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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Jimmy, they just released the job numbers. Looks like
one hundred and forty seven thousand jobs were at it
in June, which spashed expectations by thirty percent. Experts expected
unemployment to be four point three percent. Nope, it's four
point one percent. Can you remember all those years when
the job numbers would come out under Biden and then
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they would secretly adjust them later a couple months later,
and then the last year basically no jobs were at it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're back final hour.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Time is flying by, and I have to tell you,
Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown, It's crazy we're.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
On that fourth hour. Dragon. How in the world did
we get here? Where did the time go?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, it certainly went in part to celebrating the Declaration
of Independence with the recitation of our nation's founding document
in the previous hour. Now, I want to take a
bit of a dive into this seminole document in not
just American history, but world history with my friend Tom Kranawitner,
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who holds a PhD from the School of Politics and
Economics at the Claremont Graduate University.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Among other elements of his resume, he is.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
A retiring of retiring recovering academic and one of the
principal instructors for the leadership program of the Rockies, of
which I am a graduate from the best class ever
of two thousand and twelve, which happened to be the
last year if I recall correctly, of the defenders of
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the Constitution before it was changed by my guest to
the defenders of the Declaration.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Tom Cranawitter joins me.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Now the Independence Day a day early.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Jimmy, back at your brother.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Let me just ask you big picture to sort of
set this thing up. Two hundred and forty nine years
ago tomorrow, the Declaration was released to the world. How
do you look at this document in the context of
today and the lessons it continues to teach us.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I'm going to answer with a real brief story.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
So in eighteen twenty six, that was fifty years after
the declaration, right seventeen seventy six to eighteen twenty six, Washington,
DC was holding a big celebration for the fiftieth anniversary
of the Declaration, and they invited none other than Thomas
Jefferson to come and participate and give a talk.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Jefferson was still alive.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
He was quite old and frail, and he didn't travel much,
so he declined the invitation. But he wrote this wonderful letter.
People can look it up. He wrote the letter to
Roger Weightman, who was the mayor of Washington, DC at
the time, and in that letter Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Explained what he hoped the declaration would.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Be, not merely declaring the formal independence of the United States,
but more importantly, as he said, he wanted it to be,
and I'm quoting here, the signal of arousing men to
burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had
persuaded them to bind themselves. We talked today, Jimmy, about
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you know, being woke, right and being awake.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Here's what Jefferson said.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Back in eighteen twenty six.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
All eyes are opening to the rights of man. The
general spread of light of science has already laid open
to every view the truth that the massive mankind has
not been born with saddles on their backs.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Nor a favored few, booted and spurred, ready to ride them.
That's that's the universal lesson.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Of the Declaration of Independence. This hope that people around
the world, not merely here in the United States, but
everyone will become aware of their own individual, unaliable natural
rights and then demand that their own government protects those
rights rather than violating them.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You set a phrase there, Tom Kranawitterer, that I think
far too few Americans know about, let alone understand, and
that is this term natural rights as the founders understood it.
What are natural rights? And are they real or just
a figment of the imagination of some people in seventeen
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seventy six, Well.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
They're very real.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
The idea of a natural right is the idea that
each human being, by mere virtue of being human, it
doesn't matter what skin color, eye color, hair color someone has.
It doesn't matter what religious beliefs someone holds, or what
language they speak, or what food they eat.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
None of that matters if it's a human being.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
And then by human I'm going to define that a
physical body that houses a metaphysical mind, a free mind
that can think and make choices. Then that being is
a self governing being. None of us human beings are
our slaves to our appetites or our desires. We can
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choose how much to indulge our appetites and desires. Some
of us are going to choose tomorrow to drink a
little too much beer, and some of us are going
to make wise choices and refrain from drinking excessive amounts
of beer. And that means each human being has a
rightful claim to their own life, their own liberty, their
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own property, their own pursuit of happiness. That's the idea
of an unalienable natural right to have that rightful claim,
regardless of any government or any laws or regulations or
anything like that. In fact, we use that idea of
natural rights to judge governments. We judge governments by that standard.
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When governments are violating the natural rights of their own people,
we say, that's a tyrannical government, that's an unjust regime.
We encourage those people, you know, reform your government or
replace your government. Throw off your government that's violating your rights,
and replace it with a government that will actually protect
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and secure your rights.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It's a radical notion.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
And you know, I'm a student of political philosophy, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Always I'm always interested.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
When people hear the word revolution, many people associate that
with Karl Marx and Marxism and communism. You know, they say, well,
those are the real revolutionaries, and I sort of chuckle.
I say, you know, for Marxist revolution to work, it
cannot be universal.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
It cannot apply to the whole human family.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Because some some large number of people have to be destroyed.
All the capitalists have to be destroyed, so that the
Marxists can take their private property from them. But in
a case of the American Revolution, these principles truly are universal.
The entire human population could act upon them. Every human
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being around the globe could understand their own individual natural
rights and respect the individual natural rights of the people
around them. In that sense, it truly is universal.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Again, Doctor Tom Cranawitter, our guest senior lecturer or Leadership
Program of the Rockies Leadership Program dot Org. Let's then
look at this through the context of the big protests
that we just saw across the country, the No King's protest,
because I get the feeling that they don't quite understand
some things, and a lot of them would like a king,
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just a different king than the one they claim that
we have in the United States.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Your thoughts, top, There is this great irony that the
people out protest team against kings. Many of them had
to first go beg permission from unelected bureaucrats to get
permits to go do their marches and everything, you know,
make sure they have the right number of porter bodies
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set up right, and all that sort.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That's the way the United States is today.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
We go and actually ask permission from not elected representatives,
from unelected bureaucrats who have many powers that resemble kings.
