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April 12, 2024 36 mins

How do we stop the spread of antisemitism? To find the answer, we tell the story of the epic conflict between Candace Owens and The Daily Wire. Feuds are often petty, but not this one. It reveals a profound cultural moment...one that, if the right lesson is learned, could help stop the spread hate.

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Before we start the show, I just want to read
a brief statement that we prepared. We denounce anti Semitism
in all its forms, and we stand with our friends.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
In the Jewish community.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
There seems to be an unmistakable conclusion in America we
have an anti Semitism problem. Wherever you drop the needle
on the record of life, the media seems to report
a new surge in this form of hate.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Anti Semitic incidents are on the rise across the US.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
From a Los Angeles highway to an alleged threat to
a New York City synagogue, anti Semitism is spreading.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
Anti Semitic threats are now at historic levels in this country.

Speaker 7 (01:03):
A report by the Anti Defamation League found that in
twenty twenty two, anti Semitic incidents in the United States
rose thirty six percent and all time high.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
With this form of hate persistently spreading throughout America, what
can we do to stop the spread of anti Semitism?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
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Speaker 2 (02:05):
How do we stop the spread of anti Semitism? To
find the answer, We're going to tell the story of
the epic battle between Candice Owens and the Daily Wire.
You may view the feud between this black female conservative
and the upstart streaming network as just another petty squabble,
but you'd be wrong in that assessment. After taking a
deep dive into this conflict, it's hard not to notice

(02:27):
the profound cultural moment it uncovers and the potential solution
it reveals that could help reverse the spread of anti Semitism.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Turf wars are commonplace in American industry. That's why they
are a recurring theme in Hollywood.

Speaker 8 (02:42):
Don Barzini, I want to thank you for having me
organize this meeting today. And also they are the heads
of the five families of New York, New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
In the nineteen seventy two masterpiece film The Godfather, a
turf war breaks out after a rival crime box tries
and fails to knock off the head of the Corleone family,
one of the five mafia families controlling organized crime in
New York City. When the identities of the would be
assassins are discovered, the son Michael Corleone of the targeted
mob boss, comes up with a plan.

Speaker 9 (03:15):
But if Clemenza can figure a way to have a
weapon planet there for they're I'll kill them both.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Clemenza, a high ranking member of the Corleone family, explains
that once Michael kills the assassins, a turf war will
naturally erupt.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
You know, you're going to turn out all right.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
You take a long vacation nobody knows where, and we're
going to catch that help.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
How bad do you think it's going to be pretty
goddamn bed Probably all the other families will line up
against us.

Speaker 9 (03:42):
That's a man. This isn't going to.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Happen every five years or so.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Ten years helps you get rid of the bed blood for.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Ten years is the last.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
From time to time, in real life, like on the
big screen, industry, feuds that develop behind the scenes, bubble
up to the surface into full blown turf wars for
everyone to see, and consum servative media isn't immune to
this natural cycle. My guess is, Andrew Breitbart, where does
this go?

Speaker 10 (04:05):
I mean, what do you want Glenn Beck to do?
Or where do you think this goes? At this point,
I don't care what he does because he's dead. To me,
he's a snake. Everybody in the business knows that he's
a snake. Anyone won't confront me on this.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
David French has had his pictures of his children put
over the faces of people in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.
I mean, horrible stuff. And I don't blame that on
Donald Trump, but I do blame that quite honestly on
Breitbart and the neo wright for Breitbart.

Speaker 11 (04:36):
I can say there are a lot of people inside
and outside Breitbart, who have been the victims of Steve
Bannon's tender mercies when it comes to interpersonal relationships. But
Steve likes to think of himself as the big bear
tearing everybody else down because he's a big power player.

Speaker 10 (04:49):
Big tech isn't bad with big con. The people you thought,
the people I thought were fighting for you, A lot
of it has been a big con.

