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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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out with Pete in the public Gold, I'm Peter Leonard
and Poblic Gold is not with us today, but look
you for us once again. Uncle Mike Hanson is here
to discuss the issues of the day. And I guess
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you know this week the big issue, of course, has
been President of Trump's State of the Union message, and
you know, just last week, I'm a representative, Congressman Ryan
gave a State of the Hudson Valley and it can
be those two things are our agenda more than anything else.
We want to say, Mike, welcome to the show that
you endure all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, Peter, it's always a joy to be with you.
And when Poet is here with her as well. And
it's funny you said, what do you think about having
a discussion about the state of the Union, And I'm
happy to do that. I did watch the entire speech,
and I'm curious to start. Why don't you tell a
little bit about Pat Ryan's address, his State of the
State of the County. I guess the state of his whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He called the state of the Hudson Valley. And you know,
it was at the Family Part and Ship Center in
Poughkeepsie where he has a branch office, one of his
congressional offices there, and it was very It was a
Sunday Sunday, twelve o'clock, and he got a good crowd,
you know, but it's a hard room to fill. The
auditorium era like six fifty and he had maybe four
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hundred people there. It's a lot of people. It's a
lot of people. And in my senses, Congressman Ryan, you know,
he's not like a fair talking, overly gifted political person.
For a lot of our listeners might remember Marcus Molnaro,
who clearly was a gifted political talent. But Pat Ryan,
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he has really grown a lot as a public speaker.
He certainly is he my congressman. And I'm delighted with
the way he his values and the way he votes.
And the issue that he dealt with most prominently, at
least in my mind, was the way in which the
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immigrants in Poughkeepsie and throughout his whole congressional districts are
being treated and you know, I think there's a there's
a national polls or you know, a sixteen percent of
the nation thinks that we're not doing that in the
best way. You know. I mean the President Trump, when
he was campaigning, said two things, and you know he
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says too things a lot which covers a lot of territory,
because well, one of the things he said was we're
going to get rid of the worst of the worst,
and everybody in America is for that basically, you know,
you know, keep the bed ones here. But then he
also said, and you know you saw the big signs
at the Republican Convention saying mass deportation and deportation is
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the opposite of the worst of the work. You know,
if you hear illegally were throwing you out. And you
know the way things have unfolded with the Ice officers
probably not being trained as well as other law enforcement people,
and you know, they've they've had a bad look, and
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the publicity around it has been rough. And you know,
most I think statistically most Americans are not for getting
rid of everybody who's an immigrant. But that was a
conton rise chief thing. The other thing, you know, he
alluded to our President Trump is having a hard time
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telling the truth, which I think is pretty well documented.
Uh and you know, the foreign policy he brushed by.
But it was considered a good speech. And one of
the things that was locally significant was how many of
the local Democrats showed up to be present. You know,
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they announced, you know, it was in the audience and
political elected officials you like to be mentioned. And Pat
Ryan went through the list and it was a lot.
There were three or fifty four people there. One hundred.
No'm weikedt it. It wasn't one hundred war it was
you know, probably twenty five local elected officials were there
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being supportive.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And support for Pat Ryan, the congressman. You know, it's interesting, Peter,
So what first of all, what was what was Congressman
Ryan's solution and to the to the immigrant situation? And
I use that I have a hard time with that
a little bit, Peter, because the people that came across
that border illegally are not immigrants. They were legal aliens.
I'm sorry they broke the law. They came in here illegally.
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I'm going down the road or saying that they should
be beaten to death and throwing through I'm not going
down that road. But we've got to make sure we
keep that clear. They're here illegally, and not only is
that against what our laws are standing for. I always
think about the people that came here legally, you know,
even and I have gone several times to the naturalization
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ceremony and to see how proud these people are that
they took the time to do it the right way
and now they're proud to be American citizens. It's kind
of hitting them in the face a little bit if
you let everybody come across the border after what they
went through to become citizens. I mean that bothers me
more than anything. When I go to those naturalization ceremonies
these people, I think it's fantastic. I wish I could
go to every one of them, because these people have
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worked hard and passed the test by the way a
lot of Americans probably couldn't pass, and now they're proud
to be Americans. They're proud to be part of this country.
And most of them, I will tell you, I think
it's really neat that when you talk to them, they're
proud to be Americans, but they're also proud of their
heritage and where they came from. They don't lose that.
I think that's really important because that's what built this country.
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We wouldn't have this country without immigration. What would be
the size we are.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
In the power? Yeah, I understand what you're talking about,
and I uh, I disagree with a lot of it.
And one of the things is the way the rules
are set up now is that legal immigration, you know,
UH is something that is basically a solidly middle class endeavor.
You have to wait, you appa, you have to wait
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a very long time. It's usually three to five years.
You come. You have to have UH, not only papers
but job prospects. It's a very complicated thing. And people
you know, certainly i'll talk in general as well as
people in Poughkeepsie, which I have a very direct experience with.
They're very poor people. I mean I went down to Wahaca, Mexico,
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and it's basically the people that we have UH in
the Poughkeepsie economy now are people who you know, very
sweeting of a saw a toilet until they got into America,
and you know, the subsistence level people when it comes
to the economics, and they work hard, and you know,
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they when the President says you know, they're emptying their
jails and they're doing the mental institutions. It's all just false, okay,
And it's creating a notion that most or a large
percentage of the Latino people you see are not on
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the up and up, and my opinion is it's backs
up in several ways. The people who immigrate really are
the best of the best. I mean, they're the ones
who are in poor, desperately poor circumstances. They get it
together to come to a place where there's opportunity. Because
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there are plenty of people to rob and rape in Mexico.
