October 8, 2024 • 30 mins
Two-time Emmy Award Winning journalist, former anchor of Good Morning America, former co-anchor of “20/20”, and current co-host of "Amy & T.J.", Amy Robach joins me today to share a powerful message during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
We talk about Amy’s surprise on-air diagnosis and how her family supported her through her treatments and recovery. About the power of early detection and all the advances in treatment and outcomes. We implore listeners to be their own best advocates, and encourage you to talk about breast health. Normalize it. And go get those mammograms! ~ Delilah
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
How many pumpkin spice lattes have you enjoyed since October arrived.
I'm not much of a coffee drinker myself, but I
gotta say a pumpkin spice latte seems like it's an
autumn requirement, just like pulling out my favorite sweater in
the boots that have been hiding in the back of
my closet all summer. September was still a little too warm.
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But now that October has arrived and with it the
misty mornings where I live in cooler evenings. Oh, I
am all about the fall traditions. For nearly forty years now,
October has been recognized as Breast Cancer Awareness Month. That's
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the tradition we're going to speak about today. Many incredible
advancements in detection and treatment have been made over these
past forty years, and I have a very special guests
to talk about those from a very personal perspective. Emmy
Robac is a two time Emmy Award winning journalist covering
the latest headlines for nearly three decades now. Most recently,
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she was the co anchor of ABC News GMA three
What You Need to Know, and was previously the news
anchor for Good Morning America and the co anchor of
ABC News twenty twenty. Amy has interviewed ah so many
newsmakers over the year's countless numbers. She has had exclusive
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headline making interviews with the likes of Hunter Biden, New
York Governor Andrew Cuomo, the Turpin Sisters, Tanya Harding and
Monica Lewinski, covered major national and global news events. She
was the first television journalist to ever report live from
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the Galapagos Islands and went to Iceland with the world's
most elite ice climbers. She went to Tanzania on the
poaching epidemic and its impact across the globe. In twenty fifteen,
Amy wrote a New York Times bestseller titled Better, How
I Let Go of Control, held onto hope and found
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Joy in My Darkest Hour, about her unexpected journey with
breast cancer after being diagnosed following an on air mammogram
on GMA. After her recovery, Amy has devoted much of
her free time to fitness and adventure. She's a five
time marathoner as well as an avid mountain climber. Her
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most recent adventure is her new podcast, Amy and TJ,
where she hosts and shares an executive production role with
TJ Holmes. They make a formidable broadcasting team with decades
of experience delivering headline news, use and captivating viewers nationwide.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
The duo will.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
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so smart and so on point, Amy Roebuck. Amy, your
interviews that I have seen you are always so on point,
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Like how do you stay that laser focused.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You're very sweet, Delilah. Thank you so much. I'm so
in awe of being with you today. By the way,
I just want to point that out. I have loved you.
I have listened to you for as long as I
can remember, So it's an honor to be here with
you today. I do my homework, I do my research,
and I actually love learning. I'm always curious, I'm always
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wanting to know more. So it's it actually hasn't felt
like work almost three decades now. It's always just been
doing what I love. I think you can understand that.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh yeah, I love learning and I love being curious,
but I couldn't stay in your interviews. You are laser focused.
You're like a surgeon. You're like going for that. I
am going to get to that jugular thing, right. You're
not gonna throw me off, because a lot of the
people I've seen your interview kind of try to throw
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you off the tough questions.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Don't They always try to do that. It's always about
anticipating what they might say. But I feel like if
you've done enough interviews, you've learned asking the first question
is usually the obvious thing. It's about the follow up,
So you really have to listen to what they're saying
to call them on it when they're trying to divert
you or distract you or not answer your questquestion. And
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that is, to me, the thing that I focused most on,
And you know how I learned it from. I watched
Diane Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
She was the best.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He is the queen of the follow up. And sometimes
it was the most simple follow up, like really, she
would just tilt her head and just say things like
huh and allow the silence people need to fill it. Yeah,
knew how to call people on something without making them
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feel stupid, but they felt the need to respond. And
I watched her do what she did, and she was
brilliant at it, and I always aspire to be more
like her.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, I have purposefully in my career and in my
show tried to avoid anything political or anything divisive. People
can can watch you or they can get that all
day long, and at night, you know, they kind of
need to relax and unwind and unburden. But there was
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one time where somebody who's very political wanted to be
on my show, requested to be on my show, and
I'm not going to name any names. But I'm like, okay,
but understand, there is not going to be any political conversation.
