August 24, 2026 • 36 mins
Has America gone mad? This week on Famboogie, we dig into the Lindsay Clancy case, and the rare litmus test it provides.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Red Pilled America coming up on fam boogie.
There are some crimes that are so repulsive that we
should not spend a single brain cell rationalizing them. Murdering
your three babies is one of those crimes. Hey, I'm
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Hey, this is Red Pilled America's famboogie. How are you
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Ours has been nuts. We're empty nesters, empty nesters in
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I feel pretty numb right now. I'm feeling pretty bummed
about the whole thing. I mean, here's the thing, though,
I think I'm really excited about the future with you,
just me's and You's how how it got started this before,
We've done it before, so that part's great. But I
do not like not knowing every second of my daughter's experience,
(01:22):
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
What I know. But okay, well we'll get into that.
Let's get into the agenda first, and we'll go back
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Speaker 1 (01:29):
Today we have a lot to talk about, including what
I view as an issue that is a great filter
the It's one of these filters that come along every
once in a while in the news media, which is
this Lindsay Clancy case. We're going to get into that.
We're going to talk a little bit about the Carmelo
Anthony case update, the murder case out in Texas that
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the show before. We're also going to get into the
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Also, be sure to check out.
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Adrianna Jade Adriana my co host and lovely partner in
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useful account for women, I would say is probably the
best way to describe it. I would agree with that,
but there's also some great tips for men in there.
On if you want to get your wife a nice
present for her birthday coming up or anniversary.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
That kind of a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Adriana has a lot of things that she tests and
shows off to the world and gives her opinion on it,
So go check that out. Yes, we are empty nesters.
We recently dropped off our daughter at college, and I
gotta tell you is one of the most exhausting days
of my life. For all of you young RPA fanbam
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fan bammers out there, I would say, haves as young
as you possibly can. I agree, because it is a
young man's game. You want to be moving your daughter
into college, I would say, like in your early forties
at the latest.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, because basically now I'm struggling with sciatica and Patrick
almost died.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What is sayatica? I've heard that word before.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I guess say it's a nerve that runs along you know,
your back and mind has flared up. So I'm literally
heating it you guys as we speak.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, Well, our daughter's dorm room. We were lucky to
have a dorm room that was on the third floor
and there was no elevator.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh my gosh, so everything that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We brought up, thank god, we didn't have to bring
up like a fridge or bring up like a you know,
a bed or something along those lines. But it was
still tiring, and we're I was operating on one or
two hours sleep because I was just so excited and
amped up for the next day, and I knew that
Daddy was going to.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Be on duty.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That was your day to shine, it was.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
My day to shine, day to shine, and I was
really kind of like wanted to be there, and then
started getting in my head. I got an hour to
two hours sleep, yeah, and I hit a hard wall
at one point.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It was really though, I have to say, it was
very exciting. It is hard, you know, the fact that
she's not here with us, but she is in a
better place than I was at her age. I did
not have the opportunity to go to, you know, a
four year university right out of high school. I certainly
didn't have the opportunity to dorm. And so, you know,
(04:31):
the goal is that you want your kids to have
better than you did, and I feel like we accomplished that.
So that's exciting. And I also, I you know, I
keep telling myself that this is what I prepared her for,
this is what I raised her for and it would
be so much harder if, for whatever reason, she were
unable to leave the nest. You know, she's right where
she needs to be. Life is progressing just as it
(04:53):
needs to progress, as it should progress. Yes, And I
just keep coming back to gratitude. I'm grateful for, you know,
this opportunity for her that we're able to provide it.
And that's how I'm getting through the days.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Guys, And the thing that you should be most grateful
for is your husband and his delivering on the day
of the moving, because he delivered.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
He delivered.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, really, I looked in the mirror and I said,
that guy right there in the mirror, he delivers.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
In between your tears.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I actually came home and I got really upset. You
went and had to go do something, I think, and
I was by myself for a minute and I was
watching Ladybird. Of all movies, do not watch Ladybird as
you're moving your daughter out of the house, because it's
like gets even that much more emotional. I've actually moved
it into my top four movies on letterbox because it's.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Really really good.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But I'm watching Ladybird as I'm doing things around the
house and I look up and there's my Ladybird is
about a coming of age story that is. It's phenomenal movie,
and I don't want to do any spoiler alerts, but anyways,
it was great movie. And so I look up and
there's my daughter with her graduation picture sitting on the piano,
and I'm like, oh god, and it just kind of
(06:16):
hit me. It really hit me that she wasn't there.
But I'm excited, super excited. We've been preparing her for
this her whole life. This is part of the cycle,
and we are part of this cycle of life, and
I'm really really excited about it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I will say this now that our daughter has moved in,
now that summer's over, now we can get back to
our regularly scheduled program. So we are going to have
a new Red Pilled America episode for you guys next week,
which is going to be really, really good. I'm really
loving this episode.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it's just it's just taken so long as far
as research goes, but that will be coming out very
very soon.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
But we also had a lot of things going on
in between.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yes, so let's get onto this. Lindsey Clancy case because
I've been it's been one of those things that's been
fascinating to watch. And I didn't even really know about
this until you started coming in and talking.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
To me about it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well here's the thing, though. The way it started for
me was I got some very bad intel from two
of my best friends, and one of them is really
the conspiracy theory bug has bit her and every you know,
conspiracy theory or ridiculous thing that happens, she falls for it.
(07:25):
And she roped me in and she said, have you
heard about this case? Yeah, the husband did it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, that's what she said. She said, the husband did it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And then you come in, you start telling me about it,
and I've seen a little bit about it, but this
is definitely early on captured the imagination of women much
more than men. So you come in and you say, well,
you know, no, no, my husband did it. And I
said no, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I said, have you heard about this case. You're saying
the husband might have done it, Yes, because he was
wearing different clothes at the CBS.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And I heard that, and I'm like, that doesn't sound right.
I've heard that she's admitted to killing her three children.
This does not make sense what you're saying. I said,
either there's an explanation for him changing his clothes, the
video is epixelated, or that piece of information is absolutely false.
So she comes in enough like, because you're hearing from
(08:18):
your friends, because this thing is starting to really pick
up stack.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, not only are my friends now talking about it,
but now I'm seeing it. Everyone's starting to talk about it. Yes,
so I have to go run errands, I have to
go shop, I have to get my nails done. So
I say to Patrick, you need to look into this.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I love how you drop that all on me. So
I actually started looking into it, and I'm thinking, oh
my god, the intel that you are getting is so bad.
