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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There. I have not been listening all morning, but I
was wondering if you've heard of the so called poisoned
pill that's in the Big Beautiful Bill that is going
to stifle gambling, and a lot of people suspect that
the Big Beautiful Bill will not pass.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Have you heard of this the gambling part talkbacker than
Ryan Schuling fill again for Michael Brown, by the way,
in case you're just tuning in, I haven't heard that
specific aspect of it, but for your listening pleasure, I
do have a few highlights from my earlier conversation where
Representative Gabe Evans on Monday. Now, this is prior to
passage in the Senate, but you're right, there are things
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that happen that get stripped or added, or this parliamentarian
comes in and says, no, it's got to surpass a
filibuster threshold of sixty because I said so, and I
don't know if gambling was on the docket for that,
Gabe would be much more tuned in.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I can try to text.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Him and get him an answer on that, and I'll
do that during this segment and see if I'll give
you an answer on the other side. But he did
comment on the big beautiful bill coming back to the house,
and I asked him specific questions about hey, you know
what happens now and you'll hear that in just a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You can also send your texts along in.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Addition to the talkbacks and use the red microphone icon
on the iHeart happ to do that at three three
one zero three, one of our texts on this topic,
and the goalposts seemed to be moving, if ever so slightly.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Here. You know, you have this boondoggle investment.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And I call that an investment loosely because what are
you investing in of housing and feeding and providing for
illegal aliens that are here in the homeless and these
temporary housing shelters and Mike Johnston, Mayor of Denver, was
shuttling people in for like a two week period. Then
they go back out, and then what are they reformed?
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Do they suddenly get jobs? Are they off of drugs
and alcohol? You know, the real answer to this is reform,
And the real answer to this, quite frankly, is not
to roll out the red carpet and put on the
vacancy sign for illegals to come here as a sanctuary,
because you invite more of it when you tell them, hey,
you're gonna get free stuff, We're gonna give you a home.
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And that's a bite that Dan plays often.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
On this program. We will give you a home. Hear that.
Mayor Mike Johnson, he said that in his inauguration speech.
Then you don't so.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Much has solve the problem, as every illegal that you
choose to house, now there's another one that's coming into
the state because they want that same treatment, because they're
going to get more and they're going to get better
in Denver and Colorado. Then they're getting say in a
border town in Texas or in Florida. And if you're lucky,
and I say that very sarcastically, the governor of Texas,
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Greg Abbott, or the governor of Florida or On DeSantis
may just bust some illegals to you because if you
proclaim yourself as a sanctuary or wait, they don't use
that anymore. Why why don't they use that anymore? No,
we're a welcoming city. We're a welcoming state. Colorado. Jared
Polus again with the gas light, and when we're not
a sanctuary state, we absolutely are a sanctuary state. So
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this is the root of all the problems. You cut
that out of the budget and you balance the budget
almost entirely. But instead we are cutting parks and rec services,
various other city services. We're looking for fire and police
to trim their budgets and tighten their belts, and there
are going to be massive layoffs, maybe rolling layoffs, maybe furloughs,
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et cetera, all because Mike Johnston has these spending priorities
that focus on illegal aliens over.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Actual Denver citizens.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But let's see what Mark Salinger had to say, reporting
for nine News along with our.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Friend comrade Kyle Kyle Clark.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Layoffs are coming for City of Denver employees as soon
as one month from today, so pretty last minute for
the city to be changing the rules on who gets
fired first. Our Mark Salinger explains the new plan to
prioritize performance and skills over years of service.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Insert the word R after the word skills, strike colon.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
In a four hour meeting that would make most people's
minds numb.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Put a comma after length of service strike colon.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
A quick vote at the end could change a lot
of lives.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
The motion passes with foreign favor and one of post
any comments.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
The gears from the crowd of union members as the
Career Service Board approves a change to how the City
of Denver determines who is laid off first, as the
city faces a two hundred and fifty million dollars shortfall
over the next two years. Layoffs will now be determined
based on performance, skills, ability, and length of service. Before,
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layoffs were only based on the time that someone had
spent working for the city.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I'm a fifty one year changed to a member.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Ronnie Houston is retired now and represents the Teamsters. He
argues the changes will push out city employees who've been
there the longest.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't want to be on some merit based system.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
I've given you my loyity, my trust, my love, my blood,
my sweat, and my tears.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And this is how you reward me.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
The city hasn't said how many people will be laid
off starting in August, but they argue the new rule
will allow them to retain the best employees regardless of
how many people are fired.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
City council members don't see it that way.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I think everyone rightly so is very concerned about how
this is rolling out.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Eleven of the thirteen members of Denver City Council sent
a letter yesterday to the Career Service Board urging them
not to pass the changes.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
The board passed them regardless. I'm concerned about agism claims.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm concerned about retaliation complaints.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Now we know the rules, but we still don't know
how many people will lose their jobs.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The mayor they come and go these workers, it's their career.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Some city council members already growing concern that we're now
one month away from when the layoffs are expected to begin,
and we still don't know how many people will lose
their jobs or where the cuts will be made. No
word from the Mayor's office on when we might get
that information. We do know that the job cuts will
likely come through multiple rounds of layoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Kyle, I think people get that cuts are going to
need to be made with the budget situation. I think
people understand that there's different ways to go about it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
This very last.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Minute of like changing the rules midstream and not knowing who's.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Going to get whacked where.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
That's tough, and there was the potential to even move
it down a couple of weeks. They ended up voting
on it today. But if we didn't get these changes.
I mean you're pushing the boundaries really far. They were
already talking in the meeting today about training managers on
how to do layoffs and how to decide which person
will be laid off again.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
This could start one month from today.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Horrible mismanagement of the Denver City budget. And as bad
as Handcock may have been, Johnston appears to be infinitely
worse and not able to course correct and not able
to acknowledge a mistake when you are funding a program
for which there is no income coming in, When downtown
businesses are shuttering and the sixteenth Street, oh don't say
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them all, it's just sixteenth Street. There is not the
bustling action that they were anticipating needing to happen there,
to bring in tax revenue, a base of businesses, restaurants, stores,
to be able to support what Denver needs to spend
in its budget for again services employees. And now they
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are cutting off their nose despite their face, they have
no means to support this ongoing program. Again, I call
it a boondoggle that is not an investment. It doesn't
do Denver really any good other than to make you
feel good about yourself in virtue signaling that you're housing
these illegals or providing this ongoing, never ending welfare state
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for the homeless. Where is the income the revenue coming
from to support that. It isn't there. And this Texter
says the following, Ryan Denver, changing their layoff rules means
they'll be able to give preferential treatment to favored people. Probably,
that's what a lot of the union leaders are saying.
This is going to lend itself to subjective interpretation rather
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than objective interpretation.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Meaning, if it's merit based, what are you basing the
merit on? In Whose eyes? Is that merit based?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
And is there going to be kind of cronyism preferential
treatment to favored people. I think that's a valid concern, Texter.
I don't deny that whatsoever. This from the earlier clip
of Jake Tapper again all these revelations that he's sharing
with us after the fact, long long a year a
year after the fact, and in his book with Alex Thompson,
he knew all this stuff way back then. He sent
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that message on his tablet or however to the producers
during the debate, Dana Bash slips him a note saying
he just lost the election about Joe Biden and his
bumbling answer about getting rid of Medicare or beating it
to death.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And that's this Texter's point.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Both moderators have such a dramatic reaction to the former president.