So it's not clear to me that the people protesting
kings are really against kings. I think they're against a
certain president having too much influence or too much power.
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But the important thing is for our fellow citizens who
want to protest against kings, I say, welcome to the cause.
It's called the American cause, the cause of the United
States of America, which was launched on July fourth, seventeen
seventy six, in our Declaration of Independence, which was the
most famous protests against kings.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
In world history. Some of your listeners, Jimmy, might remember.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
In the middle part.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
You recited the declaration earlier this morning. The middle part
are all these charges against the king, lists all the
all the wrongs that he has done. And then the
conclusion right following that, the declaration states a prince, which,
of course in those days that was another name for
the king, a prince whose character is marked by every
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act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be
the ruler of a free people. The declaration rejects the
rule of King George the third.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
It rejects the rule.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Of any king, of any prince, of any anyone who
claims some title of nobility, precisely because all men are
created equal, we all have the same equal natural rights.
King George the third doesn't have any more rights than
we do. He has no rights to rule over us
without our our consent.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And so here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
People who are protesting kings today again, I want to
make it clearer. I agree with him. I don't want
a king. I bet you don't want a king.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Jimmy came into that.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
But to protests against kings today is very low risk.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
It's not dangerous at all.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Why because we live in a regime that was founded
on a rejection of kingship. We don't have any kings here.
But you know what was really dangerous. You know, the
people who were really courageous were those people who stood
up and opposed the rule of a king in seventeen
seventy six. The people who signed their names to this
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declaration of independence, rejecting the rule of a king who
the Americans certainly had a king at the time.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
They knew it.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
He knew it, and he was also the commander in chief,
or the equivalent of it, of the Royal Army and
the Royal Navy, and he was sending the those deadly
forces to kill rebelling Americans who were rejecting the rule
of a king. So it's sort of irn today that
we have Americans who seemed to be almost two hundred
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and fifty years late to the party. Yes, but I'm
glad they finally came around and agreed that we should
not have a king. And for those people, I say,
please join us in celebrating the declaration of independence tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And please don't push for more expansion of government, which
effectively means more control over our lives.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And all too.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Often that's what the people, as we talked about before
in great irony, many of those in the No Kings
protest would prefer I want to ask you, though, a question,
Tom Cranawinner, about the checks and balances today. So we
have a lot of different court cases that have been
brought against the Trump administration over a variety of executive
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orders and so forth, And last week, in a Supreme
Court case and decision that I wrote about this week
in the Denver Gazette in one of my two weekly columns,
Epic ruling vindicates a Colorado judge. I talked about a
case earlier this year of the Federal District Court Judge
Dan Domenico ruling against the Denver Public Schools in a
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case they'd brought against Homeland Security when they had wanted
to bring a nationwider universal injunction against immigration enforcement related
to schools.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Check out that column.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But the Supreme Court decision in Trump, the CASA said, look,
we're not going to tolerate universal injunctions anymore. How do
you look at that and other things as far as
the role of the courts in checking the powers both
of Congress and of the presidency.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
So on a particular case that was right.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The case was.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Decided correctly constitutionally, and on the merits agree, But at
the same time I want to point to what is
the much larger looming problem. Even for those of us
who are loyal constitutionalists, who are originalists, we we think
that the Constitution should be upheld and enforced according to
the original meaning.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Of the document.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
It's not easy to figure out what to do in
many situations, many of these controversies, because here we are,
we now have basically a century of unconstitutional legislation that
has created an entire myriad collection of constitutionally illegitimate agencies
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and programs, right, and those things are out passing regulations
and spending money unconstitutionally.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And then we get you know, maybe.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Sometimes the members of Congress or sometimes the president pushes
back against that and this this is outrage right, Oh
my goodness, this you can't disturb any of this, And
that one of the questions.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
So what would an originalist do?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, we originalists.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Never would have passed that unconstitutional legislation in the first place.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So so it really gets it gets.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Complicated because the levels of constitutionally illegitimate action goes all
the way down to the legislation that created these programs
and these agencies to begin with, and they're out there
doing unconstitutional things. You know. Another great example, Trump has
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made much about giving money to all these so called
private universities you know that have theseck get these these
endowments that are bigger than some nations GDPs.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
And there's this great pushback.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Well that's not constitutional, people will say, for the for.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
The president to make this decision.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Well, you know what else is not constitutional?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The entire federal Department of Education, that's not constitutional, or
any of these brand programs going to these you know,
they're not really private universities. Once they accept that federal money,
all kinds of federal strings and regulations and requirements come
with it. So this is where we find ourselves. We
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find ourselves in a to a large degree, a constitutionally
illegitimate regime, a constitutionally illegitimate.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Government in many respects. And the question is how.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Do we start chipping away at that. Someone like Trump
is trying to do what he can from the executive branch,
and I applaud him for those efforts.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
But in the end, what.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
We really need, what we really need are.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Not activist judges around the country. We really need Congress
to get engaged and to start repealing much of the
bad legislation that Congress passed in the first place that
created all these programs in these agencies.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
If only we've got about a minute and a half
left with you, doctor Tom kran a winner, and I
want to circle back to something from earlier in the
show when we had your friend Professor Lucas Morrell on
the program, who of course is one of the pre
eminent scholars on Frederick Douglas and Abraham Lincoln in this country,
and we talked about Frederick Douglass in his speech What
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to the Slave Is the fourth of July, and particularly
the identification by Douglas of the hypocrisy of the United
States to have slavery and contravention to the principles of
the Declaration.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But he was underscoring.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Saving principles, eternal principles, the Declaration being the ring bolt
to the chain of your nation's destiny. I wanted you
just in a minute to reflect a little bit on
that speech and the words and views of Douglas.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
This is such an important point for Americans today to
understand tomorrow as they're out there barbecuing their hamburgers.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
And their hot dogs.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
So the principles of the Declaration of Independence, all men
are creed equal, every human being has the same unailable
right to their own life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Those principles contradict slavery, or maybe once should say slavery
contradicts those principles, that they're incompatible with each other. You
can have the principles or you can have slavery, but
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you can't have both of them. You can't say both
are right at the same time. Now, reflecting on that contradiction,
it boggles my mind. Millions of Americans today say, well
that there is a contradiction, so we should get rid.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Of the principles.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Principles were wrong, the founding.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Was illegitimate, the Declaration was just a document of hypocrisy.
