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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Education Secretary Linda McMahon announced that the University of Pennsylvania
will be sending a personal apology to every athletic woman
who had to compete against a man.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Finally, indeed, Ryan schuling with you in for Michael Brown
today dragging alongside as we're launching into Independence Day. And
what listener, Alexi recognize your voice was saying in that
talkback is true and worthy of celebration. And keep in
mind as well that penn technically is President Trump's alma mater.
(00:39):
He is an IVY League. Bran I went to the
Wharton School. It's really great for business. And this continues
the wins and we'll be talking about this topic throughout
today's program as well with a couple of guests including
Simon A Maya Price, a d transitioner. But this is
someone Simon who identifies now as a simply a biological
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male who is bisexual. But you take that and you
put it into equation where there's only one outcome, there's
a guaranteed outcome. This is what happens in Massachusetts and Colorado.
There are laws in the books that let's say somebody's
experiencing gender dysphoria, which is literally meaning confusion. You're confused.
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Maybe you want to identify as the opposite gender. Maybe
it's just something you're going through that you're going to
work through. And you're actually the gender that you were
born as and you are gay, and that's fine. But
the thing about the laws in Massachusetts in Colorado is
we'll find out more about later, is you're only allowed
as a therapist to affirm somebody's gender dysphoria, meaning identifying
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as the opposite gender, and that can be the only
path the.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Treatment can go down.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You can't present them a menu of options a person
that's experiencing this and go okay, well here's one road
we can go down, and this is you identify as
the opposite gender. You go through all these hormone treatments
and therapy, surgery, we're gonna rearrange your parts, take some off,
add some on, you know, cut a little off the top,
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and we're gonna explore that very arduous road with you.
It's gonna be a very difficult life. There're gonna be
many complications physical and otherwise sexual, social, or or maybe
or not the opposite gender. Let's pump the brakes. Let's
slow down. Let's talk about it and we'll hash that
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part of it out. And that's an option, that's an
off ramp, and the choice is yours as we kind
of do more in depth discovery about why you're feeling
the way you're feeling. See to me, I'm not in
the realm of psychology or psychiatry. It would seem to me,
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oh that you wouldn't want a predetermined outcome, especially one
that is as extreme as going down the transgender road.
But maybe that's just me. So why are they doing that?
We'll get to that topic a little bit later, But
this is long overdue. The NCAAA coming to its senses.
Donald Trump's signing the executive Order. The tide is turning
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on this topic. But in Colorado because we just signed
thirteen twelve Governor Jared Polis into law, and Representative Brandy Bradley,
who is running to become the minority whip in the
House for the Republican Party, will be joining us as well.
Your text are out today's program. This is how good
of a producer Dragon is. He anticipated that I would
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ask this question upon occupying this seat for the illustrious
Michael Brown, and he sent me ahead of time. The
special text line for the situation at thirty three one
oh three three three one zero three Dragon, how you
doing over there?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'm good, buddy, and yourself. I know you're not a
morning persons, not at all. This test to hurt little bit,
not even a little. Am I a morning person? I'm
a night owl. Honey, sleep all day long? Well not
all day a long. Kelly will say that I sleep.
Are you're just rolling here at like twelve thirty?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's not true. Sometimes I roll in here at twelve. Yeah,
I see you here at twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's gig time. What T shirt am I gonna wear?
That's from tenacious d raking up with the crack of noon.
Dragon knows the reference. Okay, I'm at least comforted by
that fact.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Typically, on an average day, I'll be a hereterul eleven
eleven ish, somewhere in that window between eleven eleven thirty and.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I'm setting stuff up.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I do Dragon type stuff, and then I have to
do my own type stuff. There's a lot of stuff.
A lot of times I like to come in here
and kind of catch up on what's going on on
the situation. I want to be situationally aware and the texts.
As I'm catching up here, I want to ask about
this one with you Dragon. Yeah from Kurt saying, the
day late commander from Battle Creek, Michigan, where's my home state?
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I'm going back there tomorrow morning. Can't be a moment
too soon. The day late commander from Battle Creek, Michigan
put me on the map with navy blue and gold.
That has no reference context to me whatsoever. How about
you next to none.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We were talking about getting a listener map and putting
pins on where people are located and they're listening, so
that might have the reference to do is.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay, Frankly, I barely listened to the situation with Michael
Brown to begin with, so I mean they may have
been talking about something and I just wasn't listening.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This one another topic broke yesterday and I thought was
a bit surprising. And I always like to get Michael
Brown's take on legal matters. There's two things that happened yesterday.
This was one of them. Coburger, that absolute nut took
the plea deal to escape the death penalty, says This
text was Michael's take on the plea deal.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I don't think we really talked about it so much. Sure,
all right, well what are these Texters doing then? Are
they trying to invent content and top trying to get
it out of thin air?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh okay, Brian Coburger, that was a guy's name. I remember.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I was down visiting my buddy Hutch in Tampa when
this story all broke.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I'm like, what the this? It played out like fiction.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And they found him with his dad in a car
in Pennsylvania. Pretty wild stuff. Let's go to this Texter. Ryan,
Glad it's you this morning, since Michael bailed on us.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Trump is incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I love winning, and there's been a lot of winning
and there's going to be a lot more. And I'm
glad to be with you on this morning. It'll be
the only morning, like I said, because I'm heading out
of my own ventures.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Tomorrow morning, going back home.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To the Mitten. Brown is down in house, Am I
assuming that correctly?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Or somewhere else, family something to other. So he said,
oh yeah, I remember that, and then he'll head over
to Chusa. Okay, our thoughts are with Michael Brown. He
did bail though. I mean there's no way around that one.
And then tomorrow morning, you guys get Jimmy Sangenberger. Right, yes, sir, well,
I'm gonna give you a flavor.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm gonna give you a flavor for Jimmy Sangenberger, just
as a preview, just as like a a sampler platter,
an appetizer. This is golden too, You're gonna wait for it.
But he interviewed William Shatner and there was a moment
that stood out that was kind of an all timer,
and it reminded me of another all time moment with
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William Shatner that was featured on Howard Stern, and that
was Shatner's in the recording studio and he's doing these
liners or intros, you know, for this this Space theme program.
I'm sure he got a lot more of those than
he ever cared to do. He was kind of type
cast for a time. There was type cast as Captain Kirk.
People maybe forget that, but it's hard for him to
get work. And then he got what was a TJ.
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Hooker right and throughout the eighties and nineties, Boston Legal
really was. He was phenomenal with James uh But you know,
he's like, Hey, take a journey through time with me
and space. So buckle in and here we go. That's
a brief kind of sample of what you'll hear. And
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he goes off on the producer because kind of from
Dragon's chair where he would be chimes, it goes, I'm sir,
mister Shantner, I would like you to maybe to read
that with a little bit more vim and vigor. Oh,
that was the wrong thing to say. And there was
a moment in the interview, so William Shatner's coming here.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Producer idiot had no idea who he was talking.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
To, just in the manner exactly show some respect. I
know it sounds like, well, William Shatner's got a big ego.
He does well, that's part of the job is being
aware of that in that moment that you're gonna have
to cater. Oh, mister Shatner, Oh that was really good.
