July 6, 2026 • 32 mins
Music industry powerhouse Deb Antney sits down with Loren LoRosa for one of her most personal interviews yet. Deb addresses Da Brat's claims that Deb's House was inspired by an idea they developed together, explaining her side of the story and why the accusations have been so painful.
She also revisits her complicated history with Gucci Mane, responds to long-standing allegations that she mishandled his career or finances, and discusses the lawsuit that was ultimately dismissed. Plus, Deb opens up about her relationship with Nicki Minaj, the backlash surrounding politics in hip-hop, why she believes her legacy has been misunderstood, and why she's finally telling her story through Deb's Boss.
From artist development to industry politics, Deb Antney shares her perspective on the moments that have defined her career—and why she's determined to set the record straight.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Jewish.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm a homegrow that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You know, if you don't lie about that, right, Lauren
came in.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey, y'all, it's Lauren Rosa. This is the Latest with
Lauren Rosa. This is you daily did on all things
pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations that
shake the room. Baby and joining me today. I have
a boss, a mother, a visionary. Miss deb Antony is
here on the Latest with Lauren Rosa. Thank you for
joining me. How you feeling today?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Excellent? I'm feeling really really, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So this is our first time actually getting a chance
to me. I've reached out to you prior on different
stories and things like that, but we've never met before. So,
you know, thank you for coming on the platform.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And it's my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know, I don't have a problem doing something with you, Lauren,
Like especially right now, I can't think of anybody else
that I sit down with to even do this interview.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, I appreciate that that means a lot from you.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I really know you don't I've done my own
homework and I have a lot of people that really
hold you in high regards and that idea means a
lot to be. They mean a lot to be even
though we're actually getting ready to get on with something
that hurts me from a person that I so love, Like,
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm confused. So let's get this party started.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm down to get right to it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, let's get a started. Let's let's talk about it
a bit. So you and the Brat, there was a
clip that went viral with Rat talking about a boot
camp style show that you guys had pitched or were
pitching to a few networks, or we're going to begin
to pitch a few networks very similar and according to
the Brad to what you know, Dev's house is already
(01:46):
and in the clip, she's accusing you of basically taking
the remainder of the idea that you guys came up
with together and doing it on your own.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
What is happening.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know where this came from.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We did do on Rowing Up pip Hop, Okay, we
did have something there that we wanted to do, which
was a boot camp show, and we actually filmed a
part to see the reaction of the people and what
would happen.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
But the network denied us. Now, the boot camp.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That me and Debrat was talking about, it was going
to be a real.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Camp, like a real boot camp, like we had went.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And scouted out the housing where the boot camps is
going to be, where they was going to be marching,
like all the whole boot camp style thing.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We did do that.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
When you say it was gonna be a real boot camp,
because people will argue, well, Depth's House is like a
boot camp, because those.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Death houses build a boot camp.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Let me let me just explain that to you. Let
me just send it to you. Death's House was you
against you?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You verse you.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Death House is a show for a lot of years,
and that's how this all began.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Even as talking about it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, one of my biggest problems I do know
how to keep my mouth shut, Like I want to
invite everybody into when I have an idea, I want
to invite everybody in. And this whole thing I talked
to the Bratt about. Now, this is my life period.
This is something that I like doing. I love building artists.
That's something that I loved doing. I love the Brett
(03:17):
Because me and the Brad was just so close.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We was going through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't kind of want to be there to talk
about both of our personals at that time and things
that we were going through. We were being hit with
stuff that we need to make some more money. Let's
come up, and I said, I came up with the camp,
the book camp. At that time, it wasn't called Dev's
House because it wasn't about that this one here there
was no woman versus another woman, but there also was
(03:43):
a thing. And I don't want to get so confused
up and bottled up in this stuff that as I
think about it, because mindra, this was some years ago,
impossible for Brett to not know that I was doing
Dev's House because the Bratt was supposed to come on
to be a judge. That fact, you can get the network,
call them do whatever. She was supposed to be the
(04:03):
judge of that show. But with her doing the Breton
Judy Show, and as I started reading my emails, I
remember and when Brett didn't even really want to do
that show, that was me going at them because they
were trying to be dirty, to get them to really
do the show, to be dirty, so at that time
they could go after Judy and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was a lot of stuff that was going on.
I don't really know Judy show.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I don't really want to discuss a lot of that
stuff either, but it was a lot of rumors that
was going on during that time, and the producers at
that time were messy, okay, and I remember going in
and going off on them. If you do something to her,
you heard her, you make her look bad? D Hi,
she know how all of that went down. Well, she
never got to come on to my show Death's House
(04:46):
to be a guest. She knew all about the show.
I called her as far as I'm saying, she seen
me and she and I said hoy to her, and
she just did whatever and not want to talk.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I don't remember that, but I do remembers I thought
that Bratt was still mad at me because I never
attended her wedding. I had COVID. I had COVID, and
I never came to the wedding. But I was at
the baby shower.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I had text up. She's not lying. I did text
and say I'm missed, but she never did hit me back.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And I didn't understand this in a million years, Lauren,
I could be the dumbest person on earth. But this
is not Brett's doing, okay, and it was something that
was cahersed. You could tell why all these years later,
this is second season, I'm about to do a third
season and you're just now coming up with I stole
(05:40):
the show.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Why now, let's even go back.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
You called Brett that you brought him into this, which
you wrong because it wasn't Brett. Brett had nothing to
do with this at that time. There was other people
that was in the network that was no longer there
because the whole big issue about the black and white
thing of we TV.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Everybody knows that.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, he had nothing to do with this, But you
made a phone call to him. Why would you not
have said, oh, Death's about to call you. Let me
get down on the phone right now. In Corp, you
have my numbers. My numbers didn't change. I have all
of the same numbers. Okay, they didn't change. I'm so
(06:20):
tired of people using this thing of stealing as an
excuse every time, and that's because how don't defend me.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I never come in and defend myself. When a person
says something even last week before.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Her I guess he got the idea from Jacob York
saying I sold Gucci Man from him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, so now.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It's Deaths up for I mean, I gotta Telly.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Award for my reality shows. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
There was no fighting, no drugs. This was women versusing themselves.
I wanted to show women how you destroyed your own
life and stop blaming people.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It's my life. It's what I go through in this game.
