Decisions, Decisions: From Porn to the Pulpit (feat. Apostle Danielle Williams-McCord)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
When I got there, dancing was not a part of
the plan. She was basically like, dancing, ain't it. If
you want to see some real money, you gotta you know,
you're gonna have to sell that thing. And so my
choir member from my church was like, yeah, we're not dancing.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
We're from the be Hoes.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
We had sex one time and I got pregnant at
thirteen by the twenty seven year old pimp. I hid
my pregnancy until I was six and a half months
pregnant and my water broke. I went from school to
the ambulance to the hospital, where I gave birth to
my first son, who died in my arms because he
was premature.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
And that's when things kind of took aod turn.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Thirteen go.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, it's the decisions, decisions, all right.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I know this is funny, but let me just preg
real quick before we do it. No, no, because we're
gonna have fun, but we will no.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
No, okay, no, this is how we started.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
So let's pray.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Okay, okay, okay. Let me tell you. We haven't held
hands in whoa if ever whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Wow, Lord, we thank you, we honor you, we give
your name, glory, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
For this platform. Thank you for this opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
We come against any distractions, we come against any flaws,
and we just asked God that you would just give
us the right answers and the right responses. We pray
for the viewers that somebody will laugh, but they will
also be transformed, healed, and delivered through this as well.
Bless these hosts as they continue to bring laughter, information,
entertainment in Jesus name.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Amen, hallello, you amen.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
But also I heard hoes no host, I heard said host.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh oh, we both hold on. We both hold on.
I heard hose by the way, hello host, hold on
the audience.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
By the way, we hold a his you said Hose.
We both looked at you.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
All the fight.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
We both looked at each other like, h we need
to I mean, but okay.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
First of all, right, heel Now, I know y'all are
looking at your phone, looking at the TV screen, looking
at your laptop like, did I tune into the correct
podcast this week?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Y'all, welcome hallelujah to another episode Decisions.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
By the way, they say, I sound like a black
past all the time, so welcome air.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
About it to Decisions. Decisions. I'm your girl, Mandy b.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
We.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
I'm her co host Wheezy, And before we start this
week's episode, I do want to give a trigger warning
only because we are going to be talking about some
deep topics that may trigger the listeners. So anyone who
may be triggered from any conversations around sexual assault, sexual harassment, survival, sex,

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sex trafficking, please just proceed with the episode with caution.
All right, now, I do have a little introduction for
who our host is.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Now.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
I use my husband to help me with this, so
if he forgot something, let me know.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
My husband is chet Chipet. I know.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Don't judge me, dang, ain't no judging in the pole pit. Okay,
So today y'all we are a joel pit. That's see,
look at you the pink keep going.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Get you all right, y'all?

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Today today Baby, we all joined by Apostle Danielle Williams Record,
a dynamic voice in faith leadership and spiritual empowerment. Apostle
Danielle is known for her unwavering commitment to God's truth,
her passion for healing and restoration, and her heart for people,
especially women, walking into wholeness and purpose through her ministry, teaching,

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and prophetic insights. She challenges believers to grow deeper in
faith while living.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Authentically and boldly.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
She is also the author of From Pouring to the Pulpit,
which is most recently been turned into a stage play
and is traveling the country.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I book listen.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Because even just flipping through the pages, I was like,
this is juice juicey, just like your story.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Welcome, can we okay? Thank you?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
I'll tell her husband he did a good child girl,
because he liked words of information that crosses.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
In the ear. It is you have those and you
shouldn't even be wearing them. You know what. I am
a child of God. He is here for me all
the time.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Now let's get into a little bit about you. So, y'all,
this is a whole episode. We listen and we do
not judge. Now, Me and Weezy judge our friends all
the time. But we're gonna come in not judging because
I think that your story is different.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It should be told.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
And I think being a woman from a religious background
and from the church, where there is a lot of
shame in truth, there is a lot of shame in
life experience, especially for women. I love the you are
so brave in sharing it.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
And being like, this is me. I can't imagine just
sharing it, getting to a point where you felt comfortable
to share it, because I know that you must have
said the title of this book to somebody and they
were like, are you insane? Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Ultimately, it took a long time to get bold enough
to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Who wakes up and says, hey, how you doing? My
name Danielle used to be a whole you know, like,
you know.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Have we introduced ourselves like alpha? You know, I feel
like that's an alcoholic anonymous like.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Especially in church and in the combinements of empowerment groups
and things like that. It took a minute for me
to be able to get to the point that I'm
at now.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Oh but you really don't introduce yourself like that, do you.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I mean, it's straight to the point, from Poorn to
the Pool, but I wanted it to be self explanatory,
right to the point.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I don't want to come with those saved title.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
No church type people just look at that and put
that down from Poorn to the Pool, It's gonna catch
your attention and it's literally my did you have?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Like okay? Because it seems now even being a pastor
like you're still fun, You're still sexy, So like there's
still some of that personality when you were doing porn.
Did you give church you girl? Not at all?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Okay, so that personality now I ain't giving you you
feel like you Okay. Now I do want to start
off then with your backstory, like how early did you
were you raised in the church, Like what what is
your early relationship with the church?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Specifically, I do not have any recollection of my parents
taking me to church. Mother or my father did not
take me to church. It was my grandparents. They gave
me God. Okay, they gave me God.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
And so what did that look like?

Speaker 5 (06:36):
At what age did you start start going to the church,
because that's where this all started.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
By the way, y'all are going to be surprised that baby,
it was really from the pulpit to port to the pulpit.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
H uh huh.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
So let's talk about it. Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So prior to me in church, I had started in
the strip club.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Okay, yes, literally, Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
So before I got with my grandparents and really got
rooted and grounded into the church, I was out of
control team straight out of Compton, you know, all of
the things. But I had been molested and raped at
a very young age, eight years old. It started with
the molestation by my babysitter son. Our black community, our
brown and black community, they don't really talk about mental

