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Throwback Thursday: What is cultural appropriation? To find the answer, we tell the story behind the origin of the concept...and a time when your humble co-hosts faced serious bodily injury over cultural appropriation. As is often the case, cultural appropriation may describe an actual behavior…but it’s not the one the media is peddling.

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Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you listen to pop culture news, one phrase comes
up a lot, cultural appropriation. The phrase has become a
staple in the media cultural appropriation.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Cultural appropriation, cultural appropriation.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Kim is being accused of blackfishing and cultural appropriation.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
But as often as we hear the phrase it doesn't
seem to be clearly defined.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Cultural appropriation is when someone adopts a culture that isn't
their own and does not acknowledge or respect of the
culture being used for their own benefits.

Speaker 6 (01:24):
Appropriation occurs when a style leads to racist generalizations or
stereotypes are originated, but is deemed as high fashion, cool,
or funny when the privileged take it for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
With all of this talk about this behavior, what is
cultural appropriation?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm Patrick Currelcy and I'm Adriana Cortez.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
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Speaker 1 (02:15):
Welcome to Red Pilled America.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Cultural appropriation is a phrase that's so widely used by
the media, but it's become a given that it exists.
In fact, it's so established that it's created offshoot behaviors.

Speaker 8 (02:36):
There's an alarming new trend making national headlines that needs
to be addressed. Blackfishing. So blackfishing is when a non
black person pretends to be black on their social media
by culturally appropriating black features in an attempt to gain
followers and attention.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
But as frequently as the phrase is used, the definition
attached to cultural appropriation doesn't seem to match the phenomenon
we're all witnessing.

Speaker 9 (03:04):
So what is it.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
To find the answer, We're going to tell the story
of a time that your Humble co host was accused
of cultural appropriation. Then take a journey to the roots
of the phrase. As with many things we hear in
the news, cultural appropriation may describe an actual behavior, but
it's not the one the meat is peddling.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
At the end of this story, we want your opinion.
Who was right, Adriana or me. It isn't popular when
a man tells a woman how to dress. So I'm
starting off this whole endeavor with a bit of a
handicap because that's what I once did with Adriana. She's
easily the most fashionable woman I've ever met, but on

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this one occasion I stepped in to tell her what
or actually what not to wear. It was a Sunday
early evening in May nineteen ninety three, and I was
on my way with a group of friends to Adriana's
house in West Covina. We were all going to a concert.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And the band was The Diggable Planet. They just released
the hit track The Rebirth of Slick, better known to
most as Cool Like That. The song was a cut
and I loved it. But truth be told, I knew
very little about the band members other than it was
comprised of three people, two guys and a girl. I
knew nothing about their backgrounds, and frankly I didn't care.

(04:26):
What was there to know. They had a funky, fresh
hit and I was going to go see them perform.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Fashion played a big role in our lives at the time,
and my crew of guys had a particular look. Our
uniform consisted of baggy jeans and a tight fifties polyester
shirt we'd pick up at one of the vintage clothing
shops on Melrose in Hollywood. We'd close it out with
a customed stitched baseball cap and some Nike sneakers. The
ensemble wasn't a mainstream fashion trend, but it was our

(04:54):
own look. We didn't have much money, so we had
to get creative to stand out, and this look did
the trick. Adriana had a much wider palette, so I
didn't ever really know what to expect from her.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
We were young and in love, and I always made
an effort to look extra cute on our dates. I
really wanted to wear something that would knock Patrick's socks off,
something that he'd never seen me wear before. That meant
I needed a new outfit, So the week leading up
to the concert, I planned on hitting up the local
mall to buy something that would make me look funky, fresh,
dressed to impress, ready to party. But I was busy

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with school, homework, and a full time job. Before I
knew it, it was the morning before the Diggable Planet's
concert and I still didn't have anything new to wear.
I woke up that Sunday morning determined to get something
new that day. Problem was I didn't have a lot
of money. But then I remembered that Judy's was going
out of business and having an everything must go sale.