But tell you what, da da da da dah. William
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Shantner's coming to Denver for Comic Con this weekend. Think
about it. Guy's ninety four. When you hear him, you're
gonna be there's no way that guy's ninety four. First
of all, oh two things there's no way William Shatner
hearing him is ninety four. Age is just number whatever.
He's twelve years older, folks than Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh, okay, eighty two.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But Jimmy was able to track down an interview with
him for Mandy Connell's program. Jimmy sat in on the
interview because it was supposed to be when he was
filling in for Mandy, but there was some kind of delay,
so Shatner was only available when Mandy was in. But
Mandy felt bad, so she brought Jimmy in to participate
in the interview, and then that's where things got a
little interesting. So I'll be coming up in just a
little bit and he'll be your guest host tomorrow as well.
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Your text once again at three three one zero three,
in case you missed it or were living under a rock.
I know, people that are tuned into this audience, you
are very much on the ball. But in this instance,
I just this is a good summary of what happened
yesterday with a big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Oh thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
You know I'm waiting and.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Listening to these wonderful words and they are music in
my ears. But I was also wondering how we're doing
because I know this is prime time. It shows that
I care about you because I'm here and I probably
should be there.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
President Trump touting the historic impact of the big, beautiful
bill and what it will have on the lives of Americans,
and Senate Republicans deliver him a major win, voting last
hour to approve the bill following a marathon session.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
So the Senate made its way through the night and
those negotiations to get the GOP holdouts on board, and
the effort appears to have worked, with Republicans winning over
Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski, vice President Vance stepping in to
provide the tie breaking vote needed to get that bill
across the finish line.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
The bill now heads back to the House and the
Freedom Caucus is already ripping the Senate version of the
proposal for adding to the national deficit. Aus Frey mc
cox's chairman Andy Harris is among those lawmakers who have
publicly said.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
There are no on the bill. And here was Andy
Harris in that interview, this is not ready for prime time.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
We support the president's agenda. The president's agenda was not
to raise the deficit by three quarters of a trillion
dollars over the next ten years. The bottom line is
now the House is going to have it said. This
is not going to sail through the House. We're going
to have to negotiate with the Senate one more time,
and that's just appropriate. That's the way the legislative process
works and the way it should work on a bill
of this size.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I spoke with Representative Gabe Evans on Monday. So much
has happened in the forty eight hours in between, but
he was optimistic under Speaker Johnson's leadership that they would
be able to get this thing done. There's a lot
of uncertainty. I've seen varying reports.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
There was the parliamentarian. A lot of people are.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Talking about her and I don't even know her name.
She shouldn't matter, she does apparently doesn't have to. And
here's the frustrating part for me is that this woman
is a Obama Biden appointee. Somehow was able to survive
the upheaval of the Senate and the switch to republic leadership.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There were no changes made.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Not sure why Senator john fun now the Majority leader,
just kind of let her stay around and now she's
calling shots on what should be in the bill and
out of the bill, and whether illegal aliens should receive medicaid.
That's a very big part of this, and it's a
very big part of why I in general support an
imperfect bill. Don't like everything in it, don't like all
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the spending in it. I agree with Thomas Massey and
a lot of these fiscal hawks like Senator Ran Paul
that I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
In that context, however, you're going to have to pass
the Trump Agenda, and in order to do so with
a narrowly divided House and Senate, there are going to.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Be sweeteners in there.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
They came up with one for Lisa murkhy Murkowski out
of Alaska, and we're able to kind of bait her
in with a bribe basically that benefited her constituents in
that state. A lot of people not happy about that.
Then you got the salt deduction, state and local tax
literally what it stands for what happens here. And I
really hate this, I really hate this part. But you
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have New York and California Republicans. First of all, it's
difficult to win in those states as Republicans. In a
lot of those districts to begin with, seeing need them
in order to constitute the thin margin that the Republicans
have in the House, and they live under circumstances where
their constituents, through no fault of their own, in those
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Republican districts in those blue states, are having to pay
exorbitant state and local taxes. The state income tax in
California is ridiculous in New York as well.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So what happens is.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You carve out these federal tax kind of kickbacks for
people who live in those states, so that offsets these
egregious state income taxes. But now you're a person living
in Florida, no state income tax there, or Tennessee or
one of several other states that doesn't have a state
income tax.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You're like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
On a federal level, why should I subsidize somebody that
lives in a stupid blue state with bad laws like Colorato?
And I get that, I empathize with that. But if
you cut out that carve out, now you lose all
the New York and California Republicans and you can't get
the bill across the finish line. You see what's happening here.
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So it's one of those things, you have to make
compromises that you don't like. And I don't like him
anymore than anybody else does. But if you stand on
principle waiting for the perfect bill, the perfect bill's not
going to happen, and especially not with these narrow margins.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So you've got to get something done.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You got to get a substantive policy positions across the
finish line, like the Trump tax cuts. Those are extremely important,
like the border enforcement and reinforcement of those forces on
the border, and that leads us to Alligator Alcatraz, which
we'll touch on as well. This was an interesting moment.
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We'll have one of my editions of Trump's hot takes
coming up in just a little bit, where he was
visiting Ron de Santis and they were asking him, what
was it, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
We're his relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Trump's relationship with a Santus stood like on a scale
of one to ten. He said a ten, maybe nine
point nine something like that. So I guess that was
good to hear. And of course the Democrats have their
talking points trotted out on that one. But before we
go to break Dragon, we're coming up on the Independence
Day holiday. This is a big one. This is one
that's very meaningful to me personally as a very proud American,
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A little lot of you out there as well.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It's a time in.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Michigan where we don't enjoy a lot of warm weather
there growing up, and a lot less than maybe you
have here. But Fourth of July usually it's real nice
and hot, it's humid.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You're out on one of the many lakes in that
great lake state.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You know, you're having barbecue, you're getting together a family,
you're having a few brewis, you're firing off fireworks. So
that you went across the border to buy in Ohio,
oh or Indiana, Michigan's got weird fireworks lies, I think,
isn't it the same here?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
People go to Wyoming to buy fireworks and they come back.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
My nephews to make that trick probably right about now, yeah, yeah, anyway,
So and then you know, I love to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's just a part of the tradition of being an
American and enjoying that holiday. You find where the best
fireworks shows are. So a couple questions as we head
into the first break here, but where any of you
like to go to watch the fireworks? You know, I'm
taking of a place. You bust out the campfire chair
and the blanket, and you got your Bruce skis and
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maybe some snacks and you're watching the fireworks and wait
pretty late here because you got to wait till it's dark,
and you know where those are most enjoyable to watch.
And then as you're watching those programs, they always have
like a mix of music that they play with it,
you know, and some of the songs are unintentionally ironic,
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like everybody go oh, Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's the one, Well you sure you want to play that?
The theme of that Listen to the lyrics of that song.
It's a great song.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And I've got my issues with Bruce Ringstein politically, don't
get me wrong there.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
But it's an anti war song. It's kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's kind of undermining what should be the American dream
and what happened when those who fought in Vietnam came back.