You know, we need to start revoking voting rights for people.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That immediately goes to that.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, But that said, I started looking into it, and
there's a reason I could understand why people people get
caught up in controversies and get get caught up in
conspiracy theories and the way social media is set up,
and it is set up to incentivize the most clickbaity
thing possible. But I want to first get into the
background of this case first, and then get into some
(09:13):
of the ramifications of what's kind of coming out of this.
So let's first do that, because I hear a lot
of people talking about this, but they aren't really talking
about really what happened and the lead up to it,
which is the important part. So Lindsey Clancy, she was
born in nineteen ninety, so this kind of gives you
an idea of her age. A former labor and delivery nurse,
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she was married to a man named Patrick Clancy. Eventually,
she admits to strangling her own three children, a five
year old Cora, a three year old Dawson, and Caitlin,
which I believe was around eight months old. She pleads
not guilty to three counts of first degree murder, arguing
she lacked criminal responsibility due to severe postpartum mental health
(10:00):
crisis often framed as postpartums psychosis. Right, So, but the
the interesting thing about that is is that and I've
been been seeing a lot of psychiatrists talk about this,
and then I actually did a little bit of research
on it myself. Postpartum typically arises within three weeks after
the birth. I think it's a mixture of you know,
(10:21):
the hormones that are that are in the system after
birth as well as sleep deprivation. But her youngest was
eight months old, so she's well outside of the kind
of watermelon.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yes, and it's not easy, it's not pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
It's not it's not so the murders appear to be premeditated,
and we'll get into some of that in a minute.
And that's there's a lot of misinformation out there on
this and this is the problem, the real problem with
social media and with the beauty of free speech and
the importance of free speech. Obviously, you know, we are
(10:58):
free speech advocates here, we have been since the launch
of this show. The canceling kind of phenomenon that happened
was was grotesque and troublesome. There is an issue, though,
with misinformation going out there on these social media platforms,
and there are people that appear to purposefully put out
(11:19):
fake information or invalid information, and there needs to be
something that some kind of a mechanism that deals with it.
Because when you had network television, there were filters in
place to a certain degree, like the most outlandish types
of misinformation. Today you could be swarmed with that. You
(11:40):
could have millions of people putting out false information and
there's really no mechanism for that. Previously, you'd have social
media giants censoring people, but then that kind of backfired
at times in important times, like the laptop information in
regards to Hunter Biden's laptop and how people were basically
(12:00):
getting their accounts frozen because of that piece of information
wrongly frozen, I should say, so there is an issue
with that, but there is a lot of bad information
out there. It does appear that these were premeditated, and
we'll get into that in a second. Her trial is
ongoing in the Plymouth Superior Court. So with the background
what happened. She married Patrick Clancy in twenty sixteen. Lindsay
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Clancy marrying Patrick Clancy in twenty sixteen. That's Clancy is
not her maiden name. The family lived in Duxbury, Massachusetts.
Lindsay reported postpartum anxiety after Dawson's birth.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's her second child, exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So after Kaylin's birth. Kaylan is the baby. Her mental
health reportedly deteriorated starting around September twenty twenty two, nearly
the end of the maternity leave. She sought psychiatric care
for anxiety, insomnia, depression related symptoms. Over subsequent months, she
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received multiple prescriptions. There are reports that cite that she
had about thirteen psychiatric medications in four months before the
killings prescribed okay, because the case ends up showing that
a lot of these medications she either never took or
she took like one or two pills, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So she didn't get them all filled.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yes, but the defense has been heavily leaning on these
medications and this cocktail that she was given as the
trigger to this psychosis and this killing. She had an
impatient stay at the hospital about nineteen days before the
horrific incident. She also reported symptoms including intrusive thoughts, disorientation,
(13:41):
and then notably auditory hallucinations basically a male speaking to her.
But that account came after the murders, and it only
apparently happened once. I've seen many experts online and I've
also again looked into this. That is not a normal Yes, well,
that's not a normal thing.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To just have that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That the way it typically goes down people have this
type of psychosis.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yes, auditory hallucinations typically happened more than just once. Yes,
So the incident itself early on the day of January
twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, Lindsay took Cora to a
pediatrician appointment and played in the snow with the children.
They made some snow men and then they actually ended
up sending that picture to family members. This is a
key thing, and this is the key thing for premeditation.
(14:27):
Lindsay searched the time required to travel to CVS and
a takeout food place that she was about to send
her husband on shortly after five pm. She asked her
husband to pick up that takeout at the restaurant in
Plymouth and then run a pharmacy errand at CVS. I
believe it was pdolite or something like that she was
trying to get for one of the kids, or at
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least that's what she told him. He leaves, He's gone
for around fifty minutes or so, and this is being
told through I believe phone data, through CVS cameras and
what have you. While he is gone less than an hour,
she strangled the three children with exercise resistance bands in
the basement of the home. All three died of ligature strangulation,
(15:11):
which is basically means not by hand, it means by
some kind of mechanism to choke and Cora and Dawson
were pronounced dead that evening, and Kaylin died in his
injuries several days later. She then attempted suicide by cutting
her wrists and nick. Some people are saying that it
might have been a superficial suicide attempt because the cuts
(15:33):
weren't deep in certain areas, and she didn't jump from
a far enough place. But anyways, she jumped from her
second story window. She sustained a spinal cord injury that
left her paralyzed from the waist down and now she's
been going to the courts in a wheelchair. Her husband returned,
found Lindsay injured outside, called nine to one to one,
then discovered the children in the basement, telling dispatcher variations
(15:55):
of she killed the kids. The husband and the police
described the scene.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know, I hate to point this out. I don't
know if it's obvious to most people, but the way
that she killed the kids, those were not quick deaths.
You know, you don't die instantly when someone strangles you, well,
it takes a while, so they were aware that their
mother was strangling them.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They say that it took a minimum of four minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's a very long time.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It takes ten to twenty seconds to pass out from strangulation,
but it takes at least four minutes of continuous applied
pressure to actually kill them. And they're saying anywhere from
four to ten minutes. So that's how long she was
strangling these kids. And I believe she separated them out
so that she could make sure that she wasn't interrupted
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as she was killing the next one. So it was
just a very methodical approach that she took.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That is horrisic.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So killing these kids no horrific. The husband and a
police officer that arrived on the scene describe the event,
and we're gonna hear that right after the break.
