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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How much of a chicken governor do you have to
be knowing that you're going to sign SB twenty five
zero zero three yesterday. You call the media, you call
your supporters, but then you do it behind closed doors.
Paulus is telling us who he really is, just a
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chicken governor.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Dragon and I are having answering I thought a fascinating conversation here.
I'm sure he was quite bored with it, but he's
the one that started it, so it's his fault.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I can assure you. I wasn't listening, and which is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So fascinates me because you come in and you ask
me a question, and then I start to answer it,
and you just tune out. Yep, So you don't really one.
You really do wonder about the question, but you've already
answered it yourself. You really don't care what I have
to say about it. You're just trying to You're just
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trying to I don't know. Maybe you're just trying to
get my you know, because I got to get the
mouth and everything moving, and maybe you're just trying to
be helpful in your kind of you know, sideways way
of doing things.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And then I don't have to edit the Michael Brown
minute so.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Much sometimes, you know, it's kind of funny when I
sit down at home to like cut a spy or
recorded spot or something. I'm one take, Mike, I can
do it in one take.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, but you've already done your show for the day,
That's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Right. I come in here in the morning and I
haven't said a word to any except maybe to the dogs.
That's all I've done since, you know, until until I
see you. I bet I don't say ten words. And
then I come in here, and you know, and I
haven't even had a sip of diet coke yet or anything,
and and the mouth's not working. So I start out,
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you know, on the Here's today is Michael Brown minute.
This is Michael Brown in Freedom ninety three seven after
the family of a man killed by Aurora cops nine News.
And I stumbled, right, I think I stumbled, and I
had to start it all over again. I did that
a couple of times. And of course I also know,
because I am a professional, that if I stop when
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I a little screw up something, I can just stop.
Wait a couple of seconds. Dragon can see that on
the waveforim, and he knows to cut the crap out
before that, and then he can, you know, condense it. See,
I know how to edit and then condense it back
and put it together, because.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Let's be honest, I need that silence in there because
I'm not I'm not listening the first time, so I'll
just look at it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Just stop the recording.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Oh Brownie screwed up again. Let men find out what
he did, all right?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
See, I see this is why we're such a good team.
Because you don't listen, and I don't care that you
don't listen, and you don't care that I don't care
that you don't listen, and I don't care, right, and
nobody cares about anything, but I do. I honestly have
a slight because I can't. You're right. If I If
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I go home at you know, ten o'clock and I
get an email from staff that says I need to
do a new spot for this or that, or you know,
a new recording for this or that, I can sit down,
open Adobe audition at home, pull my microphone over my studio,
turn everything on, look down at it, and I can boom.
I can cut it and I can get it in
sixty seconds or I can get it in thirty seconds
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and boom, I can have it done. I can get
it done in one take. I come in here at
you know, five whatever in the morning and it's not
really going yet. So I'm impressed when Alexa can leave
a talk back and did you bleep out the S
word or she do that?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I did that?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You did that? Yeah, so she actually said the word.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We'll go with yes.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Really, And I always thought she was such a kind
you know. I I've never met Alexa, but I've always
kind of pictured in my mind that. You know. It's like,
you know, people who have never seen me, based on
my voice tone, intonation, the way I speak everything. Everybody
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has a certain picture of a radio host until they
see the picture. Then they go, I didn't match at all.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That's not what I pictured at all.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Uh, they picture me as the former you right. Yeah,
And so Alexa I kind of picture as this five
foot five five seven at the most, maybe ninety to
one hundred and ten pounds maximum brunette, dark hair, black hair.
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I know you're just shaking your head.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
No, she's come in a time or two and I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Know, but this is just what I picture. And she's
probably dressed professionally, but yet you know, like business casual,
which I hate to use, but you.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Know, because I actual conservative.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, casual conservative, because I think business casual. There was
a story coming in this morning that people are wearing
sweat like work.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Hey, I got that story for you, gen Z.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, and this this is what they were talking about
this morning. Gen Z ditches traditional office closed for active wear.
I was bumfuzzled by this story. So anyway, So back
to Alexa. So she is dressed casual conservative, looks professional,
yet casual would be good in almost any setting except
maybe a courtroom, all right, and has minimal jewelry on.