(05:51):
Judy's was a trendy retail chain of the time that
sold super cute women's wear and accessories. I always liked
shopping there, but most of the time it was slightly
out of my budget. But with this going out of
business sale, I was sure to find the perfect outfit
for the concert. So I hopped into my Vintage three
twenty I and headed to the mall. As I drove,

(06:12):
I daydreamed about showing my friends all the cute things
I bought at Judy's. I got this skirt distress, two
pairs of earrings, YadA, YadA, YadA, and all for forty dollars.
I pulled up to the mall and walked into Judy's
with dreams of fashion euphoria dancing in my head. But
the dreams soon became a dystopian nightmare. I couldn't believe

(06:34):
what I was seeing. The place looked ransacked, sort of
like BLM had just peacefully protested through the joint and
confiscated all the good stuff. It was slim pickens, Hmmm.
After making several rounds in the store, it was clear
that there wasn't one single item of clothing that would
work for me, so in desperation, I headed over to

(06:57):
the last frontier the accessories there, and that's when I
spotted it. A cream colored crochet hat of sorts It
was beautiful, delicate and feminine, yet still edgy. It had
that bohemian chic vibe that I liked so much, so

(07:21):
I tried it on and it was much more fitted
than I had anticipated. It was basically a skull cap.
I'd have to do something about my poofy, curly hair
to make it work, but it wasn't anything a little
gel couldn't handle. I made my way over to the
cash register to make the purchase. It'll be thirty seven
eighty nine, thirty seven dollars, I asked, in bewilderment. I mean,

(07:46):
this thing was tiny, and that seemed like a whole
lot of money for.

Speaker 10 (07:49):
What it was.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I tried making a joke to hide my sticker shock.
The loincloth of a small man is ten times the
size of this thing. I'm a jiggy. It's thirty seven
eight nine. I stood there for a second thinking about it,
but then the girl behind me.

Speaker 11 (08:05):
Said, I'll take it if you don't want.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
It, and that's when I knew what I had to do. No,
I'm getting it, here you go, I smiled as I
handed the cashier two twenty dollars bills. It cleaned me out,
but I convinced myself that I couldn't miss out on
this amazing opportunity. This was an item that was clearly
in high demand, and this sort of kind of a

(08:28):
hat from Judy's was on sale. Practically a steal, I
said to myself. I rushed home from duties to get
ready because Patrick would be picking me up soon, and
per usual, I was running late. I just knew that
he was gonna love mine new fitted hat. I didn't
have a lot of time, so I needed to work quickly.
Since the hat was crocheted, it had small areas where

(08:50):
you'd be able to see my hair underneath. I have
curly hair, which tends to frizz easily, especially when it's
hot and humid, sort of like it is inside of
a concert.

Speaker 12 (09:00):
You.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I had to make sure that my hair didn't start
wiggling its way out of the crochet holes and make
me look like some lunatic who'd stuck her finger in
a light socket. So I took a big glob of
my brother's gel. He used the kind of stuff that

(09:21):
turned hair into rock, and I slicked my hair back
into a low ponytail. I thought I sort of looked
like one of those Babes from Robert Palmer's Addicted to
Love video. For extra measure, I generously sprayed extra strongholding
hair spray. Then I put on my new cute hat
from Judy's I was so pleased with my look for

(09:42):
the night, I couldn't wait for my boyfriend to see it.
Perfect timing, Patrick had arrived to pick me up. I
enthusiastically opened the door, then stood there with a big
grin on my face, waiting for him to shower me
with compliments about how cute.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I My mouth dropped. Adriana's cute hat was a kufee.
For those that aren't familiar with the term, a kuffee
is a brimless skull cap. It's often rounded to the
contour of ukrainium, crocheted, and covers the top portion of
the head. The thing may have looked like just a
form fitted beanie, but it had other cultural meaning. In America,

(10:21):
coufis are known as African headdresses for men, and in
particular Muslim men. Now, this was a problem at the time.
In the early nineties, there was a big movement happening
in black music. An offshoot of the Nation of Islam
had infiltrated hip hop. They called themselves the five Percenters.

(10:47):
The five Percenters were and are a black nationalist religious
sect that follows a form of Islam that believes that
eighty five percent of the people live in economic and
psychological oppression. Ten percent of people are the white elites
that keeps the truth from the eighty five percent in
order to control them, and the remaining five percent are
an enlightened group of blacks tasked with awakening the eighty

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five percent. They are the five Percenters. It was an
aggressive movement, and many of the hip hop artists of
the time incorporated these Islamic beliefs into their lyrics. Groups
like Public Enemy, The Poor, Righteous Teachers, Buster Rhymes, and
Brand Nubian align their music with this movement.

