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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day clicks up the Breakfast Club, finish for y'all
done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is Steve j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. Yes, sir at Gerbo, Welcome and congratulations.
Man the number one record a couple of weeks ago, grass.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Man, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I's a field number one record.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I feel good. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I feel great.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It feel great. I'll just be trying to like stay
in the moment real just just keep it like up,
you know, like when you where you got those type
of moments you just trying to figure out like all right,
well I me personally, like I gotta figure out what's
the next best thing, Like what do I do next?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
From that? Like I try to live in a moment
and grasp up that energy. But just keep it going.
You're not trying to catch another number one.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm just trying to keep it going.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Did you expect that to be the record because it's
not your typical of course, Well, it was just you
just spitting.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Nah, Hell Noah, for sure. I was just literally, I
can't say it enough. It was just me just having
fun in the studio. I was in New York and
was in the studio me south Side Smack and you
know south Side Like I really, I'd be having to
give a lot of credit to Big Bro because he
want the only people that could tell me, like, rap
on this, just rap on this and figure it out
(01:19):
like just rap And that's what I did and that
that should changed my life?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Who picked it as a single? Like was it just
I'm just gonna release and see what happened?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And it just took over.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
That's why I like, as artists, you gotta like really
just bet on yourself for real, for real. Because I
was in the in a mold of just trying to
do music and see what the streets connected to.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I didn't even like that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Song came out and December on my app. I got
an app on my own app, like where I just
put out music material content. All this is just for
the people who really support me. Like you know what
I'm saying, My fans, they know about the g app.
I put it out on my app on a project
that I was just recording all samples too, Like I
did a project with all samples and it couldn't even
(02:10):
go on Apple Music.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It couldn't go on DSPs.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You know what I'm saying. Like I put it out
on the APP in December, and the label put it
out on DSPs in like March April. So it's like
you gotta just trash it and just see what the
streets fuck with you? App I appreciate it. Has it
changed the bag? Has that single changed your bag?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Because see I'll be thinking that.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
You know a lot of people be fronting on like
the power of radio and having a big radio record.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Speak to that.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Man for sure, And you gotta put money in radio though,
like you gotta, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What you put in it, come out. We'll go out
on the wash, come out on the wrist.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Whatever they're saying is you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So like.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've always been like I knew because I've been independent
this whole time. So I know about like analytics, I
know about like residuals, I know what, Like one record
can really change your life, you know what I'm saying, Like,
and I finally caught that record that like that life
changing records.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So yeah, the bag been.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Crazy and the royalties from radio are better than the streaming.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, absolutely for sure. And it's like once you once
you get a song that really go radio, it's like
it's just like it just changed everything for real.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Change the places you actually perform at for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Exactly like you could put you could put you put
money in radio for sure for what to do what
it's supposed to do. But just like even like it's
a difference between like putting something in radio for just
get on the radio for shit to get like rhythmic
play playlists, you know what I'm saying, Like all of that.
It's just a big super difference. Like I'll be talking
to like Make all the time. It's just like once
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you get a record, Like I'm not even talking about
what legit Like there's certain records that like the format
where you know it could go radio, you know what
I'm saying, Like I feel like every artist, all you
need is like one radio record a year, just one, like.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You feel I'm saying, it ain't that easy to get one.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
It's not easy at all. But like you know, hit Maker,
that's my big brother, Like he the god of this
ship like you fee what I'm saying, Like he know
the whole formula he do it like and that's why
he's so rich, like that Nigga richest shit because he
on radio every year at least.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Point it out right for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Wallow Herb, Willow Herb. I was just trying to like
tap into like that old hunger, like my old self.
And when I be rapping good and shit, like I
be reading comments and shit, sometimes my fans be like,
oh that ain't they Ain't.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You heard what?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That's little herd, you know what I'm saying. Like I
feel like that was like one of my best errors
of rap. Like I always been able to rap. I'm
an EMC, so it's like I don't care if I'm
not even all the way tapped into like my confidence
and all of that shit. I'm always gonna be able
to rap good. You feel me, But like once you
really focus on straight rap, it's different.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's what I was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So that's why I went and like name my album
of Herb like I was going up like listening to
old interviews, listen to old music videos. I mean, watch
old music videos, listen to old songs and shit like that,
and like I was just trying to find like a
higher level of rap for myself, you know what I'm saying.
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And I say this all the time, like you could
really get caught up in what's in front of you,
Like always been the type of person like I say
this a lot a lot of rooms that I was in,
I wasn't really in the rooms, you know what I'm saying,
because I'm thinking about like my past. I'm thinking about
what I gotta do when I get out the room.
Like I'm just saying what's up, Like there's certain conversations
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that I really couldn't have because my mind is all
over the place. You feel me, Like so like in
this like era where I am mentally, I was just
trying to.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like find that old hunger that made me enjoy what.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I have now, you know what I'm saying, Like like
that's that's why I really named my project Little Herb,
because like you were, like on the day to day,
I'm thirty years old. I've been rapping since I was
like sixteen for real, for real, like you feel me,
And I was trying to figure out like damn, like
it's like all the steps to that it took me
(06:19):
to get here. You feel what I'm saying, Like I
forgot a lot. I'm not gonna lie. It's a lot
of shit that I did that I forgot.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So it's like I.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Wanted to make myself remember, so I had to like
go back in and like tap in with my old
self for real.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I heard you say, Little Herb is a full circle
moment and it's a return to the fundamentals. But you
closing the chapter on the little Herb area, what what
is closing that chapter actually look like?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Closing that chapter is like for real, just letting go,
Like it's a lot of shit that I held on
to that I just don't need no more.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Like for real, for real, like the.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Street therapy talk right there.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Just letting go for real real and it is. It
is definitely therapy that helped me. It's like a lot
of that you hold on to you just like just
let it go, Just let it go and just let
it find you. You know what I'm saying, Like, no,
for real, Like I was one of the people that
just like my heart is so big, and I feel
like people knew that, Like people knew that, Like they
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grab me and I'm grabbing them back. You fee what
I'm saying, Like I'm holding on to that type of shit.
It's like that's just letting that chapter go like.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I should.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Like and people been saying this to me for years
and I've been knowing it, but I never really acted
on it. Like I shouldn't focus on nothing but music
and my family and like God, like that's the only
thing that I should wake up and care about. I
shouldn't really give a fuck about how somebody else eat
or how somebody else get the work or get the
sleep or any of that shit, and not worried about
that for years. Like let's be closing that chapter, Like
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I'm gonna tap into this, tell my story and just
let go for let go and let God for real
for and that go for everything and everybody. And it's
a whole other chapter opening for me because everything that
got me here, I don't I don't even really have.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It no more, for real real, like all my friends dead.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'm finna be a real, one hundred percent independent artist,
Like I don't got no label, no production company. I'm
one hundred percent a real new person and a new artist.
So it's like I just want to just tap into
this shit, do what I need to do, and I'm
already doing it for real. But just like letting go
for real, like I don't. I don't want to have
no attachments other than family, No bullshit.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
How did you balance revisiting like those old traumas with
the grown man you are now like you're thirty, so
you your a whole new level of life. You don't
shift to the face shot that kid, nineteen year old kid?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
No more? Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
My homie, my one of my best friends.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He used to say this shit like he only probably
like eight months older than me. He like, bro, once
you touched thirty, you just gonna start, I think, he said.
He used to tell me, I can't wait you turn
thirty like he turned thirty. He like, I can't wait
till you turn thirty because it's just like it's like
a light switch.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Like shit, just you know what I'm saying, just tap in.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
For you and it's for me for real, Like I promise, I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I don't be wanting to sound like cliche or corny
and none of this type of shit. But like my
girl is like my toughest critic, Like she's one of
the people who really just like stay on me, like
she tell me a lot of shit that I know
and I don't act on you know what I'm saying,
which is coming to like my business, niggas around me.
(09:33):
You feel what I'm saying, like all of that you
feel me like and like to kind of like tap
into the what you were saying. The question is like
you just gotta you just gotta really like just go
with your gut, your intuition. You fee what I'm saying.
Like a lot of times niggas question theyself and feel
like all right, but you know you might know the answer,
you might know right from wrong and not do it
(09:55):
because you question it has going to like affect other people.
You feel what I'm saying, And I'm one of them
type of people, but like I'm one of them type
of people that think about how it's going to affect
other people. And like I was saying that, like because
my girl she like she don't give a fuck, like
she don't care, and you need that, like you need
it because like I really got to stop caring for real,
(10:16):
for real, Like I feel like I care too much
and I like done certain shit or not done certain
things because I'm figuring. I'm feeling like it's going to
affect people in a negative way or whatever way it is.
You know what I'm saying. It's like if you got
a good heart, if you just lead with what is
right for you, like it'll it'll work out for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Now you talk about Meek Mill changing your life, right, Yeah,
he was your inspiration. Yeah, break that down to what
you've seen in milk, that meat that made you think
that you can do it.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Bro. Literally, I've just got done listening to We're Gonna
get this money right now on my way here.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like, Meek is my.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Favorite rapper for real, Bro, it's my big better And
I was just with Meek last night. We just did
a song last night. We was in the.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Studio last night, I believe, yeah, two nights ago.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Who's list in the studio the other day. But Meek
is just like like he's like I used to listen
to me and watch me when he was a battle rapper.
But when he really got rich and made this shit happen,
It's like all right, But that like it's different from
me watching like Wayne and hole Man. You know what
(11:23):
I'm saying, Like I couldn't like I could relate to it.
But it's like when I grew up and me, I've
seen them niggas rich already, Like I seen Meek turn
rich coming from the streets and going through all the
shit that he went through and really like talking about
it and preaching like positivity and motivation. That shit made
(11:44):
me feel like I just want to be like that
for real, real, Like that nigga really like helped me
grow into the artist that I am today, for real
real because like damn, like this nigga, Meek, like it's
not like he was an artist and he was like
far away, you knowe what I'm saying, Like I felt
like I.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Could grasp on to that shit and become that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Like this nigga is a real street nigga that became
the biggest in the world. Like he became the biggest
best rat and he's a rap guy. Like I love rapping.
I'm an mc so I studied that first and foremost.
But just a blueprinter like that nigga, Like he like
he gave you the real blueprint. Like you get on,
you take care of niggas, you do what you supposed
(12:27):
to do. You take care of your family, your mother,
like that nigg used to make me like I just
used to have to just get money to my mama.
Just like thinking about that type of shit. You fee
what I'm saying. Like I retire my mom when I
was sixteen years old, bro literally and they put a
lot of pressure on me. I told my mama stopped
working when I was sixteen.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
She never worked.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Since I'm taking care of her, my aunties, my whole
family since I was sixteen. That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I hell, love of pressure, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But how do you I was one question I was
gonna say, So, now you're the meat meal for a
lot of these younger artists, So what do you show
them to show them that they can do it? What
do you do different? So because you know you got
a lot of kids watching and they want to be.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Increble for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like for me, it's I just try to like what's
the word, Like you gotta like show them's like like
what Mek did for real, like being.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Show fel tangible.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You just gotta showing Like Like the thing with me
that I feel like make a difference a lot is
I let people see me in a physical like you
gotta see it like have conversations like seeing is believing.
You feel what I'm saying, Like, you know you could do
this when you could actually get in front of somebody
like me. Growing up, I never seen nobody that I
looked up to, and I wanted to be like in
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front of me talking to me. You know what I'm saying,
Like I just had to have a manpower, like I
could do it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I'm gonna do it. You fel what I'm saying. And
it happened for me.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And when I got a certain age like nineteen twenty eight,
like those ages when I started traveling and having conversations
with people that I looked up to, But like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
them years really matter whereas like you know what I'm saying,
and I try to be the person where I just
go back and do certain things and go touch the community,
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and you know what I'm saying, tell them that they
could really make it, like this shit is nothing for real,
like but like and I ain't gonna say it's nothing
like it's it's a task.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
For sure, it's hard, but it's easy at the same time.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
All you gotta do is wake up and strive to
go get it and want to do it and believe
that you could do it. You just gotta have a vision.
You fee what I'm saying. And when I go look
at like these kids and be going to talk and
have conversations, like they got the same power that I got,
Like they really got something in them. They just don't
think it's possible. This shit is really possible, like they
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when you wake up and all you got is this
four block radius and your hood and the shit that
you're dealing with every day, you think that's your life,
but it's like it's so much outside of that. All
you gotta know is how to break that cycle. And
you feel what I'm saying, like, that's that's the thing
with me, Like I feel like that's what make a
difference in why people like believe in me because I try.
