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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If I had twenty nine million dollars in my bank account,
I'd never have to work another day in my life.
I mean, twenty nine million dollars is still a s
load of money. Is that the same person that left
the talk back that caused that resulted in the tirade
about twenty nine million dollars? Yeah? Probably? Okay, I just
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it's okay, chill out, Just just chill out. We had
a text message that I thought was hilarious about that.
Rant K forty three forty four wrote Mike. In all words,
the word relax. That talk back was a setup for
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the little PP punchline. It was obvious that was a
tongue in cheek message left simply to set up the joke.
To be fair, it was a bad joke. Timing is everything,
and that setup was way too long. Was the most
offensive part of the talkback. The President's making a trip today.
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He's going to go to Florida and he's going to
join in his former nemesis, Governor Ron De Santis. Have
you thought about rohnd de Santis lately, because I'm always
I'm still fascinated because back way back when, back you know,
after Biden's election I really did believe that. I told
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you this during during that time period, I really thought
that DeSantis would emerge as the Republican nominee. Man, he
just crashed and burned like one of Musk's rockets, just
kind of group took up and they just kind of
nose died right back down. Well, anyway, Trump and de
Sandas are going to get back together today for the
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opening of that new Illegal Immigration Descenter center at the
Miami Dade call your training facility, which everybody's referring to
as Alligator Alcatraz, which I'll get to that monicuer in
just in a second. No, I haven't forgotten about the preacher.
I'm going to get to the preacher, but I wanted
to talk about this before Trump actually heads down there.
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In fact, the Chiron is soon Trump tours Florida's Alligator Alcatraz.
That particular facility was approved by the Department of Homeland Security.
It's located smack Dack in the middle of the Everglades,
and its intended use is for detaining illegal aliens. The
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Santus is out there emphasizing the logistical simplicity and the
natural God made security features, which are alligators and pythons.
The Santas said, and I quote people say, there are
training flights that go in there, but it's a massive runway,
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and you know, there's not a lot of buildings out there,
but there's a lot of concrete. And so these guys
set up this whole thing within a matter of days.
He emphasizes that the facility is not defunct, and like
everybody else, wants to highlight the natural barriers which makes
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it difficult for detainees to escape. Quote, the security is
amazing natural and otherwise. The Santus explains that this facility
will help expedite the deportation process, and he describes it
as you know, you can literally drive them to two
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thousand feet, put them on a plane, and then they're gone.
They're just gone. It's very simple logistically, he says. The
existing runways allows the federal government to fly detainees out
of the country directly from the site. So yesterday the
President announced that he would joined the Santras for the
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opening of this facility, and according to the governor, he
spoke with the Trump. Vote he spoke with the Trump.
We should just start calling that the Trump. He spoke
with Trump over the weekend and says that Trump's really
excited about doing it, and Dessanda's of course, wants to
take some credit. He says that Florida is assisting the
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federal government in fulfilling the voter's mandate on immigration enforcement, saying,
and I quote again, we are literally, we literally are
doing what the voters who elected us, all of us,
have been been demanding for many, many years. And I
agree with that. Now you may or may not agree
with what I'm about to say. I get that alligator
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Alcatraz has a certain alliteration, alligator Alcatraz, and of course
it brings up, you know, visions of the Alcatraz in
San Francisco. But we're actually giving Look, if you're if
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you're an illegal alien and you've been convicted of child
molestation or killing a dog or selling drugs, you know
that end up in the death of you know, some teenagers,
or you're a drunk driver and you kill you know,
a young college student. Lincoln Riley or thinking to you,
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Lincoln Riley, just want to remind you of Biden? Do
we really though? I guess the child molesters and the
dog killers. If you try to escape and you get
eaten by you know, an alligator, or you get you know,
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uh squeezed to death by a python. Uh, stupid you.
You shouldn't have tried to escape. I don't know how
many of the illegal illegal the criminal illegal aliens that
we have been capturing, detaining and deporting, I don't how
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many of them have actually escaped. So I don't know
that escape was actually an issue. And I don't have
a problem with this facility. If if it was built
as a train it's called the Miami Dade call your
training facility. It was built as a training facility with
sufficient runways you can fly in and fly out of there.
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So in order to do that, all of the eies
is the environmental impact statements under the National Environmental Protection Act.
All of that's probably already been done, and I would
guess that somebody's going to sue and claim that you
just have to do them all over again, But the
Supreme Court is ruled that, no, you really don't have
to do that. It's that's that's not what the NIPA
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Act required. The problem I have is with the name
Alligator Alcatraz, not because I personally have a problem with it.