Speaker 10 (11:29):
The features the Black Man as the five Percenters saturated

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the early nineteen nineties hip hop community.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
The band that Adrian and I were going to go
see we're not openly five percenters, but because of the
prominence of this movement in hip hop at the time,
the Diggible Planets would no doubt attract a fair amount
of this Islamic crowd to their concert. So when I
saw Adriana wearing what many would think was a traditionally
Islamic head dress. My first thought was big mistake. So

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I said to Adriana, You're not wearing that coofee to
the concert? Are you?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
What's kofe?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
What do you have on your head?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
This is from Judy's. It's not a koofe whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
You can't wear that to the Diggible Planets concert.

Speaker 10 (12:35):
Honey, excuse me.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
It was very much a oh no, he didn't moment.
I could not believe it. He had another thing coming
if he thought for one second that he could control
what I was or wasn't going to wear. Yeah, I'm
wearing this. It's cute and I like it. I don't
care if you or anybody else for that matter, doesn't
like it, because I like it. I got it from Judy's.

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Patrick tried in vain to convince me not to wear
the hat, but the more he talked, the angrier I became,
Who the hell does this guy think he is? I
paid good money for this hat, thirty seven dollars, and
I'm wearing it. He gave me some cocamany spiel about
there possibly being a lot of Muslims people at the concert,

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and they likely wouldn't like me wearing a cooffee. It's
not a kofe. I got it at Judy's, I yelled
at him. After several minutes of fighting me, he realized
this was not an argument he was gonna win, and
he gave up.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I mean, listen, I agreed with Adriana. She should have
been able to wear whatever she wanted. We live in America,
but I thought of it like wearing an all red
outfit to a party thrown by the crips, who were
all blue and view the red wearing bloods as their
mortal enemy. It may just be a color, but it's
a color that'll get you killed. Adriana insisted that it

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was not a koofy. It was just a hat she
got from Judy's. And when it came to fashion, I
didn't and don't have much to say in what Adriana wears.
She wasn't taking it off, so I thought maybe this
was going to be one of those times where you
smile and let someone learn from experience. So we jumped
to my VW golf and headed out to Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
It was a tense drive to the concert.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
I couldn't get over the fact that.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I'd been bamboozled into dating a male chauvinist.

Speaker 10 (14:32):
This is a deadhead.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
There's no future with this guy, I thought to myself,
I'd have to beat the misogyny right out of him
if this relationship was gonna work. As we got closer
to the concert, the mood started to lighten as the
excitement for the show started to settle in.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
The concert was at a famed place called The Palace,
which was once an old TV studio from the nineteen sixties.
It had since been converted to a live venue that
fit about fifteen hundred people. We walked up to the show,
I'd be lying if I didn't say that I was
a bit on edge. What most young women don't really
grasp is that when they caused turmoil in the public,

(15:09):
it often escalates to violence because their boyfriend has to
get involved, and at the time, I was not exactly
the most even tempered young man. A year earlier, I
shut down a concert when rapper Markie Mark better known
today as Mark Wahlberg, pulled Adriana up on stage. That night,
Adriana was wearing a sexy boostier and Marky Mark fell

(15:31):
in love with her. At first sight. Within a few seconds,
I caused a violent scene and shut down the concert.
Now it was just one year later, and once again
the piece of Adriana's clothing had the potential to create trouble.
You see, I was no stranger to the Muslim community.
A few of the guys and our crew were actually Muslims,
and they were some of the nicest, most peaceful people

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I'd ever met. But the five percenters were something different,
especially if a non believer was wearing something that they
viewed as safe. Black nationalism mixed with the aggression of
the time did not make for a peaceful combo, and
I knew they weren't gonna like Adriana, a Mexican wearing
a koofe. The concert started at eight pm. We got

(16:20):
there a little early and the crowd was just starting
to trickle in. We made our way over to the bar,
and as we did, I began scanning the crowd looking
for possible five percenter clicks that could be problematic. We'd
been there maybe ten minutes, just long enough to start

