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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day, pick up the breakfast Club. I'm finish for
y'all morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is the j Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne de goud
We are the breakfast Club La La Roses here as well,
and we got a special guest in the buildings, Ladies
and gentlemen, Ari Lennox, welcome back already.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How you feeling feel a good? How's your energy this morning? Good?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Amazing?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah and Holly favored?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yes, yes, yes, me too.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes. Vacancy is out right now, that's right.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Vacancy can mean a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It can mean emptiness, yep. It can mean opportunity.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
What exactly became vacant in your life that allowed this
version of Ari Lennox exists and create this project.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think it's just the repetitiveness of my dating life. Yeah.
The album encompasses avoid that needs to be filled and
that can be romantic, it can be platonic. It can mean,
you know, in a business way, it's just a metaphor
or whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To you, you know, is platonic. We got let's forget it.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Biopic biopics. I think, depending on how you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Can be having us saying the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is it supposed to be? Yes? And you're the person,
all right, camera, that's lovely.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
So on this project, you go in and out of
your space, whether it's your heart, your physical space, and
maya energy being vacant then being occupied then not.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
It's all over place. But it's a good journey.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
But so where are you in real life after this
album in the dating world?
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Like what like?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, I'm just alone, but.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It is.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is thirty four years of like romantic loneliness. But
it's cool. No, it's all right. I'm doing great. I'd
rather be by myself than in anything toxic or unhealthy.
So it is what it is, you know, I'm okay,
turn it up.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Though, I to turn up, which is my teen You
to own house Cats, you said you'd be wanting.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
To and right here, I have this hot water.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I don't know if you have no damn t in
the club that night.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
But when you saw me years ago, years ago, No,
I was like what two years ago?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Last year?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Last year?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh yeah, I had my hookah I stopped. I had
to stop though, Yeah, I made a pack of the man.
It's okay, I mean last year I wasn't singing, but
this year, I am. So we got a tour coming up,
you know, the Vacancy tour starts April twelfth, So yeah,
I want to be vocally prepared for it. So no
more hookah for me.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But so, but you're still on your sobriety journey right
drinking want but you said you made a pack with
the man.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
That's what made you stop? Yes, what happened to that
made you said?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
He was horrible, he was trifling, he had a secret girlfriend,
or he had a girlfriend. I guess I was the
secret and I had no idea and I haven't spoke
to him since once he told me.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So you don't like you never liked the Escape song
You're my little Secret.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You couldn't be.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I do love that song. I love Escape, So yeah,
I could not be a secret. No, but I do
love that song. They was singing, Somebody want to keep
You a Secret. I think it just speaks to the
state of dating out here. It's just incredibly depressing. I
feel like for everybody. You know, so it is what
it is?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Are there songs on this project about him? I know
that you've been working on this for some time from him?
Hell no, okay, because under the moon talks about somebody
that's a big could be a big toxic.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, that was someone else. Oh that was one of
my exes. And I don't even know if he counts
as an ex It was like a month long relationship.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
It counts, so it counts really well, well, it depends
all right, Now, do you feel that you had a connection.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Oh, my God Jesus, like, thank yoush space, thank you
in your hair.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Don't look confused, confused, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
You know that that depends, right, Did you have a
strong connection with him?
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Do you feel like you loved him? Because the month
can you A month can be short to some people,
but that could mean a long time.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
It's not about the time, it's about how you connected
with him, how he made you feel.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah. No, I don't feel like I loved him. I
don't think it was because I think in order to
love someone, you have to accept them for all that
they are, and I feel like we did not accept
each other for our truest selves, and for that reason,
I don't believe it was love at all. Probably just infatuation,
which I said it is just that repetitive theme. I
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think there were a lot of secure energies that entered
my life that I wasn't ready for, And now they're
getting married, all these secure people that I like, I
didn't under I didn't recognize that safety like in them then,
I think, because there's so much chaos inside of me.
But I'm working through it. I have my therapist, and
I'm a lot more aware of it now, those red
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flags and things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Do you love fast? Do you like trust fast? When
it comes to dating?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I do, I do, But I don't think it's love.
I think it's like trauma or something I think, or
a kink, some type of like love kink. I think
I have that because I'll be quick to be like,
oh yeah, I love you, but it's like we're fucking,
so it's like, like, of course I do right now.
It's nice. The sex is really nice. And sometimes that
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can be just a little misleading, a little confusing. The
emotions are high, and I think just in general, my
emotions run extremely high, so I tend to romanticize and
exaggerate things.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Why can't you just love sexual?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
If somebody flips you and fold you and put you.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
A song, I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Why can't you just love the physical act, Like why
does it have to be anything else?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, you're right, I can love it, but I think
a part of sex for me is a very passionate thing,
and it's just ironic because a lot of the times
it isn't or it hasn't been in my past, very
passionate and like, yeah, I think, yeah, all my relationships
were kind of just surfaced for real. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Do you want to be in love? Clearly? Right?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I do? I Do you think you've ever been? No? No,
I thought so, but no, I don't think I have
now that I know what it means to be because
it's a choice every day. I don't think I ever
made that choice every day in those relationships.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You're in therapy, right, And I go to therapy a
lot as well, and your therapist will all often tell
you that your first, last, and best love is self love,
Like you can't love anybody else, Yeah, until you truly
love yourself?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Do you think that part of the reason.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Absolutely. My therapist is amazing. She has me doing these
exercises every morning where I have to look at myself
in the mirror and that's like so hard, Like I'm
speaking to myself and I like who am I, and
so it's been helpful, but it's definitely been an exercise
that I avoid. I think it's just it's it's hard,
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honestly to face myself. But I'm getting closer, and it's
amazing how long therapy has happened. She's been telling me
that I need to read this book called The Courage
to Trust, and I've been avoiding it, and it's just
I know I could be so much farther in my journey.
It's funny that I'm just prolonging healing in that way.
(07:45):
But yeah, one day I'll read it. One day I'll
be able to breeze through that mirror exercise. But yeah,
So those are ways that I'm like practicing self love,
slowly facing myself and learning who I am?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is it the trust issues?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is it the trust issues because you are a celebrity?
You are, so it's understanding why somebody's coming into your space?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is it because they really like me?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Is it they love the idea of what's going on
around me? Is it because I am a celebrity? Is
that a big trust issue when it comes to you?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh? Yeah, how do you.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Go through that?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I have every right to have trust issues in that regard.
I think men think I'm this barbie, like they see
me online sometimes and I look like this or something,
and they think that's how I am all the time,
when really I have a pickup truck, I got two
big dogs. I'm in the middle of nowhere on the
water in the woods. It's a little creepy to people,
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but I love it, you know. And I take my
trash to the landfill. All these kind of things that
I don't think a man would ever expected me. I
have multiple properties and things of that nature. I do
not do that.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I do have a lawnmower, but no one will teach
me how to use it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So there is a I have a company finally that
does it for me. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Do you feel like you learned?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Like you learned, you learned something new about yourself and
every relationship.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That you Yes, yes, my last one definitely taught me
to figure out what the hell is going on inside
of me. Like I realized, oh, okay, I have an
anxious attachment style, and then I realized, oh, I'm also avoidant,
Like this is this has been this battle that I've
been facing, and I think until like heal that more,
(09:31):
I don't think I'll be able to dig deeper in
a relationship. I think that's always going to be that block. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, that's so interesting because when I listen to your music,
I hear a self awareness, right I do you know
what I mean at least or at least that you're
comfortable with what it is that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know what I mean, and who you're doing it with.
That's where I get from it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yes, but what you mean, like, and so you think
that means you're confused about me having trust issues? Are
you saying?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Because I feel like you got to trust yourself enough
to even.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
To be able to even move like that.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well the music that you make, that's easy.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
The music that you make is like it resonates with
women like navigating self worth and growth and love. So
it is kind of hard to here you sit here
and say like the opposite. No, like it's hard for
you to find love or you know something like that,
or just everything that you feel, like you said is
inside of you. I don't feel that in your music.
(10:30):
Oh wow, like, oh you got it all together? This
girl is? You make me want to go telling niggas
fuck you, you know, because you know your worth. You
know what you want and you know what you will
stand for and what you want in a relationship.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
That's what I get from your music.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's why that's me too. I know my worth and
when it's time to go, I'm definitely you know, I
block and you know, delete that thread and cut people off.
But but yeah, I mean yeah, I'm doing all right.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, And your press release for a Vacancy, one of
the lines I wrote down was our new album, Vacancy
signals a sophisticated new chapter defined by creative autonomy, confidence
and growth.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And I feel like Shaye butter Baby was that.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I felt like, like all of the projects are that
you so and this process took you three It was
three years, but for many years.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, And I didn't feel like it was done. So
I'm sure I stressed out the label, my management shout
out to Jaha and Justin, I know I stressed them out,
but I knew the album wasn't done. And thank god
everyone dragged me for like my singles, it kind of
encouraged me to let me get back to the studio,
(11:39):
make some more soul music, make some more pop leaning music,
and just yeah, and then I knew I was. I
felt relief. I knew it was time. Okay, it's done,
and I'm really proud.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It's a good it's a great album, and it does
feel like it feels like a reset, you know, musically
and personally.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, So did leaving dream Bill create that you?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Were you already evolving and just needed space to show it?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Let me see? No, I feel like I've That's the
beauty about Dreamville. They've always created that atmosphere of just
like follow your heart, do what you want to do,
and and so it was it's always been beautiful, like
I've always had that creative freedom. And then Innerscope is
really amazing with supporting me and that too, like they've
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never pushed me to do anything that I didn't want
to do. Same thing with Dreamville. So it's always been
like beautiful, really healthy.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You know that seems like you and have a great relationship.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, he's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
How did you and JD hook up? And how did
that expand to where it is now?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh? Between Justin and the labels, they put together a
session and we created pressure and we've just been cool
ever since. He's lovely, He's an amazing marketing giant. You know,
he'd be in the streets shouting every body out. Everybody
he works with. He's just lovely and he's really easy
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to work with in the studio. He's not pushy or
anything like that. He's just incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So yeah, how did he stretch your artistry?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Stretch it? How does he stretch it? I mean, it's
just I mean, he just encourages me to talk about
all kinds of different things. He's playing all types of
different beats. Let me tell you something. When we get
in the studio, if you play me a sexy beat,
I'm a fucking beat freaky as hell on that beat,
you know what I'm saying. But if you play he's
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something that makes me want to fight, I'm gonna talk
some angry ship, you know. So it really does just
depend on the vibe. So yeah, have you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Ever got confusing to fight?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
WHOA? Never? Not yet?