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But what jewelry she does have on, you would notice
and go that's pretty classy. So that's my picture. Now
what you're gonna tell me is is that she's four
foot two, weighs two hundred and ninety seven pounds.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
She's six to a guy named Larry had.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
A guy named but I was gonna say, you know,
four to seven weighs two hundred and ninety five pounds,
has you know, on advanced hair. I talked about, you know, women,
if you have a thinning spot, she has, you know,
like she's almost bald, you know, and she's really wrinkly,
and she's got a cigarette hanging out of her mouth,
you know, and it's kind of drifting smoke up. And
she got this crackly voice, you know, because she got
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that kind of sexy voice, and she's kind of like, listen, boys,
just shape up or ship out because I you know,
I'm here now and I don't put up with any
of that big Apparently she likes, you know, like she
she likes the S word. So that's that's my picture
of Alexi.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Here's how shallow I am. The only thing that I
really noticed about Alexa. She's a redhead. I got a
thing for red heads.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's all I know. It's all I know.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Are your kids redheaded? No, that gene doesn't pass, is
this it's a gene, it's.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
A recessive gene.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
My dad jet black hair, my mom kind of a
strawberry blondish.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And so you got the red you.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Got, and then the older kids more blonde, very blonde,
and the younger kid is more brown, darker brown.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The grand any, the grand kids red headed.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The older one's blonde, Lances blonde currently, and the younger
one Nicholas no hair yet, No hair yet.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, that's always so cute. But you know, I send
him to advanced air and have you know.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Have that'll work really well for a three month old.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, let me tell you about this, this Michael Brown
minute idea, because that's how we got off on it,
because I really do sometimes, not often, but regularly, let's
say regularly. I struggle through the Michael Brown minute recording
it because my mouth's not moving yet. It's just not
in gear yet. He's speaking the truth right now. I
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can attest to all of that, and I'm not I'm
not ashamed of it. You get you get up in
the morning and shower without talking to anybody except your dogs,
may you see? And I barely speak to my dogs
in the morning. Just good morning, girls, come on, let's
go eat you, let's go outside, and you know, blah
blah blah. And I'm kind of mumbling even that. And
then I come in here and I'm expected to boom
start performing immediately, and that Michael Brown. Mean, it's the
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first thing I do. And actually this one is kind
of interesting. I had it worn't slightly different dragon. I
originally said shocker of all shocks or something of this effect,
I actually agree with nine News, and then I had
a comma, let me make clear not Kyle Clark, but
nine News.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well that's funny.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And then I thought, but it was too many words
that I had to go back and edit it. So
there was a family of a man that was killed
by Aurora cops. It's I mean, I know it's important
to them, but it's not important to the story. So
in twenty twenty, Colorado passed the Law Enforcement Integrity Act,
which mandates the release of and here's the quote, all
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on edited bodycam and other footage within twenty one days
of a request, extendable to forty five days if necessary
for an ongoing investigation. And then the statute also requires
that the unedited footage include all of the incident. The incident,
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so the family, I should say so the family and
nine News have requested the bodycam footage of the cops
involved in this air quote here incident. Aurora released edited
clips of the bodycam footage, so that prompted nine News
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to file a lawsuit, which in the lawsuit, they claim
that the law requires all unedited footage of the incident. Aurora,
on the other hand, argues that it only needs to
release clips that match what the family says is the
definition of the incident. Well, no, no, you don't. You
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don't get to do that, Aurora. You don't let you
don't let the victim decide what the incident is. An
incident the cops shoot and in this case, allegedly unlawfully
kill a citizen. So what's the incident? If I'm the
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lawyer representing nine News or the family, I'm going to
argue that the incident begins at the moment that there's
either a nine one one call or there is a
dispatch from the police department, dispatch that says boom, there
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is whatever, or the incident begins from the very moment
that the cops identify an individual that they have reasonable
suspicion or probable cause or whatever to stop or to
now interact with that individual. And it might even include
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moments before that, because if I would look at the
footage of everything, they've got their body cams on, let's
say the entire time, and some cops are driving around
and they're in different patrol cars and they're like, you know,
we really you know, I'm not saying Aurora did this.
I'm just using this as an example, you know, we
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haven't arrested some gang banger in a while. We need
to find somebody looks like a gang banger arrestling because
I'm just in the mood to beat the snot out
of somebody right now. Well, I think that would be
part of the incident, because that's a predicate leading up
to the arrest of that individual, whether they have probable
cause or not. But I must I was gonna say
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I'm astonished, but that would be naiven my part. I'm
not astonished. But what the hell does Aurora think? Now?
Aurora already has a police department problem. They have a
horrible reputation in this state. Sorry, if you're a good
top of Aurora, you know it, and you've got to
admit it. But how in the hell can you can
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you look at a statute that says all unedited body
cam and other footage with it in twenty one days
and then release edited footage of clips. That's the kind
of thing that drags that drives Dragon nuts is even
when I play a clip of something, I know what
he's doing back there. He's going back there and looking
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at the previous thirty seconds in the and the and
the final thirty seconds to see if I've taken anything
out of context. He says, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Trust me, and in which I always post the if
I can find it the full you'll you'll do the
whole thing. Michael says, go here dot com. I hate
those ten seconds. There's so much that can be said
about context.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right right, Although I really do and I'm being sincere
about this, I really do try to. If there's a
let's say there's a ninety second news package that I
want to use, I won't play the full ninety seconds
unless I think it's important to the context of the
entire story. I pull out the ten, fifteen thirty seconds
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whatever I need. And sometimes, you know, because I know
program directors hate this, but call somebody that cares, because
I don't care, because it's my program. I if I
think that I need to play the full five minutes
of a package, I'll play the full five minutes. Now,
I might interrupt it and comment on it, but I'll
do the full five minutes because I think it's important
to the story. Why would I if I think that
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a full five minutes is important to a program, to
a story I'm doing on a radio program, how much
more important is a full five minutes of bodycam footage
of an incident where somebody is killed by a cop.
So the word incident, in my opinion, stems from the
very moment the cops start responding. Until the cops leave
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the scene, who knows what they said or what they
did before and after the so called incident. I mean,
they could have gotten for example, the incident is over,
you know, the coroner's there, they got the body bag,
They thrown the body back into the back of the ambulance.
It's driving off. The EMTs are leaving, fire departments leaving,
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everybody's leaving, But the cops are still sitting around talking.
They're still at the scene. They may say things that
are absolutely vital. In fact, they may say things that
are against their own self interest that in a trial
over the wrongful death or an illegal shooting is absolutely
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vital to finding the truth about that case till the minute.
And I think this is human nature, and I think
any lawyer worth as salt. A minute, you hear that
the city of Aurora is releasing edited footage, my radar
goes off, that's right, what are you hiding? What are
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you doing here? And so you know that I really
don't really particularly care for nine News there they're too
much of gen zers and they're too much of well,
they're typical members of the cabal. So I don't listen
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to nine News. But in this case, I absolutely support
what nine News is doing, and I want to specify corporate.