(16:43):
dancing to the music. The DJ was spinning when it happened.
A guy walked up to Adriana and asked, are you Muslim.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I should have looked at the guy and said asam
alama lakeum. I kept it moving, but in true aj style,
I went with the sass instead. Not that it's any
of your business, but I'm Catholic. You want me to
say in our father for you, I responded.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It was clear the guy didn't like her response, and
he was there with a few others who looked on.
All I could think was here we go. If you're
not a Muslim, then you shouldn't be wearing that kofee.
The guy snapped back.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's not a coofee. I got it at Judy's I
could see Patrick in my peripheral view shaking his head.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
What Adriana was being accused of in that moment was
what we know today as cultural appropriation, and it was
a concept that had recently made its way out of
the college campuses and onto the street. The phrase cultural
appropriation is actually thought to have been first used in

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a nineteen forty five essay by American literature professor Arthur E.

Speaker 10 (17:49):
Christie.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
He used it to describe how Western civilization writers were
taking some of the mysticism found in quote Oriental literature
and infusing it within their work. The idea didn't gain
a wide audience until the early nineteen seventies.

Speaker 11 (18:04):
Say that those nominated for the Best Performance by an
Actor are Marlon Brando in The Godfather.

Speaker 13 (18:11):
The winner is Marlon Brande in The Godfather.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
At the nineteen seventy three Academy Awards, a global audience
was introduced to a movement that was in the making.

Speaker 12 (18:22):
Hello, my name is Sasheen Little Feather. I'm APACHE and
I am president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee.
I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, and he has asked
me to tell you in a very long speech which
I cannot share with you presently because of time, but

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I will be glad to share with the press afterwards,
that he very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award,
and the reasons for this being are the treatment of
a American Indians today by the film industry excuse me,

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and on television in movie reruns, and also with recent
happenings that wounded me. I beg at this time that
I have not intruded upon this evening, and that we
will in the future, our hearts and our understandings will
meet with love and generosity, Thank you on behalf of

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Marlon Brando.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Actor Marlon Brando had a history of taking up social causes,
but never on the Oscar stage. Now he was using
his platform to argue that the Hollywood colonizers were profiting
from creating negative images of Native Americans. It was the
beginnings of the cultural appropriation argument. Later in the night,
actor Clin Eastwood presented the award for Best Picture when

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he decided to take a jab at Brande's stunt.

Speaker 10 (20:01):
I don't know if I should present this award on
behalf of all the cowboys shot in all of john
Ford Westerns over the years.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
By the mid nineteen seventies, British artist and art historian
Kenneth Cote Smith helped evolve the concept of cultural appropriation
in an essay entitled Some General Observations on the Problem
of Cultural Colonialism. In it, he melts colonialism with the
Marxist concept of class appropriation, where the elites appropriate art

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from the lower class than redefined it as high culture.
The result was what he termed cultural colonialism. In this process,
Kenneth Cote Smith argued that the bourgeois acquired the cultural
property of the lower class to perpetuate their privileged class.
This argument that certain things can be the property of
another culture is one that would come into play in

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the decades that followed. He argued that further research and
analysis was needed in this area. Academics further developed this
concept except in the nineteen eighties, but even as late
as nineteen eighty seven, the term cultural appropriation hadn't yet
made its way into the Random House Dictionary of the
English Language. However, behind the scenes, American Indians were developing

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the narrative underpinning the concept, and they were about to
go after some low hanging fruit.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
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a stand today. Welcome back to red Pilled America. So
as late as nineteen eighty seven, the term cultural appropriation
hadn't yet made its way into the Random House Dictionary
of the English Language. However, behind the scenes, American Indians
were developing the narrative underpinning the concept, and they were
about to go after some low hanging fruit. Enter Suzanne

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Showon Harjo, a poet and Native American rights activist. In
the nineteen eighties, Harjo began an effort to pressure the
NFL franchise known at the time as the Redskins, to
drop its name, claiming American Indian symbols were the cultural
property of her people that should not be appropriated by
non Native Americans. She also felt that redskins was a
racist term that had life or death implications for her people.

(23:20):
In a two thousand and one speech, she highlighted the problem.