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health stuff. But my father was diagnosed with bipolar disorder
and schizophrenia, and he tried to kill me when I
was ten. He tried to drown me in a bathtub.
He beat me halfway to death and then tried to
draw me in a bathtub. I kind of bounced from
family member to family member and.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
He was having an episode when it happened.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Ended up in LA with my mom, and we had
a neighbor, you know that family friend who ended up
invited me into his home and he raped me when
I was twelve.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
You're at eight ten and twelve.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Eight ten and twelve, and also you spoke with no
one at this age about any of this that had happened.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Like because you led with It's really hard.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Within the black community to speak about mental health things
that we go through, and a lot of that stuff
is brushed under the rug. Unfortunately for so many women
and boys, right or girls and boys. So eight ten
and twelve, no one kind of came to your rescue
during these things taking place.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
No, So, at eight and at twelve, an abuser's objective
is to instill fear. So the babysitter son, So I
was eight, he was like fourteen when I was twelve.
This was like a forty plus yr old neighbor. So
their their jobs to instill fear, make you feel like
nobody's gonna believe you, or if you tell I'm gonna
do this or I'm gonna do that. So I had

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I was scared to say something, so I didn't say anything.
Even when my dad trying to kill me. I think
I went to They took me to like therapy once
or twice and then it was like, Okay, it's over with.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
So I didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I never got the proper helpe that I really should
have got through the eight, ten, and twelve.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
So when you were going through these experiences and you
said you ended up going to was it another family
member's house? That's when God was introduced to you.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
No, wow, So much trauma happened before I finally found
my piece. Okay, Yeah, So twelve thirteen in La standing
at the bus stop waiting for my bus to come
on fig on figure roller.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh wow, I know what happens on Figeah.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
And this guy pulled up and he was the finest
thing I ever seen in my life. He pulled up
in like this gold LEXI said, I was like eugh,
and he got.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Off the car.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
He tried to talk to me whatever, and I'm young
and dumb at thirteen years old. He's twenty seven, twenty seven.
Found out he was a pimp trying to pimp me.
I didn't know that at that wasn't the introduction. I'm
just thinking, I'm a young girl. This cute older guy
is interested. We had sex one time and I got
pregnant at thirteen by the twenty seven year old pimp.
I hid my pregnancy until I was six and a

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half months pregnant and my water broke. I went from
school to the ambulance to the hospital, where I gave
birth to my first son, who died in my arms
because he was premature. And that's when things kind of
took a turn. When you say birth, I gave birth,
had to push him.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Eg topic pregnancy no no, no no, So.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
What is it when it's still still no?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
No?

Speaker 5 (10:08):
He was alive, just premature and then and didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Pass didn't make it past. There you go, can make
it pass.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
And going back to what you said thirteen, Yeah, going back,
wow said eight, ten, twelve, now thirteen, trauma after trauma
after trauma with no proper therapy or help or anybody
older to try to mentor me and help me through that.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
So my mind just kind of.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Who did you hide your pregnancy from? Who are you
living with? My mom? Wow?

Speaker 5 (10:43):
So she after leaving your dad, you also felt like
wasn't someone that you could speak to.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
No, Okay, And I want to touch on that because
I think a lot of young girls we go through
this thing with our moms sometimes.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
And now she's my bestie, Now that's my I mean.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
I hid my period for a year from my mom.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
So it's weird because I also don't know how, especially
like with so many of my friends now being mothers.
It's almost like there is no teaching or right way
or blueprint for you to gain that trust and safety
net with your daughter all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
It's very difficult. Yes, it is, it is.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
And so just at thirteen, there still wasn't that you
didn't feel like you could go to your mom.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I couldn't tell her, Hey, I'm pregnant, Like I just
couldn't it.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
The words could never come.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I don't know if I could have a mom that
cool at thirteen to even be like it's hard to
when you know what I want to go back to,
like just thinking and I'm curious now, especially in the
era of like the fsceine file, like I love Deepak
Choufe and just found out he was making poems about
his lust for little girls. So it's like all of
our faiths are just going away, right, I mean, for example,

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it could be something like I think jay Z is
on a list because he was on the list for
a party, right, everybody has a different type of party,
or mom Donnie the mayor of New York because Mom
went to a film screening of something, so like anybody
could be connected. And then there's the ones who were
actually having sex with little girls. What were some of
the things that you remember him saying to you, like

(12:13):
the pimp? Yeah, OK. Are there any things that when
you were in the car or when you guys met
that acknowledged maybe your age or he knew your age,
or was there something that he was.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Saying you did me talking about this twenty seven year old
knew she.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Was underage, of course, a thirteen year old.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I just want to know what he said to you,
specifically to where you knew he knew you were thirteen.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I don't think he knew I was thirteen. He knew
I was underage, like sixteen. I think I'm gonna said
I'm sixteen, fifteen, sixteen. Either way, he knew I was
a minor. Yeah, I just don't think he knew that
I was that young until I got pregnant. When I
got pregnant, the first thing was I told him and
he the first option was abortion. So I think that's
when the conversation about my age came up, because he's like, well,

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six if you're sixteen, you can go to here by
your son, California. I get sixteen by yourself. And I
think that's when it came out, well, I'm not sixteen,
I'm thirteen. And then I said so he was like thirteen.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'm like yeah. So he was like, I said, so
you have to take me.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
You're gonna have to play the brother, the uncle, you
like to do something, and he said okay, but he
never showed up. And so at that point I was
still early in the pregnancy. But when he didn't show up.
I just thirteen. I thought out of sight.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Out of mind. If I don't acknowledge it, it's gonna
go away.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Oh my god, we're so dumb? Are we dumb? Literally?

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Like, we're so dumb? So then, at what point was
your mom aware of your pregnancy.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
When they called her and when I was in labor?

