January 15, 2026 • 30 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am Sylvia Moss, and this is Insight, a presentation
of iHeartMedia, where we really do care about our local
communities and all our listeners who live here. As I
begin this week's show, I'd like you to know that I
take very seriously the issues that you tell me are
the most important to you, the ones that impact your
everyday lives. Over the last almost thirty years that I've
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been doing this show, major improvements have been made in
some of the issues, and yet there are too many
others that seem to be impenetrabing. Now this is going
to be tough, impenetrable. There I said it. You are
still concerned about drug and alcohol abuse, mental health, and
those issues that impact our veterans and our children. However,
these are some of the most recent and prevalent issues
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that also concern you. Number one, the way we treat
each other, which means having no respect or refusing to
try or to understand in other's personal views, being left
down by the government leaders, food and housing, insecurity, the
impact that a bias media has had on our choices.
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And the final issue is one that is impacted by
all the others. It's our mental health, My guests today
are very familiar with all the aforementioned issues. In fact,
they have found that in order to begin to address
any issue, success begins with the ability to know how
to communicate with one another and be willing to understand
the reasons why all of us act and respond the
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way that we do. Having started your organization as someone
to tell it to not too many years ago, they've
seen it grow by leaps and bounds with people from.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
All over the world.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It gives me a whole lot of pleasure to introduce
you to my guests from someone to tell it to.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Mike Ingrake.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
He is the co founder and Chief Values Officer, Tom Caden,
the co founder and co chief Encouragement Officer, and Angela Dickinson.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No no, no, no, no, no, not that one, co chief
Encouragement officer. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I am so happy you're here, Tom and Mike. I
first met you, guys. What was it about ten or
fifteen years ago? Is it that long?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Sounds right?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And a lot to change in those years. I know
that you, as I said already, you've really grown. I
think you're the founders of Somebody. Are someone to tell
it to. I want to begin with a little bit
about you, you know, an explanation of your mission, why
you felt there was a need for I need someone
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to tell it to and personally, how this your background,
how this all came together? Go ahead and Michael take
it okay.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, Tom and I met more than fifteen years ago,
and I was serving as a mentor to him in
his first job out of graduate school, and we got
to become really good friends very quickly, very fast. And
we realized that we paying such good friends because we
shared the same values and that there's so many things
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that we believed in that we had in common. And
one of those things was that all of us need
someone to tell it to. We all need to be
able to tell our stories. We all need for people
to know who we are and what we believe, how
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we feel, what we're what we're doing. We need we
need people in our lives who can you know, who
can just who can know us? And so many of
us do not have those kinds of people or too
many of those people in our lives. There's we recognize
that there was an epidemic of loneliness that was only
growing stronger and stronger, and not only in this country,
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but around the world. And we wanted to do something
about that. And we had found that both of us
as as really as children, and we look back on it,
we're good listeners and people recognize that in us that
we had I think, both a sense of a sense
of empathy and a sense of compassion and of caring
for people and liking to connect with people in deeper
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and more impactful ways. And so that's where it began,
with those values, those beliefs, and that shared that shared interest.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And I think I first met you, I think you
had written a book at that time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
We've actually now written four books, but I think are
the first time we were on your radio program. We
had just written our first book, Someone to Tell to
sharing Life's Journey, which in that book it was fifty essays,
and both Michael and I had been published in a
lot of chicken soup for the Soul books, if you
remember those, and we had had several stories published, and
the nice thing about chicken soup is they allow you
to repurpose your stories. So we decided, I think this
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would be a good opportunity for us to tell our
story essentially and our larger story of not just where
we came from, but also the birth of someone to
tell to, and so we compiled that into fifty essays
and that was.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Our first book.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We know Mike said that it's for anybody. What do
you see? Do you see older people more younger people?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
We've seen people across the across the age rangers. The
youngest person to speak for when you know Tom and
I from our experience from the very beginning, the youngest
person we've ever met with a six years of age
and the oldest person is now ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
We've been been supporting and listening to and encouraging a
World War II veteran who left the war when it
was over and had a lot of trauma from some
of the things he experienced and continues to reach out
to us today. We're still in touch.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
We know, okay, as people get in touch with you
and I know, listen to me, I know someone someone
to tell it to dot org which is your website?
Are they reach out to you via phone?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
As far as the issues, am I on target with
a lot of the things are using more issues that I'm.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Yeah, it's kind of across the spectrum in terms of
just like the human emotions that we all deal with,
so grief, loss, you know, just unforeseen circumstances in your life.
Maybe you lose a job and you feel stuck. I
mean that's essentially actually how our organization was birthed, and
that was out of my own sense of loneliness and
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pain and confusion. I had had a first position out
of grad school that did not go well, and that
was when Michael and I had fortunately developed a strong friendship.
And what he provided for me, we realize, is what
everybody needs. And I always say every time we give
a talk anywhere, all of us should be able to
see ourselves in this mission because we can all think
of instances where we've been stuck and we have some
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kind of a burden that we're carrying, and it needs
to be shared and unpacked with others who will listen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I think a lot of people don't think. And I
got to tell up front, you guys aren't counselors, right right,
But a lot of people don't open up because they
are afraid they're being going to be judged. Why is
that and why what you do is so different from
anybody else.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I want to just go back and say that I
think that anything that you would love to tell a
friend and sit down over a cup of coffee and
talk to a friend about that, Those are the types
of things that we hear. And it can range from
job loss, a loss of a loss of a loved one.