I take side of Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln and say,
you know, the principles are right.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
It means get rid of slavery so that there's no
more contradiction. And that's exactly what the Americans did. They
launched the greatest anti slavery movement in all.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Of history, and within four squars that they use Lincoln's dating,
it gets the first they got rid of it.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Tom Grantowatter, thank you, sir. Happy Independence Day. I'm Jimmy
Sangenberger in for Michael Brown here. On six point thirty
kow a.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Hacker got into student applications at Columbia University a while ago.
They wanted to see if Columbia University was still using
affirmative action in choosing students. They also posted a picture
of a smiling Trump on all the computer screens.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
All right, okay, At first I was like, Jimmy sangen
Burger in for Michael Brown. So at first I was
looking at dragging because this was a slot I'd given.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Him to plug in for the bumper. I was like,
what the heck are you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Where's the blues or where's the Southern classic rock?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Still worth it though.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And then and then I realized, oh, yes, this is
perfect because I.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Told you we're gonna nerd out for a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Fan Expo Denver, the Comic con here is coming to
Denver starting today. Guiltiest charge, that's you too, Dragon Redbeard
and Gosh, I mean William Shatner will be there today
and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Of course, if you missed the first hour, go.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Back to it or check out Mandy Connell podcast from
our sister station KOA on Monday when we interviewed William
Shatner together and I may or may not have been
critiqued by Captain Kirk himself, but he's there today and
tomorrow ninety four and as sharp as a sharper than attack.
Absolutely brilliant. God to love it. And so today, because
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especially we're going to be getting a picture taken with
mister Shatner at the event, I'm wearing my Star Trek
shirt for Captain Kirk. You and others have been saying today,
I'm glad you didn't wear the red shirt because we
know if you're a Star Trek fan and you particularly
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the original series, you know what it means when you
have a red shirt.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's sort of like being a stormtrooper in Star Wars.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Quick question though, if a stormtrooper shoots at a red shirt,
does the red shirt still die?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
That is the million dollar question.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's like Obi wan Kenobi asking who's more foolish, the
fooler the fool who follows him. Although I think there's
probably an answer to that one, the fool who follows him.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You got to be more foolish to follow them.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, so maybe that comparison doesn't work, but either way, yeah,
it's a that's a tough one. Does the red shirt
die if the stormtrooper shoots at him? I don't know,
but I do know one thing. And or Season two
a well season one too, but absolutely phenomenal, especially the
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second half of the Star Wars and Or series that
unfortunately it was only two seasons, doesn't have more.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What that's it, you know?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Although I mean I guess, yeah, there's no. Well, they
originally were.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Going to do five seasons, and but then they made it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Just too I mean, it was a very expensive show,
the second most expensive if I recall correctly.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
It looks beautiful, it's very gritty because it's the darker
underbelly of what the Star Wars universe is. So it's
it's ugly looking, but it's in a good way, if
that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yes, yes, exactly. Well that's what it should be in
that sense.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean, even if you go to the original trilogy,
George Lucas made it so things looked old. It's not
like you saw the money in Falcon and was pristine
conditions like Star Trek. Star Trek, they want to have
nice looking ships and everything. That's sort of part of
the utopian idea Star Wars different. We wanted to look
rugged and sort of realistic in a space sci fi
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not so realistic sense. I do want want to say though,
that while it's disappointing that and Or only got two
seasons at least our much disliked Acolyte Star Wars. The
Acolyte was canceled after one.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Season only one. I wonder why.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's not like it was absolutely crap or anything, utterly
utterly tear. I don't need to hear those words ever.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Again.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Absolutely, I'm still undecided as to how all the witches died.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Uh yeah, yeah, because sure will they they so so
ad fan Expo Denver Many Is it.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Just SENTI I hadn't seen Accolyte yet, Yeah, which is shoot,
oh well, we spoiled something that.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You should have say, if you were gonna watch it,
you you should have watched it already.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But if you didn't watch it, don't bother.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's just not worth And I say, this is a
lifelog diard. But today Manny Jacinto, I think, or this
weekend if that's his name, who plays the dark Side
so sith character. He's going to be speaking and doing
his thing there and doing photographs and everything. And you know,
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I have no hard feelings against the actors, and actually
he did a pretty good job given what he was
presented with, so I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But now they are saying that this character.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
May not in the visual guide for The Acolyte, there's
a question as to whether he actually is a Sith
or not.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Red Conning some stuff in The Acolyte, and.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I think that red Coon is necessary because there are
things in this show that should not have been there.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But I digress, because now we are in a.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Path where people who haven't watched The Acolyte may not
be familiar with Star Wars are going wait, what on account?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
What's going on? Yes, exactly, move along, move yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
If you have any sort of fandom that you enjoy,
the fin Expo Denver's really a.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
People will be dressed up in costumes. It's called costplaying,
and sometimes they are amazingly detailed, like they put a
lot of effort and time and passion into it and
it really shows and money, it really shows. And I'm
covering it for the Denver Gazette. I'll have a story
next week on it. But there's something special about it.
