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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jess, Hello, thanks for holding what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi? What's on your mind? What do you want to
talk about? What do you want to get into? How
can we help you.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
One of my coworkers has started greeting me every single
morning with like, hey twin, and I cannot even explain
to the level of irritation it causes me.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hey queen, No, hey twinsy twin, Oh.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
Hey twin, Yeah, okay, how are How aren't you alike?
In what ways are you different?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We're just different in like literally every way. Like I
don't have the same hair as her. I don't even
have the same outfit. I think one time we wore
the same colored shirt. And that's where this is coming from. Yeah,
not the same face, No, not the same vibe, not
any sort of any sort of twentying happening between us.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Wild because like if you say anything in protest, then
you're a jerk, so you have to get a.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I feel like I like, I literally can't just go
like like I'm not I'm not a twin and you're
an ugly match.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
But yet I would come off as slightly mean.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But I don't know, I'm just like slightly losing my mind.
And every day when I come in and she's like, Twin,
where have you been? I lose another piece of myself
And like the worst part is, I know, I know
I can't say anything, like I know I can't be like,
can you please stop calling me that? It feels visually disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know what, It's slang. It doesn't mean that you're
her twin. It's slang maybe like she really likes you
once being a friend. Dutch, my son Dutch tells me
that that's what happens on the basketball team all the time.
Am I right?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, like Haye Twain, Like I get, but it's like
someone that I would be in my feelings, I wouldn't
be if someone is like low key a little busted
and they're like hey, like what do you try to
say about me?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Literally? Literally no.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I feel like if I go pay hey, dude, Hayton, Uh,
what time you guys go to the game, Like, don't
call me dude. I'm not a dude.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's just slam.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It's just like that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, it's like hey, Twin. It's like it's like hey Bessie,
hey girl. Like it's definitely like that. But I can
see I can see.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Where you're literal.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, you're taking it too literal. Like I think she
I think Kyle's right. She probably just wants to be
your friend. She probably thinks you're really cool, really cute,
really fun, and just wants to build that connection.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Meanwhile, Chess is dying inside just a little bit every time.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Every time, I'm just like, I understand the rational part
of me is agreeing with you guys, So like every
time I hear it, it's just like, I like grit
my teeth and I'm just like slowly dying. And honestly,
I'm I'm one hate twin away from filing an HR
complaint from.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Oh, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You just need to write it out and just be
nice to her.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm sure joy when I find ugly people that look
like rich and I take pictures of them together and
I'll say it's richest brother. That's one of my favorite
things to do in the world.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And honestly, the resemblance is kind of close sometimes.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And am I going to say, you know, there was
a guy we used to work with in Tucson and
everyone his name, I don't want to say his name,
but he looked like me. But he was heavier than me,
and he was extremely gay, right remembersay John Jay. He
was and I at one point wanted him to go
he would go out to the place he would get
free meals and stuff, but he died. I know it's sad,
(03:42):
but I love that guy. And I would be like, hey,
can you go here for me?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You would be like, hey, Twin, can you go here?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Hey Twin, Hey Twin, I don't care how flamboy you are.
I need you to be got him appearance of his
place to tell me. You me never that guy.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
He was great, He was precious.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
He was so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Do you remember your friend that you called six scessful
rich Para?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, successfull.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He was great, very successful.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
This guy's way more successful here too. I haven't talked
to him in a while. I'll probably see him this summer. Yeah,
successful rich Para is great.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
You know, just recently and I brought that up, and
my wife's like successful, she.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Wants to meet him.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
She asked so many follow up questions, like she never
does that?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Is he hang out around here?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All right?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Jess, thanks for calling it, Jess, have a great day.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I was.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Peyton's gonna bring something up and I don't know why,
but I have this. Whenever Peyton brings something up, I
want to present this song. I want this to be
like Peyton's theme. Hey, Like I'll be.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Like, hey, Payne's got something.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Illi's place.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well. No, I was scrolling on Instagram and I found
out that gen Z has a new travel vocabulary.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And I was like what.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And it's genius, like micro rotation a short getaway lasting
anywhere from twenty four to seventy two hours, and you
just design it to like fit your everyday life. Then
like an actual big.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Vacation, so we can get away.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
We can get away, but it's a micromike gen Z Millennial.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We can get away.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, okay, we all know room rotting right, like you know,
like no rotting. Oh my gosh. It's like when you
travel but you don't really have like an agenda. Say
like say you go to like a beach town, but
you just want a room rod all day and look
from the beach from your windows.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Okay, yeah, like a vacation room rotting.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Most people go on vacation and then actually get out
of their hotel room to stay in your hotel. I
started that canon event, a spontaneous moment that becomes more
memorable than anything that you actually plan. What is a
canon event.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Canon becomes part of the story of your life, one
of those things that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Happened, but like that you didn't think was gonna happen.