If you want to be a guest, I'm going to
be talking about matters of the heart. I'm going to
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be talking about your relationships, okay. And every time I
would ask a question, she would say, I'm so glad
you asked that question, Delilah, and then she would bring
in this big old political diatrap of nonsense, of gobbledegoop,
and I'm like, I just want to know, like, did
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you take your daughter to work on take your daughter
to work day?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And I'm like, can you share a favorite memory you
have with your baby girl when she was little? I'm
glad you ask that question? And then boom, you know,
I want to talk about house build number, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What, isn't that so patronizing? Though I always look, some
people are more willing than others to be authentic, and
I always knew when people weren't willing to be they
were going to sink themselves. I didn't have an agenda,
but they did. And I do think when people come
in with agendas it ends up undoing them because people
are smarter than I think some of these folks give
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them credit for. People can recognize authenticity, they can recognize manipulation.
So sometimes you just let people, for lack of a
better term, hang themselves. I don't need to do anything,
I don't need to yell, I don't need to do
a gotcha. It's just let people show.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Their true colors.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, in that particular instance, what was a twenty minute
interview was edited down to like two minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I'm not going to give you the platform, no.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
No, And it's turned out to be a conversation about
carving pumpkins is what it turned in, which was very sweet.
But we are going to be authentic today and we're
going to talk about boobies.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, about them for a while now, and we're.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Gonna make you you, you know what you did by
being so courageous as to have the mammogram and let
people know publicly, you know, on the show, you made
it okay to talk about something that My grandma was
diagnosed with breast cancer when I was a teenager, a
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young adult, and my program director said, you have to
call it women's cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's awful.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
If you're going to mention her on the air, or
if somebody calls in your show and is struggling, you
have to call it women's cancer. We don't want to
use the word breast.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
On the air. That's almost unthinkable now. But that's where
we are coming from, and that's how much ground we
have to make up, and that's why we are where
we are, I believe.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So when you decided to take this on, I'm sure
you weren't thinking at the time. I know you weren't
thinking at the time that it was going to bring
about the diagnosis that you got. How old were you
when you were diagnosed?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I was forty and I actually was approached to do
this for a work assignment for Good Morning America. I
worked for them at the time. I was actually a
brand new reporter there and they knew my age and
at that point, thankfully we've come back to this. It's
been ten years of women getting confusing headlines about when
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they should have their baseline mammogram. But at the time,
it was forty and so I had just turned forty
and they thought, ah, perfect, We'll have Amy go do
this mammogram in a Mamma van in the middle of
Times Square to show women that it's not that scary.
It's not that painful, and it can be quick and easy,
and it saves lives. So I thought I was doing
a service for other women. At the time, I had
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all of my grandparents alive. My mom's one of nine,
my dad's one of six Catholic Midwestern families, and no
one in my family had breast cancer, not all the cousins,
I had, all the aunt no one. So I completely
thought that I was invincible to an extent because my
grandparents were in their nineties. I was feeling good and.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You hadn't noticed a lump, you hadn't done any self detection.
You were just going in there, going I'm doing my job.
I'm helping other women. I'm doing a public service. I'm
breaking ground here, doing something a little bit bold to
show women that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
This is good exactly. And I was nervous. I said
no at first because I actually felt like I would
be As much as I love authenticity, I felt like
maybe it was an authentic of me to do this
because I thought, I don't have a connection to this disease.
This isn't a cause I was fighting for or something
I was thinking of. So I went into Robin Roberts,
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who was and is a breast cancer thriver. And I
actually went to her and I said, hey, I don't
know that I'm the right person for this because I
have no connection to this disease. And she said to me,
if you walk into that mammothan and you get that
mammogram on live national television, you will save a life.
You will convince a woman who was dragging her feet
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wanting to postpone this to go ahead and make her appointment,
and she will make it, and she will find her
breast cancer and you will save her life.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And you had no idea it was going to be
me that it was going to be I don't know
what your faith is. I'm guessing if your big miss
midwestern Catholic family, you were raised with people with very
strong faith. But you gotta know that was the divine saying, Okay,
how am I going to get Amy to get in
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and get this exam because she needs it. I know,
let's have her do it on national TV.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's amazing because I had been at NBC. I was
on the Today Show. I loved that show. Things happened
where I felt like I had to leave, and I
was already in kind of a tailspin to be at
a new network, reinventing my career, learning new things, and
when that happened, when I got that diagnosis a few
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weeks later, that that mammogram and that Mamma Van led
to a ultimately a stage two invasive breast cancer diagnosis.