There are not plenty of jobs in Mexico to get
you to a level that you could actually you even
a decent level. So the notion that they're coming here
for crime makes no sense to me. And the statistics
on that, since the first study was done in nineteen twelve, that's,
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you know, twelve one hundred years ago, the crime among
immigrants is always lower than that of the native of
born population. And that makes sense to me because it's
a death step out of line, you know. And there
are also people who came to work, you know, they,
like I said, there's plenty of people that rob in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You look, it's a different situation in Mexico, lopeter The
law enforcement is different there, and a lot of parts
of Mexico are still like the Wild West. Drug cartels
run Mexico and they are a brutal, brutal bunch, and
they have their own set of laws, so they tend
to make the rules more than the government does. I mean,
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the government appears trying to get the upper hand. But
you saw over the last week or so they had
one of the kingpins was assassinated and all hell broke
loose in Mexico. It was like a world war going
on down there, where we almost wondered if you were
going to have to get the military. You know, anybody
who was in Portaguyarta vacationing was told, you know that
stay inside, don't go anywhere because you're you're going to
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get you know, there's a lot going on. So I
think that there's a little bit of a different culture
in Mexico than there is here when it comes to
the law enforcement. But you know, to me, you know,
any group of people, unfortunately around the world now, if
you take a group of people, there's going to be
some bad people there that that goes anywhere without saying
and those are the people that really needed to be
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vetted out and taken out of here. And I realized
what you're saying that it isn't the twenty million people
that came across the border. It's a much smaller number.
But some of the ones that were here are really
bad and they did commit some crimes. Some people lost
their lives, and the family is involved there they want
to you know, they're saying, you know, you saw the
speech that the gentleman did right before the State of
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the Union where he's you know, he was thinking Trump.
He says, what about you know, he's his The theory
was what about us? What about our families? What? You know,
Americans got to be put first. I think that kind
of carries over and pushes everybody in that direction that
you know what, you know, Americans first, and if you're
not a citizen then you you know, you've got to
be second considered secondly before that. So, I mean it's
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a real dicey situation. And I said to you before
we started that my biggest concern after watching the State
of the Union is this system is so broken and
it's it's so on both sides. Both sides of of
the aisles is broken, and we don't seem to be
trying to fix that. We seem to be letting the
ongoing battle between the two sides go on, and the
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media glorifies it. The media thinks it's entertainment. But in
the meantime, we're going further and further down in that red.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And I would go to several points, but I want
to remind people that they're finally out with Pete and
the poet goal and lucky for Mike, I'm petering it
and your uncle Mike Hanson, and we're on the air
this morning.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know, you and I always have interesting discussions whenever
we're together, well, and they should take an example from
us because we have a lot of opposing views. But
I love you. I mean, you're like a brother. I
think of you as a dear friend, and when we
have disagreements, I still think of you.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
As you know, we're on we're on the feeling side, but.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm saying the way it should be. Both of us
make our points, and sometimes you nod your head and
sometimes I'm not in my head because one of us
makes a point about the other side. But it's just
to me that this system is so broken, Peter, and
it's not getting fixed.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But the system is broke. We're not going to uh
disagree on that. But going back, so let's say Mexico
and some of the other Latin American countries. The fact
that you know, like in Mexico the drug hotels from
you know, all the reporting and all the social sciences.
They have too much power. They run things. So if
you have a nine year old child boy your girl,
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do you really want that kid to get to be
thirteen or fourteen where the boy is going to be
given his real opportunity is going to be to run drugs.
The girls going to have the opportunity in prostitution. I mean,
you're leaving Mexico because you have a will to protect
the kids, to better your own life. And so the
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situation in Mexico is a good reason for people to immigrate.
And they get to America and okay, they cross the
border without papers and I don't like to work alien
although it's technically if one makes some sounding spacemen. But
so you across the border and it's not a felon,
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it's a mistermeanor crime. It's a crime. And you know,
so many of them actually don't even commit a misdemeanor.
They apply for a status and it takes years to
gets to them, and in the meantime they're trying to
work and do whatnot. But is calling them illegal aliens
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puts a stop to the conversation about the humanity that
I don't like the bad guys, the people who do
rob rape and murder. Nobody has sympathy for that. So
when you talk about the worst of the worst, you
have everybody agrees with that. When I say mass deportation, boom,
President Trump, the most articulate defense of Latino Mexicans in
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this case was it only happened for like a day
and a half, but it was only the last, uh,
you know, six months. They were going to have special
status for people working meet packing plants or in agriculture
out in Colorado, I think it was. And President Trump,
the Secretary of Agriculture, made the case, you only need
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the workers and it's and Trump got up, in his
very casual, persuasive way, says, you know, if people don't
have something, they should have me like the papers. Yeah,
we pining for fifteen twenty years. Let's give him a break,
Let's bring him along. And he really just made a
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sensible human feeling argument. And then, of course, you know
the immigration people who were fit and Trump took all
that back. But when I swear to deal it, nobody
does it better, and we got to bring him along.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I was fascinated, you know. I saw the commercials for
a while with No m who is the commissioner of
whatever border services, and she shows the line of him
walking on the runway and this, this is your destiny
if you don't go on the app and turn yourself
in egal legally. Well, thinking to myself, that's fine and dandy,
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but they were getting a couple thousand dollars they were
giving them. Yeah, they're giving them a free trip back
to their country and then they were allowed to come
back in legally if they wanted to. So that's such
a such a such a drafted difference between what the
people who didn't go along with this app, and it
to me, I was like, wait a minute, So you're
you're you're you're catching people who came in illegally and
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they shouldn't be here whatever, and maybe that law needs
to be looked at big here. But the law it's
on the books right now. So they are here illegal,
and now you're going to give them money and you're
gonna fly back home and tell them they can come
back to legally if they want to. That doesn't make
any sense to me. Again, think about the people that
went through it legally. But still, I mean, you know,
so there's so much there, there's so much better to you.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
A very open, humane voice makes that sound like a
good deal. In other words, if you came to America,
you risked everything basically to come.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We're leaving it in a situation and many times that
you didn't want to be in.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Nobody leaves their country when to swell. Okay, but okay,
So we shipped them back because we figured it's easier
for us to spend the one thousand dollars on airfare,
and we do that, and then you can come back collegally.