And it's a deeply meaningful song, but it's not one
of those raw, raw America's great songs.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So which one do you enjoy hearing? Maybe it's that song.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Maybe you don't even care, You just love that song
and you want to hear it when the fireworks are playing.
That's one example everybody's going to point to God, blessed
the ussay, Proud to be an American. Lee Greenwood right,
And Lee Greenwood's doing He's doing really well into his eighties,
still performing that song at a Trump events and such. Now,
that one always kind of lifts your spirits up. But
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for me, brother, it's America the Beautiful by Ray Charles,
and it always will be. That is the quintessential American
song by a guy like Ray Charles. That means so
much to American music, authentic American music. But I don't
know anybody that does that song better. And when that
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song comes up and the fireworks are going, I'm like,
get me my red, white and blue, and I'm ready
to rock on Independence Day.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And that's another thing people keep Fourth of July. Fourth
of July. It is the fourth of July, but I
like to refer to it as what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Independence Day coming up in just a couple of days.
You got big plans? Let me know about him thirty
three one oh three, And where are you going to
watch fireworks? If you so choose? Ryan Schuling And for
Michael Brown.
Speaker 10 (18:38):
Hello, Ryan and Dragon. Why would people get on the
radio or text you or whatever about where their favorite
firework watching place is, because then it will become overcrowded
and then it will not be enjoyable anymore. Don't ask
silly questions.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And he Ray Charles a great American. So is our
next guest, a colonel in the Colorado National Guard. The
district attorney in the twenty third George Brockler joins us.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
George, welcome back, Hey, thanks for having me with that intro.
By the way, there was a moment where I'm like, oh,
who's going to be on before me? It was like
that was great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, unfortunately Ray Charles no longer with us, but that
song for me. George, Oh geez, such thoughts of pride
about the country and of course this week with Independence
Day and you having served in the Colorado National Guard
as a colonel.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Just what it means to you, George, to be an American?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
You know, I think it's easy to say. Look, I
just feel blessed to be in a place where you
can exercise the freedoms that you can. I think the
park that a lot of us forget about, and I'm
not preaching here is just what a debt we owe,
not just for those who came before us, but what
we need to do for those who come after us.
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And I got to tell you, Man, for a guy
who's running out of roa way right now on his
military career, just by function of years of service, not
anything else, I look back and I think, you know,
this country could have asked so much more of me,
and it didn't. And I feel guilty about that, you know,
like I fully expected I would go to Iraq and
Afghanistan and I ended up only going to Iraq. And
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when I say only, I'm not trying to diminish my service,
I just I just thought they would ask more of me, man,
So I carry around a little bit of guilt about
not having done more, and I'm running out of opportunities
to do it. So for me, Man, I just I
love the Fourth The Memorial Day of the Fourth in
Veteran's Day are the three big ones for me. They're
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just so uniquely American and they speak to our sense
of service and independence. And I don't know, and I
appreciate you asked me that, Man, I hadn't really planned
on giving an answer, But yeah, bit.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Of guilt, oh, I appreciate that insight, and you know,
thank you for your service. Obviously, I know all of
our listeners and those who you serve in the twenty
third field that way as well, George. But I got
to tell you Florida in June a conference. One who
schedules such madness? And two what kind of guy goes
to Florida by choice in June?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, it's it was a great honor. And it's gonna
sound weird because it was a District Attorney's association that
asked me to go be the keynote speaker at their
annual conference. But it won in the Florida one, and
I've done that one in the past. It was Louisiana.
Every single year, Louisiana has their national conference in Destin, Florida.
I'd never been. It's on the Gulf of America side,
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which I'd loved, saying, I'm like, oh, it's so nice
to be out here and here the Gulf of America.
I mean, it was just fun. Yeah, but it was.
It was hot, no doubt about it. But the water's great.
The people were sure nice. It was definitely crowded, but
it was a great event and a great honor to
have these folks ask me to come out. It was nice.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, we talked about service to the country, George, and
I can't think of a single issue. Maybe also tied
to human trafficking being fentanyl in this state, but human
trafficking in the form of miners being brought across the border,
being traffied across the country, and the fact that you
are able to deliver this prison sentence for I hesitated
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to call him a man, but distributing over two hundred
thousand images of explicit child pornography. Take us through the
details of this case, George and its resolution.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Yeah, you know, this is one of those ones that
I think people should appreciate as the dark sort of
risks that take place in an open and free society
that we have. Right like everyone's in favor of the
First Amendment, even saying things that just defend others. This
is the criminal extreme end of the kind of freedom
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that we tolerate in this country, and we try to
keep from tolerating through criminal laws and this one, but
it has got to be some kind of record for us.
This guy's names Geryl, Joe, Henry. This guy had over
two hundred thousand images of child porn. And when I
talk about child porn, some of these images, man, are
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infant rape. I mean, so these are not your typical like, oh,
it's a fifteen year old dressed up to look provocative.
Even that would be potentially criminal. This was much much
worse than that. And in talking to the great prosecutors
that handled this case. Abby Haggerty is one of us,
he's a senior deputy DA for US and Daniel Harmio,
who's our chief deputy. They told me that the two
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hundred thousand let me, let me tell you how limited
this is. That's not all he had. That's all we
could get. We reached out to the place where he
stored all of his criminal child rape pictures and they said, yes,
we'll grant you access to download everything, but we're only
going to give you one week's worth of access. And
so the detectives worked around the clock to download as
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much as they could, and at the end of a
week they were able to get two hundred thousand images,
but they couldn't get more. I can't tell you how
many more images that this guy had and was trafficking in,
but he had two hundred thousand images. I sat down
and did the math on this, and I put this
in our release. If this guy looked at each image
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of child sexual exploitation pictures one second on each picture,
two hundred thousand, would take him fifty five straight hours
of looking at nothing but these horrible pictures. This is
horrible stuff. And it's not just you know, it's not
to say he created them, but in trafficking in them,
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you create a market that generates this kind of stuff.
It's just horrible.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
George Brockler, a guest district attorney. In the twenty third,
I recall a scene from a television show from a
while back in which Whatdy Harrelson is planning a detective
and he they show him his reaction too watching a
child exploitation. We assume it's a rape, and you see
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that visceral reaction.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
True, detective, And what I.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Was talking about with my fiance Kelsey over the weekend, George,
is your law enforcement and what you do in the
prosecutor's office talk about downloading all this, I mean, think
about it, and you're having to sift through this filth,
this absolute horrible, evil imagery.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
How do you wrap your head around that? Can you
get that out? Of your mind.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Well one though you can't ever unsee it. It just
gets filed away there somewhere in that gray matter where
you hope to not be revisited by it involuntarily, maybe
while you're sleeping or something else. But the real people,
I mean, I see a fraction of what these hardcore
prosecutors do in my Special Victims Unit. They're the ones
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that consume this by the truckload in order to try
to put together the best case possible to hold these guysccountable.
