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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael am I in the wrong for hoping that Trunk
goes out to the Democrats with every bit of power
that he has to weaponize the DOJ and teach him
a lesson.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, let's draw a this is a great point. I
want to go back to. Well it fits him with cash,
matel there is nothing. Let's first start with what the
problem is. The problem is is that we have an
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administrative state deep state. I don't care what you call
I just think administrative state is historically and politically more
accurate than the deep state. And the reason I say
that is because the administrative state implies that we're governed
by a bunch of technocrats. And of course that's what
Marxism is about. Marxism and fascism is all a bit
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you know, MUSSLINI making training run on time, that the
technocrats always know better than you and I do what's
best for our own lives, and so they come up
with these broad, you know, overreaching, overarching rules and regulations
that govern our lives that have nothing to do with
the legislation. The legislation is written so broadly, and then
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the power to write the rules and regulations to implement
that legislation is given over to these technocrats, and then
so the technocrats right rules that have the full force
of effective law, including civil and criminal penalties, and so
they become effectively a fourth branch of government. Now, generally
you refer to the fourth estate as the as the media,
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but in this case, I'm referring to a literal fourth
branch of government that is unanswerable to anyone, including presidents,
up until a couple of things started happening, and one
of those was the election of Donald Trump. And Donald Trump,
coming in without any previous political elective political experience, looked
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at things and was just and I do think in
his first term in some ways he was out of
control because he was out of his depth. He didn't
understand exactly. I mean, if you've never been involved in
politics and you are an average American, you think the
president has this vast power, But that vast power has
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been and we talk about the imperial presidency. How the
president can just do anything. Is all this power? Well,
the really dirty secret of DC is that over time,
over court rulings and legislation, the Congress has learned that
they can get anything done they wantn't done.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Because they have.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It's not unusual, for example, some of my statfs, some
of my political statu I'm not talking about the civil servants,
although it's true for them too. I just want to
emphasize that it's also true with political appointees. They would
come from the hill, so they might have worked for
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In fact, I just found out that someone who I
have a lot of respect for worked in my Legislative
Affairs division. I didn't just learn she was a former
senator of Bob, a former age senator Bob Dole.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
But she.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Worked for me for a long time. Was my liaison
Capitol Hill. Now why did I choose her? I chose
her because she had experience on the hill. She knew
people on the Hill, so I brought her in as
a political appointee to help run my legislative office. Well,
she's gone on to become she was the chairman of
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the Kansas Bankers Association. She's now a member of the
Federal Reserve. She's gone on to great things. But she's
a great example of someone who but for her deciding
to get out of DC, led her to great things.
Otherwise she would have been like many people on the
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permanent staff and the political staff that came from Capitol Hill.
So these members of Congress know that out in the
departments and agencies they have people that are first and
foremost loyal to them, not to the executive branch, but
to them. So Congress starts writing laws that have these
gaping wide holes in. You could drive You could drive
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twenty mac trucks side by side right through this legislation.
And the legislation says, now, you members that used to
work for us, you could write the rules and regulations.
So the technocrafts could write the rules of regulations and
they had a full force and effective law. In fact,
might even go beyond what the legislation envisioned. But it
didn't make any difference because there was no way to
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hold him accountable until Trump gets elected. Trump gets elected,
he appoints three members of the US Supreme Court, and
they overturned the Chevron doctrine. And the Chevron doctrine basically
said that you give you give deference. Chevron defference is
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what it was called. You give deference to the rules
and regulations written by the administrative state. Because Congress gave
them the power to do so, and so the executive
really didn't have any authority to overrule those rules and
regulations or to rein them in and citizens, private citizens
like you and me didn't have the power to go
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sue except in very limited circumstances. And the Supreme Court,
based on those three new justices, overruled that law standing
kind of way of doing business. So it's one of
the ways that Trump up into DC that's going to
have long term effects. And I believe this sincerely. I
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think him losing in twenty twenty was actually good for
him and good for the country. It was good for
him because it gave him time to reflect and to
understand what did I learn? You don't have time, very
little time as president to reflect because you have so
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many decisions, so many things going on and coming at
you every single day, that there's very little time. And
of course, unless you're like Joe Biden and you're not
there mentally anyway. But for someone who is as quick
on their feet as Donald Trump is, he really probably
had little time to contemplate exactly why am I not
getting things done that I want to get done, and
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of course not understanding things like the Chevron doctrine. He
never thought about that. He just wanted to get conservative.
He just wanted justices on the Supreme Court that would
adhere to what the Constitution says. Well, now he is
beginning to realize they're just going to take really breaking
a lot of the China and the China shop in
order to make in order to truly affect change in
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his last four years. I think that's good for the country,
and I think it's good for him. And this is
what has the Democrats so apoplectic right now, because they're
they're they're beside themselves. Their heads are exploding, They're they're
they're they're they're going to the bathroom in there in
their little studios in New York and in LA and
they're throwing up because they they know what's coming. And
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so they go in and they throw up, and they
come back out all ready to battle again. And this
is the battle that you're going to have. The battle
is going to be played out not just in the
halls of Congress, not just any within the executive branch
and the departments and agencies that can prove as the cabinet.
It's going to take place out in the open because
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they're going to fight the change every way that they can.
Because this is disrupting their way of doing business. If
if you voted for Trump because you wanted to change
the direction of the country, and I don't mean just
on the margins like I always thought we'd have to,
but if you really wanted to change the direction of
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the country and change the way that we do business
in DC, then you're going to get what you wanted.