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It's like it's a way to express your fandom. You
might be a diehard Denver Broncos fan. You go to
every game, you watch every game, you have the jerseys,
you all all the things. Well, this is a different
but It's similar in that it's a fandom. It's its
own kind of fandom because it's fictional, but it's nevertheless
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something people.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Care deeply about and good for them.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Have no talent to create some sort of cosplay, which
is why I have a T shirt that my fiance
Victoria bought for me so that I could have it
for meeting William Shatner Captain Kirk himself and hopefully he
doesn't scold me again.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Just this happen. Are you going to bring it up
there in this interview? You're the same jim from the interview.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I will tell him that I am the Jimmy from
Monday's radio interview who asked the compound question.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Okay, and I need a detailed reporter. So whether or
not he'll scold you.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Again, yeah, I don't think so, but not go on one.
I don't care. Hey, if he did it, I'd embrace it. Actually,
of course, you know, Captain Kirk chastising me for something,
and I see Ross Kaminski on the other side of
the glass, and he was there. It went listening in
when we did this interview, So it was just it
was a lot of fun. It was a great, great
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time and I'm looking forward to to more of was
to come check out the interview again if you if
you missed it. But nerding out sometimes can be such
such fun. Now I did want to get to one goober.
Oh gosh, she's a goober?
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Or she.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Two six six'. Five, jimmy individual rights are. Over that's
a really pessimistic. View that's a really sad, view AND
i couldn't disagree with. It. More individual rights are, Real they're,
legit they are. Eternal whether or not they are respected
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appropriately sufficiently by governments is a different. Question but individual
rights are. Natural we are endowed by our creator with these.
Rights but it comes, from As Tom grantawitter said, before
having the capacity as individuals to, reason to work through,
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problems to. Think we are in a right ought to
be free to, think free to, act and free to,
choose AS i, say and that is the what underpins individual.
Right so, no they're not, over and we need to
fight for them each and every day and not seed
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the ground and hope that they, will and fight for
them to be more respected than they. Are I'm Jimmy
sangenberger in For Michael. BROWN i cannot believe that we
are almost done with four flying by hours on this
Independent State eve, Show we've got a close that you
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will not want to. Miss on the other side, Again
jimmy in For michael On denver's talk station six point THIRTY.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Kl, Hey jimmy's just Remember scotty was a. Renshirt just
showed you how bad ass he really.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Was you, KNOW i think about that, too but you
put it in the best, way Mister Scott scotty beam me,
out which isn't actually. Said it is not actually said
like that, ever but, hey that's what pop culture does over.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Time but it is so, ingrained isn't. It, dragon the
same thing to The LUKE i am your? Father never, said, yes,
NO i am your?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Father did we just Spoil gosh if you haven't watched
that for any time for years that You're, brown everybody
knows it Because LUKE i am your.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Father, nope exactly, Right Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Sanging burger and For Michael, Brown Dragon redbeard behind the
glass as, always And dragon it's been great working with
you as, always total. Blast, yeah it just doesn't happen nearly.
Enough we got to make it happen. More that's not.
Me you guys somehow got to figure it, out BUT
i will say This tulane is a great song by
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the Great Late Chuck berry and The Jimmy Junior Blues
band will be performed it live On saturday at in
The Zone Sports bar And, Grill Saturday july, fifth that
is In golden from seven to eleven p. M we'd
love to see out. There have SOME kaw listeners join
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us for the. Festivities it'll be a. Blast they've got
all of my. Harps we just it's going to be a,
great great. TIME i do want to reflect a final
moment on This Independence, day a day that is to
me one of the most important in human, history in world, history.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Because it changed. Everything it was.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Radically shaping reshaping of the world and of our understanding
of freedom and government and how it all works and should.
Work but here's the. Thing did you know that they
have the fourth Of july In england?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Too they.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Do it just doesn't come with, fireworks hot dogs or
patriotic birthday, parties which is part of the reason WHY
i make a point of calling It Independence day and
wishing you a Happy Independence, day not fourth Of, July
happy fourth Of, july.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Because it's a Uniquely american.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Celebration of, liberty self, government that revolutionary idea that, again
AS i, say human beings are and of right ought
to be free to, think free.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
To act, in free to. Choose and it's, Fundamental it's a.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Cornerstone it, is in the words of the great, abolitionists
the freed Slave Frederick, douglas the ring bolt to the
chain of your nation's, destiny of our nations. Destiny amen to,
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that and may we be so bold as to continue
to share the saving principles and hold them, dear the
eternal principles of THE Us constitution And declaration Of independence
that started it. All I'm Jimmy. Sangenberger thanks so much
for joining me. Today thanks to dragging again behind the
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glass for a great.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Job always. Fun Maybe i'll see you a.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Fanexpo Maybe i'll see it The Jimmy Junior gig On.