Speaker 12 (04:58):
All right, our friend Steve. When Crowder it is launched
in an initiative called Stop Big Cohn and a lot
of people who are fans of The Daily Wire were
really offended by the things that Stephen said in the video,
and they're concerned that maybe we're doing the wrong thing.
I feel like Crowder really throws under the bus.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's a simple fact that turf wars are a relatively
common occurrence, typically exposing a rivalry, jealousy, or some type
of business conflict. But every once in a while, a
feud comes along that stands out from the rest. Its
appearance marks a pivotal awakening and exposes a critical flaw
in the structure of an institution, a flaw that most

(05:33):
either didn't know existed or simply avoided addressing. The conflict
between Candice Owans and The Daily Wire is one of
those illuminating family feuds.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
If Candace wants to say those things about the Jews
about Hitler, no matter how she dodges and weaves, she
has to leave The Daily Wire.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
At the beginning of Spring twenty twenty four, Owen's and
The Daily Wire ended a roughly three year business relationship,
and almost immediately after the breakup, The Daily Wire got Biblical.
In the wake of Kandas's departure, political commentator Andrew Claven
gave his take on why the black female conservative powerhouse

(06:17):
was forced to leave the network.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
She has to leave for one reason above every other.
There are lots of reasons, but the one reason she
has to leave about every other is because Christ is King.
We cannot let him be defamed.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Clayman claimed that Candace's use of the term Christ is
King in an exchange with Ben Shapiro crossed the line
into hate speech. This was no small accusation. Andrew Claven
is not only one of the founding hosts of The
Daily Wire, He's also been positioned as a wise, fatherly
conservative figure that possesses a very rare quality. If Christians

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and Jews were mapped out on a vent diagram, he'd
reside in the small overlap because Andrew Claven is an
ethnic Jew that famously converted to Christianity, a story that
he told on Red Pilled America in twenty nineteen. It's
this unique quality that made Claven the perfect vehicle to
deliver the reason why The Daily Wire fired Candace, and

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his explanation appeared designed to end her career in media.
Claven accused Candace of being an anti Semite.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
And no one is fooled except those people who want
to pretend to be fooled because they hate the Jews.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
He accused her of being blasphemous.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
The biggest truth that Candace told in that way again,
and this is not personal animus torture, but I find
difficult to excuse us when anybody doesn't. The truth that
hid wickedness, that I thought was the most wicked truth
to use, was the truth that Christ is king.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And Claven even went as far as to equate Candace's
actions with that of Satan.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Christ is the King, and one day every nee will
bow and recognize it because he's not just my king,
king of the universe. But when you use that phrase
to mean that God has abandoned his chosen people, the Jews,
through whom he came into this world incarnate, and that
he's broken his promises, his covenant.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
With the Jews.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
You are quoting scripture like Satan does in the Bible.
You are quoting scripture to your purposes, and that, to me,
is specifically wicked.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Adding credibility to his attack was Cleven's suggestion that he
plucked her from obscurity.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
In fact, I felt a small investment in her because,
as I have bragged repeatedly of any number of people,
I have a weird knack for spotting broadcast talent. I
spotted Candice when she was on a small YouTube station
doing Blexit stuff, you know, blacks should get out of
the Democrat Party stuff. I invited her on my show
back when we were in the first office we had

(08:54):
in LA I believe I had her on my show.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
She left.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
I walked down the hall Jeremy's office. I was back
before he had the thrown room with the guys with
the spears and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Jeremy Boring the CEO of the Daily Wire.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
I walked down the hall and I said, if you
want to bring a woman into this operation. I just
met her because that's one of the most talented broadcasters
I have ever met.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Andrew Claven took some ownership in the Rise of Candace Owens.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Then the juice stuff started.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Then effectively branded her as a bigoted hitler, sympathizing Satanic
anti Semite. It was one of the harshest criticisms imaginable
of a former colleague, and it wasn't long until others
joined the fray.

Speaker 11 (09:32):
There is an Overton window at The Daily Wire. Obviously
there was a non meeting of the mind. That's pretty
much all I can say on this.