They go on to say nothing after the bad debate night.
They couldn't afford for him to lose, They couldn't afford
to do actual reporting, journalisming truly be a person of
the news and say, hey, Joe Biden's toast and Donald
Trump's a dynamo. Jake Tapper gives up that information there,
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saying that he runs on some kind of energy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
They weren't going to sing those praises or give that
credit to Donald Trump in the midst.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Of that campaign. And keep in mind that June.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Twenty seventh debate, what happened shortly thereafter the assassination attempt
in Butler, and then they really had a problem on
their hands because Donald Trump emerged in that iconic photo
hand in the air, fist in the air, fight, fight fight,
blood coming down from his ear, American flag behind him,
magazine cover, ready made to go, And I think time
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shied away from that because it was a touchdown. It
was a moment in American history. It made Trump look
like the triumphant hero that many of us believe that
he is. But we couldn't tell that to the American people,
to the undecided voters in the great Middle. CNN had
an agenda. They needed to preserve Joe Biden's candidacy for
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as long as he was in the race. They were
going to prop him up, make excuses for him, downplay
all the criticisms, gaslight people like Lara Trump saying, hey,
we can see it with our own eyes. That's cognitive decline.
Anybody that's had a family member who's suffered through the
throes of dementia or Alzheimer's knows what we were seeing.
Myself included, I've watched it happen with my grandmother, my
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Serbian grandmother, forgetting who I was. That was a gradual process.
The long goodbye Joe Biden is in the midst of that.
I'm not taking any pleasure in that, but I'm certainly
taking a lot of frustration in the fact the media
refused to report on that accurately, and they did so
with intent, and Jake Tapper just proved it again right
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there again your text you can deliver those at three
three one zero three.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I mentioned before.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I want to give you some highlights from my interview
with Gabe Evans, because right now this bill is before
him and the rest of the members of the US
House and trying to get it across the finish line.
Man to President Trump's desk, were hoping before Independence Day
on the holiday. Here is my question to him on
if there may be any deal breakers coming back from
the Senate for him?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Are there any no goes for you as.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It pertains to anything that the Senate might add or
subtract from the bill.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Well, one of the big things to remember with the
Senate is even though we have a majority in the Senate,
we being Republicans, we don't have a filibuster proof majority.
So we have fifty three votes on Senate, but you
need sixty to overcome the filibuster. And so the Senate
parliamentarian is who's sitting there deciding, is you know, are
these provisions that are in the bill either subject to
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the filibuster and therefore you need sixty votes to get
it passed, or do these things pass under the rules
of the Senate reconciliation process, and there they only need
a simple majority. And so we've seen some some provisions
that unfortunately got stripped out by the Senate parliamentarian, specifically
around states like Colorado that give taxpayer money to illegal immigrants.
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And so those are some of the things that the
Senate Republicans are working for through trying to figure out
how do they either add those back in in a
way that passes that it's called the Bird rule, passes
the burg rule, and therefore they can be passed with
a simple majority. And there's emotion that's actually happening right now.
Right before I jumped on, I was watching this on
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social media. It sounds like there's a vote that's being
forced right now by Republicans up or down vote that says,
should we continue we being the federal government, should the
federal government continue to subsidize taxpayer funded payments to states
that give that tax payer money to legal immigrants.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Representative Gabe Evans my conversation with him from Monday, And
you know, this is a long process.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It's a narrow majority.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We've talked about that just there in the House and
then even in the Senate.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
This is it is a difficult needle to thread.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So if it does get to Donald Trump's desk, I
asked him, you know who really is the driving force
behind it? Should this get across the finish line? Gabe,
and Caroline Lovett has already said, yeah, we expect that
to happen by the Independence Day holiday, and President Trump
has encouraged you guys to stay on the job and
not take any time off, to not leave early on vacation.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Let's get this through.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
We know Vice President Vance was able to lean on
Senator Lisa Murkowski. Her vot's always kind of up for grabs.
It seems like she might be a yes on this,
at least she was to get it through to a
vote through cloture, like you stated, and then coming back
to the House with Speaker Johnson, you kind of briefly
mentioned him and being able to pull this all together
in the wake of a lot of people on the.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Outside going, yeah, I don't know if that's.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Going to happen, and yet he's getting it done, like
you said five and oh on that front. So in
your mind, should this all come together? And I think
you and I are both confident that it will. Who
deserves the most credit in making that happen.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Oh, this is this is a team effort, you know.
But if I was going to name any one particular name,
you know, I would say that Speaker Johnson has been
working on this for well over a year. The first
time I met him, he believed, you know, firmly that
God was going to give Republicans the House, the Senate,
and the presidency. And so since, like again, since the
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first time I met him, he's been talking about laying
the groundwork to get something like this done in the
event that Republicans, as they do now controlled the House,
the Senate, and the presidency.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Representative Gabe Evans a congressional district. He may represent many
of you in our listening audience, and you should be
thankful that he is instead of you do a caravel.
My goodness, I just tried texting him. But I also
noticed on Fox News that kat Camick is talking to
Harris Faulkner and are members of the House right now
that are taking up the Senate adjusted version of the
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Big Beautiful Bill. And we've seen reports from both Speaker
Mike Johnson and Steve Scalise that they plan on voting
on it this morning.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
There is now eleven twenty one am by the current
time as I just look at the clock, and I
don't know that they're going to get to a vote
by this morning. Now, there are criticisms from within, there
are criticisms from without on the big beautiful bill. Elon
Musk most notable about those. He's threatened to start an
entire new party in the wake of this. Gabe Evans's
thoughts on that, how would you respond to those criticisms?
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Congressman Evans that this is a porculus package. There's too
many kind of carve outs, that sort of thing. We've
talked a little bit about the salt exceptions for the
big blue states like New York and California, for state
and local taxes.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
How would you respond to that?
Speaker 8 (16:01):
So, if you use actual math to analyze this bill,
at the very worst, this bill is deficit neutral. Best
case scenario, this bill actually cuts about two trillion dollars
in the federal deficit.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And here's why.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
The federal deficit is really two things. It's how much
revenue is the federal government bringing in, and then it's
also how much spending is occurring. So this bill cuts spending,
But the other thing that this bill does is because
it cuts red tape and it lowers taxes, even though
the government is taking in less money from each individual
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person or business because taxes are getting cut. Turns out
that actually turbo charges the economy, and so the GDP,
the gross domestic product as a whole, grows and the
government brings in more revenue even though across the board
taxes are lower because of those pro business and pro
growth policies. And so the problem with folks that say
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that this bill adds to the deficit is they are
you using a one point eight percent annual growth factor
for the economy. If you go back and you look
at history, the US has averaged between two and a
half and three percent annual growth factor. And then when
you have good, positive pro business policies like in this bill,
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we actually get closer to four percent. So if you
just use the historical average for annual economic growth in
the United States, this bill is deficit neutral. If you
get the turbocharged economy that we're all anticipating that we
saw on Trump's first term when they cut taxes the
first time, this bill is actually deficit reducing by a
couple of trillion. Dollars. The problem is the official entity
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in Washington, DC that does that MATH is staffed significantly
by either known registered Democrats or Democrat donors, and they're
not giving the MATH a fair shake. They're saying that
the economy is going to grow at a slower rate
because of all of these tax breaks, and we know
that's just not what happens. You cut tax or you
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cut red cape, the economy grows. This bill actually is
probably going to end up the deficit reducing.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Treatment and care.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And my skin crawls when they associate that with this
gender reassignment frankin surgery, do you have that same reaction
when you hear those buzzwords?