Speaker 14 (23:23):
Our Native teenagers have the highest rate of suicide and
suicide attempts in the United States of any segment of
American society bar none. Part of that comes from low
self esteem, and part of that comes from this bombardment
of negative images and belittling and being written out of

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history and written wrongly about and presented in stereotypic ways.
So our very humanity is in question. That's one reason
we want all of this eliminated, not just the R word,
although that's an excellent start. We want all the Native
images eliminated from sports. In the nineteen sixties, when this

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movement began, there were over three thousand of these Native
references and schools across the country. Now there are fewer
than fifteen hundred. That's a tremendous gain in fewer than
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
So in the nineteen eighties, Harjo tried meeting with the
then owner of the Redskins, a guy named Jack Kent Cook,
but she had no luck. The team's earlier name was
the Indian themed Boston Braves, but the city had a
baseball team with the same name. As the story goes,
he changed the name to the Boston Redskins to retain
the team's Indian imagery and honor their coach, who identified

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as a Native American. The team would later move to Washington,
d c. The word redskin even appeared to come from
the Native Americans themselves. According to a Smithsonian linguist, eighteenth
century European settlers appeared to have adopted the term from
Native Americans, who referred to themselves as Redskins. Also, the
redskin Head logo at the time was created by Walter

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Blackie Wetzel, the one time president of the National Congress
of American Indians the nineteen eighties. Owner of the Redskins
felt there was no malice in the name and logo
and wouldn't meet with Harjo. The issue went quiet until
the early nineteen nineties when Harjo got a call.

Speaker 14 (25:32):
A young lawyer from Minnesota named Stephen Baird, who worked
with a law firm named Dorsey and Whitney, called up
and asked if I would meet with him. He had
done a Lexus search and my name kept popping up
on this issue. So my name popped up here and there,
and Steve Baird wanted to interview me for his law

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journal article about the US Patent and Trademark Board Act.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
The Lanham Act is a nineteen forty statute that governs
whether a trademark is or isn't registered by the federal government.

Speaker 14 (26:07):
So eventually we got together and he asked me two questions.
The first was, why did you reject the US Patent
and Trademark Board as a forum for getting rid of
this name? I said, well, we didn't know about it, actually,
hadn't thought about it. Tell me more. And he said, well,
why did you reject the Lanham Act as a cause

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of action? I said, I don't know what the Lanham
Act is. Tell me more. And it basically has a
four prong test. Does something an image or a name,
hold a group or another person up to ridicule? Does
it hold people up to contempt? Is it disparaging? Is
it scandalous? So by the end of his taking me

(26:50):
to school on the law, I asked him if he
would be my lawyer in the matter, and he said yes,
and we went on from there.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
So in nineteen ninety two, Harjo along with a group
of Native Americans, filed a petition to the United States
Patent and Trade Office requesting all of the Redskins trademarks
be revoked. Stunningly, in April nineteen ninety nine, the US
Patent and Trademark Office sided with Harjoe, finding that the
name was disparaging to Native Americans. The board ordered the

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cancelation of seven Redskins trademarks, including the team's name and
Indian head logo. But the fight was just getting started
at the time. The Redskins came under new ownership. Businessman
Dan Snyder purchased the team for a reported seven hundred

(27:41):
and fifty million dollars. It was a record amount at
the time, and he wasn't about to let the name
of his prize go. He cited the history of the
name and logo and the tradition of the team. Snyder
vowed to keep the name. He appealed the decision, and
in two thousand and three, a federal judge overturned the
nineteen ninety nine ruling revoking the Redskins trademark. The judge

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found that there was quote insufficient evidence to conclude that
the name was disparaging to American Indians, but Harjo and
her team continued to press the issue. They filed an appeal,
and in two thousand and five, the DC Court of
Appeals revived the case, giving Harjo another chance to prove
the Redskins trademarks was disparaging to American Indians. In a

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seemingly coordinated effort, later that year, the American Psychological Association
issued a finding.

Speaker 15 (28:28):
The American Psychological Association came out and said there needs
to be an immediate ban and abolishment of Native American
mascots because it has been proven to harm the mental
health and stability of kids, and not just Native kids,
but all kids.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
But ultimately, the appeals court decided that Harjo and her
co plaintiffs had waited too long to file their suit,
using the legal doctrine known as latches. So Harjo and
her group pressed the case to the highest court, and
in two thousand and nine, the Supreme Court refused to
hear the case, leaving the lower court's decision to stand
the issue to come to a conclusion. That is until

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twenty thirteen, when a young group of American Indians, trying
to avoid the latches issue faced by Harjo's case, filed
a new lawsuit again, petitioning to strip the Redskins federal
trademark rights. The Redskins had to start the process all over.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
That's when the media began putting their finger on the scale.
The far left Slate magazine announced they'd no longer be
referring to the Redskins by their name. Instead, they'd call
them the Washington DC football team, the New Republic. Mother Jones,
the Washington City Paper, the Kansas City Star, and football
writers at the Buffalo News and Philadelphia Daily News followed suit.