Speaker 9 (09:38):
Jeremy, what did Candace do that she deserved to be fired?

Speaker 12 (09:41):
Well, I'm not going to have a conversation about Candace.
When you run a business, you're not at liberty to
have discussions about people that you fire.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Candas and I were very good friends for a long time.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
In large part I kind of discovered her when she
was known as red Pill Black on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I don't really consider as friends anymore.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Christ Is being that's where you went over the line girl.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
The Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring and the Babylon b
CEO Seth Dyllon suggested Candas's use of the phrase christ
As King was morally wrong. Even anti Semitic and political
activist Christopher Rufo went as far as to claim that
Candace was traveling down an ugly path. It was a
shocking turn of events because Candace Owens was a darling

(10:34):
of the conservative movement. Practically every major right leaning media
outlet in America had latched onto Candas during her meteoric rise,
Fox News, Turning Point, USA, Pray for You, The Daily Wire,
Breitbart News, Dave Rubin, and even the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
All of these organizations at one point or another closely

(10:55):
connected their brands with her rising star. We even launched
Red Pilled America with an episode that featured Candace. But
now some of the same players that capitalized on her
growing celebrity were trying to end her career. What happened,
Why did The Daily Wire and many of their high
profile allies turn on Candace Owens? And what does this

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conflict reveal? To understand what a truly pivotal moment this
was in American media, and how solutions can be extracted
from this conflict that could help stop the spread of
anti Semitism. We have to first take a deep dive
into the paths that brought Candace Owens and The Daily
Wire together and ultimately resulted in a public family feud.

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Red Pilled America. Candice Owen's journey to her pivotal face
off with The Daily Wire was a long time in
the making.

Speaker 13 (12:57):
So I was born in White Plains, New York, but
I was raised in sam Connecticut my entire life.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
We interviewed Candice Owens way back in December twenty seventeen
when she was known as Red Pill Black.

Speaker 9 (13:08):
I grew up sharing a bedroom with my two sisters.

Speaker 13 (13:10):
We lived in a tiny little apartment in the hood
in Stamford, and we had like the exterminator coming, we
had broaches and that sort of a thing. When I
was nine years old was my grandfather and my grandmother
moved us out of that apartment because of the conditions
of it. Into their home, so all eight of us
lived in their middle class house, and I think that

(13:30):
that for me was probably my first introduction to what
today would be considered conservative values. My grandparents are super religious.
My grandfather would get up at the crack of dawn
and make us like a huge Southern breakfast every single morning.
He is probably one of the biggest influences in my life.
Grandfather grew up on a sharecropping farm.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Sharecropping was a common farming system in the post Civil
War South. It was basically a system where a landlord
allows a tenant, often a former slave or poor farmer,
to use a piece of their land in return for
a share of the crops produced on that land.

Speaker 13 (14:04):
This first job was laying out tobacco to dry in
an attic in Fayetteville, North Carolina, when he was five,
and he has never not.

Speaker 9 (14:11):
Had a job.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Candace was expected to work from a young age as well.

Speaker 13 (14:14):
It was very strict, no elbows on the table when
we'd ate. I don't even really understand the significance of that,
but that was a rule. And we would read prayers
every morning. If we didn't say good morning, he wouldn't
put a plate in front of us, despite the fact
that I was ten years old.

Speaker 9 (14:30):
If it doesn't matter how groggy you were.

Speaker 13 (14:32):
He taught us that you say good morning, you sit down,
you read a prayer, and then you're off to school.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
But even with the strict influence of our grandparents, Candace's
household was a bit tumultuous.

Speaker 9 (14:43):
I want to say.

Speaker 13 (14:43):
Around the age of thirteen, my grandparents moved out of
the house into the back of the house, so they
weren't involved in every single day of our lives. It
was like a separate apartment thing that they had built
for themselves. And my parents weren't the greatest examples of
parents that die being too deep into that. But you know,
I had a pretty rough upbringing, and I was a

(15:05):
rough person. I was always a pretty bright student, but
I was definitely considered a troublemaker. But I was constantly
pushing back against institutions, pushing back against my parents. I
was just, you know, always in trouble. I was suspended,
I was getting into fights, that sort.