I think we just gave ammunition to the left. Oh
you see, those right wing nut job Republicans just want
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those illegal aliens to get eaten up by alligators. That's
what they want to do. I mean, that's how stupid
they are. I mean, that's just how stupid they sound.
I don't want anybody to get eaten up by an alligator,
unless I again, I'm wavering about child molesters and you know,
dog killers, but that's neither. You're no there. I just
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think that, you know, I get it. It's cute, it's funny,
but I think we just gave some ammo unnecessarily to
the left of it. We really didn't need to give
to them. So open it up, put them there, fly
them out in the middle of nowhere, which will of
him people who love the Everglades. But I've been to
the Everglades and it's in the middle of nowhere, and
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so have at it. Now, let's get to the United
States Senate, because it just seems to me that something
said on the Senate floor about the big Beautiful Bill
by Senator Raphael Warnock, the Democrat from Georgia, who should
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not be a US senator, but because Trump before he
kind of realized that what he says matters kind of
got this guy elected. I don't say that to be critical.
I just want to make sure you understand that. But
for Trump encouraging people not to go vote in Georgia,
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we ended up with this yahoo he went to the Senate. Now,
remember the big beautiful bill does things like takes it
illegal aliens. Well, say the original version of the bill,
because I'm not sure where it is today. The original
version of the bill said that illegal aliens would not
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be entitled to medicate.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Maybe because I was here yesterday and eight years ago
for a similar fight with faith leaders.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Maybe because I'm a preacher and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's Sunday and I've been here instead of church. I
have especially been thinking about those of us who are
people of faith, people whose lives are informed by scripture,
people of the book.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
That includes many of us, including me. All right, so
he's talking to us, and maybe those of.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Us who have different politics but read from the same book.
Ought to spend some time together.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Reading the book.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Because I do sometimes wonder, and I say this with
all humility, None of us, none of us.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Owns the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
But if I'm honest that there are days when I
have to ask people of my faith tradition as a Christian,
are we reading the same book?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The book? ID know says, Now, he just said that
none of us own the truth, But now he's going
on to tell us that, well, here's the truth. I
was hungry and you fed me.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I was sick, I was in prison and you visited me.
I was a stranger and you welcomed me. And as
much as you've done it to the least of these,
you've done it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Also under me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The book that I love says, learned to do good,
seek justice, rescue the oppressed, defend the orphan, plead for
the widow.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Let's just pause for a moment, and let's back up.
Who is Christ speaking to when he utters those words
and used It'll use past tense, I'll use present tents
because I believe that He utters those words to us
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every single day, and you fed me.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Are we reading the same book the book? Guy knows sense,
I was hungry and you fed me.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Who will you me? Dragon? He's speaking to us individually.
You see, Christ knows each of us individually, and when
he speaks those words, he is speaking to those words
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to us as individuals. So I believe that I have
a moral obligation as part of my faith to care
for the poor, the hungry, the oppressed, and so I
tried to do that in ways that I can, in
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ways that I choose to do those things.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I was sick, I was in prison, and you visited me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I was a stranger, And now I have to confess
I've well, I guess when I was a baby lawyer,
I did visit them in prison. I had to go
to jails many times as a baby lawyer to visit
with people that you know, judges who for whatever reason
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liked me and said, well, let's get Mikey to do it,
and so Mike you would end up doing it. So
I guess I have. But in recent memory, no, I
really have not. Oh occasionally, Dragon won't tell you. Occasionally
we get prison letters here and I read them. I
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don't respond to them, but I do read them, and
you welcome me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And as much as you've done it to the least
of these, you've done it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Also under me.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The book that I love says, learn to do good,
seek justice, rescue the oppress, defend the orphan, plead for
the widow, speak out for those who cannot speak for
the rights of the destitute. Speak out, judge righteously defend
the rights of the poor and the needing. Her book says,
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whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord
and will be repaid in full. The prophet aim Is condemned.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Those who buy the poor.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
For silver and the needy for a pair of sandals.
They sell the poor out and working class people for cheap.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
M hmm. I find that quotation especially interesting that he
would cite that, because again.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Her book says, whoever is kind to the poor lends
to the Lord and will be repaid in full. The
prophet aim Is condemned those who buy the poor for.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
He condemns those who buy the poor What do or
what does our government do when they when the government,
not individuals. We'll get to individuals in a moment. But
what do governments do when they say to the poor,
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here here, let us help you poor, let us help
you feed your children, let us help you educate your child,
let us help you do this. Like every other government program,
every single one, it comes with streams, obligations, requirements. You
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might say, as the prophet Amos did, that you are buying.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
The poor or silver and the needy for a pair
of sandals. They sell the poor out.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And work in class people for cheap. It might be cheap.
