that it's
that it's an important topic, particularly today, uh, for for
people to to be aware of how do you bring
joy into the space in the space of tension and diversity?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Uh And and how do you handle your fears?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And and so when you when you go down that
that lane, and people have a tendency once you give
them the safe space to open up, I find that
people will open up.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I guess see aart of it is the mystery of it.
How do you make a room without forty people are
basically professionals. How do you make them feel safe?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Right? Well, it's collaboration. You know, it's not a solo show.
You know, the women are set up in groups so
that there's team building, this collaboration going on. So at
some point you know that you have a limited amount
of time and you surrender to the process.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I don't think that what I've noticed, and everybody, I
guess a certain extent has an ego. You have to
have some sense of worth. But with women, I don't
notice the egos fighting with each other. The egos seem
to be left at the door and women are there.
And especially now the third year, if you have a
couple of the women who have been to all of them,
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they're looking forward to this because it's the two hours
where they can This is the sexist thing to say.
They can let their hair down and they can let
it go and they're not worried about anybody taking it
out of that room. You've never had a situation.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Where anything left that room right right, that was.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Said, We put it. It was on the air of
some of it was said, but no women were talking
about each other. Guys, would you know They're looking for
an advantage anywhere they can get that guy. You know
that guy. I saw that guy cry he's weak. So
you know, that's the kind of thing that would have
went on, right, But I'm just fascinated.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
The other part of this that I think but we
miss a little bit is if there's thirty five women
in the room, a lot of them are leaders. They
have power positions of power that they have. But some
of the women in that room are not the actual
leaders of their organizations, but they they do lead the organization.
Some of them have men that are leading the organization
that these women are doing all the work for and
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the guys are taking the credit for. I know there's
a few of them that fit into that category, and
this is the first time they get a chance to
really have a voice with other leaders around them that
they probably can't in the boardrooms. They don't get to talk. Probably,
I'm sure it's still that old, right.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I think that one year one of the executives brought
up the fact that that when they are in that space,
you know, in the boardroom, they initially we're trying to
adapt to the men in in the space versus you know,
bringing the the intuition that that that women generally have,
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you know, that that unique intuition that that we can
bring to the table and responding on that. And so
it's finding that balance of you know, how do I
bring my gifts and and the things that are organically
me without feeling ashamed of them. If you're just tuning in,
you're listening to finding out with Pete and the Poet Gold.
I'm Peter Leon and we're here today. Did I say,
(10:32):
I'm Poet Gold and we're here today talking about the
upcoming months? We have Black History Month coming up, and
we also have Women's History Month, and we talked we're
talking about Poet Gold Knows Women Lead Duchess Annual, the
third annual that tried the third annual with our collaborative
partner here at I Heeart.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
One of the most profound things I learned, sew what happened,
and like I said, when they have the luncheon, I'm
out of the room. Uh. You know, Mike has soche
a good presence. He's in the room with the microphone
doing sound and nobody minds it does not in Sofia,
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And that's a special gift. But one of the women.
Mike was Sandy Ludlum, who's who prominent a family Services.
She's on the board there, She's on the board at
New Horizons Resources also, But she was, you know, people
talking about this equilibrium between male power and female power,
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and she, like Mike was bringing up. She said, and
you also have to think of the ways you played
into the old power structure, and which is a very
personal thing. And everybody knew what she was talking about,
and people were able to share it and how they
sort of overcame that position of not only being dominated,
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but going along with the domination. And I thought that
was profound.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I have a question for you, you know, speak of
black history and women's history and just the different recognitions
of the history months. Do you do you feel that
this is important to have, so to speak, on our calendars,
of all of the history months that acknowledge different categories
and the diversity that we have here in the United States.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, I do. I think in a lot of it
should be more than just a month. I mean, we
should be talking about this all year long. A lot
of these things. There's a lot of you know, every
month has something pinned to it. Now it's Blueberry pancakes.
But I think some of these issues that are so important,
you know, you know, you know how I feel about
military and veterans. Veterans get one day a year and
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they get veterans down. They're out there risking their lives
all year long, and they can recognize one day. You're
women the same way.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Well, now there's a Women's History Month, which is relatively new.
Why we haven't always celebrated Women's History Month, it's right,
not the way we celebrate it now anyway. Now it's
all the networks have picked up on it and it's
showcased for the month. But again, the women are doing
it all year long, not just doing it one month. Right,
I think it's very important. I think we should have
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maybe more than any get into. If you do try
to do more than one thing in a month, you're
taking away from the other, you know what I mean.
So there's only twelve months in a year, and there's
more than twelve things that should be celebrated, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But you're the goal is not to be able to
segregate one month or for women one month, or for
Black History Month. But because the structures, certainly from my
growing up and still in force today. You know, women
are still marginalized, Black people are still marginalized, and having
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a month celebrating the contributions they've made both as exemplary
individuals but also a civic leaders. It's appropriate because.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It's just start.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's just start. Yeah, it's not the idea heal, but
it's a start, and a start is better than absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
No your question go. I think it's very important. I'm
happy that we do this event for Dutchess County here
and to Peter's point, I think there is the highest
percentage of women leaders in the state right here in
Dutchess County. I think when you go around the state,
you don't see I mean, okay, your governor is female.