They can't come back collegally. They are poor people. You
think they're going to become rich in middle class. I mean,
in some case they can't come back in some day.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
When they get home, you get killed or they get
beaten to deaths because what they did. So I mean
I get that part and the other thing that always
fascinates me is whenever we talk about the border, there
is no country in the world other than this country
where people are trying to get in. So many of
the other countries most of them are trying to leave. Right,
So we have a unique situation where we have a
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country that around the world is known as is the
Land of the Free and the land of opportunity, and
it is in a lot of ways. But we have
borders that I guess need to be protected because there's
so many people that want to be here. If you
let the entire population of the world in the here,
we have a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yes, And nobody thinks that you shouldn't have immigration.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The laws need to be revamped.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And I think, but the very notion of open bord
it is is something I've always uh uh not like
that phrase. It's the open border between New Jersey and
New York, right, it's an open border. Nobody checked you
when you are at the Mexican American border. You have
go through processes. You hundreds of people die every year
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in the desert trying to go. Of course, the open
boards they're not open.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well, there's parts of this country up here along our
borders that are so vast that they are not protected
because because nothing lives there, it's almost inhumane to live there.
And unfortunately, people who think that's the only way they
can get in, that's where they go to try to
get in is come across and it's a lot of
what you can't you if you ever showed an aerial
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like with the drones they have now showing how much
of the area you're talking about, No way you protect
all this, of course unless you if you build a
wall like you was talking about, but you'd have to
build a wall all the way around the country because
whatever sections you didn't do it. That's what.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, if you build the wall, they bring a lot
I mean, you know the but the part where you
have people going out into the basically the desert with
worse and a lot of them die, you know. So,
I mean the notion of open borders is not uh,
it's it's a rhetorical mirage. Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And the point I'm trying to culture, what I was
trying to make is in a lot of ways, it's
it's open borders, but it's not. It's not the people
are It's not their fault. There's so much of a
border to protect that we we can't protect them. That
that's part of the problem. And and you know, I
don't have a problem. If somebody who's been in this
country for whatever abound time you want to make three years,
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five years working, supporting themselves, supporting their families, I think
they should be given an opportunity to just become citizens.
I don't think they should be you know, all of
a sudden you catch them, you're laying in wait for
them because you figured out who they were, you know.
But if there's something, I mean, like you said, everybody
agrees if somebody comes to this country and commits a crime,
that's that and nullifies everything condition I know what is,
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and they make like there is, but there is. Nobody
wants those people here. Yeah, but it's just gotten so
far out of control. I wish I wish I had,
I wish I had a solution, Peter, But there's so
many things. Uh. By the way, you're listening to Pet
Poet gold Omical, Mike and Peter, we're having an interesting
discussion about immigration. Is what that's what a lot of
what the State of the Union was about.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And it was also what Pat Ryan's remarks were about.
Predominantly and you know, there's been a huge amount of
reporting about you know, people in Poughkeepsie I that I
know are afraid to go out of the house that
they keeping the kids in school. And Poughkeepsie has not
been targeted the way Newburgh has, uh not yet. And Minneapolis,
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Minneapolis was you know, we all saw things that we
didn't We all saw things we didn't like about America
in Indianapolis, in Minneapolis. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, well, you know one of the problems, Peter is
the media, you know, and the media is going to
show the most glorification of everything. Whatever in the media
can sensential since since you know, uh, sensational life, that's
what they do. That's how they make their money, and
that's how they get their advertisers. Which is really sick
when you think about it, but it is, it's real,
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and but it's just to me. You know, when we
watched that State of the Union, it was an hour
and forty seven minutes. It was a long speech. There
was some highlights. I mean he tried to you know
that celebrating the hockey team was cool, and a couple
of medals of honor that he gave out that was nice.
To be able to do that on that biggest stage.
A lot of times those are ceremonies in able office
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with ten people there. So these people who were celebrated
got world recognition there, but there was so many you know,
I don't know. It was such a dog and pony
show a.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Part of it. You have am of view of that
than I do. In other words, to get people who
watch something for almost two hours, you've got to be
also entertaining. I mean, you know, if you're miss McConnell
or Chuck Schumer and you were a boring person, you know,
that's a way of inflicting a clint of something terrible
on the American people too. Donald Trump is not boring.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, let's face it, Peter, this was the opening of
the midterm elections. This was all He had a purpose
for everything he did. He's trying to make his case
and he had the floor. So he made his case.
And I think the Democrats made a little mistake in
boycotting it, and some of the you know, the two
or three of the women in the squad there were
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screaming during You just that's not going to be a
good look, no matter.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
It's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, you know, and it hurt them. I think I
think so too. But it turned into a long way
away from now. So there's a lot that's gonna happen
between now. But this was the opening round, is what
it was?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes, it was. And let me give you my impressions
of President Trump in the last three months or so.
I watched things closely with him, and in the last
three months I've noticed, or when I say, I have
the impression that he's more likable now than he used
to be, which you know, I politically I really don't
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like what he does. That's not a secret. I am
a very left wing Democrat. But he seems more personable.
His tone is softer, he's speaking at a slower rate,
and he's in my opinion of this, and my interpretation
of that is that he's more authentically who he is.
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I think in the first tournament up to now, he's
been sort of at warraw time with his enemies. But
it was tipped off by his You're not going to
find a more likable political figure than Donald Trump in
the Oval office with the mandami, you know, I mean,
that was just completely gracious. And one of the reporters said, well,
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you know, he said that you're uh an authoritarian and.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Communists.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah yeah, and I know. But one reporter said that
Madam called Trump authoritarian and Trump something was so great,
went to soften it and Trump said just let it go.