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I let him touch me. I let him, you know.
Paul's like, you know what I'm saying. I go see
the people.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I'm thinking about something now, and you made me think
about it when you said you've been rapping since she
was nineteen, because I can remember like your first friend,
I can remember your first early breakfast club interviews.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
But then it started getting me thinking about all of
these artists we've seen from Chicago that have come through
come through here the past fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You talk about what's possible.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Man, you are proof that's surviving as possible, and Chief
Keiths proof that's surviving.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Is sure, so so definitely know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
People like Dirk that's locked up, people like Bond that's
no longer here, plenty of other artists you probably interview
from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
How does that feel? It feel great?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Man?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
You know, And I'm gonna say this again. I'm gonna
shout make out real quick because he just told me
the other day and it's like he told me this before,
but him telling me the other.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Day is just like.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
If a difference, a different feeling to him saying. It's
like he's like, man, want you to chosen one. It's
certain things that just affect you differently, you know what
I'm saying. And I learned that from the streets, Like
I didn't bump my head so many times and did
so much and been arrested in and fell off and
came back or whatever the case may be. You know
what I'm saying. It's like when you do certain things,
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God just punish you differently because you can't get away
with that, you feel I'm saying, like you would think
you would see somebody else doing it, like, oh he
did it, and you can't do that because God got
a different path for you. And like surviving in Chicago,
just making it out of the streets alone is a blessing.
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Like it's literally like I'd be seeing some of my
homies and certain people that just like but and I
understand it. Other people don't get it. Like it's certain
people where you just like you just like wash your
hands with everything. I know, certain niggas that was real
menaces in the streets that don't do nothing but just
be at home with their girl and their kids now
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because they just want peace. Like damn, I made it
out this shit. I can't believe I'm still alive. Like
a lot of people never experience life to that capacity
where they're just grateful that they're alive, that they still here,
you knowe what I'm saying. And it's a lot of
people when it comes surviving, you gotta you gotta make decisions,
and it gotta be calculated, and it's a lot of
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people that's just raised off survival or you will do anything.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's a difference, like when you survive and you just
raised off survival.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Like I'm trying to explain that with Like, it's certain
people where if you just like survival is your first.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Instinct, you will do anything. You will kill your closest friend,
you a snitch, rob steal from your mama.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Your grandma, and and you gotta understand this, like it's
just life. It's certain people who don't know nothing else.
They was raised off of survival. They mother and father
raised them off of survivals. So it's like a lot
of people don't understand that, you know what I'm saying,
It's just me being here today. I try to, Like
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I think that's one of the reasons why, Like I
probably got took advantage of so much because I understand
both sides of the fence, and I try to get
everybody the benefit of the doubt, you know what I'm saying,
Like I try to, like I try to think about
putting myself in other people's shoes before I make a decision,
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you know what I'm saying. Like I always before I
do anything, I always think about the consequences, repercussions, everything.
So if I do something to anybody or do anything
I thought about it so many times. I'm comfortable with
how it play out, you know what I'm saying, and
like you like, it's only certain people that think like that,
especially in life and coming from Chicago, you gotta think
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about both sides of the fence. It's certain people that
think a lot, and it's certain people that don't think
at all. You feel me and this shit like, it's
a blessing to be for sure, for sure because I've
seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I experienced a lot. I've seen a lot of death, and.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I just come from one of the toughest neighborhoods in Chicago,
like one of the most poverty struck in neighborhoods where
it's like I was a kid and people used to
like a lady walked out. I think I said this
before on a breakfast club interview when I was when
I was in Shorty, Like a lady walked up on me.
I'm waiting on my mom. She coming from the laundry man.
Lady walked up on me, like you got some c
I'm like, m hmm, like what.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I'm like what. She's like, you got some c?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
She asks for crack. I'm like nine years old. I'm
like nineteen, wait on my mama to come in the house,
like you got some sea. I'm like what, Yeah, she
asked me if I had cracked, literally a kid three
in the morning, I'm outside because that's now you're selling.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Crack for real, for real, So when did you get some?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
That's the statute of limitations with this ship for real
crack a statute of limitations for sure. But I always
been one of them kids. It's like I just wanted
to get money. I knew how to get money early on,
you know what I'm saying. And I used to do
shit to just get fly, like get fresh and shit.
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You know what I'm saying. And I'm blessed that I
didn't have to do it for long. You feel me
like I ain't got like I started really making money
off music at sixteen years old, but I was outside
two for sure.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
What the first record you made money off?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
What did the Nicky record?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
What?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Chicago? Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The first record?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I actually like when we started making money, like after
Kills Shit came out? Yeah, killed Shit.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I was gonna ask what you know? He mentioned Sosa,
He mentioned Vaughan, mentioned Dirt.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Have you spoke to dirt.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, I supposed to. I supposed to Smirk saw
the dirt probably like a month, month or two ago.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
How is he doing?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, he doing good for sure, like mentally, And that's
the thing about Smirk. If you know him, you know
he good like that. Nigga's really a real discipline mentally
strong nigga for real, for real, like this shit just
like he just like this is just a part of
his journey. Like he know he coming from under this shit.
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We all know he coming from under this the shit,
you know what I'm saying. But like he's he he
won them type of niggas, like he never gonna lose hisself.
All he doing is praying, talking to his family, like
connecting with God. You know what I'm saying, Like shit
like that, And yeah, Smirk definitely good. I spoke to him.
I sent them like a little snippet of music that
I'm putting out and the music that I like was
(21:37):
saying his name and shit like that. You feel what
I'm saying, Like smart brother, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We smirked.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
So for little Herd. Right, do you are you getting personal?
Like are we hearing the pain? Because you have been
through a lot since you lost your friends and then
go the rest of your dad. So you know what
I'm saying, You've been through a lot of shit. Yeah,
So are we getting the personal getting the pain?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Definitely? I'm speaking about like everything.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I feel like I've I covered a lot in this album.
I'm really talking about a lot, a lot, A lot,
a lot, and it makes me feel good though, you
know what I'm saying. Like it's like rap always been
a form of like therapy for me, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So it's like.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Certain I don't really like when I'm in the studio,
I just rap, and just like I got to a
point in my life in my career where I don't
think about like how people gonn receive it, like how
the world gonna receive it, have my family gonna receive
it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I just speak about whatever is on my mind and
go from there.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You knowee what I'm saying. And that's how I picked
the records. You feel what I'm saying and I don't.
I'm saying that to say like I don't really realize
all the shit I'm talking about and what I cover
until I'm hearing it. Like I'm a speaker, you know,
what I'm saying. I just go in the studio and
rap and like here a week later, two weeks later,
like damn, I just said some shit like like yeah,
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now for sure that this album is And you know
I altaists say this all the time. I feel like
I always feel like this, but like you would say, like, oh,
you're this is one of my best projects, Like I don't.
I'm not even gonna say this is my best project
or my best body of work. I really don't feel
like it's my best body of work, but I just
feel like it's my best era of rap. I feel
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like I'm rapping better than I ever rapped before. Like
however they receive it or whoever feel like this project
better than this one or not, Like I just know
for a fact I'm rapping so good and I gave
it my all for sure.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
That Therapeutic was this album. Though, in regard to your
grieving process, because I hear you mention your brother a lot,
especially on Give It All, How did that help?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I ain't gonna lie that I've been dealing with del
since I was a kid. Bro Like I lost I
started losing friends when I was like fourteen years old.
You know, like, and I'm talking about that, I'm touching
on that my and my album, my project. But you
gotta really like realize I'm thirty years old. I've been
losing people I love for fifteen years and still managing
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to wake up and make it happen and beg herbo
and take pictures and smile for the fans, Like I
really didn't lost some of my best friends and had
to go do a show that same day, you know
what I'm saying, Like my homie Cap died twenty fifteen,
I had to perform in front of ten thousand people.
I just had to find an emmy. A lot of
people can't do that. A lot of people like non,
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I just lost my homie. Fuck this shit, I'm gonna
go spind like.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I want to go do the show.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Like so it's like, I feel like I'm really destined
for this shit. I chose my own destiny, I chose
my own path. And I'm saying that, like for me,
they experience all of that death and feel like I
was numb to it. When my little brother died, it
changed my life. That was some of the worst pain
that I ever felt in my life. Ever, I could
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never I never could fathom, like, and I'm a street nigga,
Like when I wake up, when I walk out the house,
I feel like I'm gonna die, like you know, like
I really feel like that, and that's what get me home.
You feel what I'm saying, Like every step, every move
that I take is calculated. And I never felt like
he was gonna die, you know what I'm saying, Like,
no bullshit, I never ever think like him. Hell no,
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I just I never thought he was going to die.
Every day I wake up, wake up, I really feel
like I'm gonna die. I feel like somebody would do
something to me. And that's just the life I live.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And that's just you still feel like that because I
remember the last day you said you feel like that.
You said you were going to therapy to help you, and.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It helped me with it helped me with it.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
But like, nah, hell no, And I'm glad that even
going through therapy and and like growing and healing the
way that I've healed in my life, I'm kind of
glad that I never lost that edge for real, because
that's how I protect myself, That's how I protect my children,
that's how I make sure I get back home, you
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feel I'm saying, like, and I'm not out here thuging.
I ain't wild and I ain't doing no crazy shit.
Some days I leave the house and it just be
just me by myself, no security, nothing.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
But I'm still on point.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I'm still watching my back, I'm still aware of my surroundings,
you feel I'm saying. So it's like I'm glad that
I never lost that edge real real and when like
going back to what you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
What you said, Charla.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Magne, Like when I when my little brother died, I
lost myself, Like I became an alcoholic, like a badass alcoholic.
I never used to drink bro I used to drink
a fifth of liquor every single day, like every day
by myself.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
My girl was pregnant when he died. You feel me, Like,
and I was like I was trying to like.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Not be that weak around her.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You feel me because she she know I didn't been
through shit, like she didn't been around me, and I
didn't lost homies.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
She used to like say shit like snap out of it,
like you feel me like she used to like say it,
but it's like I can't.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It was just so hard for me.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I really couldn't for real, Like I used to have
to leave the house just to go cry, like swear
to God, like just go get in the con just
cry for hour straight because I ain't want to do
that in front of her.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
And I felt like I should have. I should have,
I should have, but I was like I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I just And when she said snap out of it,
what does she mean, like.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Not snap out of the grief, snap out of the healing,
snap out of the crashing out like drinking and drinking
every day and wanting to go to the club and
just feel something because I really can't feel nothing, you
know what I'm saying. Like that was like that's what
she used to tell me to snap out of and
it was like it was hard, man, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Did people in your family try to like blame you
because you know, for whatever reason, when you the person
that made it when something bad go happen, they feel
like your success and your money could have kept that
person from being in that situation.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Nah, not really for real, for real, Like honestly they didn't.
And that was like the the biggest blessing. Nobody ever
blamed me for real, real like. And I had a
conversation with my grandma and I said this when I
did the This Ship with Shannon Sharp, I just did
an interview with him. And I had a conversation with
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my grandma and she made me like she It was
one of the conversations that made me snap out of
drinking and crashing out because she like, man, I already
lost him. I'm not finna lose you to this shit.
You feel what I'm saying. And she didn't blame me,
but like it was like my little brother was real,
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like good nigga, a solid nigga. And I know for
a fact he got killed because somebody wanted to hurt me.
For sure, it wasn't my fault. But she like, you
gotta do it the right way, like if you finish,
like no, everybody we grieve and we all going through
the same shit, but you can't grieve like that, like
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you gotta go make it like you gotta make this
shit happen for him, because it's like he not finna
die vain. You feel me like that was the conversation
that she held me, and that shit just turned me up.
And one of the last conversations I sort of got
my brother died at eleven am or some shit. We
was texting at four or five in the morning. My
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last conversation with him was just like, Bro, I don't
want to do nothing to see you win, like I
ain't never ask you for nothing, like he never really
asked me for no money. Everything I ever gave him,
everything we ever did was just like a bonus like that.
Nigga never asked me for no money ever. He never
asked me like give me this, buy me this, put
me on, do this, do that, And he been with
me every step of the way. You feel me, he
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just enjoyed the fruit of my label. That Nigga literally
never asked me for no money ever in life. And
our last conversation was, Bro, I just want to see
you win, like I just want you to do this shit.