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Your mom found out when you were in labor?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Mother and my grandparents because I tried to leave the
hospital while I was in labor because the time was going.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Mind you, my water broke at school.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
So I'm like, all right, I've been here a couple hours,
it's getting late that the street lights are coming on.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
With that man in your head when the water broke,
did you knew you were going to the labor? I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't think I knew the severity because I was
trying to go home, Like I literally.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
In your head, what were you thinking, like, I'm gonna
give it up for adoption.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it at the hospital, go home,
and then come back the next day and figure it out.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yep, that sounds like, yeah, I'm gonna go home. Not
crashed the car, but I hit my parents' car. When
I took it out at thirteen, I'm ever thinking it's okay,
it's on the right side. My mom enters from the
left side. By the time I find somebody, I'm gonna
take my dad's check with sun the way.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
You it's the process get to cortex is not even there.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Okay, So she found that out.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
You have the baby, Do you remain in this relationship
with the pimp? Because now also your mom is a
ha is your mom now aware clearly of the baby,
but the relationship and who.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
You have it with.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I think I concealed his age, Okay I did. I
don't think I told how old he was, nor that
he was a pimp.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Were y'all sleeping together while you're pre I.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Had sex with this man?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
All of this because when I got pregnant, he was like,
let's get the abortion. Then when he didn't show up,
he said, well, just have the baby. I'll take care
of you while you're pregnant. But once you had a baby,
you're gonna have to get on the blade.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
What is on the trail?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yes, you go, I'm gonna take care of you while
you pregnant. You had a baby, and then you're gonna
have to get the.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Work because you you a bottom bitch.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Now at this point, yeah, yeah, I said no, no, no,
I said no, And it was funny that I said.
I had enough sense to say no to him, but
not to the girl that introduced me to that.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
So you.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Or or we also tie, we don't. We don't.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
A lot of times tie harm to women as a woman,
especially young, especially if they become friends, Like you don't
think a friend is gonna put you into some shit,
so the baby doesn't make it.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
You're thirteen.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Let's fast forward a little bit too, this introduction and
who it was, where it was, because it was in
the church, absolutely, So yeah, let's get to you are a.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Stripper when you started strip?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
So I ran away after the baby. I just ran away.
Rebellion kicked in. My mom is like, how did you
have all these questions? I don't want to talk.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm mad. I run away, get a fake ID, run
away with another pimp.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Did you know he was?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I didn't at first.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
But the difference between him and the baby dad was
he didn't force me or try to get me to
do it.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
He offered.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I was like, no.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
The problem with him was this is where the strip
club came in, he was like, mister what they said,
doctor Jeko, mister high. He was really nice when he
was sober, but when he would get high on koke,
he would beat the crap out of me.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
And he was a dope dealer.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
So one of his customers was a stripper, so when
she would buy her little stuff from him, she see
me all beat up and she's like, hey, you ain't
got to deal with this. You can come to the
club with me and make some money. So in her
mind she was helping me.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, I mean, she innocent, innocent, and how old are
you now?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm almost forty now.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
No no, no, no, no, no no no no.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm almost okay. But in the time of the story,
I was fourteen at this time.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Whoa okay?

Speaker 1 (17:17):
So it started dancing, but what a fake id with
a fake ID. But it was some grown people's stuff
going on in the strip club that a fourteen year
old wasn't ready for, and so I was like, nah,
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Does that strip club still exist today?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
That was the after hours in La Okay, So I
don't know if they're still open, but it was the
after hours and it was a lot of stuff going on.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
And now fourteen, what were some of the things that,
like at that age you saw and were wild by,
Like being in that type of environment.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Sex in the champagne room, girls getting beat up by
their pimps because the money wasn't enough, people doing drugs
in the corner. What Ebney from Players Club said, I
just came to dance for y'all. I just came to dance,
but they wanted they was like, nah, at that time.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
How much do you remember sex being in the club,
in the champagne room.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I don't know when they offered me. I was so,
I was so, I felt so disrespected. I was so like,
how dare you ask me to do that? Cause I'm fourteen.
So when I hear strip club, I hear dancing dancing,
I'm thinking dancing, naked, dancing in sexy clothes, not prostitution,
because there is a difference. There's some clubs that they
allow you to dance. If you do anything else, they

(18:30):
will put you out. So that's what I'm thinking, But
not over here. It's like, yeah, you dance, that's the appetizer.
But you know, after that we go back there we
fucking yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, And at fourteen, I wasn't ready for that.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
You know, I actually don't know if in my lifetime
I've been in a private room and not been offered.
More like there's a place somewhere I don't know if
it still exists in New Orleans called the passion Pit.
And I was only eighteen or nineteen went to the
back room because my friend bought me a dance and
the girl literally said to me, Okay, do you want
me at your pussy or you want have you ever
had fingers in your pussy? Like how much do you

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want to spend? And I remember thinking to myself, my god,
I'm thinking, like these people brought me to dance because
they knew I was coming back here to do this shit.
And it's not really to me something that I don't
know what's common knowledge we think just like you said,
stripping is dancing. Yeah, I'm sure you had no idea

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that later in your life you'd be at the point.
I feel like any stripper we meet that started at
stripping then it became to port it's like no one
ever saw that trajectory absolutely, But when did you start
to see it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Happen in the strip? Like right away was starting for yourself.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I mean, so when I left the strip club, I
went to Compton with my grandparents. In order to be
in their house, you had to go to church. And
this is what age now fifteen. Okay, you didn't last
very long.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
You said.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I was in there a year. Okay, I don't think
I was. I was at my grandparents for a while.
But when the institution started it was fifteen.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Where were you staying? Like? Where was your home? Like
when you were fourteen?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I was living with the drug dealing pen and then
I left started stripping. Was staying with the strip with
with the stripper who introduced me to that, and then
I went to Saint Gonna work.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
So in your grandparents' home, the rule was that you
had to go to church.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I gotta go to church.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
Okay, so by fifteen, church is introduced. Yes, at this point,
did you feel like church would be like now this
new reawakening or.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Rebirth or you felt safe? Yes?

Speaker 5 (20:31):
Their church was okay, yeah, let's get into Then you
you getting into church?

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, so I got into I got into stability with
my grandparents. It was stability. I got into got back
into school because then I dropped out of school.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Obviously.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
So I got back into school, Okay, got me a
little summer job, and then they had me in church
all day, every day, all day. Oh my gosh, Oh
you had those type of I had those type of godparents.
It was something every day. And so I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna be here. I'm min as,
We'll do something, find something I enjoyed. At that time,
I wanted to sing, and so I joined the youth
choir and so I was singing for Jesus and I

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befriended this young lady in the choir. You know, my
my grandparents knew her mom, and I knew her from
visiting the church, and then when I joined the choir,
we really got.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
The same pitch. No.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
She was eighteen fifteen, and one day she pulled me
to the side after choir rehearsal, pulled me to the side,
and she was like, I know you used to dance.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm like, well, how do you know that?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
How you know I used to grandparents your grandparents end.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Dang, yeah doing good. Now she was out in the
street club, but she over here with that.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
And so she was like, I know you used to dance,
And I was like she was like, but don't trip.
I danced too present, tense, and so I'm like okay.
And so she was like, you don't have to stay
with your your grandparents. I got my own place. She
was like, look outside, you see my car. She was like,
I'm dancing and you can come stay with me and
we'll dance together. So I'm like, you know, okay, you