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the top of the menu. So back to this case,
this lindsy Clancy case you had. The husband goes out
on an errand his wife asks him to go to
CBS and then go to takeout pick up some things.
He comes back to this horrific scene and this is
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his description of what he sees when he arrives. This
is from his testimony in the court case.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And when you saw Lindsay on the ground there under
the window, which direction was her body facing?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Her head was closer to the house, her feet were
away from the house.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
And did you go to her?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And did you observe any injuries?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And what did you say?
Speaker 5 (19:20):
She had deep cuts on her wrists and she had
a red line across her neck. I wasn't sure what
it was at first, but she cut her neck.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Did you say anything to Lindsay when you found her
in that state? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I said what happened?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
And what was her response?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
She said, I tried to kill myself.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Did you ask her anything else?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I said, where are the kids?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
And what was her response?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
She said, they're in the basement.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Upon his observation of us.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
This is the police officer that arrived on the scene.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Myself an Officer Hall. He proceeded to head an eye
direction leaving that room, and at that point he looked
up and he screamed, she killed the fucking kids. Yeah. So,
when they removed Kora, myself and Officer khe went back
upstairs where I counted mister Clancy in the kitchen.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And what was his demeanor in the kitchen?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
He was still frantic, kind of in shock, still screaming
and losing himself. And I think at that point, I
don't know, one of us requested that we get an
ambulance for him as well.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Did anyone ever tell you not to leave your kids
alone with Lindsay in January of twenty twenty twenty three?
Did Lindsay ever tell you that she wanted to harm
your children? Did she ever tell you she was going
to kill your children?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Did you receive a few days after this happened? Did
you receive a phone call from the defendant while she
was at Brigham and Women's Hospital.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I think it was like a week or so after.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, And what did the defendants say at that time
about what had happened with the children?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
She didn't talk about our kids. She talked about what
she went through.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
And what did she say about what she went through?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
She said she heard a man's voice telling her that
if she didn't do it now, she would lose her
chance or something like that.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Did she mention the children at all during that call.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I don't think so, not directly.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Had she ever mentioned psychosis to you before.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
No.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I didn't know what psychosis was until after this happened.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Did she ever tell you she was hearing a man's
voice before.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So he's very composed. He really is from a male perspective.
When I watched this, what I see is is a
guy that's trying to keep it together and they're potentially
being just so much emotionally going on. He seems very subdued, troubled.
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People are saying other things, I would say, some of
Lindsay's supporters, and there actually are a lot saying that
you know, he did it, he's the one that did it,
what have you. We'll get into that. So in the
aftermath of this murder, she was arraigned from her hospital
bed in early February twenty twenty three. In statements after
(22:25):
the incident, she said she heard a male voice as he,
as her husband, said, telling her to kill the children
and herself because it was her last chance, and described
a moment of psychosis. She has also been reported as
saying things like go to God baby during the acts.
Per civil filings, Patrick Clancy later divorced her. Both Patrick
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and Lindsay filed civil lawsuits against medical providers alleging failures
to in diagnosis, monitoring, medication management, and treatment of her
postpartum conditions. The trial began with jury selection around July
twenty twenty six. The defense folks on lack of criminal
responsibility due to severe mental illness exacerbated by treatment medication issues.
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Prosecutors argue premeditation sending Patrick out to create the opportunity
is one of those examples, and that she acted intentionally.
Evidence has included the nine to one one calls, medical records,
phone searches related to mental health terms and suicide, witness
testimony from family providers and experts, a jury view of
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the home, and more.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
So.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
This is kind of a little bit of her background,
because I think this is kind of interesting. After graduating
from college in twenty twelve with a biology degree, she
attended nursing school in Massachusetts. During nursing school, she was
prescribed the antidepressant prozac, an SSRI and old Bruton. She
reportedly did well on those medications, with the only noted
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side effect being sexual side effects. I'm not sure what
that means. Welbida low libido, Thank you very much. During
the trial, doctor was on the stand and they were
asking this doctor questions because this doctor spoke to Lindsey
shortly after the murders, and this is what that doctor
had to say.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
But in that subsequent conversation that you were a witness to,
where they were speaking on the phone and she told
them about these voices or explained about the voices, did
she ask about the kids?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
She did not. As I recall.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Now, in all of the times over the course of
the last few years that you've met with Mss Clancy,
how many times has she told you since the incident
that she's heard a voice.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
She has not heard voices since the event took place
in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
And you've now testified that over the course of a
period of time that she did hear voices? Right, yes,
And is that based on one of these thirty five
hours worth of conversations you had with her. How do
you know that?
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Well, they were collateral contacts. I spoke to other people.
I spoke to other people who I asked the nature
of their interactions with miss Clancy and it was not
a fishing expedition. I asked them if they can tell
me what happened? Well, but they disclosed part of me.
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So they disclosed information to me that mss Clancy shared
that information with them.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
So who did she tell that she had a voice
that told her to kill herself?
Speaker 8 (25:42):
She spoke to a chaplain named Sheila Kavanaugh who I
spoke with, and Chaplain Cavanaugh told me that missus Clancy
told her that she heard a male voice instructing her
to first kill her children and then to kill herself.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
So the same message that she delivered to Patrick that
day on the phone, you heard from a chaplain at
Brighaman Woman's Hospital after the incident occurred in January of
twenty twenty three. Yes, and so from all of the
records that you reviewed of her treatment and all of
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the interviews with her family, who did she tell that
she heard voices telling them telling her to kill herself?
Speaker 8 (26:35):
I believe she told family members which family members. I
believe she may have said that to her mother. She
I believe told her husband that she felt by killing
herself as well.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
In the records with the providers, you're aware, you've reviewed
them all and you've sat through all of their testimony.