I mean this cancer. I had two tumors and one
the cancer had already spread to my lympnoes. I'm thinking here,
I am like a runner, a healthy young woman with
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no history of breast cancer. To have that diagnosis was shocking,
to say the very least. But I also absolutely said,
holy crap, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be when
I'm supposed to be here, and when you start to
doubt where you are a good, bad, ugly sad. I
really believe, after having been in that position, that were
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exactly where we need to be and I needed to
be in that Mamma Van in the middle of Times
Square working for Good Morning America that morning.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah that was orchestrated. Yeah, okay, question here, because you
know my mind is all about relationships. Who's the first
person you called after you got the diagnosis?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
My mom, my mom, of course, And I could barely talk.
I was alone when I got the diagnosis, so I
immediately called her, and she will tell you. She's told
me she had a bad feeling. And the moment the
phone rang, it was as if she knew. And all
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I could blurt out was, Mom, I have breast cancer.
And her response was, Dad, and I are getting on
a flight right now. They lived in Atlanta. I lived
in New York and my parents were at my apartment
by eight pm that evening, and they didn't leave for
eight months. They actually moved in and in a New
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York City apartment. If you haven't lived here, you'll know
that they aren't exactly large. We made it work, and
thank God for them, Thank God for them because me
going to work and me going to treatment, I was
able to do all of that only because of their
generosity and their sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, when you know this, when your mom, it's not
a sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, it's what you do. Yeah, I know that, it's
what you do.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So you mentioned earlier, and this is true with me
because I got my first one at forty, my first
mamma grandma at forty. I went back at forty two,
I missed a year, went back at forty two and
they're like, oh, no, we don't do them until fifty now.
And I'm like what and they said, yeah, no, your
insurance won't cover it. They've changed that. And then when
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I went back in at fifty, my doctor Margaret said,
why have you not been getting these? And I said, ah,
because when I showed up to sign up for mine,
they told me not until fifty. She's like, oh, yeah,
they did change that. Well, let's back to forty now.
So was that all about money? I mean, I know
you probably can't answer that, but that had to have been.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I will absolutely answer it. I am on a soapbox
here about this because I've never been more frustrated seeing
them confuse everyone. And by the way, who wants to
go get a mamm or grammar? No one. So if
you tell me I can wait until I'm fifty, I'm
waiting until I'm fifty. I mean, my brother's a physician
and he might have another opinion, but I'm a busy woman.
How many women are busy taking care of other people
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in their lives and putting food on the table. So yeah,
if you tell me I can wait, I'm going to wait.
But my cancer was actually they it was a slow
growing it was an estrogen positive cancer. But they say
that I had gotten it absolutely in my thirties, and
thank god I caught it when I did.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So if you had waited, if you if you had
gone in and they had said, oh, no, we're not
doing them, we're not doing baseline up four. Do we
do baseline at fifty? I wouldn't be having this conversation
with you because you would be dead.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I would one hundred percent. And I have two girlfriends
who were initially diagnosed in one at twenty eight with
stage four metastatic. You know, she is seven years in
her journey now and she's fighting for her life every day.
And I lost one of my other best friends last Thanksgiving.
She was diagnosed around the same time as me. And
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you know, early detection saves lives. The earlier you find
your cancer, the better chance you have at surviving it
period period. So why we're telling women to wait until
they're fifty. There's no other reason, Delilah, other than money.
And then they like to claim, oh, we don't want
to cause unnecessary stress and unnecessary tests and causing anxiety.
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You know what's anxious for women? You know what's really
tough to handle a cancer diagnosis when you're told you're
stage four your metastatics. So I just say I'll take
a little bit of worry saying I have to come
in for a follow up or have a even a
biopsy if that means that I can find my cancer
early enough to treat it to survive. So I just
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called BS on anything other than money being the reason
why we're telling women to wait, or to confuse them,
or to tell them every other year, why wouldn't we
have the only test right now? And it's not perfect
because the mammogram I had only detected one tumor, the
mri I had only detected one tumor, the sonogram I
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had only detected one tumor. It was only through a
double mistectomy that they found the second tumor on my
chest wall and found that my other breast tissue had
was filled with pre cancerous tissues. So it's not a
perfect science, And so why wouldn't we give the women
we love it our lives the most and the best
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opportunity to live as long as possible.
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one thing that I read that uh resonated with me,
and that is this isn't your grandmother's breast cancer. That
there's been so many advancements and yet it's not a
perfect science. But can you can you talk about that
a little bit because in my circle it's epidemic.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, it is one in eight women in their lifetime,
we'll have breast cancer in this country. Every two minutes
a woman is diagnosed with breast cancer. And here's the
really scary statistic. It isn't your grandmother's cancer in that
more women under the age of fifty at an exponential
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rate are being diagnosed with breast cancer. And the earlier
you get that diagnosis, the more likely it is an
aggressive form. So we have a lot of things we're
dealing with and we don't fully understand. Scientists don't, but
we do, and we have made incredible progress in how
we treat and target these cancers. So even the chemo
I got eleven years ago was targeted in a way
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that if I had gotten my cancer five years earlier,
I would have been They call it carpet bomb and
really just dragged through the mud. It wasn't easy going
through the chemo I went through, but at least it
was more targeted, and now even now I've got my
girlfriend who is getting immunotherapy along with chemo therapy, and
so we can really the advancements in drugs and options
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and treatments is huge. However, we are still not there.