Saturday either, way have a Happy Independence.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Day am A god Bless. America
Hey, Jimmy, they just released the job numbers. Looks like
one hundred and forty seven thousand jobs were at it
in June, which spashed expectations by thirty percent. Experts expected
unemployment to be four point three percent. Nope, it's four
point one percent. Can you remember all those years when
the job numbers would come out under Biden and then
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they would secretly adjust them later a couple months later,
and then the last year basically no jobs were at it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're back final hour.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Time is flying by, and I have to tell you,
Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown, It's crazy we're.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
On that fourth hour. Dragon. How in the world did
we get here? Where did the time go?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, it certainly went in part to celebrating the Declaration
of Independence with the recitation of our nation's founding document
in the previous hour. Now, I want to take a
bit of a dive into this seminole document in not
just American history, but world history with my friend Tom Kranawitner,
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who holds a PhD from the School of Politics and
Economics at the Claremont Graduate University.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Among other elements of his resume, he is.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
A retiring of retiring recovering academic and one of the
principal instructors for the leadership program of the Rockies, of
which I am a graduate from the best class ever
of two thousand and twelve, which happened to be the
last year if I recall correctly, of the defenders of
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the Constitution before it was changed by my guest to
the defenders of the Declaration.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Tom Cranawitter joins me.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Now the Independence Day a day early.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Jimmy, back at your brother.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Let me just ask you big picture to sort of
set this thing up. Two hundred and forty nine years
ago tomorrow, the Declaration was released to the world. How
do you look at this document in the context of
today and the lessons it continues to teach us.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I'm going to answer with a real brief story.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
So in eighteen twenty six, that was fifty years after
the declaration, right seventeen seventy six to eighteen twenty six, Washington,
DC was holding a big celebration for the fiftieth anniversary
of the Declaration, and they invited none other than Thomas
Jefferson to come and participate and give a talk.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Jefferson was still alive.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
He was quite old and frail, and he didn't travel much,
so he declined the invitation. But he wrote this wonderful letter.
People can look it up. He wrote the letter to
Roger Weightman, who was the mayor of Washington, DC at
the time, and in that letter Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Explained what he hoped the declaration would.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Be, not merely declaring the formal independence of the United States,
but more importantly, as he said, he wanted it to be,
and I'm quoting here, the signal of arousing men to
burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had
persuaded them to bind themselves. We talked today, Jimmy, about
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you know, being woke, right and being awake.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Here's what Jefferson said.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Back in eighteen twenty six.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
All eyes are opening to the rights of man. The
general spread of light of science has already laid open
to every view the truth that the massive mankind has
not been born with saddles on their backs.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Nor a favored few, booted and spurred, ready to ride them.
That's that's the universal lesson.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Of the Declaration of Independence. This hope that people around
the world, not merely here in the United States, but
everyone will become aware of their own individual, unaliable natural
rights and then demand that their own government protects those
rights rather than violating them.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You set a phrase there, Tom Kranawitterer, that I think
far too few Americans know about, let alone understand, and
that is this term natural rights as the founders understood it.
What are natural rights? And are they real or just
a figment of the imagination of some people in seventeen
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seventy six, Well.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
They're very real.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
The idea of a natural right is the idea that
each human being, by mere virtue of being human, it
doesn't matter what skin color, eye color, hair color someone has.
It doesn't matter what religious beliefs someone holds, or what
language they speak, or what food they eat.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
None of that matters if it's a human being.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
And then by human I'm going to define that a
physical body that houses a metaphysical mind, a free mind
that can think and make choices. Then that being is
a self governing being. None of us human beings are
our slaves to our appetites or our desires. We can
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choose how much to indulge our appetites and desires. Some
of us are going to choose tomorrow to drink a
little too much beer, and some of us are going
to make wise choices and refrain from drinking excessive amounts
of beer. And that means each human being has a
rightful claim to their own life, their own liberty, their
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own property, their own pursuit of happiness. That's the idea
of an unalienable natural right to have that rightful claim,
regardless of any government or any laws or regulations or
anything like that. In fact, we use that idea of
natural rights to judge governments. We judge governments by that standard.
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When governments are violating the natural rights of their own people,
we say, that's a tyrannical government, that's an unjust regime.
We encourage those people, you know, reform your government or
replace your government. Throw off your government that's violating your rights,
and replace it with a government that will actually protect
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and secure your rights.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It's a radical notion.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
And you know, I'm a student of political philosophy, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Always I'm always interested.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
When people hear the word revolution, many people associate that
with Karl Marx and Marxism and communism. You know, they say, well,
those are the real revolutionaries, and I sort of chuckle.
I say, you know, for Marxist revolution to work, it
cannot be universal.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
It cannot apply to the whole human family.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Because some some large number of people have to be destroyed.
All the capitalists have to be destroyed, so that the
Marxists can take their private property from them. But in
a case of the American Revolution, these principles truly are universal.
The entire human population could act upon them. Every human
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being around the globe could understand their own individual natural
rights and respect the individual natural rights of the people
around them. In that sense, it truly is universal.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Again, Doctor Tom Cranawitter, our guest senior lecturer or Leadership
Program of the Rockies Leadership Program dot Org. Let's then
look at this through the context of the big protests
that we just saw across the country, the No King's protest,
because I get the feeling that they don't quite understand
some things, and a lot of them would like a king,
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just a different king than the one they claim that
we have in the United States.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Your thoughts, top, There is this great irony that the
people out protest team against kings. Many of them had
to first go beg permission from unelected bureaucrats to get
permits to go do their marches and everything, you know,
make sure they have the right number of porter bodies
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set up right, and all that sort.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That's the way the United States is today.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
We go and actually ask permission from not elected representatives,
from unelected bureaucrats who have many powers that resemble kings.