Speaker 7 (13:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Did you know it's time to leave Dreamville when this is.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No? Because I feel like every time I kind of
have arguments with people, it seems like the beginning of
the end. And I don't really think I say the
worst things. I just think I don't know the balloon
pop so it must be some type of surfaced energy.
Maybe I'm just not opening up enough to where they
really think I'm somebody else and then they find out, oh,
she's a human or like you know what I'm saying,
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and it's just they don't like that human. So I
don't know. I would like to get in a relationship
where like, okay, not we're yelling and screaming, but like
we had a disagreement and that's okay, and now we're
kissing and everything's fine.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Do you cross that line, because it seems like you
said you cross that line. Do you cross that line
where it's like, you know there's a line in the
argument where you know you don't need to go right,
you know it is gonna hurt somebody's feelings. Do you
cross that line in that argument?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No, I don't think all the time. I don't think
that now all the time. I think it's just me
needing time to snap out of it, or maybe an
energy that's a lot more understanding and like I don't know,
wanting to you know what helps me, Like when someone's
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just like I don't want to fight, and I'll also
like express that too, like I don't want to fight
and that disarms me a bit, and I feel like
that can disarm both.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
People, are right.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, you only got to say that to
people who you know like to fight.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
No, Yes, you only say because you know, if you
know the person well enough, you're like, look, I don't
want to fight. You already know what's gonna set the more.
You only say that to people who you know like
to fight.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
No, that was the first time me and this person
had an argument. And I wonder if I said it
or he said it first. I don't know, but I mean,
we never had an argument until that moment, and we
just literally got along. But I guess we were just
minting our words so much, and maybe that's why I
blew up the way that it did.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
But you're a communicator, You write songs, you actually communicate
for a living, so I'm sure you can communicate in
the country.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I do. I do. When things get really spicy,
like if we're yelling, I know it's time. It's time
for it to be over. I think yelling is like toxic.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
What's the biggest thing that you guys would argue over?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Oh, this was just what happened. He didn't like it.
When I would say no, he was okay, I had
been working out, Okay, let me explain. Yeah, I'm sorry,
let me continue. So I was in the gym all
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day and I was tired, and then I asked him.
I said, hey, can you like stretch with me, like
let's stretch or whatever? And he was like sure, and
then he started doing all of these like things a
dance stretching routine that I was tired. So I kind
of just stopped and sat down, and he was pissed.
And so then we went to chappol l and we
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were eating and he just was giving me the silent treatment,
and he was holding his chips so tight and no,
I don't remember, but he was holding his ship so
tight and he usually shares his chips. So I'm just like,
who are you going. I feel like we weren't aligned,
and that's all, like I think everyone's different. Then he
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put his hands out to prey and I just was like,
you know what if I don't want to pray? It
was awkward. Okay, this was a build up for me
because he never asked me if I was comfortable. And
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I know this may sound bad, but praying in public
with the hands at Chipotle.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The first time we got in a circle.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And I don't mind that, It's just it was just
atch in North Hollywood.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
After Chips, his dog, his vibe that he was giving
you before you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
I think if he if y'all was good and he
ain't do all that balat and didn't want to do
all that, and y'all had a great stretch.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You didn't ask me how we should stretch. He didn't
want to reach stretch. She didn't want to. He asked
me to scratch.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
I came to But if she was having that like.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
A praise dad God, I love God.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I just think if you if he was, if he
was giving off a better vibe and she right and
feel comfortable, like you want to pray, but your little
vibe a little off. So I'm gonna pray to myself.
I don't want to pray with you right now.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That could have been the.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Chips or was it the praying that bothered you the most?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
No, it was just all of it combined. And then
as we were walking I'm not an atheist all like,
I thank God, but yeah, so I think after that
We're walking home and I'm like you know what, you
don't like being told no, And that was the beginning
of the end. I think we both blacked out a bit.
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You remember the conversation, I know, that's all I remember.
I just know we were just going back and forth,
and I eventually said, this is not gonna work, which
is a terrible thing like to say in a relationship.
I think I don't. It's something I heard my dad
saying all the time growing up, and I really feel
like I've adopted that so like when things are like
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really rough, this is not gonna work, or like just
kind of fall back a bit. So I think those
things can be hurtful to a partner. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
When your dad was saying it, was it just about
things in life in general? Was it a relationship with
your mom? Or like what was your dad saying in reference.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
To just everything, any type of argument he would have
with anyone, any type of conflict, or he was pissed
at his kids for doing this or that. It was
this isn't gonna work. And I just feel like I
definitely do that, like, you know, as a response, as
a defense mechanism. I think, because yeah, things aren't things
don't have to be that extreme. You know every time,
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but I'm sure that was really hurtful to him, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And where that power if you keep seeing something not
gonna work?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
And you are an Aries right now, very spicy, like
you said, Bee.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Spicy.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
So do you sign?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I'm an Aquarius wonderful and Aquarius cole that's right.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh my god, I don't.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
I don't know that. I don't a lot to keep
things on, even kill you know. I got that from
The Departed.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That was a movie.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I love that movie, movies like that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, I was gonna what is going on?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Do you think somebody's zodiac sign plays the part in
whether or not you'll date them?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, I will state I will still date anybody, and
it doesn't have anything to do with their sign. But
I have noticed patterns with certain signs, like Pisces. I
feel like men, at least when it comes to me.
I don't believe we are very compatible. I think they
are literally this a slippery fish that you can never catch,
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very aloof energy, bottom of the bottom up.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Chip.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
No, he was, well, I ain't gonna tell you who
he was, and't gonna put it wasn't Oh he was.
He was a Pisces. Yes, secret family. I feel like
there are secrets. There are a lot of secrets that
Pisces men have, and I I think they're very at
least with me and in my experience, surface energies. So
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there's something in me. I think they think I'm something else,
and when they realize, oh there's something deeper here, I'm out.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Are these men like celebrities or they're like like what
are they?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Uh no, no one really knows them.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
No, okay, yeah, do you purposely date like out of
the industry?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Honestly, I would, Oh, well, I would love to date
someone that's well known, but I would like to date
someone that's not in the industry, like a scientist or
a historian. I think could be really nice because I
like history. I like science and things of that nature.
So I want somebody that I can completely just kind
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of silence my music world. I don't want to talk
about music all day unless it's old school stuff like
that's fun, you know, but like the studio stuff and
like songs, and like, I couldn't date a songwriter. I
think I would get really exhausted. I have gotten exhausted.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What they want he always wanted you to hear lyrics,
yes or.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Exactly or songs and I just write for you right exactly,
you know, I just I just want something completely opposite, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I was gonna ask before, you know, when did you
know it was time to leave dream Field. We've heard
you complained for years and how you wanted to be
independent and what you wanted to do on yourself. When
did you know it was the right time?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I think, you know, it's just a feeling. I think
after when my song Smoke dropped, it just felt like
we weren't aligned. And it's not their fault. I don't
know what happened. I think perhaps they didn't know, like
the date of it or something. And I think as
it dropped, it was just I could feel like there
(23:45):
was no marketing behind it and I and I mean,
you were right.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I vocally said that I never felt like they supported you.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh I do feel like they supported me overall, Like
I don't believe that I would have gotten this far
without them. J Cole was the greatest co sign I
could have ever had. As a neo soul artist, people
sleep on our genre so incredibly so he changed my
life and introduced me to people that probably might not
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have received me the same if they heard me outside
of you know, his camp. So the marketing overall, like
ow is incredible, But honestly, I think they were in
the middle of a deal separating Dreamville from Interscope, and
I think that's what I was feeling at the time,
and that's why they were unable to really hone in
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on what's going on. I think over the years also
I have to take accountability with a lot of just
my little things on the internet, with just speaking up
about different things, I think probably created some tension for sure. No,
not even the label, just like just the little things
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like a Martin fan, and they didn't like No, not
I I don't even think so.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Around the time that smoke dropped, you Will posted online
that you were exhausted by Dreamville, that you were tired
of people treating you like you were to face of
mental health. You're okay, you're happy, but they're not. They're
not marketing you well, they're not protecting you. You wish
labels knew how.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
To do that. I felt that way about Interscope too.
It wasn't just all Dreamville and Interscope has really they've
really shown me a lot of love and support and
things of that nature. And I think it just was
a really emotional time for me, and I I think
I was I regretted. Honestly, I feel like I should
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have never taken it to the internet Internet. But like
you know, I do want to apologize to j Cole.
I've been I sent him a message on Instagram, I
sent him a voice note. I'm a little afraid to
give them a call, but I do apologize. Yeah, yeah,
I love that. None of those got well you know,
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well they don't deserve apology. But it was never cold.
Cole was never the issue. I think it just was
literally like a marketing thing in it.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
But it is what it is, see for me, and
I'm sure you know so you're right.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So I guess just on the outside looking and you're like, well, damn, Cole,
why don't you stand next to you, next to somebody
like that more.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Often regarding because that can help him marketing a lot.