Say yeah, and my Domini based with his answer. Of course,
I said that, you know, why wouldn't I and Trump
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was just so open and easy. And after that, my
sense is tone changed. And if you saw the speech,
his last hour was him being likable. The first hour
he was rushing through a bunch of statistics that he
was bored with. I'm trying to make points and Mike,
you know, we don't have to go through every one
of them. But it was a little more true I'm like,
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you know, and his ways of checking the truth. So
but once he settles into being the grand man and
let him put this metal here in this poor guy
killed he'd like.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
To be on stage, he's got and there's an act
of that. I mean, I know you have to win
the audience over, but I just you know that the
speech was long, and to me, all the nonsense about
every time somebody says something good, you got to stay yeah,
I know, says something bad, they got to book that
speech could have been done in forty five minutes if
they got all that out of there. Yeah, but instead
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it's for television and they had to fill the too.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah. But well, so it's for the people. We want
to know what teams are root for. I mean, you
get a football the game over pretty quickly, but you know,
so it's.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Part of even a football football game, Peter is sixty
minutes long. Yeah, actually time of the playing the game,
and it takes three or four hours to sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's five points. It's it's a lot of theater and commercials.
But I have a couple of general points about President
Trump and the things that I, uh dislike about him
the most is I think I he doesn't tell the
truth enough. You know, it might be it is true
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that all political figures I will say things that are
shady or maybe not true. You can interpret it that way.
He lies at a higher rate than anybody, including Bill Clinton,
and Bill cultn't lied a lot. Okay, that's one thing,
but the more another profound thing about virtually every policy
he has, it's dependent on how he relates to the
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other side personally, so that you know, if he likes you,
you get a soft deal. If he doesn't like you,
get a hard deal. And you know, presidents, of course
have always liked or disliked people, but did not drive policy.
In other words, President Trump's policy is driven more by
his liking or disliking somebody. So in Ukraine, we could
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have solved that a long time ago. He likes putting.
He just putting in the past. Mostly the thing it's
okod is, but it would be with you.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't understand why it's going as long as it's gone.
It seemed like it seemed to me like Russia should
have crushed them in.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
A hurry for three days. She didn't. Yeah, there's a
reason why they didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
We don't really know that reason yet.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, there's lots of theories. And one of the things
Russia is not that strong.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, they were struggling.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
But also, like you say, the thing in Venezuela, everybody
who pays attention you knows that ci Mandura is a strateful,
bad guy. But kidnapping him, which would basically what they
did and the rest of the people in place, that's
not a legitimate war. I mean, the fishing boats is
not a legitimate thing.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I think Peter with Venezuela. It was obvious it was
over the oil, and not so much that wanted the oil,
but he wanted to make sure China and Russia didn't
get the oil. That's that's what that was all about.
China was there when they went and took the guy
there having meetings with the Chis. He was worried about
because you know, the theory behind the Russian Ukraine war
is that Putin completely funded that with oil. Yeah, so
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if you cut the oil off, maybe, you know, maybe
there's a way to stop In from doing what he's done.
But I think they were so scared of Russia or
China get in control of all at oil. He's he's
got control of it now. And Cuba is upset because
apparently Cuba was getting all the Cuba's in trouble of it,
but they have no energy now because they cut them off,
and that's why that happened the other day with that boat.
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Cuba is starting to fight back.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, but I mean the oil politics. There's enough oil
in Russia, and if China was not buying Russian oil
at reduced prices, was China put squeezes them, there will
be no Ukrainian war. Russia funds it through selling oil
to China. Now, when President Trump goes in and says
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we we did it for the oil, no American president
ever said that, no issue. Are we really going to
risk military assets, human beings for oil, No, we're not.
Nobody likes it, and he says it out loud. And
the notion that so China could get it. Chinese got
all the oil they want from Russia. And the thing
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is us stealing other people's oil for whatever reason is
not Klosher and Mike, I know you're shrugging your shoulders,
and I don't want to bully you with my longer sentence,
but I appreciate the discussion for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh yeah, I do too. Here And as I said
at the beginning of this, our system is badly broken
and we've got to fix it because you know, I
remember I had a discussion to you a long time ago.
I was watching a report about the Roman Empire. I
would lasted four hundred and fifty years, and it's no
longer around. We're only at two fifty. We're at a
point now. I think we're at the worst divisive point
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on both sides and we've ever been, and that could
that could destroy the union, and it is destroying the union.
And I don't see anybody trying. Everybody is happy fighting
with each other. And you know the old saying that
Rome fiddle what's his name, the leader fiddled by Rome Burn. Well,
that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And what I would say with Devisor, I would like
to have truth have a higher value in our politics
and having personal whims have less of a rule.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No. One of the problems with that, Peter is once
one side lies, the other one has to compensate. And
that just went. You know, my father told me once,
once you tell that first lie, you're done. You got
to keep lying to keep going, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And I just I mean, I know it's not really
lying about who won the election two thy twenty. I
don't know's that's the fundamental lie, Mike, and it's Donald.
We'll talk about that. Do you believe it what it
was fixed? No, I don't know. I don't think. Mostly
there is no evidence.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I don't know most of the public believes it either.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I know everybody in the cabinet has to say they
believe it. Donald Trump claims he believes this is the.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Longest run for his cabinet. Nobody got fired in a
long time.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
They will swear legions early and thanks Amelia, Mike Queer
over time, and I apologize that it's okay.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
We can fix that. Peter, thanks so much for listening
to all the listeners out there. Poet will be back
next week
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And it's public Gold says, we appreciate you absolutely
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you for us once again. Uncle Mike Hanson is here
to discuss the issues of the day. And I guess
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you know this week the big issue, of course, has
been President of Trump's State of the Union message, and
you know, just last week, I'm a representative, Congressman Ryan
gave a State of the Hudson Valley and it can
be those two things are our agenda more than anything else.