(22:07):
know this is my friend, this is my girl. So
I'm like, okay, cool. So I run away from stability,
run away from my safe place to go move in
with my friend to dance. However, when I got there,
dancing was not a part of the plan.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
She was basically like, dancing, ain't it.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
If you want to see some real money, you gotta
you know, you're gonna have to sell that thing. So
my choir member from my church was like, yeah, we're
not dancing, We're finla be hoes.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Did she want some of your money? No?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I later found out she was with a pimp. It
was a scheme that Tad set up. She didn't tell
me at first.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I didn't know at first, but.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
I knew she did. She not here. No. No, Todd
is Candy her ex husband, Todd. That's his name. Candy's husband.
What's Todd? What you be? She is? She is a girl. Okay,
you bring on fat white lady, and.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
I'm gonna help her while she's coming down to Atlanta.
She needs to know Housewives of Atlanta. Okay, Bron, it's embarrassing. Okay,
well because even my baby daddy know. Pat, I'm like,
but that's mama Joyce said that anyway. Anyway, so it

(23:34):
was a scheme that she probably set up with her
pimp to bring you into the pault.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
What transpired from there? How long will you do this?
Because I ain't gonna hold you. God, damn, this is
once every year.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
It's like trauma trauma.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Oh sorry, I can't say that. I said God. You
gotta say God.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
That was God.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Oops, y'all are watching this on the video we came
in our church fit.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You know, church fit. Ain't no cleav it. Sorry, fellas,
ain't no the cherries give hord for you. They messed
the shirt. She said to these hoes today.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
You know what, I would like to play it back,
And we had the subtitle it I bet you in
here the I didn't hear the but okay, so what
ended up happening during this time that you're with this
friend and her pimp.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I wasn't with the pimps. Okay, yeah, so just with her.
She basically got me ready for the first date. You know,
we went literally went from singing for Jesus at our
church to now she dressing me up?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
How does she find? What were you?

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Like?

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I was saying to Jesus the coming on ball that no,
I can't say that. Sorry y'all.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Sorry, okay here, well you ain't you ain't wrong, ain't wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
But yeah, so she just got me ready for the
first day.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
What were how are you feeling? Like, do you remember
like told like, yeah, what did she tell you? How
did she prepare you? Like did she tell you about
condoms or maybe like what to put on? Like what
was that first experience?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Like, I mean, it was a whole rundown, and I
think it just was like have you ever just sat
there just you hear them? But it's like an outer
body experience, like I'm really getting ready for this. And
then she was like, well, I got something to calm
you down. So not only did the choir member introduce
me to the prostitution, she introduced me to drugs. So
I started with the cocaine and the X and all

(25:32):
that hold on coke.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Calms you down, or maybe she just wanted you out
your head. Yeah, I mean you would know what That's
what I said. I don't know what she was talking about.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I thought, turno, No it was I don't know if
she was just trying to calm you know, get you
out your your sobriety, get into the place.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So it was just oh, you know what, confidence, here
you go.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
There you go cocaine confidence. Yeah. So wow.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't think you ever forget your first your first client.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
What was he like? Was he white? Was he black?
Was young? A black? Fat?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Was They always say you don't do black, don't go
black because he's either a pimp or a police.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh, Armenian. It was in the valley in La.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
I've never heard that. I always hear don't go black.
There they got big dicks, That's.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
What I heard. Wait, because if you look for those
of you that may not know we talk about, if
you were ever on a site or you're ever seeing
women talk about who they're looking for, they'll list out
that they won't take black men. A lot of sex
workers black women won't take black men.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Well, my homegirl that used to be on arrows. She
told me she didn't take black men because her cap
was six men a day. She did out calls, but
they either went too long or too big or and
I hate that she said this was her words, or aggressive.
So because of that, she steered clear of black men

(26:57):
as clients.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I was just told it was either a pimp or
the police.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Wow, okay, interesting, Okay, So your first client was Armeni Armenian.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's very la, very much so in the valley.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, okay, it was an Honting honey.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what was your name? What was my name?
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I know they used to call me a little bit
before I changed my name to queen. Okay, So I
think I was just going by that because I always
was short and I was smaller than the in statue.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
So I just went by that.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
And were you in a car?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Were you was in the car?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
She took me straight to the Blade.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, you were on the Blade at fifteen, fifteen years old?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Where's the Blade? Because I've heard about fig Maybe we
could if you could get.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Didn't they do a documentary about Yeah, this particular strip.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
I thought you've talked about it. Yeah, I didn't know
about fig Okay, I've never heard a blade.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
So in the valley you got Sherman Oaks, Sherman Way,
you have places in like.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Where are some other ones?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Obviously a sunset, you know, Hollywood Boulevard, things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah wow, yeah, so this is still today then a
place where.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
You can get Okay, so you're fifteen, you've had your
first john. Does it get easier harder? Do you disconnect?
And then we're gonna get to you going back to
the place that brought you this. But how long were
you were you doing prostitution.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
And then it? Did it go to porn from there?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Okay, you did all all the times. I'd like to
ask you a question that might be uncomfortable, but I'm curious.
A lot of my friends that do sex work, we
may laugh about the fun moments together or something silly
like girl he could get over he wanted this. What
was the scariest moment for you?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh, we're gonna get there. Okay, so it got real bad.
I think that was the turning point. The scariest moment
was my tur was your turning However, before I got there,
I went through things like pimps trying to kidnap me,
and you know, tricks pulling out guns and knives.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I've been robbed on a blade on the track or
whatever they call it, because.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
You weren't giving the money away, so you had the
money on you.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, some people go out there to rob the prostitutes
because they know they're getting cash. It was way before
cash apps and squares and Benmo and PayPal, you know,
it was it was a cash transaction, so.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
You had to go to the public.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, so for the most part, a lot of men
and women know that that's an easy lick, go out
there with the women are a little bit more less
vulnerable than me, and you know, they're less of a
threat than a man. So an easy hit is to
go on the track and hit a prostitute, get her
money or whatever.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
So I went through a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
What percentage of men were trying to do things without condoms?