We don't have a cure for this insidious disease. We
can't stop stage four metastatic breast cancer. It will end
up killing these women. And what we want to get
to is where this is a chronic disease where we
can treat it, and we're getting close, but we need funding,
we need support, we need awareness, and we really need
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women in this month to take their health seriously, to
be advocates for themselves, and to not let fear stop
them from making those appointments, because a lot of women
Delilah don't make those mammogram appointments, and I fear I
would have been one of them had I not been
assigned this and just put it off and thought, Eh,
what are the chances at the age of forty, I
had a one percent chance of having breast cancer. I'm
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a logical person, so I was like, why would I
go do this? We need to make women aware that
it can happen to you, if you are a woman
and you're getting older, you have a chance of getting
breast cancer.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And if you are un certain demographics, you have a
much higher chance of getting breast cancer. The rates are
so much higher for women of color. So, like you said,
you were one percent and yet you had it. We
need to be proactive to our daughters and our sisters
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and our friends who are in other communities and other demographics,
because they're at an even higher risk than we are.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Tlila, you just hit on such an important point. Access
is everything. Access to getting the diagnosis and access to
treatment to huge things. And yes, scientists are studying right
now from a genetic standpoint, if women of color, if
black women specifically, who are dying at a much higher rate,
who tend to get that triple negative, more aggressive form
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of breast cancer, why this is happening in those communities.
And then yes, more importantly, what can we handle? What
can we treat? We can treat the accessibility to quality
healthcare for women around the world, and that comes with funding,
That comes with people will to put their money where
their mouth is. And I've always said this, there was
a cure for cancer, it's called cash. We need in
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this month to remember not only as women to take
care of ourselves, but everybody who's listening to this. You
can give. You can volunteer if you don't have the money,
but if you have any extra money, if you can
give to causes who you support and believe in. It's
about research, it's about funding, and it's about access. For
so many of these women don't have quality health care
available to them, and that is a tragedy that compounds
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a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And what you just want to touch on something you
just said where you said you can volunteer. You had
your mom that you said came and moved in and
made the choice to make your health a priority. There
are so many women who don't have a mom to
do that, and yet they've got kids or grandkids or
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jobs or careers or whatever, and they don't have a
ride somebody to take them to their to their chemotherapy,
to their surgery, somebody to let them, you know, come
home with them after their surgery and care for them.
There are so many ways we can proactively show up.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Just show up one hundred percent, and wherever you live,
I guarantee you there is a charity, There is an
organization that is there and willing to help in all
the ways you just mentioned, and so all you have
to do is a Google search and you can find
a way to help.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And even if you do have the cash, especially if
you do have the cash, you know, your arms, your legs,
you can you can drive somebody to their appointments. You
can say you know what I will you know, make
sure that while you're in your appointment, your child is
here in the doctor's office being entertained. I'll play Uno
with them. I'll sit here and play skip Bo with
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them for hours, if that's what it takes. If you
don't know where to start, you can google if you
if you don't know how to do that, like you
don't even know where to start art, talk to somebody
who's gone through it and say, how could I have
helped you? Or what did you need? Did you need meals?
Do meal prep make two weeks worth of meals for
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your sister who's just gone through surgery.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
There's so many ways we can say I love you,
so many ways we can say I love you to
your best friend or a complete stranger who's going through
that darkness and needs a beacon of light.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You just said it perfectly. We all can do our part, Delilah,
so thank you so much. On behalf of all the
women out there, and men get breast cancer too. We
should definitely point out that if you have breast tissue,
you could get breast cancer. So I appreciate your focus
on this. It's an important topic and something that we
can all remember. We can do our part in helping others.
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So thank you, Delilah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I got to honor my friend Lacy.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We just lost her.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Our service was just a few weeks ago. Never met
anyone in my life who fought so hard, fought so
hard and ultimately won the victory because of her faith,
but left two beautiful kids. And we all know a Lacey.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
We do. You know, if I'm having a bad day,
any of us have a tough day. The little things
can get us wound up. But when you remember how
how the people who we look up to lived, you know,
that's how you beat cancer, right, That's what they say,
it's how you live, and that's how you beat it
because you show other people how to live, how to live.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
How to live fully? And man, do you live fully? Girl?