We want to say, Mike, welcome to the show that
you endure all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, Peter, it's always a joy to be with you.
And when Poet is here with her as well. And
it's funny you said, what do you think about having
a discussion about the state of the Union, And I'm
happy to do that. I did watch the entire speech,
and I'm curious to start. Why don't you tell a
little bit about Pat Ryan's address, his State of the
State of the County. I guess the state of his whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He called the state of the Hudson Valley. And you know,
it was at the Family Part and Ship Center in
Poughkeepsie where he has a branch office, one of his
congressional offices there, and it was very It was a
Sunday Sunday, twelve o'clock, and he got a good crowd,
you know, but it's a hard room to fill. The
auditorium era like six fifty and he had maybe four
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hundred people there. It's a lot of people. It's a
lot of people. And in my senses, Congressman Ryan, you know,
he's not like a fair talking, overly gifted political person.
For a lot of our listeners might remember Marcus Molnaro,
who clearly was a gifted political talent. But Pat Ryan,
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he has really grown a lot as a public speaker.
He certainly is he my congressman. And I'm delighted with
the way he his values and the way he votes.
And the issue that he dealt with most prominently, at
least in my mind, was the way in which the
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immigrants in Poughkeepsie and throughout his whole congressional districts are
being treated and you know, I think there's a there's
a national polls or you know, a sixteen percent of
the nation thinks that we're not doing that in the
best way. You know. I mean the President Trump, when
he was campaigning, said two things, and you know he
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says too things a lot which covers a lot of territory,
because well, one of the things he said was we're
going to get rid of the worst of the worst,
and everybody in America is for that basically, you know,
you know, keep the bed ones here. But then he
also said, and you know you saw the big signs
at the Republican Convention saying mass deportation and deportation is
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the opposite of the worst of the work. You know,
if you hear illegally were throwing you out. And you
know the way things have unfolded with the Ice officers
probably not being trained as well as other law enforcement people,
and you know, they've they've had a bad look, and
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the publicity around it has been rough. And you know,
most I think statistically most Americans are not for getting
rid of everybody who's an immigrant. But that was a
conton rise chief thing. The other thing, you know, he
alluded to our President Trump is having a hard time
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telling the truth, which I think is pretty well documented.
Uh and you know, the foreign policy he brushed by.
But it was considered a good speech. And one of
the things that was locally significant was how many of
the local Democrats showed up to be present. You know,
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they announced, you know, it was in the audience and
political elected officials you like to be mentioned. And Pat
Ryan went through the list and it was a lot.
There were three or fifty four people there. One hundred.
No'm weikedt it. It wasn't one hundred war it was
you know, probably twenty five local elected officials were there
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being supportive.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And support for Pat Ryan, the congressman. You know, it's interesting, Peter,
So what first of all, what was what was Congressman
Ryan's solution and to the to the immigrant situation? And
I use that I have a hard time with that
a little bit, Peter, because the people that came across
that border illegally are not immigrants. They were legal aliens.
I'm sorry they broke the law. They came in here illegally.
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I'm going down the road or saying that they should
be beaten to death and throwing through I'm not going
down that road. But we've got to make sure we
keep that clear. They're here illegally, and not only is
that against what our laws are standing for. I always
think about the people that came here legally, you know,
even and I have gone several times to the naturalization
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ceremony and to see how proud these people are that
they took the time to do it the right way
and now they're proud to be American citizens. It's kind
of hitting them in the face a little bit if
you let everybody come across the border after what they
went through to become citizens. I mean that bothers me
more than anything. When I go to those naturalization ceremonies
these people, I think it's fantastic. I wish I could
go to every one of them, because these people have
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worked hard and passed the test by the way a
lot of Americans probably couldn't pass, and now they're proud
to be Americans. They're proud to be part of this country.
And most of them, I will tell you, I think
it's really neat that when you talk to them, they're
proud to be Americans, but they're also proud of their
heritage and where they came from. They don't lose that.
I think that's really important because that's what built this country.
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We wouldn't have this country without immigration. What would be
the size we are.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
In the power? Yeah, I understand what you're talking about,
and I uh, I disagree with a lot of it.
And one of the things is the way the rules
are set up now is that legal immigration, you know,
UH is something that is basically a solidly middle class endeavor.
You have to wait, you appa, you have to wait
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a very long time. It's usually three to five years.
You come. You have to have UH, not only papers
but job prospects. It's a very complicated thing. And people
you know, certainly i'll talk in general as well as
people in Poughkeepsie, which I have a very direct experience with.
They're very poor people. I mean I went down to Wahaca, Mexico,
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and it's basically the people that we have UH in
the Poughkeepsie economy now are people who you know, very
sweeting of a saw a toilet until they got into America,
and you know, the subsistence level people when it comes
to the economics, and they work hard, and you know,
(07:07):
they when the President says you know, they're emptying their
jails and they're doing the mental institutions. It's all just false, okay,
And it's creating a notion that most or a large
percentage of the Latino people you see are not on
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the up and up, and my opinion is it's backs
up in several ways. The people who immigrate really are
the best of the best. I mean, they're the ones
who are in poor, desperately poor circumstances. They get it
together to come to a place where there's opportunity. Because
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there are plenty of people to rob and rape in Mexico.