You're talking about at two am. It's like, oh my gosh,
there's no.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Way I need an example. I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
A cannon event would be like a spontaneous moment for them.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Anything you act literally Rich and Stacey running into Travis Kelsey.
They're going to a wedding somewhere and bump into Okay,
so it was there. You were there for something, an event,
and meanwhile it's all about Travis.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
And it could be also that you go somewhere where
they're shooting off cannons event that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, that's that's possible.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The influenced travel choosing destinations that feel personal rather than
places made famous by social media. So you go somewhere
that's like near and dear to your heart, like the
way that you go to Ireland because my name is Ireland.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But you're not doing it for the GRAM.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You're going to You're going on vacation. Because that's where
you want to go on vacation.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Can't can't even consider that, Like, why do we go
somewhere that we can't?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
We can't.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
De influence travel.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What we call normal travel.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Mirror trip, which is a trip planned around your personality
or interest, your identity rather than like a traditional checklist.
So if you like to go thrifting or you like
to do things like that, you will go specifically to
a town where they're known for their thrifting or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Are there towns known for thrifting?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah? Like New York, there's a couple of Like there's
Magazine Street in New Orleans that's huge for thrifting. I'm
sure there's some spots in San Diego, Okay. A y
cation a trip inspired by a feeling or mood rather
than like a specific destination. So it's like I wasn't
looking for a place, I was looking for peace.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So that's like going to mirror Ball or something like that.
You go to get away. There's this other place I've
heard about, Castle Springs, Hot Springs, Yes, Yeah, have you
heard of that place? Yeah? I've talked to two people
recently have been there.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
What do you do? Just jump in the they.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Have like hot spring, but they have stuff that's like
what Peyton's talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, and it's like you either have to like helicopter
in or ride a long time on a dirt road.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, that's funny. That's exactly what was described to me.
And they told me the dirt road drive is miserable.
And you'll see why everyone helicopter's in. I'm like, how
do you just helicopter in? Where do you go get
a They make it seem like it's just a cab service, right,
like where do you go get a helicopter? Just grab
grab a helicopter like an uber. You got a helicopter in.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We have a lot more customers if they put in
a decent road.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well yeah, someday I'll go your ykation.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Local lore hunting so you're exploring the everyday side of
a destination, from the neighborhood markets to local hangout. So
skip the tourist traps. Let's go where the locals go.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That's pretty.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You go to like Paris and you ask a local
where's the spots that I go? And you skip all
the touristy stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay. So the thing is with that that sounds like
something and again people have always done. Now you're just
putting labels on it now. Yeah, Well, because like when
we were in we were as I and we went
to the places. Oh yeah, we we were in Saday.
We were in del Mar a while ago in del
Mar and we're walking or staying around by the place
where at and someone told my wife about a little
place in a neighborhood. They turned a house into a cafe.
(09:17):
Nobody knows about it unless you live in that neighborhood.
And it was passed.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So that's called what.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That is called local lore hunting. This one's my favorite
menty B travel trip. A trip where you go because
you're overwhelmed and desperately need a break. It wasn't like
a vacation, it was just because you had a mental
health too. You have to for your mental health to
go on this trip. Then you have side questing, which
we know it's like you go on another trip. Within
(09:42):
the trip, you have an anti intinerary trip, which is
where you travel with a little to no schedule.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You just move that way. That's my favorite dry.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Tripping, which is choosing rest, nature, meaningful experiences over night life.
So there is your gen Z travel list.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It's very long, Like, you know, do we need all
those terms? No? No, Like are people actually using those terms?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Like people are saying T travel a couple of times?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Okay, the side trip, the side trip?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Would you call that quest? Yeah, it's called yeah side question. Okay.
When I was in college, I went with to my buddies.
We backpacked through Europe and one of the things we
did is you have your home base and then we
go on these day trips. If one of my friends
were gonna go side quest, what are you talking about?
It's like, why are you making names? Is like, we
need names.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
We're doing everything.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I guess, so well, thank you, Peyton Whitmore. He's Peyton's
segment music for John Jay and Rich on one O
four seven Kiss FM.