It can be things of joy, something that you're going
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through that you're really excited and happy about. Because we
know that sometimes having someone be happy for you, it
can be hard to find someone who's truly happy for
you without them feeling a sense of comparison and things
like that. So honestly, anything that you want to sit
down with a friend and talk about, those are the
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types of things that we hear.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you mean there's a difference between friends and associates
or people acquaintances, the ones for one reason or that
you remain close to, you've already established a trust with them,
you know all about them, you know the hell they
went through and all the fun games they went through,
so you're more safe. It's safer to do that, but
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it's really difficult for a lot of people out there,
like I said, to open up because of that, and
that that really upsets me. And I think you may
may not that you've made it but you got You're
right on target with all that. Where do your clients
come from? I mean, did they hear about you? Do
you get referrals from people? How does that work?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
We have a website, so from the website here about
us that way. But also we know that there are
people who just google you know, you know, emotional support
and mental health, you know support and and and our name,
you know, gratefully comes up for for people and they'll
reach out. We also get a lot of people who
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know us and maybe we've helped them or somebody they
know and love. The people will refer uh to us
social media. We're on social media also because of our books,
of our blogs. You know, they're just a variety of
ways in which people learn about us and find out
about us.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
One of the major things that I've heard, and I
haven't I've only heard this over last year or two
maybe two years, is people families, to be honest. I
had a gentleman in here about a year ago, and
he said to me he was talking about the Civil War.
He was an expert on the Civil War. He said,
never has our country been so divided? Have families so divided?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Politics? Now?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Are very they split families up ruin holidays when they
discuss them. What kind of advice can you get somebody
like that, shut your mouth, blow it off.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I mean, what can you do?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's terrible and those are the wounds that people hold
on to it for years.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I think one of the messages we convey all the
time is just to work to try and find what
you have in common. And you're not going to have
common interests or values with everybody, and like that's okay,
and just giving yourself permission to not be able to connect,
maybe on the deepest level with everybody, but I think
we should be able to work towards finding commonalities with
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everybody that we meet. Though, Oh it's so hard.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I'm always saying on the program, I've said many
many times, things aren't the way you think they are,
whether it's politics or what as With politics as an example,
they're not the same PARTI as they were when they
my dad's party or my mom's party. Then they're good
enough for me. Then it's good enough for me. Guess
what take five minutes to educate yourself? Since that's a
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big issue, but it also applies to other issues and
to people like you say you got to know. You
got to know people, what hearted they went through, you know,
what's made them the way that they are.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah, finding commonalities really starts with listening, staying curious and
really listening well. And sometimes it's you have to listen
more closely for some people.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And I want to talk to you more about how
you do that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I think Mike, we were chatting the other day and
you told me, as far as politics is concerned, empathy
is so important. And you had said something about the
governor how he showed empathy to another governor, which I
didn't know. I think I always thought he was a
good guy, but I didn't know he did stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Sure, there's a video, I mean I just I just
ran into it literally last week on YouTube with our governor,
Governor Shapiro and Governor Spencer Cox of Utah. And they
are political opposites. When a Republican won a Democrat one
more progressive, one much more conservative, one is a Mormon,
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one is a jew. They but they but they are
of similar They found some commonalities both the governors, so
you know that that kind of helped to bond them
a little bit. They both have four children, they both
are of the same age. But they had one thing
this past year in particular that they had in common
that very few other people, very few other governors have had.
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Both dealt with traumatic instances within their state.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Ah the fires.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So for for Pennsylvania, it was that after celebrating us
Passover Sadar, this pass spring in, you know, in early
five after the governor, Governor Shapiro of Pennsylvania was you know,
hosted as Sadr to the family and some friends and
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other Jewish Jewish leaders. And after it was over, when
the when the first when the family, you know, the
governor's family went went to bed, they were awoke, awakened
by the state police bursting in and literally rousing them
out of bed and saying, you've got to get out now.
The mansion or the governor's residence is on fire. Someone
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broke in and and through fire bombs in the very
room where the Sadar had been held, and the place
was on fire. And it was that that part portion
of the governor's resistance was internally destroyed. And that was
extremely traumatic for the governor's family because the person who
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alleged you know who admitted to doing it and was
in prison then found admitted that he was He had
a small sledge hammer and he was looking for the
governor to smash.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
His head in oh I didn't realize that.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yes, so there was that. So that was very traumatic
for for Governor Shapiro's family. Then I think it's a
September in Utah, Charlie Kirk, the political commentator and entrepreneur,
was murdered shot while he was giving a speech at
a university in Utah, and Governor Cox was suddenly suddenly
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thrust into the national spotlight having to deal with this
and calm the state can reassure people and helped to
lead the aftermath of the terrible tragedy in their state.
And he said that Governor Superior was the first person
who reached out to him after that happened because he
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was walking. They they had a shared trauma, a different
kind of trauma, but it was shared. And I saw this.
I saw this on YouTube back in December at the
Washington National Cathedral Cathedral. Both governors were there and they
were in a conversation was led by Savannah Guthrie of
NBC News, who moderated the conversation asking them how they met,
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how they and their friends, how they connected and why.