Have you really been in five marathons? And now you're
a mountain climber.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I'm about to run my sixth in Chicago October thirteenth,
I will be running my sixth marathon. And yeah, I've
climbed a couple of big mountains and I have more
in my future.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, you are beautiful and you are stronger than you think.
And I love Robin Robertson when she said, you know,
if you go into that van and get the mammogram,
you're going to save at least one life. I would
suspect that you have helped to save many just through
your passionate advocacy, of knowing, of caring, of caring enough
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to do the hard things.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Thank you, Thank you, God, bless you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh it's been a pleasure and an honor. Thank you, Delilah.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Understanding your breast health is the first step in being
breast aware and knowing your body so you can proactively
advocate for yourself when you sense that something is not
quite right. There are steps every person can take to
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me on Love Someone Today is the incredibly beautiful and
so smart and so on point, Amy Roebuck. Amy, your
interviews that I have seen you are always so on point,
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Like how do you stay that laser focused.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You're very sweet, Delilah. Thank you so much. I'm so
in awe of being with you today. By the way,
I just want to point that out. I have loved you.
I have listened to you for as long as I
can remember, So it's an honor to be here with
you today. I do my homework, I do my research,
and I actually love learning. I'm always curious, I'm always
(06:05):
wanting to know more. So it's it actually hasn't felt
like work almost three decades now. It's always just been
doing what I love. I think you can understand that.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh yeah, I love learning and I love being curious,
but I couldn't stay in your interviews. You are laser focused.
You're like a surgeon. You're like going for that. I
am going to get to that jugular thing, right. You're
not gonna throw me off, because a lot of the
people I've seen your interview kind of try to throw
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you off the tough questions.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Don't They always try to do that. It's always about
anticipating what they might say. But I feel like if
you've done enough interviews, you've learned asking the first question
is usually the obvious thing. It's about the follow up,
So you really have to listen to what they're saying
to call them on it when they're trying to divert
you or distract you or not answer your questquestion. And
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that is, to me, the thing that I focused most on,
And you know how I learned it from. I watched
Diane Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
She was the best.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He is the queen of the follow up. And sometimes
it was the most simple follow up, like really, she
would just tilt her head and just say things like
huh and allow the silence people need to fill it. Yeah,
knew how to call people on something without making them
(07:33):
feel stupid, but they felt the need to respond. And
I watched her do what she did, and she was
brilliant at it, and I always aspire to be more
like her.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, I have purposefully in my career and in my
show tried to avoid anything political or anything divisive. People
can can watch you or they can get that all
day long, and at night, you know, they kind of
need to relax and unwind and unburden. But there was
(08:06):
one time where somebody who's very political wanted to be
on my show, requested to be on my show, and
I'm not going to name any names. But I'm like, okay,
but understand, there is not going to be any political conversation.
If you want to be a guest, I'm going to
be talking about matters of the heart. I'm going to
(08:27):
be talking about your relationships, okay. And every time I
would ask a question, she would say, I'm so glad
you asked that question, Delilah, and then she would bring
in this big old political diatrap of nonsense, of gobbledegoop,
and I'm like, I just want to know, like, did
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you take your daughter to work on take your daughter
to work day?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And I'm like, can you share a favorite memory you
have with your baby girl when she was little? I'm
glad you ask that question? And then boom, you know,
I want to talk about house build number, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What, isn't that so patronizing? Though I always look, some
people are more willing than others to be authentic, and
I always knew when people weren't willing to be they
were going to sink themselves. I didn't have an agenda,
but they did. And I do think when people come
in with agendas it ends up undoing them because people
are smarter than I think some of these folks give
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them credit for. People can recognize authenticity, they can recognize manipulation.
So sometimes you just let people, for lack of a
better term, hang themselves. I don't need to do anything,
I don't need to yell, I don't need to do
a gotcha. It's just let people show.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Their true colors.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, in that particular instance, what was a twenty minute
interview was edited down to like two minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I'm not going to give you the platform, no.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
No, And it's turned out to be a conversation about
carving pumpkins is what it turned in, which was very sweet.