And here's the crazy thing, man, they are parents. They're
mothers of daughters and sons who are the ages of
the people that are paaring these pictures. I could not
be a Special Victims Unit prosecutor, and I've done my
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share of the child sex assault cases and that kind
of stuff. I couldn't do it as a full time job,
because Ryan I would end up finding myself choking out
someone across the room in the courtroom while the deputies
were pulling me off. I couldn't do it. I would
lose my mind. And yet these people find a way
to plow through these horrible things. And it's not just
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the pictures but the facts and the videos and the
descriptions from the victims. Somehow they get through these things
every single day and they don't go crazy, And I
don't know how they do it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Final question, George, appreciate your time and your efforts and
bringing this individual to justice, But people might see for
your prison sentence for everything you describe and think that's
a little light.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
It should have been more. Can you walk us through
that part of it?
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Oh, I'm so glad you asked once again in surprise
to no one listening to your show, Ryan, is that
Colorado's criminal laws are largely ineffective and incredibly weak. In Colorado,
you could have a jillion images of child rape and
child porn and still be probation eligible, as this guy was.
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So even though he faced up to twenty four years
in the Department of Corrections getting prison at all. Like
we walked into the courtroom, we weren't sure what the
jud's going to do, didn't know. So the judge gives
four years, but people should know any really four years,
dude's going to do about a third of that before
he gets turned out into community corrections and back into
our community. And that's another broken part of the system.
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But it's just weak, ineffective laws by a legislature that
sees prisons and law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's the bad guys that is infuriating what you just
described there, George. I know you're fighting an uphill battle,
sometimes with one hand tied behind your back, and a
lot of these cases, there's only so much you can do,
but you're doing as much as you can. And we
know that for our community, especially in the twenty third
District Douglas County, We're lucky to have you, George, and
I'm lucky to have you on this program.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Hey, thanks for giving me the time to talk about
I appreciate it. Man, I'll be listening.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I just can't believe that four year sentence for two
hundred thousand images of child pornography.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Death.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, violent, violent death, and maybe that'll happen in incarceration.
But according to George Brockler, no fault of his own,
this creep, this monster could get out in like a
year and a half, back into society in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
You kidding me? What is the upside to that? Are
they going to reform this.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Guy, Department of Corrections, Are they going to reform him?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
No, in a year and a half. Surely not. Oh,
but we're gonna go ahead and in probation and kick
him out. Why what is the benefit to doing that?
I cannot wrap my head around that one. Oh my,
thanks to George Brockler for joining us. Didn't mean to
infuriate the audience, but I'm a little worked up over that.
One thirty three to one to three, that is the
text line. Close out hour number one with those and
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also looking forward to Alligator Alcatraz and the libs already
out with the tears a single tier.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Maybe right down the left cheek and the talking points
was that an alligator tier?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh, crocodile tears, Yeah, we can do those too. The
timeout he's dragging, I'm Ryan, no, Michael Brown. But we're
back with the situation. More of it after this.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Hey, guys, don't forget crocodile tears are appropriate for Alligator
Alcatraz because there are also crocodiles in the Everglades.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Oh there are. I didn't know that apparently.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So there's a toll way that connects basically I seventy five,
which goes down from sus Saint Marie, Michigan to what
is it Fort Myers a little further Naples, all the
way through Florida, and that's the Gulf Coast of Florida.
An Alligator Alley is what they call it. It's the
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connector that goes Whoop right across to Miami Fort Lauderdale,
and it goes right through the Everglades. It's the only
road you can take that they built through the Everglades.
It's called Alligator Alley. It's called Alligator Alcatraz. I didn't
know there were crocodiles. Can you do some scientific research
on that dragon? I know you have a knack for it.
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Here's Donald Trump joking about Alligator Alcatraz and that Joe
Biden wanted him in there.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And here's a p should note that this is air
conditioned facility.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So if any of the news planes are keeping him
out in the Hockeyman South Florida, that is wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's probably sicky you here to be on.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Hey, Biden wanted me in here. Okay, he wanted me.
It didn't work out that way, but he wanted me
in here.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
He trails off there and some people thought he said
that son of a bit. I think he said son
of a goat, which is something my dad would say,
and it's and they're about the same age.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
So yeah, and yes there are both alligators and crocodiles.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Florida talkbacker. You were right, You were very right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And I learned something today and that's always a goal
of mine on this program, that I learned something.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And you know the difference to between an alligator and crocodile. Right,
tell me one will see you in a while, one will.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
See you later, see you later, alligator after a while. Crocodile, Yes, exactly.
Here's the here are the talking points. Representative Angie Nixon, Democrat, Florida.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
You love this Florida State Representative Angie Nixon. She is
a Democrat. Representative Nixon, thanks for being with us, and
just tell us your reaction to what you saw on
her today from President Trump's visit to your state.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Yeah, so this isn't about safety. This is actually about
Donald Trump building modern day concentration camps in an effort
to disappear people from our communities. Donald Trump's blueprint for
America has now been come barbed wire and broken families.
You don't make America great again by doing these types
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of things. All he's simply doing is returning our country
to the worst chapters of our history.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, that's an insult to the actual concentration camps of
World War Two. I was just watching a special about
that last night. I mean, a disgraceful comparison. I'm sure though,
that Representative Angie Nixon, Democrat Florida will be the only
one making that comparison with that talking point.
Speaker 13 (32:31):
Oh wait, I had to forget about him. But Ron
DeSantis is still governor of Florida. He took the Comfy
Couch hosts on a tour of the concentration camp that
he's built in Florida in order to round up people,
round people and throw them in a camp because he
doesn't want them in Florida.
Speaker 10 (32:49):
Surprise, surprise.
Speaker 13 (32:50):
The economy of Florida is going to be severely harmed
by rounding up brown people, who, by the way, all
over this country Latinos are afraid to go to work.
Anybody who is perceived or looks the teote is afraid
to go to work.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Bull blank.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
If you're legal in this country and you're a citizen,
you have nothing to worry about whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And he went down that road. Who will pick our crops?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Who will clean our toilets, who will garden our yards.
This is an out of touch individual and it's all
part of the coastal Liberal elites are living in a
tent in Iraq, oftentimes with no ac in the middle
of summer. Nobody complained about that being inhumane.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
For me when I was serving the country, But it's
bad for illegals.
Speaker 14 (33:38):
It's just ridiculous. Long he starts the highest detenure standards
in the industry, I'll put our detensive standards gifts any
state prison, any federal Creshman facility. We got high detensive
standards at high costs. And look like the President says,
we're talking about people are in the country lately that
are published safety threats. How much luxuries you want them
to have? Now, this facilities is going to give exactly
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what the left ben screaming about, due process, due process,
due process. Guess where due process happens. This was silly
because there's gonna be immigration judges there to hear their
case and take them please, and this is going to
be their last stop. When they leave here, they'll be
on deportation plane to their homeland plane.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And simple Tom Holman borders are spelling it out alligator
Alcatraz is driving the left nuts. Probably a good indication
that it's a very good idea. That's our number one
in the books. We'll get to more of your texts
coming up next. You can send them during the break.
Your plans for the fourth of July let us know.
Thirty three one oh three on the situation, Ryan Shuley
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filling in
Education Secretary Linda McMahon announced that the University of Pennsylvania
will be sending a personal apology to every athletic woman
who had to compete against a man.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Finally, indeed, Ryan schuling with you in for Michael Brown
today dragging alongside as we're launching into Independence Day. And
what listener, Alexi recognize your voice was saying in that
talkback is true and worthy of celebration. And keep in
mind as well that penn technically is President Trump's alma mater.