Now that that was the first when she became governor.
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That was the beginning. I guess for New York State
to kind of turn the corner and start recognizing that.
And I think a lot of the mayors and throughout
the state are female now more and more, and let's
hope it continue.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
In Germany county executives, I looked it up last year.
I mean, I forget how many counties there are, but
there are.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Two counties.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Okay, and I think there were only four women who
county executive before that, there were none. Yeah, that's your
remark under representation. So when you saw it with County
Executive Cuscerino, and then you know the major city in
our county, Poughkeepsie, being led by a black woman, as.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
When Yvonne was running, we were still doing the new
and I said it on the air several times. I
didn't see anybody that was in the in the run.
There was a bunch of candidates that made more sense
than Ivonne being mayored.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You mentioned that right made to me.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
She was like regards she was qualified professionally, absolutely, But
to me at the time we were where Poughkeepsie was,
I couldn't see anybody else all than her leading. He
didn't make any sense to me. I was so happy
when she got e left.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
She's doing a good job, Yes she is. She has
hoped to have her on actually for Black History Month
as well.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And you know, of all the political figures I've known,
and uh, I've known a lot, not as many as Mike,
but you know, I've been around in terms of the politics,
I never met anybody who was more genuinely attached to
the community they represented. I mean, she was born here,
she grew up here. Father was a great community organized
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we never held any official position, but he was John Flowers,
the great guy. But she grew up with community service,
and that kind of dedication to the community that she
knew and was part of got transformed into her maya's
position in a way that I just never saw.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean so organic, right, And she worked for the
community college and finance, you know. That's that's one of
the reasons why I really appreciate. That's how we initially
met Yvonne and I Mayor Flowers and I through through
Real Skills led by Tree Arrington. And when the city
was awarded a grant, part of that funding went to
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Real Skills, and I was brought in to help monitor
that that funding, you know. But but what I appreciated
about her is her breath of.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Knowledge, you know, in that area.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's it's different when someone comes to you and and says,
sign this. You know, this is this is the budget.
I knew that there was someone there that actually could
look at it and completely understand it, you know, and
go through those figures, and that was important.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And she had, you know, she had skin in the game.
For lack of a better word, she was. She was
the community. I mean, growing up with her father all
he did. I just I remember when she was running.
I was like, this is a no brainer. Would the
mayor if you want to take Poughkeepsie where everybody hopes
it's going to go, She's going to be the one
that's going to lead it. There somebody that's going to
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come in there and you know, not really understanding the
community itself is going to lose. You got to have
it's got to be a you know, say it takes
a village, Well, it's going to.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Take a village, absolutely, And she's the one.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I'm so happy she's there. I think she's doing a
great job.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And she just look at you know, I saw him Avon,
you know, in my opinion, seeing gifts to represent a
community she's part of and do it without great humility,
no arrogance. And then Eliz Cuserino, who is also very
attached to the county. I mean, she ran a business here,
she grew up here.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
She sat for ten years, and.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
She shows up at everything she does.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
She's not a typical politician for the right reasons.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And this is the point I was going to make
is that these women, you know, traditionally are not you know,
that that stereotype of the politician at all.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And I think that's that's appealing and they like each other.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And I guess the third one in terms of prominence
would be Rebecca Edwards. She was a tenured professor of
Vasa College, which is a great academic job, you know,
and she's written books and she's a popular teacher. Yeah,
Alissa also works at Vasa. But to have Rebecca Edward
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was moved to be in a position because she just
paid much because money, and she did a vasta and yeah,
she's in it one thousand percent, Yes she is, and
it's inspiring society.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I have to be honest with you. When when when
I first met in Rebecca and we had her on
the talk show in the morning, I thought to myself,
oh my god, she's going to get eaten the line.
She had no political experience whatsoever. And she's stuck to
her she's stuck to her guns, and she's she's doing well.
She's adapted and she's learning. But I thought to myself,
you know that's because I mean, let's face it, I
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can't imagine being a politician I would last thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
To throw me out against me too.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, because I mean what I say, and say what
I mean and.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
If you don't like it, all right, right right?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You can't do that as a politician.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah. My brothers always telling me she can do politics
systems and no, no, no, no, no no no, I
trust me.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I won't. I won't. I'm the whisper.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I love you too much and I wouldn't want you
to see to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, that trusts me.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
We say about Mike, his bigtment of politics is he's
not You might be crazy, right, but you're not crazy
an the way political people are crazy. It's that you
wanted to hold the power for the sake of power.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
We will have discussions occasionally find Look, you know your problem.
You have too much common sense, that's.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, it is you know why somebody want to have
the power of other people instead of around.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yes, And if you're just tuning in, you're listening to
finding out with Pete and the poet gold and I'm
the poblic Golden. We're here with.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Uncle Mike's here and I'm really excited. Not only are
we talking about Black History Month, which is just ahead
of us but the third annual Poet Gold Knows Women
Lead Dutchess is coming up. And this is one of
those events where when we first talked about it, we
all got excited, we saw the possibilities. But then after
the first one happened, it was amazing after the first
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one happened, and we couldn't wait to do the second
one right now. And now that we really understand what
goes on, and I know Goal, I can see she's
already got ideas about different workshops. But it's fascinating to watch.
