July 10, 2026 • 44 mins
Why do Democrats always seem to get what they want? To find the answer, we tell the story of how Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar and his Chief of Staff Thomas Van Flein arrived in the nation’s capital. These two American patriots each faced unprecedented attacks from the Left…and came out with a valuable lesson.
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This episode was originally broadcast on August two, twenty twenty.
(00:27):
You can't always get what you want, that is, unless
you're a Democrat. For some reason, the left always seems
to get exactly what they're aiming for. If they want
to shut down of the economy, they get it today.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm issuing a stay home, Stay Safe executive order.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
If they want to paint the streets, Democrats somehow make
it happen.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The street along New York City's Fifth Avenue in front
of Trump Tower.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Is closed to traffic today as the words black Lives
Matter are painted on the President's doorstep.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Essentially, And if they want players to take a knee,
the millionaires comply, players and coaches from the New York
Yankees and Washington Nationals taking a knee. Why is that?
Why do democrats always seem to get what they want?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I'm Patrick Carrelci and I'm Adriana Cortez and this is
Red Pilled America, a storytelling show. This is not another
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telling stories.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Stories. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:36):
You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,
and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. It's hard to deny that the Democrats
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always seem to get what they want. Sure, they didn't
get their way when Trump became president, but even when
they're out of power, the Left seems to find a
way to deliver for their base, whether it be Obamacare,
gay marriage, massive illegal immigration, censoring conservatives, all the important
stuff seems to turn in their favor. Why is that?
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Why do Democrats always seem to get what they want.
To find the answer, we're going to hear the story
of Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar and his chief of staff
Thomas van Flyin, two American patriots that arrived in DC
on a red wave that was hell bent unchanging the
status quo. Throughout their journey, they've racked up some wins
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against the democrats smear machine and have learned a thing
or two about how they operate.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Paul Gosar is one of the few Republican congressmen in
America that gets things done while managing to keep his
boots clean of the Washington, d C. Swamp. But that
doesn't mean he hasn't had some mud slung his way.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I was blindsided, to be very honest with you. That's Paul,
one of my colleagues from the Democratic side. We were
waiting at the airport and he said, just want to
let you know you're tough enough to take it, but
there's a video coming and that's all he said. And
then the video comes out, and to say I was
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upset would be an understatement.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Paul had to learn the hard way about the links
to which the Democrats will go to win. Yet through
it all, him and his team have figured out a
way to rack up a few ws themselves. His road
to our nation's capital looks a lot like our founders intended.
He grew up in a small town in Wyoming called Rock.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Springs Town that never when I was there, never was
more than about nine hundred people. It's on the headwaters
of the Green River.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Paul's household was a significant percentage of the city's population.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I come from a big family. I'm the first of
ten kids, a bunch of overachievers.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Paul ties his family success us to the household's dynamic.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I've got two parents. My mom was a former teacher
that decided to stay home raise a family and helped
teach us at home after school from the public school districts.
My dad was a geologist, and he was not the
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average geologist. Most geologists would do one well at a time.
That guy would do three or four at a time.
So he was kind of a crazy man. And we
were raised that, you know, don't let anything stop you.
We were also very athletic, so we bounced on each
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other over and over again. And I think that that's
what made us achieve, was the competition within the house,
whether it be from breakfast getting up to breakfast, knowing
that you know, when breakfast was served, a few aren't there,
you weren't going to get anything, and then you'd have
to wait till lunch.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
As an athletic kid, Paul's dreams mirrored many boys of
the time. He wanted to play college football, then go
on to be the next Fran Tarkenton, the famed quarterback
of the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And so I had a dear uncle, my mom's brother,
who was a dentist, and he kept coming to me saying,
what do you want to do with your life? And
my dad, as I told you, was always on the rigs,
and so he made every attempt to see our ballgames.
But my uncle was always there kind of mentoring us.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It was a relationship that would make a deep impact
on Paul's career path. A few games into his varsity
season of high school football, Paul broke his arm, dashing
his NFL dreams in search of an new way forward.
There was something about his uncle's work as a dentist
that caught.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
His eye, and I kind of liked the way that
he had the ability to treat people, to be part
of the culture, part of the community, and be part
of his kids' lives.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
When it came time for college, Paul's mom was worried
about him attending the University of Wyoming because she'd seen
too many kids get caught up in the party atmosphere there.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So long story short, I actually decided to go to
Creyton to get my mom off my back.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
While at Creighton, he oscillated between medicine and dentistry until
he settled on his uncle's line of work, largely because
of the freedom it would.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Afford him, and finally chose dentistry because I thought that
if I went into medicine, that would be the only
thing I could do in my life, because I would
put everything behind it. So I went into dentistry and
never looked back.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
By his senior year in college, he began thinking about
where he wanted to put down roots.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I was still single. I just did not want to
come back to Rock Springs, Wyoming. If you've ever been
to Rock Springs, Wyoming, great people, but not kind of
a place I wanted to live. So my dad heard
me talk to my uncle that I wasn't coming back
to Rock Springs, and my dad said to me, said, listen,
as much as I'd love to have you come back
to Wyoming, I think we're going to have a crash
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in our minerals and energy and that wouldn't be a
good time for you to be owning a practice or
trying to get your business off the ground.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Paul took his father's advice and began writing letters to
Dennis practices outside of his hometown. That's when his mom
got her two cents in.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
She goes, listen, your dad and I went through this
town called Flagstaff on our way to on our honeymoon
to Mexico. A lot of trees. You'd love it. I
love trees, I love planting, I love working outdoors.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
So he wrote a man with an office in the area,
and his chance would have it. He was looking to
sell his practice.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I made arrangements to fly out there and take
the Greyhound bus up to Flagstaff during spring break. And
the practice wasn't for me.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
So he headed to Phoenix to one of the dentistry
supply companies and he met someone there that could help,
a guy.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
From Wyoming that knew my uncle, and he said, hey,
you like that flag Staff area And I said, yeah,
but that practice that He said, oh, there's another one.
So there's a guy that's doing a satellite office with
one chair and his wife is in dental school and
they're not making it and the bank's probably going to
repoe it. You're interested, I'll let you know, and lo
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and behold, I ended up daling this guy out before
he was repoted.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Paul made the move to Flagstaff in nineteen eighty five.
He settled in got married, and him and his wife, Maud,
eventually had three kids. Like his uncle, Paul enjoyed the
freedom the dentistry offered.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, but I was always very talented in art, very
talented with my hands, and the Good Lord has given
me some great eyes and shapes. So dentistry was a
real fun adventure. But I also got involved in the
politics of dentistry.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
When Paul was young. He remembers his dad being chairman
for the Republican Party in his area.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And so we actually got to see sena and folks
at the local, state and county levels. So we're always
told to be part of that, and so in Arizona
I started in the dental realms. I pretty much held
every position that they have, from local president on our
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constituent level, all the way to the state and then
to the council and government affairs, to the American Dental Association,
where I represented seven states.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Then in two thousand and eight, through his involvement with
the association, Paul was introduced to an issue that would
eventually change the direction of his life. Forever more after
the break.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Welcome Back. So by two thousand and eight, Paul Gosar
had built a successful practice and was getting more and
more involved in the politics of the dental industry when
he was introduced to an issue that we'd change the
direction of his life forever. US public health groups began
pitching a lower standard of care for Native American patients
in Alaska. The proposal was to allow people with merely
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a high school diploma in eighteen months of training to
treat these patients instead of actual dentists.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And it's called the Dental Health Aid therapist. They mimicked
what was at the time being done in New Zealand
and Australia and Patrick, if you know anything about the
Native Americans, they have a higher degree of diabetes and
heart disease, which makes even simple procedures potentially life threatening.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It so happens that roughly thirty percent of Paul's flag
Staff patient base was Native American.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And so one of the things I did is, as
you'll find, I don't run from being a dentist. I
run to being a dentist. Is I would share the
experience with them. This is what public health is trying
to do to you, is that something that you want?
And so typical appointments that were an hour probably go
an hour and a half. I was like, my staff
was going crazy, but I wanted to share.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That the feedback he was getting was that they wanted
the same standard of care as everyone else.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So we were coming back to Washington to see four
times a year, once every quarter. I started coming early
and paying my own nickel to start walking the hill
to find out what was going on and how things
were moving. The congressman of our district at the time,
Rick Ramsey, showed me around and introduced me to Mike Pence.