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You know, I didn't really run into that a lot.
I mean, you have a few, but I didn't really run.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Into that a lot.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I think I started seeing that more so on the
porn industry when my clientele changed.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Wow, now that's what I to get to. Yeah, so you.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Go from prostitution on the blade to porn, so doing
it on video. Now you talk about your clientele, uh huh.
And it brought you kind of back to the church
just a little bit, kind of sort of well I
need to know about your clientele.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
That was God fear men.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, so even before I think, before porn, a lot
of my clients were pastors.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Now this is interesting being in church. Yeah. Do you
you said you just left Orlando. Do you remember hearing
a story about New Destiny? M M. There was a
church I went to growing up in Orlando, and the
pastor of the church died in New York and hotel
room they set up a cocaine overdose and he was
with a sex worker his wife and now I think

(30:49):
with a new husband now runs that church. Maybe she
named it something else, But I had heard my whole
life that like the highest pain customers, or like the
most frequent or sexy to talk about just crazy in
a story where it was pastors and policemen, they told
you they was pastors.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Some of them did they have kicks where they was like, ooh,
call me pastor away, like I didn't know the.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Like some of them were well known, so I just
gotta knew. Oh yeah, some of them were well known.
I ran into some in church because so this is
the thing I would have paid to see their face
on you. So it was times where, like I said,
prostituting before I got into the porn industry, I still
went to church Like it didn't matter what I did.

(31:33):
I was on drugs at this point, I was prostituting, stripping,
selling dope in and out of jail, do it. But
I still went to church. And I thank god that
my grandparents gave me that because even though I was
living wild, I was wild, but I still had that
relationship with God.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
People say you're a hypocreator whatever, you know, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
For those of us, I feel like I'm someone that
casually goes when it's a holiday, or a friend drags me, right,
when a friend dragged me, and when it happens, there's
something I want to change that day. How did that
never happen?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
What?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Or it did happen?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
It happened. But then when the money gets low, that
flesh rises again.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
So when you go to church, you'd be like, I'm
doing the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Of course, yeah, especially if that message is right, that
song is right, and then it's like, dang, I'm gonna
go to the club, or I just left a married man,
or I just left doing this. You know it would hit,
but you know, you have to make a decision, and
sometimes we're just not ready to make that decision. And
so I would be in church and then I see
the dude that I was just with the other night,
and that's how I will find out a lot of

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them have positions in church. They were pastors, deacon's ministers,
or whatever. Just by trying to go worship. I had
times where I was literally in worship crying. It's not
an ugly crying and want to tap me on my
shoulder and it'll be one of my clients. Wow, yeah, yeah,
what yeah, Okay, it was very with their family, with

(32:51):
their families.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
What about I'm something I'm curious to, Like, you're almost forty,
this is happening to you as a teenager. Do we
think sex work is so moral and bad? Now? Dude?
What is your opinion in comparison? You were basically saying
that at the time, you felt like you were doing
the wrong thing.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
I mean back then, I remember when I was in
high school, one of my close friends, her sister was
a dancer at Magic City, And back then being a
stripper was so taboo, you didn't They weren't proud, but
they made money and they were the girls in the
strip club.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
But now with OnlyFans and with you know, the like
ig models, we know what some of them are doing
on the trips that they go to. It's a lot
more normalized sex work now than it was back.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Normal more than today. No, I'm like direct question, do
you think it's wrong?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Oh you do? Yeah, And so knowing that one somebody
could be happy and doing legal sex work, and even
if it's something like a virtual a sexual relationship just
sharing nude photos, you feel like it's wrong or you
believe that it is wrong because the Bible. Where does
that come from.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I've never met a happy prostitute. Oh, will we know
how to pretend. There's no woman that likes to be degraded.
We like the money and the lifestyle. There's no woman
who will sit down. They'll tell you, oh yeah, I'm
getting money, I'm getting and all of that.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
We're gonna portray that, especially if you have celebrity clientele,
especially if you're buying bags and you're living a luxurious lifestyle,
but internally you're not happy.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Now, that's why sex for money? What about if it's
porn and it's or it's stripping, or even if they're
making money off their feet. Horn's right, but she said prostitute,
So I want to know in prostitution it's just legal.
Is there any kind of sex work that you think
is moral?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Okay, m hmm No. Does that come from experience or
because because you're a pastor now you know so much
more and maybe have such a close relationship to God.
I want to know if it's because your experience pushed
it away or if your relationship but God is telling
you that.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Both my experience and then obviously my relationship with God,
but even before I was really rooted into that as
a woman who did it, it is no. We know
how to make it look good, especially when I got
into porn. Shout out to my best friend Shaanna, our
mutual friend. I met her on the porn set. Oh wow,
So we literally met when I was eighteen years old.
On the porn set. We were doing an orgy scene.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's how we met.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That's how me and my best friend met I was
eighteen years old, and we just hit it off and
we became really good friends, and we're friends to this day.
I'm the godmother to her child. She introduced me because
I was hood.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
You know what I'm saying. I was wanted them.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I was hood. Okay, I was recompted. I was one
of them hood strippers of fighting in the clubs and
all that. When I got with Shawna, it was like,
you can't do that because we have a different crowd.
I hang out with a different type of people, and
that's when I was introduced to the celebrities, the rappers,
the ball players, the Hollywood lifestyle. And so even in that,

(35:58):
with the money and the clientele of the celebrities and
high profile people, you still you're still not fulfilled.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
You're miserable.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I don't care how they portray it.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I've never met even the women that I work with
today that are because I work my ministry is different.
I always out from that other church. I'm not super religious.
It's not I don't fit anywhere the church. I don't
fit in the church because they say I'm too worldly,
and I don't fit in the world.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
They say I'm too churchy. So you know, I'm in
my own lane.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
But I deal with a lot of women who are
sex workers, even men who have prostituted themselves. I never
sat with a happy prostitute, porn star, orstriper.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Now do you feel like out of the women you
know and men, I will I will say in my twenties, they.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Made it seem like they did it because they enjoyed
it or they liked it. I will say at thirty
five now the people who have either had to go
back to resort to it, or the women that at
their lowest right now would rather ask me or someone
for help before laying on their back. Because that's my
thing too. I mean, they've all laid on their back.
A lot of my friends have laid on their back

(37:06):
from me, And so I even be like bro at
some point though, in your big age, just go do
it again.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
In the way how they.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Feel about themselves now and how they've worked through traumas
or childhood things or their self worth, they physically cannot
imagine doing it again.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know, like I find up going back to an
office job for you well, no no, no, no, no
no no no not even cloth, not no no, no, let
tell and I'm going to die on this sword O.
Nobody wants to go back to something that they had
to do before they elevated. And a lot of the
times when we talk about sex work because everybody else

(37:46):
congratulates you when you're done. That's why I think people
don't want to go back.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Do you think you know the image of doing it?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
No?