So you're gonna have to be ready because what's going
to happen is this is going to take place in
your living room. It's going to take place when you
sit down. If you watch the evening news, are you
tuning into CNN, or you tuning into MSNBC, or you
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read anything that the leftists put out, You're you're going
to be tempted to think, oh my gosh, we're going
too far. Well, probably ninety percent of the time I
might be arguing we're not going far enough, But you
know what, we're finally going in the right direction. And
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cash Battel is an example of that. Let me play you.
There was a mention in McCabe's appearance on ms or
CN I think it was on CNN. Yeah, it was CNN,
because who else would hire a disgrace person like Andy McCabe,
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who was part of the corruption that Cash Baatel uncovered
on that House Special Intelligence Committee. Of course he would
be on CNN as legal analysts denigrating Cash Batl and
he mentioned something about Cash Batel was on a podcast
one time and said something about shutting down the FBI building. Well,
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here's what he said.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Then, we need to decrease what I call government creek
with personnel. The FBI's footprint has gotten so frickin' big,
and the biggest problem the FBI has had has come
out of its intel shops.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'd break that component out of it.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building on day one
and reopening the.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Next day as a museum of the Deep State.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And I'd take the seven thousand employees that work in
that building and send them across America to chase down criminals.
Go be cops, your cops, go be cops. Go chase
down murderers and rapists and drug dealers and violent offenders.
What do you need seven thousand people there for same
thing with DOJ. What are all these people doing here?
Looking for the next government promotion, looking for their next
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fancy government title, looking for their parachute out of government.
So while you're bringing in the right people, you also
have to shrink government.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So a massive government reform.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, you got to work with Congress to eliminate the billets.
This is one of the things we did. When I
was deputy DNI got to DNI and I was like, Okay,
what all these people do? We've got the CIA, So
why do I have analysts doing the CIA's job here?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Why do I have a flour of them? Like, give
me a good answer. I don't know everything.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I don't know a lot, but if you can give
me an answer that satisfies their existence, them all in.
But we just have our own people. Okay, well now
we don't. We went to Congress and zero out a
bunch of billits and they hated.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Us for it. Why why would congressate you for that?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Not Congress, though the public Congress is like, great, you
saved this money. You're the only agency that returned money
this year because we didn't spend our entire budget. We
were literally funding seats with no humans in them for years.
And what the government creep that I was talking about
is these agencies go to Congress every year and again
that's is why it's a thing of decades. I need
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five more seats here, I need ten more seats here. Okay,
you keep doing that. How's that going on. We'll fill
that seat next year. We're in the process of, you know,
interviewing people for that section, and they keeps No one
returns money. It's the biggest fiction in government that you
can't return money. Every agency and department that I've ever
worked for, when it comes to the fiscal end of
the year, they're like, go on trips, go spend money.
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What just give it back to Congress.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
We can't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Now, his I think it's a little hyperbole about completely
shutting down the Hoover Building and scattering them all to
the winds. You do have chemists, you do have forensics experts,
you do have analysts. You do have people that, for example,
just have to handle personnel issues. Now I'm not saying
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they all have to be in the Hoover Building, but
you can't necessarily scatter them to the winds. Some of
those people need to actually work as a cohesive unit somewhere,
So maybe you send them a quantico or maybe you
keep some of them in the Hoover building.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean the building's going to be there, and.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I know, I get the joke about turning it into
a museum for the deep state. What would you do
just have it completely empty and people come in and
just see how hollow the federal goes. So that's a
little bit of hyperbole, but that's what you do when
you talk about I mean, you have to go to
an extreme to get what you really want, which according
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to him is let's just get rid of these he
calls them seats. I call them personnel. Let's just get
rid of the seats. But he's he's technically correct about
seats and billets. That's what they fear. That's what they fear.
And he's shown that he's willing. Not only has he
shown that he's willing to do that, which he did
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at the at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,
which which was a great point. He asked, why do
we have analysts here when we have analysts at the
c I A and we're supposed to simply be the
clearing house for until we have analysts analyzing the analysts.
I mean, that's that's essentially what they were doing at
the d n I analysts analyzing the analysis. I don't
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need that, or if I do it, I need twenty
of them, I might need two of them. That's what
they fear, and that's what he's that's what he's wanting
to do, and he's shown that he can do it.
That's why people within the FBI are so fearful of
this guy. And this is why I'm singing his praises.
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When I look, I go back to that memo, that
twenty eighteen memo. It's easy to forget, but when that
memo came out, the cabal just landed like flies on
a turd. They were just determined to destroy that memo
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because it exposed the corruption in the whole Russia coclusion hoax.
It disclosed and it took a gigantic spotlight and put
it on the abuses within the PHISA Court and the
PISA warrants that were used to spy on Trump and
the Trump campaign. It showed a light on the Steele dossier,
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the use of Fusion GPS using federal money to hire
a disgruntled former m I five, m I six person
to create a dossier that they could use against Trump.
And so that's where we get. You know that Trump
hired a bunch of hoes to come to a hotel
in Moscow and piss on the bed. I mean, it's
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it's it's it was a You think back on it,
it was absurd. Then you think back on it, knowing
that it was false, you think, how could we have
fallen for that in the first place, and how is
it that the deep state in the Cabal would come
back would argue that, oh, no, this memo is completely
this this is just this is crazy stuff. No, that's
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hard work that he and Devin Nunez put together. That's
why they fear him, and that's why they want him
out of there, because he is a threat to their existence.