But we are going to be authentic today and we're
going to talk about boobies.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, about them for a while now, and we're.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Gonna make you you, you know what you did by
being so courageous as to have the mammogram and let
people know publicly, you know, on the show, you made
it okay to talk about something that My grandma was
diagnosed with breast cancer when I was a teenager, a
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young adult, and my program director said, you have to
call it women's cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's awful.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
If you're going to mention her on the air, or
if somebody calls in your show and is struggling, you
have to call it women's cancer. We don't want to
use the word breast.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
On the air. That's almost unthinkable now. But that's where
we are coming from, and that's how much ground we
have to make up, and that's why we are where
we are, I believe.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So when you decided to take this on, I'm sure
you weren't thinking at the time. I know you weren't
thinking at the time that it was going to bring
about the diagnosis that you got. How old were you
when you were diagnosed?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I was forty and I actually was approached to do
this for a work assignment for Good Morning America. I
worked for them at the time. I was actually a
brand new reporter there and they knew my age and
at that point, thankfully we've come back to this. It's
been ten years of women getting confusing headlines about when
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they should have their baseline mammogram. But at the time,
it was forty and so I had just turned forty
and they thought, ah, perfect, We'll have Amy go do
this mammogram in a Mamma van in the middle of
Times Square to show women that it's not that scary.
It's not that painful, and it can be quick and easy,
and it saves lives. So I thought I was doing
a service for other women. At the time, I had
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all of my grandparents alive. My mom's one of nine,
my dad's one of six Catholic Midwestern families, and no
one in my family had breast cancer, not all the cousins,
I had, all the aunt no one. So I completely
thought that I was invincible to an extent because my
grandparents were in their nineties. I was feeling good and.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
You hadn't noticed a lump, you hadn't done any self detection.
You were just going in there, going I'm doing my job.
I'm helping other women. I'm doing a public service. I'm
breaking ground here, doing something a little bit bold to
show women that.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
This is good exactly. And I was nervous. I said
no at first because I actually felt like I would
be As much as I love authenticity, I felt like
maybe it was an authentic of me to do this
because I thought, I don't have a connection to this disease.
This isn't a cause I was fighting for or something
I was thinking of. So I went into Robin Roberts,
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who was and is a breast cancer thriver. And I
actually went to her and I said, hey, I don't
know that I'm the right person for this because I
have no connection to this disease. And she said to me,
if you walk into that mammothan and you get that
mammogram on live national television, you will save a life.
You will convince a woman who was dragging her feet
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wanting to postpone this to go ahead and make her appointment,
and she will make it, and she will find her
breast cancer and you will save her life.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And you had no idea it was going to be
me that it was going to be I don't know
what your faith is. I'm guessing if your big miss
midwestern Catholic family, you were raised with people with very
strong faith. But you gotta know that was the divine saying, Okay,
how am I going to get Amy to get in
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and get this exam because she needs it. I know,
let's have her do it on national TV.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's amazing because I had been at NBC. I was
on the Today Show. I loved that show. Things happened
where I felt like I had to leave, and I
was already in kind of a tailspin to be at
a new network, reinventing my career, learning new things, and
when that happened, when I got that diagnosis a few
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weeks later, that that mammogram and that Mamma Van led
to a ultimately a stage two invasive breast cancer diagnosis.
I mean this cancer. I had two tumors and one
the cancer had already spread to my lympnoes. I'm thinking here,
I am like a runner, a healthy young woman with
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no history of breast cancer. To have that diagnosis was shocking,
to say the very least. But I also absolutely said,
holy crap, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be when
I'm supposed to be here, and when you start to
doubt where you are a good, bad, ugly sad. I
really believe, after having been in that position, that were
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exactly where we need to be and I needed to
be in that Mamma Van in the middle of Times
Square working for Good Morning America that morning.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah that was orchestrated. Yeah, okay, question here, because you
know my mind is all about relationships. Who's the first
person you called after you got the diagnosis?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
My mom, my mom, of course, And I could barely talk.
I was alone when I got the diagnosis, so I
immediately called her, and she will tell you. She's told
me she had a bad feeling. And the moment the
phone rang, it was as if she knew. And all
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I could blurt out was, Mom, I have breast cancer.
And her response was, Dad, and I are getting on
a flight right now. They lived in Atlanta. I lived
in New York and my parents were at my apartment
by eight pm that evening, and they didn't leave for
eight months. They actually moved in and in a New
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York City apartment. If you haven't lived here, you'll know
that they aren't exactly large. We made it work, and
thank God for them, Thank God for them because me
going to work and me going to treatment, I was
able to do all of that only because of their
generosity and their sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, when you know this, when your mom, it's not
a sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, it's what you do. Yeah, I know that, it's
what you do.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So you mentioned earlier, and this is true with me
because I got my first one at forty, my first
mamma grandma at forty. I went back at forty two,
I missed a year, went back at forty two and
they're like, oh, no, we don't do them until fifty now.
And I'm like what and they said, yeah, no, your
insurance won't cover it. They've changed that. And then when
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I went back in at fifty, my doctor Margaret said,
why have you not been getting these? And I said, ah,
because when I showed up to sign up for mine,
they told me not until fifty. She's like, oh, yeah,
they did change that. Well, let's back to forty now.