He This man.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Flew all the way to London for me. I was performing.
I mean it was beautiful time, sold out two nights.
I forgot the venue, but it was beautiful and it
was massive. This man surprised me as I'm performing Shade
butter Baby, and I cried like a baby. I sounded
like a walrus. I could not get the words out
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because I was so shocked. Like that's how loving and
selfless he is, so cold himself, like I will always
care and respect him because London across the pond for little.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Old me is like, what you know, he just liked
to ride bikes and stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Oh my god, No.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Was called like, how did you call him and tell
him you wanted to be released? Do you remember that call?
Did you speak to him directly?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I sadly, with my avoidant nature, I sent him a
voice note about it, and it's sad I should have
called him. Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Did he respond?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I was. I wasn't ready to face like my own
my own ways. I wasn't ready to be accountable for myself.
And then I don't believe. I was just scared about
Like there's a lot of things that I wish I
just talked to him about before taking it to the internet.
So I really feel like those things created that tension.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Did you respond? Did he respond to?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
He did respond? He did respond. Come on, But that's
why that's why I apologize.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
If you want to share with it.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
When he responded with that, he said, because he's normally
very like warm and comforting when he talks about you.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, he said he wished I called him.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So yeah, when you.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Look back now, it was the frustration about marketing, creative control,
and just feeling misunderstood.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
As an artist.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
There's things I didn't understand about, like how you're supposed
to move in a in a label.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I didn't know. Yeah, what's the question again? Sorry, I
got my ADHD.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I don't forgot to.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Marketing.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Was it marketing being.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Artist?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Was it creative control or being miss Oh? I just
know I feel like they understood me. I think they
understood me well. I think uh, like I said, I
think there was a lot of things going on at
that time where they couldn't focus on the artists at
that specific time. But they did all them other years before,
but at that specific time, I think they were parting
ways with Innerscope, So like I got lost in like
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that and I didn't know that until after, and then
it's just like damn, I wouldn't have said anything like yeah,
but it's also not my business, like they are a business,
and I should have known that and respected that you
know as an artist, like, this is a business and
I'm learning that.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And I don't think stood.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't think Cole ever stood next to any of
his artists. He always played the background.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
No, he stood next to us with our features and
on stage and putting us on. We opened up for him.
All them collaborations we've done together, Boss has done together.
Oh yeah, them Dreamville albums. Yeah, he stood next to us.
He didn't have to.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
What's one thing that because I think when people talk
about you Dreamville, J Cole, it's always this stuff. What's
one thing that you wish people would talk more about
when they talk about you Dreamville.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And J co Oh wow, I don't know just just
how sweet he is, how selfless he is. I remember
before for Your Eyes Only dropped, he was driving around.
He was like, let's listen to my album, y'all, and
like we got in the car and me Jake, he's
been driving one of a big old well, I don't
(30:23):
know if I shot I should tell you his car.
It wasn't a Honda, not that there's anything, but it
was a big old truck. Yeah. Yeah. Listening to his
music and I that was a very special thing to
do like I for me to be able to get
the first listen in the car with him an elite
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and I believe someone else was there. Sorry to that person,
I don't remember, but it was beautiful. It was beautiful.
It's just things like that, and then beautiful conversations he
would have with me about like just me feeling down
or financial intelligence. He really instilled in me and wanted
to prepare me for and thank god he did. I
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made certain decisions, like with investing in properties and because
I'll spend some money, like I'll spend some money, so
that helped. Those homes that I invested in are kind
of like a savings account for me. And I feel
like he put me on a certain thing.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So what's the hardest part of closing that chapter?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Hardest part is just just wishing things didn't in the
way that they did. I know I didn't help, but
it was funny because it was all kind of vending anyway.
I just wish I knew that, but you know, I
have to be accountable, So I think that's the hardest part. Yeah,
(31:52):
just knowing that I you know, I was unprofessional and
really emotional.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, how did that experience change the way you view
the music.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Industry, Well, honestly, my experience has been relatively good.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I'm really lucky. There's a lot of labels that would
have dropped me. There's a lot of labels that could
have assaulted me, all kinds of things. Dreamville was really
a protective energy. They I remember there was one time
I got drunk as hell in Australia and I was
dancing and I was making out with this guy. It
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was terrible on the dance floor and I went home.
I went to the hotel and this man was I
guess he was tagging along or he was trying to
get My friend said he was just like trying to
get into my room, and said was like absolutely not
like all And I was so drunk it could have
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been bad. And yeah, there were times where, you know,
outside of Dreamville, where like things happened where I wasn't
very coherent because of liquor, and so yeah, and that moment,
it's just like, I really appreciate having my brothers there
to stop this man from who knows what.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
You know, So you have been so blessed when it
comes to that. I heard another story you told about
when you were in an airport yeah, and you it's
kind of the same thing.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Like anybody could have did anything. You're blacked out from drinking.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Anybody I was drunk. I was always drunk in the airport,
especially when before the flight. Yeah, okay, before the flight
to get through the flight. I've just always been terrified
of flying. And it's that's the amazing aspect of sobriety
is that I can actually heal and like face these
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issues because I'm not prolonging it or you know, with
numbing myself. So that's been great, Like, now flying is
a lot easier.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
Well, good, Yeah, what do you think you were trying
to run from? Like what do you think? Why were
you drinking so much?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
What was oh?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Everything? Really it was the flying that really spearheaded like everything.
It was just the fear of dying, a horrific death
from the guy.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
How anxiety works. I don't want to call it any
irrational fears.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Whatever fear you have is multiplied times one hundred, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And so yeah, I just wanted to numb that. I
didn't want to be screaming on the plane and embarrassing myself.
But now like I know what the plane sounds like
when I'm taking off. I know, I'm starting to like
how it feels. It's still I feel like a rocket
going into space, but you know, it's it's gotten easier.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Do you feel like an artist personality is just as
important as their talent?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Ah? I do, and I feel like it can be
damaging if you're too honest, too open, too opinionated. Yeah,
there are things I wish I never opened up about online.
But you know, you get one life, and I hate
to regret anything at eighty like I should have said this,
(35:04):
should have did this, should have this person should have
because they can see is sexy as hell.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Yeah, and that good sex.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yet you're a manifesting because I am having sex. It's
been three years.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Oh so you're se Yeah, so you're celeb good.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, well, actually I did have a I shouldn't have said.
I didn't want to lie. Well it was almost three years. Okay,
well no it was three years. It was it could
have been longer, but yeah, no, I'm not a liar.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
That's my.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
You. I don't want my mom to know how it
was just a little moment, So.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
I want you no more questions.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Actually it was all right.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
She said, you want to ask you no more questions.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Okay, so what because when people say that they've been
celibate for like three years, five years, I'm like, how
do you not run into like instances of just like
the feeling of like wanting to masterby at all?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Oh no, I do that every night.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Yeah, but I thought, but because there are certain levels
of celibacy, Like I know, people can never sell it
to the point where they're not even trying to do.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
No. I could never go that long without doing that,
and I feel like my whole down there would completely change,
like it would completely collapsed, like if I didn't make
sure she was good.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
So what was the running you had that almost like
messed it all up or kind of sets you back?
You said, Oh, I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Think it set me back. I feel like I needed
to get that energy off me. I feel like I
was really becoming decrepit a bit, and like and just
I just was too. I just felt in my energy,
my energy was exuding prudeness and honestly, there's nothing wrong
with that, and I feel like celibacy is a beautiful thing,
(36:59):
but me personally, I just needed a nice restart of
And so yeah, now we're back.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
So yeah, what's the clock at Now, what.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Do you mean in general?
Speaker 7 (37:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Now, listen, you're what would you call yourself?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
R and B soul, R and B soul, neil soul.
I like to play with alternative sounds under the moon.
This record I have, I'm howling like I love it.
I love things like that. So I like to get
in the pop space one day, but I wanted to
feel authentic. I love all kinds of music. I love Zed,
(37:51):
I love Red Hot Chili Pepper, System of a Downlady
on the album Yeah Company is everything, and he's my
one and only features.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
So I wonder when it comes to these labels, right
for somebody like you who's a sofa R and B artist,
you don't necessarily fit the pop or hip hop marketing machines.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I wonder does anybody know what to do with it?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I think they're doing the best that like they can,
and I think they're they're doing pretty well. I think
I just gotta do this. I gotta be in the streets.
I gotta talk to people. I gotta sing my ass
off and like make people understand, like you know, I'm
good at this, and come see my tour, you know,
come to my tour, Come listen to the album. I
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think there's a lot of work I have to do.
I do.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I agree with you, because every time we've had conversations,
you know, on this air, I'm like, yo, she's such
a nice person, like she got such a personality, right,
but if you just see what you do online, you
think all she does is complain, Like we.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Can't even watch Martin without her complaining.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Please watch Martin. Yes, I can't break, I know. And
it meant the world to me because he was so
gentle in his response, and oh I I didn't expect that.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
I actually when I responded to she did she did.
Speaker 7 (39:23):
Response?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I did cry? Yeah, yeah, because you know, he didn't
have to respond so beautifully the way that he did,
and I didn't feel it was invalidating, you know what
I'm saying. But he was also you know, true to
himself and I respect that completely as a big fan
of him. It meant the world to me because he's
a legendary comedian. He could have dragged me to hell.
(39:44):
So along with the world set exactly, it was heartbreaking.
It was a heavy time for me because I felt
like I isolated myself from every black person in the world. So,
like I was ruminating heavy, but luckily the album like
pulled me out of the dumps and therapy and things
of that nature.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah oh yeah, is confident enough to understand Martin?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Oh yeah, I'm sure she she loves it. Yeah yeah,
do you have a black therapist who? Yeahst she's lovely, beautiful,
beautiful natural hair. She's great. Yeah, yeah, she's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I think what you just said, though, is important for
people to hear, because so you get online, you say it,
people talk about it, to discuss it, they make their jokes,
they move on. But for you, you said it actually
took you to like a really dark space. Oh yeah,
because we think that you because afterward you came back on,
you readdressed it. You you know, you stood tend toes
down on. This is how I felt. So for me,
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I thought she said what she said, she moved on.