I support what corporate nine news is doing, not necessarily
anyone reporter or individual at nine News, because there seems
to be in Colorado, which is why people like Corey
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Gaines and others that do their Colorado like Corey does
this Coloradocountability project. We've got the Coalition for the I
forget what it's called, the Coalition for Freedom of Information,
open records stuff in Colorado. I fully support all of
that because the more transparent government is, the more we
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can hold them accountable for what they do. And don't
tell me that, well, Michael, we can't trust the government.
Hell's Bill's if you listen to this program and you
trust the government, you need psychiatric care, you need medication,
you might you might need a frontal the botomy for
all I know. But it's just a it's a great
example of how everything going on in this everything Senate
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Bill three give me to get off on Senate Bill
three right now. I do that in just a second,
but because I have a favorite to ask of everybody
regarding Senate Bill three. So anyway, the word incident, in
my opinion, stems from the moment that the cops start
responding until the cops actually get in their patrol cars
and leave the scene, because I want to know what
they said before and after everything's taking place, and the family,
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and quite frankly, the taxpayers of Aurora who pay the
salaries of the cops and the EMTs and everybody else
deserve to know whether or not this was a lawful shooting.
You can't you can't keep hiding stuff the legislature does people,
the pollop bureall do it. There's just this desire upon
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everybody that is in public service to pretend like they
work in the private sector. You do not. We are
entitled and demand to know what you are doing. A dragon.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Everybody has a little something for redheads. I guess that's
why I always pictured Michael as long flowing red hair.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, Okay, that's pretty creepy. That just kind of greeched
me out this morning. But it's Friday, and I just
don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Deep down inside you love the compliment though, well, of.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Course, of course, after all, I'm talented, so I have
to have my ego stroked at least, you know, once
every hour. So Jared Polus has signed Senate Bill three
twenty five. I thought I was Jeremy Hubbard last night.
You have a real bugaboo about language. And it's technically
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it's Senate Bill twenty five dash zero zero three because
the after the dash, that's the number assigned to the bill,
and it was described as Senate Bill twenty five three. No, no,
it's not. That's not what it is. It's zero zero three.
We lee why he has signed what is what is
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the most overreaching unconstitutional anti gun bill in the history
in Colorado probably actually I should rephrase that and say
the most overreaching on constitutional anti gun bill in American history,
Senate Bill three. That bill is absolutely worse than the
original ordinances in the District of Columbia, the statues in
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New York, and the statues in Illinois, and I might
even throw in California, all combined into one. Now, I
think it will eventually be struck down by the US
Supreme Court. But in order to get to the US
Supreme Court that's going to require litigation. And here's my request.
It's kind of a dual request. One you're going to
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get blasted, just lambasted by different groups and organizations wanting
your money in order to fund the litigation against this bill.
I want you to do that. However, I want I
want us to and here's where I need your help.
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I want us to be really good about spending our
money on the groups or donating our money to the
groups that are going to pursue the litigation against the bill.
Some are going to be really good and are going
to hire the right kind of firms. There will be
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some of these organizations that are not really gone organizations
that are more freedom and liberty organizations that will pursue litigation.
The Colorado State Shooting Association has probably been the most
vocal within Colorado about the legislation. Now I'm not endorsing them,
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I'm just saying I think they've been the most vocal
so far, and they might be the most effective. I
don't know. But if you're aware of other groups that
are going to be funding and organizing, I want to
know about it, and I'm going to ask you to
not send me a text. Instead, I want you to
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email me because in the email, I want if you
have whatever information you have about the organization, you know,
a URL, a link to their website, other things, whatever
information you can tell me about the organizations, I want
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you to email that to me Michael Brown at iHeartMedia
dot com Michael Brown at iHeartMedia dot com, because I
want to start gathering and compiling a database of these groups,
and then I'm going to start reaching out to these
groups and cross examining them, if you will, about what
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their strategy is. What can they tell me whose the
law firms are going to be using, because I'm going
to pick one or two, maybe three, depending on how
things turn out, and then I'm wanting to endorse those
and I'm going to encourage you to give money to
those based on what I can determine about what they're doing.
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But I just want you to pause before you do
any of that donation because I know everyone's unless you're
a billionaire listening, but even in your funds are limited,
I want you to be very strategic about your donation
to any or all of these groups because this is
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probably and I'll repeat it, say it again I believe
this is the most overreaching, unconstitutional and anti gun bill
in the history of this country. That's how bad things
are in Colorado. So when you find out, for example,
if you get an email fundraising forward that to know
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Michael Brown at I heeartmedia dot com. If you are
a member of one of these organizations and you think
that your organization is the best, email me Michael Brown
at iHeartMedia dot com. Tell me about your organization, Tell
me why, Tell me why you think it is the
one that that we that we ought to really focus
our efforts on. Because we need to do this. We
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have got to hang this bill and the consequences that
it has to our economy, because it's going to have
a dramatic effect on jobs and the economy, gun stores,
gun owners, at the entire economy. It's going to have
an effect on the economy. It is truly, in my opinion,
and of an attempt at eviscerating the Second Amendment. It
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will not, as police likes to claim, enhance public safety.
I think it is going to degrade public safety. It's
going to make this state even more dangerous than it is.
I joke about you know, Dragon and I going up
to Federal Boulevard because we'll just go buy our guns
off the you know, out of the out of the
trunk of a car on Federal Boulevard, which I know
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is a crime. But they've made me going to a
gun store and buying a gun from a gun store
a crime. And I hate invoking race, but this bill
is racist. It's racist against poor Blacks, poor Hispanics, poor Asians,
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poor Whites, poor everybody. It's both, it's both racially and economically.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
The VISSI.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a piece of s H I T legislation. And
I want to hang this around the next of Jared
Polus and his fellow travelers, the Democrats and the Colorado
polit bureau. I'm i'm I'm not surprised by this bill.