You're aware that when she described intrusive thoughts, she never
referred them referred to them as a voice telling her
to kill herself. Did they did?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
She No, she was referring to it's just a yes
or no no.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
So as far as her reports of these intrusive thoughts
that appear over and over in the notes, you would
agree that it was simply when asked about what they were,
it was simply that she felt like she wanted to die, right, yes,
and it's just yes or no.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So what she's trying to get at there, that's the
prosecution she's trying to get at there, is that there
was no indication prior to the murders that she was
hearing voices that the what she was explaining to people
and conveying to people were more self harm types of
concerns about herself, and that the voices, aspect or I
(27:52):
should say, scenario didn't come out until afterwards, and it
sounds like it happened once. And aside from that the voices,
there's no other voices talking to her in her head.
So the prosecution is basically trying to make the argument
that this is something that she came up with afterwards.
They also paint this trail when it comes to the
medications and the fact that she wasn't taking some of them,
(28:14):
had only taken one or two pills. This wasn't the
kind of thing where she was just on this cocktail
for months and months. It changed the chemistry of her brain,
and she acted accordingly according to this kind of malpractice
by these doctors giving her these prescriptions. So they're trying
to basically wipe away her defenses of insanity. And I
(28:36):
got to say, there's a lot of damning testimony in
that regard that I've seen in this case, where their
argument that she was hopped up on some medication cocktail
and was pleading and pleading for help because she knew
she was going to kill her children beforehand. That isn't
playing out in the testimony or the evidence that the
(28:58):
prosecution and the defense have been presenting inside this court case.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So if she goes free. She could be out theoretically
and as quick as like six months, right, well.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think actually technically it could even be forty days
is like the longest they can hold her, and then
they put her in for six months hold and then
from then I believe it's every six months to a year,
they kind of recheck on things. Now, the heinousness of
this case would probably preclude somebody that is diagnosing her
(29:32):
from releasing her immediately, but technically, yes, she can leave
very quickly if she's found it, if she's found innocent.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So the other thing that I find interesting is that
you know, this has happened before, other women killing their children,
but for some reason, this case has caught fire.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I think that is why so many people are talking
about just this case for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
There's a case in North Carolina where a woman killed
one of her kids and then one survive. She's pleading
not guilty by reason in sanity. There's Laden Snelling, a
case in Kentucky, pleads guilty to killing newborn son, stuffing
him in a trash bag. There's Kaylee Earhart case in
North Dakota. She killed two of her children, one survived.
(30:20):
There's also even a male one as well too, Chad
Dorman executed his three sons. I mean, this is something
that's happened time and time again. It appears to happen.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
A lot more often for women, of course.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yes, in women, you're seeing a lot more of these
kinds of cases pop up at the news because party, yes,
exactly so. The fascinating thing about this whole thing has
been the massive support for Lindsay Clancy. And the craziest
part if you look on TikTok and you see nurses
posting support for her. They're posting videos where they are
(30:54):
in the caption saying same Lindsay, like they're feeling for her.
They feel the same way that Lindsay does the person
that strangled three of her children. Sometimes they're even holding
their children in the video that they're making for TikTok,
saying same Lindsay or me too, Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And some of them are splashing their children they're newborns
with water as they're holding them.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's I think what.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We're so now we're basically seeing women say like same,
I would like to kill my children as well because
I'm going crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And here is some of the conspiracy theories that's going
out there. This is one woman claiming that that Patrick
had done it.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
Patrick Clancy has pissed off the witches, all the witches.
My fyp is full of witches who think who think
Patrick did it?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
You also have celebrities doing this as well too. Of
all people, Lisa Rinna says that Patrick Clancy did it,
all right.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
He did it. Patrick did it. Patrick's the one who
did it, not lindsay Patrick did it. Because you know,
I also heard that women typically don't strangle. So awful
to even say, but that isn't what a woman would do.
(32:10):
They don't strangle. I was actually in therapeutic day and
my therapist and I were talking about it, and she said,
I said, well, what do they do? Will they poison
or I said, or drown them? Like we literally had
that conversation today. And she looks at me and she goes,
he did it, wow, yeah, and now yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That is she has basically said nothing. By the way,
she gave no information other than he did it with
no evidence, no proof.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
The evidence is that a woman doesn't strength.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
By the way, she needs a new psychiatrists, a new therapist,
because that person's also obviously crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
This is somebody that is incredibly has a huge platform,
incredibly well known on this social media platform, making evidence
free accusations. And I guarantee you a lot of people
align with this view I've seen it. I've seen it online,
people aligning with this this viewpoint that this woman could
(33:10):
not have done it and placing the blame on him.
This is the thing that's fascinating about it. Lindsay Clancy
has admitted to this. It's not even in question, that's
not even part of the case.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No, he did it, that's not No one's saying that
he did it other than people on social media. I mean,
you see just coming to that conclusion exactly, saying.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That it's just it's a completely made up conspiracy theory
based on nothing but feels and vibes. And you have
this Lisa Rena amplifying that message out there. You still
have people out there right now that believe that he
did it and he framed her when she admits to
doing it.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And also women are very upset because apparently he got
married right away after, you know, breaking up with Lindsay.
He found somebody else, and I mean that's neither here.
He did that doesn't mean he did it.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Over a million dollars have been raised from over thirty
thousand donations on GoFundMe for Lindsay's parents to alleviate the
costs of supporting her as parents, which has been kind
of a very troubling thing. And this thing has become
a filter for dating. Now you have women who say
(34:24):
that they the first thing that they are going to
do is ask their date whether they think that Lindsay
is guilty or not. And if they think that she's guilty,
then they're going to walk away from the dinner immediately.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
No, my new vetting process for if I want to
date a man, first date question, I'm always going to
be asking him do you think that Lindsay Clancy should
go to jail for what she did? And if that
man says yes, I'm getting up and walking out right
then and there. I cannot spend the rest of my
life with someone who thinks that that woman is guilty
(34:58):
and deserves jail.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
For killing her three kids. Yes, she should go free
because her husband was an asshole.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes, well, or he was framed, or he framed her,
or what have you. Men are using it as well too.
I've seen some posts on social media where a woman
will You could see their text messages to each other
and the woman says, I can't believe you're breaking up
with me over this, and he responds to her, Yes,
I'm going to break up with you if you think
that it is okay and you're supporting a woman that
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has strangled three of her children.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I don't want to believing you.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yes, I don't want anything to do with you. Yes,
So the right.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Move, guys, I think it is the right move. So
you know our thoughts on this. I have so much
that I want to say on this, and I might
piss off some of you guys out there.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Here we go again. You're so good at that.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I view this case as a litmus test. And there
are few cases that come along that are this black
and white, and this Lindsey Clancy case is one of them.