And we was talking back and forth, and I saw
to God the next morning that Nigga died.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
So so were you blaming yourself That's why you was
trying to escape?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure, I was definitely blaming myself because I
just felt like and I used to have these conversations
with him, like I used to really tell him. And
that's the reason why I had to go back and
think and reflect because I used to tell that nigga, like, bro,
move to LA, like he got kids, just like I
got kids. I used to really tell that nigga, like, man,
go back and take care of them every now and then,
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or do whatever you need to do. Send that shit,
like Bro, just come with me, please, Like I used
to have that conversation with him, like Bro, just come
to La, move to La, like please just come out here.
You feel what I'm saying because I know what that
shit like, Bro, Like you feel what I'm saying Like
I used to. I used to talk to that nigga
and be like, Bro, just stop going back for real,
for real, because I'm thinking about that shit like he
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he my brother was in the streets, but I feel
like he was just naive to the fact, like he
really like like I said, like I used to leave
out the house and feel like I'm gonna die every day.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
He didn't have that man set. He didn't think like that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
If you feel me, and I used to think like that,
and it's scammy, Like I hate to see somebody I
love walking like man, this nigga could die.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Like you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
And I was blaming myself in a way because I
just felt like I should have, well I could have.
I ain't gonna say I should have, Like I felt
like I could have just like changed everybody in life
by force. And you can't do that. You can't feel
like you could save everybody, you know what I'm saying.
And I stopped blaming myself when I just realized that,
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like I realized, like you, like it was nothing I
could do for real, like I used to really I
used to think like that's why I was so fucked
up because I felt like even me being g Herbo,
being an artist, being a star, I wish I was
really with him when that shit happened, because it wouldn't
have happened like that, Like I would have put my
life on the line. I would have put everything on
the line one thousand percent, like the scenario on how
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he died. I feel like if I was you can't
feel like that, like cause you know you're thinking about
every scenario like I'm thinking, like if it was me
in there, like it probably wouldn't have happened like that.
I would have did this this way, but you don't know,
like you know what I'm saying God is that like
he's he is the person who control your destiny and say,
how like shit happened? But I'm thinking about that, and
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it's like I really used to like really wish I
was with him, Like I just really felt like I
wish like still to this day, I really wish I
just would have been there, like because I feel like
it wouldn't have happened that way.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But how do you stop yourself haashing out right? Like
we've seen it with Gilly and the bad One of
the worst things about the Internet is the internet to
make you you you lose yourself, right, They'll trick you
into taking you off the street. How did you say,
you know what, I'm just gonna stay focused and gave
my brother, but still focus on my family.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, because a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Of times people are like, now, I gotta get my
I gotta get my get back, I gotta do this,
I gotta do that, And it put you in so.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You're talking about like what I what I said on
the interview I just did with Gilly. It's like naturally,
it's like every action deserves a reaction, and I come
from a place where it's like you gotta react like
certain shit you do, like even if you like.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Some shit might happen to you today and you make
it home.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
When you get in the house, you're thinking about what
the people gonna say, Like what the.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Hood gonna say when I come back, I gotta do something.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You feel what I'm saying, and I want them niggas
like me personally, if I go to sleep, like with
it on my mind, like if I'm thinking about it
all day, I'm gonna have to do something like for real,
for real, Like if that shits stay on my brain
and I think about it three times, full times, five times.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That's what I feel like.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
It is eligible for me to not crash out but
react because I'm never gonna crash out because if I was,
I feel like the definition of when people say like
crash out is when you react right then off emotion.
That's a crash out. You feel what I'm saying, Like,
whatever I do to you, If I didn't thought about
this shit and calculating my steps and whatever consequences happened
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behind that, that's not a crash out Because.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm a choice. I'm okay with what happens.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You fee what I'm saying, like and for me, like
how I stop myself from doing that? Is like certain
shit is not worth it, Like I know for I
know my power, I know what I could do.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It's like certain shit is just like I'm automatically like
not a person that like confrontation. I hate confrontation because
I only know how to deal with it one of
two ways. Somebody gotta fight or die or something, you
know what I'm saying, Like, I only know how to
approach it that way. Like I'm not a person that
could have a two hour long conversation about something and
get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That's just not me.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So I avoid it every chance I could get, you
feel I'm saying. So it's like just you gotta know yourself.
You gotta know like you you gotta know when people
say things or try to push your buttons and just.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Let them have it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Like I don't care about nobody saying I'm a pump
or nobody saying I'm a bitch or.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
None of that type of shit.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
And I used to for sure you feel what I'm saying,
But it's like at this point, I just think about
my kids. Like literally, that's the main reason why I
don't do crazy shit because I think about my kids.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It's like, my kids.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Don't understand what I got going on. You know, I'm saying,
my kids don't understand. If I end up in jailing,
I'm be like, what the fuck how my daddy go?
And I know what put me in jail, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I know what got me there,
I know what I did, But a lot of times
people don't explain that to their kids. You feel what
I'm saying, And being a father, like you gotta be
transparent as with your kids, like with like that, Like
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if you make a crazy decision or life changing decision,
you got to explain that to your kids for real,
for real, so they don't make the decision, so they
understand why my dad and not coming home all.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
That type of shit.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
So I just that's the type of confrontation that I
avoid as well. Like I just think about my children,
bro like a lot of shit like when you had kids,
Like it's a lot of shit that you would do
that when you had kids, Like, hell no, I ain't
even think about doing that for sure.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I want to go back to one thing you said
in regard to how you react to death, because you know,
staying busy as a response to trauma, right, and we
saw that in real time, if you don't mind me
bringing up like people don't know today your father passed.
God blessed it. I came here, you was scheduled to
do at this club interview. You came in the studio and.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Still wanted to do it, like bro go home, like what.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Some of it? And I love you forever for that
because I really was here to do this. And it's
like that's the thing, Like I'm so used to deaf
and used to ship. It's like I didn't even process
it for real, like I came here because it's like
I really was in my head trying to forget that
my dad is dead. But I gotta like understand it.
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I gotta know, like, yeah, my pop was just that today.
I need to process that, like and you.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Had just got the news while you was in the.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Car on the way. Yeah, my dad was in the hospital.
I knew he was sick and I found out he died,
and I just came here. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just like I don't even like you know what
what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Like we're not doing Yeah, now you told me, like bro,
just go home, like just leave bro for real.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
For the rest of that day, like what did you do?
Did you reflect on it? Were you afraid to even?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I was afraid.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I was afraid because like when you lose a parent,
that's shit different real real and my dad like I didn't.
I didn't have an absent father, like my father been
living with me my entire life, like my mother and
my dad been together forty years for real, real like,
and I think I was just trying to like not
feel it, like not processing, like you.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I was just like, all right, man, let me just
do it, and like that's the that's the problem, Like
that's the thing. Like you feel like, all right, let
me just do it and push through this and this
is my job, this is my life, Like you got
to put that shit to the side. Sometimes when you're
going through things like that, you feel what I'm saying.
And the rest of that day for me was really
just like I was scared, Like I ain't want to
call my mama, I didn't want to talk to my sister.
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It took me so long and just asked my sister,
are you okay?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
That?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Shit was hard for real, real, like it was super hard. Okay, Yeah,
Like I was scared to like had them conversations with her,
like how you feeling? You know what I'm saying that
even my mom, Like I keep my mom close to me,
and my mom like this you feel me and.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I know it, like I could see it.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I know she was not okay, And I used to
avoid them conversations, you know what I'm saying, Like she
would bring stuff up and like send me pictures and
all that shit. Like it was it was like I
didn't want to look at pictures of my dad for
a long time because it made me cry. Like I
ain't like and I'm not I'm like I didn't been
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in therapy. I'm a person that's not like shy from
my emotions, like I'm intune my emotions all of that.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
But just like it was hard because like.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
For me, just I just thought he had more time,
Like I just wanted him to be here. So I
wasn't trying to like live in reality because I'm still
I was still grieving my little brother. Yeah you feel
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So when that happened.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
It was just like I didn't want to believe that
my dad was dead because I be on the road.
Sometimes I go eight months without seeing my pops. So
it's like you feel me, like eight nine months without
seeing them at all. Sometimes I go months without talking
to him.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I was trying to like.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Tap into that, like you feel me, like, let me
just getting that mentality like he like he here, but
you know what I'm saying, but he my my pops
really like that shit crazy. I think about that shit
every day, like, man, they really died on me, and
it's crazy. Like that's why I like I pray every day,
like I pray so much because my pops.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
My last conversation with him.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
My dad died the day after his birthday, like my
birthday October eighth, my dad birthday October sixteenth. He died
on seventeenth. And my last conversation with him, while I
called him, I said every birthday, I said, man, you're
on your way, boy, you're getting old, Like you're getting old? What?
And he died Like that was the last thing I
said to my pops, like boy, on your way, boy,
you about to be seting me, you know what? I'm saying,
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like you getting old, that nigga, stop getting old a dream.
Speaker 7 (39:50):
Like nigga, you said that I was on my way.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, I hope So I want him to.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Now he haven't chat, I want him to.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I hope he.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I hope he's telling me that the night like that
should have gave me a lot of comfort for real,
for real.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Like is it hard to write about I mean, like
I said, you write about your brother now, yeah, but
think brother would past three years ago?
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Five?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, So is it hard?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
It's hard to put that on paper right now in
a way like only like I'll just like for sure,
like in a way I just rap about like my
pop's passing. I never like I didn't got all the way,
like I didn't made songs like paying homage to my brother,
like give it all that songs about my brother and
made songs just talking about how I felt that day,
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Like I didn't made multiple songs about my brother died,
like I ain't did that for my pop. Shit all
I said on Wax for real is just like my
dad did. Like I never spoke about the emotions how
I felt, none of that. So yeah, it is definitely
tough because I don't know. I feel like mentally or
just where I'm at in life, like I ain't been
able to tap into that pain.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Do you do you make it a conscious effort not
to take it out on your girl?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
And the reason I say that is a lot of
times when we deal with things, the only person we
do really get a chance to talk to it is
your girl. Absolutely, if honest to your wife, do you
make it a contra effort when you talk about the
death your brother, everything that's going on in the streets,
your father?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Do you make it that effort not to do it?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
No?
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Now I talk to her about everything, Like, whatever emotion
I'm feeling, I bring it to her in a way
where I just want her to understand it, Like I
used to bring it to her where she just felt
my pain in a fucked up way because I was
mentally just not there. I'm arguing and like I just
said earlier in the interview, like I'm not confrontational. So
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every day I'm trying to find it in me to
not crash out on somebody. So she might say the
smallest thing and it triggered me and we started arguing
and doing goofy shit like it was silly, like I
really should just tell her, like I should tell her
what I'm feeling and what I'm going through. And I
feel like she gave me grace because when my little
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brother died, she knew that shit tore me apart art,
like she understood it. So it's like she's just like,
just let me get away with murder for real. Like
I used to come home and argue and not come
home sometimes, Like I really used to purposely not come
home because I'm just fucked up in the head, Like
I just slept in my car in the garage, all
type of shit, just because I just didn't want to
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go up there and feel that shit. Because like I said,
when when my brother died, she was pregnant, so she
fully emotionus to me, yea, she got feel like.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
So it's like like like like now I definitely make
it like like a thing, like making my business to
not put that on her and to communicate with her,
like communication is key, and she is a communicator, like
she's gonna say what you feel, she gonna say what
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she feel how she feel, like she not holding nothing back.
And as a man, I ain't never really experienced that
for real, to be honest, like I ain't never had
to really like just sit down and talk. You feel me, Like,
she really make me sit down and talk about this shit.
And I appreciate that though from her and her pops
told me some real shit. I ain't gonna wow dad
like me and her pops like this. And sometimes she
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don't even like it because her dad gonna tell me
shit that's like beneficial to me and might not be
beneficial to her, you know what I'm saying, Like yeah, yeah,
So like he told me some real shit that nigga
told me one day, he said, Bro, whatever the fuck
you got going on, lead that shit at the doormat
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before you walk in the house.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Bro, walk in the house with peace.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Walk in the house like you want to go in
the house and see your girl and talk to your
girl and be with your kids.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
And that shit helped me, I swear to God, like
I literally some days I just go and walk in
the house and I'll look at the doormat like literally,
like boy, going this motherfucker and be happiness right no
matter what's going on, because you gotta be grateful to
make it in the house. That nigga told me that shit.
I swear to God, that changed my whole perspective. Like,
whatever you got going on, however, your day went lead
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that ship at the concrete before you walk in the house,
and that ship helped me.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
I know you was happy when Ari and Tina got cool.
I know because the long back and forth and the
beef and stuff.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
How did that make you feel? To see that?