There are not plenty of jobs in Mexico to get
you to a level that you could actually you even
a decent level. So the notion that they're coming here
for crime makes no sense to me. And the statistics
on that, since the first study was done in nineteen twelve, that's,
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you know, twelve one hundred years ago, the crime among
immigrants is always lower than that of the native of
born population. And that makes sense to me because it's
a death step out of line, you know. And there
are also people who came to work, you know, they,
like I said, there's plenty of people that rob in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You look, it's a different situation in Mexico, lopeter The
law enforcement is different there, and a lot of parts
of Mexico are still like the Wild West. Drug cartels
run Mexico and they are a brutal, brutal bunch, and
they have their own set of laws, so they tend
to make the rules more than the government does. I mean,
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the government appears trying to get the upper hand. But
you saw over the last week or so they had
one of the kingpins was assassinated and all hell broke
loose in Mexico. It was like a world war going
on down there, where we almost wondered if you were
going to have to get the military. You know, anybody
who was in Portaguyarta vacationing was told, you know that
stay inside, don't go anywhere because you're you're going to
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get you know, there's a lot going on. So I
think that there's a little bit of a different culture
in Mexico than there is here when it comes to
the law enforcement. But you know, to me, you know,
any group of people, unfortunately around the world now, if
you take a group of people, there's going to be
some bad people there that that goes anywhere without saying
and those are the people that really needed to be
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vetted out and taken out of here. And I realized
what you're saying that it isn't the twenty million people
that came across the border. It's a much smaller number.
But some of the ones that were here are really
bad and they did commit some crimes. Some people lost
their lives, and the family is involved there they want
to you know, they're saying, you know, you saw the
speech that the gentleman did right before the State of
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the Union where he's you know, he was thinking Trump.
He says, what about you know, he's his The theory
was what about us? What about our families? What? You know,
Americans got to be put first. I think that kind
of carries over and pushes everybody in that direction that
you know what, you know, Americans first, and if you're
not a citizen then you you know, you've got to
be second considered secondly before that. So, I mean it's
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a real dicey situation. And I said to you before
we started that my biggest concern after watching the State
of the Union is this system is so broken and
it's it's so on both sides. Both sides of of
the aisles is broken, and we don't seem to be
trying to fix that. We seem to be letting the
ongoing battle between the two sides go on, and the
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media glorifies it. The media thinks it's entertainment. But in
the meantime, we're going further and further down in that red.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And I would go to several points, but I want
to remind people that they're finally out with Pete and
the poet goal and lucky for Mike, I'm petering it
and your uncle Mike Hanson, and we're on the air
this morning.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know, you and I always have interesting discussions whenever
we're together, well, and they should take an example from
us because we have a lot of opposing views. But
I love you. I mean, you're like a brother. I
think of you as a dear friend, and when we
have disagreements, I still think of you.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
As you know, we're on we're on the feeling side, but.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm saying the way it should be. Both of us
make our points, and sometimes you nod your head and
sometimes I'm not in my head because one of us
makes a point about the other side. But it's just
to me that this system is so broken, Peter, and
it's not getting fixed.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But the system is broke. We're not going to uh
disagree on that. But going back, so let's say Mexico
and some of the other Latin American countries. The fact
that you know, like in Mexico the drug hotels from
you know, all the reporting and all the social sciences.
They have too much power. They run things. So if
you have a nine year old child boy your girl,
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do you really want that kid to get to be
thirteen or fourteen where the boy is going to be
given his real opportunity is going to be to run drugs.
The girls going to have the opportunity in prostitution. I mean,
you're leaving Mexico because you have a will to protect
the kids, to better your own life. And so the
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situation in Mexico is a good reason for people to immigrate.
And they get to America and okay, they cross the
border without papers and I don't like to work alien
although it's technically if one makes some sounding spacemen. But
so you across the border and it's not a felon,
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it's a mistermeanor crime. It's a crime. And you know,
so many of them actually don't even commit a misdemeanor.
They apply for a status and it takes years to
gets to them, and in the meantime they're trying to
work and do whatnot. But is calling them illegal aliens
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puts a stop to the conversation about the humanity that
I don't like the bad guys, the people who do
rob rape and murder. Nobody has sympathy for that. So
when you talk about the worst of the worst, you
have everybody agrees with that. When I say mass deportation, boom,
President Trump, the most articulate defense of Latino Mexicans in
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this case was it only happened for like a day
and a half, but it was only the last, uh,
you know, six months. They were going to have special
status for people working meet packing plants or in agriculture
out in Colorado, I think it was. And President Trump,
the Secretary of Agriculture, made the case, you only need
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the workers and it's and Trump got up, in his
very casual, persuasive way, says, you know, if people don't
have something, they should have me like the papers. Yeah,
we pining for fifteen twenty years. Let's give him a break,
Let's bring him along. And he really just made a
(14:19):
sensible human feeling argument. And then, of course, you know
the immigration people who were fit and Trump took all
that back. But when I swear to deal it, nobody
does it better, and we got to bring him along.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I was fascinated, you know. I saw the commercials for
a while with No m who is the commissioner of
whatever border services, and she shows the line of him
walking on the runway and this, this is your destiny
if you don't go on the app and turn yourself
in egal legally. Well, thinking to myself, that's fine and dandy,
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but they were getting a couple thousand dollars they were
giving them. Yeah, they're giving them a free trip back
to their country and then they were allowed to come
back in legally if they wanted to. So that's such
a such a such a drafted difference between what the
people who didn't go along with this app, and it
to me, I was like, wait a minute, So you're
you're you're you're catching people who came in illegally and
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they shouldn't be here whatever, and maybe that law needs
to be looked at big here. But the law it's
on the books right now. So they are here illegal,
and now you're going to give them money and you're
gonna fly back home and tell them they can come
back to legally if they want to. That doesn't make
any sense to me. Again, think about the people that
went through it legally. But still, I mean, you know,
so there's so much there, there's so much better to you.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
A very open, humane voice makes that sound like a
good deal. In other words, if you came to America,
you risked everything basically to come.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
We're leaving it in a situation and many times that
you didn't want to be in.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Nobody leaves their country when to swell. Okay, but okay,
So we shipped them back because we figured it's easier
for us to spend the one thousand dollars on airfare,
and we do that, and then you can come back collegally.