That's the battle that's going to be fought, and that's
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the battle that you're going to have to gird yourself
against because the Cabal is going to throw everything they can,
including some Republican members of the Senate. Who will you
know who comes to my mind immediately, Bill Cassidy down,
Senator Cassidy and downa Louisiana, Lisa Murkowski and Alaska, Susan
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Collins and Maine, and I'm sure there might be a
couple of others, but we just need we just need
fifty one. So he'll get he will get confirmed, I believe,
and he will be an exemplar for the rest of
the appointees of what to do and how to do it.
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Do you get the idea I'm a look excited about
Cash Btel. I am because he's got the gumption to
do exactly what needs to be done, and there's no
better place to start than the DJ. Now, one last
point I want to make about the talk Dragon. Can
you pull that talk back up?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Michael?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Am I in the wrong for hoping that Trunk goes
out to the Democrats with every bit of power that
he has to weaponize the DOJ and teach him a lesson.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
No, And that's where I got off track talking about
Cash Battel. So if you go back and think about
everything I just said about what he wants to do,
none of that is retribution. Retribution is going after somebody
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for that, not necessarily even unjustified. Maybe they're justified in
doing what they're doing. You're just going after them because
they came after you. That's all what's going on here now.
In Trump's mind, he may want retribution, but what he's
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doing and there's nothing wrong with us wanting this and
that is to clean up the corruption when you have
an FBI and a Department of Justice that even the
president of the current President of the United States, in
his pardoning statement for his son, says that his son
was selectively and I've already closed that tab. Selectively and
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something he was singled out for prosecution because of who
he was, is basically admitting that, Oh, so he was
treated differently than somebody else. So Joe Biden was admitting
that the Department of Justice and going after a son
was not acting fairly, was not acting under the rule
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of law, was not acting with due process. Now, whether
you believe that or not, sy material.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Selectively and unfairly prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yes, selectively and unfairly prosecuted. Whether you believe that or not,
is im material Because the President of the United States
says that's what he believes, and that's what he thinks
the Department of Justice was doing, was selectively and unfairly
prosecuting his son.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
So I'm going to pardon.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Probably would have pardoned him without that. I don't know
why I put that language in there, because by putting
that language in there, he's admitting that the Department of Justice.
If you if you buy his argument, and again you
don't have to, but I'm going to take him at
face value, and I'm going to take him at face
value and say he believes that his son was unfairly
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selective selected for prosecution. Okay, well, then that means that
you have a Department of Justice that doesn't treat people
equally fairly under the law, and you're not giving them
due process. So you're admitting that the DOJ and the
FBI are corrupt and need to be cleaned up. All right,
I'll take that. Now. If that's the case, then you're
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not looking for retribution, You're looking to clean the place up. Now,
if that means that the people that unfairly came after
Donald Trump end up getting in trouble, well that's not
because of retribution. That's because they acted outside the law.
That's because they didn't use due process, they didn't follow
standard procedures, protocols, they didn't do what they were supposed
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to do. In fact, we know, again based on cash
Hotal's twenty eighteen memo, that they fabricated the evidence against
Trump for both the criminal prosecutions and for the impeachments.
And speaking of fabricating, we know for a fact, now
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that in the documents case down in Florida, that they
not only manipulated the evidence so that they you know,
they remember the picture of the of the boxes, of
the banker's boxes sitting out there on a on a
stage somewhere at mar Lago stage photograph. Yeah, it's like
a bunch of de agents that have you know, gotten
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a bunch of you know, heroin and fentanyl and coke
and everything, and they line it up on a on
a big folding table and they all stand behind it
all with their arms crossed, all proud about Look how
much looks. Look how much drugs that we confiscated. Yeah,
I didn't put a dent in anything, but you're proud
of it. So so what Well, the FBI essentially did
the same thing with documents, with classified documents, nonetheless, and
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then when they started doing the inventory, seems that they
are missing some things. Well where did they go? Now
that case is dismissed, So many of those things are moved.
But the people who engage in that activity need to
be held accountable. And the system, the structure of the
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FBI and the DOJ that allowed that to occur, up
to and including the leadership that signed off on most
of this stuff. Again, going back to the twenty eighteen
memo from Cash Bettel, we know that, indeed that Christopher
Ray and Jane and Jim Comer were involved in that.
Comy were involved in that, and they need to be
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held accountable. How often do we bitch and moan about
the lack of accountability? Now we're going to get some.
And that's why those on the other side are screaming
like stuck pigs. And that's why even some on our
side are screaming like stuck pigs because they've lived for
so long inside that bubble just getting done what they've done,
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want done. All they care about is getting re elected
so they can continue to exercise their power, go to
their little cocktail parties, enjoy all of their lobbyist funded trips,
do all of that stuff. They don't care about you. Oh,
they'll talk about it, but they really don't. They just
care about getting re elected. And now comes along a
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guy that tried, once got beat, had time to think
about it, had time to contemplate it, had time to realize,
here's what really needs to be done. Do you think
he sat around for four years and didn't do anything.
He sat around for four years and probably sat down,
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starting starting with his chief of staff, starting with his
campaign team, and said, Okay, what do we do wrong
last time? And not just in terms of the campaign,
but what we do what did we do wrong in
terms of governing? And if they come after us again?
You know now, of course it's gonna be hard to
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come after him again because we have majorities for at
least two years. How do we now advance this ball
down the field? And they've got a plan, and that
plan is revealing itself with every single nomination. Now I'm
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as excited about Chelsea Gabbard as I am about Cash Ptel.