Speaker 3 (44:16):
It made me feel great, like amazing.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
For really had nothing to do with that, Nah.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Nothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
And the reason why it happened is because you don't like,
you don't really play the middle. You just play right
and wrong. You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't
play the middle. You know what I'm saying like, I'm
not going like shy away from my love for my woman.
I'm not going to shy away from my love for
my son.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Mom. You feel me like.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Just like I just want everybody to be a family.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
And you said, we're not a blended family. With a family,
everybody can call each other.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
And yeah, ive seen people say like, oh I love
a blended family. It's like it's just a family. Like
fuck the blended ship.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Your money bag to this song.
Speaker 7 (45:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah that too. How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
We was like, uh, in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I was in Atlanta for my son game, and I
was talking about my show, like the Swerve and Friendship.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I was talking about it, and I was on the
phone with Bag at the time.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
I'm like, man, let me holler at him mellow like
if I was talking to him like man, I'm trying
to bring you out for this ship, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And he like, all right, bet, we need to do
some shit real quick.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I'm gonna send you something, send it back, gonna drop
this ship before the show. It was like we had
like a two week deadline or some shit like we
did that shit quick. We sent the song no matter
of fact, I don't even think he sent the song,
tripping like we need to do some shit.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
We was in LA I pulled up on him.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
We did a song together, and then he like structured it,
put the song together, then sent it and I finished
the song. He's like, all right, bet we're finna shoot
this ship on I think my show was on the
twenty six or some shit like that. We shot the
video on the twentieth, put that ship right out, and
I brought him out to the song. So it's like, yeah,
he put that play together. That was hard.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
It's about you said, y'all rushed and did it.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Yeah, that ship, we definitely rushed and did it like
all that ship was strategic for sure.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Did y'all have any conversations you know about the relationship.
Y'all never even had to know.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Hell, we don't even got to do that.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Bro like me and him ain't never had no like
differist like it was never no confusion and none of
that type of ship like at all. We ain't got
to talk about that because it's just it just is
what it is.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
I want to ask one more question about just the
grieving process, and I put a button on it. How
have you helped Funny Marco through his grieving process? Because
you killed him on the show. It's still impacted him.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Just here he was just talking about him.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
He was literally just here that when was that last week?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Can you tell me what he said?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
What the fuck did he say?
Speaker 5 (46:51):
He just it hurt him and he's learning from it
and he grew from it and he had to learn
to have you know, thicker skin because of it. Like
you ever think about how you affected one Marco negatively?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Like, yeah, I did.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I'm not gonna lie I did.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
But at the same time I didn't because and I
and marcael my mans like me and him still talk.
I didn't apologize to him about this ship. And it's like,
it's like what I said, what happened in the watch
come out in the rints like Marco's a troll. He
hurt people feelings every single day, and they called me
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there to hurt his feelings. I swear to god, they
literally called me there like me and south Side. We
was drunk and all that shit for sure, like we
I think the way we did it just came off
a little aggressive because how we are as nature like
we street niggas, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
feel like he was a little intimidated when we did,
but we wasn't going to do nothing to We weren't
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trying to scam. They literally called us there and said,
do whatever, troll him, hurt them, disrespect them, talk like
not disrespect them. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna say dispect them,
talk about him, do whatever you Yeah, they told us
to flip the script, but he didn't know that. I
don't think he told us to do that what.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
We did and he needed to be more prepared.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
What did he say, I forgot the other day when
he was here.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Now he said he should have trolled back.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Ye don't know whether he posted to troll back and
just it would have been a totally different experience. They
think we came on there and shipped on him, and
we wasn't doing that. We was really having fun. We
fucked with broke, but he wasn't like ready for a
nigga to come and do that to him, like and
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when we left, his team was like, oh, we love it.
It's gonna be so great. They called and asked me
in Southside, do we want our own show? I swear
to god, Wow, y'all want your own show? Like, man,
he don't know do that we'll give a funk about
having their own show. We just did. Like they literally
called us and asked us, did we want to show
that we want all this ship like you feel me
in Like no, but we really had fun at night.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
I ain't gonna lie right.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
We didn't think that it was going like how that
effect on the world and on him too, So like
shout funny, Margot, man, I fuck with you like and
I told him this though, Like I was like, bro, man, nigga,
you know, we fuck with you for real.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
You know what I'm saying. But like we definitely violated.
I ain't gonna.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
He said he used to just one person.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
He said, it was two of y'all.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
We valolated. Man, I apologize again. Man, you got the
song thank me. How important is to thank yourself?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Man?
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Very very important man.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
And I feel like I ain't really realize that until
I did that record, Like you gotta think yourself and
congratulate yourself. You feel I'm saying because I'm one of
them type of people that I'll really soon as I
drop a project, soon as I do anything, I be
on to the next ship. Like I don't even listen
to like if I used to be that artist, Like
soon as my album drop on Friday Saturday, I'm playing
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unreleased music that I just worked on. And you gotta
live in like you gotta grasp ontil, you gotta live in.
And went legit helped me do that, Like me having
that type of big record and everybody just like congratulating
me and just like telling me this record is this
and you know what I'm saying, this is crazy and
you got this moment and you the hottest right now,
Like you feel what I'm saying. I never in my career,
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nobody never walked up on me, but like you the
hottest out of everybody.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Niggas told me I'm the favorite rapper, Like yeah, you,
but niggas walk up to me now and be like
you the one, You the top dog, And I ain't
never felt that before, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like you gotta like thank yourself and you gotta like.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Like live in in it.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
You feel me like a lot of times, and I said,
is already a lot of rooms. I didn't used to
be in them, bitches. For real, mentally I was really
somewhere else, Like I really forgot a lot of my
life and a lot of my career and a lot
of relationships and a lot of people that I met.
That was important because mentally, I'm just thinking about some
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whole water shit. So it's like you gotta grasp into
it and be great for what you have. So that's
like thank me that record, Like I had to deep,
like dig deep into just like being grateful for what
I got and thinking myself and just that I got
this far, like I was able to change my circumstances,
my family circumstances creative family have kids like and all
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this shit was kind of strategic, like I was. I
was one of the niggas, Like I wasn't having no
children until I got some money and got out the streets.
I just couldn't do it, like for real, for real,
Like I could have probably had ten kids already, you
know what I'm saying. But I was just the type
of nigga that I'm not doing that shit until I'm
able to really like raise my kids and focus on
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my kids or find a woman that I cared about
enough to create a family with them, you know what
I'm saying. And when I think about that type of shit,
just being grateful that I was able to like create
life for real, for real, like you know what I'm saying.
So it's very important to thank yourself. And that's a
real important record for shure.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Are you still struggling with a nightmare because on one
chance you say you're dealing with sleep paralysis, you.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Know you be having nightmaenes? You still that's ship bad, bro?
Ain't we say that's the hag riding you?
Speaker 5 (52:11):
When you have to sleep paralys when you can't your eyes,
your eyes are open, you feel like what you mean,
Like hag is a spiritual creature, maybe evil depending on
who you ask, but it haunts you.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
I definitely, And.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
I'm very spiritual for sure. Like, and I struggle with
sleep a lot, like sleep paradises I have. Sleep paralysis
is a lot, nightmare is a lot. Like sometimes my girl,
just wake me up, and like you feel me, like
I sweat in my sleep, Like I ain't gonna lie.
I still got a lot of healing to do, Like
it's a point where I say this to my girl
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all the time.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
You think I'd be joking, Like, and that's why you
do this ship, Like that's why you.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Get money and you do the shit you're doing so
you could chill, Like I really want to be able
to chill and just sleep and relax and heal and heal,
Like it's a point of my life. I want to
enjoy my life. I ain't like I'm trying to get
enough money to quit for real. Real, Like when artists
were like Nigga be like, oh yeah, you fell off,
They gonna say that shit to death when it comes
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in because I'm stopping this shit.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I'm gonna enjoy my family.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
I'm enjoying my kids because I really can't sleep some
nice like for real. Three four days ago, I woke
up every single hour. I told my girl she was sleep,
she's sleeping like a baby.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I woke up.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Every hour because I heard five six nightmentes. I can't sleep.
This shit is fucked up for me, you feel me?
And I still wake up and do the breakfast club.
I still go do my shows. I still go to
the studio like if what I'm saying, I still try
to show up. So it's gonna be a point of
my life and my career. Well, I'm quitting this shit.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
I need to be able to take care of everybody
and go to sleep, just chill and just go vacation.
Speaker 4 (53:57):
And be with my family. Like I'm g I've only
been to three four countries. I have not seen the world.
I want to see this ship.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
They're gonna start seeing it now because.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
I just want to say.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
The hag feeds off the energy of the sleeping victims,
so it steals their breath and where their skin is
a disguise.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
So but I've seen a lot of death, bro, you know,
I mean dead bodies. I've seen a lot, seeing my
friends die a lot. Everything about getting saved, not really,
to be honest, not really, I haven't.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
I've been thinking about it. I'm not, but I've been
thinking about it for sure, Like why are you looking
at me like.
Speaker 7 (54:36):
That because you've been thinking about getting saved with you not?
Speaker 4 (54:40):
No, I mean I'm not saved, but I know you're
not saying. He doesn't say he's not doing it.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I've been thinking about it. I just wanted to.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
I don't know. I'm just always looking for different ways
to find in peace for sure, definitely I need it
and my like my biggest thing, like what bring me
peace for real is just being around my kids. I
swear to guys when I be home, like my girls
say that, and I like seeing little memes and ship
like when you comfortable and you at comfort, that's when
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you really sleep. I like I just said, I got
sleep proudly don't sleep, but sometimes like I could come home,
like when I'm on the road, it just that one
night of sleep everything for me, like for real, for real,
Like I get home and be with my girl on
the couch and be with my kids and I just
fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Bro, that ship just bring me so much comfort and peace.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
That's your sign.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Be like you always sleeping, all you do is sleep.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I can't you do sleep, But that's the best. That's
the best time you feel comfortable at home. We want
to get into something that what you want to hear
down man.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
Let's play give it out.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
That's one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
And we appreciate you for joining us. Brother.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
I do have one last question before you.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Do that chat. Yeah, we all lives. If you've got questions,
you heard, but let us know now because let's get
a chat.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
But I wanted to ask you about Chicago, right.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
It built you, but it also caused you so much pain.
What's your relationship with the city now? It's like it's crazy.
I love Chicago so much and I just had this
conversation with me yesterday. He like, Bro, we about to
neglect that bitch, like we not even going there on
tour or nothing, like they gotta really miss you for
real real because I go there so much and and
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I be feeling comfortable because it just it's home for me,
you know what I'm saying. And I still, of course,
like I already you know I'm gonna be on my
on my head on swivel, regardless, you know what I'm saying,
I always take precaution and do all of that.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
My relationship with Chicago is.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
My mother won't leave, you know what I'm saying, Like
she won't leave, so it's like my heart is still
there something like not even some days a lot of that.
I go to Chicago and I don't see my mom
because she hang with me in LA like she'd be
with me out of that. But my heart is still
in Chicago. My mom, now, my auntie's there, my grandmother there,
like my friends there. So I go there and I
enjoy myself. If I go to restaurants, I do this
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and like I really moved in Chicago, like probably nobody
else for real, for real, it's not many artists in Chicago,
especially as big as I am at my level, that
go outside and do the ship that I do in Chicago.
I go to clubs every time I'm there. I go
to restaurants, like I don't sit in my hotel. I
go outside in Chicago. And I just did that big
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ass concert and hit all them artists there, and I
went to three spots after that, like they.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Didn't like my team didn't want me to go outside.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
Saying this in the check Now you'd be everywhere you
there love top five Chicago in Chicago, love her whole
like we.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
Went to we did the show, and I went to
three places. I went to a bowling alley, a club,
and another club. And it was peaceful, like it was
no nothing like I hear everybody. I had Polo there,
Bag came outside. I already came outside, Doug came outside,
twenty one came outside. Every everybody came outside. And it's
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like that ship really like it's smooth. It's dangerous, but
Chicago is a great place for sure.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Chad, say that Chicago love you like they love d rolls.
Speaker 5 (58:11):
When they getting when you get when you get another
when we're doing another four minutes, the hell when they
getting anotherour.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
I'm gonna definitely do it. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I be saying I'm done, but I definitely like that's
that's something that I just gotta do, like you know
how like like like like t Grizzly do the robberies,
I gotta keep doing four minutes A hell's for sure.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
All right, Well, we appreciate you for joining.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Man, make sure you pick up her abo album this
week Her and It's the Breakfast Club, Good Morning, every
day a week.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Click up The Breakfast Club you don't finish for y'all done,
Every day clicks up the Breakfast Club, finish for y'all
done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is Steve j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. Yes, sir at Gerbo, Welcome and congratulations.