So it's not clear to me that the people protesting
kings are really against kings. I think they're against a
certain president having too much influence or too much power.
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But the important thing is for our fellow citizens who
want to protest against kings, I say, welcome to the cause.
It's called the American cause, the cause of the United
States of America, which was launched on July fourth, seventeen
seventy six, in our Declaration of Independence, which was the
most famous protests against kings.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
In world history. Some of your listeners, Jimmy, might remember.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
In the middle part.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
You recited the declaration earlier this morning. The middle part
are all these charges against the king, lists all the
all the wrongs that he has done. And then the
conclusion right following that, the declaration states a prince, which,
of course in those days that was another name for
the king, a prince whose character is marked by every
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act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be
the ruler of a free people. The declaration rejects the
rule of King George the third.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
It rejects the rule.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Of any king, of any prince, of any anyone who
claims some title of nobility, precisely because all men are
created equal, we all have the same equal natural rights.
King George the third doesn't have any more rights than
we do. He has no rights to rule over us
without our our consent.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And so here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
People who are protesting kings today again, I want to
make it clearer. I agree with him. I don't want
a king. I bet you don't want a king.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Jimmy came into that.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
But to protests against kings today is very low risk.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
It's not dangerous at all.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Why because we live in a regime that was founded
on a rejection of kingship. We don't have any kings here.
But you know what was really dangerous. You know, the
people who were really courageous were those people who stood
up and opposed the rule of a king in seventeen
seventy six. The people who signed their names to this
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declaration of independence, rejecting the rule of a king who
the Americans certainly had a king at the time.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
They knew it.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
He knew it, and he was also the commander in chief,
or the equivalent of it, of the Royal Army and
the Royal Navy, and he was sending the those deadly
forces to kill rebelling Americans who were rejecting the rule
of a king. So it's sort of irn today that
we have Americans who seemed to be almost two hundred
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and fifty years late to the party. Yes, but I'm
glad they finally came around and agreed that we should
not have a king. And for those people, I say,
please join us in celebrating the declaration of independence tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And please don't push for more expansion of government, which
effectively means more control over our lives.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And all too.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Often that's what the people, as we talked about before
in great irony, many of those in the No Kings
protest would prefer I want to ask you, though, a question,
Tom Cranawinner, about the checks and balances today. So we
have a lot of different court cases that have been
brought against the Trump administration over a variety of executive
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orders and so forth, And last week, in a Supreme
Court case and decision that I wrote about this week
in the Denver Gazette in one of my two weekly columns,
Epic ruling vindicates a Colorado judge. I talked about a
case earlier this year of the Federal District Court Judge
Dan Domenico ruling against the Denver Public Schools in a
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case they'd brought against Homeland Security when they had wanted
to bring a nationwider universal injunction against immigration enforcement related
to schools.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Check out that column.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But the Supreme Court decision in Trump, the CASA said, look,
we're not going to tolerate universal injunctions anymore. How do
you look at that and other things as far as
the role of the courts in checking the powers both
of Congress and of the presidency.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
So on a particular case that was right.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The case was.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Decided correctly constitutionally, and on the merits agree, But at
the same time I want to point to what is
the much larger looming problem. Even for those of us
who are loyal constitutionalists, who are originalists, we we think
that the Constitution should be upheld and enforced according to
the original meaning.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Of the document.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
It's not easy to figure out what to do in
many situations, many of these controversies, because here we are,
we now have basically a century of unconstitutional legislation that
has created an entire myriad collection of constitutionally illegitimate agencies
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and programs, right, and those things are out passing regulations
and spending money unconstitutionally.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And then we get you know, maybe.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Sometimes the members of Congress or sometimes the president pushes
back against that and this this is outrage right, Oh
my goodness, this you can't disturb any of this, And
that one of the questions.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
So what would an originalist do?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, we originalists.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Never would have passed that unconstitutional legislation in the first place.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So so it really gets it gets.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Complicated because the levels of constitutionally illegitimate action goes all
the way down to the legislation that created these programs
and these agencies to begin with, and they're out there
doing unconstitutional things. You know. Another great example, Trump has
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made much about giving money to all these so called
private universities you know that have theseck get these these
endowments that are bigger than some nations GDPs.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
And there's this great pushback.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Well that's not constitutional, people will say, for the for.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
The president to make this decision.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Well, you know what else is not constitutional?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
The entire federal Department of Education, that's not constitutional, or
any of these brand programs going to these you know,
they're not really private universities. Once they accept that federal money,
all kinds of federal strings and regulations and requirements come
with it. So this is where we find ourselves. We
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find ourselves in a to a large degree, a constitutionally
illegitimate regime, a constitutionally illegitimate.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Government in many respects. And the question is how.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Do we start chipping away at that. Someone like Trump
is trying to do what he can from the executive branch,
and I applaud him for those efforts.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
But in the end, what.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
We really need, what we really need are.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Not activist judges around the country. We really need Congress
to get engaged and to start repealing much of the
bad legislation that Congress passed in the first place that
created all these programs in these agencies.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
If only we've got about a minute and a half
left with you, doctor Tom kran a winner, and I
want to circle back to something from earlier in the
show when we had your friend Professor Lucas Morrell on
the program, who of course is one of the pre
eminent scholars on Frederick Douglas and Abraham Lincoln in this country,
and we talked about Frederick Douglass in his speech What
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to the Slave Is the fourth of July, and particularly
the identification by Douglas of the hypocrisy of the United
States to have slavery and contravention to the principles of
the Declaration.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But he was underscoring.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Saving principles, eternal principles, the Declaration being the ring bolt
to the chain of your nation's destiny. I wanted you
just in a minute to reflect a little bit on
that speech and the words and views of Douglas.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
This is such an important point for Americans today to
understand tomorrow as they're out there barbecuing their hamburgers.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
And their hot dogs.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
So the principles of the Declaration of Independence, all men
are creed equal, every human being has the same unailable
right to their own life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Those principles contradict slavery, or maybe once should say slavery
contradicts those principles, that they're incompatible with each other. You
can have the principles or you can have slavery, but
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you can't have both of them. You can't say both
are right at the same time. Now, reflecting on that contradiction,
it boggles my mind. Millions of Americans today say, well
that there is a contradiction, so we should get rid.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Of the principles.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Principles were wrong, the founding.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Was illegitimate, the Declaration was just a document of hypocrisy.