I'm as excited about almost all of them. I'm okay
with Pete Hegseath as the Secretary of Defense, but I
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worry about him having the bandwidth himself to do what
needs to be done deep inside the bureaucracy. Now, do
not misunderstand me support Pete Higgs, and I wish him
well and I think he'll get confirmed. But I want
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to compare and contrast for just a moment, the deep
understanding of what it's going to take as the head
of the FBI to clean that place up that cash
Battel has based on his experience, he knows that to
get through all of those really thick layers of this
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gigantic German chocolate cake that is just stacked and stacked
and stacked on each other, that to really get down
to the plate and to drill down through all of
that is not just taking a warm cake knife and
cutting through it. He's going to have to drill through,
throw pieces out upside down, push things aside. He's really
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going to have and he's going to have to have
a team to do that. He has shown that he
understands that. I worry that Pete Hegsath doesn't understand that,
and so I worry about Now. I don't know who
his deputy secretary will be, but he needs a really
strong deputy Secretary of Defense, and he's going to need
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secretaries of the different branches of the Air Force, the Army.
He's going to have the joint chiefs of Staff. The
entire command structure at DoD is going to have to
be on the same sheet of music that Pete Haigesath
is on to carry that out for him. Go back
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to go back to the FBI and doj for a moment.
You see with the combination of Pam Bondi as Attorney General,
who has the experience, the depth of knowledge of how
the government operates, and with Trump's personal attorney in there
as her deputy, that's a great backup and support system
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for what Cash Patel needs to do at the FBI.
So you'll now have this this mixture of people coming
together that know what they're trying to accomplish, and they
know they're on a short string. They've only got two
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years to really get as far as they can before
we run the risk, and there is a risk. History
shows us that the party in power generally loses seats
in Congress in the midterms, particularly after they're well, I
shouldn't say particularly, but almost always the party in power
loses seats in the midterms. Not always, but historically that's
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the average. So they know they've got at least two years.
So they've got to work fast, hard and furious for
two years. Now. If we retain the majorities in twenty
twenty six, and that gives them another two years, and
they keep moving down that they keep pushing this correction,
this course correction, through four years instead of just two years.
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That sets up twenty twenty eight, and the administrative state
and the technocrats and everybody in the cabal will come
after them like nuclear warfare. That's what it will be.
ICBMs floating everywhere, incoming all the all the time. So
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this is going to be played out in front of you,
because now they have to get you worried, handwringing, oh,
gritting your teeth like, oh, maybe this is a little
too much. You have to prepare for this because they're
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going to need the support of a you know, I
talked to on them. I'll do this after the break.
I'll tell you what I talked about over the weekend
that I heard from somebody in the newsroom, which is
a lesson for all of us. I'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I think the one thing, Michael, that you're forgetting is
when this plays out in front of the public, you're
going to get those voters that actually see what all
the lies were when Trump was in office the first
time that will become his supporters.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I hope you're right, but I'm a little more cynical
about the American public that now you obviously, and I
think this audience in general is much smarter and wiser
than that I think that, as I've said before, I've
always wanted to find evidence that the country really was
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more right of center than the cabal have us believe,
and I think we saw that in this election. One
of the things that I mentioned, and this is an
example of what I mean about kind of the general public.
So on the nationally syndicated program on Saturday, I talked
about how I had there's a map and you can
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you can go search it and find it. But it
shows how every state in the country now, some more
than others, some barely so, but generally every state in
the Union went read doesn't mean Trump won, but the
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number of Republican voters versus this year versus the number
of Republican voters four years ago was greater than it
was four years ago. So there was a shift to
the right. And so it shows this map show every
state and some is you know, almost pinkish colored, and
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some is kind of deep red. But there was a
just imagine these swirls of red from left to right
across superimposed across a map of the United States, and
the color and the shade varies depending on the number
of increased voters that voted Republican versus last time, and
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you'll see this shift to the right. To me, that's
empirical evidence that we are basically a right of center country.
So in the newsroom today, someone who listens to a
replay of the of the of the National Program came
to me and said, Wow, I looked up that map.
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I had never thought about that. I had never seen it.
But you're right, the country shifted to the right. Yes,
never underestimate the though the power of your enemy, because
you do so at your own risk. The cabal is
they're ready. I mean, they're all ready out for blood.
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Rick Klein over on MSNBC this morning, uh said, I'm sorry,
it was not this morning, it was yesterday. ABC. I
get the wrong one up ABC, George Stephanopolis. Rick Klein
said this, We've had a lot of controversial picks.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Cash Ptel has to top the list.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Start with the fact that he is creating the vacancy
in order to fill it because he's got is the
fire the FBI director that he selected to replace the
last FBI director.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Let's just stop him just thinking about for the uninitiated,
for the uneducated, for the ignorant out there. That alone said, oh, oh,
he's having to fire somebody to put his own person in.