I want to get into that over in part two.
Join us over there right now,
This is Red Pilled America coming up on fam boogie.
There are some crimes that are so repulsive that we
should not spend a single brain cell rationalizing them. Murdering
your three babies is one of those crimes. Hey, I'm
Patrick Curlcy and.
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I'm Adriana Cortez and welcome to Red Pilled America's fam boogie.
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Hey, this is Red Pilled America's famboogie. How are you
guys doing. I hope you guys. Week has gone well.
Ours has been nuts. We're empty nesters, empty nesters in
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I don't know. I go for I'm feeling happy and
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I feel pretty numb right now. I'm feeling pretty bummed
about the whole thing. I mean, here's the thing, though,
I think I'm really excited about the future with you,
just me's and You's how how it got started this before,
We've done it before, so that part's great. But I
do not like not knowing every second of my daughter's experience,
(01:22):
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
What I know. But okay, well we'll get into that.
Let's get into the agenda first, and we'll go back
to our emptiness data.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Today we have a lot to talk about, including what
I view as an issue that is a great filter
the It's one of these filters that come along every
once in a while in the news media, which is
this Lindsay Clancy case. We're going to get into that.
We're going to talk a little bit about the Carmelo
Anthony case update, the murder case out in Texas that
(01:51):
you guys might know about. We've talked about it on
the show before. We're also going to get into the
Paramount merger and Mark Ruffalo. He's been accused of anti Semitism.
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On if you want to get your wife a nice
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That kind of a thing.
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Adriana has a lot of things that she tests and
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So go check that out. Yes, we are empty nesters.
We recently dropped off our daughter at college, and I
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Yeah, because basically now I'm struggling with sciatica and Patrick
almost died.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What is sayatica? I've heard that word before.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I guess say it's a nerve that runs along you know,
your back and mind has flared up. So I'm literally
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Yeah, Well, our daughter's dorm room. We were lucky to
have a dorm room that was on the third floor
and there was no elevator.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh my gosh, so everything that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We brought up, thank god, we didn't have to bring
up like a fridge or bring up like a you know,
a bed or something along those lines. But it was
still tiring, and we're I was operating on one or
two hours sleep because I was just so excited and
amped up for the next day, and I knew that
Daddy was going to.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Be on duty.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That was your day to shine, it was.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
My day to shine, day to shine, and I was
really kind of like wanted to be there, and then
started getting in my head. I got an hour to
two hours sleep, yeah, and I hit a hard wall
at one point.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It was really though, I have to say, it was
very exciting. It is hard, you know, the fact that
she's not here with us, but she is in a
better place than I was at her age. I did
not have the opportunity to go to, you know, a
four year university right out of high school. I certainly
didn't have the opportunity to dorm. And so, you know,
(04:31):
the goal is that you want your kids to have
better than you did, and I feel like we accomplished that.
So that's exciting. And I also, I you know, I
keep telling myself that this is what I prepared her for,
this is what I raised her for and it would
be so much harder if, for whatever reason, she were
unable to leave the nest. You know, she's right where
she needs to be. Life is progressing just as it
(04:53):
needs to progress, as it should progress. Yes, And I
just keep coming back to gratitude. I'm grateful for, you know,
this opportunity for her that we're able to provide it.
And that's how I'm getting through the days.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Guys, And the thing that you should be most grateful
for is your husband and his delivering on the day
of the moving, because he delivered.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
He delivered.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, really, I looked in the mirror and I said,
that guy right there in the mirror, he delivers.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
In between your tears.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I actually came home and I got really upset. You
went and had to go do something, I think, and
I was by myself for a minute and I was
watching Ladybird. Of all movies, do not watch Ladybird as
you're moving your daughter out of the house, because it's
like gets even that much more emotional. I've actually moved
it into my top four movies on letterbox because it's.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Really really good.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But I'm watching Ladybird as I'm doing things around the
house and I look up and there's my Ladybird is
about a coming of age story that is. It's phenomenal movie,
and I don't want to do any spoiler alerts, but anyways,
it was great movie. And so I look up and
there's my daughter with her graduation picture sitting on the piano,
and I'm like, oh god, and it just kind of
(06:16):
hit me. It really hit me that she wasn't there.
But I'm excited, super excited. We've been preparing her for
this her whole life. This is part of the cycle,
and we are part of this cycle of life, and
I'm really really excited about it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I will say this now that our daughter has moved in,
now that summer's over, now we can get back to
our regularly scheduled program. So we are going to have
a new Red Pilled America episode for you guys next week,
which is going to be really, really good. I'm really
loving this episode.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it's just it's just taken so long as far
as research goes, but that will be coming out very
very soon.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
But we also had a lot of things going on
in between.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yes, so let's get onto this. Lindsey Clancy case because
I've been it's been one of those things that's been
fascinating to watch. And I didn't even really know about
this until you started coming in and talking.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
To me about it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well here's the thing, though. The way it started for
me was I got some very bad intel from two
of my best friends, and one of them is really
the conspiracy theory bug has bit her and every you know,
conspiracy theory or ridiculous thing that happens, she falls for it.
(07:25):
And she roped me in and she said, have you
heard about this case? Yeah, the husband did it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, that's what she said. She said, the husband did it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And then you come in, you start telling me about it,
and I've seen a little bit about it, but this
is definitely early on captured the imagination of women much
more than men. So you come in and you say, well,
you know, no, no, my husband did it. And I
said no, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I said, have you heard about this case. You're saying
the husband might have done it, Yes, because he was
wearing different clothes at the CBS.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And I heard that, and I'm like, that doesn't sound right.
I've heard that she's admitted to killing her three children.
This does not make sense what you're saying. I said,
either there's an explanation for him changing his clothes, the
video is epixelated, or that piece of information is absolutely false.
So she comes in enough like, because you're hearing from
(08:18):
your friends, because this thing is starting to really pick
up stack.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, not only are my friends now talking about it,
but now I'm seeing it. Everyone's starting to talk about it. Yes,
so I have to go run errands, I have to
go shop, I have to get my nails done. So
I say to Patrick, you need to look into this.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I love how you drop that all on me. So
I actually started looking into it, and I'm thinking, oh
my god, the intel that you are getting is so bad.