I take side of Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln and say,
you know, the principles are right.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
It means get rid of slavery so that there's no
more contradiction. And that's exactly what the Americans did. They
launched the greatest anti slavery movement in all.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Of history, and within four squars that they use Lincoln's dating,
it gets the first they got rid of it.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Tom Grantowatter, thank you, sir. Happy Independence Day. I'm Jimmy
Sangenberger in for Michael Brown here. On six point thirty
kow a.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Hacker got into student applications at Columbia University a while ago.
They wanted to see if Columbia University was still using
affirmative action in choosing students. They also posted a picture
of a smiling Trump on all the computer screens.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
All right, okay, At first I was like, Jimmy sangen
Burger in for Michael Brown. So at first I was
looking at dragging because this was a slot I'd given.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Him to plug in for the bumper. I was like,
what the heck are you doing?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Where's the blues or where's the Southern classic rock?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Still worth it though.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And then and then I realized, oh, yes, this is
perfect because I.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Told you we're gonna nerd out for a few minutes.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Fan Expo Denver, the Comic con here is coming to
Denver starting today. Guiltiest charge, that's you too, Dragon Redbeard
and Gosh, I mean William Shatner will be there today
and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Of course, if you missed the first hour, go.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Back to it or check out Mandy Connell podcast from
our sister station KOA on Monday when we interviewed William
Shatner together and I may or may not have been
critiqued by Captain Kirk himself, but he's there today and
tomorrow ninety four and as sharp as a sharper than attack.
Absolutely brilliant. God to love it. And so today, because
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especially we're going to be getting a picture taken with
mister Shatner at the event, I'm wearing my Star Trek
shirt for Captain Kirk. You and others have been saying today,
I'm glad you didn't wear the red shirt because we
know if you're a Star Trek fan and you particularly
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the original series, you know what it means when you
have a red shirt.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's sort of like being a stormtrooper in Star Wars.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Quick question though, if a stormtrooper shoots at a red shirt,
does the red shirt still die?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
That is the million dollar question.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's like Obi wan Kenobi asking who's more foolish, the
fooler the fool who follows him. Although I think there's
probably an answer to that one, the fool who follows him.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You got to be more foolish to follow them.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, so maybe that comparison doesn't work, but either way, yeah,
it's a that's a tough one. Does the red shirt
die if the stormtrooper shoots at him? I don't know,
but I do know one thing. And or Season two
a well season one too, but absolutely phenomenal, especially the
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second half of the Star Wars and Or series that
unfortunately it was only two seasons, doesn't have more.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What that's it, you know?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Although I mean I guess, yeah, there's no. Well, they
originally were.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Going to do five seasons, and but then they made it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Just too I mean, it was a very expensive show,
the second most expensive if I recall correctly.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
It looks beautiful, it's very gritty because it's the darker
underbelly of what the Star Wars universe is. So it's
it's ugly looking, but it's in a good way, if
that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yes, yes, exactly. Well that's what it should be in
that sense.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean, even if you go to the original trilogy,
George Lucas made it so things looked old. It's not
like you saw the money in Falcon and was pristine
conditions like Star Trek. Star Trek, they want to have
nice looking ships and everything. That's sort of part of
the utopian idea Star Wars different. We wanted to look
rugged and sort of realistic in a space sci fi
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not so realistic sense. I do want want to say though,
that while it's disappointing that and Or only got two
seasons at least our much disliked Acolyte Star Wars. The
Acolyte was canceled after one.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Season only one. I wonder why.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's not like it was absolutely crap or anything, utterly
utterly tear. I don't need to hear those words ever.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Again.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Absolutely, I'm still undecided as to how all the witches died.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Uh yeah, yeah, because sure will they they so so
ad fan Expo Denver Many Is it.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Just SENTI I hadn't seen Accolyte yet, Yeah, which is shoot,
oh well, we spoiled something that.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You should have say, if you were gonna watch it,
you you should have watched it already.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But if you didn't watch it, don't bother.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's just not worth And I say, this is a
lifelog diard. But today Manny Jacinto, I think, or this
weekend if that's his name, who plays the dark Side
so sith character. He's going to be speaking and doing
his thing there and doing photographs and everything. And you know,
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I have no hard feelings against the actors, and actually
he did a pretty good job given what he was
presented with, so I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But now they are saying that this character.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
May not in the visual guide for The Acolyte, there's
a question as to whether he actually is a Sith
or not.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Red Conning some stuff in The Acolyte, and.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I think that red Coon is necessary because there are
things in this show that should not have been there.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But I digress, because now we are in a.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Path where people who haven't watched The Acolyte may not
be familiar with Star Wars are going wait, what on account?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
What's going on? Yes, exactly, move along, move yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
If you have any sort of fandom that you enjoy,
the fin Expo Denver's really a.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
People will be dressed up in costumes. It's called costplaying,
and sometimes they are amazingly detailed, like they put a
lot of effort and time and passion into it and
it really shows and money, it really shows. And I'm
covering it for the Denver Gazette. I'll have a story
next week on it. But there's something special about it.