That just seems wrong, doesn't It now doesn't to you
and me. But I'm just telling you there are people
out there. They will hear that and think, oh see
this is bad your job. Will you run across those people?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Is the education
Michael am I in the wrong for hoping that Trunk
goes out to the Democrats with every bit of power
that he has to weaponize the DOJ and teach him
a lesson.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, let's draw a this is a great point. I
want to go back to. Well it fits him with cash,
matel there is nothing. Let's first start with what the
problem is. The problem is is that we have an
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administrative state deep state. I don't care what you call
I just think administrative state is historically and politically more
accurate than the deep state. And the reason I say
that is because the administrative state implies that we're governed
by a bunch of technocrats. And of course that's what
Marxism is about. Marxism and fascism is all a bit
(00:59):
you know, MUSSLINI making training run on time, that the
technocrats always know better than you and I do what's
best for our own lives, and so they come up
with these broad, you know, overreaching, overarching rules and regulations
that govern our lives that have nothing to do with
the legislation. The legislation is written so broadly, and then
(01:19):
the power to write the rules and regulations to implement
that legislation is given over to these technocrats, and then
so the technocrats right rules that have the full force
of effective law, including civil and criminal penalties, and so
they become effectively a fourth branch of government. Now, generally
you refer to the fourth estate as the as the media,
(01:41):
but in this case, I'm referring to a literal fourth
branch of government that is unanswerable to anyone, including presidents,
up until a couple of things started happening, and one
of those was the election of Donald Trump. And Donald Trump,
coming in without any previous political elective political experience, looked
(02:07):
at things and was just and I do think in
his first term in some ways he was out of
control because he was out of his depth. He didn't
understand exactly. I mean, if you've never been involved in
politics and you are an average American, you think the
president has this vast power, But that vast power has
(02:32):
been and we talk about the imperial presidency. How the
president can just do anything. Is all this power? Well,
the really dirty secret of DC is that over time,
over court rulings and legislation, the Congress has learned that
they can get anything done they wantn't done.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Because they have.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It's not unusual, for example, some of my statfs, some
of my political statu I'm not talking about the civil servants,
although it's true for them too. I just want to
emphasize that it's also true with political appointees. They would
come from the hill, so they might have worked for
(03:18):
In fact, I just found out that someone who I
have a lot of respect for worked in my Legislative
Affairs division. I didn't just learn she was a former
senator of Bob, a former age senator Bob Dole.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
But she.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Worked for me for a long time. Was my liaison
Capitol Hill. Now why did I choose her? I chose
her because she had experience on the hill. She knew
people on the Hill, so I brought her in as
a political appointee to help run my legislative office. Well,
she's gone on to become she was the chairman of
(04:03):
the Kansas Bankers Association. She's now a member of the
Federal Reserve. She's gone on to great things. But she's
a great example of someone who but for her deciding
to get out of DC, led her to great things.
Otherwise she would have been like many people on the
(04:25):
permanent staff and the political staff that came from Capitol Hill.
So these members of Congress know that out in the
departments and agencies they have people that are first and
foremost loyal to them, not to the executive branch, but
to them. So Congress starts writing laws that have these
gaping wide holes in. You could drive You could drive
(04:48):
twenty mac trucks side by side right through this legislation.
And the legislation says, now, you members that used to
work for us, you could write the rules and regulations.
So the technocrafts could write the rules of regulations and
they had a full force and effective law. In fact,
might even go beyond what the legislation envisioned. But it
didn't make any difference because there was no way to
(05:08):
hold him accountable until Trump gets elected. Trump gets elected,
he appoints three members of the US Supreme Court, and
they overturned the Chevron doctrine. And the Chevron doctrine basically
said that you give you give deference. Chevron defference is
(05:31):
what it was called. You give deference to the rules
and regulations written by the administrative state. Because Congress gave
them the power to do so, and so the executive
really didn't have any authority to overrule those rules and
regulations or to rein them in and citizens, private citizens
like you and me didn't have the power to go
(05:51):
sue except in very limited circumstances. And the Supreme Court,
based on those three new justices, overruled that law standing
kind of way of doing business. So it's one of
the ways that Trump up into DC that's going to
have long term effects. And I believe this sincerely. I
(06:12):
think him losing in twenty twenty was actually good for
him and good for the country. It was good for
him because it gave him time to reflect and to
understand what did I learn? You don't have time, very
little time as president to reflect because you have so
(06:34):
many decisions, so many things going on and coming at
you every single day, that there's very little time. And
of course, unless you're like Joe Biden and you're not
there mentally anyway. But for someone who is as quick
on their feet as Donald Trump is, he really probably
had little time to contemplate exactly why am I not
getting things done that I want to get done, and
(06:54):
of course not understanding things like the Chevron doctrine. He
never thought about that. He just wanted to get conservative.
He just wanted justices on the Supreme Court that would
adhere to what the Constitution says. Well, now he is
beginning to realize they're just going to take really breaking
a lot of the China and the China shop in
order to make in order to truly affect change in
(07:19):
his last four years. I think that's good for the country,
and I think it's good for him. And this is
what has the Democrats so apoplectic right now, because they're
they're they're beside themselves. Their heads are exploding, They're they're
they're they're they're going to the bathroom in there in
their little studios in New York and in LA and
they're throwing up because they they know what's coming. And
(07:44):
so they go in and they throw up, and they
come back out all ready to battle again. And this
is the battle that you're going to have. The battle
is going to be played out not just in the
halls of Congress, not just any within the executive branch
and the departments and agencies that can prove as the cabinet.
It's going to take place out in the open because
(08:06):
they're going to fight the change every way that they can.
Because this is disrupting their way of doing business. If
if you voted for Trump because you wanted to change
the direction of the country, and I don't mean just
on the margins like I always thought we'd have to,
but if you really wanted to change the direction of
(08:27):
the country and change the way that we do business
in DC, then you're going to get what you wanted.