Speaker 9 (15:22):
Of a thing.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
But fights aside. Candace says she was a star student
in middle school. She tested well well.

Speaker 13 (15:28):
I was always put in predominantly white classes because I
tested very well. So I was always the only or
one of two black people in all of my classes.
So for me, I was dealing with, you know, bullying
by black people when I was in middle school, saying
that I was acting white because I had white friends.

Speaker 9 (15:45):
Who am I going to make friends with? These are
people that are in my classes.

Speaker 8 (15:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Candace was excelling in her studies, but by her senior
year in high school, she got a crash course in
racism as well as the narrative machine.

Speaker 13 (16:01):
My senior year of high school, I received some phone
calls one night from some anonymous voices on the other line,
and the phone.

Speaker 9 (16:09):
Calls were extremely violent.

Speaker 13 (16:11):
We're gonna tar and feather that we're gonna hang you
from a tree, We're gonna put a bullet in the
back of your head like we did to Martin Luther King,
just really volatile, extremely racist voicemails. And it came from
a block number. And the worst thing that can happen
to you at that age, you're not even a person yet,
is to receive these phone calls to rightening your life.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
It was the first time she'd personally fielded racial slurs.

Speaker 9 (16:32):
It was a terrifying moment.

Speaker 13 (16:34):
I remember just like crying, and I was so confused
because there were like four male voices on the phone.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Initially, Candace says she didn't do anything with the messages.

Speaker 13 (16:43):
I went to school the next day and in a
philosophy class that I was taking, I mentioned it in
something in context of whatever we were reading that day,
and my teacher literally was like, get up right now,
we're going to the principal's office.

Speaker 9 (16:56):
You're going to report this.

Speaker 13 (16:57):
So he literally takes me out of my chair and
we used to go to the principal's office play the
voice smails, and she's horrified, and she makes decision to
call the police.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Candice would eventually learn that one of the kids on
the call was the son of the then Democrat mayor
of Stamford, Daniel Molloy. Lloyd would later become the governor
of Connecticut. The political connection made the story go nuclear.

Speaker 9 (17:18):
So I woke up the next day and my entire
life had changed.

Speaker 13 (17:21):
I was on the front page of every newspaper throughout
the state of Connecticut. FBI got involved because it was
a politician, and it just turned into a complete nightmare.

Speaker 9 (17:30):
I ended up dropping out of school for six weeks.

Speaker 13 (17:32):
While the investigation was going on, because I was endoing
with a lot of he said, she said, teachers getting
involved on Oh, she's probably making it up. Obviously I
wasn't making it up. But what particularly stood out for
me in that moment is how politicized it was and
how nobody cared that these were essentially children that had
made a mistake but didn't deserve to have their lives
ruined because of it. And on top of that, the

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NAACP would show up at my school every day because
they wanted to like walk me in and be seen
with me.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
It was a photoot for them.

Speaker 13 (17:59):
They never spoke to me on the phone and never
asked me how I was doing, so that forever destroyed
my relationship and my ideas about what the NAACP was.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Your Deal would eventually blow over, and Candas made her
way to the University of Rhode Island to study journalism.
She attended your I for three years, but in the
wake of the two thousand and eight banking crisis, Candace
ran into a bit of a financial crisis.

Speaker 9 (18:20):
Herself and my loan in my last year.

Speaker 13 (18:23):
Obviously, I don't come from any money, so it was
get loans to go to school where don't go to school.

Speaker 9 (18:27):
My loan it didn't go through.

Speaker 13 (18:28):
And I then had to figure out how I had
one hundred thousand dollars in debt and not a diploma
on to show for it, and I had to figure
out how I was going.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
To make it.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
So after her junior year, she dropped out of URI.