I mean it really, I mean we could do we
try to do two hours, we could do four or
five hours.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Oh, absolutely, yes, And it's it's.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Almost you feel like there's a relief in the room
after it starts, when they.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Realize what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, yeah, Initially I remember the first one, folks were
just showing up and said, we don't know exactly what
this is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Are you performing? Are you reading of? Like none of that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
You know, this is this is about you, This is
not about me, you know. And I'm always pleasantly, uh
you know, feel this sort of wonder when, especially when
there's when there's a new audience to watch them as
you said earlier. The hair come down, so to speak,
you know, the relaxation once they recognize, oh, I don't
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have to be the representative I can. I can just
sort of be me and it's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And one of the things you know that before about
how difficult it would be doue with men in this
short period of time, I think it has to deal
with men. You know, what we do is we can
see of ourselves as who we are and our accomplishments
and what we might do will get you know, we're
sort of more self censored, whereas I think women see
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that they're in them being as being in collaboration with
other people, and so that makes it, you know, the
event could. But I would also say, and unequivocally, I'm
not has you my bets on it. I think that
in general, not every single case, but in general, women
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are better leaders than men because women are culturally brought
up to be in relationship to others. And so when
you have a less egotistical, more collaborative social structure that
women are running, that's a better community than the male oriented.
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Hey I'm going to do something for you.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well, there's a socially emotional curve, you know it built
I think built in the women. We're conscious most, not all,
but most they're conscious of the relationship between us and
another human being.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's that's that's in front of us.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And so the more sort of secure we are in
being human, we're recognizing your humanity as well.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You know what I've noticed over the years, and despite
a lot of people's opinion, I do pay attentions. I
think women have adopted a lot because even though everything
we're saying is absolutely one hundred percent trough, and I
love what goes on there, women in the positions they're in,
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they still have to play the game, and sometimes they
have to play it better than the men because they're
never going to get recognized if they don't. So it's interesting,
like Gold was talking earlier the first couple of minutes,
even this time, it's interesting to watch them who they
sit with and how they and then all of a
sudden when they realize, you know, the ones that have
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been here before, no, but this is all about but
the new beies we have come in this year. They're
gonna look around and they're gonna say, I really let
my guard down.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Here, right because they're because being.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
In the world are in They have to be that
way to survive unfortunately, right and and and to watch that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Wall come down and it comes down quickly.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Actually we should, you know, we always get around we
say eleven forty five. Maybe we should give them the
first half hour to just get comfortable in here and
realize that it's okay. This is a safe.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Place, absolutely, and then it all really thing absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And the safe place thing is so important. And it
sounds like such an odd phrase. And men think a
safe place is a place where you you know, you
might be armed yourself if it comes up, but emotionally safe.
And I think it's tied very much, not only to
you know, what you can do, both in private and public,
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but it comes from it's articulated in your new book.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Be the poem.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And the relationship between your your new book and your
you know, we might call it a seminar or a
group or a spiritual coming together is a big deal.
You want to talk about how your book might shed
some light on your sensibility in running the program.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Well, the book obviously came after the first and second
time that we did it, but it's but it's certainly
tied into my belief systems. You know that that us
as humans are on a spiritual journey, an evolutionary spiritual journey,
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and be the poem is about tapping into that and
understanding what fears we carry that prevent us from getting there.
And so that's part of what the women Gathering together
is about. It's about sort of you're in a space
where you can say, you know, I'm uncomfortable in different spaces,
or I you know, I'm afraid actually in different spaces,
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and what can I do? Or this is what I
do to connect to my joy, which in essence gives
me strength, gives me confidence. And I actually have other
people in my community that I may have never even
met that either feel the same way. Are a bridge
to community and now I know this.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean I listening to these women, I pick
up a lot of great things listening to them because
they're talking about situations as a male I probably never
would be in. And I think to myself, Wow, that
really sucks to be in that position. And I hear
I'll here's free women say well, this is what you know.
One of the phrases that happens during is you talk
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about the glass ceiling, what was your glass ceiling.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right right, And that's very important, absolutely, And some of
the last ceilings that.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
These women talk about and how they navigated them successfully,
it's fascinating to me. And it's stuff I have to
tell you that I take with me when I leave
and I think about it in situations that i'm and
they use.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It right right right, Because it's not that it doesn't
happen for men, you know, it's like, how do you
create the safe space for men too, because it's a
different peeling bad is a difference of one. How do
you look at you know, vulnerability. I mean, Peter, you
talk about you know, the both of you have talked
about the male ego. You know, so if I facilitated
a workshop for men, that's that's the first thing I
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would put on the table, you know, as I know
that all you guys have done great things. You're phenomenal. Yeah,
you know, give you some pattern the back. But now
we're going to peel that out because on the other hand,
I know, sometimes it's hard for you as a man
in the world in which we've set up to identify
with certain human things because you've been told that it's
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it's either feminine you know, and you don't do it
or lack strength.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
You know, when you think about some of the idioms
that men walk around with, and one of the ones
I hate the worst is you know, you keep your
friends close and your enemies closer, that you have an
open mind. If that's the way you're Gold and I
are friends, I don't. I'm not going to spend time
with you. Women don't have that tot. And just one
(28:26):
real quick comment about this book that Gold has written,
you know, the way you way you portrayed it, it was
like a new concept. I know Gold well enough that
book has been inside of her her entire life, and
she finally wrote it, So I think it's it's it's
really I did go through the book and I can
see that Gold is there, and it's just probably something
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you've been writing, thinking about writing for a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Absolutely, finally you did it. And it's not easy to
write a book, it was.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
And then after you write it, you're always second guessing.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yourself, right, right, right. And I'm actually working on the
second version of this. It's actually going to be a series.