(29:43):
Protesters took to the stadiums to amp up the pressure.

Speaker 13 (29:47):
We're here to help the Washington team to get an education.
They need to learn that Indian mascots and logos are
harmful to all of our children, and it's time to
remove what this kind of stereotyping from our society.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
At the time, in twenty thirteen, America was in the
throes of a new racial tension, and the person that
helped instigate the turmoil stepped in to give his two
cents on the Redskins name issue.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
Obviously, people get pretty attached to team names, mascots. You know,
I don't think there are any Redskins fans that mean offense.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
President Obama was about to make the issue go nuclear.

Speaker 11 (30:26):
I've got to say, if I were the owner of
the team, and I knew that there was a name
of my team, even if it had a storied history
that was offending a sizeable group of people, I think
about changing it. You know, I think of all these
mascots and team names related to Native Americans. Native Americans

(30:48):
feel pretty strongly about it, and I don't know whether
our attachment to a particular name should override the real,
legitimate concerns that people have about these things.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
The comment sent the media into overdrive.

Speaker 16 (31:04):
Even President Obama has weighed in saying, hey, thinks the
name should be changed.

Speaker 17 (31:12):
The way to gauge if it's offensive enough, right is
to walk into a bar full of Native Americans and
yell out Redskins.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Here's what's going to happen. You're going to be beaten
up near to near death.

Speaker 16 (31:23):
Right, So it's offensive.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
If it's offensive, and it clearly is offensive to a
group of people, I mean, you've got to look.

Speaker 18 (31:29):
At changing.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Feeling the pressure NFL leadership decided to take an action.

Speaker 19 (31:35):
The NFL is now eight weeks into its season, and
pressure continues to mount on the Washington Redskins to change
their name, which many consider racist. This week there's a
big meeting between the NFL and an angry tribal nation.

Speaker 16 (31:48):
After tribal leaders first requested a meeting with league officials.
In early October, Redskins owner Dan Snighter issued a letter
to fans, calling the name part of the football team's heritage.
He writes, I respect the feelings of those who are
offended by the team name, but I hope such individuals
also try to respect what the name means. Snyder also
says he has the support of ninety percent of Native Americans.

Speaker 18 (32:10):
The name of our team.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Is the name of our team, and it represents honored,
represents pride, it represents respect. Snyder, who bought the franchise
in nineteen ninety nine, has long resisted calls to alter
the name, claiming it honors Native American heritage, even telling
USA Today in twenty thirteen, quote, will never change the name.

(32:34):
It's that simple.

Speaker 9 (32:35):
Never.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
You can use caps.

Speaker 20 (32:37):
In his mind, he believes he's never going to change
the nickname. But the world around him is starting to
cave in.

Speaker 16 (32:42):
Other teams across the country with controversial mascots will likely
be impacted by what happens with the Redskin.

Speaker 20 (32:49):
When Washington's name changes. I think these others will be
examined and looked at, and I think one by one,
Domino's will fall.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And that prediction would prove to be prescient. As the
Redskins owner was fielding a constant barrage of attacks both
in the media and buy American Indian protesters at their games,
the US Patent and Trademark Office made their decision on
the second case challenging the validity of the Redskins trademarks.

Speaker 17 (33:15):
It might be time for the Washington Redskins to start
brainstorming new team names. The US Patent Office canceling the
team's trademarks to day saying the Redskins name is disparaging
to Native Americans.

Speaker 21 (33:25):
Dan Snyder saw that, and even he saw the writing
on the wall that went with it. At some point,
a trademarking needs for his business, A business worth hundreds
of millions of dollars is going to expire, and unless
things changed drammatically, the Office is not good to grant
him a new one.

Speaker 22 (33:39):
You think about it. If the team makes a lot
of money off licensing the use of their name and
their logo, on merchandise and in other ways. If this
decision stands in the federal court does not intervene and
change the outcome, then that money that they're getting from
the use of all of their name and the merchandise
and so forth, that will dry up. That would be very,
very to the team.