(24:34):
It's like it's a way to express your fandom. You
might be a diehard Denver Broncos fan. You go to
every game, you watch every game, you have the jerseys,
you all all the things. Well, this is a different
but It's similar in that it's a fandom. It's its
own kind of fandom because it's fictional, but it's nevertheless
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something people.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Care deeply about and good for them.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Have no talent to create some sort of cosplay, which
is why I have a T shirt that my fiance
Victoria bought for me so that I could have it
for meeting William Shatner Captain Kirk himself and hopefully he
doesn't scold me again.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Just this happen. Are you going to bring it up
there in this interview? You're the same jim from the interview.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I will tell him that I am the Jimmy from
Monday's radio interview who asked the compound question.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Okay, and I need a detailed reporter. So whether or
not he'll scold you.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Again, yeah, I don't think so, but not go on one.
I don't care. Hey, if he did it, I'd embrace it. Actually,
of course, you know, Captain Kirk chastising me for something,
and I see Ross Kaminski on the other side of
the glass, and he was there. It went listening in
when we did this interview, So it was just it
was a lot of fun. It was a great, great
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time and I'm looking forward to to more of was
to come check out the interview again if you if
you missed it. But nerding out sometimes can be such
such fun. Now I did want to get to one goober.
Oh gosh, she's a goober?
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Or she.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Two six six'. Five, jimmy individual rights are. Over that's
a really pessimistic. View that's a really sad, view AND
i couldn't disagree with. It. More individual rights are, Real they're,
legit they are. Eternal whether or not they are respected
(26:36):
appropriately sufficiently by governments is a different. Question but individual
rights are. Natural we are endowed by our creator with these.
Rights but it comes, from As Tom grantawitter said, before
having the capacity as individuals to, reason to work through,
(26:57):
problems to. Think we are in a right ought to
be free to, think free to, act and free to,
choose AS i, say and that is the what underpins individual.
Right so, no they're not, over and we need to
fight for them each and every day and not seed
(27:17):
the ground and hope that they, will and fight for
them to be more respected than they. Are I'm Jimmy
sangenberger in For Michael. BROWN i cannot believe that we
are almost done with four flying by hours on this
Independent State eve, Show we've got a close that you
(27:40):
will not want to. Miss on the other side, Again
jimmy in For michael On denver's talk station six point THIRTY.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Kl, Hey jimmy's just Remember scotty was a. Renshirt just
showed you how bad ass he really.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Was you, KNOW i think about that, too but you
put it in the best, way Mister Scott scotty beam me,
out which isn't actually. Said it is not actually said
like that, ever but, hey that's what pop culture does over.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Time but it is so, ingrained isn't. It, dragon the
same thing to The LUKE i am your? Father never, said, yes,
NO i am your?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Father did we just Spoil gosh if you haven't watched
that for any time for years that You're, brown everybody
knows it Because LUKE i am your.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Father, nope exactly, Right Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Sanging burger and For Michael, Brown Dragon redbeard behind the
glass as, always And dragon it's been great working with
you as, always total. Blast, yeah it just doesn't happen nearly.
Enough we got to make it happen. More that's not.
Me you guys somehow got to figure it, out BUT
i will say This tulane is a great song by
(28:56):
the Great Late Chuck berry and The Jimmy Junior Blues
band will be performed it live On saturday at in
The Zone Sports bar And, Grill Saturday july, fifth that
is In golden from seven to eleven p. M we'd
love to see out. There have SOME kaw listeners join
(29:17):
us for the. Festivities it'll be a. Blast they've got
all of my. Harps we just it's going to be a,
great great. TIME i do want to reflect a final
moment on This Independence, day a day that is to
me one of the most important in human, history in world, history.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Because it changed. Everything it was.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Radically shaping reshaping of the world and of our understanding
of freedom and government and how it all works and should.
Work but here's the. Thing did you know that they
have the fourth Of july In england?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Too they.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Do it just doesn't come with, fireworks hot dogs or
patriotic birthday, parties which is part of the reason WHY
i make a point of calling It Independence day and
wishing you a Happy Independence, day not fourth Of, July
happy fourth Of, july.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Because it's a Uniquely american.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Celebration of, liberty self, government that revolutionary idea that, again
AS i, say human beings are and of right ought
to be free to, think free.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
To act, in free to. Choose and it's, Fundamental it's a.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Cornerstone it, is in the words of the great, abolitionists
the freed Slave Frederick, douglas the ring bolt to the
chain of your nation's, destiny of our nations. Destiny amen to,
(31:10):
that and may we be so bold as to continue
to share the saving principles and hold them, dear the
eternal principles of THE Us constitution And declaration Of independence
that started it. All I'm Jimmy. Sangenberger thanks so much
for joining me. Today thanks to dragging again behind the
(31:33):
glass for a great.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Job always. Fun Maybe i'll see you a.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Fanexpo Maybe i'll see it The Jimmy Junior gig On.
Saturday either, way have a Happy Independence.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Day am A god Bless. America
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