That's what I'm want. Was the thief.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
They're always saying, that's the famous lines that everybody say,
it's the thief.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I ain't stolen nothing from nobody. I only give careers.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I give you an opportunity to come out of the poverty,
to come out of everything it is that you go through.
I give those ideas to people. I give hope to
the hopeless period. So for how to say that I
stole the show, he's wrong. They denied that show. That
show was denied years ago, So why now come up.
When I came up with Death's House, I let Brad
(07:36):
know I didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Just do that to that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know how bad this is piercing me?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
This hurts you called you were pitching Dev's House. I'm sorry, honey,
I said, you said you let her know, so you
mean you called the bra.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I told her about Dev's house.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I told her, she said to me, because I said,
I want to take it back to the essence of
the beginning. Okay, and this is when at that time
where people could come in all made up. He was
really really training artists. Is development you was getting. So
it's like they came to that bear like maybe a
sweatshirt and all that. She said, Oh, ain't nobody gonna
(08:17):
do that. Nobody's gonna do that. So we kind of
got into it a little bit on the argument of
that on Growing Up Hip Hoop. If people remember, there
was a disagreement that we had on the album thing.
But I didn't want to do no music with the
artists that I were on there except bow Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I can't think of who else.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I can't think our name for oh my gosh, it's
gonna kill me from Grandmom, but I always forget her
name Diamond.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Diamond. Yeah, she would do something maybe.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
With her like she had got on there, but she
didn't want to do no music with the rest of
them because they wasn't her standards. Well, that was a
difference with me because the music if I did it
with an artist, I would want that artist to do
something with another artist that was something really big for
me to show give back. That's a big problem that
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we have as women. We don't know how to give back,
you undersaid. We all we know how to do is fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. No,
but each one teach one and that's the whole gimmick
to the whole thing. But we couldn't do that. So
guess what, I am not willing to risk my relationship. Well,
I wasn't willing to risk my relationship by doing something
(09:32):
with her and we fall out because of that disagreement.
That really bothered me too. Okay, not saying that it
had to go my way because it was both of us. Like,
we did come up with some stuff, but that was
the bookcamp that was totally different.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It had nothing to do with what I did. And
I promised you this.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
This was done when each woman and you could ask,
you could interview every one of them. I didn't do
a book camp site thing. I put them against them them.
But every fighting that came on the show thought we
were loving hip hop.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Thought we was the baddies.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They want you fight, you fight, you off drugs you off,
and of these things you have to get off. But
each one had to love each other. I don't make
women go up against each other. They ain't never been
my thing.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Never.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What about the like the clarifying of the timeline, right,
because when I watched it and like she's showing like
the when I watched the episode and she's in the
rats showing the pitch deck and all the different things,
and she says the same thing you said, like it
was not totally my idea. We brought ideas together and
it was gonna be something we did together. It seems
like at the time where you decided to say, okay,
(10:40):
the network dropped this, when when was that?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Like what year?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
What months? Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That was like twenty two?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And then you pitched Deb so that gets any by
the network. You pitch Deb's House and they pick it up.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
What year was your first season?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Picked up? First season? Okay?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You have to remember when you talk about it is
a whole year that go by.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So I think it was like twenty one twenty two.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Then I did Depth House the first one, dag, I
don't even remember what's is twenty sixth Let me look
see when I did the first one four twenty four, twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Four got you okay, because what did it? What the
way that the way that she like mentions it by
starting out with, okay, we had this idea together, and
then depths House came about.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
What it sounds like is.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Even deth House didn't come about like that.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Okay, but about you get what I'm saying though, Like
the timeline I think is what she's pointing to, and
she's saying that if there was an idea, even if
loosely close to what you did, she felt like whatever
came after that should have been both of you guys included,
because of the joint ideas that you had.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But Lurosa, listen, Lauren, I'll promise you on everything I love.
Brad knew about death House. I promised you on everything
I love. We have the same network. How would she
not know I'm doing deps House?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
How was she did not know? We talked?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Okay, she was supposed to have been a judge on there,
but she was doing the bretton Judy Show. One thing
about Brett Brett, I mean she got on this nation.
Why should it bring us to this nation?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Why does she not bring us to this nation. Why
does she not bring me on there? Why does she
not bring me on her show and say that she
had to say to me right then and there? Why
does she not call me on the phone. I've even
called her still.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Now after.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'm sorry you called her after this clipment r Yeah, once.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I woke up that when the people been calling me
like crazy, because everybody know how much I love to.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Brett, they know how much she respect I have for her.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
People don't believe this, and it it's like I don't
want to hear the stuff that what they got to say.
And because you got a personal feeling against somebody else,
you understand.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What I'm saying is like why I called to take you? Why?
Why would you do this?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Why would you lye on me with this because y'all
on Facebook now? Is it because you need clicks? Is
it because you need something to talk about?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Why would you do that to me?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
You know I would have rock with you or whatever
you could have told me, Jath, I need you for this,
I'd have did it. Yes, you're a brad. I'm not
gonna take anything away from the excellent artist.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Love her, but.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I really do this.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
She didn't come up to this. I came up with
I've been had this idea. I did a show a
long time ago that she came off for me with
bone crusher her or left. That's how the little girl
the kids came not a kids at your mansa free
but I have take that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Have those kids on what I did?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Because the adults did better than the kids. I said, damn,
I said, do the kids. It's setting their adults because
the kids did better than their adults. Next thing I
knew that sail came on.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Did I come on this say you stole my show?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
No? I did not. I came up with an idea
of I kick what's that that show in New Orleans.
I was supposed to do it at a club in Atlanta.
That show case.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did I say, y'all stole my show?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
We was ready to move with that until that show
came about the show in New Orleans. I ain't saying
that everybody comes up with something. If that's the case,
then the book Cares from all the other shows was taken.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Then all those things was taken away.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Everybody comes up with something, But for a very long time,
I have a lot of.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
People that could vouch for that.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I have stuff for a long time that I put
together that I've been wanting to do a show with women,
to teach women from the beginning how you tere your
life of you destroy yourself as an artist, and how
to focus the longevity in this the dudes and the don'ts,
the stuff that don't go on today. It is the
things that I've been wanting to do with the artists.