But in real life, it doesn't stick like that with you.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Right right, it doesn't. Yeah? Yeah, like, yeah, like I said,
it was, it was just really heavy. But you know,
I think it helped kind of just accepting that everyone
is going to have their own opinions about it, and
it's okay that I have mine.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
And yeah, absolutely, what boundaries that you set for yourself
this era that the younger are Lenox didn't have.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I think this year, this era, I just don't want
to respond anymore. I just want to really be intentional
when I'm on the internet about being sexy and also
like just promoting my album and just promoting like what
I stand for in relation to like my personal experiences
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growing up and my music.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
You know, let's stay there for a walk.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
In social media, like you've been talking about, been a
complicated relationship for you over there.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, do you feel artists today have to sacrifice peace
of mind just to stay visible, just to promote this stuff?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, all, it's all in the game. Yeah, this is
the game. This is what we signed up for. So
it is what it is. But we want people to
buy our tickets, we want people to buy our albums.
So it is what it is. And it's just realizing
the power that we hold as artists and you know,
people will. We have to just understand that with everything
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we say and do, like we could spark, we could
light a fire if we're not careful. So yeah, it's
a lot of things I've been learning. I'm trying to
just you know, not talk too much because I didn't
know it would be such a big deal me saying
what I said I had. I had no idea, But
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you know now I do you know, I you know,
you would have thought I came out as a MAGA
supporter or you know, yeah, yeah girl. I was just like, damn,
I didn't know it would be so intense, but you know,
now I know, And it's just like it's just best
for me to just.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
The conversation you were trying to have is a conversation
that can be had. I just don't know if it
like everybody doesn't agree with it being applied to Martin, right,
But the conversation about like dark skin, light skin, it's
a conversation we have. And I think that I hope
that you feel on social media too, that there's a
whole movement of black women that we played new Apartment
every time we move we soft girl era, Like do
you feel that too as well?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I feel the love and support and I felt supported
in that. But I think I have this issue where
in general, sometimes it's easier to focus on the negative
and like how loud it is and just certain things
people said. It's just like damn. Like, well, I know,
I'm not lame, like I just had. I just I
spoke from a space of being a little girl and
(43:40):
like consuming you know the show the way I consumed it.
But there's so many beautiful memories around Martin, you know,
watching it with my grandmother, Like she'd be pissed honestly
along with everyone else about Like what I said, but
that was.
Speaker 7 (43:56):
Your experience, yeah, like you know, yeah, but look experiences.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
How is it Performing in South Africa at the Jazz
Festival last year?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
It was amazing.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
It was connection with the people.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
It was fantastic. You like, yeah, I was afraid to
go because that was my first time and that was
a long flight. That's a long flight. Well that and
I was beefing with some people from South Africa on Twitter.
I did, but once I got there, I started a
(44:34):
lot of ship but not intentionally, I swear. But but yeah,
so girls, it is really we do love I mean,
I mean, well, but I really thought it was gonna
be beef. Came there, everyone was nice, people were beautiful,
sweet jamming. They really had my back. I love them.
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So it was a dream of South Africa. I can't
wait to go back.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Yes, did you do an interview while you were there?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
No, I don't remember, because.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
That was a part of you saying like you weren't
going to do any interviews when you went at one
point a good yeah, you was like, I'm not going back,
I'm not doing interviews.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I'm not this.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I would do an interview. I have no this is great,
but yeah, yeah, I don't think I did an interview,
but I would do an interview. I'm not afraid anything.
It was a joke.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
But you know, it's interesting a lot of this was
just fueled by alcohol. You could just say he was drunk,
no raging alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Back then, I was raging, chilling in it.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
What does it mean to put the whole in high school?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Oh? I mean.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Girls ahead.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
You know, it's just like, why did you play with me?
Why did you let me down? I thought you were
so wonderful and I gave my heart to you and
you just obliterated it. Yeah, all of their signs. There
was a scorpio. The scorpio wasn't even a relationship. It
was just one day. He was just a waste of time.
(46:13):
And uh, the tours we talked about Oh fuck nothing.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, yep, you broke a window before flatten the time before,
no never, never, no, no, we have to think about it.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What did you do?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh? I won't tell you what I did that that
wasn't towards of me and a family member had a
beef along time, but it wasn't bleach. But it was
something I could not say, no, no, nothing, you guys something.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Never in my life have I wished a woman's exes
could sing. I wish them could sing. I wish they
could make their own songs. I need to hear the
other side.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I need to hear the other side of them. Yes,
I need to hear what they I need to hear
what they would say about you.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I probably do too. I probably do too. It would
probably help me a lot understand why they were so trifling,
you know. Yeah no, But honestly, it'd be cool to
get some pointers like okay, fine, Like maybe y'all could
work on this. You know, but I already know, I
already know.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
I cannot wait to attend this tour. Girl Alam one
of them stops. Thank you, you appreciate hear you sing
and just see your show.
Speaker 7 (47:25):
I love you so much.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
I love you too, sure you too.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Just my last question if you had to explain I
guess your career in like three different chapters. Right, you
got Dreamville Ari. I don't know if I would say
frustrated Ari, that can come and go. But now vacancy,
But now vacancy. Right, which version of yourself feels the
most honest?
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Oh wow, I think vacancy. I'm just literally unapologetic, like
this is who I am. Also in the same breath,
it's just like, just let me remind people, like I'm
not playing. I'm a soulful artist. I'm R and B artist.
I know how to write music. I know how the
same music. I'm good at this, And let's just get
back to the music you know, like I and I'll
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keep it there. I'll try my best to keep it
there for the world, for the sake of black cultures.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Culture.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
The most interesting thing that we're gonna witness about you
is how you get better with time, Like I can
see it, like your music is gonna get better with time,
plus just you as a person, like your levels of
I don't give a fuck are going to get better
as you get older, Like you're gonna be that rich auntie,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Who may decide to get married. May not just tart
to get married. May get married once or twice, get
the boy.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
But you're going, oh my god, sixteen freaky husband is
going to have a beautiful freaky wife and we are
going to be together.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Drop four.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
The woman her age. Yes, cows, cows and lamas and
camels and kangarooly.
Speaker 7 (49:20):
Really yes, the whole farm like with and black at
the same time.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
Mexican man, thank you writing like yes, I love today,
like six three, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Are you being trifling?
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Both of them?
Speaker 7 (49:38):
Trifling?
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I'm so happy about you.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
So everything you say that you like, I resonate with that,
like the farm to pick up truck, all that, like, yeah,
husband came all it.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, I know that's what I want. Just a nice,
peaceful man, beautiful animals. I would love that.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I can't wait to see forty four year old. Are
thank you?
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Not with a Mexican man, you have a black I
would love a Mexican man or Mexican and black black man.
I mean, but I'm down for it all. I think
Bad Bunny is very handsome. I know he's Puerto Rican.
He's Puerto Rican, but you know, no, not a butt.
But I love Puerto Ricans. Well, I just people very attractive.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
You enjoy the Super Bowls, what you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I did enjoy you met him. Honestly, I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Why the d N by no reason loved it.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 7 (50:39):
You know, wait for get it.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
I would love this.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
You're going back, You're going out back.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
We could talk all day, I promise.
Speaker 6 (50:58):
The whole time. You bought that for support I did.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
I think it was. It's hard for me to do
both at the Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
Saying, you're going back out on tour too, right, you
just announced the tour so way different experience because that
was the thing too, with the whole rod wave situation.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
I'm glad we're going to get to see you in
all of your elegance the right way.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
I have to be accountable. I did this to myself.
I and I needed the money. I wanted the money. Uh,
and I'm grateful for that money. I just didn't know
I would be shaking like a stripper every night in fear.
But it was, and it builds, it builds integrity, and
I do believe that made me stronger again. And also
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I feel like I learned a lot about the industry.
These people are not my friends. Stop going into business
situations and expecting acquaintances to be my friend and family
and treat me the way family and friends treat me.
So there it was just a beautiful lesson to learn,
and I really do appreciate Rod Way for giving me
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that opportunity, And now I know stay away from raps,
like opening up for them and in general dating them,
like just don't do it.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You could be on the stage with the right rappers like.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, Foggy Rod J Cole, Yeah, I love Foggy Rod.
He's from the d m VS, from Pg's incredible rapper.
We have a beautiful song out called Stay a While.
And yeah, I mean I would still do stuff with
rappers if it was a space where you know what
would have helped me and Rod if we had a
record together. I think his fans would have been more
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receptive to me. But since they didn't know me, they
were like, who is this old hold this old bitch
on stage trying to be happy as hell? We want
to be said, making me happy, bitch, and so yeah,
that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
Young, Like.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Can we get a song off the app what you
want to have vacancy right now, I dont want to
hear you.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Please soft girl, errorless morning, thank you. What else you
want to do, I'll say cool down. It's like a
warm hug. It's not about sex. It's about love, and
we're manifesting true love in my life. The only feature, well,
he just really came through for me. I did submit
the album to a few different rappers, but they didn't
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have time.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Well okay, well thank you for.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
I promise.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Just thing you gotta think with rappers. It's like, no,
I'm not gonna date rappers. I'm not going on tour
with them.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
No, no, no, no no. It's not for them, girl,
not all the time.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
It's the breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Good morning, every day.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Up the Breakfast Club. Finished for y'all. Done,
Every day, pick up the breakfast Club. I'm finish for
y'all morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is the j Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne de goud
We are the breakfast Club La La Roses here as well,
and we got a special guest in the buildings, Ladies
and gentlemen, Ari Lennox, welcome back already.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How you feeling feel a good? How's your energy this morning? Good?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Amazing?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah and Holly favored?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yes, yes, yes, me too.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes. Vacancy is out right now, that's right.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Vacancy can mean a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It can mean emptiness, yep. It can mean opportunity.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
What exactly became vacant in your life that allowed this
version of Ari Lennox exists and create this project.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think it's just the repetitiveness of my dating life. Yeah.