Speaker 5 (37:54):
If I, if I, if I think about going back
to a job, you literally said on the break, I'll
never never go back to office.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I don't want to go no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
But night and day from me saying literally, I wouldn't
even know today what my price would be like because
of there was pride in actually working at Goldman Sachs
and things like that at this big age.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
And in the book.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
That we talk about survival sex, there's no pride that
I have in having to sleep with men that I
didn't like to pay a bill.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
But this time you don't get rich guys to give
you cash. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
There's a big difference from also dating men who give
me money than me having to date.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yes, I have sex.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
A man for my line with sugaring, and I'm not
I'm not sugared.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
By any men in my life talking about you. I'm
talking about thin line between cash for money. Say, if
you are a sugar baby, you are a sect work.
That's a prostitution.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
I'm saying a woman dealing with a man with money
who gets her money and she likes the man, and
they're in a relationship.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
That's different. That's way different. In a relationship is also
different from women dating somebody. They'd be like, oh, girl,
you know he'd be giving me x y Z. This
is all just subjective to me. All of it is
sex work. This whole hierarchy of.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
It can't But if a woman, if a woman can
make the money to live on her own and not
have to depend on a man, I highly think that
ninety nine point nine percent of women, if they had
the skills, the degrees, the ability to make money without
having to lay on their back to not having to
depend on a man.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I think some of these girls that wouldn't do that
would also date a rich dude that was fucking them,
didn't care about them and giving them money. They will,
But I would say that's all of the same, and
we act like prostitutes that are on the blade or
fig are different from a lot of the I'm not
saying that.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
She's saying though, that none of them are genuinely happy
with having to do that to live.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
So this is they wouldn't choose.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
A woman who is dating a man because he has
money or she likes him, or he's taking care of
her is different from a woman who has to wake
up and go online or pick up her phone and
sleep with strangers to fend for her life. I agree
with that that's different. So if I meet a guy,
If I'm single and I meet a guy and he

(40:04):
has money, and he's not super attractive, but I know
he has money, and I'm gonna give him a chance
because he has money, and as time goes on, I
start to like him. Did you get to know a
person sometimes you start to like him the ugly day
that like they say, if he got another one that
feel big grow on you. But me having to wake
up and go and sleep with different men so that
I can have a roof over my head so that

(40:25):
I can feed my kids, but I can pay my bills.
I've never met a woman, whether she's on OnlyFans, whether
she's on the track or in the strip club, who
is genuinely happy with this decision.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I think that it is different from the level of
sex work. And I only say this because I have
ten women in my phone that are fucking ball players
that don't care about them that they're sharing around with
different friends X Y Z, and I bet they would
do it again and again and again because the money
looks different. It's less of a risk. And I also
believe that the luxury lifestyle is a high that I

(40:55):
don't think a lot of women would get off of.
But what I'm saying that to me is happy prostituting now,
whether it's short lived or not, I don't think. I
think this is all of this.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
You've talked about these same girls though, that deal with
these ballers that then cry because they're not being seen more.
Of course, I agree with talking about that, but I
agree with what you said. I've not met one you
saying that you have not met one woman that is
happy being degraded. And I think that again, when you
reach a level of self worth, which is what I
talk about too. So for a lot of women, they

(41:25):
don't know they're unhappy because they don't see themselves as
someone that is deserving. And I talk about that in
my journey with even men. Now casual sex is different
from me now like there, I finally feel like I'm
deserving of a man caring about what I'm doing in life,
considering me my feelings, talking about that, like caring about

(41:45):
what's happening with my family.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I deserve that.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
And so now the idea of being with a man
who doesn't propulses me.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
And I think that that's the thing too.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
There's so many women that haven't gotten to that place yet,
absolutely of valuing.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Themselves, So the PM don't know that they are in
the place. I agree. I think that's really what I'm
talking about here. So then I'm curious for you, when
was the turning point?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Because you you thought it was all for a while,
the lifestyle, hanging with the ballers, the actors, the celebrities,
going on the trips, the yachts, the was fine.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
But what happened?

Speaker 5 (42:17):
What was the turning point of you saying this, this
ain't right.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Well, going back to what Weezie says, she said, luxury
is fun. It is right, but what you have to
do for it is what changes the dynamics. And so
even though like you said, all of those things were great, right,
but my drug intake increased. I overdose three times because
I could not be sober doing that.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I had to be high. I had to be drunk.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I had to I literally would wake up and take
a shot of Jose Quavo before I brushed my teeth
and got out of the bed so that I can
function in the lifestyle. To have the luxury stuff, I
had to sniff a line of coke and pop almost
three pills of ecstasy just to be able to get
through a weekend of sleeping with strangers for money.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
And so yes, I had all of these things, but
I was dying. There's a scripture. I know we don't
go to churches.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
There is a scripture that says, what profit is it
to a man to gain the whole world and lose
his soul? Which means you can have everything given to you,
all the luxuries in the world, and still.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Be dying on the inside.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
And I think that's where a lot of us, that's
where we misconstrue the image of sex work because it
looks like they're bawling, it looks like they're having a
great time, and they are in that moment, but when
the hide comes down and when the sobriety kicks back in.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Now you got to deal with you.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Now you got to look yourself in the mirror and say,
I got this bag because of all the men I
just slept with. I got this house and I'm living
in this penthouse in this high rise.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
But this is what I have to continue to do
to keep it. That's where it starts.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Do you ever, you're about to cry?