Jess, Hello, thanks for holding what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi? What's on your mind? What do you want to
talk about? What do you want to get into? How
can we help you.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
One of my coworkers has started greeting me every single
morning with like, hey twin, and I cannot even explain
to the level of irritation it causes me.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hey queen, No, hey twinsy twin, Oh.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
Hey twin, Yeah, okay, how are How aren't you alike?
In what ways are you different?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We're just different in like literally every way. Like I
don't have the same hair as her. I don't even
have the same outfit. I think one time we wore
the same colored shirt. And that's where this is coming from. Yeah,
not the same face, No, not the same vibe, not
any sort of any sort of twentying happening between us.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Wild because like if you say anything in protest, then
you're a jerk, so you have to get a.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I feel like I like, I literally can't just go
like like I'm not I'm not a twin and you're
an ugly match.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
But yet I would come off as slightly mean.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But I don't know, I'm just like slightly losing my mind.
And every day when I come in and she's like, Twin,
where have you been? I lose another piece of myself
And like the worst part is, I know, I know
I can't say anything, like I know I can't be like,
can you please stop calling me that? It feels visually disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know what, It's slang. It doesn't mean that you're
her twin. It's slang maybe like she really likes you
once being a friend. Dutch, my son Dutch tells me
that that's what happens on the basketball team all the time.
Am I right?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, like Haye Twain, Like I get, but it's like
someone that I would be in my feelings, I wouldn't
be if someone is like low key a little busted
and they're like hey, like what do you try to
say about me?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Literally? Literally no.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I feel like if I go pay hey, dude, Hayton, Uh,
what time you guys go to the game, Like, don't
call me dude. I'm not a dude.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's just slam.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It's just like that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, it's like hey, Twin. It's like it's like hey Bessie,
hey girl. Like it's definitely like that. But I can
see I can see.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Where you're literal.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, you're taking it too literal. Like I think she
I think Kyle's right. She probably just wants to be
your friend. She probably thinks you're really cool, really cute,
really fun, and just wants to build that connection.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Meanwhile, Chess is dying inside just a little bit every time.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Every time, I'm just like, I understand the rational part
of me is agreeing with you guys, So like every
time I hear it, it's just like, I like grit
my teeth and I'm just like slowly dying. And honestly,
I'm I'm one hate twin away from filing an HR
complaint from.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Oh, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You just need to write it out and just be
nice to her.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm sure joy when I find ugly people that look
like rich and I take pictures of them together and
I'll say it's richest brother. That's one of my favorite
things to do in the world.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And honestly, the resemblance is kind of close sometimes.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And am I going to say, you know, there was
a guy we used to work with in Tucson and
everyone his name, I don't want to say his name,
but he looked like me. But he was heavier than me,
and he was extremely gay, right remembersay John Jay. He
was and I at one point wanted him to go
he would go out to the place he would get
free meals and stuff, but he died. I know it's sad,
(03:42):
but I love that guy. And I would be like, hey,
can you go here for me?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You would be like, hey, Twin, can you go here?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Hey Twin, Hey Twin, I don't care how flamboy you are.
I need you to be got him appearance of his
place to tell me. You me never that guy.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
He was great, He was precious.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
He was so nice.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Do you remember your friend that you called six scessful
rich Para?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, successfull.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He was great, very successful.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
This guy's way more successful here too. I haven't talked
to him in a while. I'll probably see him this summer. Yeah,
successful rich Para is great.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
You know, just recently and I brought that up, and
my wife's like successful, she.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Wants to meet him.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
She asked so many follow up questions, like she never
does that?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Is he hang out around here?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All right?
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Jess, thanks for calling it, Jess, have a great day.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I was.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Peyton's gonna bring something up and I don't know why,
but I have this. Whenever Peyton brings something up, I
want to present this song. I want this to be
like Peyton's theme. Hey, Like I'll be.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Like, hey, Payne's got something.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Illi's place.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well. No, I was scrolling on Instagram and I found
out that gen Z has a new travel vocabulary.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And I was like what.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And it's genius, like micro rotation a short getaway lasting
anywhere from twenty four to seventy two hours, and you
just design it to like fit your everyday life. Then
like an actual big.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Vacation, so we can get away.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
We can get away, but it's a micromike gen Z Millennial.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We can get away.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, okay, we all know room rotting right, like you know,
like no rotting. Oh my gosh. It's like when you
travel but you don't really have like an agenda. Say
like say you go to like a beach town, but
you just want a room rod all day and look
from the beach from your windows.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Okay, yeah, like a vacation room rotting.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Most people go on vacation and then actually get out
of their hotel room to stay in your hotel. I
started that canon event, a spontaneous moment that becomes more
memorable than anything that you actually plan. What is a
canon event.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Canon becomes part of the story of your life, one
of those things that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Happened, but like that you didn't think was gonna happen.