I'm not shocked by the bill. I'm not surprised that
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Polus signed it. We know what he truly is. He
is not a libertarian. He is and he is a
billionaire Marxist, anti libertarian, anti gun chameleon who will say
and do anything to get elected and to favor those
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favorite constituencies that he thinks will get him someday into
the White House. This is anti Second Amendment. It's against
our gun rights. It's in firearms, it's against the natural
law of self defense, it is everything. Now. I posted
those remarks on my ex timeline yesterday and it was
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under it was under a photograph of Molon lay really
come and get it. I was surprised that there were
some people that didn't recognize that Greek alphabet and what
that stands for, which I found kind of kind of scary,
or maybe somebody was just being a smart Essen said,
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I don't read Greek, but anyway, I was. I was
surprised by it. But there were a couple of comments
that I want to comment on. The comment Joshua wrote,
this is just crazy. So much for the Second Amendment.
I live in Texas and travel through Colorado twice a year.
I'm still going to carry multiple semi auto firearms in
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my car like I always do.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Screw them.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, that's really not the point of the bill that
you're allowed to Yeah, yeah, it's just not the point
of the bill or this one. Let's see here, it is.
Stop sending your heart to earn money to the lawyer
gravy train, get your buddies and your guns, and go
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hang out on the property you own. That's not unlawful.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yep, You're still allowed to You're still allowed.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
To do that. This doesn't change anything about that. So, yeah,
you want to be tough, you want to go stand
on your property line with an AR fifteen over your shoulder,
have at it. I don't care. That's there's nothing unlawful
about that. Now come to Colorado or try to buy
a gun in Colorado and wait to go through the process.
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This is a replication of the original District of Columbia
process that was challenged and overturned by the US Supreme Court,
which the Court recognized, in essence, was restricting your Second
Amendment rights and making it so damn difficult to even
purchase a gun, let alone get a concealed carry permit.
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That it was a flagrant violation of the Second Amendment.
And that's what they're doing here, which is why we've
got to challenge it in court. But I want us
to be smart about this challenge. And for all you
gun shop your gun stores out there, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
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but this is uh, this is determined to drive you
out of business. And Tom Sullivan, whose son was killed
in the Aurora theater shooting, as I always you know.
I always say, I can't imagine the trauma he's gone
through losing a son and losing a son that way,
But your bill does not do a damn thing to
either bring your son back or to prevent this from
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happening again. You are so blinded by your grief that
you're willing to take away the law, the rights of
law abiding citizens, all in the name that you think
this is going to make other people say. Well, mister Sullivan,
let me tell you something. You are absolutely unequivocally wrong,
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and you have taken your grief and you have eviscerated
the rights of law abiding citizens in this state. And
I despise you for that, absolutely despise you for it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Dragon, you are not alone.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I am also a pathological ginger chaser, although I'm married now.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But guess what, she's a redhead.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
And just to by the way, are you aware of
the Redhead Festival hast held every year in Dublin breathtaking?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I am aware.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
They typically set like the ginger gathering record of the
most redheads.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So yeah, yeah, it's a good time, good time.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And Kathleen's Kathleen. I told you sent me, An told
you to send me an email. She sent me a
text message. Yes, of course, the Independence Institute Caldera will
have Dave Koppel writing an Amekus brief in whatever lawsuit
ends up getting filed, and Dave has been writing and followed.
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Dave I think is the best Second Amendment historian, lawyer
expert in the entire country. And he's right here in Colorado.
So if you ever have a chance to read anything
that Dave Coble has ever written about gun rights for
the Second Amendment, absolutely go do that. Yeah, given her
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fifty one to forty three year right, that was my
first thought. A real libertarian would have never passed this bill.
We're all being gas lit by polus. I'm not going
to use the term you used here, but yes, I'm
not even sure I can use that term on the air.
But anyway, Yeah, which gets back to none of us
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should be surprised by either the introduction of this bill,
the passage of this bill, the overs the overreach, the
overarching and overreaching of this bill, nor should anybody be
surprised at all that police signed this bill. There was
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never any doubt in my mind. I know that, you know,
I got the emails from the different organizations talking about
how you know, we got to put pressure on Polis.
You know, I signed the petitions, I did all of
that stuff. But there was never any doubt in my
mind that Polis was going to sign this bill because one,
this is truly what he believes. This is This is
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who I was. I was trying to describe the dragon
before we started the program this morning that having known
police since he was the head of the state them
uh Department of Education, all the way through the time
that we were together while he was in Congress and
I was in DC, benet functions together places. This is
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who he is and whether he ultimately wants to run
for president or not, he thinks this is a this
isn't arrow in his quiver of arrows that he thinks
will attract people because he can talk about gun safety.
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This bill has zero to do with gun safety. This
is an anti Second Amendment. This is an anti natural
law and anti self defense law that will harm law
abiding citizens, will harm poor people who, in this age
of ever increasing crime in Colorado, will simply not be
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able to afford to go purchase a commonly used semi
automated gun in his state, and gun shop owners. I'm sorry.
I understand that your business is going to be dramatically
you know, you'd have to go back and find it
on the podcast. But I went through the impact that
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guns have, the positive impact that the gun industry has
on the state of Colorado, the number of jobs, the
contribution to our state gross domestic product, all of them gone,
simply gone with the stroke of a pen. We live
in a state that is truly becoming worse than California.
How much of a chicken governor do you have to
be knowing that you're going to sign SB twenty five
zero zero three yesterday. You call the media, you call
your supporters, but then you do it behind closed doors.