Speaker 3 (43:49):
It's so literally, Yes.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
What you're willing to do for it is with changing.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
But also are what you have to do because you
need a your head, you need to eat or like
and I taught it like that was my hardest chapter
in this book, because yeah, it doesn't feel good. And
when you get into therapy and you realize that, when
you have to hold that mirror up and realize what
you thought was fun, the trips and all that, and
it's like wow, Like you look at yourself and it's like, wow,

(44:18):
you didn't think nothing of yourself.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Nothing nothing, because you said something earlier. Women who could
get it on their own. It if we could get
on our own, it's so much more satisfying and so
much more rewarding versus standing in the mirror knowing I
got this if you did it because you built a
platform and you built businesses versus I did it because
I sucked the a million penises.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
You understand what I'm saying. We got the same thing,
but what it costs me more?

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Yeah, you understand even when it costs you, the cost
wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
But inside, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
It's my morals, my soul. It wasn't hard work if
you built it. Because the hard work versus I built
it on my back. It doesn't equal out this And
then it goes back to self worth. What do you
think of yourself to let multiple strangers do whatever they
want to you. You don't get to pick and choose
because once, I mean, you can say no. But once

(45:10):
you're in that room and they didn't gave you that money,
they can do what they want. They can say what
they want to say to you. They can come where
they want to come, they can call you what they
want to call you. They can do whatever. And once
you're in the moment, what you're gonna do as a woman.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
You know what's hard about this conversation For me? Many
people have heard me tell the story, But I do
a TV show called sex Cells, and we explore businesses
and how they make money from sex. I was brought
a TV show called Sexit, and they initially wanted me
to Hope and I've done sex Sell Now my four
season and Sexit. They wanted me to cover people that

(45:51):
were leaving the sex industry, and I was like, well,
I can't do that on this platform or where. I
celebrate sex and I celebrate autonomy. And there's a big
part of me, as much as I can feel this
moment and be empathic, that still stands on wanting women
to be able to have the right to do what they.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Know, and I want to be clear my journey, her journey.
We can I'm still pro sex.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
But no why I'm saying this though. I think it's
because I refuse to believe all of it is bad,
but by the notion that nobody is happy, it's hard
to then celebrate something if I think people are going
to be in a dark place. I want anybody that
wants to make money safely to not hate that they

(46:37):
have to do this or feel like they're lower down
and out. And that's what makes it hard, because I've
felt like that. I've also had sex for money. I've
been there, and then I wasn't. I've had ups and
downs and lows like we all have. But it's hard
because I don't intrinsically, intrinsically believe that every single sex

(47:01):
worker can be unhappy. I think that circumstantial sex, which
is what both of you are talking about, is what
makes us unhappy. I need to have sex for my rent,
and that's tough. I need to have sex or else
this is my last option.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
But there are.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Other sex workers in the world that let's look at
the highest paid porn star or whatever. How come they
haven't pulled out yet? There is just said it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
They're the highest paid.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
But that's what I'm saying, right, I think, And that's
the circumstance versus choice. So when someone is making the
choice to do it because they're either enjoying they're celebrated,
et cetera lifestyle, but also being celebrated, I don't know,
and I know that this is a hard convo to have,
but I can't be who I am for the last
ten years and believe that everyone is unhappy.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Let me say this, and even with the show and
gear to those who want to do you know, like
you said, choice versus circumstance, you have a platform where
you celebrate it. So of course, if I'm still in
the porn industry, I'm a come on here and talk
about the great things about the porn industry and the
money that it brings. And I'm going to act like
I'm so happy and this is so wonderful because that's

(48:08):
the platform that I'm in. But half those people that
have been on your show, send them to me and
let me have a conversation with them. I guarantee you
the conversation is going to be different. The same people
you have had on your platform that celebrate sex work
and they love it and it's this, that and the third.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Let me sit down and talk to them.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
But I'm in this conversation too, and I've sold myself right,
And I think, how did you feel? Well? I never
had it because I needed to. It was sugar daddy is.
It was things like that. It was never for food.
It was a different story, which is probably why I'm
able to have this conversation. Like, I know I didn't

(48:46):
feel that way, and why said, I can be empathic,
but at any point I could have stopped. I did
that with a corporate job, right, like because it was this,
Oh well, he can give me this at a bigger
apartment or et cetera. And that's what I at least
my choice. That's what I hope every story i'd hear
is it was a girl who was safe. And I've

(49:09):
had sexual assault happened, but it wasn't from any of
those transactional moments, right, So it's it's a different and
it's it's not me trying to say this the latest
and that never happened to me. I know why. I
can tell that story in a different way, but I but.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
You never had a sugar daddy.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Well, no, I had a sugar daddy that we could
beleeve the South. I have a question for you. We
can bleep it up. You felt that way. It was
not a sugar daddy, was a sugar daddy. I didn't
love it, but I also at the same time, you
got to remember I didn't need to do it in
that moment. So I believe that because I've never been

(49:44):
pushed to this is it or die? I think that's
why I hadn't had those super super low moments.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Did you enjoy it?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
I mean my chapter that's not true. Please don't speak
for me. My chapter is very different.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
And I wouldn't say, no, I'm talking I'm talking about that.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, No, I'm talking about you.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I think I hate my job. Sometimes I love my job.
But what I will tell you is there were ninety
percent highs for me in this. And also I had
a lot of business acumen while I was sleeping with
someone for money right like mine is called. I think
it's like why buy persons when you could buy stocks?
There's a lot of and maybe because also I always

(50:25):
my next question to you before we started talking about
this was actually, did you ever have an exit plan?
And what was your job or business you wanted to start?
Because I think everybody wanted that I did it. Maybe
every woman did not write or get their chance to write.
We're always saying I'm gonna do X y Z, this
is gonna be over, I'm gonna stop selling drugs. I'm
gonna start doing this right. So that's where I'm in

(50:46):
this crossroad of this conversation because while I feel like
God called you to be a pastlor leader in your
life and having these experience and helping people out of
that lifestyle, I don't know if it's all one hundred
percent bad. The only thing I think is one hundred
sent bad is drug use or being abusive to other people.
But having autonomy of your own body and making money
on it.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I don't know calling an autonomy and making money off
your body whatever. Whatever it takes to make it sound
good for a lot of people, they say, whatever it
takes for you to sleep at night. It still doesn't
take away the fact that we let people degrade us
for a dollar.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Do you think it should be illegal? I think it.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Is illegal, isn't it. Prostitution is illegal, right, I.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Guess all across the board, Like there's brothels, like, oh,
like escort websites are legal, but you can't have some
Like do you think it should all be out so
that women don't have this option?