Man the number one record a couple of weeks ago, grass.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Man, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I's a field number one record.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I feel good. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I feel great.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It feel great. I'll just be trying to like stay
in the moment real just just keep it like up,
you know, like when you where you got those type
of moments you just trying to figure out like all right,
well I me personally, like I gotta figure out what's
the next best thing, Like what do I do next?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
From that? Like I try to live in a moment
and grasp up that energy. But just keep it going.
You're not trying to catch another number one.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I'm just trying to keep it going.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Did you expect that to be the record because it's
not your typical of course, Well, it was just you
just spitting.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Nah, Hell Noah, for sure. I was just literally, I
can't say it enough. It was just me just having
fun in the studio. I was in New York and
was in the studio me south Side Smack and you
know south Side Like I really, I'd be having to
give a lot of credit to Big Bro because he
want the only people that could tell me, like, rap
on this, just rap on this and figure it out
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like just rap And that's what I did and that
that should changed my life?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Who picked it as a single? Like was it just
I'm just gonna release and see what happened?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And it just took over.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
That's why I like, as artists, you gotta like really
just bet on yourself for real, for real. Because I
was in the in a mold of just trying to
do music and see what the streets connected to.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I didn't even like that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Song came out and December on my app. I got
an app on my own app, like where I just
put out music material content. All this is just for
the people who really support me. Like you know what
I'm saying, My fans, they know about the g app.
I put it out on my app on a project
that I was just recording all samples too, Like I
did a project with all samples and it couldn't even
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go on Apple Music.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It couldn't go on DSPs.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You know what I'm saying. Like I put it out
on the APP in December, and the label put it
out on DSPs in like March April. So it's like
you gotta just trash it and just see what the
streets fuck with you? App I appreciate it. Has it
changed the bag? Has that single changed your bag?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Because see I'll be thinking that.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
You know a lot of people be fronting on like
the power of radio and having a big radio record.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Speak to that.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Man for sure, And you gotta put money in radio though,
like you gotta, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What you put in it, come out. We'll go out
on the wash, come out on the wrist.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Whatever they're saying is you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So like.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've always been like I knew because I've been independent
this whole time. So I know about like analytics, I
know about like residuals, I know what, Like one record
can really change your life, you know what I'm saying, Like,
and I finally caught that record that like that life
changing records.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So yeah, the bag been.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Crazy and the royalties from radio are better than the streaming.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, absolutely for sure. And it's like once you once
you get a song that really go radio, it's like
it's just like it just changed everything for real.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Change the places you actually perform at for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Exactly like you could put you could put you put
money in radio for sure for what to do what
it's supposed to do. But just like even like it's
a difference between like putting something in radio for just
get on the radio for shit to get like rhythmic
play playlists, you know what I'm saying, Like all of that.
It's just a big super difference. Like I'll be talking
to like Make all the time. It's just like once
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you get a record, Like I'm not even talking about
what legit Like there's certain records that like the format
where you know it could go radio, you know what
I'm saying, Like I feel like every artist, all you
need is like one radio record a year, just one, like.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You feel I'm saying, it ain't that easy to get one.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
It's not easy at all. But like you know, hit Maker,
that's my big brother, Like he the god of this
ship like you fee what I'm saying, Like he know
the whole formula he do it like and that's why
he's so rich, like that Nigga richest shit because he
on radio every year at least.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Point it out right for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Wallow Herb, Willow Herb. I was just trying to like
tap into like that old hunger, like my old self.
And when I be rapping good and shit, like I
be reading comments and shit, sometimes my fans be like,
oh that ain't they Ain't.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You heard what?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That's little herd, you know what I'm saying. Like I
feel like that was like one of my best errors
of rap. Like I always been able to rap. I'm
an EMC, so it's like I don't care if I'm
not even all the way tapped into like my confidence
and all of that shit. I'm always gonna be able
to rap good. You feel me, But like once you
really focus on straight rap, it's different.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's what I was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So that's why I went and like name my album
of Herb like I was going up like listening to
old interviews, listen to old music videos. I mean, watch
old music videos, listen to old songs and shit like that,
and like I was just trying to find like a
higher level of rap for myself, you know what I'm saying.
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And I say this all the time, like you could
really get caught up in what's in front of you,
Like always been the type of person like I say
this a lot a lot of rooms that I was in,
I wasn't really in the rooms, you know what I'm saying,
because I'm thinking about like my past. I'm thinking about
what I gotta do when I get out the room.
Like I'm just saying what's up, Like there's certain conversations
(05:45):
that I really couldn't have because my mind is all
over the place. You feel me, Like so like in
this like era where I am mentally, I was just
trying to.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like find that old hunger that made me enjoy what.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I have now, you know what I'm saying, Like like
that's that's why I really named my project Little Herb,
because like you were, like on the day to day,
I'm thirty years old. I've been rapping since I was
like sixteen for real, for real, like you feel me,
And I was trying to figure out like damn, like
it's like all the steps to that it took me
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to get here. You feel what I'm saying, Like I
forgot a lot. I'm not gonna lie. It's a lot
of shit that I did that I forgot.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So it's like I.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Wanted to make myself remember, so I had to like
go back in and like tap in with my old
self for real.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I heard you say, Little Herb is a full circle
moment and it's a return to the fundamentals. But you
closing the chapter on the little Herb area, what what
is closing that chapter actually look like?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Closing that chapter is like for real, just letting go,
Like it's a lot of shit that I held on
to that I just don't need no more.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Like for real, for real, like the.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Street therapy talk right there.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Just letting go for real real and it is. It
is definitely therapy that helped me. It's like a lot
of that you hold on to you just like just
let it go, Just let it go and just let
it find you. You know what I'm saying, Like, no,
for real, Like I was one of the people that
just like my heart is so big, and I feel
like people knew that, Like people knew that, Like they
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grab me and I'm grabbing them back. You fee what
I'm saying, Like I'm holding on to that type of shit.
It's like that's just letting that chapter go like.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I should.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Like and people been saying this to me for years
and I've been knowing it, but I never really acted
on it. Like I shouldn't focus on nothing but music
and my family and like God, like that's the only
thing that I should wake up and care about. I
shouldn't really give a fuck about how somebody else eat
or how somebody else get the work or get the
sleep or any of that shit, and not worried about
that for years. Like let's be closing that chapter, Like
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I'm gonna tap into this, tell my story and just
let go for let go and let God for real
for and that go for everything and everybody. And it's
a whole other chapter opening for me because everything that
got me here, I don't I don't even really have.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It no more, for real real, like all my friends dead.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'm finna be a real, one hundred percent independent artist,
Like I don't got no label, no production company. I'm
one hundred percent a real new person and a new artist.
So it's like I just want to just tap into
this shit, do what I need to do, and I'm
already doing it for real. But just like letting go
for real, like I don't. I don't want to have
no attachments other than family, No bullshit.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
How did you balance revisiting like those old traumas with
the grown man you are now like you're thirty, so
you your a whole new level of life. You don't
shift to the face shot that kid, nineteen year old kid?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
No more? Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
My homie, my one of my best friends.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He used to say this shit like he only probably
like eight months older than me. He like, bro, once
you touched thirty, you just gonna start, I think, he said.
He used to tell me, I can't wait you turn
thirty like he turned thirty. He like, I can't wait
till you turn thirty because it's just like it's like
a light switch.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Like shit, just you know what I'm saying, just tap in.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
For you and it's for me for real, Like I promise, I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I don't be wanting to sound like cliche or corny
and none of this type of shit. But like my
girl is like my toughest critic, Like she's one of
the people who really just like stay on me, like
she tell me a lot of shit that I know
and I don't act on you know what I'm saying,
which is coming to like my business, niggas around me.
(09:33):
You feel what I'm saying, like all of that you
feel me like and like to kind of like tap
into the what you were saying. The question is like
you just gotta you just gotta really like just go
with your gut, your intuition. You fee what I'm saying.
Like a lot of times niggas question theyself and feel
like all right, but you know you might know the answer,
you might know right from wrong and not do it
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because you question it has going to like affect other people.
You feel what I'm saying, And I'm one of them
type of people, but like I'm one of them type
of people that think about how it's going to affect
other people. And like I was saying that, like because
my girl she like she don't give a fuck, like
she don't care, and you need that, like you need
it because like I really got to stop caring for real,
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for real, Like I feel like I care too much
and I like done certain shit or not done certain
things because I'm figuring. I'm feeling like it's going to
affect people in a negative way or whatever way it is.
You know what I'm saying. It's like if you got
a good heart, if you just lead with what is
right for you, like it'll it'll work out for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Now you talk about Meek Mill changing your life, right, Yeah,
he was your inspiration. Yeah, break that down to what
you've seen in milk, that meat that made you think
that you can do it.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Bro. Literally, I've just got done listening to We're Gonna
get this money right now on my way here.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like, Meek is my.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Favorite rapper for real, Bro, it's my big better And
I was just with Meek last night. We just did
a song last night. We was in the.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Studio last night, I believe, yeah, two nights ago.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Who's list in the studio the other day. But Meek
is just like like he's like I used to listen
to me and watch me when he was a battle rapper.
But when he really got rich and made this shit happen,
It's like all right, But that like it's different from
me watching like Wayne and hole Man. You know what
(11:23):
I'm saying, Like I couldn't like I could relate to it.
But it's like when I grew up and me, I've
seen them niggas rich already, Like I seen Meek turn
rich coming from the streets and going through all the
shit that he went through and really like talking about
it and preaching like positivity and motivation. That shit made
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me feel like I just want to be like that
for real, real, Like that nigga really like helped me
grow into the artist that I am today, for real
real because like damn, like this nigga, Meek, like it's
not like he was an artist and he was like
far away, you knowe what I'm saying, Like I felt
like I.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Could grasp on to that shit and become that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Like this nigga is a real street nigga that became
the biggest in the world. Like he became the biggest
best rat and he's a rap guy. Like I love rapping.
I'm an mc so I studied that first and foremost.
But just a blueprinter like that nigga, Like he like
he gave you the real blueprint. Like you get on,
you take care of niggas, you do what you supposed
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to do. You take care of your family, your mother,
like that nigg used to make me like I just
used to have to just get money to my mama.
Just like thinking about that type of shit. You fee
what I'm saying. Like I retire my mom when I
was sixteen years old, bro literally and they put a
lot of pressure on me. I told my mama stopped
working when I was sixteen.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
She never worked.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Since I'm taking care of her, my aunties, my whole
family since I was sixteen. That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I hell, love of pressure, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But how do you I was one question I was
gonna say, So, now you're the meat meal for a
lot of these younger artists, So what do you show
them to show them that they can do it? What
do you do different? So because you know you got
a lot of kids watching and they want to be.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Increble for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like for me, it's I just try to like what's
the word, Like you gotta like show them's like like
what Mek did for real, like being.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Show fel tangible.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You just gotta showing Like Like the thing with me
that I feel like make a difference a lot is
I let people see me in a physical like you
gotta see it like have conversations like seeing is believing.
You feel what I'm saying, Like, you know you could do
this when you could actually get in front of somebody
like me. Growing up, I never seen nobody that I
looked up to, and I wanted to be like in
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front of me talking to me. You know what I'm saying,
Like I just had to have a manpower, like I
could do it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I'm gonna do it. You fel what I'm saying. And
it happened for me.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And when I got a certain age like nineteen twenty eight,
like those ages when I started traveling and having conversations
with people that I looked up to, But like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
them years really matter whereas like you know what I'm saying,
and I try to be the person where I just
go back and do certain things and go touch the community,
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and you know what I'm saying, tell them that they
could really make it, like this shit is nothing for real,
like but like and I ain't gonna say it's nothing
like it's it's a task.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
For sure, it's hard, but it's easy at the same time.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
All you gotta do is wake up and strive to
go get it and want to do it and believe
that you could do it. You just gotta have a vision.
You fee what I'm saying. And when I go look
at like these kids and be going to talk and
have conversations, like they got the same power that I got,
Like they really got something in them. They just don't
think it's possible. This shit is really possible, like they
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when you wake up and all you got is this
four block radius and your hood and the shit that
you're dealing with every day, you think that's your life,
but it's like it's so much outside of that. All
you gotta know is how to break that cycle. And
you feel what I'm saying, like, that's that's the thing
with me, Like I feel like that's what make a
difference in why people like believe in me because I try.
(15:05):
I let him touch me. I let him, you know.