Mike Pence took me around to show me Energy and
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Commerce and the committees of jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
On his trips, Paul was learning that the desires of
the Native Americans didn't seem to be getting to the
decision makers. It was around this time that he met
an attorney named Tom van Flein.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
For a period of time, I represented both the Alaska
Dental Association and the American Dental Association.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's Tom.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
There was some litigation going on involving what are called
mid level providers.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
When they met, Tom was impressed by Paul's moxie.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
He was with several other dentists at the time, and
they were fired up. They were fighters, So I liked them.
I liked the fact that they were not afraid to
pursue what is right, no matter the consequences, and no
matter if it upset people in the media or other
people who wanted the status quo.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Against Paul's advice, the national leadership ended up backing down
from the fight. But through this conflict, Paul and Tom
became friends.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Not long after that, two thousand and nine, decided he's
going to run for office for Congress, and he reached
out to me, and I said, Hey, anything I can
do to help it well, So I ended up doing
most of the policy stuff for the campaign. Righted to
get go.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
The pairing made sense. By the time Paul had decided
to run for Congress, Tom had already been facing off
with the establishment monster in a big way as the
personal attorney for Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska. It
was the canary in the coal mine that showed the
length to which the left would go to defeat their opposition.
Sarah Palin was introduced to a national audience in the
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summer of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
I am very pleased, I'm very privileged to introduce to
you the next Vice President of the United States, Governor
Sarah Palin of the great State of Alaska.
Speaker 8 (13:37):
Thank you so much, and I thank you, Senator McCain
and missus McCain for the confidence that you have placed
in me. Senator, I am honored to be chosen as
your running weight.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
She was largely an unknown at the time, but her
good looks, charisma, and gift of speaking on the podium
made her an instant hit with the geo base.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I had the privilege of living most of my life
in a small town. I was just your average hockey
mom and signed up for the PTA.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
I love those hockey moms.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know they say the difference between a hockey mom
and a pitbull lipstick.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Palin's edition injected new life into McCain's floundering campaign, with
one poll showing him surpassing Barack Obama by ten points
shortly after she joined the ticket. That's when the left's
cultural Leviathan went to work on the Alaskan governor.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So when she became the Republican vice presidential nominee, the
left did what the left does went after her heart.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The media used her inexperience on the national stage to
create a narrative that she was a lightweight.
Speaker 9 (14:53):
You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your
foreign policy experience.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
What did you mean by that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That Alaska has a very narrow maritime war between a
foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land
boundary that we have with Canada. It's funny that a
comment like that was kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Made to.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I don't know, you know, reporters. Yeah, marked, I guess
that's the word. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Saturday Night Live added to the narrative.
Speaker 10 (15:24):
And now a nonpartisan message from Governor Sarah Palin and
Senator Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Good evening, my fellow Americans.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
I was so excited when I was told Senator Clinton and.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
I would be addressing.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You tonight, and I was told I would be addressing
you alone.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
You know, Hillary and I don't agree on anything.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I believe that diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any
foreign policy, and.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I can see Russia from my.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Of course, the media handled her gaff prone VP opponent
Joe Biden with kid gloves, but that made no difference.
The damage was being done. In parallel, the Democrats began
creating headlines for the media and.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
They started to use ethics complaints as a weapon on lawfare.
And at the time, I don't know if it's even
changed yet, but at the time, anyone anywhere in the
country could file an ethics complaint for any alleged issue
they wanted to against the governor, and you didn't have
to be vetted first. Nobody had to research it or
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determine if it had validity. So all these crazy, frivolous
and harassing complaints were filed.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Like tag team wrestlers. The media used these Democrat instigated
complaints to constantly attack the VP nominee.
Speaker 11 (16:58):
The McCain plan ticket is bracing for what could be
an embarrassing report. Lawmakers in Alaska are expected to release
the results of an investigation into possible abuse of power
by Governor Sarah Palin and the so called Troopergate inquiry.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Every complaint resulted in a headline above the fold. Every
dismissal was barely mentioned.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
That was the pattern, as each was either dismissed or
found to have no merit, it didn't stop the complaints
from piling up.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I think We reached twenty seven or twenty eight ethics
complaints that were filed and handled by what was called
the Personnel Board with a full investigator. The investigator usually
being hired by the way, by the Obama law firm
of Perkins Kooy, so that was who was in charge
of the neutral investigation on these things. We still won
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all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
All but one of these investigations were dismissed. The sole
remaining complaint that Palin had to settle was for a
minor issue related to bringing her own daughter on a
plane trip with her for governor business when her husband
was unable to babysit. It was a non issue.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
The rest were thrown out or she was acquitted vindicated.
But it took a lot of time, a lot of money,
and it did what it was intended to do, and
that was to destroy her reputation, destroy her standing in
the state. Her ratings as governor plummeted, and two years
of that was one of the key factors that caused
her to say, I don't need this anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Over the past nine months, I've been accused of all
sorts of frivolous ethics violations, such as holding a fish
in a photograph or wearing a jacket with a logo
on it and answering reporters questions every one of these,
though all fifteen of the ethics complaints have been dismissed.
We have won, but it hasn't been cheap. The state
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has wasted thousands of hours of your time and showed
out some two million of your dollars to respond to
opposition research. And that's money that's not going to fund
teachers or troopers or safer roads. And this political absurdity,
the politics of personal distry direction Todd and I. We're
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looking at more than half a million dollars in legal
bills just in order to set the record straight so
that Alaska may progress. I will not seek re election
as governor.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
But even after her resignation the Democrat machine wasn't done
with her yet. They wanted to make sure this charismatic
conservative leader would not be a threat in the future.
SNL continued spoofing her, and HBO produced a film called
Game Change, mocking her. VP run, I understand you've prepared speech.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 12 (19:35):
I want to salute John for everything he's done for
this country.
Speaker 13 (19:38):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You're not giving a.
Speaker 14 (19:40):
Speech, and why is that, Steve, You're not giving a
speech because the vice presidential candidate has never given a
concession speech on election night. It's not about you, it's
about the country.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
The Democrat establishment used its cultural institutions to send a
clear message to every talented conservative in America. Oppose us
and and we will destroy you. To date, the right
has no equivalent cultural mechanism in place. Tom got to
see this smear machine up close. It put him in
a good position to help guide Paul Gosar's twenty ten
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run for Congress. And oh what a time it was
for Paul to run.
Speaker 15 (20:19):
All right, So passions are running high, patients short on supply.
Speaker 16 (20:24):
Here, let's try to separate the fact from the fiction.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The Tea Party had risen to push back on Obama's
massive growth in government, and the movement was hopping mad
about his attempt to take control of the American health industry.
Speaker 16 (20:36):
I want to know if.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
It's coming out of my pay chase.
Speaker 17 (20:41):
I want an answer to.
Speaker 13 (20:42):
The question, is the money coming out of.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Right pat They've decided that we're just stupid.
Speaker 17 (20:47):
And I don't want the government to do it.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
For I am not a right wing wacko.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
After a year long fight over Obama's proposed healthcare reform,
Nancy Pelosi use procedural maneuvers to force the controversial legislation
through Congress without a single Republican vote, And when she did,
the media openly feared that the White House could pay
a hefty price in the twenty ten mid term elections.
Speaker 18 (21:17):
The Democrats, they'll face some huge political vulnerabilities if this
blows up in the Senate. Now, and what's left is
this original Senate bill with all the special provisions. The
Cornhusker kicked back the special deal for Florida, the other
special deals that are in there, that could be horrible
for the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And that's hitting for Democrats. And for once, the media
was right. The passage of Obamacare enraged Republican voters all
across America. Again, Paul Gosar.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
The Obama administration, like Democrats tend to do, they tried
to force feed America in those first early years. You know,
in some ways they're very smart, get it over with
and make the other side try to undo the not
And one of those things happened to be healthcare.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was an issue that Paul was passionate about, and
it became one of the pillars of his candidacy. At first,
he thought he'd be able to keep his dentistry practice
while running for Congress.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So what I would do is work early in the
morning till usually like one or two in the afternoon,
hop in the car and drive somewhere. Talk to people,
have coffees, even if it was one person or two people,
just that retail kind of politics, talking one on one
with people, getting their ideas.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But as Paul spent time talking to voters, he came
to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to keep
his practice and run for office. The district he was
looking to represent was bigger than the state of Pennsylvania,
a very rural area with farmers, ranchers, miners, timberfolks, and
Native Americas. To win, he'd need to devote all of
his time. So we sold this practice to a colleague
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son and put everything on the line.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
And our thought is if my wife's thought was, if
we don't win, then we're going to go do the
American thing, go somewhere else and try to start all
over again. And so we really did take a shot
on the reading railroad where it let us. We didn't
quite know.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
In the primary, Paul faced nine.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Opponents and we ran the table. So in the primary
we won, We doubled down on the next two people.