It depends on how much you value a vote for
you or your party. If you really value that vote
for yourself for your party, then you're still buying them out.
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Not for cheap, but you're still buying them out. The
quid pro quo is I give you this. What I
expect in return is you support me and for those
of us.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Who have a vote in this moment, for my colleagues
who are swinging on a moral dilemma.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I see no moral dilemma. I hear.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The prophet Michael say, he has already told you what
is good and what does the Lord require, but that
you do justice, love, kindness, and welcomely with your God.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
He requires each of us individually to do that. Christ
was not speaking to the United States govern call explain
why not, hey, Mike. Perhaps he was not referring to
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the Bible, but to Maw's Little Red Book. Yeah, certainly
could have been.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Our book says whoever is kind to the poor lends
to the Lord and will be repaid in full.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The prophet aims condemned.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Those who buy the poor for silver, and the needy
for a pair of sandals. They sell the poor out
and work class people for cheap.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And for those of us.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who have a vote in this moment, from my colleagues.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Who are swinging on.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
A moral dilemma, I hear the prophet Micah say, he
has already told you what is good and what does
the Lord require, but that you do justice, love, kindness,
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and welcomely with your God. May God be with our
nation and grant us grace, wisdom, and courage for this moment.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
A First Amendment to the Constitution says Congress shall make
no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof Many falsely, mistakenly and incorrectly unconstitutionally interpret
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that as there is some sort of separation of church
and state. There is no such language anywhere in the Constitution.
The Constitution simply prohibits the establishment of a state religion.
You're free to bring your religion into the halls of Congress,
and in fact, we would be foolish to think that
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people who get elected to Congress don't bring their own
religious beliefs into that position at any level. I don't
care if you're elected as the dog care, you bring
your religious beliefs to that position. However, and it's a
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gigantic However, the Bible does not explicitly mandate that government
care for the poor in the way that the modern
welfare states currently function now. As Pastor Warnock Pastor Senator
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Warnock points out, the Bible does emphasize care for the
poor as a moral imperative, but at an individual level.
In fact, I would even go so far as to
say even at a community level. And I use the
word community specifically, because, for example, when you go to
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the Old Testament's laws, like the gleaning provisions in Leviticus
nineteen verses nine through ten, those were directed at Israel's community.
It was directed at the Jews. It was directed at
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their family, their humanity, not at a centralized state, not
at the state of Israel. Passages like Deuteronomy chapter fifteen,
verses seven through eleven, or Proverbs nineteen seventeen all stress
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personal responsibility to help the needy generously, and in fact,
Christ frames it as a matter of justice and compassion
directed at the individuals. You've heard me say numerous times
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that thankfully, my salvation does not depend upon your salvation.
That each of us has our own individual relationship with
Christ and with God, and that our salvation is dependent
upon that relationship. And we are granted salvation through the
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grace of God. And I don't depend upon you. And
Lord knows you don't want to depend upon me. Trust me,
you do not want to depend upon me. And I'm
sure there are many in this audience, some of whom
maybe it would be easy if I were dependent upon you,
but I don't want to be, and some of you
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that I would be scared to death if my salvation
was dependent upon you. New Testament teachings like Christ called
to love your neighbor Matthew twenty two, verse thirty nine,
or even the Church the Early Church's voluntary sharing acts
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that Shall find an Ax chapter two, verses forty four
and forty five. All of those focus on individual action,
not government policy. Now, some will argue, as ralph Raphaele
Warnock will, that some Biblical principles of justice Psalm chapter
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seventy two, verses twelve through fourteen, where righteous kings deliver
the needy, could extend to governments as because governments are
tasked with upholding justice. But the counterpoint would be that
the Bible never explicitly assigns that role to secular authorities,
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and forcing charity through taxation is not the equivalent of
voluntarily giving that is rooted in faith. So in my opinion,
in my humble opinion, the Bible leans heavily toward individual responsibility,
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and government responsibility is something that we have inserted for
purely political reasons in order to end the prophet Aimos's
words to buy the needy. It is a horrible, horrible,
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bastardization of the scriptures, and it is done by Democrats
and Republicans alike to justify and I'm going to be
as crass as I possibly can, in order to justify
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and buy the needy for their own personal power and
re election, and I strong we condemned them for that. Likewise,
those of us who believe like I do, that we
have an individual responsibility, we have abdicated that responsibility. And
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we have abdicated that responsibility to the likes of all
the progressive Marxists from Woodrow Wilson forward, FDR and LBJ,
and all the Democrats and some Republicans and particularly people
I don't mean to pick on a file Warnock. But
he's the one that preached this yesterday, and so therefore
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I will pin it on him for the purposes of
this segment. That abdication means that we have an essence,
failed our own families. We have failed ourselves and our
families because we have allowed this government to grow and
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become so intrusive that now we find ordinary Americans struggling
living paycheck to paycheck and forcibly being forced to pay taxes,
you know, rendering to Caesar that which is Caesar, to
forcibly pay those taxes so that the government can buy
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the needy, pretend to be compassionate, and the white limousine
liberals in this country can sing the Hallelujah chorus that
look how great we are as they go on about
living whatever our sinful lives that they like we all live,
but they feel like they've bought they have bought their
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indulgences through the government and through you. And I find
it despicable, and not only despicable, but I find it sad.