You're talking about at two am. It's like, oh my gosh,
there's no.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Way I need an example. I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
A cannon event would be like a spontaneous moment for them.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Anything you act literally Rich and Stacey running into Travis Kelsey.
They're going to a wedding somewhere and bump into Okay,
so it was there. You were there for something, an event,
and meanwhile it's all about Travis.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
And it could be also that you go somewhere where
they're shooting off cannons event that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, that's that's possible.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
The influenced travel choosing destinations that feel personal rather than
places made famous by social media. So you go somewhere
that's like near and dear to your heart, like the
way that you go to Ireland because my name is Ireland.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But you're not doing it for the GRAM.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You're going to You're going on vacation. Because that's where
you want to go on vacation.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Can't can't even consider that, Like, why do we go
somewhere that we can't?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
We can't.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
De influence travel.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What we call normal travel.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Mirror trip, which is a trip planned around your personality
or interest, your identity rather than like a traditional checklist.
So if you like to go thrifting or you like
to do things like that, you will go specifically to
a town where they're known for their thrifting or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Are there towns known for thrifting?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah? Like New York, there's a couple of Like there's
Magazine Street in New Orleans that's huge for thrifting. I'm
sure there's some spots in San Diego, Okay. A y
cation a trip inspired by a feeling or mood rather
than like a specific destination. So it's like I wasn't
looking for a place, I was looking for peace.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So that's like going to mirror Ball or something like that.
You go to get away. There's this other place I've
heard about, Castle Springs, Hot Springs, Yes, Yeah, have you
heard of that place? Yeah? I've talked to two people
recently have been there.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
What do you do? Just jump in the they.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Have like hot spring, but they have stuff that's like
what Peyton's talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, and it's like you either have to like helicopter
in or ride a long time on a dirt road.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, that's funny. That's exactly what was described to me.
And they told me the dirt road drive is miserable.
And you'll see why everyone helicopter's in. I'm like, how
do you just helicopter in? Where do you go get
a They make it seem like it's just a cab service, right,
like where do you go get a helicopter? Just grab
grab a helicopter like an uber. You got a helicopter in.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We have a lot more customers if they put in
a decent road.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well yeah, someday I'll go your ykation.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Local lore hunting so you're exploring the everyday side of
a destination, from the neighborhood markets to local hangout. So
skip the tourist traps. Let's go where the locals go.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That's pretty.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You go to like Paris and you ask a local
where's the spots that I go? And you skip all
the touristy stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay. So the thing is with that that sounds like
something and again people have always done. Now you're just
putting labels on it now. Yeah, Well, because like when
we were in we were as I and we went
to the places. Oh yeah, we we were in Saday.
We were in del Mar a while ago in del
Mar and we're walking or staying around by the place
where at and someone told my wife about a little
place in a neighborhood. They turned a house into a cafe.
(09:17):
Nobody knows about it unless you live in that neighborhood.
And it was passed.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So that's called what.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That is called local lore hunting. This one's my favorite
menty B travel trip. A trip where you go because
you're overwhelmed and desperately need a break. It wasn't like
a vacation, it was just because you had a mental
health too. You have to for your mental health to
go on this trip. Then you have side questing, which
we know it's like you go on another trip. Within
(09:42):
the trip, you have an anti intinerary trip, which is
where you travel with a little to no schedule.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You just move that way. That's my favorite dry.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Tripping, which is choosing rest, nature, meaningful experiences over night life.
So there is your gen Z travel list.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It's very long, Like, you know, do we need all
those terms? No? No, Like are people actually using those terms?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Like people are saying T travel a couple of times?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Okay, the side trip, the side trip?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Would you call that quest? Yeah, it's called yeah side question. Okay.
When I was in college, I went with to my buddies.
We backpacked through Europe and one of the things we
did is you have your home base and then we
go on these day trips. If one of my friends
were gonna go side quest, what are you talking about?
It's like, why are you making names? Is like, we
need names.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
We're doing everything.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I guess, so well, thank you, Peyton Whitmore. He's Peyton's
segment music for John Jay and Rich on one O
four seven Kiss FM.
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