And it was over especially this trauma that they experienced,
and so they both understood what it even though it
was a different kind of trauma, but it affected their
families in much the same way. Both of them felt guilty,
feel guilty because their positions, their official positions, have put
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their families live.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Is in danger.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You never know that.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
And just two days before UH this conversation back in December,
UH Governor Cox told the audience that this at the
state Capitol in Salt Lake City, a man called and said,
I have a gun and I want to come and
shoot you, the governor, in the head. And so they
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both knew that they were there, they were targets. They
were they were targets, and and so that trauma helped
they found some common ground, even though they agree that
they disagree a lot of a lot of political issues,
but that that those two different experiences just just totally
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upended their lives and their families' lives, and they're still
dealing with you know, they're going to be dealing with
this really forever, probably both both families and both governors.
And and so UH, I think that story is very powerful, sure,
because we hear so many politicians and you know, they
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won't talk with one another. All they do is demonize
one another. They won't they won't even be seen in
the same room together often if they can help it,
and are seen cooperating with one another. And here to
who are too politically you know, big political figures who
are saying that is not the answer.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, you know, it kind of reinforces something that I've thought.
I had a friend say to me recently, you choose
your candidates by their character.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I choose them by their policy.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I feel a lot of what makes a person
and what determines their policy is their character. I think
we stereotype too much, and there's a lot of reason.
But you know that we do that. But how do
you feel about that? Do we stereotype? Do we judge
people before we really in most cases, do we judge
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people before we really know them?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You want me to keep going there? Of course we do.
I think it's I think, in some cases very much
part of our human nature. It's easy to judge other people.
And we you know, we've we've talked about this that
one of our heroes is mister Rogers. Fred Rodgers and
and Fred Rogers would always say that it's much easier
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to love someone when you know their story. And when
we often when we judge is because we don't know
someone's story. We don't know what their past is like.
We don't know what's happened to them. We don't know
what they've gone through. We don't know what what their fears,
their experiences have been, We don't know what it is
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that that makes them you know that you know that
makes them insecure, or whatever it might be. The more
we can listen to and hear other people's stories, even
if we don't agree with the way they react to
those stories and respond to them, at least we begin
to understand why they may say what they do, act
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the way they do, or don't act the way maybe
we think they should, or or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That usually happens after you get married, you get you
married something.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You're not the I'm.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Marriedson who I thought I was marrying?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, but seriously, we we do jump to conclusions. But
we have learned in the work that we've we're now
in our fifteenth year with someone to tell it to.
We we've learned over the years that we when we
can hear why someone what they've gone through, what they've experienced,
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it makes a huge difference in the way they we
perceive them, even if we don't agree with them, that
even if we don't even like them, and some you know,
it doesn't mean we have to like everybody, but it is.
But on the other hand, we believe that, you know,
we're all in this world together. We all have a
lot more in common than what divides and differs in us.
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And that's why we try to find that as they're
in the common ground, well, you.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Know, along those same lines, people don't.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's just over the last few years of people are
starting to realize that a lot of people are the
way they are because they're repeating behaviors they learned at home.
It's like drug and alcohol abuse is a generational thing.
You pass it on unless somebody has the strength to say, WHOA,
there's something wrong with this. I need to get some
help and support. That's something. And when talking about why
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the people hold on to things, when I hear about
what happened to those women the Epstein or whatever, the
documents and those a lot of women have held on
that fifteen twenty years. Well, they should be over it
by now, you don't. That's why women do not report, right,
The numbers on things like that are very low that
they report because that's it's like post stress disorder. That
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is something that they're going to have to deal with
forever and ever. That's why they don't come through. So
all that you're telling me about this is it's just
right on target. You're right, we have to learn. I mean,
you don't what to somebody say, Hey, I heard your
mom and dad abuton when you're a kid. I mean
it's not that, but it's that old phrase in order
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to have a friend, you got to be a friend.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I'm thinking about you just use the words should and
I've often I think I even spoken at a church
one time about this, is that we shouldn't be shoulding
on people because any and when you talk about a
lack of judgment, I think anytime we start telling people
how they should be showing up or they maybe they
shouldn't be carrying this as long as they are, like
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you just mentioned, we're we're placing a judgment on them.
And so how do we how do we remove those judgments? Well,
part of it is that we stop placing those shoulds
on people. Because I'm even thinking of an elderly man
that we've been listening to for a very long time.
He recently lost his wife, and just yesterday we called
him to check in on him and his wife. Her
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voice message is still on his phone, and she died
five or six months ago. And I'm sure there's some
people who have said to him already, like you should
be removing her voice off the answering machine. We've had
people tell us that before, and it's just like, now,
if this is what's providing him a sense of comfort,
and maybe it's the last time, the last thing he
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has recorded of her voice, So don't should on him,
that's right, you know, And so that's just something maybe
to hold on to.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think that's wonderful. My father did that. My father
had a very successful business. When my mother passed away,
he did the same thing for seventeen years. But he
still went to the business, kept himself clean, did everything
like a normal life, but his heart was broken in
that time. He was at the cemetery every day. Nothing
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in our house was changed from the day that my
mother passed away. And I talked to somebody and they
said the same thing. As long as he's functioning, don't
tell him what to do. He ain't get to the
age that he is without his wisdom. Wouldn't be awesome
if we could start at eybe some years old and
go backwards. Hey, kiddo, I want to keep on calling
her kidder because she's older than she looks and she's
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a door attle, and I'm not forgetting about you.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Listen to this. I fear my spouse is chooting on me.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
My elderly parent keeps repeating the same thing over and
over again. It's driving me nuts. My child is fighting
a terrible disease, and oh my god, I'm going I
think I'm gonna lose him. I have to quit my
job before I have a freaking stroke. A lot of
these are common things that people deal with. I had
to asked you guys earlier, and Mike mentioned that you
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deal with all kinds of issues, really, all kinds of
Is there anything you don't want to hear about? Maybe
you're in your experience because they know you train a
lot of people.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I think if it's something that someone needs to talk about,
something that needs to be heard.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, so nothing shocks you and you're not there to
say hey, you should or anything else. You're there to
and your people that listen that you've trained, You train
the metallest.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's pretty tough. Which brings me to another point.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I've said to my son, my ex husband of
many years when we were married, saying to him, you said,
you heard what I said, but you listen? Did you
listen to what I said? And there is a different difference.