Speaker 9 (18:18):
We're exactly on the same page. What a euphemism. There
is nothing caring about what they're doing. It is harm,
it is mutilation, and it's not treating the underlying mental
health symptoms, so it's also not treatment. And I shut
it at the word gender. I mean, the whole firm
gender affirming care is a euphemism. But to me, there
are zero genders. There are two sexes, zero genders, and
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infinite personalities, and we need to stop using their language.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Always well spoken on the topic, Aaron Lee. Just a
short while ago, after SCOTUS affirm Tennessee's ability to limit
this so called gender affirming care transsurgeries performed on kids,
Tennessee decided to outlaw that, and as a through the
federalism that we enjoy, Scotis decided that states are free
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to make those decisions. That was big, and we've been
building momentum in this fight to protect kids. And one
of those who experienced this firsthand is our next guest,
Simon A. Maya Price, diagnosed with gender dysphoria at fourteen,
socially transitioned at sixteen, but then returned to living, as
he puts it, to his natal sex, the sex that
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he was born into, that body that he has. And
he's one of the organizers of a protest at three
hospitals being investigated by the FBI for child gender mutilation,
including Children's Colorado Aurora Campus from eleven am to one pm.
Entirely peaceful, not mostly peaceful, entirely peaceful for those two
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hours eleven am to one pm, mountain time out on
the sidewalk next to the main entrance sign. And Simon
is one of the main organizers of that event as well.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Simon, welcome, Hey, thanks for having me. Now.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I bullet pointed your story, but I'd like you to
kind of go into more depth, if you would, for
our listening audience, and just exactly what happened with you,
your state of mind, your confusion, and then what brought
you back.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
Well, it's a long story, but I'll try to make
it pretty brief. So, growing up, I was a bit unusual.
I had undiagnosed autism. I was a little bit gender
non conforming. In seventh and eighth grade, I received a
lot of homophobic bullying. It was called the esther on
a daily basis. One kid threatened to kill me. Actually,
in ninth grade, I transferred to a new school, and
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at this school I learned about the gender unicorn in
health class and this is a this is a graphic
which presents gender identity, gender expression, and sex as three
different spectrums and you get to choose where you are
right And that same full I lost my friend group,
and then a week later I was sexually assaulted by
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an older boy, which then led me to seek help
at Boston Children's Hospital, where I saw a therapist. After
joining my schools, what was then called J Street alliance.
I learned about this thing called gender dysphoria, and I
learned that there was a concrete set of steps to
take to remediate my issue. So I came out as
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transgender to my therapist at Boston Children's and she immediately
affirmed me. When I was fourteen years old, I remember
see sitting in my pediatrician's office. I told my pediatrician
that I was feeling these dysphoric feelings, and he asked
my father, who was refusing to take me to the
gender clinic, would you like a dead son or a
living daughter.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I've heard that phrase before. Aaron Lee, who I
know you probably have crossed paths with. That's exactly what
they told her about her daughter. Would you rather have
a living son or a dead daughter? And it's this language,
and it's how I began the segment there in my
conversation with Aaron Lee. They tried to manipulate this language
gender affirming care.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
To me, simon, what gender affirming care would have been
in your case was to affirm the gender that you
were born into, your actual sexual identity, and to take
the steps through counseling, which is fine.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
People experience genders for you.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's a real thing, but rather than force you into
transition and all the complications that go with that, can
maybe reel it back in a little bit. Okay, let's
slow down, let's talk this through. Do you think that
approach would have been effective in your case?
Speaker 10 (22:22):
And to a certain extent it was. I'm very lucky
to have a well read, statistically educated, and strong father
who basically shouted my pediatrician out of the room when
he said this. He actually quit a year later, and
my father found me a new therapist out of private practice.
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And I can't tell you his name because here in
Massachusetts where I'm from, it's against the law to do
anything but affirm a transgendered identified child's gender. And with
this therapist, and with my life experiences, I was able
to reintegrate with my boss body through exercise and processing
really the trauma of the homophobic bullying I had experienced
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in middle school. And let me tell you this, a
lot of people don't realize this, but it was easier
for me to live socially in my generation as a
transgender woman than it was for me to live as
a biosexual young man.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Simon and Maya Price our guest, your father's a hero.
By the way, Simon.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The thing that I always come back to in this
and it's grooming. It's what it is in the pediatric field,
be it counseling, therapy, what have you? You mentioned the
law in Massachusetts, Well, guess what, that's the same law
that's here in Colorado. My point would be the following,
just from an objective, left brain perspective. If this is
so great, if it's such a phenomenal idea, why do
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therapists have to be bullied into submission, going you can
only affirm a gender change rather than go into it
eyes wide open, full.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Menu of options and go, well.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You could keep your gender and be gay, or be
bisexual like you, Simon, or you could transition. But let's
walk through those options and find the one that's best
for you.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Why won't they approach it that way?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Again?
Speaker 10 (24:15):
It comes down to this core lie, this idea that
you will either transition or die. And let me be clear,
I really started to believe that. I believed I wouldn't
be alive today because my father refused to let me
transition medically. I really believe that lie. And so mobs
like that start to make sense when you believe that
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you're saving children's lives. It's a short put to morality.
It is a thought terminating.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Cliche, Simon. Finally, what is your relationship like with your
father today?
Speaker 10 (24:51):
I had an argument with him today about tax structures,
but we're very close. He's one of my best friends
in the whole world. And while I hated him for
many years when I was transgender identified, I am going
to be eternally grateful for the man that he is
and the dad that he has been in my life.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, it just sounds like a great man, Simon. I
tell you what he loves you. You know that, Simon
Amya Price our guest, and again, the Aurora protest is
scheduled from eleven am to one pm on the sidewalk
outside the main entrance sign I guess final things, Simon.
For those that are interested in participating or finding out more,
where can they go and what the should they do?
Speaker 8 (25:31):
So?
Speaker 10 (25:32):
I would advise we're going to issue a press release
to reach out to the people listed on the press release.
You can reach out to me directly on Twitter at
Simon Amaya Price, which is s I M N A
M A y A p R I c e send
me a direct message and I'll get you connected with
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the right people.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Simon, appreciate you being a pinch hitter today. I know
you were not originally scheduled Jamie Reid was, but really
appreciate your time and you sharing your story with us today.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
Of course, thanks for having me, all.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Right, Simon A Maya Price one of the leaders in
this movement to fight against the gender transitioning of children,
and especially the physical surgeries and the hormone therapy so called,
and the puberty blockers and all of these things that
pose great health risks long term to young people. These
are decisions they should not be forced into be making.
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And this key point once again that Simon made, and
it's in Massachusetts and it's here in Colorado, is a nope,
you declare you the opposite gender. There's only affirming that choice.