So was that all about money? I mean, I know
you probably can't answer that, but that had to have been.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I will absolutely answer it. I am on a soapbox
here about this because I've never been more frustrated seeing
them confuse everyone. And by the way, who wants to
go get a mamm or grammar? No one. So if
you tell me I can wait until I'm fifty, I'm
waiting until I'm fifty. I mean, my brother's a physician
and he might have another opinion, but I'm a busy woman.
How many women are busy taking care of other people
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in their lives and putting food on the table. So yeah,
if you tell me I can wait, I'm going to wait.
But my cancer was actually they it was a slow
growing it was an estrogen positive cancer. But they say
that I had gotten it absolutely in my thirties, and
thank god I caught it when I did.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So if you had waited, if you if you had
gone in and they had said, oh, no, we're not
doing them, we're not doing baseline up four. Do we
do baseline at fifty? I wouldn't be having this conversation
with you because you would be dead.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I would one hundred percent. And I have two girlfriends
who were initially diagnosed in one at twenty eight with
stage four metastatic. You know, she is seven years in
her journey now and she's fighting for her life every day.
And I lost one of my other best friends last Thanksgiving.
She was diagnosed around the same time as me. And
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you know, early detection saves lives. The earlier you find
your cancer, the better chance you have at surviving it
period period. So why we're telling women to wait until
they're fifty. There's no other reason, Delilah, other than money.
And then they like to claim, oh, we don't want
to cause unnecessary stress and unnecessary tests and causing anxiety.
(19:01):
You know what's anxious for women? You know what's really
tough to handle a cancer diagnosis when you're told you're
stage four your metastatics. So I just say I'll take
a little bit of worry saying I have to come
in for a follow up or have a even a
biopsy if that means that I can find my cancer
early enough to treat it to survive. So I just
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called BS on anything other than money being the reason
why we're telling women to wait, or to confuse them,
or to tell them every other year, why wouldn't we
have the only test right now? And it's not perfect
because the mammogram I had only detected one tumor, the
mri I had only detected one tumor, the sonogram I
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had only detected one tumor. It was only through a
double mistectomy that they found the second tumor on my
chest wall and found that my other breast tissue had
was filled with pre cancerous tissues. So it's not a
perfect science, And so why wouldn't we give the women
we love it our lives the most and the best
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opportunity to live as long as possible.
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one thing that I read that uh resonated with me,
and that is this isn't your grandmother's breast cancer. That
there's been so many advancements and yet it's not a
perfect science. But can you can you talk about that
a little bit because in my circle it's epidemic.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, it is one in eight women in their lifetime,
we'll have breast cancer in this country. Every two minutes
a woman is diagnosed with breast cancer. And here's the
really scary statistic. It isn't your grandmother's cancer in that
more women under the age of fifty at an exponential
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rate are being diagnosed with breast cancer. And the earlier
you get that diagnosis, the more likely it is an
aggressive form. So we have a lot of things we're
dealing with and we don't fully understand. Scientists don't, but
we do, and we have made incredible progress in how
we treat and target these cancers. So even the chemo
I got eleven years ago was targeted in a way
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that if I had gotten my cancer five years earlier,
I would have been They call it carpet bomb and
really just dragged through the mud. It wasn't easy going
through the chemo I went through, but at least it
was more targeted, and now even now I've got my
girlfriend who is getting immunotherapy along with chemo therapy, and
so we can really the advancements in drugs and options
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and treatments is huge. However, we are still not there.
We don't have a cure for this insidious disease. We
can't stop stage four metastatic breast cancer. It will end
up killing these women. And what we want to get
to is where this is a chronic disease where we
can treat it, and we're getting close, but we need funding,
we need support, we need awareness, and we really need
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women in this month to take their health seriously, to
be advocates for themselves, and to not let fear stop
them from making those appointments, because a lot of women
Delilah don't make those mammogram appointments, and I fear I
would have been one of them had I not been
assigned this and just put it off and thought, Eh,
what are the chances at the age of forty, I
had a one percent chance of having breast cancer. I'm
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a logical person, so I was like, why would I
go do this? We need to make women aware that
it can happen to you, if you are a woman
and you're getting older, you have a chance of getting
breast cancer.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And if you are un certain demographics, you have a
much higher chance of getting breast cancer. The rates are
so much higher for women of color. So, like you said,
you were one percent and yet you had it. We
need to be proactive to our daughters and our sisters
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and our friends who are in other communities and other demographics,
because they're at an even higher risk than we are.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Tlila, you just hit on such an important point. Access
is everything. Access to getting the diagnosis and access to
treatment to huge things. And yes, scientists are studying right
now from a genetic standpoint, if women of color, if
black women specifically, who are dying at a much higher rate,
who tend to get that triple negative, more aggressive form
(24:44):
of breast cancer, why this is happening in those communities.