Paul's like, you know what I'm saying. I go see
the people.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I'm thinking about something now, and you made me think
about it when you said you've been rapping since she
was nineteen, because I can remember like your first friend,
I can remember your first early breakfast club interviews.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
But then it started getting me thinking about all of
these artists we've seen from Chicago that have come through
come through here the past fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You talk about what's possible.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Man, you are proof that's surviving as possible, and Chief
Keiths proof that's surviving.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Is sure, so so definitely know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
People like Dirk that's locked up, people like Bond that's
no longer here, plenty of other artists you probably interview
from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
How does that feel? It feel great?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Man?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
You know, And I'm gonna say this again. I'm gonna
shout make out real quick because he just told me
the other day and it's like he told me this before,
but him telling me the other.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Day is just like.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
If a difference, a different feeling to him saying. It's
like he's like, man, want you to chosen one. It's
certain things that just affect you differently, you know what
I'm saying. And I learned that from the streets, Like
I didn't bump my head so many times and did
so much and been arrested in and fell off and
came back or whatever the case may be. You know
what I'm saying. It's like when you do certain things,
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God just punish you differently because you can't get away
with that, you feel I'm saying, like you would think
you would see somebody else doing it, like, oh he
did it, and you can't do that because God got
a different path for you. And like surviving in Chicago,
just making it out of the streets alone is a blessing.
(16:42):
Like it's literally like I'd be seeing some of my
homies and certain people that just like but and I
understand it. Other people don't get it. Like it's certain
people where you just like you just like wash your
hands with everything. I know, certain niggas that was real
menaces in the streets that don't do nothing but just
be at home with their girl and their kids now
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because they just want peace. Like damn, I made it
out this shit. I can't believe I'm still alive. Like
a lot of people never experience life to that capacity
where they're just grateful that they're alive, that they still here,
you knowe what I'm saying. And it's a lot of
people when it comes surviving, you gotta you gotta make decisions,
and it gotta be calculated, and it's a lot of
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people that's just raised off survival or you will do anything.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's a difference, like when you survive and you just
raised off survival.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Like I'm trying to explain that with Like, it's certain
people where if you just like survival is your first.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Instinct, you will do anything. You will kill your closest friend,
you a snitch, rob steal from your mama.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Your grandma, and and you gotta understand this, like it's
just life. It's certain people who don't know nothing else.
They was raised off of survival. They mother and father
raised them off of survivals. So it's like a lot
of people don't understand that, you know what I'm saying,
It's just me being here today. I try to, Like
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I think that's one of the reasons why, Like I
probably got took advantage of so much because I understand
both sides of the fence, and I try to get
everybody the benefit of the doubt, you know what I'm saying,
Like I try to, like I try to think about
putting myself in other people's shoes before I make a decision,
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you know what I'm saying. Like I always before I
do anything, I always think about the consequences, repercussions, everything.
So if I do something to anybody or do anything
I thought about it so many times. I'm comfortable with
how it play out, you know what I'm saying, and
like you like, it's only certain people that think like that,
especially in life and coming from Chicago, you gotta think
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about both sides of the fence. It's certain people that
think a lot, and it's certain people that don't think
at all. You feel me and this shit like, it's
a blessing to be for sure, for sure because I've
seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I experienced a lot. I've seen a lot of death, and.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I just come from one of the toughest neighborhoods in Chicago,
like one of the most poverty struck in neighborhoods where
it's like I was a kid and people used to
like a lady walked out. I think I said this
before on a breakfast club interview when I was when
I was in Shorty, Like a lady walked up on me.
I'm waiting on my mom. She coming from the laundry man.
Lady walked up on me, like you got some c
I'm like, m hmm, like what.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I'm like what. She's like, you got some c?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
She asks for crack. I'm like nine years old. I'm
like nineteen, wait on my mama to come in the house,
like you got some sea. I'm like what, Yeah, she
asked me if I had cracked, literally a kid three
in the morning, I'm outside because that's now you're selling.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Crack for real, for real, So when did you get some?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
That's the statute of limitations with this ship for real
crack a statute of limitations for sure. But I always
been one of them kids. It's like I just wanted
to get money. I knew how to get money early on,
you know what I'm saying. And I used to do
shit to just get fly, like get fresh and shit.
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You know what I'm saying. And I'm blessed that I
didn't have to do it for long. You feel me
like I ain't got like I started really making money
off music at sixteen years old, but I was outside
two for sure.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
What the first record you made money off?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
What did the Nicky record?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
What?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Chicago? Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The first record?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I actually like when we started making money, like after
Kills Shit came out? Yeah, killed Shit.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I was gonna ask what you know? He mentioned Sosa,
He mentioned Vaughan, mentioned Dirt.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Have you spoke to dirt.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, I supposed to. I supposed to Smirk saw
the dirt probably like a month, month or two ago.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
How is he doing?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, he doing good for sure, like mentally, And that's
the thing about Smirk. If you know him, you know
he good like that. Nigga's really a real discipline mentally
strong nigga for real, for real, like this shit just
like he just like this is just a part of
his journey. Like he know he coming from under this shit.
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We all know he coming from under this the shit,
you know what I'm saying. But like he's he he
won them type of niggas, like he never gonna lose hisself.
All he doing is praying, talking to his family, like
connecting with God. You know what I'm saying, Like shit
like that, And yeah, Smirk definitely good. I spoke to him.
I sent them like a little snippet of music that
I'm putting out and the music that I like was
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saying his name and shit like that. You feel what
I'm saying, Like smart brother, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We smirked.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
So for little Herd. Right, do you are you getting personal?
Like are we hearing the pain? Because you have been
through a lot since you lost your friends and then
go the rest of your dad. So you know what
I'm saying, You've been through a lot of shit. Yeah,
So are we getting the personal getting the pain?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Definitely? I'm speaking about like everything.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I feel like I've I covered a lot in this album.
I'm really talking about a lot, a lot, A lot,
a lot, and it makes me feel good though, you
know what I'm saying. Like it's like rap always been
a form of like therapy for me, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So it's like.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Certain I don't really like when I'm in the studio,
I just rap, and just like I got to a
point in my life in my career where I don't
think about like how people gonn receive it, like how
the world gonna receive it, have my family gonna receive
it or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I just speak about whatever is on my mind and
go from there.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You knowee what I'm saying. And that's how I picked
the records. You feel what I'm saying and I don't.
I'm saying that to say like I don't really realize
all the shit I'm talking about and what I cover
until I'm hearing it. Like I'm a speaker, you know,
what I'm saying. I just go in the studio and
rap and like here a week later, two weeks later,
like damn, I just said some shit like like yeah,
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now for sure that this album is And you know
I altaists say this all the time. I feel like
I always feel like this, but like you would say, like, oh,
you're this is one of my best projects, Like I don't.
I'm not even gonna say this is my best project
or my best body of work. I really don't feel
like it's my best body of work, but I just
feel like it's my best era of rap. I feel
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like I'm rapping better than I ever rapped before. Like
however they receive it or whoever feel like this project
better than this one or not, Like I just know
for a fact I'm rapping so good and I gave
it my all for sure.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
That Therapeutic was this album. Though, in regard to your
grieving process, because I hear you mention your brother a lot,
especially on Give It All, How did that help?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I ain't gonna lie that I've been dealing with del
since I was a kid. Bro Like I lost I
started losing friends when I was like fourteen years old.
You know, like, and I'm talking about that, I'm touching
on that my and my album, my project. But you
gotta really like realize I'm thirty years old. I've been
losing people I love for fifteen years and still managing
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to wake up and make it happen and beg herbo
and take pictures and smile for the fans, Like I
really didn't lost some of my best friends and had
to go do a show that same day, you know
what I'm saying, Like my homie Cap died twenty fifteen,
I had to perform in front of ten thousand people.
I just had to find an emmy. A lot of
people can't do that. A lot of people like non,
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I just lost my homie. Fuck this shit, I'm gonna
go spind like.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I want to go do the show.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Like so it's like, I feel like I'm really destined
for this shit. I chose my own destiny, I chose
my own path. And I'm saying that, like for me,
they experience all of that death and feel like I
was numb to it. When my little brother died, it
changed my life. That was some of the worst pain
that I ever felt in my life. Ever, I could
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never I never could fathom, like, and I'm a street nigga,
Like when I wake up, when I walk out the house,
I feel like I'm gonna die, like you know, like
I really feel like that, and that's what get me home.
You feel what I'm saying, Like every step, every move
that I take is calculated. And I never felt like
he was gonna die, you know what I'm saying, Like,
no bullshit, I never ever think like him. Hell no,
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I just I never thought he was going to die.
Every day I wake up, wake up, I really feel
like I'm gonna die. I feel like somebody would do
something to me. And that's just the life I live.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And that's just you still feel like that because I
remember the last day you said you feel like that.
You said you were going to therapy to help you, and.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It helped me with it helped me with it.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
But like, nah, hell no, And I'm glad that even
going through therapy and and like growing and healing the
way that I've healed in my life, I'm kind of
glad that I never lost that edge for real, because
that's how I protect myself, That's how I protect my children,
that's how I make sure I get back home, you
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feel I'm saying, like, and I'm not out here thuging.
I ain't wild and I ain't doing no crazy shit.
Some days I leave the house and it just be
just me by myself, no security, nothing.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
But I'm still on point.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I'm still watching my back, I'm still aware of my surroundings,
you feel I'm saying. So it's like I'm glad that
I never lost that edge real real and when like
going back to what you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
What you said, Charla.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Magne, Like when I when my little brother died, I
lost myself, Like I became an alcoholic, like a badass alcoholic.
I never used to drink bro I used to drink
a fifth of liquor every single day, like every day
by myself.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
My girl was pregnant when he died. You feel me, Like,
and I was like I was trying to like.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Not be that weak around her.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You feel me because she she know I didn't been
through shit, like she didn't been around me, and I
didn't lost homies.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
She used to like say shit like snap out of it,
like you feel me like she used to like say it,
but it's like I can't.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It was just so hard for me.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I really couldn't for real, Like I used to have
to leave the house just to go cry, like swear
to God, like just go get in the con just
cry for hour straight because I ain't want to do
that in front of her.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
And I felt like I should have. I should have,
I should have, but I was like I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I just And when she said snap out of it,
what does she mean, like.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Not snap out of the grief, snap out of the healing,
snap out of the crashing out like drinking and drinking
every day and wanting to go to the club and
just feel something because I really can't feel nothing, you
know what I'm saying. Like that was like that's what
she used to tell me to snap out of and
it was like it was hard, man, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Did people in your family try to like blame you
because you know, for whatever reason, when you the person
that made it when something bad go happen, they feel
like your success and your money could have kept that
person from being in that situation.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Nah, not really for real, for real, Like honestly they didn't.
And that was like the the biggest blessing. Nobody ever
blamed me for real, real like. And I had a
conversation with my grandma and I said this when I
did the This Ship with Shannon Sharp, I just did
an interview with him. And I had a conversation with
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my grandma and she made me like she It was
one of the conversations that made me snap out of
drinking and crashing out because she like, man, I already
lost him. I'm not finna lose you to this shit.
You feel what I'm saying. And she didn't blame me,
but like it was like my little brother was real,
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like good nigga, a solid nigga. And I know for
a fact he got killed because somebody wanted to hurt me.
For sure, it wasn't my fault. But she like, you
gotta do it the right way, like if you finish,
like no, everybody we grieve and we all going through
the same shit, but you can't grieve like that, like
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you gotta go make it like you gotta make this
shit happen for him, because it's like he not finna
die vain. You feel me like that was the conversation
that she held me, and that shit just turned me up.
And one of the last conversations I sort of got
my brother died at eleven am or some shit. We
was texting at four or five in the morning. My
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last conversation with him was just like, Bro, I don't
want to do nothing to see you win, like I
ain't never ask you for nothing, like he never really
asked me for no money. Everything I ever gave him,
everything we ever did was just like a bonus like that.
Nigga never asked me for no money ever. He never
asked me like give me this, buy me this, put
me on, do this, do that, And he been with
me every step of the way. You feel me, he
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just enjoyed the fruit of my label. That Nigga literally
never asked me for no money ever in life. And
our last conversation was, Bro, I just want to see
you win, like I just want you to do this shit.