Tell me about your how you're trained or how you
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do the training of the people that come to you
to become listeners. Are there any prerequisites? And who are
the best people listening out there who might want to
consider becoming a listener?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Well, that is a multifaceting question. Okay, I love all
the parts of that. Let me start by saying, we
think of everyone. It's kind of like we have a
box of puzzle pieces we're walking around with and there's
all those puzzle pieces inside, and we kind of don't
have the cover to the box. We're not exactly sure
what our puzzle is supposed to look like. But compassionate
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listening and listening says here, let's sit down at this table,
dump your puzzle pieces out. Let's spread them out. Let's
see what's here. We'll see what connects, we'll see what fits.
I'm not going to put the puzzle together for you,
but I will help you and listen as you begin
to make those connections and put your puzzle pieces together.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
And then when you're.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Done, pack it back up and we'll come back and
sit together another time. So taking the time to process
what puzzle pieces are there, and again, if somebody wants
to talk about the same thing over and over and
over again, we will listen over and over because that
processing is all very.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Important work that happened patience. You've found a way to
teach patients, did you?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I think?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I think listening is a practice in patients for all
of us, but so rewarding, so rewarding, and the steps
that we teach in our training, we believe that there
are six steps that hold true for everyone to be
able to be a better listener. And that's something that
our training program is designed based on what we observed
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from the very start of someone to tell it to
and what was successful years and years and years. So
that's what the six steps are based on.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Oh that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know, you train the people that you have that
are trained listeners, you have them dealing with the person
in pairs.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Why is that.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Pairs is something that is very important to us, and
there's a lot of reasons for that. One of the
things I like most about it is that if you
and I are sitting down and talking, there's an expectation
that you'll talk and I'll respond, and then you'll talk,
I'll respond, and the conversation kind of pingpongs back and
forth that way. As soon as you throw another person
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into the mix, it actually slows the conversation down a bit.
It gives more time for reflection, for processing, for thinking,
and there's not that expectation or that speed of the conversation.
And so that's a beautiful result of having three people
in the conversation. There's also some other reasons too that
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I think we're hearing that mental health professionals are exhausted.
There's a lot of weightiness to listening so intently for
so long. When you have a partner as a listener,
it really does help to ease that burden a little bit.
I don't want to say burden, because it's a great
joy to listen, but it helps. It can help because
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there are now two people who have heard the same
thing and can debrief about it afterwards. So it's also
a form of self care for our listeners.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh that's tough self care, especially for women, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I think the other I mean, there's a lot of reasons.
Another reason is just we operate outside it like a
traditional model, and so we don't. We sometimes have people
come to our office in Harrisburg, but oftentimes we're meeting
in public places and that's been since day one. We
meet in coffee shops, restaurants, We've gone on walks with people,
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We've visited people in the hospitals, and so having that
second listener is just I think for even semi litigious society,
it protects ourselves, It protects the person that we're listening to.
We could have said this earlier too. I think this
will be helpful for our listeners. Everybody we call someone.
It's kind of a branding thing for us, but it's
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also to make everybody feel as if they can see
themselves in our organization. That everybody carries things that they
hold on to that need to be shared and processed,
and so even our listeners meet with our other listeners.
It just happened. We have monthly listening meetings for all
of our volunteers, and just two nights ago, our volunteers
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get together and we practice listening with each other because
we all carry things and needs to be processed and
we just try to normalize things, normalize the human experience.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's awesome. Guess what? Running out of time.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I still have a whole lot to talk about, So
if you're willing to come back next week, we can
continue the conversation. If that's okay with you, guys, absolutely
before we wrap this up Part one? What is your
website address?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Someone to tell it to dot org.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's awesome, okay, from someone to tell it to dot org?
I guess have been Michael Gingray, co founder and Keith
Values Officer, Tom Kayden, co founder and co chief Encouragement Officer,
and Andrewe Dickinson. I love it, co chief Encouragement Officer.
Join us for part two of this program.
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You're gonna love it. There's a whole lot of good stuff.
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Each week on Insight, we address and try to provide
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Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I am Sylvia Moss, and this is Insight, a presentation
of iHeartMedia, where we really do care about our local
communities and all our listeners who live here. As I
begin this week's show, I'd like you to know that I
take very seriously the issues that you tell me are
the most important to you, the ones that impact your
everyday lives. Over the last almost thirty years that I've
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been doing this show, major improvements have been made in
some of the issues, and yet there are too many
others that seem to be impenetrabing. Now this is going
to be tough, impenetrable. There I said it. You are
still concerned about drug and alcohol abuse, mental health, and
those issues that impact our veterans and our children. However,
these are some of the most recent and prevalent issues
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that also concern you. Number one, the way we treat
each other, which means having no respect or refusing to
try or to understand in other's personal views, being left
down by the government leaders, food and housing, insecurity, the
impact that a bias media has had on our choices.