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He is an IVY League. Bran I went to the
Wharton School. It's really great for business. And this continues
the wins and we'll be talking about this topic throughout
today's program as well with a couple of guests including
Simon A Maya Price, a d transitioner. But this is
someone Simon who identifies now as a simply a biological
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male who is bisexual. But you take that and you
put it into equation where there's only one outcome, there's
a guaranteed outcome. This is what happens in Massachusetts and Colorado.
There are laws in the books that let's say somebody's
experiencing gender dysphoria, which is literally meaning confusion. You're confused.
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Maybe you want to identify as the opposite gender. Maybe
it's just something you're going through that you're going to
work through. And you're actually the gender that you were
born as and you are gay, and that's fine. But
the thing about the laws in Massachusetts in Colorado is
we'll find out more about later, is you're only allowed
as a therapist to affirm somebody's gender dysphoria, meaning identifying
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as the opposite gender, and that can be the only
path the.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Treatment can go down.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You can't present them a menu of options a person
that's experiencing this and go okay, well here's one road
we can go down, and this is you identify as
the opposite gender. You go through all these hormone treatments
and therapy, surgery, we're gonna rearrange your parts, take some off,
add some on, you know, cut a little off the top,
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and we're gonna explore that very arduous road with you.
It's gonna be a very difficult life. There're gonna be
many complications physical and otherwise sexual, social, or or maybe
or not the opposite gender. Let's pump the brakes. Let's
slow down. Let's talk about it and we'll hash that
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part of it out. And that's an option, that's an
off ramp, and the choice is yours as we kind
of do more in depth discovery about why you're feeling
the way you're feeling. See to me, I'm not in
the realm of psychology or psychiatry. It would seem to me,
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oh that you wouldn't want a predetermined outcome, especially one
that is as extreme as going down the transgender road.
But maybe that's just me. So why are they doing that?
We'll get to that topic a little bit later, But
this is long overdue. The NCAAA coming to its senses.
Donald Trump's signing the executive Order. The tide is turning
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on this topic. But in Colorado because we just signed
thirteen twelve Governor Jared Polis into law, and Representative Brandy Bradley,
who is running to become the minority whip in the
House for the Republican Party, will be joining us as well.
Your text are out today's program. This is how good
of a producer Dragon is. He anticipated that I would
(03:41):
ask this question upon occupying this seat for the illustrious
Michael Brown, and he sent me ahead of time. The
special text line for the situation at thirty three one
oh three three three one zero three Dragon, how you
doing over there?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'm good, buddy, and yourself. I know you're not a
morning persons, not at all. This test to hurt little bit,
not even a little. Am I a morning person? I'm
a night owl. Honey, sleep all day long? Well not
all day a long. Kelly will say that I sleep.
Are you're just rolling here at like twelve thirty?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's not true. Sometimes I roll in here at twelve. Yeah,
I see you here at twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's gig time. What T shirt am I gonna wear?
That's from tenacious d raking up with the crack of noon.
Dragon knows the reference. Okay, I'm at least comforted by
that fact.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Typically, on an average day, I'll be a hereterul eleven
eleven ish, somewhere in that window between eleven eleven thirty and.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I'm setting stuff up.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I do Dragon type stuff, and then I have to
do my own type stuff. There's a lot of stuff.
A lot of times I like to come in here
and kind of catch up on what's going on on
the situation. I want to be situationally aware and the texts.
As I'm catching up here, I want to ask about
this one with you Dragon. Yeah from Kurt saying, the
day late commander from Battle Creek, Michigan, where's my home state?
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I'm going back there tomorrow morning. Can't be a moment
too soon. The day late commander from Battle Creek, Michigan
put me on the map with navy blue and gold.
That has no reference context to me whatsoever. How about
you next to none.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We were talking about getting a listener map and putting
pins on where people are located and they're listening, so
that might have the reference to do is.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay, Frankly, I barely listened to the situation with Michael
Brown to begin with, so I mean they may have
been talking about something and I just wasn't listening.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This one another topic broke yesterday and I thought was
a bit surprising. And I always like to get Michael
Brown's take on legal matters. There's two things that happened yesterday.
This was one of them. Coburger, that absolute nut took
the plea deal to escape the death penalty, says This
text was Michael's take on the plea deal.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I don't think we really talked about it so much. Sure,
all right, well what are these Texters doing then? Are
they trying to invent content and top trying to get
it out of thin air?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh okay, Brian Coburger, that was a guy's name. I remember.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I was down visiting my buddy Hutch in Tampa when
this story all broke.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I'm like, what the this? It played out like fiction.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And they found him with his dad in a car
in Pennsylvania. Pretty wild stuff. Let's go to this Texter. Ryan,
Glad it's you this morning, since Michael bailed on us.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Trump is incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I love winning, and there's been a lot of winning
and there's going to be a lot more. And I'm
glad to be with you on this morning. It'll be
the only morning, like I said, because I'm heading out
of my own ventures.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Tomorrow morning, going back home.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
To the Mitten. Brown is down in house, Am I
assuming that correctly?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Or somewhere else, family something to other. So he said,
oh yeah, I remember that, and then he'll head over
to Chusa. Okay, our thoughts are with Michael Brown. He
did bail though. I mean there's no way around that one.
And then tomorrow morning, you guys get Jimmy Sangenberger. Right, yes, sir, well,
I'm gonna give you a flavor.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm gonna give you a flavor for Jimmy Sangenberger, just
as a preview, just as like a a sampler platter,
an appetizer. This is golden too, You're gonna wait for it.
But he interviewed William Shatner and there was a moment
that stood out that was kind of an all timer,
and it reminded me of another all time moment with
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William Shatner that was featured on Howard Stern, and that
was Shatner's in the recording studio and he's doing these
liners or intros, you know, for this this Space theme program.
I'm sure he got a lot more of those than
he ever cared to do. He was kind of type
cast for a time. There was type cast as Captain Kirk.
People maybe forget that, but it's hard for him to
get work. And then he got what was a TJ.
(07:50):
Hooker right and throughout the eighties and nineties, Boston Legal
really was. He was phenomenal with James uh But you know,
he's like, Hey, take a journey through time with me
and space. So buckle in and here we go. That's
a brief kind of sample of what you'll hear. And
(08:12):
he goes off on the producer because kind of from
Dragon's chair where he would be chimes, it goes, I'm sir,
mister Shantner, I would like you to maybe to read
that with a little bit more vim and vigor. Oh,
that was the wrong thing to say. And there was
a moment in the interview, so William Shatner's coming here.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Producer idiot had no idea who he was talking.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
To, just in the manner exactly show some respect. I
know it sounds like, well, William Shatner's got a big ego.
He does well, that's part of the job is being
aware of that in that moment that you're gonna have
to cater. Oh, mister Shatner, Oh that was really good.