(14:58):
I don't want to tell them what to do. I
don't wrap, I don't sing, but I know how to
get that money. We're not how to put those things together.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
When you when you so when the Bratt knew, right,
so you guys have this idea, it doesn't work out,
the network says no. You then go put your own
idea at the same time you're pitching knees and you
said that that Bratton knew that. What was the conversation
y'all had when you told her, Hey, I'm doing Deb's
house over here, here's what the idea is like.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
What was that conversation like then?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Because it's Lauren, I don't want to sit up here
and lie and say that I remember the full conversation,
but there was blessings and she because she was going
to be on the show. She was going to be
on the show, and the network even knew that, but
she was doing the Breton Judy Show. And mind you,
at that time, Brett really didn't want her life out
(15:49):
there like that, so she was so focused on that,
and there was the wedding stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It was a lot of stuff that was going on left.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I hope she don't get amnesia about the many things
that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
But I can't shit, because that, to me, is personal.
That was the conversation between us.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Okay, regardless of what's going on now, I'll take every hit,
I'll take whatever, but those.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Conversations that we had.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Don't do this to me now to say that I
ran away and took something that we had.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
When I could bring a bunch of people that.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Know from twenty fourteen twenty thirteen start calling me about
this show that I pitched Billieve, I still could tell
you it's a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I've been wanting to do this, damn it.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
John could tell you I've been wanting to do something
like this.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
This is nothing new for me. That was why I
went in.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The way I went in for Nikki because It was
a big thing for.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Me with women. I wanted to have nothing but a
bunch of women that I could train. And that's just real.
I'm not gonna take nothing from her. I'm not gonna ever.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I would never disrespect Bratt like this. This will I
tell you, Will, I tell you, Lauren.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
This hurts me so bad.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
This hurts me so bad that it's like if she
did this when I knew the playgrounds that I'm playing on,
and I knew that some of the people that I
once would love will turn into my phone that I'm
gonna go through this. This is spiritual stuff that goes on. Okay,
never did I see this from her. Her mother's a
(17:21):
beautiful person, you know what I'm saying. Her sister just
played my mom like. I got so much respect for her.
It's pathetic. But for her to do this to say
I stole a show from her that I came up with,
mind you. Of course she put her say so with
effort because she didn't like the way I was doing it.
But the brother's an artist. I'm not an artist. I
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don't think the same way she thinks. We don't think
alike with some of that stuff. And it is just
as simple as that. I promise I didn't take nothing
from her.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So she's watching this right now. I know you said
you reached out to her, she didn't pick up the phone.
But if she's watching this, what were you gonna say
to her on the phone? What's your message to her?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Okay, why Brat?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Why did you not call me? Why did you not
have a conversation with me? And that whole thing was stripted?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I mean TV. I could tell my show too, was
not scripted. What you've seen was what you got.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It was real, real time, no second takes at anybody
else on there. There was not one second take that
was on either one of those shows. And I got
People's Award the way I did it. The other show
would have been fighting. There would have been a whole
bunch of chaos because everybody was.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So into love and hip hop. That ain't my thing.
That's not it don't.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I don't want to be that person, and I don't
want to keep being everybody's teeth either. I'm tired of
being like they come up with and come up with
something else.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
When you say being everybody's TV, you talking about the
whole you take in or still in conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, it's like this stealing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
The other thing is stealing the artist, stealing the the
now I stole show.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Now you know.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The week before it was Jacob Yorky's to I don't
even know that man to him to say he gave
me a job.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
He ain't give me no job. I ain't never worked
for you. I don't even know you.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Because your relationship with with Gucci. Man to remind people
who might not have you know, known him from the beginning,
talk about like, actually, how that happened, because I know
that that's what they're talking about, what the artists did
with the you know Jacob york.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Okay, so what he what he didn't lie about is
Vicky did come to me about Gucci getting community service.
I worked with children, okay, and at that time I
was doing lots of childers. I worked for the Department
Family Trooper Services, working with Ludacris. Right that's before the
Lucris Foundation even came up, and we were starting to
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put that stuff together for the foundation. And Vicky came
to me and she said, Dad, she needed Gucci to
show up for some kids because he needed community service.
But after that he wouldn't appalled me six o'clock in
the morning. You wanna go to breakfast, you wanna do this?
He was talking and we was coming up with like
(20:06):
a lot of ideas. Now he was gonna leave Bigcat,
and as far as I knew, Jacob York was Big
Cat's consulted But Big Cat got thirty five thousand for
Gucci because they were trying to take Gucci. The network
was gonna just I'm knocking network. I'm sorry, the label
was just gonna take.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Gucci and he was gonna go and Kat got.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thirty five thousand. Ain't no Jimmy Henchman did nothing. I
don't know where he got that from. Teddy is my
niece's father, So you know that's how that came about.
For me to even get to Jimmy Henchman all the
rest of that stuff, I don't even know. I don't
even know Jacob Yorick. Honestly, I promise you I don't
know him.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That man. Ain't never hired me for no job, to
be no product.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Man. I've never worked for anybody. Every one of these
people I did on my own. I ain't never had
no help.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I never had an investor, I never had nobody help me.
I never had any of it and stuff all those
artists I did on my own, on my own.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Don so the stories that people keep saying, you know, okay,
I took millions of took me. You never made millions
of dollars in this industry, and you never was signed
to Gucci.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Man he was signing me.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Gucci didn't want him signed. He told down and don't
sign him.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Wasn't there a lawsuit back in twenty thirteen before Gucci
got locked up that time with that Gucci had filed
with you, saying and he was saying that too, that
there was money taking.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I don't have it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Listen, people came up with that story that said that
there was money that was taking.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
When me and Gucci.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Separated, Lauren, we separated with accountants.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Gucci said to me, Auntie, if I go into the rehab,
would you help me have my own company? He said,
I want people to respect like they'd be respecting you.
I said, you gotta stay clean. When he did his
ninety and ninety, I never forgive me and my brothers
inside the air he got his chip and I hugged
(22:11):
him and I said, you're ready and that's when until
seventeen was built. Okay, that's when it was built. I
didn't take Sweetheart. I never had to take nothing from him.
Anything I've ever wanted that he had. If he had it,
I could get it. He would do anything for me
at that time. Why he would run out and tell
(22:32):
that lie, I don't know, but he told me. He said, Auntie,
I want to find a strong woman like you. And
I remember when Kisser used to come to different things
that we did. We did a childhood event. He curssed
that girl off so bad, and I cussed him out
to make her respect him, but not because I knew
they was gonna be together.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He was actually with.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Somebody else at that time, but she was trying to
get with him. I know lots of stuff as far
as that of how she's trying to get in there to.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Get with him.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
When that book was written and they said this stuff,
I never read the book, but I've never heard him
say anything himself. But other people said, how did you
come in to say that she was doing something to me?