The album encompasses avoid that needs to be filled and
that can be romantic, it can be platonic. It can mean,
you know, in a business way, it's just a metaphor
or whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To you, you know, is platonic. We got let's forget it.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Biopic biopics. I think, depending on how you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Can be having us saying the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is it supposed to be? Yes? And you're the person,
all right, camera, that's lovely.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
So on this project, you go in and out of
your space, whether it's your heart, your physical space, and
maya energy being vacant then being occupied then not.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
It's all over place. But it's a good journey.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
But so where are you in real life after this
album in the dating world?
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Like what like?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, I'm just alone, but.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It is.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is thirty four years of like romantic loneliness. But
it's cool. No, it's all right. I'm doing great. I'd
rather be by myself than in anything toxic or unhealthy.
So it is what it is, you know, I'm okay,
turn it up.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Though, I to turn up, which is my teen You
to own house Cats, you said you'd be wanting.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
To and right here, I have this hot water.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I don't know if you have no damn t in
the club that night.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
But when you saw me years ago, years ago, No,
I was like what two years ago?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Last year?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Last year?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh yeah, I had my hookah I stopped. I had
to stop though, Yeah, I made a pack of the man.
It's okay, I mean last year I wasn't singing, but
this year, I am. So we got a tour coming up,
you know, the Vacancy tour starts April twelfth, So yeah,
I want to be vocally prepared for it. So no
more hookah for me.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But so, but you're still on your sobriety journey right
drinking want but you said you made a pack with
the man.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
That's what made you stop? Yes, what happened to that
made you said?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
He was horrible, he was trifling, he had a secret girlfriend,
or he had a girlfriend. I guess I was the
secret and I had no idea and I haven't spoke
to him since once he told me.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So you don't like you never liked the Escape song
You're my little Secret.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You couldn't be.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I do love that song. I love Escape, So yeah,
I could not be a secret. No, but I do
love that song. They was singing, Somebody want to keep
You a Secret. I think it just speaks to the
state of dating out here. It's just incredibly depressing. I
feel like for everybody. You know, so it is what
it is?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Are there songs on this project about him? I know
that you've been working on this for some time from him?
Hell no, okay, because under the moon talks about somebody
that's a big could be a big toxic.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, that was someone else. Oh that was one of
my exes. And I don't even know if he counts
as an ex It was like a month long relationship.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
It counts, so it counts really well, well, it depends
all right, Now, do you feel that you had a connection.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Oh, my God Jesus, like, thank yoush space, thank you
in your hair.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Don't look confused, confused, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
You know that that depends, right, Did you have a
strong connection with him?
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Do you feel like you loved him? Because the month
can you A month can be short to some people,
but that could mean a long time.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
It's not about the time, it's about how you connected
with him, how he made you feel.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah. No, I don't feel like I loved him. I
don't think it was because I think in order to
love someone, you have to accept them for all that
they are, and I feel like we did not accept
each other for our truest selves, and for that reason,
I don't believe it was love at all. Probably just infatuation,
which I said it is just that repetitive theme. I
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think there were a lot of secure energies that entered
my life that I wasn't ready for, And now they're
getting married, all these secure people that I like, I
didn't under I didn't recognize that safety like in them then,
I think, because there's so much chaos inside of me.
But I'm working through it. I have my therapist, and
I'm a lot more aware of it now, those red
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flags and things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Do you love fast? Do you like trust fast? When
it comes to dating?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I do, I do, But I don't think it's love.
I think it's like trauma or something I think, or
a kink, some type of like love kink. I think
I have that because I'll be quick to be like,
oh yeah, I love you, but it's like we're fucking,
so it's like, like, of course I do right now.
It's nice. The sex is really nice. And sometimes that
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can be just a little misleading, a little confusing. The
emotions are high, and I think just in general, my
emotions run extremely high, so I tend to romanticize and
exaggerate things.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Why can't you just love sexual?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
If somebody flips you and fold you and put you.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
A song, I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Why can't you just love the physical act, Like why
does it have to be anything else?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, you're right, I can love it, but I think
a part of sex for me is a very passionate thing,
and it's just ironic because a lot of the times
it isn't or it hasn't been in my past, very
passionate and like, yeah, I think, yeah, all my relationships
were kind of just surfaced for real. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Do you want to be in love? Clearly? Right?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I do? I Do you think you've ever been? No? No,
I thought so, but no, I don't think I have
now that I know what it means to be because
it's a choice every day. I don't think I ever
made that choice every day in those relationships.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You're in therapy, right, And I go to therapy a
lot as well, and your therapist will all often tell
you that your first, last, and best love is self love,
Like you can't love anybody else, Yeah, until you truly
love yourself?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Do you think that part of the reason.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Absolutely. My therapist is amazing. She has me doing these
exercises every morning where I have to look at myself
in the mirror and that's like so hard, Like I'm
speaking to myself and I like who am I, and
so it's been helpful, but it's definitely been an exercise
that I avoid. I think it's just it's it's hard,
(07:25):
honestly to face myself. But I'm getting closer, and it's
amazing how long therapy has happened. She's been telling me
that I need to read this book called The Courage
to Trust, and I've been avoiding it, and it's just
I know I could be so much farther in my journey.
It's funny that I'm just prolonging healing in that way.
(07:45):
But yeah, one day I'll read it. One day I'll
be able to breeze through that mirror exercise. But yeah,
So those are ways that I'm like practicing self love,
slowly facing myself and learning who I am?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is it the trust issues?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is it the trust issues because you are a celebrity?
You are, so it's understanding why somebody's coming into your space?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is it because they really like me?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Is it they love the idea of what's going on
around me? Is it because I am a celebrity? Is
that a big trust issue when it comes to you?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh? Yeah, how do you.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Go through that?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I have every right to have trust issues in that regard.
I think men think I'm this barbie, like they see
me online sometimes and I look like this or something,
and they think that's how I am all the time,
when really I have a pickup truck, I got two
big dogs. I'm in the middle of nowhere on the
water in the woods. It's a little creepy to people,
(08:38):
but I love it, you know. And I take my
trash to the landfill. All these kind of things that
I don't think a man would ever expected me. I
have multiple properties and things of that nature. I do
not do that.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I do have a lawnmower, but no one will teach
me how to use it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So there is a I have a company finally that
does it for me. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Do you feel like you learned?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Like you learned, you learned something new about yourself and
every relationship.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That you Yes, yes, my last one definitely taught me
to figure out what the hell is going on inside
of me. Like I realized, oh, okay, I have an
anxious attachment style, and then I realized, oh, I'm also avoidant,
Like this is this has been this battle that I've
been facing, and I think until like heal that more,
(09:31):
I don't think I'll be able to dig deeper in
a relationship. I think that's always going to be that block. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, that's so interesting because when I listen to your music,
I hear a self awareness, right I do you know
what I mean at least or at least that you're
comfortable with what it is that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know what I mean, and who you're doing it with.
That's where I get from it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yes, but what you mean, like, and so you think
that means you're confused about me having trust issues? Are
you saying?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Because I feel like you got to trust yourself enough
to even.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
To be able to even move like that.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well the music that you make, that's easy.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
The music that you make is like it resonates with
women like navigating self worth and growth and love. So
it is kind of hard to here you sit here
and say like the opposite. No, like it's hard for
you to find love or you know something like that,
or just everything that you feel, like you said is
inside of you. I don't feel that in your music.
(10:30):
Oh wow, like, oh you got it all together? This
girl is? You make me want to go telling niggas
fuck you, you know, because you know your worth. You
know what you want and you know what you will
stand for and what you want in a relationship.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
That's what I get from your music.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's why that's me too. I know my worth and
when it's time to go, I'm definitely you know, I
block and you know, delete that thread and cut people off.
But but yeah, I mean yeah, I'm doing all right.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, And your press release for a Vacancy, one of
the lines I wrote down was our new album, Vacancy
signals a sophisticated new chapter defined by creative autonomy, confidence
and growth.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And I feel like Shaye butter Baby was that.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I felt like, like all of the projects are that
you so and this process took you three It was
three years, but for many years.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, And I didn't feel like it was done. So
I'm sure I stressed out the label, my management shout
out to Jaha and Justin, I know I stressed them out,
but I knew the album wasn't done. And thank god
everyone dragged me for like my singles, it kind of
encouraged me to let me get back to the studio,
(11:39):
make some more soul music, make some more pop leaning music,
and just yeah, and then I knew I was. I
felt relief. I knew it was time. Okay, it's done,
and I'm really proud.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It's a good it's a great album, and it does
feel like it feels like a reset, you know, musically
and personally.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, So did leaving dream Bill create that you?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Were you already evolving and just needed space to show it?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Let me see? No, I feel like I've That's the
beauty about Dreamville. They've always created that atmosphere of just
like follow your heart, do what you want to do,
and and so it was it's always been beautiful, like
I've always had that creative freedom. And then Innerscope is
really amazing with supporting me and that too, like they've
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never pushed me to do anything that I didn't want
to do. Same thing with Dreamville. So it's always been
like beautiful, really healthy.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You know that seems like you and have a great relationship.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, he's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
How did you and JD hook up? And how did
that expand to where it is now?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh? Between Justin and the labels, they put together a
session and we created pressure and we've just been cool
ever since. He's lovely, He's an amazing marketing giant. You know,
he'd be in the streets shouting every body out. Everybody
he works with. He's just lovely and he's really easy
(13:05):
to work with in the studio. He's not pushy or
anything like that. He's just incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So yeah, how did he stretch your artistry?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Stretch it? How does he stretch it? I mean, it's
just I mean, he just encourages me to talk about
all kinds of different things. He's playing all types of
different beats. Let me tell you something. When we get
in the studio, if you play me a sexy beat,
I'm a fucking beat freaky as hell on that beat,
you know what I'm saying. But if you play he's
(13:34):
something that makes me want to fight, I'm gonna talk
some angry ship, you know. So it really does just
depend on the vibe. So yeah, have you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Ever got confusing to fight?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
WHOA? Never? Not yet?