You know, we need to start revoking voting rights for people.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That immediately goes to that.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, But that said, I started looking into it, and
there's a reason I could understand why people people get
caught up in controversies and get get caught up in
conspiracy theories and the way social media is set up,
and it is set up to incentivize the most clickbaity
thing possible. But I want to first get into the
background of this case first, and then get into some
(09:13):
of the ramifications of what's kind of coming out of this.
So let's first do that, because I hear a lot
of people talking about this, but they aren't really talking
about really what happened and the lead up to it,
which is the important part. So Lindsey Clancy, she was
born in nineteen ninety, so this kind of gives you
an idea of her age. A former labor and delivery nurse,
(09:36):
she was married to a man named Patrick Clancy. Eventually,
she admits to strangling her own three children, a five
year old Cora, a three year old Dawson, and Caitlin,
which I believe was around eight months old. She pleads
not guilty to three counts of first degree murder, arguing
she lacked criminal responsibility due to severe postpartum mental health
(10:00):
crisis often framed as postpartums psychosis. Right, So, but the
the interesting thing about that is is that and I've
been been seeing a lot of psychiatrists talk about this,
and then I actually did a little bit of research
on it myself. Postpartum typically arises within three weeks after
the birth. I think it's a mixture of you know,
(10:21):
the hormones that are that are in the system after
birth as well as sleep deprivation. But her youngest was
eight months old, so she's well outside of the kind
of watermelon.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yes, and it's not easy, it's not pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
It's not it's not so the murders appear to be premeditated,
and we'll get into some of that in a minute.
And that's there's a lot of misinformation out there on
this and this is the problem, the real problem with
social media and with the beauty of free speech and
the importance of free speech. Obviously, you know, we are
(10:58):
free speech advocates here, we have been since the launch
of this show. The canceling kind of phenomenon that happened
was was grotesque and troublesome. There is an issue, though,
with misinformation going out there on these social media platforms,
and there are people that appear to purposefully put out
(11:19):
fake information or invalid information, and there needs to be
something that some kind of a mechanism that deals with it.
Because when you had network television, there were filters in
place to a certain degree, like the most outlandish types
of misinformation. Today you could be swarmed with that. You
(11:40):
could have millions of people putting out false information and
there's really no mechanism for that. Previously, you'd have social
media giants censoring people, but then that kind of backfired
at times in important times, like the laptop information in
regards to Hunter Biden's laptop and how people were basically
(12:00):
getting their accounts frozen because of that piece of information
wrongly frozen, I should say, so there is an issue
with that, but there is a lot of bad information
out there. It does appear that these were premeditated, and
we'll get into that in a second. Her trial is
ongoing in the Plymouth Superior Court. So with the background
what happened. She married Patrick Clancy in twenty sixteen. Lindsay
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Clancy marrying Patrick Clancy in twenty sixteen. That's Clancy is
not her maiden name. The family lived in Duxbury, Massachusetts.
Lindsay reported postpartum anxiety after Dawson's birth.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's her second child, exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So after Kaylin's birth. Kaylan is the baby. Her mental
health reportedly deteriorated starting around September twenty twenty two, nearly
the end of the maternity leave. She sought psychiatric care
for anxiety, insomnia, depression related symptoms. Over subsequent months, she
(12:57):
received multiple prescriptions. There are reports that cite that she
had about thirteen psychiatric medications in four months before the
killings prescribed okay, because the case ends up showing that
a lot of these medications she either never took or
she took like one or two pills, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So she didn't get them all filled.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yes, but the defense has been heavily leaning on these
medications and this cocktail that she was given as the
trigger to this psychosis and this killing. She had an
impatient stay at the hospital about nineteen days before the
horrific incident. She also reported symptoms including intrusive thoughts, disorientation,
(13:41):
and then notably auditory hallucinations basically a male speaking to her.
But that account came after the murders, and it only
apparently happened once. I've seen many experts online and I've
also again looked into this. That is not a normal Yes, well,
that's not a normal thing.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To just have that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That the way it typically goes down people have this
type of psychosis.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yes, auditory hallucinations typically happened more than just once. Yes,
So the incident itself early on the day of January
twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, Lindsay took Cora to a
pediatrician appointment and played in the snow with the children.
They made some snow men and then they actually ended
up sending that picture to family members. This is a
key thing, and this is the key thing for premeditation.
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Lindsay searched the time required to travel to CVS and
a takeout food place that she was about to send
her husband on shortly after five pm. She asked her
husband to pick up that takeout at the restaurant in
Plymouth and then run a pharmacy errand at CVS. I
believe it was pdolite or something like that she was
trying to get for one of the kids, or at
(14:47):
least that's what she told him. He leaves, He's gone
for around fifty minutes or so, and this is being
told through I believe phone data, through CVS cameras and
what have you. While he is gone less than an hour,
she strangled the three children with exercise resistance bands in
the basement of the home. All three died of ligature strangulation,
(15:11):
which is basically means not by hand, it means by
some kind of mechanism to choke and Cora and Dawson
were pronounced dead that evening, and Kaylin died in his
injuries several days later. She then attempted suicide by cutting
her wrists and nick. Some people are saying that it
might have been a superficial suicide attempt because the cuts
(15:33):
weren't deep in certain areas, and she didn't jump from
a far enough place. But anyways, she jumped from her
second story window. She sustained a spinal cord injury that
left her paralyzed from the waist down and now she's
been going to the courts in a wheelchair. Her husband returned,
found Lindsay injured outside, called nine to one to one,
then discovered the children in the basement, telling dispatcher variations
(15:55):
of she killed the kids. The husband and the police
described the scene.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know, I hate to point this out. I don't
know if it's obvious to most people, but the way
that she killed the kids, those were not quick deaths.
You know, you don't die instantly when someone strangles you, well,
it takes a while, so they were aware that their
mother was strangling them.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They say that it took a minimum of four minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's a very long time.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It takes ten to twenty seconds to pass out from strangulation,
but it takes at least four minutes of continuous applied
pressure to actually kill them. And they're saying anywhere from
four to ten minutes. So that's how long she was
strangling these kids. And I believe she separated them out
so that she could make sure that she wasn't interrupted
(16:39):
as she was killing the next one. So it was
just a very methodical approach that she took.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That is horrisic.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So killing these kids no horrific. The husband and a
police officer that arrived on the scene describe the event,
and we're gonna hear that right after the break.