But tell you what, da da da da dah. William
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Shantner's coming to Denver for Comic Con this weekend. Think
about it. Guy's ninety four. When you hear him, you're
gonna be there's no way that guy's ninety four. First
of all, oh two things there's no way William Shatner
hearing him is ninety four. Age is just number whatever.
He's twelve years older, folks than Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh, okay, eighty two.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But Jimmy was able to track down an interview with
him for Mandy Connell's program. Jimmy sat in on the
interview because it was supposed to be when he was
filling in for Mandy, but there was some kind of delay,
so Shatner was only available when Mandy was in. But
Mandy felt bad, so she brought Jimmy in to participate
in the interview, and then that's where things got a
little interesting. So I'll be coming up in just a
little bit and he'll be your guest host tomorrow as well.
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Your text once again at three three one zero three,
in case you missed it or were living under a rock.
I know, people that are tuned into this audience, you
are very much on the ball. But in this instance,
I just this is a good summary of what happened
yesterday with a big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Oh thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
You know I'm waiting and.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Listening to these wonderful words and they are music in
my ears. But I was also wondering how we're doing
because I know this is prime time. It shows that
I care about you because I'm here and I probably
should be there.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
President Trump touting the historic impact of the big, beautiful
bill and what it will have on the lives of Americans,
and Senate Republicans deliver him a major win, voting last
hour to approve the bill following a marathon session.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
So the Senate made its way through the night and
those negotiations to get the GOP holdouts on board, and
the effort appears to have worked, with Republicans winning over
Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski, vice President Vance stepping in to
provide the tie breaking vote needed to get that bill
across the finish line.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
The bill now heads back to the House and the
Freedom Caucus is already ripping the Senate version of the
proposal for adding to the national deficit. Aus Frey mc
cox's chairman Andy Harris is among those lawmakers who have
publicly said.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
There are no on the bill. And here was Andy
Harris in that interview, this is not ready for prime time.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
We support the president's agenda. The president's agenda was not
to raise the deficit by three quarters of a trillion
dollars over the next ten years. The bottom line is
now the House is going to have it said. This
is not going to sail through the House. We're going
to have to negotiate with the Senate one more time,
and that's just appropriate. That's the way the legislative process
works and the way it should work on a bill
of this size.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I spoke with Representative Gabe Evans on Monday. So much
has happened in the forty eight hours in between, but
he was optimistic under Speaker Johnson's leadership that they would
be able to get this thing done. There's a lot
of uncertainty. I've seen varying reports.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
There was the parliamentarian. A lot of people are.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Talking about her and I don't even know her name.
She shouldn't matter, she does apparently doesn't have to. And
here's the frustrating part for me is that this woman
is a Obama Biden appointee. Somehow was able to survive
the upheaval of the Senate and the switch to republic leadership.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There were no changes made.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Not sure why Senator john fun now the Majority leader,
just kind of let her stay around and now she's
calling shots on what should be in the bill and
out of the bill, and whether illegal aliens should receive medicaid.
That's a very big part of this, and it's a
very big part of why I in general support an
imperfect bill. Don't like everything in it, don't like all
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the spending in it. I agree with Thomas Massey and
a lot of these fiscal hawks like Senator Ran Paul
that I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
In that context, however, you're going to have to pass
the Trump Agenda, and in order to do so with
a narrowly divided House and Senate, there are going to.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Be sweeteners in there.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
They came up with one for Lisa murkhy Murkowski out
of Alaska, and we're able to kind of bait her
in with a bribe basically that benefited her constituents in
that state. A lot of people not happy about that.
Then you got the salt deduction, state and local tax
literally what it stands for what happens here. And I
really hate this, I really hate this part. But you
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have New York and California Republicans. First of all, it's
difficult to win in those states as Republicans. In a
lot of those districts to begin with, seeing need them
in order to constitute the thin margin that the Republicans
have in the House, and they live under circumstances where
their constituents, through no fault of their own, in those
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Republican districts in those blue states, are having to pay
exorbitant state and local taxes. The state income tax in
California is ridiculous in New York as well.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So what happens is.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You carve out these federal tax kind of kickbacks for
people who live in those states, so that offsets these
egregious state income taxes. But now you're a person living
in Florida, no state income tax there, or Tennessee or
one of several other states that doesn't have a state
income tax.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
You're like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
On a federal level, why should I subsidize somebody that
lives in a stupid blue state with bad laws like Colorato?
And I get that, I empathize with that. But if
you cut out that carve out, now you lose all
the New York and California Republicans and you can't get
the bill across the finish line. You see what's happening here.
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So it's one of those things, you have to make
compromises that you don't like. And I don't like him
anymore than anybody else does. But if you stand on
principle waiting for the perfect bill, the perfect bill's not
going to happen, and especially not with these narrow margins.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So you've got to get something done.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You got to get a substantive policy positions across the
finish line, like the Trump tax cuts. Those are extremely important,
like the border enforcement and reinforcement of those forces on
the border, and that leads us to Alligator Alcatraz, which
we'll touch on as well. This was an interesting moment.
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We'll have one of my editions of Trump's hot takes
coming up in just a little bit, where he was
visiting Ron de Santis and they were asking him, what
was it, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
We're his relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Trump's relationship with a Santus stood like on a scale
of one to ten. He said a ten, maybe nine
point nine something like that. So I guess that was
good to hear. And of course the Democrats have their
talking points trotted out on that one. But before we
go to break Dragon, we're coming up on the Independence
Day holiday. This is a big one. This is one
that's very meaningful to me personally as a very proud American,
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A little lot of you out there as well.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It's a time in.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Michigan where we don't enjoy a lot of warm weather
there growing up, and a lot less than maybe you
have here. But Fourth of July usually it's real nice
and hot, it's humid.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You're out on one of the many lakes in that
great lake state.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You know, you're having barbecue, you're getting together a family,
you're having a few brewis, you're firing off fireworks. So
that you went across the border to buy in Ohio,
oh or Indiana, Michigan's got weird fireworks lies, I think,
isn't it the same here?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
People go to Wyoming to buy fireworks and they come back.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
My nephews to make that trick probably right about now, yeah, yeah, anyway,
So and then you know, I love to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's just a part of the tradition of being an
American and enjoying that holiday. You find where the best
fireworks shows are. So a couple questions as we head
into the first break here, but where any of you
like to go to watch the fireworks? You know, I'm
taking of a place. You bust out the campfire chair
and the blanket, and you got your Bruce skis and
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maybe some snacks and you're watching the fireworks and wait
pretty late here because you got to wait till it's dark,
and you know where those are most enjoyable to watch.
And then as you're watching those programs, they always have
like a mix of music that they play with it,
you know, and some of the songs are unintentionally ironic,
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like everybody go oh, Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's the one, Well you sure you want to play that?
The theme of that Listen to the lyrics of that song.
It's a great song.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And I've got my issues with Bruce Ringstein politically, don't
get me wrong there.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
But it's an anti war song. It's kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's kind of undermining what should be the American dream
and what happened when those who fought in Vietnam came back.
And it's a deeply meaningful song, but it's not one
of those raw, raw America's great songs.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So which one do you enjoy hearing? Maybe it's that song.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Maybe you don't even care, You just love that song
and you want to hear it when the fireworks are playing.