Speaker 13 (18:44):
So I hit the ground running in New York City
and decided the best job for me to take was
a job in finance. I saw it out as an assistant,
went to an executive assistant, worked my way up to
the VP of the administration, and that was just hard work,
and lived in a street smart. Once I had paid
back pretty much all of my student loans, I decided
I wanted to dive into a passion project. I sided

(19:04):
I was going to create Social Autopsy, which was going
to help kids.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Drawing from her traumatic high school experience, she thought she
could make a system that could help kids navigate the
technology that had been thrust on her generation from the
late nineteen nineties on. Teenagers had become human guinea pigs.
In the first iteration of a hyper connected world, kids
found themselves interacting with a digital landscape and online harassment

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was a natural byproduct.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Last year, thirteen year old Megan Meyer hanged herself after
getting emails from a boy she thought had jilted her.
But those emails turned out to be fake. But this
tragedy did turn a spotlight on a dark corner of
teen life, cyberbullying, using the Internet or cell phones to threaten,
spread rumors or postdoctored photographs.

Speaker 7 (19:50):
Now, a fifteen year old girl has been arrested for
sending hundreds of threatening text messages to some classmates.

Speaker 13 (19:56):
In one of those messages, she wrote quote nobody likes you.

Speaker 9 (20:00):
I hate you so much and I hope to cut you.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
According to recent studies, this kind of bullying is on
the rise. By one count as many as one and
three kids as being victimized.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Having went through a form of technology harassment herself, Gandice
thought she could design a system to teach kids that
there were consequences to digital bullying, a valuable lesson that
could be imparted to teenagers before they entered the adult world.
So she came up with the idea of social autopsy,
a system that could be used by educators to track
online harassers so that they could be properly reprimanded without

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ruining their lives.

Speaker 13 (20:34):
And I thought, if kids are not having to navigate technology,
which is a new thing, what if we created a
program that would capture these awful things that they were saying,
and rather than these people receiving punishments that are going
to effectively ruin their lives, we could create a system
of points of like teachers now search this database to

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see if kids are in it.

Speaker 9 (20:55):
And if you're in the database.

Speaker 13 (20:56):
And you did this, like you can't try out for
the football team, which is a much better in my mind.
And I will admit I was totally naive about the internet.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
To raise funding from the public for the project, she
started a Kickstarter campaign.

Speaker 13 (21:13):
The human race has never been more connected. It takes
a nanosecond, a mere push of a button, to share
our ideas, opinions, and emotions across the world instantly. But
for every cat meme your best friend tweets at you,
or for every I miss you comment your Grandma leaves
on your Facebook wall, there are literally thousands of instances

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of hate speech being circulated online. We hadn't built anything.
We had just created like a dry website, test site
that people could go in and put their emails.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Candace says that within less than twenty four hours from
launching the Kickstarter campaign, a woman reached out to her,
and by the end of their interaction, Candace would receive
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Speaker 3 (22:18):
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Speaker 2 (23:12):
Welcome back to red pilled America. So in twenty sixteen,
Candas Owens launched an anti harassment project called Social Autopsy
to help kids navigate the new online world they were experiencing.
Candace says that within less than twenty four hours from
launching the campaign, a woman named Zoe Quinn reached out
to her.

Speaker 13 (23:31):
And she says, like, you know, I am ground zero
for harassment on the internet, and I'd like to take
a call with you if that.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Name isn't familiar. Zoe Quinn was a controversial feminist, activist
and video game developer and was at the time working
with Twitter's anti harassment arm. With tattoos on her fair
skin and hair color that seemed to change hourly. Quinn
gained prominence a few years earlier after she was allegedly
harassed by anonymous online gamers in a controversy that came

(23:59):
to be known as gamergate. Gamergate was basically a culture
war between the video game community and woke feminists that
had infiltrated the industry. Gamers believed video game journalists were
correctly propping up feminist developers like Quinn. She, on the
other hand, claimed that she was being harassed largely because
she was a woman in a male dominated industry. The

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mainstream media, of course picked her side and elevated Quinn
to a feminist icon, but some gamers thought that she
was actually harassing herself for attention. At the time, in
twenty sixteen, Candace had paid very little attention to politics,
so when Zoe Quinn reached out, Candace wasn't aware of
the culture war she was stepping into.