Paulus is telling us who he really is, just a
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chicken governor.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Dragon and I are having answering I thought a fascinating conversation here.
I'm sure he was quite bored with it, but he's
the one that started it, so it's his fault.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I can assure you. I wasn't listening, and which is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So fascinates me because you come in and you ask
me a question, and then I start to answer it,
and you just tune out. Yep, So you don't really one.
You really do wonder about the question, but you've already
answered it yourself. You really don't care what I have
to say about it. You're just trying to You're just
(00:59):
trying to I don't know. Maybe you're just trying to
get my you know, because I got to get the
mouth and everything moving, and maybe you're just trying to
be helpful in your kind of you know, sideways way
of doing things.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And then I don't have to edit the Michael Brown
minute so.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Much sometimes, you know, it's kind of funny when I
sit down at home to like cut a spy or
recorded spot or something. I'm one take, Mike, I can
do it in one take.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, but you've already done your show for the day,
That's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Right. I come in here in the morning and I
haven't said a word to any except maybe to the dogs.
That's all I've done since, you know, until until I
see you. I bet I don't say ten words. And
then I come in here, and you know, and I
haven't even had a sip of diet coke yet or anything,
and and the mouth's not working. So I start out,
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you know, on the Here's today is Michael Brown minute.
This is Michael Brown in Freedom ninety three seven after
the family of a man killed by Aurora cops nine News.
And I stumbled, right, I think I stumbled, and I
had to start it all over again. I did that
a couple of times. And of course I also know,
because I am a professional, that if I stop when
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I a little screw up something, I can just stop.
Wait a couple of seconds. Dragon can see that on
the waveforim, and he knows to cut the crap out
before that, and then he can, you know, condense it. See,
I know how to edit and then condense it back
and put it together, because.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Let's be honest, I need that silence in there because
I'm not I'm not listening the first time, so I'll
just look at it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Just stop the recording.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Oh Brownie screwed up again. Let men find out what
he did, all right?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
See, I see this is why we're such a good team.
Because you don't listen, and I don't care that you
don't listen, and you don't care that I don't care
that you don't listen, and I don't care, right, and
nobody cares about anything, but I do. I honestly have
a slight because I can't. You're right. If I If
(02:54):
I go home at you know, ten o'clock and I
get an email from staff that says I need to
do a new spot for this or that, or you know,
a new recording for this or that, I can sit down,
open Adobe audition at home, pull my microphone over my studio,
turn everything on, look down at it, and I can boom.
I can cut it and I can get it in
sixty seconds or I can get it in thirty seconds
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and boom, I can have it done. I can get
it done in one take. I come in here at
you know, five whatever in the morning and it's not
really going yet. So I'm impressed when Alexa can leave
a talk back and did you bleep out the S
word or she do that?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I did that?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You did that? Yeah, so she actually said the word.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We'll go with yes.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Really, And I always thought she was such a kind
you know. I I've never met Alexa, but I've always
kind of pictured in my mind that. You know. It's like,
you know, people who have never seen me, based on
my voice tone, intonation, the way I speak everything. Everybody
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has a certain picture of a radio host until they
see the picture. Then they go, I didn't match at all.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That's not what I pictured at all.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Uh, they picture me as the former you right. Yeah,
And so Alexa I kind of picture as this five
foot five five seven at the most, maybe ninety to
one hundred and ten pounds maximum brunette, dark hair, black hair.
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I know you're just shaking your head.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
No, she's come in a time or two and I.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Know, but this is just what I picture. And she's
probably dressed professionally, but yet you know, like business casual,
which I hate to use, but you.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Know, because I actual conservative.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, casual conservative, because I think business casual. There was
a story coming in this morning that people are wearing
sweat like work.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Hey, I got that story for you, gen Z.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, and this this is what they were talking about
this morning. Gen Z ditches traditional office closed for active wear.
I was bumfuzzled by this story. So anyway, So back
to Alexa. So she is dressed casual conservative, looks professional,
yet casual would be good in almost any setting except
maybe a courtroom, all right, and has minimal jewelry on.