There's no questioning it. There's no presenting options, there's no
off ramp. That is child abuse.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Time out. We're back, Ryan Schuling in for Michael Brown
on the situation. Brian, don't listen to these guys. I'd
rather have you on there than any other guest host.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
At least I can talk honestly with you and you
have some common sense.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Some of these guys you have on there are just
in their own little.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
World, so keep kicking butt and Dragon you could actually
host the show as well.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Thanks by Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Dragon deserves a lot of the credit, and I have
to assure you I am in my own little world,
definitely in my own mind. I think Kelly would agree
with that, but appreciate those kind words. Talkbacker.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I actually agree with the talkback. Dragon could probably. I
think that needs to happen at some point, haven't it
really does.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
I'll take the occasional taxpayer relief shots. I don't know
if I want a whole show or a whole hour
or anything, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think okay, let's let's walk through that one a
little bit. If you were to individually produce, let's say
a standalone segment kind of like Jesse Thomas does for
the Rockies broadcast in the pregame, you do that package
of taxpayer relief shots. I think you could do that
thread those together, offer a little commentary in between smart
ALKI comments, right, oh, totally, yeah, I want to hear that.
(27:53):
I don't you do enough work. I get it, but
I would like to hear that.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Does a fine enough job doing taxpayer release shots. But
pretty much after he hears that's a pretty get good tech
me of reach out right there, a little sling blade
and then moves on to nice one yet and those
at the cops.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's what you get, DRT get right there.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I just got reminded that we're going to miss that
on Friday.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Are you going to do it Thursday?
Speaker 7 (28:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Oh, absolutely not. He says, Okay, well.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Maybe change it up. Maybe Dragon does it. I like
that idea, and I like that the talkbacker brought it up.
I love this text. Very kind of you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Ryan. Please pass on to Simon.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
May God bless him and keep him safe from all harm,
both physically and spiritually. Sounds like his father is a
true hero who saved Simon's life.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Good for both of them.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, that was a really compelling conversation and how he
described his relationship with his dad, that they'd argued about
tax structure or something, so, you know, just having a
normal one having that kind of interaction.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I would love to meet his father.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And you're right, he did save Simon's life, and I
think Simon would say exactly that, because you go through
everybody goes through a youthful experience that's challenging, troubling in
some way at some time. It go back and watch
The Breakfast Club another reference to that program today, that movie.
(29:20):
But if you notice, like even the popular girl Claire
Molly Ringwold, she has some problems, you would assume that
the misfits, the outcasts, like Ally Sheety's character has problems,
or that John Bender, coming from a broken home where
his dad was abusive describes that has problems. But then
there's the pressure as well on Emilio Estevez and his
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character to succeed. You got a win. It's such a
well done movie. And then Brian, you know, this academic nerd,
but there's a lot of pressure on him, and then
he almost killed himself with a flare gun and that
was a light moment it turned into But the more
I think about it, Kelly, this is the coming of
age movie of course for you are my generation gen X,
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but really a lot of depth to that movie, and
it's all set in that one central setting of the
high school. I don't know is that John Hughes's best
Do you think the Breakfast Club?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Yes, well that's one of my son's favorite movies see.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And that it translates to a new generation the gen
Z's and Trevor that speaks volumes about.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It as well Sherman High school Sherman, Illinois. Date and time.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yes, it's not over forty years ago that the movie
takes place. But if you haven't watched in a while,
I would recommend going back and watching it because it
really it hits home.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It strikes a chord. I think it's heartfelt.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Does Barry Manilow know that you'll raise his wardrobe? Not
even close? Bud oh Nelson's so good in that this
one leaves a lot to be desired. I know you're not,
Michael All. This wordplay is for homosexual abomination. The true
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word for it is well, the R word. I don't
I don't feel like saying that one today. And that
one in regard to that, you know, to each his
or her own. I happen to think that embracing a
person being born homosexual, which is a fact, you can't
pray the gay away.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And I tell this little story. I think Kelly's heard
this story.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So I go to visit my aunt and uncle Pat
and Bato in Longwood, Florida, just outside of Orlando. And
my cousin Nick, So I'm the oldest on this side grandchild,
and he was the youngest. I was born in nineteen
seventy four. He was born in eighty seven, so it's
like nineteen ninety one. So he's all a four years old,
maybe five. And I remember he didn't want to do
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anything outside with my uncle Bato and me. Uncle Boto's like,
you know, stud great athlete. We played tennis. He's fifty
years old, still beating me. I was very young and
in my athletic prime. He was a specimen for sure.
You know, go to Orlando, Magic game, takes me to Hooters.
All the waitresses are hitting on him rather than the
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other way around. Like this guy's awesome. Nick, my cousin
wanted nothing to do with that. Then he wanted to
show me his collection of beanie babies. But ye have
for you know, four or five years old whatever, And
I'm not making a judgment yet, not yet. And he
had the beanie babies and the you know, stuff like that,
and then I asked him, well, Nick, what's your favorite color?
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And without hesitation, he was parawinkle. And I just knew
at that moment Nick might be different, and it's okay
that he's different, but he might be different.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I go home. You know, I'm what seventeen eighteen years old?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Mom? I think Nick's gage. Oh don't you say that.
You don't know that, You can't know that he's only
four or five. I'm like, I kind of think he is.
Flash forward about twenty years.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Guess what.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Cousin Ryan was right, nailed it, And that's all to say.
Would you this whole cryptic myth that's just dark of
would you rather have a dead son or a living
daughter to a biological male child? Get out of here
with that crap, you know. Quagmire probably said it best.
(33:28):
There was an episode of Family Guy in which his
dad decided he was going to be transgender and become
a woman and tells the story about, oh, he's not gay,
he's transgender, and then Kragmire just sick. Oh, just be gay.
That's the shortest path here, I think for many who
feel confused, and it can be confusing being gay because
you don't feel you don't fit in. But sometimes you're
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just gay and that's okay. Can't pray the gay away,
but gay is okay, And that's where just where I
coming down that I've been on that square for many years.
I'm a very big fan supporter of the Log Cabin
Republicans here in Colorado, and I'm very good friends with
their former president, Valdemar Archoletta, who is gay. We joke
(34:13):
about that went to a Rockies game, his favorite Michael
Tobley and he's just got called back up to the
major leagues. Which there's a Rockies joke in there, but
we'll leave it alone for now. Looking at three three
one zero three, final thoughts, where did Kelly go?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Dragon?
Speaker 11 (34:30):
Kelly's doing Kelly things. She just wanders around finding another mimosa.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I know you're not Michael, but you're soft. You gotta
be tough like Michael. I'm gonna go here. What Glenn
Beck's up to? Jeez, tough crowd. Well, on that note,
appreciate you letting me hang around for these last several hours.
I'll be back with you later on today on my
own program, Ryan Shuling Live. You can hear week days
right here on six point thirty k How from two
to four pm, also known as the Dan Kaplis Pregame Show,
(34:58):
which is being hosted one more time today by Wild
County Sheriff Steve Rings appreciate.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
All the time you've given me.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Jimmy Sangenberger will be filling in for Michael tomorrow again.