We tried to make it cordial what we could do
for the people in Arizona's first district. And we still
stay friends today, all nine of us. And then I
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took on an.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Incumbent again, Tom ben Flyin.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
We knew it was going to be close. It's a
swing district. The Democrat incumbent at that time as a
lady who was well liked and she's not a crazy,
you know, burn down the House Democrat, which is what
you know, seems to be the new model. John F.
Kennedy would recognize her, you know, as a Democrat. So
she was tough to beat.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
She had one point four million in her bank and
we had forty thousand in the bank, and we beat
her very convincingly, even with a libertarian in the race.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The twenty ten midterm elections ended up being a red tsunami.
Speaker 19 (24:29):
Some election nights are more fun than others. Some are exhilarating,
some are humbling. Now I'm not recommending for every future president,
but they take a shellacking like they like I did
last night.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
With Paul now headed to d C, he worked to
build his staff.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Not all of our first picks worked out, but one
of the picks that really worked out was my friend
Tom van Flyn, who I asked to follow me here
and he did so.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
He has been come out to DC and be his
legislative director. And I was at a good point point
in my legal career to take a break. Like I
had done trial work, I had mastered it, I had
tons of success doing it, and I was ready to
try something different at that point. And I told him
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I would do it for one year, you know. I
give him my word. I said, I'll do this one year,
you know. And then I got to get back and
to making money and practicing law. And I never did
go back to making money.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
This was an incredible time for Republicans. They picked up
sixty three seats in the House, their biggest gain in
almost sixty five years. The American electorate had sent a
clear message to Washington, d C. They wanted a change
in direction, and Paul Gosar, the kid from Rock Springs, Wyoming,
and Tom van Flyin, the lawyer from Alaska, we're a
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part of this historic moment. Tom remembers the energy of
that twenty ten Tea Party wave.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
There was so much optimism and so much hope for
the future that they were going to put a stop
to the Obama administration's nonsense and reverse some of these
horrific policies that had already started to undermine just the
values that they believed were fundamental to the country. And
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at first, you know, they elected John Bayner Speaker, and
John Bayner is a conservative.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
John Bayner got back to business as it should be.
There were open rules. I mean, I remember, you know,
two three times a week we were up at two
o'clock at night doing you know, amendments on the process.
And it was fabulous. It was fun. It was busy,
it was a lot of work, but it was fun.
It was engaging, and you got to have your say.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
But John Baynor had a house with many establishment Republicans
he had to deal with as well.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
But he also had to manage an unruly and a
very large membership that consisted of New York Republicans, which
they're not Tea Party folks. They're kind of old school Rockefeller.
You know, let's get along, go along kind of guys.
There's nothing wrong with them, but they represent the people
of that area and those values. And then you had
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hardcore conservatives. These hardcore conservatives were like, no, we're all
about the constitution. We're about getting back to the rule
of law. We need to, you know, stop these unauthorized mandates,
and we need to enforce the border, and we need
to stop the legal immigration. And these guys came in
with a lot of enthusiasm to get that done. They
did try. They tried to balance the budget multiple times,
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they passed bills to balance the budget, and they worked hard,
and all of it, all of it died a quick
death in the Senate that was controlled at the time
by Harry Reid. And since the Democrats had the Senate,
nothing the House did mattered because then on the big
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issues that had to pass. So there's all have to
pass bills, it had to compromise.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Tom is referring to bills that have to pass in
order for government to function, like bills that fund the
military or the government itself. We've seen how these negotiations
sometimes lead to a government shut down, an event that
the GOP establishment desperately tries to avoid because the liberal
mainstream media always places the blame solely on the feet
of the Republicans.
Speaker 17 (28:26):
Brown's latest poll found that seventy two percent of Americans
oppose the government shut down, and a growing number put
most of the blame on Republicans in Congress.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
It's definitely going to hurt Republicans a lot more because
I think what people are seeing is that there's one
side that's really intransigent.
Speaker 20 (28:44):
About two thirds say that Republicans in Congress really shoulder
the bulk of the responsibility for the shutdown.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So far, Terry, it looks like the Democrats may be
winning the propaganda war in this whole thing, at least
for now.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
And the game was getting played where the Democrats were
able to negotiate pretty much all their priorities, and the
Conservatives never really got any meaningful reforms as part of
their package. So the compromise always was, you know, to
give the Democrats what they wanted this time, and we'll
get them next time. Kind of an attitude next time
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never came.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
This happens largely because the Democrats and establishment Republicans both
understand that every American cultural institution, the media, Hollywood, big tech,
and the so called experts in academia are all on
the side of the Democrats and are ready to place
the blame of a shutdown or failure of an important
bill on the doorstep of the GOP. The Democrats are
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successful at doing this by having every media outlet slam
conservatives twenty four to seven. Big Tech make sure the
top trending stories are slanted against the right. Celebrities enter
the fray with rants against the Republicans, and even the
musicians Pylon.
Speaker 12 (29:54):
Hey, y'all, I just want to remind you, because it's
been a little bit over three weeks. Trump is now
ordering as a summ is seeing federal the work is
to go back to work without getting paid.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It takes a unique kind of person to be the
recipient of attacks from America's leftist cultural institutions, and not waiver.
John Bayner was not one of those kinds of people.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And I still remember the day when he basically said
I'm tired of doing this. I'm going to go to
Obama and cut a deal. And that's what rankled so
many people in the conference and so many of my
big class. And then it became a push versus shove.
This is the way we do things, You're just going
to have to get used to it. And that didn't
set well with me, nor did it set well with
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a bunch of others.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
So I remember the optimism, and it was a slow
death by a thousand cuts of that optimism.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
This process of appeasement continued when Paul Ryan became Speaker
of the House in twenty fifteen. Ryan proved he'd compromise
to give the left whatever they wanted. Many grassroots conservatives
had high hopes that this pattern would be broken when
the New York real estate mogul won the election, but
they quickly learned that wasn't the case. As the media, Hollywood,
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big tech, and the like waged an unprecedented attack on
President Trump, the GOP establishment again caved.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
It turns out it doesn't only matter, you know, if
we run the House or not. We had two years
where we controlled the House, we controlled the Senate, and
we control the presidency. The two years from twenty sixteen
twenty eighteen, after President Trump was elected and Paul Ryan
was Speak of the House and Mitch McConnell was Senate President,
were a complete waste of time. Other than one bill,
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the tax reform Bill, they did nothing to help the president,
in fact opposed him, undermined him, And it was such
an opportunity for reform, meaningful reform on so many different areas,
many reforms that could have been done, just warrant, the
ability to tackle big tech, deal with censorship, which was
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already occurring back then, could have been done but wasn't.
And in the House leadership just a strong anti Trump feeling.
And that's when new Ler investigation was taking off, and
I think some of those guys were hoping he'd be
impeached and removed over that, and it just was a
squandered opportunity. The American public won, the Conservatives won, We
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had it all, and those guys said, Nope, he didn't
win anything.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Paul Ryan openly undermined the leader of his party. And
how was he punished. Well, he was given a place
on the Fox News board. Rock ribbed Conservatives like Paul
Gosar have faced these types of DC establishment hurdles time
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and time again, and in one instant, it got extremely personal.
After his first campaign win in twenty ten, the Arizona
map was redrawn and Paul Gosar's district was split in
a way to make his reelection difficult, but he won. Anyways,
he went again in twenty fourteen. In twenty sixteen by
giving his constituents a voice, he set up town halls
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and gave them a chance to not only air complaints
but also present solutions.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
And that's why we've become one of the most accomplished
members of Congress getting you know, we've had fifteen bills
done in our ten years. They've been signed. It a law,
and people look at me and go, how are you
doing it? And it's because we work together with people.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Paul Gosar's success and his strong support of President Trump
made him a target of the left. So when the
twenty eighteen midterm elections came along, the Democrats decided it
was time to hit Paul below the belt.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I was blindsided, to be very honest with.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You, and what happened next could have broken almost any man.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
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Speaker 1 (34:11):
Welcome back. So, Paul Gosar's success and his strong support
of President Trump made him a target of the left.