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the top of the menu. So back to this case,
this lindsy Clancy case you had. The husband goes out
on an errand his wife asks him to go to
CBS and then go to takeout pick up some things.
He comes back to this horrific scene and this is
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his description of what he sees when he arrives. This
is from his testimony in the court case.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And when you saw Lindsay on the ground there under
the window, which direction was her body facing?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Her head was closer to the house, her feet were
away from the house.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
And did you go to her?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And did you observe any injuries?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And what did you say?
Speaker 5 (19:20):
She had deep cuts on her wrists and she had
a red line across her neck. I wasn't sure what
it was at first, but she cut her neck.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Did you say anything to Lindsay when you found her
in that state? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I said what happened?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
And what was her response?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
She said, I tried to kill myself.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Did you ask her anything else?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I said, where are the kids?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
And what was her response?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
She said, they're in the basement.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Upon his observation of us.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
This is the police officer that arrived on the scene.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Myself an Officer Hall. He proceeded to head an eye
direction leaving that room, and at that point he looked
up and he screamed, she killed the fucking kids. Yeah. So,
when they removed Kora, myself and Officer khe went back
upstairs where I counted mister Clancy in the kitchen.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And what was his demeanor in the kitchen?
Speaker 6 (20:19):
He was still frantic, kind of in shock, still screaming
and losing himself. And I think at that point, I
don't know, one of us requested that we get an
ambulance for him as well.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Did anyone ever tell you not to leave your kids
alone with Lindsay in January of twenty twenty twenty three?
Did Lindsay ever tell you that she wanted to harm
your children? Did she ever tell you she was going
to kill your children?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Ye?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Did you receive a few days after this happened? Did
you receive a phone call from the defendant while she
was at Brigham and Women's Hospital.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I think it was like a week or so after.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, And what did the defendants say at that time
about what had happened with the children?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
She didn't talk about our kids. She talked about what
she went through.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
And what did she say about what she went through?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
She said she heard a man's voice telling her that
if she didn't do it now, she would lose her
chance or something like that.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Did she mention the children at all during that call.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I don't think so, not directly.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Had she ever mentioned psychosis to you before.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
No.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I didn't know what psychosis was until after this happened.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Did she ever tell you she was hearing a man's
voice before.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So he's very composed. He really is from a male perspective.
When I watched this, what I see is is a
guy that's trying to keep it together and they're potentially
being just so much emotionally going on. He seems very subdued, troubled.
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People are saying other things, I would say, some of
Lindsay's supporters, and there actually are a lot saying that
you know, he did it, he's the one that did it,
what have you. We'll get into that. So in the
aftermath of this murder, she was arraigned from her hospital
bed in early February twenty twenty three. In statements after
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the incident, she said she heard a male voice as he,
as her husband, said, telling her to kill the children
and herself because it was her last chance, and described
a moment of psychosis. She has also been reported as
saying things like go to God baby during the acts.
Per civil filings, Patrick Clancy later divorced her. Both Patrick
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and Lindsay filed civil lawsuits against medical providers alleging failures
to in diagnosis, monitoring, medication management, and treatment of her
postpartum conditions. The trial began with jury selection around July
twenty twenty six. The defense folks on lack of criminal
responsibility due to severe mental illness exacerbated by treatment medication issues.
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Prosecutors argue premeditation sending Patrick out to create the opportunity
is one of those examples, and that she acted intentionally.
Evidence has included the nine to one one calls, medical records,
phone searches related to mental health terms and suicide, witness
testimony from family providers and experts, a jury view of
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the home, and more.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
So.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
This is kind of a little bit of her background,
because I think this is kind of interesting. After graduating
from college in twenty twelve with a biology degree, she
attended nursing school in Massachusetts. During nursing school, she was
prescribed the antidepressant prozac, an SSRI and old Bruton. She
reportedly did well on those medications, with the only noted
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side effect being sexual side effects. I'm not sure what
that means. Welbida low libido, Thank you very much. During
the trial, doctor was on the stand and they were
asking this doctor questions because this doctor spoke to Lindsey
shortly after the murders, and this is what that doctor
had to say.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
But in that subsequent conversation that you were a witness to,
where they were speaking on the phone and she told
them about these voices or explained about the voices, did
she ask about the kids?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
She did not. As I recall.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Now, in all of the times over the course of
the last few years that you've met with Mss Clancy,
how many times has she told you since the incident
that she's heard a voice.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
She has not heard voices since the event took place
in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
And you've now testified that over the course of a
period of time that she did hear voices? Right, yes,
And is that based on one of these thirty five
hours worth of conversations you had with her. How do
you know that?
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Well, they were collateral contacts. I spoke to other people.
I spoke to other people who I asked the nature
of their interactions with miss Clancy and it was not
a fishing expedition. I asked them if they can tell
me what happened? Well, but they disclosed part of me.
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So they disclosed information to me that mss Clancy shared
that information with them.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
So who did she tell that she had a voice
that told her to kill herself?
Speaker 8 (25:42):
She spoke to a chaplain named Sheila Kavanaugh who I
spoke with, and Chaplain Cavanaugh told me that missus Clancy
told her that she heard a male voice instructing her
to first kill her children and then to kill herself.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
So the same message that she delivered to Patrick that
day on the phone, you heard from a chaplain at
Brighaman Woman's Hospital after the incident occurred in January of
twenty twenty three. Yes, and so from all of the
records that you reviewed of her treatment and all of
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the interviews with her family, who did she tell that
she heard voices telling them telling her to kill herself?
Speaker 8 (26:35):
I believe she told family members which family members. I
believe she may have said that to her mother. She
I believe told her husband that she felt by killing
herself as well.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
In the records with the providers, you're aware, you've reviewed
them all and you've sat through all of their testimony.
You're aware that when she described intrusive thoughts, she never
referred them referred to them as a voice telling her
to kill herself. Did they did?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
She No, she was referring to it's just a yes
or no no.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
So as far as her reports of these intrusive thoughts
that appear over and over in the notes, you would
agree that it was simply when asked about what they were,
it was simply that she felt like she wanted to die, right, yes,
and it's just yes or no.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So what she's trying to get at there, that's the
prosecution she's trying to get at there, is that there
was no indication prior to the murders that she was
hearing voices that the what she was explaining to people
and conveying to people were more self harm types of
concerns about herself, and that the voices, aspect or I
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should say, scenario didn't come out until afterwards, and it
sounds like it happened once. And aside from that the voices,
there's no other voices talking to her in her head.