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And the final issue is one that is impacted by
all the others. It's our mental health, My guests today
are very familiar with all the aforementioned issues. In fact,
they have found that in order to begin to address
any issue, success begins with the ability to know how
to communicate with one another and be willing to understand
the reasons why all of us act and respond the
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way that we do. Having started your organization as someone
to tell it to not too many years ago, they've
seen it grow by leaps and bounds with people from.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
All over the world.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It gives me a whole lot of pleasure to introduce
you to my guests from someone to tell it to.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Mike Ingrake.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
He is the co founder and Chief Values Officer, Tom Caden,
the co founder and co chief Encouragement Officer, and Angela Dickinson.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No no, no, no, no, no, not that one, co chief
Encouragement officer. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I am so happy you're here, Tom and Mike. I
first met you, guys. What was it about ten or
fifteen years ago? Is it that long?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Sounds right?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And a lot to change in those years. I know
that you, as I said already, you've really grown. I
think you're the founders of Somebody. Are someone to tell
it to. I want to begin with a little bit
about you, you know, an explanation of your mission, why
you felt there was a need for I need someone
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to tell it to and personally, how this your background,
how this all came together? Go ahead and Michael take
it okay.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, Tom and I met more than fifteen years ago,
and I was serving as a mentor to him in
his first job out of graduate school, and we got
to become really good friends very quickly, very fast. And
we realized that we paying such good friends because we
shared the same values and that there's so many things
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that we believed in that we had in common. And
one of those things was that all of us need
someone to tell it to. We all need to be
able to tell our stories. We all need for people
to know who we are and what we believe, how
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we feel, what we're what we're doing. We need we
need people in our lives who can you know, who
can just who can know us? And so many of
us do not have those kinds of people or too
many of those people in our lives. There's we recognize
that there was an epidemic of loneliness that was only
growing stronger and stronger, and not only in this country,
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but around the world. And we wanted to do something
about that. And we had found that both of us
as as really as children, and we look back on it,
we're good listeners and people recognize that in us that
we had I think, both a sense of a sense
of empathy and a sense of compassion and of caring
for people and liking to connect with people in deeper
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and more impactful ways. And so that's where it began,
with those values, those beliefs, and that shared that shared interest.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And I think I first met you, I think you
had written a book at that time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
We've actually now written four books, but I think are
the first time we were on your radio program. We
had just written our first book, Someone to Tell to
sharing Life's Journey, which in that book it was fifty essays,
and both Michael and I had been published in a
lot of chicken soup for the Soul books, if you
remember those, and we had had several stories published, and
the nice thing about chicken soup is they allow you
to repurpose your stories. So we decided, I think this
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would be a good opportunity for us to tell our
story essentially and our larger story of not just where
we came from, but also the birth of someone to
tell to, and so we compiled that into fifty essays
and that was.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Our first book.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We know Mike said that it's for anybody. What do
you see? Do you see older people more younger people?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
We've seen people across the across the age rangers. The
youngest person to speak for when you know Tom and
I from our experience from the very beginning, the youngest
person we've ever met with a six years of age
and the oldest person is now ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
We've been been supporting and listening to and encouraging a
World War II veteran who left the war when it
was over and had a lot of trauma from some
of the things he experienced and continues to reach out
to us today. We're still in touch.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
We know, okay, as people get in touch with you
and I know, listen to me, I know someone someone
to tell it to dot org which is your website?
Are they reach out to you via phone?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
As far as the issues, am I on target with
a lot of the things are using more issues that I'm.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Yeah, it's kind of across the spectrum in terms of
just like the human emotions that we all deal with,
so grief, loss, you know, just unforeseen circumstances in your life.
Maybe you lose a job and you feel stuck. I
mean that's essentially actually how our organization was birthed, and
that was out of my own sense of loneliness and
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pain and confusion. I had had a first position out
of grad school that did not go well, and that
was when Michael and I had fortunately developed a strong friendship.
And what he provided for me, we realize, is what
everybody needs. And I always say every time we give
a talk anywhere, all of us should be able to
see ourselves in this mission because we can all think
of instances where we've been stuck and we have some
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kind of a burden that we're carrying, and it needs
to be shared and unpacked with others who will listen.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I think a lot of people don't think. And I
got to tell up front, you guys aren't counselors, right right,
But a lot of people don't open up because they
are afraid they're being going to be judged. Why is
that and why what you do is so different from
anybody else.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I want to just go back and say that I
think that anything that you would love to tell a
friend and sit down over a cup of coffee and
talk to a friend about that, Those are the types
of things that we hear. And it can range from
job loss, a loss of a loss of a loved one.