If there's a lawsuit that he found against me that
I stole from him, let people find it and find
where I stole from him at.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I've never seen the documents, but I know that there
was a TMZ story back in like that's what that's
what I'm referencing.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I know, I understand that, but I've never got no laws,
suit papers. People. Okay, they needed me. I was a threat.
I don't want to seem like no.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You know one thing, That's why I never wanted to
do I'm don't want to be let no damsel in distress.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Gee, Okay, because I can handle this ship. Trust me.
I can handle.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
It that you can hear.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Like they needed me out the way, and I'll have
a problem saying people's names because at that time, back then,
I did the interview.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's why me and coach Kay didn get along.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Okay, and Todd moster Woods know what he did to
pay get her out the way because they couldn't do
nothing to him that they wanted to do with me there,
but they knew they could flash money because that's one
thing about Gucci is that money. He don't play with it.
Come to that money, right, That's one thing about him.
Get her out the way. Because I had too much influence.
(24:22):
I was like the longest person, the person that you
listened to, the most we.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Were like Bonnie and Cloud. That was my partner.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
If I was a thiefist collecting money from records now
that belonged to both of us. There's things that belong
to both of us. I could have I could have
gotten that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I have to be going after him.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
If it wasn't about money then And you might even
asked this question like thirty doosand times if it wasn't money,
like what what is it disconnection with because it seems
like you know, you were there during the times that
people really wouldn't even ever understood what he needed and
you understood it?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
What is it connection? Because I know you guys still
aren't in communication right?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
No, No, what is it?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
What's the issue? If the money thing didn't happen. There
was a lawsuit filing in twenty thirteen. I don't even
know what even happened with that, but you said you
didn't receive documents whatever. Was never any court proceedings ever anything?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Nothing. I promise you on everything, I love.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
The only proceeding that I had to go to was
a girl trying to suit me for five thousand dollars
for being pregnant by him, and I was the manager.
So I'm the person that handled everything at that time.
Other than that anything against him, it wasn't there. Lauren
(25:42):
put me in the room with everyone. I can stand
before anybody. I aint never took nothing from him, never, never,
I ain't never done nothing but love on him.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
When nobody else wanted to be bothered, I was there.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And that's the thing that gives me that how well
people forget the position that all these people were in.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
But I entered a lot of rooms.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
That he sold, a lot of that I got set
up to go into and not knowing what I'm going
into ms my life for these people, like every one
of them, I went through something with And that's just real,
like literally risk my life. How could you take from
people that didn't have anything?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
All of them that I've gotten didn't have nothing and
lived with me. So what did I take?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
What did I I'm trying to that, what did I
take from you?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Your loved the under fields. I loved on them like
it was my own. It's hurt.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I can't tell you a disconnect when you don't have
love for your own mother.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
And this is.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Something that I need to take heath to even with
each one of them, when you disrespect your own parents,
your own mother, and do the things that you do.
Then who are who am I? I still I still
be with his son to this day, the first son
that he had, still have a relationship with him, Still
(27:11):
have a relationship with his family.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
All in Alabama.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
All of them loved me.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Everybody too. We still have relationships.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I still have loved I don't never want to see
anything happen to any of them.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But why did you listen to people?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It's not them, it's the people that they were around
that did this stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I'm so dirt on her. I watched one of them
call on the phone to what's her name? Huh, that's
all right there? Did I want to I want to
allow Lauren to get a question.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I think we we we? Is there more you need
on the Gucci thing?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Long?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I was just gonna say, I looked it up on
online on Pacer and according to the court record, it
was voluntarily dismissed by Roger Davis, which is Gucci man.
So I was going to ask, do you like when
the dismissal happened? Like how did y'all get there?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Because it's never got a paper.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's what I'm trying to tell you I've never if
you see, I'm never was served.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Why would he voluntarily dismiss it?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Why if I stole from him, why did he voluntarily
dismiss it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think people thought that there was a settlement of
some story at the time.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I promise you, I promise you there wasn't. Why Why
was it voluntarily dismissed?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
If I stole from him?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Why so if there was a lawsuit, I promised Lauren,
I don't have no papers.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I have no papers to that or nothing.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
When did he foul it and when was it dismissed?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So it was filed in November of twenty thirteen, and
it was dismissed in March of Yeah. The notice of
voluntary dismissal was submitted March twelve, twenty fourteen, by after
my birthday, Yeah, by Roger Davis and Michael Armor, who
I believe is yeah, was his representation at the time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Is that the man that died? I wonder that.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I'm not really sure if that's the lawyer that died,
that took everything that I that he came back to
me and I had to go get all his stuff
back again for.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Him, So I don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'm gonna tell you that there was no settlement. I'll
tell you there was no settlement, none.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
None.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I know you probably be tired of the music industry business.
I don't know how you be doing these shows. This
is a lot here, huh.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
One of the things that I was told is the
playground that I'm dealing with. And I understand that, you know,
But I asked myself a lot of times, why do
you keep doing this?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Why do you keep getting into this?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And my son just got on me the other day,
he said, my why you just don't go back to charity,
Like that's what I've seen you at your happiest when
you was doing for women and children and you were
doing things for them.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But some kind of way, I felt I could save
us somewhat.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That's a big problem now, gainst that's the prices in me,
you know what I'm saying, Like I feel like a save.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And another thing is that I love women.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's so big for me, Like I really want us
to stand on what we need to stand on.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like that's really big.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I want that unity with us, super big. Oh my god,
this is so crazy. I feel this is not good
for me. I don't do this. I don't I can't
argue with people. I can't do this internet stuff. You
(31:01):
gotta watch the sound vices. People will take it and
run because the tensions being of people is so low.
But I came in in the era when they didn't
have all of this, and I beat these streets for
these people. I went up against a lot of men,
a lot of men alone alone, to push my way
(31:24):
through to get these people the dreams that they had,
each one of them. They all could recalled some serious situations.
I don't been through the shootouts. I don't been through
it all.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I don't stop. I'd've been through the threats. I'd have
been to the oh, we don't deal with you.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
No more of you deal with this person than you
went from dealing with me to dealing with that person.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
And leaving me alone.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, y'all? And that was part one of my
conversation with deb Anti music industry leader, manager, mother wife.