And it's sad that we have gone so far down
this path that when I say things like I don't
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think that we have any moral obligation to extend our
social safety net to those who are non citizens. That
I know people will say that that is racist, that
is cold hearted, that I'm being in a whole about it.
But I think I'm living up to what the founding
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fathers believe. And so as our society has grown more
technologically advanced, more diverse, has grown larger and larger, and
we become more separated, what is the community, Well, the
community is not the government. The community is your neighborhood.
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Maybe you know the schools that your kids go to
where you can fundraise to help a family in need.
Or it's a group of teachers at a school that
know of a kid that needs coats or boots for
the wintertime, who take it upon themselves to collect that
money and go buy those boots for that child. That's
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what Christ expected us to do, because to abdicate it
to the government in essence, releaves us of any obligation. Well,
I pay my taxes, I don't have to do anything else.
Pay my taxes, they can deal with it. And I
think that is a horrible, horrible misinterpretation and a horrible
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belief that somehow, this amorphous, gigantic, overly large burdensome government
that destroys people's lives, actually destroys those communities that the
Bible talks about, actually buys the poor, which Amos says
is an abomination. And we've actually accepted that. We have
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fully and just wholly accepted it. And for anyone to
come on a program like this and to say the
things that I have said, some will say is blasphemous.
And you know what, you can call it whatever you want.
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I don't care, because I firmly and fully believe what
I believe. I just listen to the local news there.
I'm just curious. When I come trucking down A twenty
five past.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Heart radio studio, I'll be waving at you.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I was just wondering, is my concealed carry permit from
Ida host still going to be good in Colorado? Or
am I screwed? Well, you're screwed because you're driving down
I twenty five past the iHeart studios and you'll be
waving at me, So you're screwed regardless. The only question
I have is were you waving with all five fingers
just the one? Just the one? Yeah, it's and it's
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the thumb, it's the big Donald Trump thumbs up, right, Yeah, yeah,
well it could be with him. It could be the
big Donald Trump thumbs down too. The uh, the current
state of the bill is the big beautiful bill that
oh you know, before I get to that, one quick thing,
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I thought this text message was spot on zero four
three three. The problem I had with Senator Warnock is
it's always the left that screams about separating church and state.
It sounds to me like Senator Warnock is putting his
religious beliefs right into the Senate. Yeah, that's exactly what
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he's doing. And he's doing that precisely because that's their
justification for keeping illegal aliens on Medicaid, Medicare and Social
Security and whatever other programs they can put them on.
They're trying to invoke religion. They're trying, and they're trying,
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and they're playing to the hearts and minds of people
who are not paying close attention that, oh my gosh,
how can how can this wealthy, the wealthiest country on
the face of the earth, until you look at the
balance sheet, how can we possibly be so cruel? We're
not being cruel at all. We're we're basically saying to
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these people, you broke the law, and you're you're not
a citizen, so you're not entitled to the benefits of
being a citizen, other than some of the rudimentary things
that anybody would be entitled to even if they came
here legally. The example I always give that, you know,
if you come here on a tourist piece. It's just
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like if I go if I go to Europe, I
cause a car wreck, well I'm going to be liable
under their jurisdiction. But just because I'm in Italy or
I'm in Germany or Austria, he doesn't mean that I'm
entitled the titled all of their social safety net benefits.
You nice if I was, but I am not.
If I had twenty nine million dollars in my bank account,
I'd never have to work another day in my life.