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But what jewelry she does have on, you would notice
and go that's pretty classy. So that's my picture. Now
what you're gonna tell me is is that she's four
foot two, weighs two hundred and ninety seven pounds.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
She's six to a guy named Larry had.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
A guy named but I was gonna say, you know,
four to seven weighs two hundred and ninety five pounds,
has you know, on advanced hair. I talked about, you know, women,
if you have a thinning spot, she has, you know,
like she's almost bald, you know, and she's really wrinkly,
and she's got a cigarette hanging out of her mouth,
you know, and it's kind of drifting smoke up. And
she got this crackly voice, you know, because she got
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that kind of sexy voice, and she's kind of like, listen, boys,
just shape up or ship out because I you know,
I'm here now and I don't put up with any
of that big Apparently she likes, you know, like she
she likes the S word. So that's that's my picture
of Alexi.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Here's how shallow I am. The only thing that I
really noticed about Alexa. She's a redhead. I got a
thing for red heads.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's all I know. It's all I know.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Are your kids redheaded? No, that gene doesn't pass, is
this it's a gene, it's.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
A recessive gene.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
My dad jet black hair, my mom kind of a
strawberry blondish.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And so you got the red you.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Got, and then the older kids more blonde, very blonde,
and the younger kid is more brown, darker brown.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The grand any, the grand kids red headed.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The older one's blonde, Lances blonde currently, and the younger
one Nicholas no hair yet, No hair yet.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, that's always so cute. But you know, I send
him to advanced air and have you know.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Have that'll work really well for a three month old.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, let me tell you about this, this Michael Brown
minute idea, because that's how we got off on it,
because I really do sometimes, not often, but regularly, let's
say regularly. I struggle through the Michael Brown minute recording
it because my mouth's not moving yet. It's just not
in gear yet. He's speaking the truth right now. I
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can attest to all of that, and I'm not I'm
not ashamed of it. You get you get up in
the morning and shower without talking to anybody except your dogs,
may you see? And I barely speak to my dogs
in the morning. Just good morning, girls, come on, let's
go eat you, let's go outside, and you know, blah
blah blah. And I'm kind of mumbling even that. And
then I come in here and I'm expected to boom
start performing immediately, and that Michael Brown. Mean, it's the
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first thing I do. And actually this one is kind
of interesting. I had it worn't slightly different dragon. I
originally said shocker of all shocks or something of this effect,
I actually agree with nine News, and then I had
a comma, let me make clear not Kyle Clark, but
nine News.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well that's funny.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And then I thought, but it was too many words
that I had to go back and edit it. So
there was a family of a man that was killed
by Aurora cops. It's I mean, I know it's important
to them, but it's not important to the story. So
in twenty twenty, Colorado passed the Law Enforcement Integrity Act,
which mandates the release of and here's the quote, all
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on edited bodycam and other footage within twenty one days
of a request, extendable to forty five days if necessary
for an ongoing investigation. And then the statute also requires
that the unedited footage include all of the incident. The incident,
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so the family, I should say so the family and
nine News have requested the bodycam footage of the cops
involved in this air quote here incident. Aurora released edited
clips of the bodycam footage, so that prompted nine News
(09:44):
to file a lawsuit, which in the lawsuit, they claim
that the law requires all unedited footage of the incident. Aurora,
on the other hand, argues that it only needs to
release clips that match what the family says is the
definition of the incident. Well, no, no, you don't. You
(10:09):
don't get to do that, Aurora. You don't let you
don't let the victim decide what the incident is. An
incident the cops shoot and in this case, allegedly unlawfully
kill a citizen. So what's the incident? If I'm the
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lawyer representing nine News or the family, I'm going to
argue that the incident begins at the moment that there's
either a nine one one call or there is a
dispatch from the police department, dispatch that says boom, there
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is whatever, or the incident begins from the very moment
that the cops identify an individual that they have reasonable
suspicion or probable cause or whatever to stop or to
now interact with that individual. And it might even include
(11:15):
moments before that, because if I would look at the
footage of everything, they've got their body cams on, let's
say the entire time, and some cops are driving around
and they're in different patrol cars and they're like, you know,
we really you know, I'm not saying Aurora did this.
I'm just using this as an example, you know, we
(11:36):
haven't arrested some gang banger in a while. We need
to find somebody looks like a gang banger arrestling because
I'm just in the mood to beat the snot out
of somebody right now. Well, I think that would be
part of the incident, because that's a predicate leading up
to the arrest of that individual, whether they have probable
cause or not. But I must I was gonna say
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I'm astonished, but that would be naiven my part. I'm
not astonished. But what the hell does Aurora think? Now?
Aurora already has a police department problem. They have a
horrible reputation in this state. Sorry, if you're a good
top of Aurora, you know it, and you've got to
admit it. But how in the hell can you can
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you look at a statute that says all unedited body
cam and other footage with it in twenty one days
and then release edited footage of clips. That's the kind
of thing that drags that drives Dragon nuts is even
when I play a clip of something, I know what
he's doing back there. He's going back there and looking
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at the previous thirty seconds in the and the and
the final thirty seconds to see if I've taken anything
out of context. He says, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Trust me, and in which I always post the if
I can find it the full you'll you'll do the
whole thing. Michael says, go here dot com. I hate
those ten seconds. There's so much that can be said
about context.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right right, Although I really do and I'm being sincere
about this, I really do try to. If there's a
let's say there's a ninety second news package that I
want to use, I won't play the full ninety seconds
unless I think it's important to the context of the
entire story. I pull out the ten, fifteen thirty seconds
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whatever I need. And sometimes, you know, because I know
program directors hate this, but call somebody that cares, because
I don't care, because it's my program. I if I
think that I need to play the full five minutes
of a package, I'll play the full five minutes. Now,
I might interrupt it and comment on it, but I'll
do the full five minutes because I think it's important
to the story. Why would I if I think that
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a full five minutes is important to a program, to
a story I'm doing on a radio program, how much
more important is a full five minutes of bodycam footage
of an incident where somebody is killed by a cop.
So the word incident, in my opinion, stems from the
very moment the cops start responding. Until the cops leave
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the scene, who knows what they said or what they
did before and after the so called incident. I mean,
they could have gotten for example, the incident is over,
you know, the coroner's there, they got the body bag,
They thrown the body back into the back of the ambulance.
It's driving off. The EMTs are leaving, fire departments leaving,
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everybody's leaving, But the cops are still sitting around talking.
They're still at the scene. They may say things that
are absolutely vital. In fact, they may say things that
are against their own self interest that in a trial
over the wrongful death or an illegal shooting is absolutely
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vital to finding the truth about that case till the minute.
And I think this is human nature, and I think
any lawyer worth as salt. A minute, you hear that
the city of Aurora is releasing edited footage, my radar
goes off, that's right, what are you hiding? What are
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you doing here? And so you know that I really
don't really particularly care for nine News there they're too
much of gen zers and they're too much of well,
they're typical members of the cabal. So I don't listen
(15:32):
to nine News. But in this case, I absolutely support
what nine News is doing, and I want to specify corporate.