Speaker 17 (34:01):
But there are all kinds of companies, schools, products, that
kind of thing with similar names. What does this mean
for that?

Speaker 22 (34:07):
So if you have a name like this, and you're
a school, you're a ski resort like Squad Valley, for example,
you are going to be concerned about this ruling. If
number one, you've registered as a trademark your name. Number
two you care about having the exclusive right to use
that name for what you do, and or three you

(34:27):
want to make money by licensing the name. If you
fit into those categories, then you're a little concerned about this.
But as we said, the outcomes far from certain. This
is set up to be a battle royale. It's essentially
power in Washington against the money. It's not clear how
it will turn out, but a lot of people are watching.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
As the outcome of the controversy appeared certain, President Obama
honored Native American activists Susan Shoan Harjo with the Presidential
Medal of Freedom. The fury over sports teams so called
appropriation American Indian culture, spread to other teams. The Kansas
City Chiefs and the Atlanta Braves began to feel the heat,

(35:07):
and tempers erupted outside the Cleveland Indians games.

Speaker 7 (35:11):
Change the name of your baseball team and change the logo.
Go try it's a caricature. Get a rag, get up,
you think everybody? You think any Irish person rags in
an other name logo.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
As the controversy over cultural appropriation appeared to be reaching
an apex, the Supreme Court announced the decision that would
put an end to the entire legal debate.

Speaker 18 (35:44):
The Redskins have this rock band to think the Slants.
They've been fighting eight years, ever since the US Patent
and Trademark Office refused their name on the basis that
it was offensive.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
In June twenty seventeen, the Supreme Court ruled that the
offensive provision of the Landham Act was unconstitutional.

Speaker 18 (36:03):
The vote was unanimous. Just as Samuel Alito said, it's
not up to that government office to limit speech. It
would constitute quote, a huge and dangerous extension of the
government speech doctrine. So what does this mean for the Redskins?
Their case is very similar.

Speaker 23 (36:18):
The Supreme Court decision is clear that trademarks are private speech,
not government speech. I don't see how the team loses
after this case.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
The Indian plaintiffs in the trademark lawsuit soon announced that
they'd be dropping their case against the Redskins. The football
team had won the legal battle.

Speaker 23 (36:35):
Er Dan Snyder said he was thrilled today a Supreme
Court decision will be a game changer for football team's
fight to keep its name.

Speaker 18 (36:43):
As for the Redskins, while legally the win is on
their side, the moral case isn't exactly a touchdown.

Speaker 23 (36:49):
To the extent people are not happy with the name,
and there are a lot of people are that way.
You're gonna have to rely on public pressure and sort
of court of public opinion to prevent this name from
continuing to be used.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
And that public pressure would come. In twenty twenty, the
horrible attacks on October seventh left not only the people
in Israel horrified, but also those of US here in
the United States and all around the world. At our PA,

(37:21):
we care deeply about the innocent lives being put in
jeopardy over the horrors of October seventh. We have partnered
with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to help
address the urgent needs of Israeli people on the ground
who are living with the harsh reality of terror every
single day. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families
being impacted by this tragedy. For the month of June,

(37:44):
we are asking our audience to help by signing a
pledge which will be delivered to the President of Israel
to show that Christians in America are not only standing
in solidarity with the innocent lives impacted by the events
of October seventh, but that they are speaking up to
Let's take a stand today with the International Fellowship of
Christians and Jews to let the Jewish people know that

(38:07):
they are not alone. To sign the pledge, go to
support IFCJ dot org. Support IFCJ dot org to take
a stand today.

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Speaker 2 (38:33):
Welcome back to red Pilled America. So after the Supreme
Court ruled that the offensive provision of the Landamak was unconstitutional,
the Redskins had finally won the legal battle over their
name and logo.

Speaker 23 (38:44):
To the extent people are not happy with the name,
and there are a lot of people are that way.
You're gonna have to rely on public pressure and sort
of court of public opinion to prevent this name from
continuing to be used.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
And that public pressure would come.

Speaker 9 (39:01):
In twenty twenty, overnight, Minneapolis on fire, the protesters leaving
an auto park store in flames MOUs others seen looting
a local target. They gathered hours before, furious that the
Delta forty six year old George Floyd.