It can be things of joy, something that you're going
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through that you're really excited and happy about. Because we
know that sometimes having someone be happy for you, it
can be hard to find someone who's truly happy for
you without them feeling a sense of comparison and things
like that. So honestly, anything that you want to sit
down with a friend and talk about, those are the
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types of things that we hear.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you mean there's a difference between friends and associates
or people acquaintances, the ones for one reason or that
you remain close to, you've already established a trust with them,
you know all about them, you know the hell they
went through and all the fun games they went through,
so you're more safe. It's safer to do that, but
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it's really difficult for a lot of people out there,
like I said, to open up because of that, and
that that really upsets me. And I think you may
may not that you've made it but you got You're
right on target with all that. Where do your clients
come from? I mean, did they hear about you? Do
you get referrals from people? How does that work?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
We have a website, so from the website here about
us that way. But also we know that there are
people who just google you know, you know, emotional support
and mental health, you know support and and and our name,
you know, gratefully comes up for for people and they'll
reach out. We also get a lot of people who
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know us and maybe we've helped them or somebody they
know and love. The people will refer uh to us
social media. We're on social media also because of our books,
of our blogs. You know, they're just a variety of
ways in which people learn about us and find out
about us.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
One of the major things that I've heard, and I
haven't I've only heard this over last year or two
maybe two years, is people families, to be honest. I
had a gentleman in here about a year ago, and
he said to me he was talking about the Civil War.
He was an expert on the Civil War. He said,
never has our country been so divided? Have families so divided?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Politics? Now?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Are very they split families up ruin holidays when they
discuss them. What kind of advice can you get somebody
like that, shut your mouth, blow it off.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I mean, what can you do?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's terrible and those are the wounds that people hold
on to it for years.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I think one of the messages we convey all the
time is just to work to try and find what
you have in common. And you're not going to have
common interests or values with everybody, and like that's okay,
and just giving yourself permission to not be able to connect,
maybe on the deepest level with everybody, but I think
we should be able to work towards finding commonalities with
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everybody that we meet. Though, Oh it's so hard.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I'm always saying on the program, I've said many
many times, things aren't the way you think they are,
whether it's politics or what as With politics as an example,
they're not the same PARTI as they were when they
my dad's party or my mom's party. Then they're good
enough for me. Then it's good enough for me. Guess
what take five minutes to educate yourself? Since that's a
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big issue, but it also applies to other issues and
to people like you say you got to know. You
got to know people, what hearted they went through, you know,
what's made them the way that they are.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah, finding commonalities really starts with listening, staying curious and
really listening well. And sometimes it's you have to listen
more closely for some people.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And I want to talk to you more about how
you do that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I think Mike, we were chatting the other day and
you told me, as far as politics is concerned, empathy
is so important. And you had said something about the
governor how he showed empathy to another governor, which I
didn't know. I think I always thought he was a
good guy, but I didn't know he did stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Sure, there's a video, I mean I just I just
ran into it literally last week on YouTube with our governor,
Governor Shapiro and Governor Spencer Cox of Utah. And they
are political opposites. When a Republican won a Democrat one
more progressive, one much more conservative, one is a Mormon,
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one is a jew. They but they but they are
of similar They found some commonalities both the governors, so
you know that that kind of helped to bond them
a little bit. They both have four children, they both
are of the same age. But they had one thing
this past year in particular that they had in common
that very few other people, very few other governors have had.
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Both dealt with traumatic instances within their state.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Ah the fires.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So for for Pennsylvania, it was that after celebrating us
Passover Sadar, this pass spring in, you know, in early
five after the governor, Governor Shapiro of Pennsylvania was you know,
hosted as Sadr to the family and some friends and
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other Jewish Jewish leaders. And after it was over, when
the when the first when the family, you know, the
governor's family went went to bed, they were awoke, awakened
by the state police bursting in and literally rousing them
out of bed and saying, you've got to get out now.
The mansion or the governor's residence is on fire. Someone
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broke in and and through fire bombs in the very
room where the Sadar had been held, and the place
was on fire. And it was that that part portion
of the governor's resistance was internally destroyed. And that was
extremely traumatic for the governor's family because the person who
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alleged you know who admitted to doing it and was
in prison then found admitted that he was He had
a small sledge hammer and he was looking for the
governor to smash.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
His head in oh I didn't realize that.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yes, so there was that. So that was very traumatic
for for Governor Shapiro's family. Then I think it's a
September in Utah, Charlie Kirk, the political commentator and entrepreneur,
was murdered shot while he was giving a speech at
a university in Utah, and Governor Cox was suddenly suddenly
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thrust into the national spotlight having to deal with this
and calm the state can reassure people and helped to
lead the aftermath of the terrible tragedy in their state.
And he said that Governor Superior was the first person
who reached out to him after that happened because he
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was walking. They they had a shared trauma, a different
kind of trauma, but it was shared. And I saw this.
I saw this on YouTube back in December at the
Washington National Cathedral Cathedral. Both governors were there and they
were in a conversation was led by Savannah Guthrie of
NBC News, who moderated the conversation asking them how they met,
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how they and their friends, how they connected and why.
And it was over especially this trauma that they experienced,
and so they both understood what it even though it
was a different kind of trauma, but it affected their
families in much the same way. Both of them felt guilty,
feel guilty because their positions, their official positions, have put
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their families live.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Is in danger.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You never know that.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
And just two days before UH this conversation back in December,
UH Governor Cox told the audience that this at the
state Capitol in Salt Lake City, a man called and said,
I have a gun and I want to come and
shoot you, the governor, in the head. And so they
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both knew that they were there, they were targets. They
were they were targets, and and so that trauma helped
they found some common ground, even though they agree that
they disagree a lot of a lot of political issues,
but that that those two different experiences just just totally
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upended their lives and their families' lives, and they're still
dealing with you know, they're going to be dealing with
this really forever, probably both both families and both governors.