So the prosecution is basically trying to make the argument
that this is something that she came up with afterwards.
They also paint this trail when it comes to the
medications and the fact that she wasn't taking some of them,
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had only taken one or two pills. This wasn't the
kind of thing where she was just on this cocktail
for months and months. It changed the chemistry of her brain,
and she acted accordingly according to this kind of malpractice
by these doctors giving her these prescriptions. So they're trying
to basically wipe away her defenses of insanity. And I
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got to say, there's a lot of damning testimony in
that regard that I've seen in this case, where their
argument that she was hopped up on some medication cocktail
and was pleading and pleading for help because she knew
she was going to kill her children beforehand. That isn't
playing out in the testimony or the evidence that the
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prosecution and the defense have been presenting inside this court case.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So if she goes free. She could be out theoretically
and as quick as like six months, right, well.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think actually technically it could even be forty days
is like the longest they can hold her, and then
they put her in for six months hold and then
from then I believe it's every six months to a year,
they kind of recheck on things. Now, the heinousness of
this case would probably preclude somebody that is diagnosing her
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from releasing her immediately, but technically, yes, she can leave
very quickly if she's found it, if she's found innocent.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So the other thing that I find interesting is that
you know, this has happened before, other women killing their children,
but for some reason, this case has caught fire.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I think that is why so many people are talking
about just this case for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
There's a case in North Carolina where a woman killed
one of her kids and then one survive. She's pleading
not guilty by reason in sanity. There's Laden Snelling, a
case in Kentucky, pleads guilty to killing newborn son, stuffing
him in a trash bag. There's Kaylee Earhart case in
North Dakota. She killed two of her children, one survived.
(30:20):
There's also even a male one as well too, Chad
Dorman executed his three sons. I mean, this is something
that's happened time and time again. It appears to happen.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
A lot more often for women, of course.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yes, in women, you're seeing a lot more of these
kinds of cases pop up at the news because party, yes,
exactly so. The fascinating thing about this whole thing has
been the massive support for Lindsay Clancy. And the craziest
part if you look on TikTok and you see nurses
posting support for her. They're posting videos where they are
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in the caption saying same Lindsay, like they're feeling for her.
They feel the same way that Lindsay does the person
that strangled three of her children. Sometimes they're even holding
their children in the video that they're making for TikTok,
saying same Lindsay or me too, Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And some of them are splashing their children they're newborns
with water as they're holding them.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's I think what.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We're so now we're basically seeing women say like same,
I would like to kill my children as well because
I'm going crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And here is some of the conspiracy theories that's going
out there. This is one woman claiming that that Patrick
had done it.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
Patrick Clancy has pissed off the witches, all the witches.
My fyp is full of witches who think who think
Patrick did it?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
You also have celebrities doing this as well too. Of
all people, Lisa Rinna says that Patrick Clancy did it,
all right.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
He did it. Patrick did it. Patrick's the one who
did it, not lindsay Patrick did it. Because you know,
I also heard that women typically don't strangle. So awful
to even say, but that isn't what a woman would do.
(32:10):
They don't strangle. I was actually in therapeutic day and
my therapist and I were talking about it, and she said,
I said, well, what do they do? Will they poison
or I said, or drown them? Like we literally had
that conversation today. And she looks at me and she goes,
he did it, wow, yeah, and now yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That is she has basically said nothing. By the way,
she gave no information other than he did it with
no evidence, no proof.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
The evidence is that a woman doesn't strength.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
By the way, she needs a new psychiatrists, a new therapist,
because that person's also obviously crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
This is somebody that is incredibly has a huge platform,
incredibly well known on this social media platform, making evidence
free accusations. And I guarantee you a lot of people
align with this view I've seen it. I've seen it online,
people aligning with this this viewpoint that this woman could
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not have done it and placing the blame on him.
This is the thing that's fascinating about it. Lindsay Clancy
has admitted to this. It's not even in question, that's
not even part of the case.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No, he did it, that's not No one's saying that
he did it other than people on social media. I mean,
you see just coming to that conclusion exactly, saying.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That it's just it's a completely made up conspiracy theory
based on nothing but feels and vibes. And you have
this Lisa Rena amplifying that message out there. You still
have people out there right now that believe that he
did it and he framed her when she admits to
doing it.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And also women are very upset because apparently he got
married right away after, you know, breaking up with Lindsay.
He found somebody else, and I mean that's neither here.
He did that doesn't mean he did it.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Over a million dollars have been raised from over thirty
thousand donations on GoFundMe for Lindsay's parents to alleviate the
costs of supporting her as parents, which has been kind
of a very troubling thing. And this thing has become
a filter for dating. Now you have women who say
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that they the first thing that they are going to
do is ask their date whether they think that Lindsay
is guilty or not. And if they think that she's guilty,
then they're going to walk away from the dinner immediately.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
No, my new vetting process for if I want to
date a man, first date question, I'm always going to
be asking him do you think that Lindsay Clancy should
go to jail for what she did? And if that
man says yes, I'm getting up and walking out right
then and there. I cannot spend the rest of my
life with someone who thinks that that woman is guilty
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and deserves jail.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
For killing her three kids. Yes, she should go free
because her husband was an asshole.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes, well, or he was framed, or he framed her,
or what have you. Men are using it as well too.
I've seen some posts on social media where a woman
will You could see their text messages to each other
and the woman says, I can't believe you're breaking up
with me over this, and he responds to her, Yes,
I'm going to break up with you if you think
that it is okay and you're supporting a woman that
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has strangled three of her children.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I don't want to believing you.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yes, I don't want anything to do with you. Yes,
So the right.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Move, guys, I think it is the right move. So
you know our thoughts on this. I have so much
that I want to say on this, and I might
piss off some of you guys out there.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Here we go again. You're so good at that.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I view this case as a litmus test. And there
are few cases that come along that are this black
and white, and this Lindsey Clancy case is one of them.
I want to get into that over in part two.
Join us over there right now,
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