Speaker 16 (39:23):
When is there really golf changed?

Speaker 10 (39:25):
When is the really golf FOSSi?

Speaker 9 (39:27):
The outrage building nationwide.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
With the death of George Floyd and the rise of BLM,
a new kind of pressure was unleashed on the Washington Redskins.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
One of the original NFL teams, under mounting pressure to
change its controversial name. The Washington Redskins facing a new
corporate and political push to scrap its name, widely viewed
as a racial slur against Native Americans. FedEx, which owns
the naming rights for the team's home stadium, requesting that
the name given to the team in nineteen thirty three

(39:57):
become a thing of the past. In a one sentence
statement that Delivery Giant, writing, we have communicated to the
team in Washington our requests that they changed the team
name overnight, Nike appearing to remove all of the team's
merchandise from its online store.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Washington DC lawmakers also announced that the team could not
relocate a new stadium if they didn't change their name.
The political campaign against the Redskins that started in the
nineteen eighties had finally reached a tipping point.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
One of the most controversial team names in sports history
is being removed.

Speaker 19 (40:29):
Tonight, Washington's NFL team, buckling under pressure, dropping the Redskins
name and logo.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
In the months that followed, others fell in line.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
It was a common sight every opening day and at
baseball games throughout the season, a small, relentless group of
people would gather in protest, calling for the Indians to
drop Chief Wahoo and find a new team name.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
We're going to continue to keep coming out here until
it's eliminated, and finally that day has come.

Speaker 24 (40:55):
The Kansas City Chiefs will not be changing their name
anytime soon. The organization president said, they are keeping it,
but they are retiring their mascot, a horse named Warpaint.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
The cultural appropriation bloodgates had opened. The Native American activists
understood that politics is downstream of culture. They had an
almost complete victory.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
When Adriana was asked at the Diggable Planet's concert if
she was a Muslim, she answered, with her signature flair.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Not that it's any of your business, but I'm Catholic.
You want me to say an our father for you.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
If you're not a Muslim, then you shouldn't be wearing
a cooffee. The guy responded, it's not a kofe.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I got it at Judy's.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
The two had in exchange for what seemed like a
minute or so. Adriana made her case while I surveyed
the building audience. As usual, she wasn't backing down.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I did not appreciate this guy trying to tell me
what to do or patrick with that. I told you so.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Look on his face but in the end, I think
we both saw the writing on the wall. I may
have shut down a clubby a year earlier with a
fit of rage, but one look at the building crowd
and it was easy to see that we were wildly outnumbered.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So against my better judgment, I went to the bathroom
and took off my adorable Judy's hat and tried to
fix the gel saturated mess that was my hair underneath it.
To this day, I maintained that I was right, even
though Patrick's prediction ended up coming true, and if I
had to do it over again, I would have rather
left the concert than take off the cute Judy's hat.

(42:30):
It was definitely not a.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Koofy, which leads us back to the question what is
cultural appropriation. Cultural appropriation is nothing but a power grab,

(42:56):
carefully crafted by ethnic groups that have adopted a victim ideology,
and it's used to keep their perceived opponents constantly on
the defense. If we were to follow their twisted concept
that cultural elements can only be used by the culture
that created them, that only whites could skateboard, play baseball,
and basketball because each was invented by a white person,

(43:17):
that would of course be wrong when the Native Americans
began their attack on the Redskins. Aside from a small
group of activists, there was no hue and cry about
the name. They claimed their Native teenagers had the highest
rate of suicide in the United States, and they tied
that statistic directly to Native American references in sports. But
from nineteen ninety nine to twenty seventeen, after American Indian

(43:40):
references had been drastically reduced in schools and sports, the
CDC reported that the suicide rate increased among Native Americans
by as much as one hundred and thirty nine percent.
It's almost as if the fight over cultural appropriation had
nothing to do with what the activists were claiming, and.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
That's because it didn't. Cultural appropriation is nothing but a
power grab by victim groups that want advantages embedded into
the law. So if you're going to put a coofee on,
keep it on in the face of their attacks, or
they'll continue to cry victim until they get their way.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
The larger question I think that we have to wrestle
with in this conversation about cultural appropriation is how do
we change the rules in Hollywood and throughout many industries.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
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