I mean, twenty nine million dollars is still a s
load of money. Is that the same person that left
the talk back that caused that resulted in the tirade
about twenty nine million dollars? Yeah? Probably? Okay, I just
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it's okay, chill out, Just just chill out. We had
a text message that I thought was hilarious about that.
Rant K forty three forty four wrote Mike. In all words,
the word relax. That talk back was a setup for
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the little PP punchline. It was obvious that was a
tongue in cheek message left simply to set up the joke.
To be fair, it was a bad joke. Timing is everything,
and that setup was way too long. Was the most
offensive part of the talkback. The President's making a trip today.
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He's going to go to Florida and he's going to
join in his former nemesis, Governor Ron De Santis. Have
you thought about rohnd de Santis lately, because I'm always
I'm still fascinated because back way back when, back you know,
after Biden's election I really did believe that. I told
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you this during during that time period, I really thought
that DeSantis would emerge as the Republican nominee. Man, he
just crashed and burned like one of Musk's rockets, just
kind of group took up and they just kind of
nose died right back down. Well, anyway, Trump and de
Sandas are going to get back together today for the
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opening of that new Illegal Immigration Descenter center at the
Miami Dade call your training facility, which everybody's referring to
as Alligator Alcatraz, which I'll get to that monicuer in
just in a second. No, I haven't forgotten about the preacher.
I'm going to get to the preacher, but I wanted
to talk about this before Trump actually heads down there.
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In fact, the Chiron is soon Trump tours Florida's Alligator Alcatraz.
That particular facility was approved by the Department of Homeland Security.
It's located smack Dack in the middle of the Everglades,
and its intended use is for detaining illegal aliens. The
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Santus is out there emphasizing the logistical simplicity and the
natural God made security features, which are alligators and pythons.
The Santas said, and I quote people say, there are
training flights that go in there, but it's a massive runway,
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and you know, there's not a lot of buildings out there,
but there's a lot of concrete. And so these guys
set up this whole thing within a matter of days.
He emphasizes that the facility is not defunct, and like
everybody else, wants to highlight the natural barriers which makes
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it difficult for detainees to escape. Quote, the security is
amazing natural and otherwise. The Santus explains that this facility
will help expedite the deportation process, and he describes it
as you know, you can literally drive them to two
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thousand feet, put them on a plane, and then they're gone.
They're just gone. It's very simple logistically, he says. The
existing runways allows the federal government to fly detainees out
of the country directly from the site. So yesterday the
President announced that he would joined the Santras for the
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opening of this facility, and according to the governor, he
spoke with the Trump. Vote he spoke with the Trump.
We should just start calling that the Trump. He spoke
with Trump over the weekend and says that Trump's really
excited about doing it, and Dessanda's of course, wants to
take some credit. He says that Florida is assisting the
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federal government in fulfilling the voter's mandate on immigration enforcement, saying,
and I quote again, we are literally, we literally are
doing what the voters who elected us, all of us,
have been been demanding for many, many years. And I
agree with that. Now you may or may not agree
with what I'm about to say. I get that alligator
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Alcatraz has a certain alliteration, alligator Alcatraz, and of course
it brings up, you know, visions of the Alcatraz in
San Francisco. But we're actually giving Look, if you're if
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you're an illegal alien and you've been convicted of child
molestation or killing a dog or selling drugs, you know
that end up in the death of you know, some teenagers,
or you're a drunk driver and you kill you know,
a young college student. Lincoln Riley or thinking to you,
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Lincoln Riley, just want to remind you of Biden? Do
we really though? I guess the child molesters and the
dog killers. If you try to escape and you get
eaten by you know, an alligator, or you get you know,
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uh squeezed to death by a python. Uh, stupid you.
You shouldn't have tried to escape. I don't know how
many of the illegal illegal the criminal illegal aliens that
we have been capturing, detaining and deporting, I don't how
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many of them have actually escaped. So I don't know
that escape was actually an issue. And I don't have
a problem with this facility. If if it was built
as a train it's called the Miami Dade call your
training facility. It was built as a training facility with
sufficient runways you can fly in and fly out of there.
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So in order to do that, all of the eies
is the environmental impact statements under the National Environmental Protection Act.
All of that's probably already been done, and I would
guess that somebody's going to sue and claim that you
just have to do them all over again, But the
Supreme Court is ruled that, no, you really don't have
to do that. It's that's that's not what the NIPA
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Act required. The problem I have is with the name
Alligator Alcatraz, not because I personally have a problem with it.