They can't come back collegally. They are poor people. You
think they're going to become rich in middle class. I mean,
in some case they can't come back in some day.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
When they get home, you get killed or they get
beaten to deaths because what they did. So I mean
I get that part and the other thing that always
fascinates me is whenever we talk about the border, there
is no country in the world other than this country
where people are trying to get in. So many of
the other countries most of them are trying to leave. Right,
So we have a unique situation where we have a
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country that around the world is known as is the
Land of the Free and the land of opportunity, and
it is in a lot of ways. But we have
borders that I guess need to be protected because there's
so many people that want to be here. If you
let the entire population of the world in the here,
we have a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yes, And nobody thinks that you shouldn't have immigration.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The laws need to be revamped.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And I think, but the very notion of open bord
it is is something I've always uh uh not like
that phrase. It's the open border between New Jersey and
New York, right, it's an open border. Nobody checked you
when you are at the Mexican American border. You have
go through processes. You hundreds of people die every year
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in the desert trying to go. Of course, the open
boards they're not open.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well, there's parts of this country up here along our
borders that are so vast that they are not protected
because because nothing lives there, it's almost inhumane to live there.
And unfortunately, people who think that's the only way they
can get in, that's where they go to try to
get in is come across and it's a lot of
what you can't you if you ever showed an aerial
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like with the drones they have now showing how much
of the area you're talking about, No way you protect
all this, of course unless you if you build a
wall like you was talking about, but you'd have to
build a wall all the way around the country because
whatever sections you didn't do it. That's what.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, if you build the wall, they bring a lot
I mean, you know the but the part where you
have people going out into the basically the desert with
worse and a lot of them die, you know. So,
I mean the notion of open borders is not uh,
it's it's a rhetorical mirage. Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And the point I'm trying to culture, what I was
trying to make is in a lot of ways, it's
it's open borders, but it's not. It's not the people
are It's not their fault. There's so much of a
border to protect that we we can't protect them. That
that's part of the problem. And and you know, I
don't have a problem. If somebody who's been in this
country for whatever abound time you want to make three years,
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five years working, supporting themselves, supporting their families, I think
they should be given an opportunity to just become citizens.
I don't think they should be you know, all of
a sudden you catch them, you're laying in wait for
them because you figured out who they were, you know.
But if there's something, I mean, like you said, everybody
agrees if somebody comes to this country and commits a crime,
that's that and nullifies everything condition I know what is,
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and they make like there is, but there is. Nobody
wants those people here. Yeah, but it's just gotten so
far out of control. I wish I wish I had,
I wish I had a solution, Peter, But there's so
many things. Uh. By the way, you're listening to Pet
Poet gold Omical, Mike and Peter, we're having an interesting
discussion about immigration. Is what that's what a lot of
what the State of the Union was about.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And it was also what Pat Ryan's remarks were about.
Predominantly and you know, there's been a huge amount of
reporting about you know, people in Poughkeepsie I that I
know are afraid to go out of the house that
they keeping the kids in school. And Poughkeepsie has not
been targeted the way Newburgh has, uh not yet. And Minneapolis,
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Minneapolis was you know, we all saw things that we
didn't We all saw things we didn't like about America
in Indianapolis, in Minneapolis. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, well, you know one of the problems, Peter is
the media, you know, and the media is going to
show the most glorification of everything. Whatever in the media
can sensential since since you know, uh, sensational life, that's
what they do. That's how they make their money, and
that's how they get their advertisers. Which is really sick
when you think about it, but it is, it's real,
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and but it's just to me. You know, when we
watched that State of the Union, it was an hour
and forty seven minutes. It was a long speech. There
was some highlights. I mean he tried to you know
that celebrating the hockey team was cool, and a couple
of medals of honor that he gave out that was nice.
To be able to do that on that biggest stage.
A lot of times those are ceremonies in able office
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with ten people there. So these people who were celebrated
got world recognition there, but there was so many you know,
I don't know. It was such a dog and pony
show a.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Part of it. You have am of view of that
than I do. In other words, to get people who
watch something for almost two hours, you've got to be
also entertaining. I mean, you know, if you're miss McConnell
or Chuck Schumer and you were a boring person, you know,
that's a way of inflicting a clint of something terrible
on the American people too. Donald Trump is not boring.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, let's face it, Peter, this was the opening of
the midterm elections. This was all He had a purpose
for everything he did. He's trying to make his case
and he had the floor. So he made his case.
And I think the Democrats made a little mistake in
boycotting it, and some of the you know, the two
or three of the women in the squad there were
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screaming during You just that's not going to be a
good look, no matter.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
It's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, you know, and it hurt them. I think I
think so too. But it turned into a long way
away from now. So there's a lot that's gonna happen
between now. But this was the opening round, is what
it was?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes, it was. And let me give you my impressions
of President Trump in the last three months or so.
I watched things closely with him, and in the last
three months I've noticed, or when I say, I have
the impression that he's more likable now than he used
to be, which you know, I politically I really don't
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like what he does. That's not a secret. I am
a very left wing Democrat. But he seems more personable.
His tone is softer, he's speaking at a slower rate,
and he's in my opinion of this, and my interpretation
of that is that he's more authentically who he is.
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I think in the first tournament up to now, he's
been sort of at warraw time with his enemies. But
it was tipped off by his You're not going to
find a more likable political figure than Donald Trump in
the Oval office with the mandami, you know, I mean,
that was just completely gracious. And one of the reporters said, well,
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you know, he said that you're uh an authoritarian and.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Communists.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah yeah, and I know. But one reporter said that
Madam called Trump authoritarian and Trump something was so great,
went to soften it and Trump said just let it go.