And so the second version I think is going to
talk more about rufus, you know, go ahead, Peter, I.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Want to say, you know, we're running out of time.
But what Mike said that was like a fantastic review
of that book. I'm like, if you were Pray, if
you were Pray paid literary critic, you've got to.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
That literary It's just that I know, go, yes, will
I know that's been inside of her whole life. Yes,
she finally got it out.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I finally got it.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Happy to hear there's going to be more. Absolutely, I
want to remind you time is sticking, so you better
start writing.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I like to close, but it hurts you, journey. I
was speaking and I'm looking at the book. The name
of the book is be the Poem, and I think
underneath that is a thing goal saying be you a poem?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Absolutely absolutely, And that's that's why it's be the poem,
living beyond our fears.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And so a goal that the events and well her events.
It's a way of giving people more power to be
the poem, the story the greatness of their own life.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Absolutely, so thank you everyone for listening to finding. I
think we're out of time. I know, and Peter gives
me the point.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know, It's like.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I'm sort of punctual.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yes, punctual, but thank you to our listeners. We appreciate you,
and thank you once again Mike for joining us. We
always like that real quickly.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
So the event is closed. It's invitation only, but we
are recording the entire event like last year, and the
month of March we will have excerpts from the meeting
all month long, so you're going to get a flavor.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Of all what happen. Absolutely absolutely good point.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Thank you,
The views and opinions expressed in the following programmer. Those
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good morning, I'll find you out with Peteing the poet Cold.
I'm Peter Leanna and I'm the poet Gold, and we're
on the air this morning together and Uncle Mike Hanson
joining us again. An extra thanks to Mike. But before
we go to the three of us in all of
our fascinating opinions, we're going to go to the poet
Cold for her, we keep poem prayer, incantation Cold. Please
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let it roll.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, Peter, I think we're all three together longing for springs.
So I'm going to do a poem called Spring out
of my new book, be the poem Living Beyond Our Fears.
So this is spring. It's dawn. I sit at the
window watching the buds on the trees, waiting in anticipation leafing.
Somehow I always miss it, and suddenly the leaves appear.
I love this little spring game. Maybe I'll catch them
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next year.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Amen to that, And we're all looking to spring. We're
looking forward in this show. We're looking forward to the
month of Ferrue, which is black his three month and
even beyond that, March is Women's his three months, absolutely
month where we have a very special celebration here at iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, happening on March third here on March thirty, celebrating
the leaders of Dutchess County Public Gold Knows Women Lead Duchess.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's right, that's the name of the event. And we
bring in, you know, thirty five to forty leaders in
Dutchess County and have a know, what you would call almost.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
A luncheon, a celebration of who they are as women.
You know, oftentimes these women sit you know, in the
executive position and it's a lot of work. It's sometimes
very stressful, and I think it gives them an opportunity.
I think the event gives them an opportunity to decompress,
you know, to come in and bond with each other
and share stories and find out that they're more alike
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than different and understanding the common ground. And then how
do we move forward together specifically for our community in
Dutchess County collectively, even even if we differ, you know,
on on certain levels of how do we come to
the table and have a conversation so that I think everyone,
all the women have good intentions.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes. And one of the things the name of the
events is Pope goal note and does she ever know,
you know, the women made Duchess. And one of the
things that I think it's just true, factually true. The
Judges County has I think the most in New York State,
the most women leaders of any county in the state. Ore.
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You know, Cucerino is our county executive. The mayor of
the City of Poughkeepsie a woman, and then Rebecca Edwards
is the Town of Poughkeepsie supervisor. The head of the
Dutchess County Legislature is a woman. And so we uh,
and that's just on the political side. On the human
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service side, you know, we have loads of women, uh,
you know from Leah Felman and family Services, were you know,
the very prominent pastor Christ Church.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Susan heard that she's leaving. Will she be leaving before
the event? I'm trying to remember, but she's around. We
have to.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
She but she's uh, you know, dynamite and lots of
women leaders. Uh. Such this outreach we have uh this
mu c o U A fought so we have a lot.