Speaker 13 (24:42):
And I googled her and it's very favorable stuff. It
says that she's been abused on the internet and that
now she's dedicated her life of trying to stop out abuse.
So I'm thinking in my head, like, why wouldn't I
have a conversation with this girl like, there's you know,
a way that we can connect and helpware to stand
what I'm doing and she'll be able to see what
I'm doing.

Speaker 9 (24:58):
So she calls me up.

Speaker 13 (24:59):
I over my number, and the conversation just took an
instantly dark turn.

Speaker 9 (25:04):
She wasn't calling to talking about the project.

Speaker 13 (25:05):
She was calling me to threaten me to end the
project or else, and that she kept saying that she
just knew that these anonymous gamers were going to come
after me on the internet. They were these men that
were misogynists and sexists.

Speaker 9 (25:21):
And they were going to come out them with racism
and all this stuff.

Speaker 13 (25:23):
And so then she moved on and she kept saying,
but she knew that they were going to dox my
family if I did it.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Docs, meaning they'd find her home phone number and address
and publish it online. Candace said that she understood Quinn's concerns,
but she wasn't going to kill the project.

Speaker 13 (25:38):
At this point, she just starts crying and she says,
and I'll never forget this. She says, You're going to
ruin everything, and I went what and she hung up
the phone.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Within two hours of their call, Candace says she was
harassed in exactly the manner that Quinn had warned.

Speaker 9 (25:56):
She really must be a true savant.

Speaker 13 (25:58):
She was able to foreseething that actually happened. We were
not a single threat had we received, and we had
banking started for sixteen hours. By hour eighteen, we were
being inundated to the point that we couldn't even like
log onto our accounts. It was just massively people calling
me and saying her and died. They were gonna kill
my family.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
It was Candas's belief that Quinn was actually orchestrating the
online harassment against her to torpedo her fundraising campaign.

Speaker 9 (26:25):
It was ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (26:26):
It was absolutely ridiculous, and she was doing this trying
to convince me that the gamers were the ones that
did this.

Speaker 9 (26:32):
Like, how stupid did this woman think I was?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
The entire interaction rocked Candace. I mean, Zoe Quinn was
a liberal woman just like her and a darling of
the mainstream media. Quinn claimed to have been harassed by
anonymous online trolls. She was a woman that was so
prominent that she was working with Twitter's anti harassment arm.
Quinn thought Candace was developing a system that would reveal

(26:57):
the real names of anonymous online harassment.

Speaker 13 (27:00):
She was under the assumption, which was totally wrong, that
if I had launched this project, I was going to
be able to unmask controls.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Given her alleged harassment by anonymous web users, you'd think
Quinn would have welcomed this technological development, but she didn't. Instead,
Quinn apparently wanted to suffocate Candace's project in the crib.
That was strange to Candace given Quinn's position she's.

Speaker 13 (27:23):
Working for the anti harassment arm on Twitter. Let's say
that during in the heat of the election, which is
when this was in twenty sixteen, I had built a
technology that was going to be able to unmask controls.
What would I have uncovered and what exactly would I
have ruined? How many of Hillary Clinton's Twitter followers were real?
How many people that are on Twitter saying di die

(27:45):
that says I'm a Trump supporter are actually Trump supporters
and not just some girls sitting in their basement working
for Hillary Clinton. Okay, these are sort of the existential
questions that I started asking myself.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Immediately, Candace's instincts told her that Quinn was not not
who she was claiming to be.

Speaker 13 (28:01):
It was like a jarring, scary thing, and I instantly tweeted,
just like that girl's alway, Quinn, I don't know what
the gamer Gate scandal is.