So you're gonna have to be ready because what's going
to happen is this is going to take place in
your living room. It's going to take place when you
sit down. If you watch the evening news, are you
tuning into CNN, or you tuning into MSNBC, or you
(08:48):
read anything that the leftists put out, You're you're going
to be tempted to think, oh my gosh, we're going
too far. Well, probably ninety percent of the time I
might be arguing we're not going far enough, But you
know what, we're finally going in the right direction. And
(09:09):
cash Battel is an example of that. Let me play you.
There was a mention in McCabe's appearance on ms or
CN I think it was on CNN. Yeah, it was CNN,
because who else would hire a disgrace person like Andy McCabe,
(09:32):
who was part of the corruption that Cash Baatel uncovered
on that House Special Intelligence Committee. Of course he would
be on CNN as legal analysts denigrating Cash Batl and
he mentioned something about Cash Batel was on a podcast
one time and said something about shutting down the FBI building. Well,
(09:52):
here's what he said.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Then, we need to decrease what I call government creek
with personnel. The FBI's footprint has gotten so frickin' big,
and the biggest problem the FBI has had has come
out of its intel shops.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'd break that component out of it.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building on day one
and reopening the.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Next day as a museum of the Deep State.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And I'd take the seven thousand employees that work in
that building and send them across America to chase down criminals.
Go be cops, your cops, go be cops. Go chase
down murderers and rapists and drug dealers and violent offenders.
What do you need seven thousand people there for same
thing with DOJ. What are all these people doing here?
Looking for the next government promotion, looking for their next
(10:37):
fancy government title, looking for their parachute out of government.
So while you're bringing in the right people, you also
have to shrink government.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So a massive government reform.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, you got to work with Congress to eliminate the billets.
This is one of the things we did. When I
was deputy DNI got to DNI and I was like, Okay,
what all these people do? We've got the CIA, So
why do I have analysts doing the CIA's job here?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Why do I have a flour of them? Like, give
me a good answer. I don't know everything.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I don't know a lot, but if you can give
me an answer that satisfies their existence, them all in.
But we just have our own people. Okay, well now
we don't. We went to Congress and zero out a
bunch of billits and they hated.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Us for it. Why why would congressate you for that?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Not Congress, though the public Congress is like, great, you
saved this money. You're the only agency that returned money
this year because we didn't spend our entire budget. We
were literally funding seats with no humans in them for years.
And what the government creep that I was talking about
is these agencies go to Congress every year and again
that's is why it's a thing of decades. I need
(11:43):
five more seats here, I need ten more seats here. Okay,
you keep doing that. How's that going on. We'll fill
that seat next year. We're in the process of, you know,
interviewing people for that section, and they keeps No one
returns money. It's the biggest fiction in government that you
can't return money. Every agency and department that I've ever
worked for, when it comes to the fiscal end of
the year, they're like, go on trips, go spend money.
(12:04):
What just give it back to Congress.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
We can't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Now, his I think it's a little hyperbole about completely
shutting down the Hoover Building and scattering them all to
the winds. You do have chemists, you do have forensics experts,
you do have analysts. You do have people that, for example,
just have to handle personnel issues. Now I'm not saying
(12:33):
they all have to be in the Hoover Building, but
you can't necessarily scatter them to the winds. Some of
those people need to actually work as a cohesive unit somewhere,
So maybe you send them a quantico or maybe you
keep some of them in the Hoover building.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean the building's going to be there, and.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I know, I get the joke about turning it into
a museum for the deep state. What would you do
just have it completely empty and people come in and
just see how hollow the federal goes. So that's a
little bit of hyperbole, but that's what you do when
you talk about I mean, you have to go to
an extreme to get what you really want, which according
(13:11):
to him is let's just get rid of these he
calls them seats. I call them personnel. Let's just get
rid of the seats. But he's he's technically correct about
seats and billets. That's what they fear. That's what they fear.
And he's shown that he's willing. Not only has he
shown that he's willing to do that, which he did
(13:32):
at the at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,
which which was a great point. He asked, why do
we have analysts here when we have analysts at the
c I A and we're supposed to simply be the
clearing house for until we have analysts analyzing the analysts.
I mean, that's that's essentially what they were doing at
the d n I analysts analyzing the analysis. I don't
(13:56):
need that, or if I do it, I need twenty
of them, I might need two of them. That's what
they fear, and that's what he's that's what he's wanting
to do, and he's shown that he can do it.
That's why people within the FBI are so fearful of
this guy. And this is why I'm singing his praises.
(14:20):
When I look, I go back to that memo, that
twenty eighteen memo. It's easy to forget, but when that
memo came out, the cabal just landed like flies on
a turd. They were just determined to destroy that memo
(14:43):
because it exposed the corruption in the whole Russia coclusion hoax.
It disclosed and it took a gigantic spotlight and put
it on the abuses within the PHISA Court and the
PISA warrants that were used to spy on Trump and
the Trump campaign. It showed a light on the Steele dossier,
(15:09):
the use of Fusion GPS using federal money to hire
a disgruntled former m I five, m I six person
to create a dossier that they could use against Trump.
And so that's where we get. You know that Trump
hired a bunch of hoes to come to a hotel
in Moscow and piss on the bed. I mean, it's
(15:32):
it's it's it was a You think back on it,
it was absurd. Then you think back on it, knowing
that it was false, you think, how could we have
fallen for that in the first place, and how is
it that the deep state in the Cabal would come
back would argue that, oh, no, this memo is completely
this this is just this is crazy stuff. No, that's
(15:55):
hard work that he and Devin Nunez put together. That's
why they fear him, and that's why they want him
out of there, because he is a threat to their existence.