And then yes, more importantly, what can we handle? What
can we treat? We can treat the accessibility to quality
healthcare for women around the world, and that comes with funding,
That comes with people will to put their money where
their mouth is. And I've always said this, there was
a cure for cancer, it's called cash. We need in
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this month to remember not only as women to take
care of ourselves, but everybody who's listening to this. You
can give. You can volunteer if you don't have the money,
but if you have any extra money, if you can
give to causes who you support and believe in. It's
about research, it's about funding, and it's about access. For
so many of these women don't have quality health care
available to them, and that is a tragedy that compounds
(25:29):
a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And what you just want to touch on something you
just said where you said you can volunteer. You had
your mom that you said came and moved in and
made the choice to make your health a priority. There
are so many women who don't have a mom to
do that, and yet they've got kids or grandkids or
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jobs or careers or whatever, and they don't have a
ride somebody to take them to their to their chemotherapy,
to their surgery, somebody to let them, you know, come
home with them after their surgery and care for them.
There are so many ways we can proactively show up.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Just show up one hundred percent, and wherever you live,
I guarantee you there is a charity, There is an
organization that is there and willing to help in all
the ways you just mentioned, and so all you have
to do is a Google search and you can find
a way to help.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And even if you do have the cash, especially if
you do have the cash, you know, your arms, your legs,
you can you can drive somebody to their appointments. You
can say you know what I will you know, make
sure that while you're in your appointment, your child is
here in the doctor's office being entertained. I'll play Uno
with them. I'll sit here and play skip Bo with
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them for hours, if that's what it takes. If you
don't know where to start, you can google if you
if you don't know how to do that, like you
don't even know where to start art, talk to somebody
who's gone through it and say, how could I have
helped you? Or what did you need? Did you need meals?
Do meal prep make two weeks worth of meals for
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your sister who's just gone through surgery.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
There's so many ways we can say I love you,
so many ways we can say I love you to
your best friend or a complete stranger who's going through
that darkness and needs a beacon of light.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You just said it perfectly. We all can do our part, Delilah,
so thank you so much. On behalf of all the
women out there, and men get breast cancer too. We
should definitely point out that if you have breast tissue,
you could get breast cancer. So I appreciate your focus
on this. It's an important topic and something that we
can all remember. We can do our part in helping others.
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So thank you, Delilah.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I got to honor my friend Lacy.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We just lost her.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Our service was just a few weeks ago. Never met
anyone in my life who fought so hard, fought so
hard and ultimately won the victory because of her faith,
but left two beautiful kids. And we all know a Lacey.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
We do. You know, if I'm having a bad day,
any of us have a tough day. The little things
can get us wound up. But when you remember how
how the people who we look up to lived, you know,
that's how you beat cancer, right, That's what they say,
it's how you live, and that's how you beat it
because you show other people how to live, how to live.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
How to live fully? And man, do you live fully? Girl?
Have you really been in five marathons? And now you're
a mountain climber.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I'm about to run my sixth in Chicago October thirteenth,
I will be running my sixth marathon. And yeah, I've
climbed a couple of big mountains and I have more
in my future.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, you are beautiful and you are stronger than you think.
And I love Robin Robertson when she said, you know,
if you go into that van and get the mammogram,
you're going to save at least one life. I would
suspect that you have helped to save many just through
your passionate advocacy, of knowing, of caring, of caring enough
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to do the hard things.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Thank you, Thank you, God, bless you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh it's been a pleasure and an honor. Thank you, Delilah.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Understanding your breast health is the first step in being
breast aware and knowing your body so you can proactively
advocate for yourself when you sense that something is not
quite right. There are steps every person can take to
help the body stay as healthy as possible, like eating
a balanced diet, not smoking, limiting alcohol, and exercising regularly.
(29:59):
And while these ma I have some impact, on your
risk of getting breast cancer. They cannot eliminate the risk
developing breast cancer is not anyone's fault. Ladies, let's talk
about it. Remind your friends to get checked and be
there for one another when the diagnosis comes. I can't
thank Amy enough for joining us today and sharing her
(30:21):
inspiring story. Impactful, inspiring. You can hear even more of
her story by listening to our podcast, Amy and TJ
on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
So go, get a pumpkin spice latte or a chi te.
Pull out the sweaters, pull out the boots, the shearling jackets,
(30:44):
those adorable white brim hats. It's fall y'all, and get
the girls checked out, because loving someone begins with you
Host
Delilah
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