Known were artists like French Fontana, Gucci Minh and Jumnahs.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Just enhim a few.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We'll be back in our next episode with some more.
But I tell you, guys, every single episode, y'all could
be anywhere with anybody talking about all of these things
and the things, but y'all choose me right here with me,
my Lowridings.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I'll catch you on my next one.
The Jewish.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm a homegrow that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You know, if you don't lie about that, right, Lauren
came in.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey, y'all, it's Lauren Rosa. This is the Latest with
Lauren Rosa. This is you daily did on all things
pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations that
shake the room. Baby and joining me today. I have
a boss, a mother, a visionary. Miss deb Antony is
here on the Latest with Lauren Rosa. Thank you for
joining me. How you feeling today?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Excellent? I'm feeling really really, I'm feeling good.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So this is our first time actually getting a chance
to me. I've reached out to you prior on different
stories and things like that, but we've never met before. So,
you know, thank you for coming on the platform.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And it's my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know, I don't have a problem doing something with you, Lauren,
Like especially right now, I can't think of anybody else
that I sit down with to even do this interview.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, I appreciate that that means a lot from you.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I really know you don't I've done my own
homework and I have a lot of people that really
hold you in high regards and that idea means a
lot to be. They mean a lot to be even
though we're actually getting ready to get on with something
that hurts me from a person that I so love, Like,
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm confused. So let's get this party started.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I'm down to get right to it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, let's get a started. Let's let's talk about it
a bit. So you and the Brat, there was a
clip that went viral with Rat talking about a boot
camp style show that you guys had pitched or were
pitching to a few networks, or we're going to begin
to pitch a few networks very similar and according to
the Brad to what you know, Dev's house is already
(01:46):
and in the clip, she's accusing you of basically taking
the remainder of the idea that you guys came up
with together and doing it on your own.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
What is happening.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know where this came from.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We did do on Rowing Up pip Hop, Okay, we
did have something there that we wanted to do, which
was a boot camp show, and we actually filmed a
part to see the reaction of the people and what
would happen.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
But the network denied us. Now, the boot camp.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That me and Debrat was talking about, it was going
to be a real.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Camp, like a real boot camp, like we had went.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And scouted out the housing where the boot camps is
going to be, where they was going to be marching,
like all the whole boot camp style thing.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We did do that.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
When you say it was gonna be a real boot camp,
because people will argue, well, Depth's House is like a
boot camp, because those.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Death houses build a boot camp.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Let me let me just explain that to you. Let
me just send it to you. Death's House was you
against you?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You verse you.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Death House is a show for a lot of years,
and that's how this all began.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Even as talking about it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, one of my biggest problems I do know
how to keep my mouth shut, Like I want to
invite everybody into when I have an idea, I want
to invite everybody in. And this whole thing I talked
to the Bratt about. Now, this is my life period.
This is something that I like doing. I love building artists.
That's something that I loved doing. I love the Brett
(03:17):
Because me and the Brad was just so close.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
We was going through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't kind of want to be there to talk
about both of our personals at that time and things
that we were going through. We were being hit with
stuff that we need to make some more money. Let's
come up, and I said, I came up with the camp,
the book camp. At that time, it wasn't called Dev's
House because it wasn't about that this one here there
was no woman versus another woman, but there also was
(03:43):
a thing. And I don't want to get so confused
up and bottled up in this stuff that as I
think about it, because mindra, this was some years ago,
impossible for Brett to not know that I was doing
Dev's House because the Bratt was supposed to come on
to be a judge. That fact, you can get the network,
call them do whatever. She was supposed to be the
(04:03):
judge of that show. But with her doing the Breton
Judy Show, and as I started reading my emails, I
remember and when Brett didn't even really want to do
that show, that was me going at them because they
were trying to be dirty, to get them to really
do the show, to be dirty, so at that time
they could go after Judy and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was a lot of stuff that was going on.
I don't really know Judy show.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I don't really want to discuss a lot of that
stuff either, but it was a lot of rumors that
was going on during that time, and the producers at
that time were messy, okay, and I remember going in
and going off on them. If you do something to her,
you heard her, you make her look bad? D Hi,
she know how all of that went down. Well, she
never got to come on to my show Death's House
(04:46):
to be a guest. She knew all about the show.
I called her as far as I'm saying, she seen
me and she and I said hoy to her, and
she just did whatever and not want to talk.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I don't remember that, but I do remembers I thought
that Bratt was still mad at me because I never
attended her wedding. I had COVID. I had COVID, and
I never came to the wedding. But I was at
the baby shower.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I had text up. She's not lying. I did text
and say I'm missed, but she never did hit me back.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And I didn't understand this in a million years, Lauren,
I could be the dumbest person on earth. But this
is not Brett's doing, okay, and it was something that
was cahersed. You could tell why all these years later,
this is second season, I'm about to do a third
season and you're just now coming up with I stole
(05:40):
the show.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Why now, let's even go back.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
You called Brett that you brought him into this, which
you wrong because it wasn't Brett. Brett had nothing to
do with this at that time. There was other people
that was in the network that was no longer there
because the whole big issue about the black and white
thing of we TV.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Everybody knows that.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, he had nothing to do with this, But you
made a phone call to him. Why would you not
have said, oh, Death's about to call you. Let me
get down on the phone right now. In Corp, you
have my numbers. My numbers didn't change. I have all
of the same numbers. Okay, they didn't change. I'm so
(06:20):
tired of people using this thing of stealing as an
excuse every time, and that's because how don't defend me.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I never come in and defend myself. When a person
says something even last week before.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Her I guess he got the idea from Jacob York
saying I sold Gucci Man from him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, so now.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It's Deaths up for I mean, I gotta Telly.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Award for my reality shows. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
There was no fighting, no drugs. This was women versusing themselves.
I wanted to show women how you destroyed your own
life and stop blaming people.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It's my life. It's what I go through in this game.
That's what I'm want. Was the thief.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
They're always saying, that's the famous lines that everybody say,
it's the thief.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I ain't stolen nothing from nobody. I only give careers.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I give you an opportunity to come out of the poverty,
to come out of everything it is that you go through.
I give those ideas to people. I give hope to
the hopeless period. So for how to say that I
stole the show, he's wrong. They denied that show. That
show was denied years ago, So why now come up.