I support what corporate nine news is doing, not necessarily
anyone reporter or individual at nine News, because there seems
to be in Colorado, which is why people like Corey
(15:56):
Gaines and others that do their Colorado like Corey does
this Coloradocountability project. We've got the Coalition for the I
forget what it's called, the Coalition for Freedom of Information,
open records stuff in Colorado. I fully support all of
that because the more transparent government is, the more we
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can hold them accountable for what they do. And don't
tell me that, well, Michael, we can't trust the government.
Hell's Bill's if you listen to this program and you
trust the government, you need psychiatric care, you need medication,
you might you might need a frontal the botomy for
all I know. But it's just a it's a great
example of how everything going on in this everything Senate
(16:41):
Bill three give me to get off on Senate Bill
three right now. I do that in just a second,
but because I have a favorite to ask of everybody
regarding Senate Bill three. So anyway, the word incident, in
my opinion, stems from the moment that the cops start
responding until the cops actually get in their patrol cars
and leave the scene, because I want to know what
they said before and after everything's taking place, and the family,
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and quite frankly, the taxpayers of Aurora who pay the
salaries of the cops and the EMTs and everybody else
deserve to know whether or not this was a lawful shooting.
You can't you can't keep hiding stuff the legislature does people,
the pollop bureall do it. There's just this desire upon
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everybody that is in public service to pretend like they
work in the private sector. You do not. We are
entitled and demand to know what you are doing. A dragon.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Everybody has a little something for redheads. I guess that's
why I always pictured Michael as long flowing red hair.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, Okay, that's pretty creepy. That just kind of greeched
me out this morning. But it's Friday, and I just
don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Deep down inside you love the compliment though, well, of.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Course, of course, after all, I'm talented, so I have
to have my ego stroked at least, you know, once
every hour. So Jared Polus has signed Senate Bill three
twenty five. I thought I was Jeremy Hubbard last night.
You have a real bugaboo about language. And it's technically
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it's Senate Bill twenty five dash zero zero three because
the after the dash, that's the number assigned to the bill,
and it was described as Senate Bill twenty five three. No, no,
it's not. That's not what it is. It's zero zero three.
We lee why he has signed what is what is
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the most overreaching unconstitutional anti gun bill in the history
in Colorado probably actually I should rephrase that and say
the most overreaching on constitutional anti gun bill in American history,
Senate Bill three. That bill is absolutely worse than the
original ordinances in the District of Columbia, the statues in
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New York, and the statues in Illinois, and I might
even throw in California, all combined into one. Now, I
think it will eventually be struck down by the US
Supreme Court. But in order to get to the US
Supreme Court that's going to require litigation. And here's my request.
It's kind of a dual request. One you're going to
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get blasted, just lambasted by different groups and organizations wanting
your money in order to fund the litigation against this bill.
I want you to do that. However, I want I
want us to and here's where I need your help.
(20:03):
I want us to be really good about spending our
money on the groups or donating our money to the
groups that are going to pursue the litigation against the bill.
Some are going to be really good and are going
to hire the right kind of firms. There will be
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some of these organizations that are not really gone organizations
that are more freedom and liberty organizations that will pursue litigation.
The Colorado State Shooting Association has probably been the most
vocal within Colorado about the legislation. Now I'm not endorsing them,
(20:49):
I'm just saying I think they've been the most vocal
so far, and they might be the most effective. I
don't know. But if you're aware of other groups that
are going to be funding and organizing, I want to
know about it, and I'm going to ask you to
not send me a text. Instead, I want you to
(21:11):
email me because in the email, I want if you
have whatever information you have about the organization, you know,
a URL, a link to their website, other things, whatever
information you can tell me about the organizations, I want
(21:33):
you to email that to me Michael Brown at iHeartMedia
dot com Michael Brown at iHeartMedia dot com, because I
want to start gathering and compiling a database of these groups,
and then I'm going to start reaching out to these
groups and cross examining them, if you will, about what
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their strategy is. What can they tell me whose the
law firms are going to be using, because I'm going
to pick one or two, maybe three, depending on how
things turn out, and then I'm wanting to endorse those
and I'm going to encourage you to give money to
those based on what I can determine about what they're doing.
(22:18):
But I just want you to pause before you do
any of that donation because I know everyone's unless you're
a billionaire listening, but even in your funds are limited,
I want you to be very strategic about your donation
to any or all of these groups because this is
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probably and I'll repeat it, say it again I believe
this is the most overreaching, unconstitutional and anti gun bill
in the history of this country. That's how bad things
are in Colorado. So when you find out, for example,
if you get an email fundraising forward that to know
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Michael Brown at I heeartmedia dot com. If you are
a member of one of these organizations and you think
that your organization is the best, email me Michael Brown
at iHeartMedia dot com. Tell me about your organization, Tell
me why, Tell me why you think it is the
one that that we that we ought to really focus
our efforts on. Because we need to do this. We
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have got to hang this bill and the consequences that
it has to our economy, because it's going to have
a dramatic effect on jobs and the economy, gun stores,
gun owners, at the entire economy. It's going to have
an effect on the economy. It is truly, in my opinion,
and of an attempt at eviscerating the Second Amendment. It
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will not, as police likes to claim, enhance public safety.
I think it is going to degrade public safety. It's
going to make this state even more dangerous than it is.
I joke about you know, Dragon and I going up
to Federal Boulevard because we'll just go buy our guns
off the you know, out of the out of the
trunk of a car on Federal Boulevard, which I know
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is a crime. But they've made me going to a
gun store and buying a gun from a gun store
a crime. And I hate invoking race, but this bill
is racist. It's racist against poor Blacks, poor Hispanics, poor Asians,
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poor Whites, poor everybody. It's both, it's both racially and economically.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
The VISSI.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a piece of s H I T legislation. And
I want to hang this around the next of Jared
Polus and his fellow travelers, the Democrats and the Colorado
polit bureau. I'm i'm I'm not surprised by this bill.