When the twenty eighteen midterm elections came along, the Democrats
decided it was time to hit Paul below the belt.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I was blindsided, to be very honest with.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You, and what happened next could have broken almost any man.
Paul was waiting for a flight with a Democrat colleague and.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He said, just want to let you know you're tough
enough to take it. That there's a video coming, and
that's all he said. And then the video comes out.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Paul Gosser, the congressman, isn't doing anything to help rural America.
Speaker 17 (34:50):
Paul's absolutely not working for his district.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Paul's Democrat challenger ran an attack ad. It opened like
many political commercials with testimonials against Paul, and he's.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Not listening to you and he doesn't have your interests
at heart.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
But then as it progressed, this shocking twist was revealed.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
My name is Tim Gosar, David Gosar, Grace Gosar, Joan Gosar,
Justin Gosar.
Speaker 10 (35:14):
Jennifer Gostar.
Speaker 11 (35:15):
Paul Gosar is my brother, my brother, and I endorsed
doctor Brill.
Speaker 20 (35:19):
Doctor Brill wholeheartedly endorsed doctor David Burrill for Congress. I'm
doctor David Brill, and I approved this message.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Six of Paul's siblings endorsed his opponent.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
And to say I was upset would be an understatement.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
His Democrat challenger had gotten when that several of Paul's
siblings were anti Trump progressives, six of them agreed to
be involved in an attack ad against their own brother. Again,
Tom van Flein.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
The implicit message is if your own child or young
brother or your own sister doesn't like you, then you
must really be bad or what do they know about
you that behind the scenes. That's kind of the implicit
message is this guy must be a monster.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
You know, both my mom and dad were you know,
Republican stal wars. My dad was a delegates from Wyoming
in sixty eight and seventy two, my mom in seventy six.
And you have seven very liberal Democrats or progressives. I
wouldn't even call them democrats, they're progressives. And where things
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went wrong? When my mom is still is torn up,
she doesn't get this.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And how are those siblings rewarded for their betrayal? Well,
just about every TV show that even remotely Touched on
Politics aired a story on their commercial.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
It's the new shocking political out that's making waves around
Arizona and the country for that matter. Congressman Paul Gosar's
own siblings endorsed the other candidate, David Brill.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Six siblings all speaking out against their brother as he
makes another bid for Congress.
Speaker 21 (36:52):
What is this for real?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
This is for real?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
The family resemblance is unmistakable, but apparently blood only goes
so far.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
The six say they cannot stand by their brother's positions
on healthcare, immigration, and the environment.
Speaker 13 (37:06):
So what would you do if you were running for
office and you're six or seven, or nine or ten
brothers and sisters decided to publicly say we are not
supporting you because you're too out there for us.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Democratic candidate David Brill says his team reached out to
the siblings knowing there was a divide between them and
their brother.
Speaker 20 (37:31):
They love America, and they love their family and their
family's values, and that they feel that our congressman has
departed from both.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Brill says they told their story willingly.
Speaker 20 (37:41):
I really have to say, these are courageous and principled people.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
It's horrible to have to do this.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
It's a family feud being played out in a political
ass unlike any you've ever seen.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
For sure on this matter, you know, I mean, if
you have all of someone's siblings saying this person is
a lunatic, this person is a jerk, please vote for
the other person.
Speaker 17 (38:03):
I just can't believe that that's not going.
Speaker 20 (38:04):
To be persuasive.
Speaker 17 (38:05):
So will this actually work?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
That's going to be an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Harol, ABC News, NBC News, CBS News, The Today Show, CNN, Vice, HBO,
Inside Edition, The View, all ran stories on the commercial.
The left used the cultural platforms it owned to punish
the Republican. Paul could have cowered in a corner over
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the entire ordeal. He could have backed down and compromised
his principles, as his siblings wanted.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
If you could say anything to your brother, what would
you say?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Resigned?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
He could have even angrily lashed out at them, but
he didn't. Instead, he took a different route. Paul turned
to humor.
Speaker 16 (38:46):
You can't pick your family. Ghostar tweeted to the six
angry Democrat gostars, see you at mom and Dad's house.
Their mother weighing in, telling The New York Times her
congressman's son has done a hell of a job for
Arizona and they love him. Ghostar responded, I guess I
really am mom's face.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
One of the things that we do in my office
is is that we talk it out before.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
We respond again, Tom van Flein.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
Initially, when you are attacked personally, your first gut response
is an emotional one. You want to strike back, and
so we make it a point when stuff like this
happens to not do that and just take it. Take
a minute, let's reflect on this, let's think about this.
And one thing we have learned about the left and
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our opponents is they completely lack a sense of humor.
They are unable to mean, they are unable to address sarcasm,
they are unable to address humor in any form when
it's directed against them.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Ridicule is the harshest thing that you can do to somebody.
It's intolerable by somebody else. So when you take some
hatred and you turn it upside down, you know, people go,
there's a bigger person for that, and you allow them
to step on the themselves. And that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
In interviews, some of Paul's siblings began to reveal how
they let far left propaganda infect their minds.
Speaker 19 (40:12):
And well, hey, Paul must agree to disagree about taking
babies from their parents at the borders.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
And I think there will be some people wondering, Grace,
why not have this conversation privately with your brother.
Speaker 11 (40:23):
Well, I feel like in confronting Pole in this way,
we offer a challenge to them that we don't really
have them in any other way.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
But there was a very nice light at the end
of the tunnel, Patrick, and that was is that for
a lot of my nieces and nephews, I was their dentist,
and they knew me as that dentist, and they didn't
understand why their parents were so offset against me. I've
had some wonderful conversations with my nieces and nephews. I
haven't talked to ill about their their mother or father.
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I gave them my side of the story. That's what
anybody is entitled to, and then you have to make
your own mind up.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
In the end, the average tizement backfired. Paul went is
raised by a landslide, and Paul and Tom learned something.
They learned that using humor, a powerful cultural weapon, helped
them win. They used a technique almost entirely monopolized by
the left. Paul went on to use this weapon to
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promote a serious topic. He used that Epstein didn't kill
himself meme to promote the lunacy of the Democrats impeachment
inquiry against the president.
Speaker 21 (41:35):
Congressman Gosar, we are proud to say, joins us on
the set tonight, you sent out twenty three tweets in
a row. Yes, spelling in acrostic code. The first letter
of each tweet spells out Epstein didn't kill himself. It
made my day personally. But tell me why you did that.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Well, we wanted to have a different delivery mechanism and
to a group of people that may not even be
following what's going on with this fake in impeachment inquiry
of the president.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yes, and it got the results that we wanted. This
is how fun it is. My chiefest staff and I
are in a cab and we're talking about how this
thing is going crazy. They've got thirty two million hits
and so the taxi driver here's us talking about it. It
means back and he goes, are you guys the ones
who did the chronics? And we're like, yes, and I said,
we've made it when the taxi car drivers tells you, hey,
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you know I follow your chronics.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Today, Paul Gosar spends much of his time in Congress
fighting for America First values, and Tom is still helping
him along the way, Which leads us back to the
question why do Democrats always seem to get what they want?
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The answer is the left uses culture to win. The
left owns the mainstream media, they own Hollywood, academia, and
big tech, and by doing so, the Democrats define our
culture and the rules of the game. They use the
power of these platforms to either destroy their opponent or
they create an environment so hostile that weak need Republicans
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always succumb to the pressure and acquiesce to the demands
of the left. The right has no ability to impose
the same kind of cultural shame that the left can
inflict on Republicans at will. The Democrats know this, and
that's why they get what they want. There are very
few Republican politicians that understand this dynamic, that politics is
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downstream of culture. Paul Gosar understands this. To fight back,
the right must make a long term commitment to developing
their own cultural institutions. Conservatives need media outlets with journalists
that cover culture. They need their own movie studios, their
own big tech platforms, their own streaming services, and publishing
houses producing more than just political content. The right needs
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to create works of fiction and documentaries that shift the
public opinion in their favor, because if they don't create
their own cultural platforms, the Republicans will always be playing
by the left's rules, rules that they Democrats will rig
the second they're given the opportunity.
Speaker 15 (44:06):
As we pass the John Lewis voting right sick, we
should keep marching to make it even better by making
sure every American is automatically registered to vote, including former
inmates who've earned their second chance. And if all this
takes eliminating the filibuster, then that's what we should do.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
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This episode was originally broadcast on August two, twenty twenty.