Speaker 7 (13:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Did you know it's time to leave Dreamville when this is.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No? Because I feel like every time I kind of
have arguments with people, it seems like the beginning of
the end. And I don't really think I say the
worst things. I just think I don't know the balloon
pop so it must be some type of surfaced energy.
Maybe I'm just not opening up enough to where they
really think I'm somebody else and then they find out, oh,
she's a human or like you know what I'm saying,
(14:29):
and it's just they don't like that human. So I
don't know. I would like to get in a relationship
where like, okay, not we're yelling and screaming, but like
we had a disagreement and that's okay, and now we're
kissing and everything's fine.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Do you cross that line, because it seems like you
said you cross that line. Do you cross that line
where it's like, you know there's a line in the
argument where you know you don't need to go right,
you know it is gonna hurt somebody's feelings. Do you
cross that line in that argument?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No, I don't think all the time. I don't think
that now all the time. I think it's just me
needing time to snap out of it, or maybe an
energy that's a lot more understanding and like I don't know,
wanting to you know what helps me, Like when someone's
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just like I don't want to fight, and I'll also
like express that too, like I don't want to fight
and that disarms me a bit, and I feel like
that can disarm both.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
People, are right.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, you only got to say that to
people who you know like to fight.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
No, Yes, you only say because you know, if you
know the person well enough, you're like, look, I don't
want to fight. You already know what's gonna set the more.
You only say that to people who you know like
to fight.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
No, that was the first time me and this person
had an argument. And I wonder if I said it
or he said it first. I don't know, but I mean,
we never had an argument until that moment, and we
just literally got along. But I guess we were just
minting our words so much, and maybe that's why I
blew up the way that it did.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
But you're a communicator, You write songs, you actually communicate
for a living, so I'm sure you can communicate in
the country.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I do. I do. When things get really spicy,
like if we're yelling, I know it's time. It's time
for it to be over. I think yelling is like toxic.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
What's the biggest thing that you guys would argue over?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Oh, this was just what happened. He didn't like it.
When I would say no, he was okay, I had
been working out, Okay, let me explain. Yeah, I'm sorry,
let me continue. So I was in the gym all
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day and I was tired, and then I asked him.
I said, hey, can you like stretch with me, like
let's stretch or whatever? And he was like sure, and
then he started doing all of these like things a
dance stretching routine that I was tired. So I kind
of just stopped and sat down, and he was pissed.
And so then we went to chappol l and we
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were eating and he just was giving me the silent treatment,
and he was holding his chips so tight and no,
I don't remember, but he was holding his ship so
tight and he usually shares his chips. So I'm just like,
who are you going. I feel like we weren't aligned,
and that's all, like I think everyone's different. Then he
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put his hands out to prey and I just was like,
you know what if I don't want to pray? It
was awkward. Okay, this was a build up for me
because he never asked me if I was comfortable. And
(17:43):
I know this may sound bad, but praying in public
with the hands at Chipotle.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The first time we got in a circle.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And I don't mind that, It's just it was just
atch in North Hollywood.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
After Chips, his dog, his vibe that he was giving
you before you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
I think if he if y'all was good and he
ain't do all that balat and didn't want to do
all that, and y'all had a great stretch.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You didn't ask me how we should stretch. He didn't
want to reach stretch. She didn't want to. He asked
me to scratch.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
I came to But if she was having that like.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
A praise dad God, I love God.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I just think if you if he was, if he
was giving off a better vibe and she right and
feel comfortable, like you want to pray, but your little
vibe a little off. So I'm gonna pray to myself.
I don't want to pray with you right now.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That could have been the.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Chips or was it the praying that bothered you the most?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
No, it was just all of it combined. And then
as we were walking I'm not an atheist all like,
I thank God, but yeah, so I think after that
We're walking home and I'm like you know what, you
don't like being told no, And that was the beginning
of the end. I think we both blacked out a bit.
(19:12):
You remember the conversation, I know, that's all I remember.
I just know we were just going back and forth,
and I eventually said, this is not gonna work, which
is a terrible thing like to say in a relationship.
I think I don't. It's something I heard my dad
saying all the time growing up, and I really feel
like I've adopted that so like when things are like
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really rough, this is not gonna work, or like just
kind of fall back a bit. So I think those
things can be hurtful to a partner. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
When your dad was saying it, was it just about
things in life in general? Was it a relationship with
your mom? Or like what was your dad saying in reference.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
To just everything, any type of argument he would have
with anyone, any type of conflict, or he was pissed
at his kids for doing this or that. It was
this isn't gonna work. And I just feel like I
definitely do that, like, you know, as a response, as
a defense mechanism. I think, because yeah, things aren't things
don't have to be that extreme. You know every time,
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but I'm sure that was really hurtful to him, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And where that power if you keep seeing something not
gonna work?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
And you are an Aries right now, very spicy, like
you said, Bee.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Spicy.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
So do you sign?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I'm an Aquarius wonderful and Aquarius cole that's right.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh my god, I don't.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
I don't know that. I don't a lot to keep
things on, even kill you know. I got that from
The Departed.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That was a movie.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I love that movie, movies like that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, I was gonna what is going on?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Do you think somebody's zodiac sign plays the part in
whether or not you'll date them?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, I will state I will still date anybody, and
it doesn't have anything to do with their sign. But
I have noticed patterns with certain signs, like Pisces. I
feel like men, at least when it comes to me.
I don't believe we are very compatible. I think they
are literally this a slippery fish that you can never catch,
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very aloof energy, bottom of the bottom up.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Chip.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
No, he was, well, I ain't gonna tell you who
he was, and't gonna put it wasn't Oh he was.
He was a Pisces. Yes, secret family. I feel like
there are secrets. There are a lot of secrets that
Pisces men have, and I I think they're very at
least with me and in my experience, surface energies. So
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there's something in me. I think they think I'm something else,
and when they realize, oh there's something deeper here, I'm out.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Are these men like celebrities or they're like like what
are they?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Uh no, no one really knows them.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
No, okay, yeah, do you purposely date like out of
the industry?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Honestly, I would, Oh, well, I would love to date
someone that's well known, but I would like to date
someone that's not in the industry, like a scientist or
a historian. I think could be really nice because I
like history. I like science and things of that nature.
So I want somebody that I can completely just kind
(22:44):
of silence my music world. I don't want to talk
about music all day unless it's old school stuff like
that's fun, you know, but like the studio stuff and
like songs, and like, I couldn't date a songwriter. I
think I would get really exhausted. I have gotten exhausted.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
What they want he always wanted you to hear lyrics,
yes or.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Exactly or songs and I just write for you right exactly,
you know, I just I just want something completely opposite, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I was gonna ask before, you know, when did you
know it was time to leave dream Field. We've heard
you complained for years and how you wanted to be
independent and what you wanted to do on yourself. When
did you know it was the right time?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I think, you know, it's just a feeling. I think
after when my song Smoke dropped, it just felt like
we weren't aligned. And it's not their fault. I don't
know what happened. I think perhaps they didn't know, like
the date of it or something. And I think as
it dropped, it was just I could feel like there
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was no marketing behind it and I and I mean,
you were right.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I vocally said that I never felt like they supported you.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh I do feel like they supported me overall, Like
I don't believe that I would have gotten this far
without them. J Cole was the greatest co sign I
could have ever had. As a neo soul artist, people
sleep on our genre so incredibly so he changed my
life and introduced me to people that probably might not
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have received me the same if they heard me outside
of you know, his camp. So the marketing overall, like
ow is incredible, But honestly, I think they were in
the middle of a deal separating Dreamville from Interscope, and
I think that's what I was feeling at the time,
and that's why they were unable to really hone in
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on what's going on. I think over the years also
I have to take accountability with a lot of just
my little things on the internet, with just speaking up
about different things, I think probably created some tension for sure. No,
not even the label, just like just the little things
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like a Martin fan, and they didn't like No, not
I I don't even think so.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Around the time that smoke dropped, you Will posted online
that you were exhausted by Dreamville, that you were tired
of people treating you like you were to face of
mental health. You're okay, you're happy, but they're not. They're
not marketing you well, they're not protecting you. You wish
labels knew how.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
To do that. I felt that way about Interscope too.
It wasn't just all Dreamville and Interscope has really they've
really shown me a lot of love and support and
things of that nature. And I think it just was
a really emotional time for me, and I I think
I was I regretted. Honestly, I feel like I should
(25:37):
have never taken it to the internet Internet. But like
you know, I do want to apologize to j Cole.
I've been I sent him a message on Instagram, I
sent him a voice note. I'm a little afraid to
give them a call, but I do apologize. Yeah, yeah,
I love that. None of those got well you know,
(25:58):
well they don't deserve apology. But it was never cold.
Cole was never the issue. I think it just was
literally like a marketing thing in it.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
But it is what it is, see for me, and
I'm sure you know so you're right.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
So I guess just on the outside looking and you're like, well, damn, Cole,
why don't you stand next to you, next to somebody
like that more.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Often regarding because that can help him marketing a lot.