Say yeah, and my Domini based with his answer. Of course,
I said that, you know, why wouldn't I and Trump
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was just so open and easy. And after that, my
sense is tone changed. And if you saw the speech,
his last hour was him being likable. The first hour
he was rushing through a bunch of statistics that he
was bored with. I'm trying to make points and Mike,
you know, we don't have to go through every one
of them. But it was a little more true I'm like,
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you know, and his ways of checking the truth. So
but once he settles into being the grand man and
let him put this metal here in this poor guy
killed he'd like.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
To be on stage, he's got and there's an act
of that. I mean, I know you have to win
the audience over, but I just you know that the
speech was long, and to me, all the nonsense about
every time somebody says something good, you got to stay yeah,
I know, says something bad, they got to book that
speech could have been done in forty five minutes if
they got all that out of there. Yeah, but instead
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it's for television and they had to fill the too.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah. But well, so it's for the people. We want
to know what teams are root for. I mean, you
get a football the game over pretty quickly, but you know,
so it's.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Part of even a football football game, Peter is sixty
minutes long. Yeah, actually time of the playing the game,
and it takes three or four hours to sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's five points. It's it's a lot of theater and commercials.
But I have a couple of general points about President
Trump and the things that I, uh dislike about him
the most is I think I he doesn't tell the
truth enough. You know, it might be it is true
(25:04):
that all political figures I will say things that are
shady or maybe not true. You can interpret it that way.
He lies at a higher rate than anybody, including Bill Clinton,
and Bill cultn't lied a lot. Okay, that's one thing,
but the more another profound thing about virtually every policy
he has, it's dependent on how he relates to the
(25:27):
other side personally, so that you know, if he likes you,
you get a soft deal. If he doesn't like you,
get a hard deal. And you know, presidents, of course
have always liked or disliked people, but did not drive policy.
In other words, President Trump's policy is driven more by
his liking or disliking somebody. So in Ukraine, we could
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have solved that a long time ago. He likes putting.
He just putting in the past. Mostly the thing it's
okod is, but it would be with you.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't understand why it's going as long as it's gone.
It seemed like it seemed to me like Russia should
have crushed them in.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
A hurry for three days. She didn't. Yeah, there's a
reason why they didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
We don't really know that reason yet.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, there's lots of theories. And one of the things
Russia is not that strong.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, they were struggling.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
But also, like you say, the thing in Venezuela, everybody
who pays attention you knows that ci Mandura is a strateful,
bad guy. But kidnapping him, which would basically what they
did and the rest of the people in place, that's
not a legitimate war. I mean, the fishing boats is
not a legitimate thing.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I think Peter with Venezuela. It was obvious it was
over the oil, and not so much that wanted the oil,
but he wanted to make sure China and Russia didn't
get the oil. That's that's what that was all about.
China was there when they went and took the guy
there having meetings with the Chis. He was worried about
because you know, the theory behind the Russian Ukraine war
is that Putin completely funded that with oil. Yeah, so
(26:56):
if you cut the oil off, maybe, you know, maybe
there's a way to stop In from doing what he's done.
But I think they were so scared of Russia or
China get in control of all at oil. He's he's
got control of it now. And Cuba is upset because
apparently Cuba was getting all the Cuba's in trouble of it,
but they have no energy now because they cut them off,
and that's why that happened the other day with that boat.
(27:16):
Cuba is starting to fight back.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, but I mean the oil politics. There's enough oil
in Russia, and if China was not buying Russian oil
at reduced prices, was China put squeezes them, there will
be no Ukrainian war. Russia funds it through selling oil
to China. Now, when President Trump goes in and says
(27:39):
we we did it for the oil, no American president
ever said that, no issue. Are we really going to
risk military assets, human beings for oil, No, we're not.
Nobody likes it, and he says it out loud. And
the notion that so China could get it. Chinese got
all the oil they want from Russia. And the thing
(28:00):
is us stealing other people's oil for whatever reason is
not Klosher and Mike, I know you're shrugging your shoulders,
and I don't want to bully you with my longer sentence,
but I appreciate the discussion for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh yeah, I do too. Here And as I said
at the beginning of this, our system is badly broken
and we've got to fix it because you know, I
remember I had a discussion to you a long time ago.
I was watching a report about the Roman Empire. I
would lasted four hundred and fifty years, and it's no
longer around. We're only at two fifty. We're at a
point now. I think we're at the worst divisive point
(28:36):
on both sides and we've ever been, and that could
that could destroy the union, and it is destroying the union.
And I don't see anybody trying. Everybody is happy fighting
with each other. And you know the old saying that
Rome fiddle what's his name, the leader fiddled by Rome Burn. Well,
that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And what I would say with Devisor, I would like
to have truth have a higher value in our politics
and having personal whims have less of a rule.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No. One of the problems with that, Peter is once
one side lies, the other one has to compensate. And
that just went. You know, my father told me once,
once you tell that first lie, you're done. You got
to keep lying to keep going, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And I just I mean, I know it's not really
lying about who won the election two thy twenty. I
don't know's that's the fundamental lie, Mike, and it's Donald.
We'll talk about that. Do you believe it what it
was fixed? No, I don't know. I don't think. Mostly
there is no evidence.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I don't know most of the public believes it either.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I know everybody in the cabinet has to say they
believe it. Donald Trump claims he believes this is the.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Longest run for his cabinet. Nobody got fired in a
long time.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
They will swear legions early and thanks Amelia, Mike Queer
over time, and I apologize that it's okay.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
We can fix that. Peter, thanks so much for listening
to all the listeners out there. Poet will be back
next week
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And it's public Gold says, we appreciate you absolutely
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