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You can't always get what you want, that is, unless
you're a Democrat. For some reason, the left always seems
to get exactly what they're aiming for. If they want
to shut down of the economy, they get it today.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm issuing a stay home, Stay Safe executive order.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
If they want to paint the streets, Democrats somehow make
it happen.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The street along New York City's Fifth Avenue in front
of Trump Tower.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Is closed to traffic today as the words black Lives
Matter are painted on the President's doorstep.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Essentially, And if they want players to take a knee,
the millionaires comply, players and coaches from the New York
Yankees and Washington Nationals taking a knee. Why is that?
Why do democrats always seem to get what they want?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I'm Patrick Carrelci and I'm Adriana Cortez and this is
Red Pilled America, a storytelling show. This is not another
talk show covering the day's news. We are all about
telling stories.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Stories. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:36):
You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,
and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. It's hard to deny that the Democrats
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always seem to get what they want. Sure, they didn't
get their way when Trump became president, but even when
they're out of power, the Left seems to find a
way to deliver for their base, whether it be Obamacare,
gay marriage, massive illegal immigration, censoring conservatives, all the important
stuff seems to turn in their favor. Why is that?
(02:18):
Why do Democrats always seem to get what they want.
To find the answer, we're going to hear the story
of Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar and his chief of staff
Thomas van Flyin, two American patriots that arrived in DC
on a red wave that was hell bent unchanging the
status quo. Throughout their journey, they've racked up some wins
(02:39):
against the democrats smear machine and have learned a thing
or two about how they operate.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Paul Gosar is one of the few Republican congressmen in
America that gets things done while managing to keep his
boots clean of the Washington, d C. Swamp. But that
doesn't mean he hasn't had some mud slung his way.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I was blindsided, to be very honest with you. That's Paul,
one of my colleagues from the Democratic side. We were
waiting at the airport and he said, just want to
let you know you're tough enough to take it, but
there's a video coming and that's all he said. And
then the video comes out, and to say I was
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upset would be an understatement.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Paul had to learn the hard way about the links
to which the Democrats will go to win. Yet through
it all, him and his team have figured out a
way to rack up a few ws themselves. His road
to our nation's capital looks a lot like our founders intended.
He grew up in a small town in Wyoming called Rock.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Springs Town that never when I was there, never was
more than about nine hundred people. It's on the headwaters
of the Green River.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Paul's household was a significant percentage of the city's population.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I come from a big family. I'm the first of
ten kids, a bunch of overachievers.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Paul ties his family success us to the household's dynamic.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I've got two parents. My mom was a former teacher
that decided to stay home raise a family and helped
teach us at home after school from the public school districts.
My dad was a geologist, and he was not the
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average geologist. Most geologists would do one well at a time.
That guy would do three or four at a time.
So he was kind of a crazy man. And we
were raised that, you know, don't let anything stop you.
We were also very athletic, so we bounced on each
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other over and over again. And I think that that's
what made us achieve, was the competition within the house,
whether it be from breakfast getting up to breakfast, knowing
that you know, when breakfast was served, a few aren't there,
you weren't going to get anything, and then you'd have
to wait till lunch.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
As an athletic kid, Paul's dreams mirrored many boys of
the time. He wanted to play college football, then go
on to be the next Fran Tarkenton, the famed quarterback
of the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And so I had a dear uncle, my mom's brother,
who was a dentist, and he kept coming to me saying,
what do you want to do with your life? And
my dad, as I told you, was always on the rigs,
and so he made every attempt to see our ballgames.
But my uncle was always there kind of mentoring us.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It was a relationship that would make a deep impact
on Paul's career path. A few games into his varsity
season of high school football, Paul broke his arm, dashing
his NFL dreams in search of an new way forward.
There was something about his uncle's work as a dentist
that caught.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
His eye, and I kind of liked the way that
he had the ability to treat people, to be part
of the culture, part of the community, and be part
of his kids' lives.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
When it came time for college, Paul's mom was worried
about him attending the University of Wyoming because she'd seen
too many kids get caught up in the party atmosphere there.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So long story short, I actually decided to go to
Creyton to get my mom off my back.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
While at Creighton, he oscillated between medicine and dentistry until
he settled on his uncle's line of work, largely because
of the freedom it would.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Afford him, and finally chose dentistry because I thought that
if I went into medicine, that would be the only
thing I could do in my life, because I would
put everything behind it. So I went into dentistry and
never looked back.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
By his senior year in college, he began thinking about
where he wanted to put down roots.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I was still single. I just did not want to
come back to Rock Springs, Wyoming. If you've ever been
to Rock Springs, Wyoming, great people, but not kind of
a place I wanted to live. So my dad heard
me talk to my uncle that I wasn't coming back
to Rock Springs, and my dad said to me, said, listen,
as much as I'd love to have you come back
to Wyoming, I think we're going to have a crash
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in our minerals and energy and that wouldn't be a
good time for you to be owning a practice or
trying to get your business off the ground.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Paul took his father's advice and began writing letters to
Dennis practices outside of his hometown. That's when his mom
got her two cents in.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
She goes, listen, your dad and I went through this
town called Flagstaff on our way to on our honeymoon
to Mexico. A lot of trees. You'd love it. I
love trees, I love planting, I love working outdoors.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
So he wrote a man with an office in the area,
and his chance would have it. He was looking to
sell his practice.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I made arrangements to fly out there and take
the Greyhound bus up to Flagstaff during spring break. And
the practice wasn't for me.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
So he headed to Phoenix to one of the dentistry
supply companies and he met someone there that could help,
a guy.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
From Wyoming that knew my uncle, and he said, hey,
you like that flag Staff area And I said, yeah,
but that practice that He said, oh, there's another one.
So there's a guy that's doing a satellite office with
one chair and his wife is in dental school and
they're not making it and the bank's probably going to
repoe it. You're interested, I'll let you know, and lo
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and behold, I ended up daling this guy out before
he was repoted.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Paul made the move to Flagstaff in nineteen eighty five.
He settled in got married, and him and his wife, Maud,
eventually had three kids. Like his uncle, Paul enjoyed the
freedom the dentistry offered.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, but I was always very talented in art, very
talented with my hands, and the Good Lord has given
me some great eyes and shapes. So dentistry was a
real fun adventure. But I also got involved in the
politics of dentistry.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
When Paul was young. He remembers his dad being chairman
for the Republican Party in his area.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And so we actually got to see sena and folks
at the local, state and county levels. So we're always
told to be part of that, and so in Arizona
I started in the dental realms. I pretty much held
every position that they have, from local president on our
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constituent level, all the way to the state and then
to the council and government affairs, to the American Dental Association,
where I represented seven states.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Then in two thousand and eight, through his involvement with
the association, Paul was introduced to an issue that would
eventually change the direction of his life. Forever more after
the break.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Welcome Back. So by two thousand and eight, Paul Gosar
had built a successful practice and was getting more and
more involved in the politics of the dental industry when
he was introduced to an issue that we'd change the
direction of his life forever. US public health groups began
pitching a lower standard of care for Native American patients
in Alaska. The proposal was to allow people with merely
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a high school diploma in eighteen months of training to
treat these patients instead of actual dentists.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And it's called the Dental Health Aid therapist. They mimicked
what was at the time being done in New Zealand
and Australia and Patrick, if you know anything about the
Native Americans, they have a higher degree of diabetes and
heart disease, which makes even simple procedures potentially life threatening.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It so happens that roughly thirty percent of Paul's flag
Staff patient base was Native American.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And so one of the things I did is, as
you'll find, I don't run from being a dentist. I
run to being a dentist. Is I would share the
experience with them. This is what public health is trying
to do to you, is that something that you want?
And so typical appointments that were an hour probably go
an hour and a half. I was like, my staff
was going crazy, but I wanted to share.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That the feedback he was getting was that they wanted
the same standard of care as everyone else.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So we were coming back to Washington to see four
times a year, once every quarter. I started coming early
and paying my own nickel to start walking the hill
to find out what was going on and how things
were moving. The congressman of our district at the time,
Rick Ramsey, showed me around and introduced me to Mike Pence.