Speaker 9 (28:08):
I had no idea what gamer Gate was.

Speaker 13 (28:10):
But she is definitively harassing herself and that opened the floodgates.

Speaker 9 (28:15):
That opened the absolute floodgates.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Shortly after her tweet, Candace says, the liberal Washington Post
attempted to smear her, and the left wing New York
magazine published what could be interpreted as a hit piece.
Candace at the time thought she was a Democrat, but
the event flipped a switch in her. This was her
red pilled moment.

Speaker 13 (28:35):
And people always say, like, how can you say you
were red pilled instantly? I was red pilled instantly. It
opened my eyes to the fact that the people that
are claiming to fight racism, okay, the people that are
claiming to want to give platforms to black people. I,
at that moment was a black female entrepreneur being stomped
out by New York magazine, Okay, the Washington Post. All

(28:57):
these people that should be my allies trying to help
me are viciously trying to take me down because what
because they thought that I had built something that was
going to unveil a dirty little secret. In that dirty
little secret is that they were in fact perpetuating victim narratives.
They were for in fact, perpetuating racism. They were in
fact perpetuating sexism in the comfort of their troll accounts

(29:19):
on Twitter. And I'm sure that that far exceeds Twitter.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Through the innocent launch of a fundraising campaign, Candice had
been pushed down the rabbit hole. The reaction from Zoe Quinn,
the trolls, and the liberal media had her rethinking everything.

Speaker 13 (29:37):
I essentially realized that for a very long time, my
mind had been hacked, that people that I thought were
my friends were in fact my enemies, and people that
I thought just in the background, without paying cocassion to politics,
I assumed they were far right white nationalists are just
trying to tell the truth.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It made her rethink her education as well, eventually coming
to the conclusion that black people are indoctrinated starting from
a very young age.

Speaker 13 (30:01):
They're learning that they have an allegiance to the Democratic Party.
We learned it since we were in middle school. We
are constantly told over and over again, with repetition, the
correct answers to the tests is always black people made
progress because a Democrats syved, then black people went backwards
because Republicans did this, or that it's a massive misinformation campaign.

Speaker 9 (30:18):
It's a massive miseducation.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
As the mainstream media was attacking Candace for questioning Zoe
Quinn's story, a budding journalist and filmmaker reached.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Out to her.

Speaker 13 (30:31):
Mike Cernovich invited me to film his documentary Silence.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
She did a web search on the filmmaker and Google
returned some of the vilest descriptions of Mike Cernovich. She
decided to meet with him anyways, and at.

Speaker 13 (30:44):
This point, I'm still holding on to my liberalism. I
say to him, like, this is what I want to do,
and he said, I disagree with you.

Speaker 9 (30:49):
Know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Kandace says Cernovich thought her Social Autopsy site had some
serious issues regarding online privacy.

Speaker 13 (30:56):
Because he understood the implications of what something like Social
Autopsy could do.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Candice would come to agree with him, but.

Speaker 13 (31:01):
He said, what happened to you was wrong, and I
want to give you a voice to talk about how
the media tried to stomp you out. And afterwards he
had a gathering a book signing for some of his fans.
I just attended and there was just so much authenticity
in the room, and I realized, if this is what
is being told about me on Google, about this person,
and I'm having a real conversation with I need to

(31:22):
reevaluate every single thing Google tells me.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Around the same time she met Mike Cernovich, another man
was making waves on the national stage.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Can you give us a question? Don't be would you
give us any question?

Speaker 9 (31:36):
And you're not going to give you.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
News.

Speaker 13 (31:40):
At the same time that this is going on, Downald
Trump as on a platform calling CNN fake news. It
was just divine intervention. Honestly, at every angle, it just
went click click, click click, instantly red pilled and then
suffered from extreme cognitive dissonance because once you get punched
in the face like that, I say to everyone, take
the red pill, but take take it slow, up the dosage.