I think we just gave ammunition to the left. Oh
you see, those right wing nut job Republicans just want
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those illegal aliens to get eaten up by alligators. That's
what they want to do. I mean, that's how stupid
they are. I mean, that's just how stupid they sound.
I don't want anybody to get eaten up by an alligator,
unless I again, I'm wavering about child molesters and you know,
dog killers, but that's neither. You're no there. I just
(07:43):
think that, you know, I get it. It's cute, it's funny,
but I think we just gave some ammo unnecessarily to
the left of it. We really didn't need to give
to them. So open it up, put them there, fly
them out in the middle of nowhere, which will of
him people who love the Everglades. But I've been to
the Everglades and it's in the middle of nowhere, and
(08:05):
so have at it. Now, let's get to the United
States Senate, because it just seems to me that something
said on the Senate floor about the big Beautiful Bill
by Senator Raphael Warnock, the Democrat from Georgia, who should
(08:27):
not be a US senator, but because Trump before he
kind of realized that what he says matters kind of
got this guy elected. I don't say that to be critical.
I just want to make sure you understand that. But
for Trump encouraging people not to go vote in Georgia,
(08:49):
we ended up with this yahoo he went to the Senate. Now,
remember the big beautiful bill does things like takes it
illegal aliens. Well, say the original version of the bill,
because I'm not sure where it is today. The original
version of the bill said that illegal aliens would not
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be entitled to medicate.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Maybe because I was here yesterday and eight years ago
for a similar fight with faith leaders.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Maybe because I'm a preacher and.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's Sunday and I've been here instead of church. I
have especially been thinking about those of us who are
people of faith, people whose lives are informed by scripture,
people of the book.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
That includes many of us, including me. All right, so
he's talking to us, and maybe those of.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Us who have different politics but read from the same book.
Ought to spend some time together.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Reading the book.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Because I do sometimes wonder, and I say this with
all humility, None of us, none of us.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Owns the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
But if I'm honest that there are days when I
have to ask people of my faith tradition as a Christian,
are we reading the same book?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The book? ID know says, Now, he just said that
none of us own the truth, But now he's going
on to tell us that, well, here's the truth. I
was hungry and you fed me.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I was sick, I was in prison and you visited me.
I was a stranger and you welcomed me. And as
much as you've done it to the least of these,
you've done it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Also under me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The book that I love says, learned to do good,
seek justice, rescue the oppressed, defend the orphan, plead for
the widow.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Let's just pause for a moment, and let's back up.
Who is Christ speaking to when he utters those words
and used It'll use past tense, I'll use present tents
because I believe that He utters those words to us
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every single day, and you fed me.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Are we reading the same book the book? Guy knows sense,
I was hungry and you fed me.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Who will you me? Dragon? He's speaking to us individually.
You see, Christ knows each of us individually, and when
he speaks those words, he is speaking to those words
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to us as individuals. So I believe that I have
a moral obligation as part of my faith to care
for the poor, the hungry, the oppressed, and so I
tried to do that in ways that I can, in
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ways that I choose to do those things.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I was sick, I was in prison, and you visited me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I was a stranger, And now I have to confess
I've well, I guess when I was a baby lawyer,
I did visit them in prison. I had to go
to jails many times as a baby lawyer to visit
with people that you know, judges who for whatever reason
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liked me and said, well, let's get Mikey to do it,
and so Mike you would end up doing it. So
I guess I have. But in recent memory, no, I
really have not. Oh occasionally, Dragon won't tell you. Occasionally
we get prison letters here and I read them. I
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don't respond to them, but I do read them, and
you welcome me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And as much as you've done it to the least
of these, you've done it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Also under me.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The book that I love says, learn to do good,
seek justice, rescue the oppress, defend the orphan, plead for
the widow, speak out for those who cannot speak for
the rights of the destitute. Speak out, judge righteously defend
the rights of the poor and the needing. Her book says,
(14:01):
whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord
and will be repaid in full. The prophet aim Is condemned.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Those who buy the poor.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
For silver and the needy for a pair of sandals.
They sell the poor out and working class people for cheap.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
M hmm. I find that quotation especially interesting that he
would cite that, because again.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Her book says, whoever is kind to the poor lends
to the Lord and will be repaid in full. The
prophet aim Is condemned those who buy the poor for.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
He condemns those who buy the poor What do or
what does our government do when they when the government,
not individuals. We'll get to individuals in a moment. But
what do governments do when they say to the poor,
(15:10):
here here, let us help you poor, let us help
you feed your children, let us help you educate your child,
let us help you do this. Like every other government program,
every single one, it comes with streams, obligations, requirements. You
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might say, as the prophet Amos did, that you are buying.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
The poor or silver and the needy for a pair
of sandals. They sell the poor out.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And work in class people for cheap. It might be cheap.