Salute to Michael Brown, wishing him the best. Have a
happy Independence Day everyone,
There. I have not been listening all morning, but I
was wondering if you've heard of the so called poisoned
pill that's in the Big Beautiful Bill that is going
to stifle gambling, and a lot of people suspect that
the Big Beautiful Bill will not pass.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Have you heard of this the gambling part talkbacker than
Ryan Schuling fill again for Michael Brown, by the way,
in case you're just tuning in, I haven't heard that
specific aspect of it, but for your listening pleasure, I
do have a few highlights from my earlier conversation where
Representative Gabe Evans on Monday. Now, this is prior to
passage in the Senate, but you're right, there are things
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that happen that get stripped or added, or this parliamentarian
comes in and says, no, it's got to surpass a
filibuster threshold of sixty because I said so, and I
don't know if gambling was on the docket for that,
Gabe would be much more tuned in.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I can try to text.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Him and get him an answer on that, and I'll
do that during this segment and see if I'll give
you an answer on the other side. But he did
comment on the big beautiful bill coming back to the house,
and I asked him specific questions about hey, you know
what happens now and you'll hear that in just a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You can also send your texts along in.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Addition to the talkbacks and use the red microphone icon
on the iHeart happ to do that at three three
one zero three, one of our texts on this topic,
and the goalposts seemed to be moving, if ever so slightly.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Here. You know, you have this boondoggle investment.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And I call that an investment loosely because what are
you investing in of housing and feeding and providing for
illegal aliens that are here in the homeless and these
temporary housing shelters and Mike Johnston, Mayor of Denver, was
shuttling people in for like a two week period. Then
they go back out, and then what are they reformed?
(01:52):
Do they suddenly get jobs? Are they off of drugs
and alcohol? You know, the real answer to this is reform,
And the real answer to this, quite frankly, is not
to roll out the red carpet and put on the
vacancy sign for illegals to come here as a sanctuary,
because you invite more of it when you tell them, hey,
you're gonna get free stuff, We're gonna give you a home.
(02:13):
And that's a bite that Dan plays often.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
On this program. We will give you a home. Hear that.
Mayor Mike Johnson, he said that in his inauguration speech.
Then you don't so.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Much has solve the problem, as every illegal that you
choose to house, now there's another one that's coming into
the state because they want that same treatment, because they're
going to get more and they're going to get better
in Denver and Colorado. Then they're getting say in a
border town in Texas or in Florida. And if you're lucky,
and I say that very sarcastically, the governor of Texas,
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Greg Abbott, or the governor of Florida or On DeSantis
may just bust some illegals to you because if you
proclaim yourself as a sanctuary or wait, they don't use
that anymore. Why why don't they use that anymore? No,
we're a welcoming city. We're a welcoming state. Colorado. Jared
Polus again with the gas light, and when we're not
a sanctuary state, we absolutely are a sanctuary state. So
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this is the root of all the problems. You cut
that out of the budget and you balance the budget
almost entirely. But instead we are cutting parks and rec services,
various other city services. We're looking for fire and police
to trim their budgets and tighten their belts, and there
are going to be massive layoffs, maybe rolling layoffs, maybe furloughs,
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et cetera, all because Mike Johnston has these spending priorities
that focus on illegal aliens over.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Actual Denver citizens.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
But let's see what Mark Salinger had to say, reporting
for nine News along with our.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Friend comrade Kyle Kyle Clark.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Layoffs are coming for City of Denver employees as soon
as one month from today, so pretty last minute for
the city to be changing the rules on who gets
fired first. Our Mark Salinger explains the new plan to
prioritize performance and skills over years of service.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Insert the word R after the word skills, strike colon.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
In a four hour meeting that would make most people's
minds numb.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Put a comma after length of service strike colon.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
A quick vote at the end could change a lot
of lives.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
The motion passes with foreign favor and one of post
any comments.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
The gears from the crowd of union members as the
Career Service Board approves a change to how the City
of Denver determines who is laid off first, as the
city faces a two hundred and fifty million dollars shortfall
over the next two years. Layoffs will now be determined
based on performance, skills, ability, and length of service. Before,
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layoffs were only based on the time that someone had
spent working for the city.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I'm a fifty one year changed to a member.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Ronnie Houston is retired now and represents the Teamsters. He
argues the changes will push out city employees who've been
there the longest.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't want to be on some merit based system.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
I've given you my loyity, my trust, my love, my blood,
my sweat, and my tears.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And this is how you reward me.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
The city hasn't said how many people will be laid
off starting in August, but they argue the new rule
will allow them to retain the best employees regardless of
how many people are fired.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
City council members don't see it that way.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I think everyone rightly so is very concerned about how
this is rolling out.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Eleven of the thirteen members of Denver City Council sent
a letter yesterday to the Career Service Board urging them
not to pass the changes.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
The board passed them regardless. I'm concerned about agism claims.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm concerned about retaliation complaints.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Now we know the rules, but we still don't know
how many people will lose their jobs.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The mayor they come and go these workers, it's their career.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Some city council members already growing concern that we're now
one month away from when the layoffs are expected to begin,
and we still don't know how many people will lose
their jobs or where the cuts will be made. No
word from the Mayor's office on when we might get
that information. We do know that the job cuts will
likely come through multiple rounds of layoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Kyle, I think people get that cuts are going to
need to be made with the budget situation. I think
people understand that there's different ways to go about it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
This very last.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Minute of like changing the rules midstream and not knowing who's.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Going to get whacked where.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
That's tough, and there was the potential to even move
it down a couple of weeks. They ended up voting
on it today. But if we didn't get these changes.
I mean you're pushing the boundaries really far. They were
already talking in the meeting today about training managers on
how to do layoffs and how to decide which person
will be laid off again.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
This could start one month from today.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Horrible mismanagement of the Denver City budget. And as bad
as Handcock may have been, Johnston appears to be infinitely
worse and not able to course correct and not able
to acknowledge a mistake when you are funding a program
for which there is no income coming in, When downtown
businesses are shuttering and the sixteenth Street, oh don't say
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them all, it's just sixteenth Street. There is not the
bustling action that they were anticipating needing to happen there,
to bring in tax revenue, a base of businesses, restaurants, stores,
to be able to support what Denver needs to spend
in its budget for again services employees. And now they
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are cutting off their nose despite their face, they have
no means to support this ongoing program. Again, I call
it a boondoggle that is not an investment. It doesn't
do Denver really any good other than to make you
feel good about yourself in virtue signaling that you're housing
these illegals or providing this ongoing, never ending welfare state
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for the homeless. Where is the income the revenue coming
from to support that. It isn't there. And this Texter
says the following, Ryan Denver, changing their layoff rules means
they'll be able to give preferential treatment to favored people. Probably,
that's what a lot of the union leaders are saying.
This is going to lend itself to subjective interpretation rather
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than objective interpretation.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Meaning, if it's merit based, what are you basing the
merit on? In Whose eyes? Is that merit based?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
And is there going to be kind of cronyism preferential
treatment to favored people. I think that's a valid concern, Texter.
I don't deny that whatsoever. This from the earlier clip
of Jake Tapper again all these revelations that he's sharing
with us after the fact, long long a year a
year after the fact, and in his book with Alex Thompson,
he knew all this stuff way back then. He sent
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that message on his tablet or however to the producers
during the debate, Dana Bash slips him a note saying
he just lost the election about Joe Biden and his
bumbling answer about getting rid of Medicare or beating it
to death.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And that's this Texter's point.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Both moderators have such a dramatic reaction to the former president.