So factually, women lead judgess and iheart's the only place
to celebrates that fact in an appropriate way by bringing
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the women together.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And right here at the station.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
In this station, right room there. Well, you said it's
a lunch, and it's more like a you know, my
experience of it, it's more like a spiritual comings together
than it is. You know, free Mexican food.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know, you know, you know I'm willing to insert
the food. Me being a foodie is so I'm always
going to high like the food.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
First of all, the poem that Gold did last Sunday,
we got a foot and a half of snow and
while you're listening to this show on Sunday morning, I
think it's going to be snowing again.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, that's all was very appropriated. Let's help spring is
around the great accent.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
We don't have any room from anymore. But the thing
that fascinated me with the with the event, this will
be the third one we do, and both times I
was equally fascinated is you have thirty or thirty five
of the leaders, the women leaders here in Dutchess County
in the room together. First of all, I don't think
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they get that a lot. I don't think they're together
a lot because of the nature of what they do.
And the other problem is there's already so much pressure
on women that are leaders. Let's face it, it's still
a man's world. It's probably going to be a man's world,
will be long going if it every shit goes the
other way. But these are women who are getting it
done in a most dramatic way, you know, over over
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exceeding men's abilities, I think. But not only are they
doing that, they're in a room together and they're sharing
their they're they're bearing their souls in this room with
things that I'm sure a lot of them that are
in the room together that may know each other professionally,
had no idea about. And all of a sudden, when
we had you know, one would say something about a
personal event that happened that was devastating, and there'd be
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three others right after, well, that happened to me too,
and I'm glad that you brought that up, and this
is how I handle it. And all of a sudden,
you know, Poet is up there trying to run the
program because we have a limited amount of time and
we're going and we got to let it roll because
these things are just you don't expect this, and I
say it all the time. If that was a group
of men, all you would hear is a poet talking,
because the men would not say, they would not bear
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their souls and half of them. You know, you made
the point Peter, that nobody leaves. They stay to two
hours plus because it's such a fascinating conversation. The men
would have been nine or fifty. I got to go.
I got a meeting to go to, and it would
have been out the door.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That's just reality, right right right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And men like to pretend we have we like to yes,
but I have a more important place to go.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And just being with you, I think that two men's credit.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I think that I could probably get a group of
men to open up.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I'd love to see that, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I think I can get to open up as fast goal.
No it may not be a fast but but we
probably need that extra hour that I always build in,
you know, because it's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The sensal, you know, just you moderating and not only
moderating the thing, but actually leading the event. Yeah, you
do some of your poetry, but you also opening up
for not only discussion, but for actually coming together. What's
your how do you prepare for that? Or what do
you what's your perspective on that?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, my idea is to let the room lead, you know,
more or less, to to ask socratic type questions that
open up the space for versus direct questions like a
yes or no. So so it prompts the discussion. Last
year we did uh, I did a workshop on joy
and fear. You know, what's the impact? What what is
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joy for you? And and uh and how does how
does fear impact your daily your daily life and in
the workspace, I think I'm probably going to continue that.
You know, we'll have a for the most part a
different group of women. And so I think that it's
that it's an important topic, particularly today, uh, for for
people to to be aware of how do you bring
joy into the space in the space of tension and diversity?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Uh And and how do you handle your fears?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And and so when you when you go down that
that lane, and people have a tendency once you give
them the safe space to open up, I find that
people will open up.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I guess see aart of it is the mystery of it.
How do you make a room without forty people are
basically professionals. How do you make them feel safe?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Right? Well, it's collaboration. You know, it's not a solo show.
You know, the women are set up in groups so
that there's team building, this collaboration going on. So at
some point you know that you have a limited amount
of time and you surrender to the process.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I don't think that what I've noticed, and everybody, I
guess a certain extent has an ego. You have to
have some sense of worth. But with women, I don't
notice the egos fighting with each other. The egos seem
to be left at the door and women are there.
And especially now the third year, if you have a
couple of the women who have been to all of them,
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they're looking forward to this because it's the two hours
where they can This is the sexist thing to say.
They can let their hair down and they can let
it go and they're not worried about anybody taking it
out of that room. You've never had a situation.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Where anything left that room right right, that was.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Said, We put it. It was on the air of
some of it was said, but no women were talking
about each other. Guys, would you know They're looking for
an advantage anywhere they can get that guy. You know
that guy. I saw that guy cry he's weak. So
you know, that's the kind of thing that would have
went on, right, But I'm just fascinated.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
The other part of this that I think but we
miss a little bit is if there's thirty five women
in the room, a lot of them are leaders. They
have power positions of power that they have. But some
of the women in that room are not the actual
leaders of their organizations, but they they do lead the organization.
Some of them have men that are leading the organization
that these women are doing all the work for and
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the guys are taking the credit for. I know there's
a few of them that fit into that category, and
this is the first time they get a chance to
really have a voice with other leaders around them that
they probably can't in the boardrooms. They don't get to talk. Probably,
I'm sure it's still that old, right.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I think that one year one of the executives brought
up the fact that that when they are in that space,
you know, in the boardroom, they initially we're trying to
adapt to the men in in the space versus you know,
bringing the the intuition that that that women generally have,
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you know, that that unique intuition that that we can
bring to the table and responding on that. And so
it's finding that balance of you know, how do I
bring my gifts and and the things that are organically
me without feeling ashamed of them. If you're just tuning in,
you're listening to finding out with Pete and the Poet Gold.