He This man.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Flew all the way to London for me. I was performing.
I mean it was beautiful time, sold out two nights.
I forgot the venue, but it was beautiful and it
was massive. This man surprised me as I'm performing Shade
butter Baby, and I cried like a baby. I sounded
like a walrus. I could not get the words out
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because I was so shocked. Like that's how loving and
selfless he is, so cold himself, like I will always
care and respect him because London across the pond for little.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Old me is like, what you know, he just liked
to ride bikes and stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Oh my god, No.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Was called like, how did you call him and tell
him you wanted to be released? Do you remember that call?
Did you speak to him directly?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I sadly, with my avoidant nature, I sent him a
voice note about it, and it's sad I should have
called him. Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Did he respond?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I was. I wasn't ready to face like my own
my own ways. I wasn't ready to be accountable for myself.
And then I don't believe. I was just scared about
Like there's a lot of things that I wish I
just talked to him about before taking it to the internet.
So I really feel like those things created that tension.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Did you respond? Did he respond to?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
He did respond? He did respond. Come on, But that's
why that's why I apologize.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
If you want to share with it.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
When he responded with that, he said, because he's normally
very like warm and comforting when he talks about you.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, he said he wished I called him.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So yeah, when you.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Look back now, it was the frustration about marketing, creative control,
and just feeling misunderstood.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
As an artist.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
There's things I didn't understand about, like how you're supposed
to move in a in a label.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I didn't know. Yeah, what's the question again? Sorry, I
got my ADHD.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I don't forgot to.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Marketing.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Was it marketing being.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Artist?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Was it creative control or being miss Oh? I just
know I feel like they understood me. I think they
understood me well. I think uh, like I said, I
think there was a lot of things going on at
that time where they couldn't focus on the artists at
that specific time. But they did all them other years before,
but at that specific time, I think they were parting
ways with Innerscope, So like I got lost in like
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that and I didn't know that until after, and then
it's just like damn, I wouldn't have said anything like yeah,
but it's also not my business, like they are a business,
and I should have known that and respected that you
know as an artist, like, this is a business and
I'm learning that.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And I don't think stood.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't think Cole ever stood next to any of
his artists. He always played the background.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
No, he stood next to us with our features and
on stage and putting us on. We opened up for him.
All them collaborations we've done together, Boss has done together.
Oh yeah, them Dreamville albums. Yeah, he stood next to us.
He didn't have to.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
What's one thing that because I think when people talk
about you Dreamville, J Cole, it's always this stuff. What's
one thing that you wish people would talk more about
when they talk about you Dreamville.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And J co Oh wow, I don't know just just
how sweet he is, how selfless he is. I remember
before for Your Eyes Only dropped, he was driving around.
He was like, let's listen to my album, y'all, and
like we got in the car and me Jake, he's
been driving one of a big old well, I don't
(30:23):
know if I shot I should tell you his car.
It wasn't a Honda, not that there's anything, but it
was a big old truck. Yeah. Yeah. Listening to his
music and I that was a very special thing to
do like I for me to be able to get
the first listen in the car with him an elite
(30:46):
and I believe someone else was there. Sorry to that person,
I don't remember, but it was beautiful. It was beautiful.
It's just things like that, and then beautiful conversations he
would have with me about like just me feeling down
or financial intelligence. He really instilled in me and wanted
to prepare me for and thank god he did. I
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made certain decisions, like with investing in properties and because
I'll spend some money, like I'll spend some money, so
that helped. Those homes that I invested in are kind
of like a savings account for me. And I feel
like he put me on a certain thing.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So what's the hardest part of closing that chapter?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Hardest part is just just wishing things didn't in the
way that they did. I know I didn't help, but
it was funny because it was all kind of vending anyway.
I just wish I knew that, but you know, I
have to be accountable, So I think that's the hardest part. Yeah,
(31:52):
just knowing that I you know, I was unprofessional and
really emotional.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, how did that experience change the way you view
the music.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Industry, Well, honestly, my experience has been relatively good.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I'm really lucky. There's a lot of labels that would
have dropped me. There's a lot of labels that could
have assaulted me, all kinds of things. Dreamville was really
a protective energy. They I remember there was one time
I got drunk as hell in Australia and I was
dancing and I was making out with this guy. It
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was terrible on the dance floor and I went home.
I went to the hotel and this man was I
guess he was tagging along or he was trying to
get My friend said he was just like trying to
get into my room, and said was like absolutely not
like all And I was so drunk it could have
(32:53):
been bad. And yeah, there were times where, you know,
outside of Dreamville, where like things happened where I wasn't
very coherent because of liquor, and so yeah, and that moment,
it's just like, I really appreciate having my brothers there
to stop this man from who knows what.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
You know, So you have been so blessed when it
comes to that. I heard another story you told about
when you were in an airport yeah, and you it's
kind of the same thing.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Like anybody could have did anything. You're blacked out from drinking.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Anybody I was drunk. I was always drunk in the airport,
especially when before the flight. Yeah, okay, before the flight
to get through the flight. I've just always been terrified
of flying. And it's that's the amazing aspect of sobriety
is that I can actually heal and like face these
(33:43):
issues because I'm not prolonging it or you know, with
numbing myself. So that's been great, Like, now flying is
a lot easier.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
Well, good, Yeah, what do you think you were trying
to run from? Like what do you think? Why were
you drinking so much?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
What was oh?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Everything? Really it was the flying that really spearheaded like everything.
It was just the fear of dying, a horrific death
from the guy.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
How anxiety works. I don't want to call it any
irrational fears.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Whatever fear you have is multiplied times one hundred, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And so yeah, I just wanted to numb that. I
didn't want to be screaming on the plane and embarrassing myself.
But now like I know what the plane sounds like
when I'm taking off. I know, I'm starting to like
how it feels. It's still I feel like a rocket
going into space, but you know, it's it's gotten easier.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Do you feel like an artist personality is just as
important as their talent?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Ah? I do, and I feel like it can be
damaging if you're too honest, too open, too opinionated. Yeah,
there are things I wish I never opened up about online.
But you know, you get one life, and I hate
to regret anything at eighty like I should have said this,
(35:04):
should have did this, should have this person should have
because they can see is sexy as hell.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Yeah, and that good sex.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yet you're a manifesting because I am having sex. It's
been three years.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Oh so you're se Yeah, so you're celeb good.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, well, actually I did have a I shouldn't have said.
I didn't want to lie. Well it was almost three years. Okay,
well no it was three years. It was it could
have been longer, but yeah, no, I'm not a liar.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
That's my.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
You. I don't want my mom to know how it
was just a little moment, So.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
I want you no more questions.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Actually it was all right.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
She said, you want to ask you no more questions.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Okay, so what because when people say that they've been
celibate for like three years, five years, I'm like, how
do you not run into like instances of just like
the feeling of like wanting to masterby at all?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Oh no, I do that every night.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Yeah, but I thought, but because there are certain levels
of celibacy, Like I know, people can never sell it
to the point where they're not even trying to do.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
No. I could never go that long without doing that,
and I feel like my whole down there would completely change,
like it would completely collapsed, like if I didn't make
sure she was good.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
So what was the running you had that almost like
messed it all up or kind of sets you back?
You said, Oh, I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Think it set me back. I feel like I needed
to get that energy off me. I feel like I
was really becoming decrepit a bit, and like and just
I just was too. I just felt in my energy,
my energy was exuding prudeness and honestly, there's nothing wrong
with that, and I feel like celibacy is a beautiful thing,
(36:59):
but me personally, I just needed a nice restart of
And so yeah, now we're back.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
So yeah, what's the clock at Now, what.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Do you mean in general?
Speaker 7 (37:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Now, listen, you're what would you call yourself?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
R and B soul, R and B soul, neil soul.
I like to play with alternative sounds under the moon.
This record I have, I'm howling like I love it.
I love things like that. So I like to get
in the pop space one day, but I wanted to
feel authentic. I love all kinds of music. I love Zed,
(37:51):
I love Red Hot Chili Pepper, System of a Downlady
on the album Yeah Company is everything, and he's my
one and only features.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
So I wonder when it comes to these labels, right
for somebody like you who's a sofa R and B artist,
you don't necessarily fit the pop or hip hop marketing machines.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I wonder does anybody know what to do with it?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I think they're doing the best that like they can,
and I think they're they're doing pretty well. I think
I just gotta do this. I gotta be in the streets.
I gotta talk to people. I gotta sing my ass
off and like make people understand, like you know, I'm
good at this, and come see my tour, you know,
come to my tour, Come listen to the album. I
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think there's a lot of work I have to do.
I do.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I agree with you, because every time we've had conversations,
you know, on this air, I'm like, yo, she's such
a nice person, like she got such a personality, right,
but if you just see what you do online, you
think all she does is complain, Like we.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Can't even watch Martin without her complaining.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Please watch Martin. Yes, I can't break, I know. And
it meant the world to me because he was so
gentle in his response, and oh I I didn't expect that.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
I actually when I responded to she did she did.
Speaker 7 (39:23):
Response?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I did cry? Yeah, yeah, because you know, he didn't
have to respond so beautifully the way that he did,
and I didn't feel it was invalidating, you know what
I'm saying. But he was also you know, true to
himself and I respect that completely as a big fan
of him. It meant the world to me because he's
a legendary comedian. He could have dragged me to hell.
(39:44):
So along with the world set exactly, it was heartbreaking.
It was a heavy time for me because I felt
like I isolated myself from every black person in the world. So,
like I was ruminating heavy, but luckily the album like
pulled me out of the dumps and therapy and things
of that nature.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah oh yeah, is confident enough to understand Martin?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Oh yeah, I'm sure she she loves it. Yeah yeah,
do you have a black therapist who? Yeahst she's lovely, beautiful,
beautiful natural hair. She's great. Yeah, yeah, she's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I think what you just said, though, is important for
people to hear, because so you get online, you say it,
people talk about it, to discuss it, they make their jokes,
they move on. But for you, you said it actually
took you to like a really dark space. Oh yeah,
because we think that you because afterward you came back on,
you readdressed it. You you know, you stood tend toes
down on. This is how I felt. So for me,
(40:43):
I thought she said what she said, she moved on.