Mike Pence took me around to show me Energy and
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Commerce and the committees of jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
On his trips, Paul was learning that the desires of
the Native Americans didn't seem to be getting to the
decision makers. It was around this time that he met
an attorney named Tom van Flein.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
For a period of time, I represented both the Alaska
Dental Association and the American Dental Association.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's Tom.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
There was some litigation going on involving what are called
mid level providers.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
When they met, Tom was impressed by Paul's moxie.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
He was with several other dentists at the time, and
they were fired up. They were fighters, So I liked them.
I liked the fact that they were not afraid to
pursue what is right, no matter the consequences, and no
matter if it upset people in the media or other
people who wanted the status quo.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Against Paul's advice, the national leadership ended up backing down
from the fight. But through this conflict, Paul and Tom
became friends.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Not long after that, two thousand and nine, decided he's
going to run for office for Congress, and he reached
out to me, and I said, Hey, anything I can
do to help it well, So I ended up doing
most of the policy stuff for the campaign. Righted to
get go.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
The pairing made sense. By the time Paul had decided
to run for Congress, Tom had already been facing off
with the establishment monster in a big way as the
personal attorney for Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska. It
was the canary in the coal mine that showed the
length to which the left would go to defeat their opposition.
Sarah Palin was introduced to a national audience in the
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summer of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
I am very pleased, I'm very privileged to introduce to
you the next Vice President of the United States, Governor
Sarah Palin of the great State of Alaska.
Speaker 8 (13:37):
Thank you so much, and I thank you, Senator McCain
and missus McCain for the confidence that you have placed
in me. Senator, I am honored to be chosen as
your running weight.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
She was largely an unknown at the time, but her
good looks, charisma, and gift of speaking on the podium
made her an instant hit with the geo base.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I had the privilege of living most of my life
in a small town. I was just your average hockey
mom and signed up for the PTA.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
I love those hockey moms.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know they say the difference between a hockey mom
and a pitbull lipstick.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Palin's edition injected new life into McCain's floundering campaign, with
one poll showing him surpassing Barack Obama by ten points
shortly after she joined the ticket. That's when the left's
cultural Leviathan went to work on the Alaskan governor.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So when she became the Republican vice presidential nominee, the
left did what the left does went after her heart.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The media used her inexperience on the national stage to
create a narrative that she was a lightweight.
Speaker 9 (14:53):
You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your
foreign policy experience.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
What did you mean by that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That Alaska has a very narrow maritime war between a
foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land
boundary that we have with Canada. It's funny that a
comment like that was kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Made to.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I don't know, you know, reporters. Yeah, marked, I guess
that's the word. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Saturday Night Live added to the narrative.
Speaker 10 (15:24):
And now a nonpartisan message from Governor Sarah Palin and
Senator Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Good evening, my fellow Americans.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
I was so excited when I was told Senator Clinton and.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
I would be addressing.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You tonight, and I was told I would be addressing
you alone.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
You know, Hillary and I don't agree on anything.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I believe that diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any
foreign policy, and.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I can see Russia from my.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Of course, the media handled her gaff prone VP opponent
Joe Biden with kid gloves, but that made no difference.
The damage was being done. In parallel, the Democrats began
creating headlines for the media and.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
They started to use ethics complaints as a weapon on lawfare.
And at the time, I don't know if it's even
changed yet, but at the time, anyone anywhere in the
country could file an ethics complaint for any alleged issue
they wanted to against the governor, and you didn't have
to be vetted first. Nobody had to research it or
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determine if it had validity. So all these crazy, frivolous
and harassing complaints were filed.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Like tag team wrestlers. The media used these Democrat instigated
complaints to constantly attack the VP nominee.
Speaker 11 (16:58):
The McCain plan ticket is bracing for what could be
an embarrassing report. Lawmakers in Alaska are expected to release
the results of an investigation into possible abuse of power
by Governor Sarah Palin and the so called Troopergate inquiry.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Every complaint resulted in a headline above the fold. Every
dismissal was barely mentioned.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
That was the pattern, as each was either dismissed or
found to have no merit, it didn't stop the complaints
from piling up.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
I think We reached twenty seven or twenty eight ethics
complaints that were filed and handled by what was called
the Personnel Board with a full investigator. The investigator usually
being hired by the way, by the Obama law firm
of Perkins Kooy, so that was who was in charge
of the neutral investigation on these things. We still won
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all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
All but one of these investigations were dismissed. The sole
remaining complaint that Palin had to settle was for a
minor issue related to bringing her own daughter on a
plane trip with her for governor business when her husband
was unable to babysit. It was a non issue.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
The rest were thrown out or she was acquitted vindicated.
But it took a lot of time, a lot of money,
and it did what it was intended to do, and
that was to destroy her reputation, destroy her standing in
the state. Her ratings as governor plummeted, and two years
of that was one of the key factors that caused
her to say, I don't need this anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Over the past nine months, I've been accused of all
sorts of frivolous ethics violations, such as holding a fish
in a photograph or wearing a jacket with a logo
on it and answering reporters questions every one of these,
though all fifteen of the ethics complaints have been dismissed.
We have won, but it hasn't been cheap. The state
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has wasted thousands of hours of your time and showed
out some two million of your dollars to respond to
opposition research. And that's money that's not going to fund
teachers or troopers or safer roads. And this political absurdity,
the politics of personal distry direction Todd and I. We're
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looking at more than half a million dollars in legal
bills just in order to set the record straight so
that Alaska may progress. I will not seek re election
as governor.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
But even after her resignation the Democrat machine wasn't done
with her yet. They wanted to make sure this charismatic
conservative leader would not be a threat in the future.
SNL continued spoofing her, and HBO produced a film called
Game Change, mocking her. VP run, I understand you've prepared speech.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 12 (19:35):
I want to salute John for everything he's done for
this country.
Speaker 13 (19:38):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You're not giving a.
Speaker 14 (19:40):
Speech, and why is that, Steve, You're not giving a
speech because the vice presidential candidate has never given a
concession speech on election night. It's not about you, it's
about the country.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
The Democrat establishment used its cultural institutions to send a
clear message to every talented conservative in America. Oppose us
and and we will destroy you. To date, the right
has no equivalent cultural mechanism in place. Tom got to
see this smear machine up close. It put him in
a good position to help guide Paul Gosar's twenty ten
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run for Congress. And oh what a time it was
for Paul to run.
Speaker 15 (20:19):
All right, So passions are running high, patients short on supply.
Speaker 16 (20:24):
Here, let's try to separate the fact from the fiction.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The Tea Party had risen to push back on Obama's
massive growth in government, and the movement was hopping mad
about his attempt to take control of the American health industry.
Speaker 16 (20:36):
I want to know if.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
It's coming out of my pay chase.
Speaker 17 (20:41):
I want an answer to.
Speaker 13 (20:42):
The question, is the money coming out of.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Right pat They've decided that we're just stupid.
Speaker 17 (20:47):
And I don't want the government to do it.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
For I am not a right wing wacko.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
After a year long fight over Obama's proposed healthcare reform,
Nancy Pelosi use procedural maneuvers to force the controversial legislation
through Congress without a single Republican vote, And when she did,
the media openly feared that the White House could pay
a hefty price in the twenty ten mid term elections.
Speaker 18 (21:17):
The Democrats, they'll face some huge political vulnerabilities if this
blows up in the Senate. Now, and what's left is
this original Senate bill with all the special provisions. The
Cornhusker kicked back the special deal for Florida, the other
special deals that are in there, that could be horrible
for the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And that's hitting for Democrats. And for once, the media
was right. The passage of Obamacare enraged Republican voters all
across America. Again, Paul Gosar.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
The Obama administration, like Democrats tend to do, they tried
to force feed America in those first early years. You know,
in some ways they're very smart, get it over with
and make the other side try to undo the not
And one of those things happened to be healthcare.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was an issue that Paul was passionate about, and
it became one of the pillars of his candidacy. At first,
he thought he'd be able to keep his dentistry practice
while running for Congress.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
So what I would do is work early in the
morning till usually like one or two in the afternoon,
hop in the car and drive somewhere. Talk to people,
have coffees, even if it was one person or two people,
just that retail kind of politics, talking one on one
with people, getting their ideas.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But as Paul spent time talking to voters, he came
to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to keep
his practice and run for office. The district he was
looking to represent was bigger than the state of Pennsylvania,
a very rural area with farmers, ranchers, miners, timberfolks, and
Native Americas. To win, he'd need to devote all of
his time. So we sold this practice to a colleague
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son and put everything on the line.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
And our thought is if my wife's thought was, if
we don't win, then we're going to go do the
American thing, go somewhere else and try to start all
over again. And so we really did take a shot
on the reading railroad where it let us. We didn't
quite know.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
In the primary, Paul faced nine.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Opponents and we ran the table. So in the primary
we won, We doubled down on the next two people.