When I came up with Death's House, I let Brad
(07:36):
know I didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Just do that to that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know how bad this is piercing me?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
This hurts you called you were pitching Dev's House. I'm sorry, honey,
I said, you said you let her know, so you
mean you called the bra.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I told her about Dev's house.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I told her, she said to me, because I said,
I want to take it back to the essence of
the beginning. Okay, and this is when at that time
where people could come in all made up. He was
really really training artists. Is development you was getting. So
it's like they came to that bear like maybe a
sweatshirt and all that. She said, Oh, ain't nobody gonna
(08:17):
do that. Nobody's gonna do that. So we kind of
got into it a little bit on the argument of
that on Growing Up Hip Hoop. If people remember, there
was a disagreement that we had on the album thing.
But I didn't want to do no music with the
artists that I were on there except bow Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I can't think of who else.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I can't think our name for oh my gosh, it's
gonna kill me from Grandmom, but I always forget her
name Diamond.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Diamond. Yeah, she would do something maybe.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
With her like she had got on there, but she
didn't want to do no music with the rest of
them because they wasn't her standards. Well, that was a
difference with me because the music if I did it
with an artist, I would want that artist to do
something with another artist that was something really big for
me to show give back. That's a big problem that
(09:09):
we have as women. We don't know how to give back,
you undersaid. We all we know how to do is fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. No,
but each one teach one and that's the whole gimmick
to the whole thing. But we couldn't do that. So
guess what, I am not willing to risk my relationship. Well,
I wasn't willing to risk my relationship by doing something
(09:32):
with her and we fall out because of that disagreement.
That really bothered me too. Okay, not saying that it
had to go my way because it was both of us. Like,
we did come up with some stuff, but that was
the bookcamp that was totally different.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It had nothing to do with what I did. And
I promised you this.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
This was done when each woman and you could ask,
you could interview every one of them. I didn't do
a book camp site thing. I put them against them them.
But every fighting that came on the show thought we
were loving hip hop.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Thought we was the baddies.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They want you fight, you fight, you off drugs you off,
and of these things you have to get off. But
each one had to love each other. I don't make
women go up against each other. They ain't never been
my thing.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Never.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What about the like the clarifying of the timeline, right,
because when I watched it and like she's showing like
the when I watched the episode and she's in the
rats showing the pitch deck and all the different things,
and she says the same thing you said, like it
was not totally my idea. We brought ideas together and
it was gonna be something we did together. It seems
like at the time where you decided to say, okay,
(10:40):
the network dropped this, when when was that?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Like what year?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
What months? Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
That was like twenty two?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And then you pitched Deb so that gets any by
the network. You pitch Deb's House and they pick it up.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
What year was your first season?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Picked up? First season? Okay?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You have to remember when you talk about it is
a whole year that go by.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So I think it was like twenty one twenty two.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Then I did Depth House the first one, dag, I
don't even remember what's is twenty sixth Let me look
see when I did the first one four twenty four, twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Four got you okay, because what did it? What the
way that the way that she like mentions it by
starting out with, okay, we had this idea together, and
then depths House came about.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
What it sounds like is.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Even deth House didn't come about like that.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Okay, but about you get what I'm saying though, Like
the timeline I think is what she's pointing to, and
she's saying that if there was an idea, even if
loosely close to what you did, she felt like whatever
came after that should have been both of you guys included,
because of the joint ideas that you had.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But Lurosa, listen, Lauren, I'll promise you on everything I love.
Brad knew about death House. I promised you on everything
I love. We have the same network. How would she
not know I'm doing deps House?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
How was she did not know? We talked?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Okay, she was supposed to have been a judge on there,
but she was doing the bretton Judy Show. One thing
about Brett Brett, I mean she got on this nation.
Why should it bring us to this nation?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Why does she not bring us to this nation. Why
does she not bring me on there? Why does she
not bring me on her show and say that she
had to say to me right then and there? Why
does she not call me on the phone. I've even
called her still.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Now after.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'm sorry you called her after this clipment r Yeah, once.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I woke up that when the people been calling me
like crazy, because everybody know how much I love to.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Brett, they know how much she respect I have for her.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
People don't believe this, and it it's like I don't
want to hear the stuff that what they got to say.
And because you got a personal feeling against somebody else,
you understand.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What I'm saying is like why I called to take you? Why?
Why would you do this?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Why would you lye on me with this because y'all
on Facebook now? Is it because you need clicks? Is
it because you need something to talk about?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Why would you do that to me?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
You know I would have rock with you or whatever
you could have told me, Jath, I need you for this,
I'd have did it. Yes, you're a brad. I'm not
gonna take anything away from the excellent artist.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Love her, but.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I really do this.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
She didn't come up to this. I came up with
I've been had this idea. I did a show a
long time ago that she came off for me with
bone crusher her or left. That's how the little girl
the kids came not a kids at your mansa free
but I have take that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Have those kids on what I did?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Because the adults did better than the kids. I said, damn,
I said, do the kids. It's setting their adults because
the kids did better than their adults. Next thing I
knew that sail came on.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Did I come on this say you stole my show?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
No? I did not. I came up with an idea
of I kick what's that that show in New Orleans.
I was supposed to do it at a club in Atlanta.
That show case.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did I say, y'all stole my show?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
We was ready to move with that until that show
came about the show in New Orleans. I ain't saying
that everybody comes up with something. If that's the case,
then the book Cares from all the other shows was taken.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Then all those things was taken away.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Everybody comes up with something, But for a very long time,
I have a lot of.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
People that could vouch for that.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I have stuff for a long time that I put
together that I've been wanting to do a show with women,
to teach women from the beginning how you tere your
life of you destroy yourself as an artist, and how
to focus the longevity in this the dudes and the don'ts,
the stuff that don't go on today. It is the
things that I've been wanting to do with the artists.
(14:58):
I don't want to tell them what to do. I
don't wrap, I don't sing, but I know how to
get that money. We're not how to put those things together.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
When you when you so when the Bratt knew, right,
so you guys have this idea, it doesn't work out,
the network says no. You then go put your own
idea at the same time you're pitching knees and you
said that that Bratton knew that. What was the conversation
y'all had when you told her, Hey, I'm doing Deb's
house over here, here's what the idea is like.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
What was that conversation like then?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Because it's Lauren, I don't want to sit up here
and lie and say that I remember the full conversation,
but there was blessings and she because she was going
to be on the show. She was going to be
on the show, and the network even knew that, but
she was doing the Breton Judy Show. And mind you,
at that time, Brett really didn't want her life out
(15:49):
there like that, so she was so focused on that,
and there was the wedding stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
It was a lot of stuff that was going on left.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I hope she don't get amnesia about the many things
that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
But I can't shit, because that, to me, is personal.