It depends on how much you value a vote for
you or your party. If you really value that vote
for yourself for your party, then you're still buying them out.
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Not for cheap, but you're still buying them out. The
quid pro quo is I give you this. What I
expect in return is you support me and for those
of us.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Who have a vote in this moment, for my colleagues
who are swinging on a moral dilemma.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I see no moral dilemma. I hear.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The prophet Michael say, he has already told you what
is good and what does the Lord require, but that
you do justice, love, kindness, and welcomely with your God.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
He requires each of us individually to do that. Christ
was not speaking to the United States govern call explain
why not, hey, Mike. Perhaps he was not referring to
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the Bible, but to Maw's Little Red Book. Yeah, certainly
could have been.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Our book says whoever is kind to the poor lends
to the Lord and will be repaid in full.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The prophet aims condemned.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Those who buy the poor for silver, and the needy
for a pair of sandals. They sell the poor out
and work class people for cheap.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And for those of us.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Who have a vote in this moment, from my colleagues.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Who are swinging on.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
A moral dilemma, I hear the prophet Micah say, he
has already told you what is good and what does
the Lord require, but that you do justice, love, kindness,
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and welcomely with your God. May God be with our
nation and grant us grace, wisdom, and courage for this moment.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
A First Amendment to the Constitution says Congress shall make
no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof Many falsely, mistakenly and incorrectly unconstitutionally interpret
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that as there is some sort of separation of church
and state. There is no such language anywhere in the Constitution.
The Constitution simply prohibits the establishment of a state religion.
You're free to bring your religion into the halls of Congress,
and in fact, we would be foolish to think that
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people who get elected to Congress don't bring their own
religious beliefs into that position at any level. I don't
care if you're elected as the dog care, you bring
your religious beliefs to that position. However, and it's a
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gigantic However, the Bible does not explicitly mandate that government
care for the poor in the way that the modern
welfare states currently function now. As Pastor Warnock Pastor Senator
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Warnock points out, the Bible does emphasize care for the
poor as a moral imperative, but at an individual level.
In fact, I would even go so far as to
say even at a community level. And I use the
word community specifically, because, for example, when you go to
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the Old Testament's laws, like the gleaning provisions in Leviticus
nineteen verses nine through ten, those were directed at Israel's community.
It was directed at the Jews. It was directed at
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their family, their humanity, not at a centralized state, not
at the state of Israel. Passages like Deuteronomy chapter fifteen,
verses seven through eleven, or Proverbs nineteen seventeen all stress
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personal responsibility to help the needy generously, and in fact,
Christ frames it as a matter of justice and compassion
directed at the individuals. You've heard me say numerous times
(22:00):
that thankfully, my salvation does not depend upon your salvation.
That each of us has our own individual relationship with
Christ and with God, and that our salvation is dependent
upon that relationship. And we are granted salvation through the
(22:21):
grace of God. And I don't depend upon you. And
Lord knows you don't want to depend upon me. Trust me,
you do not want to depend upon me. And I'm
sure there are many in this audience, some of whom
maybe it would be easy if I were dependent upon you,
but I don't want to be, and some of you
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that I would be scared to death if my salvation
was dependent upon you. New Testament teachings like Christ called
to love your neighbor Matthew twenty two, verse thirty nine,
or even the Church the Early Church's voluntary sharing acts
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that Shall find an Ax chapter two, verses forty four
and forty five. All of those focus on individual action,
not government policy. Now, some will argue, as ralph Raphaele
Warnock will, that some Biblical principles of justice Psalm chapter
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seventy two, verses twelve through fourteen, where righteous kings deliver
the needy, could extend to governments as because governments are
tasked with upholding justice. But the counterpoint would be that
the Bible never explicitly assigns that role to secular authorities,
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and forcing charity through taxation is not the equivalent of
voluntarily giving that is rooted in faith. So in my opinion,
in my humble opinion, the Bible leans heavily toward individual responsibility,
(24:11):
and government responsibility is something that we have inserted for
purely political reasons in order to end the prophet Aimos's
words to buy the needy. It is a horrible, horrible,
(24:31):
bastardization of the scriptures, and it is done by Democrats
and Republicans alike to justify and I'm going to be
as crass as I possibly can, in order to justify
(24:51):
and buy the needy for their own personal power and
re election, and I strong we condemned them for that. Likewise,
those of us who believe like I do, that we
have an individual responsibility, we have abdicated that responsibility. And
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we have abdicated that responsibility to the likes of all
the progressive Marxists from Woodrow Wilson forward, FDR and LBJ,
and all the Democrats and some Republicans and particularly people
I don't mean to pick on a file Warnock. But
he's the one that preached this yesterday, and so therefore
(25:33):
I will pin it on him for the purposes of
this segment. That abdication means that we have an essence,
failed our own families. We have failed ourselves and our
families because we have allowed this government to grow and
(25:57):
become so intrusive that now we find ordinary Americans struggling
living paycheck to paycheck and forcibly being forced to pay taxes,
you know, rendering to Caesar that which is Caesar, to
forcibly pay those taxes so that the government can buy
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the needy, pretend to be compassionate, and the white limousine
liberals in this country can sing the Hallelujah chorus that
look how great we are as they go on about
living whatever our sinful lives that they like we all live,
but they feel like they've bought they have bought their
(26:43):
indulgences through the government and through you. And I find
it despicable, and not only despicable, but I find it sad.