And we was talking back and forth, and I saw
to God the next morning that Nigga died.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
So so were you blaming yourself That's why you was
trying to escape?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure, I was definitely blaming myself because I
just felt like and I used to have these conversations
with him, like I used to really tell him. And
that's the reason why I had to go back and
think and reflect because I used to tell that nigga, like, bro,
move to LA, like he got kids, just like I
got kids. I used to really tell that nigga, like, man,
go back and take care of them every now and then,
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or do whatever you need to do. Send that shit,
like Bro, just come with me, please, Like I used
to have that conversation with him, like Bro, just come
to La, move to La, like please just come out here.
You feel what I'm saying because I know what that
shit like, Bro, Like you feel what I'm saying Like
I used to. I used to talk to that nigga
and be like, Bro, just stop going back for real,
for real, because I'm thinking about that shit like he
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he my brother was in the streets, but I feel
like he was just naive to the fact, like he
really like like I said, like I used to leave
out the house and feel like I'm gonna die every day.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
He didn't have that man set. He didn't think like that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
If you feel me, and I used to think like that,
and it's scammy, Like I hate to see somebody I
love walking like man, this nigga could die.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Like you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
And I was blaming myself in a way because I
just felt like I should have, well I could have.
I ain't gonna say I should have, Like I felt
like I could have just like changed everybody in life
by force. And you can't do that. You can't feel
like you could save everybody, you know what I'm saying.
And I stopped blaming myself when I just realized that,
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like I realized, like you, like it was nothing I
could do for real, like I used to really I
used to think like that's why I was so fucked
up because I felt like even me being g Herbo,
being an artist, being a star, I wish I was
really with him when that shit happened, because it wouldn't
have happened like that, Like I would have put my
life on the line. I would have put everything on
the line one thousand percent, like the scenario on how
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he died. I feel like if I was you can't
feel like that, like cause you know you're thinking about
every scenario like I'm thinking, like if it was me
in there, like it probably wouldn't have happened like that.
I would have did this this way, but you don't know,
like you know what I'm saying God is that like
he's he is the person who control your destiny and say,
how like shit happened? But I'm thinking about that, and
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it's like I really used to like really wish I
was with him, Like I just really felt like I
wish like still to this day, I really wish I
just would have been there, like because I feel like
it wouldn't have happened that way.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But how do you stop yourself haashing out right? Like
we've seen it with Gilly and the bad One of
the worst things about the Internet is the internet to
make you you you lose yourself, right, They'll trick you
into taking you off the street. How did you say,
you know what, I'm just gonna stay focused and gave
my brother, but still focus on my family.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, because a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Of times people are like, now, I gotta get my
I gotta get my get back, I gotta do this,
I gotta do that, And it put you in so.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You're talking about like what I what I said on
the interview I just did with Gilly. It's like naturally,
it's like every action deserves a reaction, and I come
from a place where it's like you gotta react like
certain shit you do, like even if you like.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Some shit might happen to you today and you make
it home.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
When you get in the house, you're thinking about what
the people gonna say, Like what the.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Hood gonna say when I come back, I gotta do something.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You feel what I'm saying, and I want them niggas
like me personally, if I go to sleep, like with
it on my mind, like if I'm thinking about it
all day, I'm gonna have to do something like for real,
for real, Like if that shits stay on my brain
and I think about it three times, full times, five times.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That's what I feel like.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
It is eligible for me to not crash out but
react because I'm never gonna crash out because if I was,
I feel like the definition of when people say like
crash out is when you react right then off emotion.
That's a crash out. You feel what I'm saying, Like,
whatever I do to you, If I didn't thought about
this shit and calculating my steps and whatever consequences happened
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behind that, that's not a crash out Because.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm a choice. I'm okay with what happens.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You fee what I'm saying, like and for me, like
how I stop myself from doing that? Is like certain
shit is not worth it, Like I know for I
know my power, I know what I could do.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It's like certain shit is just like I'm automatically like
not a person that like confrontation. I hate confrontation because
I only know how to deal with it one of
two ways. Somebody gotta fight or die or something, you
know what I'm saying, Like, I only know how to
approach it that way. Like I'm not a person that
could have a two hour long conversation about something and
get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That's just not me.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So I avoid it every chance I could get, you
feel I'm saying. So it's like just you gotta know yourself.
You gotta know like you you gotta know when people
say things or try to push your buttons and just.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Let them have it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Like I don't care about nobody saying I'm a pump
or nobody saying I'm a bitch or.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
None of that type of shit.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
And I used to for sure you feel what I'm saying,
But it's like at this point, I just think about
my kids. Like literally, that's the main reason why I
don't do crazy shit because I think about my kids.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It's like, my kids.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Don't understand what I got going on. You know, I'm saying,
my kids don't understand. If I end up in jailing,
I'm be like, what the fuck how my daddy go?
And I know what put me in jail, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I know what got me there,
I know what I did, But a lot of times
people don't explain that to their kids. You feel what
I'm saying, And being a father, like you gotta be
transparent as with your kids, like with like that, Like
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if you make a crazy decision or life changing decision,
you got to explain that to your kids for real,
for real, so they don't make the decision, so they
understand why my dad and not coming home all.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
That type of shit.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
So I just that's the type of confrontation that I
avoid as well. Like I just think about my children,
bro like a lot of shit like when you had kids,
Like it's a lot of shit that you would do
that when you had kids, Like, hell no, I ain't
even think about doing that for sure.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I want to go back to one thing you said
in regard to how you react to death, because you know,
staying busy as a response to trauma, right, and we
saw that in real time, if you don't mind me
bringing up like people don't know today your father passed.
God blessed it. I came here, you was scheduled to
do at this club interview. You came in the studio and.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Still wanted to do it, like bro go home, like what.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Some of it? And I love you forever for that
because I really was here to do this. And it's
like that's the thing, Like I'm so used to deaf
and used to ship. It's like I didn't even process
it for real, like I came here because it's like
I really was in my head trying to forget that
my dad is dead. But I gotta like understand it.
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I gotta know, like, yeah, my pop was just that today.
I need to process that, like and you.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Had just got the news while you was in the.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Car on the way. Yeah, my dad was in the hospital.
I knew he was sick and I found out he died,
and I just came here. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just like I don't even like you know what
what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Like we're not doing Yeah, now you told me, like bro,
just go home, like just leave bro for real.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
For the rest of that day, like what did you do?
Did you reflect on it? Were you afraid to even?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I was afraid.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I was afraid because like when you lose a parent,
that's shit different real real and my dad like I didn't.
I didn't have an absent father, like my father been
living with me my entire life, like my mother and
my dad been together forty years for real, real like,
and I think I was just trying to like not
feel it, like not processing, like you.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I was just like, all right, man, let me just
do it, and like that's the that's the problem, Like
that's the thing. Like you feel like, all right, let
me just do it and push through this and this
is my job, this is my life, Like you got
to put that shit to the side. Sometimes when you're
going through things like that, you feel what I'm saying.
And the rest of that day for me was really
just like I was scared, Like I ain't want to
call my mama, I didn't want to talk to my sister.
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It took me so long and just asked my sister,
are you okay?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
That?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Shit was hard for real, real, like it was super hard. Okay, Yeah,
Like I was scared to like had them conversations with her,
like how you feeling? You know what I'm saying that
even my mom, Like I keep my mom close to me,
and my mom like this you feel me and.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I know it, like I could see it.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I know she was not okay, And I used to
avoid them conversations, you know what I'm saying, Like she
would bring stuff up and like send me pictures and
all that shit. Like it was it was like I
didn't want to look at pictures of my dad for
a long time because it made me cry. Like I
ain't like and I'm not I'm like I didn't been
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in therapy. I'm a person that's not like shy from
my emotions, like I'm intune my emotions all of that.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
But just like it was hard because like.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
For me, just I just thought he had more time,
Like I just wanted him to be here. So I
wasn't trying to like live in reality because I'm still
I was still grieving my little brother. Yeah you feel
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So when that happened.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
It was just like I didn't want to believe that
my dad was dead because I be on the road.
Sometimes I go eight months without seeing my pops. So
it's like you feel me, like eight nine months without
seeing them at all. Sometimes I go months without talking
to him.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I was trying to like.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Tap into that, like you feel me, like, let me
just getting that mentality like he like he here, but
you know what I'm saying, but he my my pops
really like that shit crazy. I think about that shit
every day, like, man, they really died on me, and
it's crazy. Like that's why I like I pray every day,
like I pray so much because my pops.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
My last conversation with him.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
My dad died the day after his birthday, like my
birthday October eighth, my dad birthday October sixteenth. He died
on seventeenth. And my last conversation with him, while I
called him, I said every birthday, I said, man, you're
on your way, boy, you're getting old, Like you're getting old? What?
And he died Like that was the last thing I
said to my pops, like boy, on your way, boy,
you about to be seting me, you know what? I'm saying,
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like you getting old, that nigga, stop getting old a dream.
Speaker 7 (39:50):
Like nigga, you said that I was on my way.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, I hope So I want him to.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Now he haven't chat, I want him to.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I hope he.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I hope he's telling me that the night like that
should have gave me a lot of comfort for real,
for real.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Like is it hard to write about I mean, like
I said, you write about your brother now, yeah, but
think brother would past three years ago?
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Five?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay, So is it hard?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
It's hard to put that on paper right now in
a way like only like I'll just like for sure,
like in a way I just rap about like my
pop's passing. I never like I didn't got all the way,
like I didn't made songs like paying homage to my brother,
like give it all that songs about my brother and
made songs just talking about how I felt that day,
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Like I didn't made multiple songs about my brother died,
like I ain't did that for my pop. Shit all
I said on Wax for real is just like my
dad did. Like I never spoke about the emotions how
I felt, none of that. So yeah, it is definitely
tough because I don't know. I feel like mentally or
just where I'm at in life, like I ain't been
able to tap into that pain.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Do you do you make it a conscious effort not
to take it out on your girl?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
And the reason I say that is a lot of
times when we deal with things, the only person we
do really get a chance to talk to it is
your girl. Absolutely, if honest to your wife, do you
make it a contra effort when you talk about the
death your brother, everything that's going on in the streets,
your father?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Do you make it that effort not to do it?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
No?
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Now I talk to her about everything, Like, whatever emotion
I'm feeling, I bring it to her in a way
where I just want her to understand it, Like I
used to bring it to her where she just felt
my pain in a fucked up way because I was
mentally just not there. I'm arguing and like I just
said earlier in the interview, like I'm not confrontational. So
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every day I'm trying to find it in me to
not crash out on somebody. So she might say the
smallest thing and it triggered me and we started arguing
and doing goofy shit like it was silly, like I
really should just tell her, like I should tell her
what I'm feeling and what I'm going through. And I
feel like she gave me grace because when my little
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brother died, she knew that shit tore me apart art,
like she understood it. So it's like she's just like,
just let me get away with murder for real. Like
I used to come home and argue and not come
home sometimes, Like I really used to purposely not come
home because I'm just fucked up in the head, Like
I just slept in my car in the garage, all
type of shit, just because I just didn't want to
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go up there and feel that shit. Because like I said,
when when my brother died, she was pregnant, so she
fully emotionus to me, yea, she got feel like.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
So it's like like like like now I definitely make
it like like a thing, like making my business to
not put that on her and to communicate with her,
like communication is key, and she is a communicator, like
she's gonna say what you feel, she gonna say what
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she feel how she feel, like she not holding nothing back.
And as a man, I ain't never really experienced that
for real, to be honest, like I ain't never had
to really like just sit down and talk. You feel me, Like,
she really make me sit down and talk about this shit.
And I appreciate that though from her and her pops
told me some real shit. I ain't gonna wow dad
like me and her pops like this. And sometimes she
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don't even like it because her dad gonna tell me
shit that's like beneficial to me and might not be
beneficial to her, you know what I'm saying, Like yeah, yeah,
So like he told me some real shit that nigga
told me one day, he said, Bro, whatever the fuck
you got going on, lead that shit at the doormat
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before you walk in the house.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Bro, walk in the house with peace.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
Walk in the house like you want to go in
the house and see your girl and talk to your
girl and be with your kids.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
And that shit helped me, I swear to God, like
I literally some days I just go and walk in
the house and I'll look at the doormat like literally,
like boy, going this motherfucker and be happiness right no
matter what's going on, because you gotta be grateful to
make it in the house. That nigga told me that shit.
I swear to God, that changed my whole perspective. Like,
whatever you got going on, however, your day went lead
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that ship at the concrete before you walk in the house,
and that ship helped me.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
I know you was happy when Ari and Tina got cool.
I know because the long back and forth and the
beef and stuff.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
How did that make you feel? To see that?