That was the conversation between us.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Okay, regardless of what's going on now, I'll take every hit,
I'll take whatever, but those.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Conversations that we had.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Don't do this to me now to say that I
ran away and took something that we had.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
When I could bring a bunch of people that.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Know from twenty fourteen twenty thirteen start calling me about
this show that I pitched Billieve, I still could tell
you it's a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I've been wanting to do this, damn it.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
John could tell you I've been wanting to do something
like this.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
This is nothing new for me. That was why I
went in.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The way I went in for Nikki because It was
a big thing for.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Me with women. I wanted to have nothing but a
bunch of women that I could train. And that's just real.
I'm not gonna take nothing from her. I'm not gonna ever.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I would never disrespect Bratt like this. This will I
tell you, Will, I tell you, Lauren.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
This hurts me so bad.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
This hurts me so bad that it's like if she
did this when I knew the playgrounds that I'm playing on,
and I knew that some of the people that I
once would love will turn into my phone that I'm
gonna go through this. This is spiritual stuff that goes on. Okay,
never did I see this from her. Her mother's a
(17:21):
beautiful person, you know what I'm saying. Her sister just
played my mom like. I got so much respect for her.
It's pathetic. But for her to do this to say
I stole a show from her that I came up with,
mind you. Of course she put her say so with
effort because she didn't like the way I was doing it.
But the brother's an artist. I'm not an artist. I
(17:43):
don't think the same way she thinks. We don't think
alike with some of that stuff. And it is just
as simple as that. I promise I didn't take nothing
from her.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So she's watching this right now. I know you said
you reached out to her, she didn't pick up the phone.
But if she's watching this, what were you gonna say
to her on the phone? What's your message to her?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Okay, why Brat?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Why did you not call me? Why did you not
have a conversation with me? And that whole thing was stripted?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I mean TV. I could tell my show too, was
not scripted. What you've seen was what you got.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It was real, real time, no second takes at anybody
else on there. There was not one second take that
was on either one of those shows. And I got
People's Award the way I did it. The other show
would have been fighting. There would have been a whole
bunch of chaos because everybody was.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So into love and hip hop. That ain't my thing.
That's not it don't.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I don't want to be that person, and I don't
want to keep being everybody's teeth either. I'm tired of
being like they come up with and come up with
something else.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
When you say being everybody's TV, you talking about the
whole you take in or still in conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, it's like this stealing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
The other thing is stealing the artist, stealing the the
now I stole show.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Now you know.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The week before it was Jacob Yorky's to I don't
even know that man to him to say he gave
me a job.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
He ain't give me no job. I ain't never worked
for you. I don't even know you.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Because your relationship with with Gucci. Man to remind people
who might not have you know, known him from the beginning,
talk about like, actually, how that happened, because I know
that that's what they're talking about, what the artists did
with the you know Jacob york.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Okay, so what he what he didn't lie about is
Vicky did come to me about Gucci getting community service.
I worked with children, okay, and at that time I
was doing lots of childers. I worked for the Department
Family Trooper Services, working with Ludacris. Right that's before the
Lucris Foundation even came up, and we were starting to
(19:45):
put that stuff together for the foundation. And Vicky came
to me and she said, Dad, she needed Gucci to
show up for some kids because he needed community service.
But after that he wouldn't appalled me six o'clock in
the morning. You wanna go to breakfast, you wanna do this?
He was talking and we was coming up with like
(20:06):
a lot of ideas. Now he was gonna leave Bigcat,
and as far as I knew, Jacob York was Big
Cat's consulted But Big Cat got thirty five thousand for
Gucci because they were trying to take Gucci. The network
was gonna just I'm knocking network. I'm sorry, the label
was just gonna take.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Gucci and he was gonna go and Kat got.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thirty five thousand. Ain't no Jimmy Henchman did nothing. I
don't know where he got that from. Teddy is my
niece's father, So you know that's how that came about.
For me to even get to Jimmy Henchman all the
rest of that stuff, I don't even know. I don't
even know Jacob Yorick. Honestly, I promise you I don't
know him.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That man. Ain't never hired me for no job, to
be no product.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Man. I've never worked for anybody. Every one of these
people I did on my own. I ain't never had
no help.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I never had an investor, I never had nobody help me.
I never had any of it and stuff all those
artists I did on my own, on my own.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Don so the stories that people keep saying, you know, okay,
I took millions of took me. You never made millions
of dollars in this industry, and you never was signed
to Gucci.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Man he was signing me.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Gucci didn't want him signed. He told down and don't
sign him.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Wasn't there a lawsuit back in twenty thirteen before Gucci
got locked up that time with that Gucci had filed
with you, saying and he was saying that too, that
there was money taking.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I don't have it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Listen, people came up with that story that said that
there was money that was taking.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
When me and Gucci.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Separated, Lauren, we separated with accountants.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Gucci said to me, Auntie, if I go into the rehab,
would you help me have my own company? He said,
I want people to respect like they'd be respecting you.
I said, you gotta stay clean. When he did his
ninety and ninety, I never forgive me and my brothers
inside the air he got his chip and I hugged
(22:11):
him and I said, you're ready and that's when until
seventeen was built. Okay, that's when it was built. I
didn't take Sweetheart. I never had to take nothing from him.
Anything I've ever wanted that he had. If he had it,
I could get it. He would do anything for me
at that time. Why he would run out and tell
(22:32):
that lie, I don't know, but he told me. He said, Auntie,
I want to find a strong woman like you. And
I remember when Kisser used to come to different things
that we did. We did a childhood event. He curssed
that girl off so bad, and I cussed him out
to make her respect him, but not because I knew
they was gonna be together.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He was actually with.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Somebody else at that time, but she was trying to
get with him. I know lots of stuff as far
as that of how she's trying to get in there to.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Get with him.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
When that book was written and they said this stuff,
I never read the book, but I've never heard him
say anything himself. But other people said, how did you
come in to say that she was doing something to me?
If there's a lawsuit that he found against me that
I stole from him, let people find it and find
where I stole from him at.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I've never seen the documents, but I know that there
was a TMZ story back in like that's what that's
what I'm referencing.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I know, I understand that, but I've never got no laws,
suit papers. People. Okay, they needed me. I was a threat.