They go on to say nothing after the bad debate night.
They couldn't afford for him to lose, They couldn't afford
to do actual reporting, journalisming truly be a person of
the news and say, hey, Joe Biden's toast and Donald
Trump's a dynamo. Jake Tapper gives up that information there,
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saying that he runs on some kind of energy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
They weren't going to sing those praises or give that
credit to Donald Trump in the midst.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Of that campaign. And keep in mind that June.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Twenty seventh debate, what happened shortly thereafter the assassination attempt
in Butler, and then they really had a problem on
their hands because Donald Trump emerged in that iconic photo
hand in the air, fist in the air, fight, fight fight,
blood coming down from his ear, American flag behind him,
magazine cover, ready made to go, And I think time
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shied away from that because it was a touchdown. It
was a moment in American history. It made Trump look
like the triumphant hero that many of us believe that
he is. But we couldn't tell that to the American people,
to the undecided voters in the great Middle. CNN had
an agenda. They needed to preserve Joe Biden's candidacy for
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as long as he was in the race. They were
going to prop him up, make excuses for him, downplay
all the criticisms, gaslight people like Lara Trump saying, hey,
we can see it with our own eyes. That's cognitive decline.
Anybody that's had a family member who's suffered through the
throes of dementia or Alzheimer's knows what we were seeing.
Myself included, I've watched it happen with my grandmother, my
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Serbian grandmother, forgetting who I was. That was a gradual process.
The long goodbye Joe Biden is in the midst of that.
I'm not taking any pleasure in that, but I'm certainly
taking a lot of frustration in the fact the media
refused to report on that accurately, and they did so
with intent, and Jake Tapper just proved it again right
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there again your text you can deliver those at three
three one zero three.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I mentioned before.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I want to give you some highlights from my interview
with Gabe Evans, because right now this bill is before
him and the rest of the members of the US
House and trying to get it across the finish line.
Man to President Trump's desk, were hoping before Independence Day
on the holiday. Here is my question to him on
if there may be any deal breakers coming back from
the Senate for him?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Are there any no goes for you as.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It pertains to anything that the Senate might add or
subtract from the bill.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
Well, one of the big things to remember with the
Senate is even though we have a majority in the Senate,
we being Republicans, we don't have a filibuster proof majority.
So we have fifty three votes on Senate, but you
need sixty to overcome the filibuster. And so the Senate
parliamentarian is who's sitting there deciding, is you know, are
these provisions that are in the bill either subject to
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the filibuster and therefore you need sixty votes to get
it passed, or do these things pass under the rules
of the Senate reconciliation process, and there they only need
a simple majority. And so we've seen some some provisions
that unfortunately got stripped out by the Senate parliamentarian, specifically
around states like Colorado that give taxpayer money to illegal immigrants.
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And so those are some of the things that the
Senate Republicans are working for through trying to figure out
how do they either add those back in in a
way that passes that it's called the Bird rule, passes
the burg rule, and therefore they can be passed with
a simple majority. And there's emotion that's actually happening right now.
Right before I jumped on, I was watching this on
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social media. It sounds like there's a vote that's being
forced right now by Republicans up or down vote that says,
should we continue we being the federal government, should the
federal government continue to subsidize taxpayer funded payments to states
that give that tax payer money to legal immigrants.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Representative Gabe Evans my conversation with him from Monday, And
you know, this is a long process.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It's a narrow majority.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We've talked about that just there in the House and
then even in the Senate.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
This is it is a difficult needle to thread.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So if it does get to Donald Trump's desk, I
asked him, you know who really is the driving force
behind it? Should this get across the finish line? Gabe,
and Caroline Lovett has already said, yeah, we expect that
to happen by the Independence Day holiday, and President Trump
has encouraged you guys to stay on the job and
not take any time off, to not leave early on vacation.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Let's get this through.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
We know Vice President Vance was able to lean on
Senator Lisa Murkowski. Her vot's always kind of up for grabs.
It seems like she might be a yes on this,
at least she was to get it through to a
vote through cloture, like you stated, and then coming back
to the House with Speaker Johnson, you kind of briefly
mentioned him and being able to pull this all together
in the wake of a lot of people on the.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Outside going, yeah, I don't know if that's.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Going to happen, and yet he's getting it done, like
you said five and oh on that front. So in
your mind, should this all come together? And I think
you and I are both confident that it will. Who
deserves the most credit in making that happen.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Oh, this is this is a team effort, you know.
But if I was going to name any one particular name,
you know, I would say that Speaker Johnson has been
working on this for well over a year. The first
time I met him, he believed, you know, firmly that
God was going to give Republicans the House, the Senate,
and the presidency. And so since, like again, since the
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first time I met him, he's been talking about laying
the groundwork to get something like this done in the
event that Republicans, as they do now controlled the House,
the Senate, and the presidency.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Representative Gabe Evans a congressional district. He may represent many
of you in our listening audience, and you should be
thankful that he is instead of you do a caravel.
My goodness, I just tried texting him. But I also
noticed on Fox News that kat Camick is talking to
Harris Faulkner and are members of the House right now
that are taking up the Senate adjusted version of the
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Big Beautiful Bill. And we've seen reports from both Speaker
Mike Johnson and Steve Scalise that they plan on voting
on it this morning.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
There is now eleven twenty one am by the current
time as I just look at the clock, and I
don't know that they're going to get to a vote
by this morning. Now, there are criticisms from within, there
are criticisms from without on the big beautiful bill. Elon
Musk most notable about those. He's threatened to start an
entire new party in the wake of this. Gabe Evans's
thoughts on that, how would you respond to those criticisms?
(15:46):
Congressman Evans that this is a porculus package. There's too
many kind of carve outs, that sort of thing. We've
talked a little bit about the salt exceptions for the
big blue states like New York and California, for state
and local taxes.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
How would you respond to that?
Speaker 8 (16:01):
So, if you use actual math to analyze this bill,
at the very worst, this bill is deficit neutral. Best
case scenario, this bill actually cuts about two trillion dollars
in the federal deficit.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And here's why.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
The federal deficit is really two things. It's how much
revenue is the federal government bringing in, and then it's
also how much spending is occurring. So this bill cuts spending,
But the other thing that this bill does is because
it cuts red tape and it lowers taxes, even though
the government is taking in less money from each individual
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person or business because taxes are getting cut. Turns out
that actually turbo charges the economy, and so the GDP,
the gross domestic product as a whole, grows and the
government brings in more revenue even though across the board
taxes are lower because of those pro business and pro
growth policies. And so the problem with folks that say
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that this bill adds to the deficit is they are
you using a one point eight percent annual growth factor
for the economy. If you go back and you look
at history, the US has averaged between two and a
half and three percent annual growth factor. And then when
you have good, positive pro business policies like in this bill,
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we actually get closer to four percent. So if you
just use the historical average for annual economic growth in
the United States, this bill is deficit neutral. If you
get the turbocharged economy that we're all anticipating that we
saw on Trump's first term when they cut taxes the
first time, this bill is actually deficit reducing by a
couple of trillion. Dollars. The problem is the official entity
(17:41):
in Washington, DC that does that MATH is staffed significantly
by either known registered Democrats or Democrat donors, and they're
not giving the MATH a fair shake. They're saying that
the economy is going to grow at a slower rate
because of all of these tax breaks, and we know
that's just not what happens. You cut tax or you
(18:02):
cut red cape, the economy grows. This bill actually is
probably going to end up the deficit reducing.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Treatment and care.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And my skin crawls when they associate that with this
gender reassignment frankin surgery, do you have that same reaction
when you hear those buzzwords?