Speaker 3 (44:16):
It made me feel great, like amazing.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
For really had nothing to do with that, Nah.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Nothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
And the reason why it happened is because you don't like,
you don't really play the middle. You just play right
and wrong. You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't
play the middle. You know what I'm saying like, I'm
not going like shy away from my love for my woman.
I'm not going to shy away from my love for
my son.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Mom. You feel me like.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Just like I just want everybody to be a family.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
And you said, we're not a blended family. With a family,
everybody can call each other.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
And yeah, ive seen people say like, oh I love
a blended family. It's like it's just a family. Like
fuck the blended ship.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Your money bag to this song.
Speaker 7 (45:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah that too. How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
We was like, uh, in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I was in Atlanta for my son game, and I
was talking about my show, like the Swerve and Friendship.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I was talking about it, and I was on the
phone with Bag at the time.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
I'm like, man, let me holler at him mellow like
if I was talking to him like man, I'm trying
to bring you out for this ship, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And he like, all right, bet, we need to do
some shit real quick.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I'm gonna send you something, send it back, gonna drop
this ship before the show. It was like we had
like a two week deadline or some shit like we
did that shit quick. We sent the song no matter
of fact, I don't even think he sent the song,
tripping like we need to do some shit.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
We was in LA I pulled up on him.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
We did a song together, and then he like structured it,
put the song together, then sent it and I finished
the song. He's like, all right, bet we're finna shoot
this ship on I think my show was on the
twenty six or some shit like that. We shot the
video on the twentieth, put that ship right out, and
I brought him out to the song. So it's like, yeah,
he put that play together. That was hard.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
It's about you said, y'all rushed and did it.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Yeah, that ship, we definitely rushed and did it like
all that ship was strategic for sure.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Did y'all have any conversations you know about the relationship.
Y'all never even had to know.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Hell, we don't even got to do that.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Bro like me and him ain't never had no like
differist like it was never no confusion and none of
that type of ship like at all. We ain't got
to talk about that because it's just it just is
what it is.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
I want to ask one more question about just the
grieving process, and I put a button on it. How
have you helped Funny Marco through his grieving process? Because
you killed him on the show. It's still impacted him.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Just here he was just talking about him.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
He was literally just here that when was that last week?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Can you tell me what he said?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
What the fuck did he say?
Speaker 5 (46:51):
He just it hurt him and he's learning from it
and he grew from it and he had to learn
to have you know, thicker skin because of it. Like
you ever think about how you affected one Marco negatively?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Like, yeah, I did.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I'm not gonna lie I did.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
But at the same time I didn't because and I
and marcael my mans like me and him still talk.
I didn't apologize to him about this ship. And it's like,
it's like what I said, what happened in the watch
come out in the rints like Marco's a troll. He
hurt people feelings every single day, and they called me
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there to hurt his feelings. I swear to god, they
literally called me there like me and south Side. We
was drunk and all that shit for sure, like we
I think the way we did it just came off
a little aggressive because how we are as nature like
we street niggas, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
feel like he was a little intimidated when we did,
but we wasn't going to do nothing to We weren't
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trying to scam. They literally called us there and said,
do whatever, troll him, hurt them, disrespect them, talk like
not disrespect them. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna say dispect them,
talk about him, do whatever you Yeah, they told us
to flip the script, but he didn't know that. I
don't think he told us to do that what.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
We did and he needed to be more prepared.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
What did he say, I forgot the other day when
he was here.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Now he said he should have trolled back.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Ye don't know whether he posted to troll back and
just it would have been a totally different experience. They
think we came on there and shipped on him, and
we wasn't doing that. We was really having fun. We
fucked with broke, but he wasn't like ready for a
nigga to come and do that to him, like and
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when we left, his team was like, oh, we love it.
It's gonna be so great. They called and asked me
in Southside, do we want our own show? I swear
to god, Wow, y'all want your own show? Like, man,
he don't know do that we'll give a funk about
having their own show. We just did. Like they literally
called us and asked us, did we want to show
that we want all this ship like you feel me
in Like no, but we really had fun at night.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
I ain't gonna lie right.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
We didn't think that it was going like how that
effect on the world and on him too, So like
shout funny, Margot, man, I fuck with you like and
I told him this though, Like I was like, bro, man, nigga,
you know, we fuck with you for real.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
You know what I'm saying. But like we definitely violated.
I ain't gonna.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
He said he used to just one person.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
He said, it was two of y'all.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
We valolated. Man, I apologize again. Man, you got the
song thank me. How important is to thank yourself?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Man?
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Very very important man.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
And I feel like I ain't really realize that until
I did that record, Like you gotta think yourself and
congratulate yourself. You feel I'm saying because I'm one of
them type of people that I'll really soon as I
drop a project, soon as I do anything, I be
on to the next ship. Like I don't even listen
to like if I used to be that artist, Like
soon as my album drop on Friday Saturday, I'm playing
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unreleased music that I just worked on. And you gotta
live in like you gotta grasp ontil, you gotta live in.
And went legit helped me do that, Like me having
that type of big record and everybody just like congratulating
me and just like telling me this record is this
and you know what I'm saying, this is crazy and
you got this moment and you the hottest right now,
Like you feel what I'm saying. I never in my career,
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nobody never walked up on me, but like you the
hottest out of everybody.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
You feel me.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Niggas told me I'm the favorite rapper, Like yeah, you,
but niggas walk up to me now and be like
you the one, You the top dog, And I ain't
never felt that before, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like you gotta like thank yourself and you gotta like.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Like live in in it.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
You feel me like a lot of times, and I said,
is already a lot of rooms. I didn't used to
be in them, bitches. For real, mentally I was really
somewhere else, Like I really forgot a lot of my
life and a lot of my career and a lot
of relationships and a lot of people that I met.
That was important because mentally, I'm just thinking about some
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whole water shit. So it's like you gotta grasp into
it and be great for what you have. So that's
like thank me that record, Like I had to deep,
like dig deep into just like being grateful for what
I got and thinking myself and just that I got
this far, like I was able to change my circumstances,
my family circumstances creative family have kids like and all
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this shit was kind of strategic, like I was. I
was one of the niggas, Like I wasn't having no
children until I got some money and got out the streets.
I just couldn't do it, like for real, for real,
Like I could have probably had ten kids already, you
know what I'm saying. But I was just the type
of nigga that I'm not doing that shit until I'm
able to really like raise my kids and focus on
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my kids or find a woman that I cared about
enough to create a family with them, you know what
I'm saying. And when I think about that type of shit,
just being grateful that I was able to like create
life for real, for real, like you know what I'm saying.
So it's very important to thank yourself. And that's a
real important record for shure.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Are you still struggling with a nightmare because on one
chance you say you're dealing with sleep paralysis, you.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Know you be having nightmaenes? You still that's ship bad, bro?
Ain't we say that's the hag riding you?
Speaker 5 (52:11):
When you have to sleep paralys when you can't your eyes,
your eyes are open, you feel like what you mean,
Like hag is a spiritual creature, maybe evil depending on
who you ask, but it haunts you.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
I definitely, And.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
I'm very spiritual for sure. Like, and I struggle with
sleep a lot, like sleep paradises I have. Sleep paralysis
is a lot, nightmare is a lot. Like sometimes my girl,
just wake me up, and like you feel me, like
I sweat in my sleep, Like I ain't gonna lie.
I still got a lot of healing to do, Like
it's a point where I say this to my girl
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all the time.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
You think I'd be joking, Like, and that's why you
do this ship, Like that's why you.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Get money and you do the shit you're doing so
you could chill, Like I really want to be able
to chill and just sleep and relax and heal and heal,
Like it's a point of my life. I want to
enjoy my life. I ain't like I'm trying to get
enough money to quit for real. Real, Like when artists
were like Nigga be like, oh yeah, you fell off,
They gonna say that shit to death when it comes
(53:19):
in because I'm stopping this shit.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
I'm gonna enjoy my family.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
I'm enjoying my kids because I really can't sleep some
nice like for real. Three four days ago, I woke
up every single hour. I told my girl she was sleep,
she's sleeping like a baby.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I woke up.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Every hour because I heard five six nightmentes. I can't sleep.
This shit is fucked up for me, you feel me?
And I still wake up and do the breakfast club.
I still go do my shows. I still go to
the studio like if what I'm saying, I still try
to show up. So it's gonna be a point of
my life and my career. Well, I'm quitting this shit.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
I need to be able to take care of everybody
and go to sleep, just chill and just go vacation.
Speaker 4 (53:57):
And be with my family. Like I'm g I've only
been to three four countries. I have not seen the world.
I want to see this ship.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
They're gonna start seeing it now because.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
I just want to say.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
The hag feeds off the energy of the sleeping victims,
so it steals their breath and where their skin is
a disguise.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
So but I've seen a lot of death, bro, you know,
I mean dead bodies. I've seen a lot, seeing my
friends die a lot. Everything about getting saved, not really,
to be honest, not really, I haven't.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
I've been thinking about it. I'm not, but I've been
thinking about it for sure, Like why are you looking
at me like.
Speaker 7 (54:36):
That because you've been thinking about getting saved with you not?
Speaker 4 (54:40):
No, I mean I'm not saved, but I know you're
not saying. He doesn't say he's not doing it.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
I've been thinking about it. I just wanted to.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
I don't know. I'm just always looking for different ways
to find in peace for sure, definitely I need it
and my like my biggest thing, like what bring me
peace for real is just being around my kids. I
swear to guys when I be home, like my girls
say that, and I like seeing little memes and ship
like when you comfortable and you at comfort, that's when
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you really sleep. I like I just said, I got
sleep proudly don't sleep, but sometimes like I could come home,
like when I'm on the road, it just that one
night of sleep everything for me, like for real, for real,
Like I get home and be with my girl on
the couch and be with my kids and I just
fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Bro, that ship just bring me so much comfort and peace.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
That's your sign.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Be like you always sleeping, all you do is sleep.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I can't you do sleep, But that's the best. That's
the best time you feel comfortable at home. We want
to get into something that what you want to hear
down man.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
Let's play give it out.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
That's one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
And we appreciate you for joining us. Brother.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
I do have one last question before you.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Do that chat. Yeah, we all lives. If you've got questions,
you heard, but let us know now because let's get
a chat.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
But I wanted to ask you about Chicago, right.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
It built you, but it also caused you so much pain.
What's your relationship with the city now? It's like it's crazy.
I love Chicago so much and I just had this
conversation with me yesterday. He like, Bro, we about to
neglect that bitch, like we not even going there on
tour or nothing, like they gotta really miss you for
real real because I go there so much and and
(56:22):
I be feeling comfortable because it just it's home for me,
you know what I'm saying. And I still, of course,
like I already you know I'm gonna be on my
on my head on swivel, regardless, you know what I'm saying,
I always take precaution and do all of that.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
My relationship with Chicago is.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
My mother won't leave, you know what I'm saying, Like
she won't leave, so it's like my heart is still
there something like not even some days a lot of that.
I go to Chicago and I don't see my mom
because she hang with me in LA like she'd be
with me out of that. But my heart is still
in Chicago. My mom, now, my auntie's there, my grandmother there,
like my friends there. So I go there and I
enjoy myself. If I go to restaurants, I do this
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and like I really moved in Chicago, like probably nobody
else for real, for real, it's not many artists in Chicago,
especially as big as I am at my level, that
go outside and do the ship that I do in Chicago.
I go to clubs every time I'm there. I go
to restaurants, like I don't sit in my hotel. I
go outside in Chicago. And I just did that big
(57:22):
ass concert and hit all them artists there, and I
went to three spots after that, like they.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Didn't like my team didn't want me to go outside.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
Saying this in the check Now you'd be everywhere you
there love top five Chicago in Chicago, love her whole
like we.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
Went to we did the show, and I went to
three places. I went to a bowling alley, a club,
and another club. And it was peaceful, like it was
no nothing like I hear everybody. I had Polo there,
Bag came outside. I already came outside, Doug came outside,
twenty one came outside. Every everybody came outside. And it's
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like that ship really like it's smooth. It's dangerous, but
Chicago is a great place for sure.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Chad, say that Chicago love you like they love d rolls.
Speaker 5 (58:11):
When they getting when you get when you get another
when we're doing another four minutes, the hell when they
getting anotherour.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
I'm gonna definitely do it. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
I be saying I'm done, but I definitely like that's
that's something that I just gotta do, like you know
how like like like like t Grizzly do the robberies,
I gotta keep doing four minutes A hell's for sure.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
All right, Well, we appreciate you for joining.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Man, make sure you pick up her abo album this
week Her and It's the Breakfast Club, Good Morning, every
day a week.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
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