I don't want to seem like no.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You know one thing, That's why I never wanted to
do I'm don't want to be let no damsel in distress.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Gee, Okay, because I can handle this ship. Trust me.
I can handle.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
It that you can hear.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Like they needed me out the way, and I'll have
a problem saying people's names because at that time, back then,
I did the interview.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's why me and coach Kay didn get along.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Okay, and Todd moster Woods know what he did to
pay get her out the way because they couldn't do
nothing to him that they wanted to do with me there,
but they knew they could flash money because that's one
thing about Gucci is that money. He don't play with it.
Come to that money, right, That's one thing about him.
Get her out the way. Because I had too much influence.
(24:22):
I was like the longest person, the person that you
listened to, the most we.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Were like Bonnie and Cloud. That was my partner.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
If I was a thiefist collecting money from records now
that belonged to both of us. There's things that belong
to both of us. I could have I could have
gotten that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I have to be going after him.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
If it wasn't about money then And you might even
asked this question like thirty doosand times if it wasn't money,
like what what is it disconnection with because it seems
like you know, you were there during the times that
people really wouldn't even ever understood what he needed and
you understood it?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
What is it connection? Because I know you guys still
aren't in communication right?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
No, No, what is it?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
What's the issue? If the money thing didn't happen. There
was a lawsuit filing in twenty thirteen. I don't even
know what even happened with that, but you said you
didn't receive documents whatever. Was never any court proceedings ever anything?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Nothing. I promise you on everything, I love.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
The only proceeding that I had to go to was
a girl trying to suit me for five thousand dollars
for being pregnant by him, and I was the manager.
So I'm the person that handled everything at that time.
Other than that anything against him, it wasn't there. Lauren
(25:42):
put me in the room with everyone. I can stand
before anybody. I aint never took nothing from him, never, never,
I ain't never done nothing but love on him.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
When nobody else wanted to be bothered, I was there.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
And that's the thing that gives me that how well
people forget the position that all these people were in.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
But I entered a lot of rooms.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
That he sold, a lot of that I got set
up to go into and not knowing what I'm going
into ms my life for these people, like every one
of them, I went through something with And that's just real,
like literally risk my life. How could you take from
people that didn't have anything?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
All of them that I've gotten didn't have nothing and
lived with me. So what did I take?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
What did I I'm trying to that, what did I
take from you?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Your loved the under fields. I loved on them like
it was my own. It's hurt.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I can't tell you a disconnect when you don't have
love for your own mother.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
And this is.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Something that I need to take heath to even with
each one of them, when you disrespect your own parents,
your own mother, and do the things that you do.
Then who are who am I? I still I still
be with his son to this day, the first son
that he had, still have a relationship with him, Still
(27:11):
have a relationship with his family.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
All in Alabama.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
All of them loved me.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Everybody too. We still have relationships.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I still have loved I don't never want to see
anything happen to any of them.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
But why did you listen to people?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It's not them, it's the people that they were around
that did this stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I'm so dirt on her. I watched one of them
call on the phone to what's her name? Huh, that's
all right there? Did I want to I want to
allow Lauren to get a question.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I think we we we? Is there more you need
on the Gucci thing?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Long?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I was just gonna say, I looked it up on
online on Pacer and according to the court record, it
was voluntarily dismissed by Roger Davis, which is Gucci man.
So I was going to ask, do you like when
the dismissal happened? Like how did y'all get there?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Because it's never got a paper.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's what I'm trying to tell you I've never if
you see, I'm never was served.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Why would he voluntarily dismiss it?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Why if I stole from him, why did he voluntarily
dismiss it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I think people thought that there was a settlement of
some story at the time.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I promise you, I promise you there wasn't. Why Why
was it voluntarily dismissed?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
If I stole from him?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Why so if there was a lawsuit, I promised Lauren,
I don't have no papers.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I have no papers to that or nothing.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
When did he foul it and when was it dismissed?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So it was filed in November of twenty thirteen, and
it was dismissed in March of Yeah. The notice of
voluntary dismissal was submitted March twelve, twenty fourteen, by after
my birthday, Yeah, by Roger Davis and Michael Armor, who
I believe is yeah, was his representation at the time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Is that the man that died? I wonder that.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I'm not really sure if that's the lawyer that died,
that took everything that I that he came back to
me and I had to go get all his stuff
back again for.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Him, So I don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'm gonna tell you that there was no settlement. I'll
tell you there was no settlement, none.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
None.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I know you probably be tired of the music industry business.
I don't know how you be doing these shows. This
is a lot here, huh.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
One of the things that I was told is the
playground that I'm dealing with. And I understand that, you know,
But I asked myself a lot of times, why do
you keep doing this?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Why do you keep getting into this?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And my son just got on me the other day,
he said, my why you just don't go back to charity,
Like that's what I've seen you at your happiest when
you was doing for women and children and you were
doing things for them.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But some kind of way, I felt I could save
us somewhat.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That's a big problem now, gainst that's the prices in me,
you know what I'm saying, Like I feel like a save.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And another thing is that I love women.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's so big for me, Like I really want us
to stand on what we need to stand on.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like that's really big.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I want that unity with us, super big. Oh my god,
this is so crazy. I feel this is not good
for me. I don't do this. I don't I can't
argue with people. I can't do this internet stuff. You
(31:01):
gotta watch the sound vices. People will take it and
run because the tensions being of people is so low.
But I came in in the era when they didn't
have all of this, and I beat these streets for
these people. I went up against a lot of men,
a lot of men alone alone, to push my way
(31:24):
through to get these people the dreams that they had,
each one of them. They all could recalled some serious situations.
I don't been through the shootouts. I don't been through
it all.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I don't stop. I'd've been through the threats. I'd have
been to the oh, we don't deal with you.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
No more of you deal with this person than you
went from dealing with me to dealing with that person.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
And leaving me alone.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, y'all? And that was part one of my
conversation with deb Anti music industry leader, manager, mother wife.
Known were artists like French Fontana, Gucci Minh and Jumnahs.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Just enhim a few.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
We'll be back in our next episode with some more.
But I tell you, guys, every single episode, y'all could
be anywhere with anybody talking about all of these things
and the things, but y'all choose me right here with me,
my Lowridings.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I'll catch you on my next one.
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