I'm Peter Leon and we're here today. Did I say,
(10:32):
I'm Poet Gold and we're here today talking about the
upcoming months? We have Black History Month coming up, and
we also have Women's History Month, and we talked we're
talking about Poet Gold Knows Women Lead Duchess Annual, the
third annual that tried the third annual with our collaborative
partner here at I Heeart.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
One of the most profound things I learned, sew what happened,
and like I said, when they have the luncheon, I'm
out of the room. Uh. You know, Mike has soche
a good presence. He's in the room with the microphone
doing sound and nobody minds it does not in Sofia,
(11:10):
And that's a special gift. But one of the women.
Mike was Sandy Ludlum, who's who prominent a family Services.
She's on the board there, She's on the board at
New Horizons Resources also, But she was, you know, people
talking about this equilibrium between male power and female power,
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and she, like Mike was bringing up. She said, and
you also have to think of the ways you played
into the old power structure, and which is a very
personal thing. And everybody knew what she was talking about,
and people were able to share it and how they
sort of overcame that position of not only being dominated,
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but going along with the domination. And I thought that
was profound.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I have a question for you, you know, speak of
black history and women's history and just the different recognitions
of the history months. Do you do you feel that
this is important to have, so to speak, on our calendars,
of all of the history months that acknowledge different categories
and the diversity that we have here in the United States.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, I do. I think in a lot of it
should be more than just a month. I mean, we
should be talking about this all year long. A lot
of these things. There's a lot of you know, every
month has something pinned to it. Now it's Blueberry pancakes.
But I think some of these issues that are so important,
you know, you know, you know how I feel about
military and veterans. Veterans get one day a year and
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they get veterans down. They're out there risking their lives
all year long, and they can recognize one day. You're
women the same way.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Well, now there's a Women's History Month, which is relatively new.
Why we haven't always celebrated Women's History Month, it's right,
not the way we celebrate it now anyway. Now it's
all the networks have picked up on it and it's
showcased for the month. But again, the women are doing
it all year long, not just doing it one month. Right,
I think it's very important. I think we should have
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maybe more than any get into. If you do try
to do more than one thing in a month, you're
taking away from the other, you know what I mean.
So there's only twelve months in a year, and there's
more than twelve things that should be celebrated, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But you're the goal is not to be able to
segregate one month or for women one month, or for
Black History Month. But because the structures, certainly from my
growing up and still in force today. You know, women
are still marginalized, Black people are still marginalized, and having
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a month celebrating the contributions they've made both as exemplary
individuals but also a civic leaders. It's appropriate because.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It's just start.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's just start. Yeah, it's not the idea heal, but
it's a start, and a start is better than absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
No your question go. I think it's very important. I'm
happy that we do this event for Dutchess County here
and to Peter's point, I think there is the highest
percentage of women leaders in the state right here in
Dutchess County. I think when you go around the state,
you don't see I mean, okay, your governor is female.
Now that that was the first when she became governor.
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That was the beginning. I guess for New York State
to kind of turn the corner and start recognizing that.
And I think a lot of the mayors and throughout
the state are female now more and more, and let's
hope it continue.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
In Germany county executives, I looked it up last year.
I mean, I forget how many counties there are, but
there are.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Two counties.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Okay, and I think there were only four women who
county executive before that, there were none. Yeah, that's your
remark under representation. So when you saw it with County
Executive Cuscerino, and then you know the major city in
our county, Poughkeepsie, being led by a black woman, as.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
When Yvonne was running, we were still doing the new
and I said it on the air several times. I
didn't see anybody that was in the in the run.
There was a bunch of candidates that made more sense
than Ivonne being mayored.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You mentioned that right made to me.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
She was like regards she was qualified professionally, absolutely, But
to me at the time we were where Poughkeepsie was,
I couldn't see anybody else all than her leading. He
didn't make any sense to me. I was so happy
when she got e left.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
She's doing a good job, Yes she is. She has
hoped to have her on actually for Black History Month
as well.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And you know, of all the political figures I've known,
and uh, I've known a lot, not as many as Mike,
but you know, I've been around in terms of the politics,
I never met anybody who was more genuinely attached to
the community they represented. I mean, she was born here,
she grew up here. Father was a great community organized
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we never held any official position, but he was John Flowers,
the great guy. But she grew up with community service,
and that kind of dedication to the community that she
knew and was part of got transformed into her maya's
position in a way that I just never saw.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean so organic, right, And she worked for the
community college and finance, you know. That's that's one of
the reasons why I really appreciate. That's how we initially
met Yvonne and I Mayor Flowers and I through through
Real Skills led by Tree Arrington. And when the city
was awarded a grant, part of that funding went to
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Real Skills, and I was brought in to help monitor
that that funding, you know. But but what I appreciated
about her is her breath of.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Knowledge, you know, in that area.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's it's different when someone comes to you and and says,
sign this. You know, this is this is the budget.
I knew that there was someone there that actually could
look at it and completely understand it, you know, and
go through those figures, and that was important.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And she had, you know, she had skin in the game.
For lack of a better word, she was. She was
the community. I mean, growing up with her father all
he did. I just I remember when she was running.