We tried to make it cordial what we could do
for the people in Arizona's first district. And we still
stay friends today, all nine of us. And then I
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took on an.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Incumbent again, Tom ben Flyin.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
We knew it was going to be close. It's a
swing district. The Democrat incumbent at that time as a
lady who was well liked and she's not a crazy,
you know, burn down the House Democrat, which is what
you know, seems to be the new model. John F.
Kennedy would recognize her, you know, as a Democrat. So
she was tough to beat.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
She had one point four million in her bank and
we had forty thousand in the bank, and we beat
her very convincingly, even with a libertarian in the race.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The twenty ten midterm elections ended up being a red tsunami.
Speaker 19 (24:29):
Some election nights are more fun than others. Some are exhilarating,
some are humbling. Now I'm not recommending for every future president,
but they take a shellacking like they like I did
last night.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
With Paul now headed to d C, he worked to
build his staff.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Not all of our first picks worked out, but one
of the picks that really worked out was my friend
Tom van Flyn, who I asked to follow me here
and he did so.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
He has been come out to DC and be his
legislative director. And I was at a good point point
in my legal career to take a break. Like I
had done trial work, I had mastered it, I had
tons of success doing it, and I was ready to
try something different at that point. And I told him
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I would do it for one year, you know. I
give him my word. I said, I'll do this one year,
you know. And then I got to get back and
to making money and practicing law. And I never did
go back to making money.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
This was an incredible time for Republicans. They picked up
sixty three seats in the House, their biggest gain in
almost sixty five years. The American electorate had sent a
clear message to Washington, d C. They wanted a change
in direction, and Paul Gosar, the kid from Rock Springs, Wyoming,
and Tom van Flyin, the lawyer from Alaska, we're a
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part of this historic moment. Tom remembers the energy of
that twenty ten Tea Party wave.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
There was so much optimism and so much hope for
the future that they were going to put a stop
to the Obama administration's nonsense and reverse some of these
horrific policies that had already started to undermine just the
values that they believed were fundamental to the country. And
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at first, you know, they elected John Bayner Speaker, and
John Bayner is a conservative.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
John Bayner got back to business as it should be.
There were open rules. I mean, I remember, you know,
two three times a week we were up at two
o'clock at night doing you know, amendments on the process.
And it was fabulous. It was fun. It was busy,
it was a lot of work, but it was fun.
It was engaging, and you got to have your say.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
But John Baynor had a house with many establishment Republicans
he had to deal with as well.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
But he also had to manage an unruly and a
very large membership that consisted of New York Republicans, which
they're not Tea Party folks. They're kind of old school Rockefeller.
You know, let's get along, go along kind of guys.
There's nothing wrong with them, but they represent the people
of that area and those values. And then you had
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hardcore conservatives. These hardcore conservatives were like, no, we're all
about the constitution. We're about getting back to the rule
of law. We need to, you know, stop these unauthorized mandates,
and we need to enforce the border, and we need
to stop the legal immigration. And these guys came in
with a lot of enthusiasm to get that done. They
did try. They tried to balance the budget multiple times,
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they passed bills to balance the budget, and they worked hard,
and all of it, all of it died a quick
death in the Senate that was controlled at the time
by Harry Reid. And since the Democrats had the Senate,
nothing the House did mattered because then on the big
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issues that had to pass. So there's all have to
pass bills, it had to compromise.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Tom is referring to bills that have to pass in
order for government to function, like bills that fund the
military or the government itself. We've seen how these negotiations
sometimes lead to a government shut down, an event that
the GOP establishment desperately tries to avoid because the liberal
mainstream media always places the blame solely on the feet
of the Republicans.
Speaker 17 (28:26):
Brown's latest poll found that seventy two percent of Americans
oppose the government shut down, and a growing number put
most of the blame on Republicans in Congress.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
It's definitely going to hurt Republicans a lot more because
I think what people are seeing is that there's one
side that's really intransigent.
Speaker 20 (28:44):
About two thirds say that Republicans in Congress really shoulder
the bulk of the responsibility for the shutdown.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So far, Terry, it looks like the Democrats may be
winning the propaganda war in this whole thing, at least
for now.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
And the game was getting played where the Democrats were
able to negotiate pretty much all their priorities, and the
Conservatives never really got any meaningful reforms as part of
their package. So the compromise always was, you know, to
give the Democrats what they wanted this time, and we'll
get them next time. Kind of an attitude next time
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never came.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
This happens largely because the Democrats and establishment Republicans both
understand that every American cultural institution, the media, Hollywood, big tech,
and the so called experts in academia are all on
the side of the Democrats and are ready to place
the blame of a shutdown or failure of an important
bill on the doorstep of the GOP. The Democrats are
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successful at doing this by having every media outlet slam
conservatives twenty four to seven. Big Tech make sure the
top trending stories are slanted against the right. Celebrities enter
the fray with rants against the Republicans, and even the
musicians Pylon.
Speaker 12 (29:54):
Hey, y'all, I just want to remind you, because it's
been a little bit over three weeks. Trump is now
ordering as a summ is seeing federal the work is
to go back to work without getting paid.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It takes a unique kind of person to be the
recipient of attacks from America's leftist cultural institutions, and not waiver.
John Bayner was not one of those kinds of people.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And I still remember the day when he basically said
I'm tired of doing this. I'm going to go to
Obama and cut a deal. And that's what rankled so
many people in the conference and so many of my
big class. And then it became a push versus shove.
This is the way we do things, You're just going
to have to get used to it. And that didn't
set well with me, nor did it set well with
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a bunch of others.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
So I remember the optimism, and it was a slow
death by a thousand cuts of that optimism.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
This process of appeasement continued when Paul Ryan became Speaker
of the House in twenty fifteen. Ryan proved he'd compromise
to give the left whatever they wanted. Many grassroots conservatives
had high hopes that this pattern would be broken when
the New York real estate mogul won the election, but
they quickly learned that wasn't the case. As the media, Hollywood,
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big tech, and the like waged an unprecedented attack on
President Trump, the GOP establishment again caved.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
It turns out it doesn't only matter, you know, if
we run the House or not. We had two years
where we controlled the House, we controlled the Senate, and
we control the presidency. The two years from twenty sixteen
twenty eighteen, after President Trump was elected and Paul Ryan
was Speak of the House and Mitch McConnell was Senate President,
were a complete waste of time. Other than one bill,
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the tax reform Bill, they did nothing to help the president,
in fact opposed him, undermined him, And it was such
an opportunity for reform, meaningful reform on so many different areas,
many reforms that could have been done, just warrant, the
ability to tackle big tech, deal with censorship, which was
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already occurring back then, could have been done but wasn't.
And in the House leadership just a strong anti Trump feeling.
And that's when new Ler investigation was taking off, and
I think some of those guys were hoping he'd be
impeached and removed over that, and it just was a
squandered opportunity. The American public won, the Conservatives won, We
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had it all, and those guys said, Nope, he didn't
win anything.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Paul Ryan openly undermined the leader of his party. And
how was he punished. Well, he was given a place
on the Fox News board. Rock ribbed Conservatives like Paul
Gosar have faced these types of DC establishment hurdles time
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and time again, and in one instant, it got extremely personal.
After his first campaign win in twenty ten, the Arizona
map was redrawn and Paul Gosar's district was split in
a way to make his reelection difficult, but he won. Anyways,
he went again in twenty fourteen. In twenty sixteen by
giving his constituents a voice, he set up town halls
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and gave them a chance to not only air complaints
but also present solutions.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
And that's why we've become one of the most accomplished
members of Congress getting you know, we've had fifteen bills
done in our ten years. They've been signed. It a law,
and people look at me and go, how are you
doing it? And it's because we work together with people.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Paul Gosar's success and his strong support of President Trump
made him a target of the left. So when the
twenty eighteen midterm elections came along, the Democrats decided it
was time to hit Paul below the belt.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I was blindsided, to be very honest with.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You, and what happened next could have broken almost any man.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
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Speaker 1 (34:11):
Welcome back. So, Paul Gosar's success and his strong support
of President Trump made him a target of the left.