(32:01):
I was figuratively kicked in the chest Spartan style down
a deep hole.

Speaker 9 (32:06):
Okay, like not fun for anybody.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
The entire ordeal had Candas's head spinning. She took about
a year off to contemplate her entire life. I mean,
think about what this young woman had been through in
high school. A chance racist prank phone call put her
at odds with a major politician, landed her on the

(32:29):
front page of the newspapers, and opened her eyes to
the scam of the NAACP, a group she'd been told
for years existed to help black people. Within twenty four
hours of launching her first entrepreneurial project, she was thrust
into the spotlight when she inadvertently stepped into a culture
war known as Gamergate. Again, she attracted journalists, this time

(32:49):
in the national media. Both experiences opened her eyes to
the unwritten rules of a game she had no idea
was being played all around her, but now she could
see it, or at least part of it. Candace was
exhausted from the eye opening experiences that by the time
July twenty seventeen came around, she decided to make a move.

Speaker 13 (33:10):
I said to someone, I said, I have to go
into this like once you know this. Okay, this happened
to me for a reason, just like what happened to
me in high school.

Speaker 9 (33:18):
Kne for a reason.

Speaker 13 (33:19):
Okay, everything that happened to me brought me to this moment.
There is a message that I was chosen to deliver
to the black community.

Speaker 9 (33:25):
I feel that, from the bottom of my.

Speaker 13 (33:27):
Soul, that I was picked to do this, That these things,
these huge, crazy things, trying to do a good thing
gone wrong, a random car ride with strangers I'd never met,
turning into front page news. These don't happen to somebody
by chance. They happened to someone because it was preparing
me for a bigger moment, a moment of harsh criticism
being lied about.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
She believed she was chosen for a mission, but by
who or what she wasn't quite ready to say. When
we closed our conversation with Candace Owens and December twenty seventeen,
we couldn't help it ask.

Speaker 9 (34:04):
Thank you, guys, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Are you religious?

Speaker 9 (34:10):
I am not, but I'm starting to become a lot
more spiritual.

Speaker 13 (34:13):
It's become a natural journey back to the way that
I was raised with my grandfather, which I definitely, I
definitely want to talk about more, but it's kind of
still happening.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
So she sensed that there was something out there guiding
her journey, and with that building connection to the source
of everything, she was ready to take on the world.

Speaker 9 (34:30):
I'm going a war.

Speaker 13 (34:31):
Path right now to help the black community understand that
we have been lied to, we had been used, we
hadn't manipulated, and that's all by the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So, like so many default liberals before her, she geared
up for a public coming out. She set up a camera,
pressed record, and by the time she was done, the
entire conservative media complex would be clamoring for a piece
of Candice Owens because she was about to shift the
culture in ways no one could have ever imagined.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Coming up on red Pilled America, I.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
Think I might be a conservative, Candace.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I know about your story, but this is riveting.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
I want to beg you to come on the full
Show sometime with Paul and I and share these stories.

Speaker 9 (35:09):
You know.

Speaker 13 (35:10):
I was just at the Daily Wire earlier today and
their studio their office space is growing.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
Because people are famous, we then grant them a certain
level of credibility on other issues. So the latest example
of this is Kanye West.

Speaker 9 (35:20):
He's a genius. Kanye West is a genius.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
And Candace has facts, she's researched.

Speaker 11 (35:24):
We'll speaking on fire obviously, Candas you've just exploded onto
the scene. I think probably a year and a half ago,
nobody knew who you were and now everybody knows who
you are.

Speaker 13 (35:31):
You think about. Whenever we say nationalism, the first thing
people think about in at least in America is Hitler.
A friend of mine who I am not going to name,
encouraged me to visit the Simon Weisenthal Center, me a
woman joining the Daily Wire team.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah. Red Pilled America is an iHeartRadio original podcast. It's
owned and produced by Patrick Carrelci and me Adriana Cortez
for Informed Ventures. Now you can get ad free access
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