Speaker 9 (18:18):
We're exactly on the same page. What a euphemism. There
is nothing caring about what they're doing. It is harm,
it is mutilation, and it's not treating the underlying mental
health symptoms, so it's also not treatment. And I shut
it at the word gender. I mean, the whole firm
gender affirming care is a euphemism. But to me, there
are zero genders. There are two sexes, zero genders, and
(18:40):
infinite personalities, and we need to stop using their language.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Always well spoken on the topic, Aaron Lee. Just a
short while ago, after SCOTUS affirm Tennessee's ability to limit
this so called gender affirming care transsurgeries performed on kids,
Tennessee decided to outlaw that, and as a through the
federalism that we enjoy, Scotis decided that states are free
(19:04):
to make those decisions. That was big, and we've been
building momentum in this fight to protect kids. And one
of those who experienced this firsthand is our next guest,
Simon A. Maya Price, diagnosed with gender dysphoria at fourteen,
socially transitioned at sixteen, but then returned to living, as
he puts it, to his natal sex, the sex that
(19:24):
he was born into, that body that he has. And
he's one of the organizers of a protest at three
hospitals being investigated by the FBI for child gender mutilation,
including Children's Colorado Aurora Campus from eleven am to one pm.
Entirely peaceful, not mostly peaceful, entirely peaceful for those two
(19:46):
hours eleven am to one pm, mountain time out on
the sidewalk next to the main entrance sign. And Simon
is one of the main organizers of that event as well.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Simon, welcome, Hey, thanks for having me. Now.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I bullet pointed your story, but I'd like you to
kind of go into more depth, if you would, for
our listening audience, and just exactly what happened with you,
your state of mind, your confusion, and then what brought
you back.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
Well, it's a long story, but I'll try to make
it pretty brief. So, growing up, I was a bit unusual.
I had undiagnosed autism. I was a little bit gender
non conforming. In seventh and eighth grade, I received a
lot of homophobic bullying. It was called the esther on
a daily basis. One kid threatened to kill me. Actually,
in ninth grade, I transferred to a new school, and
(20:32):
at this school I learned about the gender unicorn in
health class and this is a this is a graphic
which presents gender identity, gender expression, and sex as three
different spectrums and you get to choose where you are
right And that same full I lost my friend group,
and then a week later I was sexually assaulted by
(20:53):
an older boy, which then led me to seek help
at Boston Children's Hospital, where I saw a therapist. After
joining my schools, what was then called J Street alliance.
I learned about this thing called gender dysphoria, and I
learned that there was a concrete set of steps to
take to remediate my issue. So I came out as
(21:14):
transgender to my therapist at Boston Children's and she immediately
affirmed me. When I was fourteen years old, I remember
see sitting in my pediatrician's office. I told my pediatrician
that I was feeling these dysphoric feelings, and he asked
my father, who was refusing to take me to the
gender clinic, would you like a dead son or a
living daughter.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, I've heard that phrase before. Aaron Lee, who I
know you probably have crossed paths with. That's exactly what
they told her about her daughter. Would you rather have
a living son or a dead daughter? And it's this language,
and it's how I began the segment there in my
conversation with Aaron Lee. They tried to manipulate this language
gender affirming care.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
To me, simon, what gender affirming care would have been
in your case was to affirm the gender that you
were born into, your actual sexual identity, and to take
the steps through counseling, which is fine.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
People experience genders for you.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's a real thing, but rather than force you into
transition and all the complications that go with that, can
maybe reel it back in a little bit. Okay, let's
slow down, let's talk this through. Do you think that
approach would have been effective in your case?
Speaker 10 (22:22):
And to a certain extent it was. I'm very lucky
to have a well read, statistically educated, and strong father
who basically shouted my pediatrician out of the room when
he said this. He actually quit a year later, and
my father found me a new therapist out of private practice.
(22:43):
And I can't tell you his name because here in
Massachusetts where I'm from, it's against the law to do
anything but affirm a transgendered identified child's gender. And with
this therapist, and with my life experiences, I was able
to reintegrate with my boss body through exercise and processing
really the trauma of the homophobic bullying I had experienced
(23:06):
in middle school. And let me tell you this, a
lot of people don't realize this, but it was easier
for me to live socially in my generation as a
transgender woman than it was for me to live as
a biosexual young man.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Simon and Maya Price our guest, your father's a hero.
By the way, Simon.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The thing that I always come back to in this
and it's grooming. It's what it is in the pediatric field,
be it counseling, therapy, what have you? You mentioned the
law in Massachusetts, Well, guess what, that's the same law
that's here in Colorado. My point would be the following,
just from an objective, left brain perspective. If this is
so great, if it's such a phenomenal idea, why do
(23:50):
therapists have to be bullied into submission, going you can
only affirm a gender change rather than go into it
eyes wide open, full.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Menu of options and go, well.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You could keep your gender and be gay, or be
bisexual like you, Simon, or you could transition. But let's
walk through those options and find the one that's best
for you.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Why won't they approach it that way?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Again?
Speaker 10 (24:15):
It comes down to this core lie, this idea that
you will either transition or die. And let me be clear,
I really started to believe that. I believed I wouldn't
be alive today because my father refused to let me
transition medically. I really believe that lie. And so mobs
like that start to make sense when you believe that
(24:37):
you're saving children's lives. It's a short put to morality.
It is a thought terminating.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Cliche, Simon. Finally, what is your relationship like with your
father today?
Speaker 10 (24:51):
I had an argument with him today about tax structures,
but we're very close. He's one of my best friends
in the whole world. And while I hated him for
many years when I was transgender identified, I am going
to be eternally grateful for the man that he is
and the dad that he has been in my life.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, it just sounds like a great man, Simon. I
tell you what he loves you. You know that, Simon
Amya Price our guest, and again, the Aurora protest is
scheduled from eleven am to one pm on the sidewalk
outside the main entrance sign I guess final things, Simon.
For those that are interested in participating or finding out more,
where can they go and what the should they do?
Speaker 8 (25:31):
So?
Speaker 10 (25:32):
I would advise we're going to issue a press release
to reach out to the people listed on the press release.
You can reach out to me directly on Twitter at
Simon Amaya Price, which is s I M N A
M A y A p R I c e send
me a direct message and I'll get you connected with
(25:52):
the right people.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Simon, appreciate you being a pinch hitter today. I know
you were not originally scheduled Jamie Reid was, but really
appreciate your time and you sharing your story with us today.
Speaker 10 (26:02):
Of course, thanks for having me, all.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Right, Simon A Maya Price one of the leaders in
this movement to fight against the gender transitioning of children,
and especially the physical surgeries and the hormone therapy so called,
and the puberty blockers and all of these things that
pose great health risks long term to young people. These
are decisions they should not be forced into be making.
(26:27):
And this key point once again that Simon made, and
it's in Massachusetts and it's here in Colorado, is a nope,
you declare you the opposite gender. There's only affirming that choice.