When the twenty eighteen midterm elections came along, the Democrats
decided it was time to hit Paul below the belt.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I was blindsided, to be very honest with.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You, and what happened next could have broken almost any man.
Paul was waiting for a flight with a Democrat colleague and.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He said, just want to let you know you're tough
enough to take it. That there's a video coming, and
that's all he said. And then the video comes out.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Paul Gosser, the congressman, isn't doing anything to help rural America.
Speaker 17 (34:50):
Paul's absolutely not working for his district.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Paul's Democrat challenger ran an attack ad. It opened like
many political commercials with testimonials against Paul, and he's.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Not listening to you and he doesn't have your interests
at heart.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
But then as it progressed, this shocking twist was revealed.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
My name is Tim Gosar, David Gosar, Grace Gosar, Joan Gosar,
Justin Gosar.
Speaker 10 (35:14):
Jennifer Gostar.
Speaker 11 (35:15):
Paul Gosar is my brother, my brother, and I endorsed
doctor Brill.
Speaker 20 (35:19):
Doctor Brill wholeheartedly endorsed doctor David Burrill for Congress. I'm
doctor David Brill, and I approved this message.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Six of Paul's siblings endorsed his opponent.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
And to say I was upset would be an understatement.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
His Democrat challenger had gotten when that several of Paul's
siblings were anti Trump progressives, six of them agreed to
be involved in an attack ad against their own brother. Again,
Tom van Flein.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
The implicit message is if your own child or young
brother or your own sister doesn't like you, then you
must really be bad or what do they know about
you that behind the scenes. That's kind of the implicit
message is this guy must be a monster.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
You know, both my mom and dad were you know,
Republican stal wars. My dad was a delegates from Wyoming
in sixty eight and seventy two, my mom in seventy six.
And you have seven very liberal Democrats or progressives. I
wouldn't even call them democrats, they're progressives. And where things
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went wrong? When my mom is still is torn up,
she doesn't get this.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And how are those siblings rewarded for their betrayal? Well,
just about every TV show that even remotely Touched on
Politics aired a story on their commercial.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
It's the new shocking political out that's making waves around
Arizona and the country for that matter. Congressman Paul Gosar's
own siblings endorsed the other candidate, David Brill.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Six siblings all speaking out against their brother as he
makes another bid for Congress.
Speaker 21 (36:52):
What is this for real?
Speaker 5 (36:53):
This is for real?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
The family resemblance is unmistakable, but apparently blood only goes
so far.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
The six say they cannot stand by their brother's positions
on healthcare, immigration, and the environment.
Speaker 13 (37:06):
So what would you do if you were running for
office and you're six or seven, or nine or ten
brothers and sisters decided to publicly say we are not
supporting you because you're too out there for us.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Democratic candidate David Brill says his team reached out to
the siblings knowing there was a divide between them and
their brother.
Speaker 20 (37:31):
They love America, and they love their family and their
family's values, and that they feel that our congressman has
departed from both.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Brill says they told their story willingly.
Speaker 20 (37:41):
I really have to say, these are courageous and principled people.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
It's horrible to have to do this.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
It's a family feud being played out in a political
ass unlike any you've ever seen.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
For sure on this matter, you know, I mean, if
you have all of someone's siblings saying this person is
a lunatic, this person is a jerk, please vote for
the other person.
Speaker 17 (38:03):
I just can't believe that that's not going.
Speaker 20 (38:04):
To be persuasive.
Speaker 17 (38:05):
So will this actually work?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
That's going to be an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Harol, ABC News, NBC News, CBS News, The Today Show, CNN, Vice, HBO,
Inside Edition, The View, all ran stories on the commercial.
The left used the cultural platforms it owned to punish
the Republican. Paul could have cowered in a corner over
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the entire ordeal. He could have backed down and compromised
his principles, as his siblings wanted.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
If you could say anything to your brother, what would
you say?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Resigned?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
He could have even angrily lashed out at them, but
he didn't. Instead, he took a different route. Paul turned
to humor.
Speaker 16 (38:46):
You can't pick your family. Ghostar tweeted to the six
angry Democrat gostars, see you at mom and Dad's house.
Their mother weighing in, telling The New York Times her
congressman's son has done a hell of a job for
Arizona and they love him. Ghostar responded, I guess I
really am mom's face.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
One of the things that we do in my office
is is that we talk it out before.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
We respond again, Tom van Flein.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
Initially, when you are attacked personally, your first gut response
is an emotional one. You want to strike back, and
so we make it a point when stuff like this
happens to not do that and just take it. Take
a minute, let's reflect on this, let's think about this.
And one thing we have learned about the left and
(39:31):
our opponents is they completely lack a sense of humor.
They are unable to mean, they are unable to address sarcasm,
they are unable to address humor in any form when
it's directed against them.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Ridicule is the harshest thing that you can do to somebody.
It's intolerable by somebody else. So when you take some
hatred and you turn it upside down, you know, people go,
there's a bigger person for that, and you allow them
to step on the themselves. And that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
In interviews, some of Paul's siblings began to reveal how
they let far left propaganda infect their minds.
Speaker 19 (40:12):
And well, hey, Paul must agree to disagree about taking
babies from their parents at the borders.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
And I think there will be some people wondering, Grace,
why not have this conversation privately with your brother.
Speaker 11 (40:23):
Well, I feel like in confronting Pole in this way,
we offer a challenge to them that we don't really
have them in any other way.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
But there was a very nice light at the end
of the tunnel, Patrick, and that was is that for
a lot of my nieces and nephews, I was their dentist,
and they knew me as that dentist, and they didn't
understand why their parents were so offset against me. I've
had some wonderful conversations with my nieces and nephews. I
haven't talked to ill about their their mother or father.
(40:54):
I gave them my side of the story. That's what
anybody is entitled to, and then you have to make
your own mind up.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
In the end, the average tizement backfired. Paul went is
raised by a landslide, and Paul and Tom learned something.
They learned that using humor, a powerful cultural weapon, helped
them win. They used a technique almost entirely monopolized by
the left. Paul went on to use this weapon to
(41:25):
promote a serious topic. He used that Epstein didn't kill
himself meme to promote the lunacy of the Democrats impeachment
inquiry against the president.
Speaker 21 (41:35):
Congressman Gosar, we are proud to say, joins us on
the set tonight, you sent out twenty three tweets in
a row. Yes, spelling in acrostic code. The first letter
of each tweet spells out Epstein didn't kill himself. It
made my day personally. But tell me why you did that.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Well, we wanted to have a different delivery mechanism and
to a group of people that may not even be
following what's going on with this fake in impeachment inquiry
of the president.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yes, and it got the results that we wanted. This
is how fun it is. My chiefest staff and I
are in a cab and we're talking about how this
thing is going crazy. They've got thirty two million hits
and so the taxi driver here's us talking about it. It
means back and he goes, are you guys the ones
who did the chronics? And we're like, yes, and I said,
we've made it when the taxi car drivers tells you, hey,
(42:19):
you know I follow your chronics.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Today, Paul Gosar spends much of his time in Congress
fighting for America First values, and Tom is still helping
him along the way, Which leads us back to the
question why do Democrats always seem to get what they want?
(42:44):
The answer is the left uses culture to win. The
left owns the mainstream media, they own Hollywood, academia, and
big tech, and by doing so, the Democrats define our
culture and the rules of the game. They use the
power of these platforms to either destroy their opponent or
they create an environment so hostile that weak need Republicans
(43:07):
always succumb to the pressure and acquiesce to the demands
of the left. The right has no ability to impose
the same kind of cultural shame that the left can
inflict on Republicans at will. The Democrats know this, and
that's why they get what they want. There are very
few Republican politicians that understand this dynamic, that politics is
(43:28):
downstream of culture. Paul Gosar understands this. To fight back,
the right must make a long term commitment to developing
their own cultural institutions. Conservatives need media outlets with journalists
that cover culture. They need their own movie studios, their
own big tech platforms, their own streaming services, and publishing
houses producing more than just political content. The right needs
(43:51):
to create works of fiction and documentaries that shift the
public opinion in their favor, because if they don't create
their own cultural platforms, the Republicans will always be playing
by the left's rules, rules that they Democrats will rig
the second they're given the opportunity.
Speaker 15 (44:06):
As we pass the John Lewis voting right sick, we
should keep marching to make it even better by making
sure every American is automatically registered to vote, including former
inmates who've earned their second chance. And if all this
takes eliminating the filibuster, then that's what we should do.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
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