And and so UH, I think that story is very powerful, sure,
because we hear so many politicians and you know, they
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won't talk with one another. All they do is demonize
one another. They won't they won't even be seen in
the same room together often if they can help it,
and are seen cooperating with one another. And here to
who are too politically you know, big political figures who
are saying that is not the answer.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, you know, it kind of reinforces something that I've thought.
I had a friend say to me recently, you choose
your candidates by their character.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I choose them by their policy.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I feel a lot of what makes a person
and what determines their policy is their character. I think
we stereotype too much, and there's a lot of reason.
But you know that we do that. But how do
you feel about that? Do we stereotype? Do we judge
people before we really in most cases, do we judge
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people before we really know them?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You want me to keep going there? Of course we do.
I think it's I think, in some cases very much
part of our human nature. It's easy to judge other people.
And we you know, we've we've talked about this that
one of our heroes is mister Rogers. Fred Rodgers and
and Fred Rogers would always say that it's much easier
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to love someone when you know their story. And when
we often when we judge is because we don't know
someone's story. We don't know what their past is like.
We don't know what's happened to them. We don't know
what they've gone through. We don't know what what their fears,
their experiences have been, We don't know what it is
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that that makes them you know that you know that
makes them insecure, or whatever it might be. The more
we can listen to and hear other people's stories, even
if we don't agree with the way they react to
those stories and respond to them, at least we begin
to understand why they may say what they do, act
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the way they do, or don't act the way maybe
we think they should, or or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That usually happens after you get married, you get you
married something.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You're not the I'm.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Marriedson who I thought I was marrying?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Right?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, but seriously, we we do jump to conclusions. But
we have learned in the work that we've we're now
in our fifteenth year with someone to tell it to.
We we've learned over the years that we when we
can hear why someone what they've gone through, what they've experienced,
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it makes a huge difference in the way they we
perceive them, even if we don't agree with them, that
even if we don't even like them, and some you know,
it doesn't mean we have to like everybody, but it is.
But on the other hand, we believe that, you know,
we're all in this world together. We all have a
lot more in common than what divides and differs in us.
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And that's why we try to find that as they're
in the common ground, well, you.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Know, along those same lines, people don't.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's just over the last few years of people are
starting to realize that a lot of people are the
way they are because they're repeating behaviors they learned at home.
It's like drug and alcohol abuse is a generational thing.
You pass it on unless somebody has the strength to say, WHOA,
there's something wrong with this. I need to get some
help and support. That's something. And when talking about why
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the people hold on to things, when I hear about
what happened to those women the Epstein or whatever, the
documents and those a lot of women have held on
that fifteen twenty years. Well, they should be over it
by now, you don't. That's why women do not report, right,
The numbers on things like that are very low that
they report because that's it's like post stress disorder. That
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is something that they're going to have to deal with
forever and ever. That's why they don't come through. So
all that you're telling me about this is it's just
right on target. You're right, we have to learn. I mean,
you don't what to somebody say, Hey, I heard your
mom and dad abuton when you're a kid. I mean
it's not that, but it's that old phrase in order
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to have a friend, you got to be a friend.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I'm thinking about you just use the words should and
I've often I think I even spoken at a church
one time about this, is that we shouldn't be shoulding
on people because any and when you talk about a
lack of judgment, I think anytime we start telling people
how they should be showing up or they maybe they
shouldn't be carrying this as long as they are, like
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you just mentioned, we're we're placing a judgment on them.
And so how do we how do we remove those judgments? Well,
part of it is that we stop placing those shoulds
on people. Because I'm even thinking of an elderly man
that we've been listening to for a very long time.
He recently lost his wife, and just yesterday we called
him to check in on him and his wife. Her
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voice message is still on his phone, and she died
five or six months ago. And I'm sure there's some
people who have said to him already, like you should
be removing her voice off the answering machine. We've had
people tell us that before, and it's just like, now,
if this is what's providing him a sense of comfort,
and maybe it's the last time, the last thing he
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has recorded of her voice, So don't should on him,
that's right, you know, And so that's just something maybe
to hold on to.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think that's wonderful. My father did that. My father
had a very successful business. When my mother passed away,
he did the same thing for seventeen years. But he
still went to the business, kept himself clean, did everything
like a normal life, but his heart was broken in
that time. He was at the cemetery every day. Nothing
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in our house was changed from the day that my
mother passed away. And I talked to somebody and they
said the same thing. As long as he's functioning, don't
tell him what to do. He ain't get to the
age that he is without his wisdom. Wouldn't be awesome
if we could start at eybe some years old and
go backwards. Hey, kiddo, I want to keep on calling
her kidder because she's older than she looks and she's
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a door attle, and I'm not forgetting about you.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Listen to this. I fear my spouse is chooting on me.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
My elderly parent keeps repeating the same thing over and
over again. It's driving me nuts. My child is fighting
a terrible disease, and oh my god, I'm going I
think I'm gonna lose him. I have to quit my
job before I have a freaking stroke. A lot of
these are common things that people deal with. I had
to asked you guys earlier, and Mike mentioned that you
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deal with all kinds of issues, really, all kinds of
Is there anything you don't want to hear about? Maybe
you're in your experience because they know you train a
lot of people.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I think if it's something that someone needs to talk about,
something that needs to be heard.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, so nothing shocks you and you're not there to
say hey, you should or anything else. You're there to
and your people that listen that you've trained, You train
the metallest.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's pretty tough. Which brings me to another point.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I've said to my son, my ex husband of
many years when we were married, saying to him, you said,
you heard what I said, but you listen? Did you
listen to what I said? And there is a different difference.