And it's sad that we have gone so far down
this path that when I say things like I don't
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think that we have any moral obligation to extend our
social safety net to those who are non citizens. That
I know people will say that that is racist, that
is cold hearted, that I'm being in a whole about it.
But I think I'm living up to what the founding
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fathers believe. And so as our society has grown more
technologically advanced, more diverse, has grown larger and larger, and
we become more separated, what is the community, Well, the
community is not the government. The community is your neighborhood.
(27:52):
Maybe you know the schools that your kids go to
where you can fundraise to help a family in need.
Or it's a group of teachers at a school that
know of a kid that needs coats or boots for
the wintertime, who take it upon themselves to collect that
money and go buy those boots for that child. That's
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what Christ expected us to do, because to abdicate it
to the government in essence, releaves us of any obligation. Well,
I pay my taxes, I don't have to do anything else.
Pay my taxes, they can deal with it. And I
think that is a horrible, horrible misinterpretation and a horrible
(28:39):
belief that somehow, this amorphous, gigantic, overly large burdensome government
that destroys people's lives, actually destroys those communities that the
Bible talks about, actually buys the poor, which Amos says
is an abomination. And we've actually accepted that. We have
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fully and just wholly accepted it. And for anyone to
come on a program like this and to say the
things that I have said, some will say is blasphemous.
And you know what, you can call it whatever you want.
(29:25):
I don't care, because I firmly and fully believe what
I believe. I just listen to the local news there.
I'm just curious. When I come trucking down A twenty
five past.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Heart radio studio, I'll be waving at you.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I was just wondering, is my concealed carry permit from
Ida host still going to be good in Colorado? Or
am I screwed? Well, you're screwed because you're driving down
I twenty five past the iHeart studios and you'll be
waving at me, So you're screwed regardless. The only question
I have is were you waving with all five fingers
just the one? Just the one? Yeah, it's and it's
(30:05):
the thumb, it's the big Donald Trump thumbs up, right, Yeah, yeah,
well it could be with him. It could be the
big Donald Trump thumbs down too. The uh, the current
state of the bill is the big beautiful bill that
oh you know, before I get to that, one quick thing,
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I thought this text message was spot on zero four
three three. The problem I had with Senator Warnock is
it's always the left that screams about separating church and state.
It sounds to me like Senator Warnock is putting his
religious beliefs right into the Senate. Yeah, that's exactly what
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he's doing. And he's doing that precisely because that's their
justification for keeping illegal aliens on Medicaid, Medicare and Social
Security and whatever other programs they can put them on.
They're trying to invoke religion. They're trying, and they're trying,
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and they're playing to the hearts and minds of people
who are not paying close attention that, oh my gosh,
how can how can this wealthy, the wealthiest country on
the face of the earth, until you look at the
balance sheet, how can we possibly be so cruel? We're
not being cruel at all. We're we're basically saying to
(31:34):
these people, you broke the law, and you're you're not
a citizen, so you're not entitled to the benefits of
being a citizen, other than some of the rudimentary things
that anybody would be entitled to even if they came
here legally. The example I always give that, you know,
if you come here on a tourist piece. It's just
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like if I go if I go to Europe, I
cause a car wreck, well I'm going to be liable
under their jurisdiction. But just because I'm in Italy or
I'm in Germany or Austria, he doesn't mean that I'm
entitled the titled all of their social safety net benefits.
You nice if I was, but I am not.
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