I'm not shocked by the bill. I'm not surprised that
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Polus signed it. We know what he truly is. He
is not a libertarian. He is and he is a
billionaire Marxist, anti libertarian, anti gun chameleon who will say
and do anything to get elected and to favor those
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favorite constituencies that he thinks will get him someday into
the White House. This is anti Second Amendment. It's against
our gun rights. It's in firearms, it's against the natural
law of self defense, it is everything. Now. I posted
those remarks on my ex timeline yesterday and it was
(25:56):
under it was under a photograph of Molon lay really
come and get it. I was surprised that there were
some people that didn't recognize that Greek alphabet and what
that stands for, which I found kind of kind of scary,
or maybe somebody was just being a smart Essen said,
(26:17):
I don't read Greek, but anyway, I was. I was
surprised by it. But there were a couple of comments
that I want to comment on. The comment Joshua wrote,
this is just crazy. So much for the Second Amendment.
I live in Texas and travel through Colorado twice a year.
I'm still going to carry multiple semi auto firearms in
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my car like I always do.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Screw them.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, that's really not the point of the bill that
you're allowed to Yeah, yeah, it's just not the point
of the bill or this one. Let's see here, it is.
Stop sending your heart to earn money to the lawyer
gravy train, get your buddies and your guns, and go
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hang out on the property you own. That's not unlawful.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yep, You're still allowed to You're still allowed.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
To do that. This doesn't change anything about that. So, yeah,
you want to be tough, you want to go stand
on your property line with an AR fifteen over your shoulder,
have at it. I don't care. That's there's nothing unlawful
about that. Now come to Colorado or try to buy
a gun in Colorado and wait to go through the process.
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This is a replication of the original District of Columbia
process that was challenged and overturned by the US Supreme Court,
which the Court recognized, in essence, was restricting your Second
Amendment rights and making it so damn difficult to even
purchase a gun, let alone get a concealed carry permit.
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That it was a flagrant violation of the Second Amendment.
And that's what they're doing here, which is why we've
got to challenge it in court. But I want us
to be smart about this challenge. And for all you
gun shop your gun stores out there, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
(28:22):
but this is uh, this is determined to drive you
out of business. And Tom Sullivan, whose son was killed
in the Aurora theater shooting, as I always you know.
I always say, I can't imagine the trauma he's gone
through losing a son and losing a son that way,
But your bill does not do a damn thing to
either bring your son back or to prevent this from
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happening again. You are so blinded by your grief that
you're willing to take away the law, the rights of
law abiding citizens, all in the name that you think
this is going to make other people say. Well, mister Sullivan,
let me tell you something. You are absolutely unequivocally wrong,
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and you have taken your grief and you have eviscerated
the rights of law abiding citizens in this state. And
I despise you for that, absolutely despise you for it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Dragon, you are not alone.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I am also a pathological ginger chaser, although I'm married now.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But guess what, she's a redhead.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
And just to by the way, are you aware of
the Redhead Festival hast held every year in Dublin breathtaking?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I am aware.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
They typically set like the ginger gathering record of the
most redheads.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So yeah, yeah, it's a good time, good time.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And Kathleen's Kathleen. I told you sent me, An told
you to send me an email. She sent me a
text message. Yes, of course, the Independence Institute Caldera will
have Dave Koppel writing an Amekus brief in whatever lawsuit
ends up getting filed, and Dave has been writing and followed.
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Dave I think is the best Second Amendment historian, lawyer
expert in the entire country. And he's right here in Colorado.
So if you ever have a chance to read anything
that Dave Coble has ever written about gun rights for
the Second Amendment, absolutely go do that. Yeah, given her
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fifty one to forty three year right, that was my
first thought. A real libertarian would have never passed this bill.
We're all being gas lit by polus. I'm not going
to use the term you used here, but yes, I'm
not even sure I can use that term on the air.
But anyway, Yeah, which gets back to none of us
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should be surprised by either the introduction of this bill,
the passage of this bill, the overs the overreach, the
overarching and overreaching of this bill, nor should anybody be
surprised at all that police signed this bill. There was
(31:17):
never any doubt in my mind. I know that, you know,
I got the emails from the different organizations talking about
how you know, we got to put pressure on Polis.
You know, I signed the petitions, I did all of
that stuff. But there was never any doubt in my
mind that Polis was going to sign this bill because one,
this is truly what he believes. This is This is
(31:39):
who I was. I was trying to describe the dragon
before we started the program this morning that having known
police since he was the head of the state them
uh Department of Education, all the way through the time
that we were together while he was in Congress and
I was in DC, benet functions together places. This is
(32:06):
who he is and whether he ultimately wants to run
for president or not, he thinks this is a this
isn't arrow in his quiver of arrows that he thinks
will attract people because he can talk about gun safety.
(32:27):
This bill has zero to do with gun safety. This
is an anti Second Amendment. This is an anti natural
law and anti self defense law that will harm law
abiding citizens, will harm poor people who, in this age
of ever increasing crime in Colorado, will simply not be
(32:49):
able to afford to go purchase a commonly used semi
automated gun in his state, and gun shop owners. I'm sorry.
I understand that your business is going to be dramatically
you know, you'd have to go back and find it
on the podcast. But I went through the impact that
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guns have, the positive impact that the gun industry has
on the state of Colorado, the number of jobs, the
contribution to our state gross domestic product, all of them gone,
simply gone with the stroke of a pen. We live
in a state that is truly becoming worse than California.
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