I was like, this is a no brainer. Would the
mayor if you want to take Poughkeepsie where everybody hopes
it's going to go, She's going to be the one
that's going to lead it. There somebody that's going to
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come in there and you know, not really understanding the
community itself is going to lose. You got to have
it's got to be a you know, say it takes
a village, Well, it's going to.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Take a village, absolutely, And she's the one.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I'm so happy she's there. I think she's doing a
great job.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And she just look at you know, I saw him Avon,
you know, in my opinion, seeing gifts to represent a
community she's part of and do it without great humility,
no arrogance. And then Eliz Cuserino, who is also very
attached to the county. I mean, she ran a business here,
she grew up here.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
She sat for ten years, and.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
She shows up at everything she does.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
She's not a typical politician for the right reasons.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And this is the point I was going to make
is that these women, you know, traditionally are not you know,
that that stereotype of the politician at all.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And I think that's that's appealing and they like each other.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And I guess the third one in terms of prominence
would be Rebecca Edwards. She was a tenured professor of
Vasa College, which is a great academic job, you know,
and she's written books and she's a popular teacher. Yeah,
Alissa also works at Vasa. But to have Rebecca Edward
(19:02):
was moved to be in a position because she just
paid much because money, and she did a vasta and yeah,
she's in it one thousand percent, Yes she is, and
it's inspiring society.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I have to be honest with you. When when when
I first met in Rebecca and we had her on
the talk show in the morning, I thought to myself,
oh my god, she's going to get eaten the line.
She had no political experience whatsoever. And she's stuck to
her she's stuck to her guns, and she's she's doing well.
She's adapted and she's learning. But I thought to myself,
you know that's because I mean, let's face it, I
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can't imagine being a politician I would last thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
To throw me out against me too.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, because I mean what I say, and say what
I mean and.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
If you don't like it, all right, right right?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You can't do that as a politician.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah. My brothers always telling me she can do politics
systems and no, no, no, no, no no no, I
trust me.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I won't. I won't. I'm the whisper.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I love you too much and I wouldn't want you
to see to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, that trusts me.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
We say about Mike, his bigtment of politics is he's
not You might be crazy, right, but you're not crazy
an the way political people are crazy. It's that you
wanted to hold the power for the sake of power.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
We will have discussions occasionally find Look, you know your problem.
You have too much common sense, that's.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, it is you know why somebody want to have
the power of other people instead of around.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yes, And if you're just tuning in, you're listening to
finding out with Pete and the poet gold and I'm
the poblic Golden. We're here with.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Uncle Mike's here and I'm really excited. Not only are
we talking about Black History Month, which is just ahead
of us but the third annual Poet Gold Knows Women
Lead Dutchess is coming up. And this is one of
those events where when we first talked about it, we
all got excited, we saw the possibilities. But then after
the first one happened, it was amazing after the first
(20:54):
one happened, and we couldn't wait to do the second
one right now. And now that we really understand what
goes on, and I know Goal, I can see she's
already got ideas about different workshops. But it's fascinating to watch.
I mean it really, I mean we could do we
try to do two hours, we could do four or
five hours.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Oh, absolutely, yes, And it's it's.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Almost you feel like there's a relief in the room
after it starts, when they.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Realize what it is.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, yeah, Initially I remember the first one, folks were
just showing up and said, we don't know exactly what
this is.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Are you performing? Are you reading of? Like none of that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
You know, this is this is about you, This is
not about me, you know. And I'm always pleasantly, uh
you know, feel this sort of wonder when, especially when
there's when there's a new audience to watch them as
you said earlier. The hair come down, so to speak,
you know, the relaxation once they recognize, oh, I don't
(21:50):
have to be the representative I can. I can just
sort of be me and it's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And one of the things you know that before about
how difficult it would be doue with men in this
short period of time, I think it has to deal
with men. You know, what we do is we can
see of ourselves as who we are and our accomplishments
and what we might do will get you know, we're
sort of more self censored, whereas I think women see
(22:21):
that they're in them being as being in collaboration with
other people, and so that makes it, you know, the
event could. But I would also say, and unequivocally, I'm
not has you my bets on it. I think that
in general, not every single case, but in general, women
(22:42):
are better leaders than men because women are culturally brought
up to be in relationship to others. And so when
you have a less egotistical, more collaborative social structure that
women are running, that's a better community than the male oriented.
(23:04):
Hey I'm going to do something for you.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well, there's a socially emotional curve, you know it built
I think built in the women. We're conscious most, not all,
but most they're conscious of the relationship between us and
another human being.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's that's that's in front of us.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And so the more sort of secure we are in
being human, we're recognizing your humanity as well.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You know what I've noticed over the years, and despite
a lot of people's opinion, I do pay attentions. I
think women have adopted a lot because even though everything
we're saying is absolutely one hundred percent trough, and I
love what goes on there, women in the positions they're in,
(23:53):
they still have to play the game, and sometimes they
have to play it better than the men because they're
never going to get recognized if they don't. So it's interesting,
like Gold was talking earlier the first couple of minutes,
even this time, it's interesting to watch them who they
sit with and how they and then all of a
sudden when they realize, you know, the ones that have
(24:13):
been here before, no, but this is all about but
the new beies we have come in this year. They're
gonna look around and they're gonna say, I really let
my guard down.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Here, right because they're because being.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
In the world are in They have to be that
way to survive unfortunately, right and and and to watch that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Wall come down and it comes down quickly.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Actually we should, you know, we always get around we
say eleven forty five. Maybe we should give them the
first half hour to just get comfortable in here and
realize that it's okay. This is a safe.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Place, absolutely, and then it all really thing absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And the safe place thing is so important. And it
sounds like such an odd phrase. And men think a
safe place is a place where you you know, you
might be armed yourself if it comes up, but emotionally safe.