That's one example everybody's going to point to God, blessed
the ussay, Proud to be an American. Lee Greenwood right,
And Lee Greenwood's doing He's doing really well into his eighties,
still performing that song at a Trump events and such. Now,
that one always kind of lifts your spirits up. But
(17:52):
for me, brother, it's America the Beautiful by Ray Charles,
and it always will be. That is the quintessential American
song by a guy like Ray Charles. That means so
much to American music, authentic American music. But I don't
know anybody that does that song better. And when that
(18:12):
song comes up and the fireworks are going, I'm like,
get me my red, white and blue, and I'm ready
to rock on Independence Day.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And that's another thing people keep Fourth of July. Fourth
of July. It is the fourth of July, but I
like to refer to it as what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Independence Day coming up in just a couple of days.
You got big plans? Let me know about him thirty
three one oh three, And where are you going to
watch fireworks? If you so choose? Ryan Schuling And for
Michael Brown.
Speaker 10 (18:38):
Hello, Ryan and Dragon. Why would people get on the
radio or text you or whatever about where their favorite
firework watching place is, because then it will become overcrowded
and then it will not be enjoyable anymore. Don't ask
silly questions.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And he Ray Charles a great American. So is our
next guest, a colonel in the Colorado National Guard. The
district attorney in the twenty third George Brockler joins us.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
George, welcome back, Hey, thanks for having me with that intro.
By the way, there was a moment where I'm like, oh,
who's going to be on before me? It was like
that was great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, unfortunately Ray Charles no longer with us, but that
song for me. George, Oh geez, such thoughts of pride
about the country and of course this week with Independence
Day and you having served in the Colorado National Guard
as a colonel.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Just what it means to you, George, to be an American?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
You know, I think it's easy to say. Look, I
just feel blessed to be in a place where you
can exercise the freedoms that you can. I think the
park that a lot of us forget about, and I'm
not preaching here is just what a debt we owe,
not just for those who came before us, but what
we need to do for those who come after us.
(19:57):
And I got to tell you, Man, for a guy
who's running out of roa way right now on his
military career, just by function of years of service, not
anything else, I look back and I think, you know,
this country could have asked so much more of me,
and it didn't. And I feel guilty about that, you know,
like I fully expected I would go to Iraq and
Afghanistan and I ended up only going to Iraq. And
(20:20):
when I say only, I'm not trying to diminish my service,
I just I just thought they would ask more of me, man,
So I carry around a little bit of guilt about
not having done more, and I'm running out of opportunities
to do it. So for me, Man, I just I
love the Fourth The Memorial Day of the Fourth in
Veteran's Day are the three big ones for me. They're
(20:41):
just so uniquely American and they speak to our sense
of service and independence. And I don't know, and I
appreciate you asked me that, Man, I hadn't really planned
on giving an answer, But yeah, bit.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Of guilt, oh, I appreciate that insight, and you know,
thank you for your service. Obviously, I know all of
our listeners and those who you serve in the twenty
third field that way as well, George. But I got
to tell you Florida in June a conference. One who
schedules such madness? And two what kind of guy goes
to Florida by choice in June?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, it's it was a great honor. And it's gonna
sound weird because it was a District Attorney's association that
asked me to go be the keynote speaker at their
annual conference. But it won in the Florida one, and
I've done that one in the past. It was Louisiana.
Every single year, Louisiana has their national conference in Destin, Florida.
I'd never been. It's on the Gulf of America side,
(21:34):
which I'd loved, saying, I'm like, oh, it's so nice
to be out here and here the Gulf of America.
I mean, it was just fun. Yeah, but it was.
It was hot, no doubt about it. But the water's great.
The people were sure nice. It was definitely crowded, but
it was a great event and a great honor to
have these folks ask me to come out. It was nice.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, we talked about service to the country, George, and
I can't think of a single issue. Maybe also tied
to human trafficking being fentanyl in this state, but human
trafficking in the form of miners being brought across the border,
being traffied across the country, and the fact that you
are able to deliver this prison sentence for I hesitated
(22:16):
to call him a man, but distributing over two hundred
thousand images of explicit child pornography. Take us through the
details of this case, George and its resolution.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Yeah, you know, this is one of those ones that
I think people should appreciate as the dark sort of
risks that take place in an open and free society
that we have. Right like everyone's in favor of the
First Amendment, even saying things that just defend others. This
is the criminal extreme end of the kind of freedom
(22:49):
that we tolerate in this country, and we try to
keep from tolerating through criminal laws and this one, but
it has got to be some kind of record for us.
This guy's names Geryl, Joe, Henry. This guy had over
two hundred thousand images of child porn. And when I
talk about child porn, some of these images, man, are
(23:09):
infant rape. I mean, so these are not your typical like, oh,
it's a fifteen year old dressed up to look provocative.
Even that would be potentially criminal. This was much much
worse than that. And in talking to the great prosecutors
that handled this case. Abby Haggerty is one of us,
he's a senior deputy DA for US and Daniel Harmio,
who's our chief deputy. They told me that the two
(23:33):
hundred thousand let me, let me tell you how limited
this is. That's not all he had. That's all we
could get. We reached out to the place where he
stored all of his criminal child rape pictures and they said, yes,
we'll grant you access to download everything, but we're only
going to give you one week's worth of access. And
so the detectives worked around the clock to download as
(23:57):
much as they could, and at the end of a
week they were able to get two hundred thousand images,
but they couldn't get more. I can't tell you how
many more images that this guy had and was trafficking in,
but he had two hundred thousand images. I sat down
and did the math on this, and I put this
in our release. If this guy looked at each image
(24:17):
of child sexual exploitation pictures one second on each picture,
two hundred thousand, would take him fifty five straight hours
of looking at nothing but these horrible pictures. This is
horrible stuff. And it's not just you know, it's not
to say he created them, but in trafficking in them,
(24:38):
you create a market that generates this kind of stuff.
It's just horrible.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
George Brockler, a guest district attorney. In the twenty third,
I recall a scene from a television show from a
while back in which Whatdy Harrelson is planning a detective
and he they show him his reaction too watching a
child exploitation. We assume it's a rape, and you see
(25:06):
that visceral reaction.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
True, detective, And what I.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Was talking about with my fiance Kelsey over the weekend, George,
is your law enforcement and what you do in the
prosecutor's office talk about downloading all this, I mean, think
about it, and you're having to sift through this filth,
this absolute horrible, evil imagery.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
How do you wrap your head around that? Can you
get that out? Of your mind.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Well one though you can't ever unsee it. It just
gets filed away there somewhere in that gray matter where
you hope to not be revisited by it involuntarily, maybe
while you're sleeping or something else. But the real people,
I mean, I see a fraction of what these hardcore
prosecutors do in my Special Victims Unit. They're the ones
(25:53):
that consume this by the truckload in order to try
to put together the best case possible to hold these guysccountable.