Tell me about your how you're trained or how you
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do the training of the people that come to you
to become listeners. Are there any prerequisites? And who are
the best people listening out there who might want to
consider becoming a listener?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Well, that is a multifaceting question. Okay, I love all
the parts of that. Let me start by saying, we
think of everyone. It's kind of like we have a
box of puzzle pieces we're walking around with and there's
all those puzzle pieces inside, and we kind of don't
have the cover to the box. We're not exactly sure
what our puzzle is supposed to look like. But compassionate
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listening and listening says here, let's sit down at this table,
dump your puzzle pieces out. Let's spread them out. Let's
see what's here. We'll see what connects, we'll see what fits.
I'm not going to put the puzzle together for you,
but I will help you and listen as you begin
to make those connections and put your puzzle pieces together.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
And then when you're.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Done, pack it back up and we'll come back and
sit together another time. So taking the time to process
what puzzle pieces are there, and again, if somebody wants
to talk about the same thing over and over and
over again, we will listen over and over because that
processing is all very.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Important work that happened patience. You've found a way to
teach patients, did you?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I think?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I think listening is a practice in patients for all
of us, but so rewarding, so rewarding, and the steps
that we teach in our training, we believe that there
are six steps that hold true for everyone to be
able to be a better listener. And that's something that
our training program is designed based on what we observed
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from the very start of someone to tell it to
and what was successful years and years and years. So
that's what the six steps are based on.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Oh that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know, you train the people that you have that
are trained listeners, you have them dealing with the person
in pairs.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Why is that.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Pairs is something that is very important to us, and
there's a lot of reasons for that. One of the
things I like most about it is that if you
and I are sitting down and talking, there's an expectation
that you'll talk and I'll respond, and then you'll talk,
I'll respond, and the conversation kind of pingpongs back and
forth that way. As soon as you throw another person
(25:56):
into the mix, it actually slows the conversation down a bit.
It gives more time for reflection, for processing, for thinking,
and there's not that expectation or that speed of the conversation.
And so that's a beautiful result of having three people
in the conversation. There's also some other reasons too that
(26:18):
I think we're hearing that mental health professionals are exhausted.
There's a lot of weightiness to listening so intently for
so long. When you have a partner as a listener,
it really does help to ease that burden a little bit.
I don't want to say burden, because it's a great
joy to listen, but it helps. It can help because
(26:39):
there are now two people who have heard the same
thing and can debrief about it afterwards. So it's also
a form of self care for our listeners.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh that's tough self care, especially for women, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I think the other I mean, there's a lot of reasons.
Another reason is just we operate outside it like a
traditional model, and so we don't. We sometimes have people
come to our office in Harrisburg, but oftentimes we're meeting
in public places and that's been since day one. We
meet in coffee shops, restaurants, We've gone on walks with people,
(27:12):
We've visited people in the hospitals, and so having that
second listener is just I think for even semi litigious society,
it protects ourselves, It protects the person that we're listening to.
We could have said this earlier too. I think this
will be helpful for our listeners. Everybody we call someone.
It's kind of a branding thing for us, but it's
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also to make everybody feel as if they can see
themselves in our organization. That everybody carries things that they
hold on to that need to be shared and processed,
and so even our listeners meet with our other listeners.
It just happened. We have monthly listening meetings for all
of our volunteers, and just two nights ago, our volunteers
(27:54):
get together and we practice listening with each other because
we all carry things and needs to be processed and
we just try to normalize things, normalize the human experience.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's awesome. Guess what? Running out of time.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I still have a whole lot to talk about, So
if you're willing to come back next week, we can
continue the conversation. If that's okay with you, guys, absolutely
before we wrap this up Part one? What is your
website address?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Someone to tell it to dot org.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's awesome, okay, from someone to tell it to dot org?
I guess have been Michael Gingray, co founder and Keith
Values Officer, Tom Kayden, co founder and co chief Encouragement Officer,
and Andrewe Dickinson. I love it, co chief Encouragement Officer.
Join us for part two of this program.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
You're gonna love it. There's a whole lot of good stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Remember that Insight airs every Sunday on our ten Airy
iHeart stations or anytime. I'm your favorite podcast Stepp. I'm
Sylvia Moss. This has been inside. Thanks so much for listening.
Talk to you next week.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
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childhood cancer and donors are important to us because you
get the feeling that you have a team behind you
when it comes to research and advancements. There are some
things that only we can do because we have the
resources and we have the focus. And so if Saint
ju doesn't do it, who will?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Saint you Children's Research Hospital finding cures, saving children. Learn
more at Saint jud donal arc Hi.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
This is iHeart. Public affairs director and host of Insights
Servi A.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Moss.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Each week on Insight, we address and try to provide
the best local resources for issues that you tell me
are the most important to you, the ones that have
the biggest impact on your everyday lives. Insights also a
place where we can let you know about exciting community
events and introduce you to many of the incredible people
who work hard every single day just to make all
of our lives better. If you're not able to listen
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to Insight when it is on this station each week,
then catch it on your favorite podcast.
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Staff. Thank you for listening.
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