There's no questioning it. There's no presenting options, there's no
off ramp. That is child abuse.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Time out. We're back, Ryan Schuling in for Michael Brown
on the situation. Brian, don't listen to these guys. I'd
rather have you on there than any other guest host.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
At least I can talk honestly with you and you
have some common sense.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Some of these guys you have on there are just
in their own little.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
World, so keep kicking butt and Dragon you could actually
host the show as well.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Thanks by Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Dragon deserves a lot of the credit, and I have
to assure you I am in my own little world,
definitely in my own mind. I think Kelly would agree
with that, but appreciate those kind words. Talkbacker.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I actually agree with the talkback. Dragon could probably. I
think that needs to happen at some point, haven't it
really does.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
I'll take the occasional taxpayer relief shots. I don't know
if I want a whole show or a whole hour
or anything, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think okay, let's let's walk through that one a
little bit. If you were to individually produce, let's say
a standalone segment kind of like Jesse Thomas does for
the Rockies broadcast in the pregame, you do that package
of taxpayer relief shots. I think you could do that
thread those together, offer a little commentary in between smart
ALKI comments, right, oh, totally, yeah, I want to hear that.
(27:53):
I don't you do enough work. I get it, but
I would like to hear that.
Speaker 11 (27:58):
Does a fine enough job doing taxpayer release shots. But
pretty much after he hears that's a pretty get good tech
me of reach out right there, a little sling blade
and then moves on to nice one yet and those
at the cops.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's what you get, DRT get right there.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I just got reminded that we're going to miss that
on Friday.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Are you going to do it Thursday?
Speaker 7 (28:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Oh, absolutely not. He says, Okay, well.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Maybe change it up. Maybe Dragon does it. I like
that idea, and I like that the talkbacker brought it up.
I love this text. Very kind of you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Ryan. Please pass on to Simon.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
May God bless him and keep him safe from all harm,
both physically and spiritually. Sounds like his father is a
true hero who saved Simon's life.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Good for both of them.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, that was a really compelling conversation and how he
described his relationship with his dad, that they'd argued about
tax structure or something, so, you know, just having a
normal one having that kind of interaction.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I would love to meet his father.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And you're right, he did save Simon's life, and I
think Simon would say exactly that, because you go through
everybody goes through a youthful experience that's challenging, troubling in
some way at some time. It go back and watch
The Breakfast Club another reference to that program today, that movie.
(29:20):
But if you notice, like even the popular girl Claire
Molly Ringwold, she has some problems, you would assume that
the misfits, the outcasts, like Ally Sheety's character has problems,
or that John Bender, coming from a broken home where
his dad was abusive describes that has problems. But then
there's the pressure as well on Emilio Estevez and his
(29:42):
character to succeed. You got a win. It's such a
well done movie. And then Brian, you know, this academic nerd,
but there's a lot of pressure on him, and then
he almost killed himself with a flare gun and that
was a light moment it turned into But the more
I think about it, Kelly, this is the coming of
age movie of course for you are my generation gen X,
(30:04):
but really a lot of depth to that movie, and
it's all set in that one central setting of the
high school. I don't know is that John Hughes's best
Do you think the Breakfast Club?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Yes, well that's one of my son's favorite movies see.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And that it translates to a new generation the gen
Z's and Trevor that speaks volumes about.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It as well Sherman High school Sherman, Illinois. Date and time.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yes, it's not over forty years ago that the movie
takes place. But if you haven't watched in a while,
I would recommend going back and watching it because it
really it hits home.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It strikes a chord. I think it's heartfelt.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Does Barry Manilow know that you'll raise his wardrobe? Not
even close? Bud oh Nelson's so good in that this
one leaves a lot to be desired. I know you're not,
Michael All. This wordplay is for homosexual abomination. The true
(31:10):
word for it is well, the R word. I don't
I don't feel like saying that one today. And that
one in regard to that, you know, to each his
or her own. I happen to think that embracing a
person being born homosexual, which is a fact, you can't
pray the gay away.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And I tell this little story. I think Kelly's heard
this story.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So I go to visit my aunt and uncle Pat
and Bato in Longwood, Florida, just outside of Orlando. And
my cousin Nick, So I'm the oldest on this side grandchild,
and he was the youngest. I was born in nineteen
seventy four. He was born in eighty seven, so it's
like nineteen ninety one. So he's all a four years old,
maybe five. And I remember he didn't want to do
(31:56):
anything outside with my uncle Bato and me. Uncle Boto's like,
you know, stud great athlete. We played tennis. He's fifty
years old, still beating me. I was very young and
in my athletic prime. He was a specimen for sure.
You know, go to Orlando, Magic game, takes me to Hooters.
All the waitresses are hitting on him rather than the
(32:16):
other way around. Like this guy's awesome. Nick, my cousin
wanted nothing to do with that. Then he wanted to
show me his collection of beanie babies. But ye have
for you know, four or five years old whatever, And
I'm not making a judgment yet, not yet. And he
had the beanie babies and the you know, stuff like that,
and then I asked him, well, Nick, what's your favorite color?
(32:38):
And without hesitation, he was parawinkle. And I just knew
at that moment Nick might be different, and it's okay
that he's different, but he might be different.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I go home. You know, I'm what seventeen eighteen years old?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Mom? I think Nick's gage. Oh don't you say that.
You don't know that, You can't know that he's only
four or five. I'm like, I kind of think he is.
Flash forward about twenty years.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Guess what.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Cousin Ryan was right, nailed it, And that's all to say.
Would you this whole cryptic myth that's just dark of
would you rather have a dead son or a living
daughter to a biological male child? Get out of here
with that crap, you know. Quagmire probably said it best.
(33:28):
There was an episode of Family Guy in which his
dad decided he was going to be transgender and become
a woman and tells the story about, oh, he's not gay,
he's transgender, and then Kragmire just sick. Oh, just be gay.
That's the shortest path here, I think for many who
feel confused, and it can be confusing being gay because
you don't feel you don't fit in. But sometimes you're
(33:52):
just gay and that's okay. Can't pray the gay away,
but gay is okay, And that's where just where I
coming down that I've been on that square for many years.
I'm a very big fan supporter of the Log Cabin
Republicans here in Colorado, and I'm very good friends with
their former president, Valdemar Archoletta, who is gay. We joke
(34:13):
about that went to a Rockies game, his favorite Michael
Tobley and he's just got called back up to the
major leagues. Which there's a Rockies joke in there, but
we'll leave it alone for now. Looking at three three
one zero three, final thoughts, where did Kelly go?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Dragon?
Speaker 11 (34:30):
Kelly's doing Kelly things. She just wanders around finding another mimosa.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I know you're not Michael, but you're soft. You gotta
be tough like Michael. I'm gonna go here. What Glenn
Beck's up to? Jeez, tough crowd. Well, on that note,
appreciate you letting me hang around for these last several hours.
I'll be back with you later on today on my
own program, Ryan Shuling Live. You can hear week days
right here on six point thirty k How from two
to four pm, also known as the Dan Kaplis Pregame Show,
(34:58):
which is being hosted one more time today by Wild
County Sheriff Steve Rings appreciate.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
All the time you've given me.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Jimmy Sangenberger will be filling in for Michael tomorrow again.
Salute to Michael Brown, wishing him the best. Have a
happy Independence Day everyone,
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