That's the battle that's going to be fought, and that's
(16:15):
the battle that you're going to have to gird yourself
against because the Cabal is going to throw everything they can,
including some Republican members of the Senate. Who will you
know who comes to my mind immediately, Bill Cassidy down,
Senator Cassidy and downa Louisiana, Lisa Murkowski and Alaska, Susan
(16:39):
Collins and Maine, and I'm sure there might be a
couple of others, but we just need we just need
fifty one. So he'll get he will get confirmed, I believe,
and he will be an exemplar for the rest of
the appointees of what to do and how to do it.
(17:01):
Do you get the idea I'm a look excited about
Cash Btel. I am because he's got the gumption to
do exactly what needs to be done, and there's no
better place to start than the DJ. Now, one last
point I want to make about the talk Dragon. Can
you pull that talk back up?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Michael?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Am I in the wrong for hoping that Trunk goes
out to the Democrats with every bit of power that
he has to weaponize the DOJ and teach him a lesson.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
No, And that's where I got off track talking about
Cash Battel. So if you go back and think about
everything I just said about what he wants to do,
none of that is retribution. Retribution is going after somebody
(17:55):
for that, not necessarily even unjustified. Maybe they're justified in
doing what they're doing. You're just going after them because
they came after you. That's all what's going on here now.
In Trump's mind, he may want retribution, but what he's
(18:16):
doing and there's nothing wrong with us wanting this and
that is to clean up the corruption when you have
an FBI and a Department of Justice that even the
president of the current President of the United States, in
his pardoning statement for his son, says that his son
was selectively and I've already closed that tab. Selectively and
(18:43):
something he was singled out for prosecution because of who
he was, is basically admitting that, Oh, so he was
treated differently than somebody else. So Joe Biden was admitting
that the Department of Justice and going after a son
was not acting fairly, was not acting under the rule
(19:05):
of law, was not acting with due process. Now, whether
you believe that or not, sy material.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Selectively and unfairly prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yes, selectively and unfairly prosecuted. Whether you believe that or not,
is im material Because the President of the United States
says that's what he believes, and that's what he thinks
the Department of Justice was doing, was selectively and unfairly
prosecuting his son.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
So I'm going to pardon.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Probably would have pardoned him without that. I don't know
why I put that language in there, because by putting
that language in there, he's admitting that the Department of Justice.
If you if you buy his argument, and again you
don't have to, but I'm going to take him at
face value, and I'm going to take him at face
value and say he believes that his son was unfairly
(19:55):
selective selected for prosecution. Okay, well, then that means that
you have a Department of Justice that doesn't treat people
equally fairly under the law, and you're not giving them
due process. So you're admitting that the DOJ and the
FBI are corrupt and need to be cleaned up. All right,
I'll take that. Now. If that's the case, then you're
(20:21):
not looking for retribution, You're looking to clean the place up. Now,
if that means that the people that unfairly came after
Donald Trump end up getting in trouble, well that's not
because of retribution. That's because they acted outside the law.
That's because they didn't use due process, they didn't follow
standard procedures, protocols, they didn't do what they were supposed
(20:44):
to do. In fact, we know, again based on cash
Hotal's twenty eighteen memo, that they fabricated the evidence against
Trump for both the criminal prosecutions and for the impeachments.
And speaking of fabricating, we know for a fact, now
(21:04):
that in the documents case down in Florida, that they
not only manipulated the evidence so that they you know,
they remember the picture of the of the boxes, of
the banker's boxes sitting out there on a on a
stage somewhere at mar Lago stage photograph. Yeah, it's like
a bunch of de agents that have you know, gotten
(21:26):
a bunch of you know, heroin and fentanyl and coke
and everything, and they line it up on a on
a big folding table and they all stand behind it
all with their arms crossed, all proud about Look how
much looks. Look how much drugs that we confiscated. Yeah,
I didn't put a dent in anything, but you're proud
of it. So so what Well, the FBI essentially did
the same thing with documents, with classified documents, nonetheless, and
(21:50):
then when they started doing the inventory, seems that they
are missing some things. Well where did they go? Now
that case is dismissed, So many of those things are moved.
But the people who engage in that activity need to
be held accountable. And the system, the structure of the
(22:10):
FBI and the DOJ that allowed that to occur, up
to and including the leadership that signed off on most
of this stuff. Again, going back to the twenty eighteen
memo from Cash Bettel, we know that, indeed that Christopher
Ray and Jane and Jim Comer were involved in that.
Comy were involved in that, and they need to be
(22:31):
held accountable. How often do we bitch and moan about
the lack of accountability? Now we're going to get some.
And that's why those on the other side are screaming
like stuck pigs. And that's why even some on our
side are screaming like stuck pigs because they've lived for
so long inside that bubble just getting done what they've done,
(22:56):
want done. All they care about is getting re elected
so they can continue to exercise their power, go to
their little cocktail parties, enjoy all of their lobbyist funded trips,
do all of that stuff. They don't care about you. Oh,
they'll talk about it, but they really don't. They just
care about getting re elected. And now comes along a
(23:21):
guy that tried, once got beat, had time to think
about it, had time to contemplate it, had time to realize,
here's what really needs to be done. Do you think
he sat around for four years and didn't do anything.
He sat around for four years and probably sat down,
(23:42):
starting starting with his chief of staff, starting with his
campaign team, and said, Okay, what do we do wrong
last time? And not just in terms of the campaign,
but what we do what did we do wrong in
terms of governing? And if they come after us again?