And here's the crazy thing, man, they are parents. They're
mothers of daughters and sons who are the ages of
the people that are paaring these pictures. I could not
be a Special Victims Unit prosecutor, and I've done my
(26:14):
share of the child sex assault cases and that kind
of stuff. I couldn't do it as a full time job,
because Ryan I would end up finding myself choking out
someone across the room in the courtroom while the deputies
were pulling me off. I couldn't do it. I would
lose my mind. And yet these people find a way
to plow through these horrible things. And it's not just
(26:35):
the pictures but the facts and the videos and the
descriptions from the victims. Somehow they get through these things
every single day and they don't go crazy, And I
don't know how they do it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Final question, George, appreciate your time and your efforts and
bringing this individual to justice, But people might see for
your prison sentence for everything you describe and think that's
a little light.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
It should have been more. Can you walk us through
that part of it?
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Oh, I'm so glad you asked once again in surprise
to no one listening to your show, Ryan, is that
Colorado's criminal laws are largely ineffective and incredibly weak. In Colorado,
you could have a jillion images of child rape and
child porn and still be probation eligible, as this guy was.
(27:19):
So even though he faced up to twenty four years
in the Department of Corrections getting prison at all. Like
we walked into the courtroom, we weren't sure what the
jud's going to do, didn't know. So the judge gives
four years, but people should know any really four years,
dude's going to do about a third of that before
he gets turned out into community corrections and back into
our community. And that's another broken part of the system.
(27:40):
But it's just weak, ineffective laws by a legislature that
sees prisons and law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's the bad guys that is infuriating what you just
described there, George. I know you're fighting an uphill battle,
sometimes with one hand tied behind your back, and a
lot of these cases, there's only so much you can do,
but you're doing as much as you can. And we
know that for our community, especially in the twenty third
District Douglas County, We're lucky to have you, George, and
I'm lucky to have you on this program.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Thanks for your time.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Hey, thanks for giving me the time to talk about
I appreciate it. Man, I'll be listening.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I just can't believe that four year sentence for two
hundred thousand images of child pornography.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Death.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, violent, violent death, and maybe that'll happen in incarceration.
But according to George Brockler, no fault of his own,
this creep, this monster could get out in like a
year and a half, back into society in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
You kidding me? What is the upside to that? Are
they going to reform this.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Guy, Department of Corrections, Are they going to reform him?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
No, in a year and a half. Surely not. Oh,
but we're gonna go ahead and in probation and kick
him out. Why what is the benefit to doing that?
I cannot wrap my head around that one. Oh my,
thanks to George Brockler for joining us. Didn't mean to
infuriate the audience, but I'm a little worked up over that.
One thirty three to one to three, that is the
text line. Close out hour number one with those and
(29:11):
also looking forward to Alligator Alcatraz and the libs already
out with the tears a single tier.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Maybe right down the left cheek and the talking points
was that an alligator tier?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh, crocodile tears, Yeah, we can do those too. The
timeout he's dragging, I'm Ryan, no, Michael Brown. But we're
back with the situation. More of it after this.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Hey, guys, don't forget crocodile tears are appropriate for Alligator
Alcatraz because there are also crocodiles in the Everglades.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Oh there are. I didn't know that apparently.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So there's a toll way that connects basically I seventy five,
which goes down from sus Saint Marie, Michigan to what
is it Fort Myers a little further Naples, all the
way through Florida, and that's the Gulf Coast of Florida.
An Alligator Alley is what they call it. It's the
(30:05):
connector that goes Whoop right across to Miami Fort Lauderdale,
and it goes right through the Everglades. It's the only
road you can take that they built through the Everglades.
It's called Alligator Alley. It's called Alligator Alcatraz. I didn't
know there were crocodiles. Can you do some scientific research
on that dragon? I know you have a knack for it.
(30:26):
Here's Donald Trump joking about Alligator Alcatraz and that Joe
Biden wanted him in there.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And here's a p should note that this is air
conditioned facility.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
So if any of the news planes are keeping him
out in the Hockeyman South Florida, that is wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's probably sicky you here to be on.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Hey, Biden wanted me in here. Okay, he wanted me.
It didn't work out that way, but he wanted me
in here.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
He trails off there and some people thought he said
that son of a bit. I think he said son
of a goat, which is something my dad would say,
and it's and they're about the same age.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
So yeah, and yes there are both alligators and crocodiles.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Florida talkbacker. You were right, You were very right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And I learned something today and that's always a goal
of mine on this program, that I learned something.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And you know the difference to between an alligator and crocodile. Right,
tell me one will see you in a while, one will.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
See you later, see you later, alligator after a while. Crocodile, Yes, exactly.
Here's the here are the talking points. Representative Angie Nixon, Democrat, Florida.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
You love this Florida State Representative Angie Nixon. She is
a Democrat. Representative Nixon, thanks for being with us, and
just tell us your reaction to what you saw on
her today from President Trump's visit to your state.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
Yeah, so this isn't about safety. This is actually about
Donald Trump building modern day concentration camps in an effort
to disappear people from our communities. Donald Trump's blueprint for
America has now been come barbed wire and broken families.
You don't make America great again by doing these types
(32:07):
of things. All he's simply doing is returning our country
to the worst chapters of our history.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, that's an insult to the actual concentration camps of
World War Two. I was just watching a special about
that last night. I mean, a disgraceful comparison. I'm sure though,
that Representative Angie Nixon, Democrat Florida will be the only
one making that comparison with that talking point.
Speaker 13 (32:31):
Oh wait, I had to forget about him. But Ron
DeSantis is still governor of Florida. He took the Comfy
Couch hosts on a tour of the concentration camp that
he's built in Florida in order to round up people,
round people and throw them in a camp because he
doesn't want them in Florida.
Speaker 10 (32:49):
Surprise, surprise.
Speaker 13 (32:50):
The economy of Florida is going to be severely harmed
by rounding up brown people, who, by the way, all
over this country Latinos are afraid to go to work.
Anybody who is perceived or looks the teote is afraid
to go to work.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Bull blank.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
If you're legal in this country and you're a citizen,
you have nothing to worry about whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And he went down that road. Who will pick our crops?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Who will clean our toilets, who will garden our yards.
This is an out of touch individual and it's all
part of the coastal Liberal elites are living in a
tent in Iraq, oftentimes with no ac in the middle
of summer. Nobody complained about that being inhumane.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
For me when I was serving the country, But it's
bad for illegals.
Speaker 14 (33:38):
It's just ridiculous. Long he starts the highest detenure standards
in the industry, I'll put our detensive standards gifts any
state prison, any federal Creshman facility. We got high detensive
standards at high costs. And look like the President says,
we're talking about people are in the country lately that
are published safety threats. How much luxuries you want them
to have? Now, this facilities is going to give exactly
(34:00):
what the left ben screaming about, due process, due process,
due process. Guess where due process happens. This was silly
because there's gonna be immigration judges there to hear their
case and take them please, and this is going to
be their last stop. When they leave here, they'll be
on deportation plane to their homeland plane.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And simple Tom Holman borders are spelling it out alligator
Alcatraz is driving the left nuts. Probably a good indication
that it's a very good idea. That's our number one
in the books. We'll get to more of your texts
coming up next. You can send them during the break.
Your plans for the fourth of July let us know.
Thirty three one oh three on the situation, Ryan Shuley
(34:37):
filling in
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