And I think it's tied very much, not only to
you know, what you can do, both in private and public,
(25:06):
but it comes from it's articulated in your new book.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Be the poem.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And the relationship between your your new book and your
you know, we might call it a seminar or a
group or a spiritual coming together is a big deal.
You want to talk about how your book might shed
some light on your sensibility in running the program.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Well, the book obviously came after the first and second
time that we did it, but it's but it's certainly
tied into my belief systems. You know that that us
as humans are on a spiritual journey, an evolutionary spiritual journey,
(25:54):
and be the poem is about tapping into that and
understanding what fears we carry that prevent us from getting there.
And so that's part of what the women Gathering together
is about. It's about sort of you're in a space
where you can say, you know, I'm uncomfortable in different spaces,
or I you know, I'm afraid actually in different spaces,
(26:17):
and what can I do? Or this is what I
do to connect to my joy, which in essence gives
me strength, gives me confidence. And I actually have other
people in my community that I may have never even
met that either feel the same way. Are a bridge
to community and now I know this.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean I listening to these women, I pick
up a lot of great things listening to them because
they're talking about situations as a male I probably never
would be in. And I think to myself, Wow, that
really sucks to be in that position. And I hear
I'll here's free women say well, this is what you know.
One of the phrases that happens during is you talk
(26:55):
about the glass ceiling, what was your glass ceiling.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right right, And that's very important, absolutely, And some of
the last ceilings that.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
These women talk about and how they navigated them successfully,
it's fascinating to me. And it's stuff I have to
tell you that I take with me when I leave
and I think about it in situations that i'm and
they use.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It right right right, Because it's not that it doesn't
happen for men, you know, it's like, how do you
create the safe space for men too, because it's a
different peeling bad is a difference of one. How do
you look at you know, vulnerability. I mean, Peter, you
talk about you know, the both of you have talked
about the male ego. You know, so if I facilitated
a workshop for men, that's that's the first thing I
(27:32):
would put on the table, you know, as I know
that all you guys have done great things. You're phenomenal. Yeah,
you know, give you some pattern the back. But now
we're going to peel that out because on the other hand,
I know, sometimes it's hard for you as a man
in the world in which we've set up to identify
with certain human things because you've been told that it's
(27:55):
it's either feminine you know, and you don't do it
or lack strength.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
You know, when you think about some of the idioms
that men walk around with, and one of the ones
I hate the worst is you know, you keep your
friends close and your enemies closer, that you have an
open mind. If that's the way you're Gold and I
are friends, I don't. I'm not going to spend time
with you. Women don't have that tot. And just one
(28:26):
real quick comment about this book that Gold has written,
you know, the way you way you portrayed it, it was
like a new concept. I know Gold well enough that
book has been inside of her her entire life, and
she finally wrote it, So I think it's it's it's
really I did go through the book and I can
see that Gold is there, and it's just probably something
(28:48):
you've been writing, thinking about writing for a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Absolutely, finally you did it. And it's not easy to
write a book, it was.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
And then after you write it, you're always second guessing.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yourself, right, right, right. And I'm actually working on the
second version of this. It's actually going to be a series.
And so the second version I think is going to
talk more about rufus, you know, go ahead, Peter, I.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Want to say, you know, we're running out of time.
But what Mike said that was like a fantastic review
of that book. I'm like, if you were Pray, if
you were Pray paid literary critic, you've got to.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
That literary It's just that I know, go, yes, will
I know that's been inside of her whole life. Yes,
she finally got it out.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I finally got it.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Happy to hear there's going to be more. Absolutely, I
want to remind you time is sticking, so you better
start writing.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I like to close, but it hurts you, journey. I
was speaking and I'm looking at the book. The name
of the book is be the Poem, and I think
underneath that is a thing goal saying be you a poem?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Absolutely absolutely, And that's that's why it's be the poem,
living beyond our fears.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And so a goal that the events and well her events.
It's a way of giving people more power to be
the poem, the story the greatness of their own life.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Absolutely, so thank you everyone for listening to finding. I
think we're out of time. I know, and Peter gives
me the point.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know, It's like.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I'm sort of punctual.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yes, punctual, but thank you to our listeners. We appreciate you,
and thank you once again Mike for joining us. We
always like that real quickly.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
So the event is closed. It's invitation only, but we
are recording the entire event like last year, and the
month of March we will have excerpts from the meeting
all month long, so you're going to get a flavor.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Of all what happen. Absolutely absolutely good point.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Thank you,
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