You know now, of course it's gonna be hard to
(24:03):
come after him again because we have majorities for at
least two years. How do we now advance this ball
down the field? And they've got a plan, and that
plan is revealing itself with every single nomination. Now I'm
(24:23):
as excited about Chelsea Gabbard as I am about Cash Ptel.
I'm as excited about almost all of them. I'm okay
with Pete Hegseath as the Secretary of Defense, but I
(24:45):
worry about him having the bandwidth himself to do what
needs to be done deep inside the bureaucracy. Now, do
not misunderstand me support Pete Higgs, and I wish him
well and I think he'll get confirmed. But I want
(25:05):
to compare and contrast for just a moment, the deep
understanding of what it's going to take as the head
of the FBI to clean that place up that cash
Battel has based on his experience, he knows that to
get through all of those really thick layers of this
(25:30):
gigantic German chocolate cake that is just stacked and stacked
and stacked on each other, that to really get down
to the plate and to drill down through all of
that is not just taking a warm cake knife and
cutting through it. He's going to have to drill through,
throw pieces out upside down, push things aside. He's really
(25:53):
going to have and he's going to have to have
a team to do that. He has shown that he
understands that. I worry that Pete Hegsath doesn't understand that,
and so I worry about Now. I don't know who
his deputy secretary will be, but he needs a really
strong deputy Secretary of Defense, and he's going to need
(26:16):
secretaries of the different branches of the Air Force, the Army.
He's going to have the joint chiefs of Staff. The
entire command structure at DoD is going to have to
be on the same sheet of music that Pete Haigesath
is on to carry that out for him. Go back
(26:39):
to go back to the FBI and doj for a moment.
You see with the combination of Pam Bondi as Attorney General,
who has the experience, the depth of knowledge of how
the government operates, and with Trump's personal attorney in there
as her deputy, that's a great backup and support system
(27:03):
for what Cash Patel needs to do at the FBI.
So you'll now have this this mixture of people coming
together that know what they're trying to accomplish, and they
know they're on a short string. They've only got two
(27:24):
years to really get as far as they can before
we run the risk, and there is a risk. History
shows us that the party in power generally loses seats
in Congress in the midterms, particularly after they're well, I
shouldn't say particularly, but almost always the party in power
loses seats in the midterms. Not always, but historically that's
(27:47):
the average. So they know they've got at least two years.
So they've got to work fast, hard and furious for
two years. Now. If we retain the majorities in twenty
twenty six, and that gives them another two years, and
they keep moving down that they keep pushing this correction,
this course correction, through four years instead of just two years.
(28:14):
That sets up twenty twenty eight, and the administrative state
and the technocrats and everybody in the cabal will come
after them like nuclear warfare. That's what it will be.
ICBMs floating everywhere, incoming all the all the time. So
(28:40):
this is going to be played out in front of you,
because now they have to get you worried, handwringing, oh,
gritting your teeth like, oh, maybe this is a little
too much. You have to prepare for this because they're
(29:01):
going to need the support of a you know, I
talked to on them. I'll do this after the break.
I'll tell you what I talked about over the weekend
that I heard from somebody in the newsroom, which is
a lesson for all of us. I'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I think the one thing, Michael, that you're forgetting is
when this plays out in front of the public, you're
going to get those voters that actually see what all
the lies were when Trump was in office the first
time that will become his supporters.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I hope you're right, but I'm a little more cynical
about the American public that now you obviously, and I
think this audience in general is much smarter and wiser
than that I think that, as I've said before, I've
always wanted to find evidence that the country really was
(29:57):
more right of center than the cabal have us believe,
and I think we saw that in this election. One
of the things that I mentioned, and this is an
example of what I mean about kind of the general public.
So on the nationally syndicated program on Saturday, I talked
about how I had there's a map and you can
(30:22):
you can go search it and find it. But it
shows how every state in the country now, some more
than others, some barely so, but generally every state in
the Union went read doesn't mean Trump won, but the
(30:44):
number of Republican voters versus this year versus the number
of Republican voters four years ago was greater than it
was four years ago. So there was a shift to
the right. And so it shows this map show every
state and some is you know, almost pinkish colored, and
(31:05):
some is kind of deep red. But there was a
just imagine these swirls of red from left to right
across superimposed across a map of the United States, and
the color and the shade varies depending on the number
of increased voters that voted Republican versus last time, and
(31:27):
you'll see this shift to the right. To me, that's
empirical evidence that we are basically a right of center country.
So in the newsroom today, someone who listens to a
replay of the of the of the National Program came
to me and said, Wow, I looked up that map.
(31:48):
I had never thought about that. I had never seen it.
But you're right, the country shifted to the right. Yes,
never underestimate the though the power of your enemy, because
you do so at your own risk. The cabal is
they're ready. I mean, they're all ready out for blood.
(32:15):
Rick Klein over on MSNBC this morning, uh said, I'm sorry,
it was not this morning, it was yesterday. ABC. I
get the wrong one up ABC, George Stephanopolis. Rick Klein
said this, We've had a lot of controversial picks.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Cash Ptel has to top the list.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Start with the fact that he is creating the vacancy
in order to fill it because he's got is the
fire the FBI director that he selected to replace the
last FBI director.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Let's just stop him just thinking about for the uninitiated,
for the uneducated, for the ignorant out there. That alone said, oh, oh,
he's having to fire somebody to put his own person in.
That just seems wrong, doesn't It now doesn't to you
and me. But I'm just telling you there are people
out there. They will hear that and think, oh see
this is bad your job. Will you run across those people?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
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