But in real life, it doesn't stick like that with you.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Right right, it doesn't. Yeah? Yeah, like, yeah, like I said,
it was, it was just really heavy. But you know,
I think it helped kind of just accepting that everyone
is going to have their own opinions about it, and
it's okay that I have mine.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
And yeah, absolutely, what boundaries that you set for yourself
this era that the younger are Lenox didn't have.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I think this year, this era, I just don't want
to respond anymore. I just want to really be intentional
when I'm on the internet about being sexy and also
like just promoting my album and just promoting like what
I stand for in relation to like my personal experiences
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growing up and my music.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
You know, let's stay there for a walk.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
In social media, like you've been talking about, been a
complicated relationship for you over there.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, do you feel artists today have to sacrifice peace
of mind just to stay visible, just to promote this stuff?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, all, it's all in the game. Yeah, this is
the game. This is what we signed up for. So
it is what it is. But we want people to
buy our tickets, we want people to buy our albums.
So it is what it is. And it's just realizing
the power that we hold as artists and you know,
people will. We have to just understand that with everything
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we say and do, like we could spark, we could
light a fire if we're not careful. So yeah, it's
a lot of things I've been learning. I'm trying to
just you know, not talk too much because I didn't
know it would be such a big deal me saying
what I said I had. I had no idea, But
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you know now I do you know, I you know,
you would have thought I came out as a MAGA
supporter or you know, yeah, yeah girl. I was just like, damn,
I didn't know it would be so intense, but you know,
now I know, And it's just like it's just best
for me to just.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
The conversation you were trying to have is a conversation
that can be had. I just don't know if it
like everybody doesn't agree with it being applied to Martin, right,
But the conversation about like dark skin, light skin, it's
a conversation we have. And I think that I hope
that you feel on social media too, that there's a
whole movement of black women that we played new Apartment
every time we move we soft girl era, Like do
you feel that too as well?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I feel the love and support and I felt supported
in that. But I think I have this issue where
in general, sometimes it's easier to focus on the negative
and like how loud it is and just certain things
people said. It's just like damn. Like, well, I know,
I'm not lame, like I just had. I just I
spoke from a space of being a little girl and
(43:40):
like consuming you know the show the way I consumed it.
But there's so many beautiful memories around Martin, you know,
watching it with my grandmother, Like she'd be pissed honestly
along with everyone else about Like what I said, but
that was.
Speaker 7 (43:56):
Your experience, yeah, like you know, yeah, but look experiences.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
How is it Performing in South Africa at the Jazz
Festival last year?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
It was amazing.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
It was connection with the people.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
It was fantastic. You like, yeah, I was afraid to
go because that was my first time and that was
a long flight. That's a long flight. Well that and
I was beefing with some people from South Africa on Twitter.
I did, but once I got there, I started a
(44:34):
lot of ship but not intentionally, I swear. But but yeah,
so girls, it is really we do love I mean,
I mean, well, but I really thought it was gonna
be beef. Came there, everyone was nice, people were beautiful,
sweet jamming. They really had my back. I love them.
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So it was a dream of South Africa. I can't
wait to go back.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Yes, did you do an interview while you were there?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
No, I don't remember, because.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
That was a part of you saying like you weren't
going to do any interviews when you went at one
point a good yeah, you was like, I'm not going back,
I'm not doing interviews.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I'm not this.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I would do an interview. I have no this is great,
but yeah, yeah, I don't think I did an interview,
but I would do an interview. I'm not afraid anything.
It was a joke.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
But you know, it's interesting a lot of this was
just fueled by alcohol. You could just say he was drunk,
no raging alcoholic.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Back then, I was raging, chilling in it.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
What does it mean to put the whole in high school?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Oh? I mean.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Girls ahead.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
You know, it's just like, why did you play with me?
Why did you let me down? I thought you were
so wonderful and I gave my heart to you and
you just obliterated it. Yeah, all of their signs. There
was a scorpio. The scorpio wasn't even a relationship. It
was just one day. He was just a waste of time.
(46:13):
And uh, the tours we talked about Oh fuck nothing.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, yep, you broke a window before flatten the time before,
no never, never, no, no, we have to think about it.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What did you do?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh? I won't tell you what I did that that
wasn't towards of me and a family member had a
beef along time, but it wasn't bleach. But it was
something I could not say, no, no, nothing, you guys something.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Never in my life have I wished a woman's exes
could sing. I wish them could sing. I wish they
could make their own songs. I need to hear the
other side.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I need to hear the other side of them. Yes,
I need to hear what they I need to hear
what they would say about you.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I probably do too. I probably do too. It would
probably help me a lot understand why they were so trifling,
you know. Yeah no, But honestly, it'd be cool to
get some pointers like okay, fine, Like maybe y'all could
work on this. You know, but I already know, I
already know.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
I cannot wait to attend this tour. Girl Alam one
of them stops. Thank you, you appreciate hear you sing
and just see your show.
Speaker 7 (47:25):
I love you so much.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
I love you too, sure you too.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Just my last question if you had to explain I
guess your career in like three different chapters. Right, you
got Dreamville Ari. I don't know if I would say
frustrated Ari, that can come and go. But now vacancy,
But now vacancy. Right, which version of yourself feels the
most honest?
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Oh wow, I think vacancy. I'm just literally unapologetic, like
this is who I am. Also in the same breath,
it's just like, just let me remind people, like I'm
not playing. I'm a soulful artist. I'm R and B artist.
I know how to write music. I know how the
same music. I'm good at this, And let's just get
back to the music you know, like I and I'll
(48:10):
keep it there. I'll try my best to keep it
there for the world, for the sake of black cultures.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Culture.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
The most interesting thing that we're gonna witness about you
is how you get better with time, Like I can
see it, like your music is gonna get better with time,
plus just you as a person, like your levels of
I don't give a fuck are going to get better
as you get older, Like you're gonna be that rich auntie,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Who may decide to get married. May not just tart
to get married. May get married once or twice, get
the boy.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
But you're going, oh my god, sixteen freaky husband is
going to have a beautiful freaky wife and we are
going to be together.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Drop four.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
The woman her age. Yes, cows, cows and lamas and
camels and kangarooly.
Speaker 7 (49:20):
Really yes, the whole farm like with and black at
the same time.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
Mexican man, thank you writing like yes, I love today,
like six three, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Are you being trifling?
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Both of them?
Speaker 7 (49:38):
Trifling?
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I'm so happy about you.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
So everything you say that you like, I resonate with that,
like the farm to pick up truck, all that, like, yeah,
husband came all it.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, I know that's what I want. Just a nice,
peaceful man, beautiful animals. I would love that.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I can't wait to see forty four year old. Are
thank you?
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Not with a Mexican man, you have a black I
would love a Mexican man or Mexican and black black man.
I mean, but I'm down for it all. I think
Bad Bunny is very handsome. I know he's Puerto Rican.
He's Puerto Rican, but you know, no, not a butt.
But I love Puerto Ricans. Well, I just people very attractive.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
You enjoy the Super Bowls, what you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I did enjoy you met him. Honestly, I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Why the d N by no reason loved it.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 7 (50:39):
You know, wait for get it.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
I would love this.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
You're going back, You're going out back.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
We could talk all day, I promise.
Speaker 6 (50:58):
The whole time. You bought that for support I did.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
I think it was. It's hard for me to do
both at the Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
Saying, you're going back out on tour too, right, you
just announced the tour so way different experience because that
was the thing too, with the whole rod wave situation.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
I'm glad we're going to get to see you in
all of your elegance the right way.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
I have to be accountable. I did this to myself.
I and I needed the money. I wanted the money. Uh,
and I'm grateful for that money. I just didn't know
I would be shaking like a stripper every night in fear.
But it was, and it builds, it builds integrity, and
I do believe that made me stronger again. And also
(51:44):
I feel like I learned a lot about the industry.
These people are not my friends. Stop going into business
situations and expecting acquaintances to be my friend and family
and treat me the way family and friends treat me.
So there it was just a beautiful lesson to learn,
and I really do appreciate Rod Way for giving me
(52:04):
that opportunity, And now I know stay away from raps,
like opening up for them and in general dating them,
like just don't do it.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You could be on the stage with the right rappers like.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, Foggy Rod J Cole, Yeah, I love Foggy Rod.
He's from the d m VS, from Pg's incredible rapper.
We have a beautiful song out called Stay a While.
And yeah, I mean I would still do stuff with
rappers if it was a space where you know what
would have helped me and Rod if we had a
record together. I think his fans would have been more
(52:41):
receptive to me. But since they didn't know me, they
were like, who is this old hold this old bitch
on stage trying to be happy as hell? We want
to be said, making me happy, bitch, and so yeah,
that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (53:00):
Young, Like.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Can we get a song off the app what you
want to have vacancy right now, I dont want to
hear you.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Please soft girl, errorless morning, thank you. What else you
want to do, I'll say cool down. It's like a
warm hug. It's not about sex. It's about love, and
we're manifesting true love in my life. The only feature, well,
he just really came through for me. I did submit
the album to a few different rappers, but they didn't
(53:27):
have time.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Well okay, well thank you for.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
I promise.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Just thing you gotta think with rappers. It's like, no,
I'm not gonna date rappers. I'm not going on tour
with them.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
No, no, no, no no. It's not for them, girl,
not all the time.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
It's the breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Good morning, every day.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Up the Breakfast Club. Finished for y'all. Done,
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