Speaker 5 (51:44):
I think it should be legal to be safer. It
being illegal creates a lot more agree, Yeah, Like if
you legalize it the same way now you legalize weed,
you can get it on a like it's more regulated.
If prostitution was legal, there would the more ways that
you could see the johns or you could that.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
You could hear information. Agreed, everything is dark well because
of it being illegal for the safety of the women
actually over anybody else.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
I mean just just from a safety standpoint. But I mean,
we talk about it being the oldest profession, you know,
and we can all have different ways of how we
view happy one hundred percent unhappy whatever. But wait, let
me say this.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Don't get it twisted.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I had moments where I had good times, yeah, but
they were short lived once the high wore down, once
the high WARLF wants to drink in all of that,
and I had to deal with the reality of what
I was doing.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
The start of your story answers at all, I don't
even know how. I think even your high times a're
just better than the last. Like, to me, it's very
painful to be a teenager and go through that. You know,
I'm not centing adult at the time that this is
happening for me right and hearing you talk about that,
it's just like it's terrifying because I want to have children,
imagineing them just on the internet. It's like, you never know.

(52:59):
One of my close friends she told me her sister
was sex trafficked, and the first thing out of my
mouth was, didn't you all grow up with money? Like,
because that was really where my brain went. I'm like,
didn't y'all live in this big a, like, what the
fuck are you talking about? And she's like, guy on
the internet, boom took my sister. But you know, that's
what we assume. We think that these stories come from

(53:21):
some kind of poverished living or like you couldn't have
had a good family. Like it's really a kid just
being a kid and ended up in the wrong place.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
And I'm kind of scared to hear now hearing everything.
What was your turning point?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, yeah, holy like all.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Of this sounds scary, but what was the turning point
that you were like, this is it?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah? So a guy flew me to New York.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I was in LA and it was nothing unusual because
men flew me out. You know, this is back in
craigslist days, back page days, so my Space, things of
that nature. So contacted me online, said he wanted me
to come to New York. Nothing out of the norm
you know, long story short. He flew me from LA
to New York on a one way ticket. So it

(54:07):
was a disaster from the beginning. But I'm high out
of my mind, you know, I'm going to New York.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Going to New York, go get this money, and I'm
coming back.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
He got me everything he said to me online was
a lie from where he lived, where he drove all
of the things. But the first three days he winded
on me. He took me to get drugs, He took
me shopping, he took meat to eat. You know, he
gave me money. We end up going to a club
in Manhattan. I'm there to work.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I'm there.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
You know, this is not a girlfriend boyfriend thing. You
paid for a prostitute. So when he went to the bathroom,
I started trying to work, you know, I was talking
to other guys, and he saw me, got really really upset,
and he dragged me out of the club and he
fought me until we got into the cart. Now I'm hood,
I'm an fight back a little bit. But he looked

(54:57):
at me with such a devious look in his eyes,
and he said, I'm going to kill you. You are
not going to leave here. And like I said, as
a prostitute, I went through a lot of things on
the streets, but this was different. He ended up taking
me to this old, abandoned house and took me into
a basement and it looked like something out of a

(55:18):
horror movie. It was a big basement, but it had
a small room. In the room was an old TV.
It was a boarded up window, a small closet and
a mattress on the floor with like a sheet on it.
And he threw me in his basement and he raped
me and he beat me. He was a Haitian man,
so he chanted voodoo over me. He tried to do rituals,
and he told me over and over again, you're going

(55:39):
to die. I'm going to kill you. And when they
say you have near death experiences and like your life
flashes before your eyes, it is true.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I knew that. I knew that he was going to
kill me.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
It was like after he got done with his torturing
and whatever he would get off one. He was very statistic,
so I felt like once he got done doing whatever
he needed to do to please him, he was going to.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Kill me again. I told y'all, I stayed in church.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
No matter what I did, no matter how I lived,
I still went to church. I still had a prayer life.
It was very low, but I had one. He would
leave me in that basement for hours at a time,
and it was one particular day because I felt like
the time was coming. I was only supposed to be
in New York for like three days. I was in
there for almost three weeks in his basement. What yeah,
I was supposed to be there three days?

Speaker 3 (56:25):
How are you counting time?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I watched the sun go up and down? Wow, watch
the sun go up and down.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
It's almost like hearing about a movie. Literally literally literally
there's a Kennedy Ryan books where she has the same story. Yes,
because this is a movie.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
It is speaking girl. I wanted to be play now,
but thank you. And so he would leave me in
that basement. And it was one particular day I said
he gonna kill me. I just knew, I felt it.
I was nineteen years old. Were you like, how could
you not escape? Were you like changers? Or you were
just scared? I so the door that he had me,

(57:04):
the room he had me, and it locked from the outside. Okay,
so he would have to unlock the lover movie this
is the house Maid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his mom
he would let me go.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
If I need to pick up my mouth because I'm
just like his mom was an house No.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, one time he let me go upstairs to take
a shower. And I'm assuming that was his mom. He
was an older lady, but she spoke no English. They
were Haitian, so she only spoke creole French. So I
was trying to get her attention. He was watching me
though the whole time, and I'm trying to get her attention.
She she was like, I'm a mine my business. And
plus she didn't speak English, so it was because I
heard how he's talked to her.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
They didn't.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
So I'm like, I don't know if everybody in the
house is crazy. It's like that he all have to
have eyes in this house. I don't know what's going on.
But she didn't help me. She didn't even look at
me like she knew. The setup of the basement was
as if he's done this before.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I was gonna say, of course he has been, because
if that night went well, yeah, maybe he would have
let you go yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Or he was just waiting to be triggered to yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Because he brought me on a one way ticket.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
So I'm like, maybe you already had your plan, you
just didn't think it was gonna go that way. But yeah,
So he would leave me in the basement, and this
one particular day, I just knew that the end was coming,
and something in me said.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Pray, you knew the end for your life, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
No, the end for him to kill me, right, And
so something in me said pray and I prayed, and
I said, Lord, if you get me out of this,
I'll change my life. You just don't let me die.
Don't let me die like this. I'm in New York
by myself. My family wouldn't even know where to find me.
They wuldn't even know where to put my body for
my funeral because all my parents, my mom and my

(58:45):
grandparents just knew Danielle just met me and with money.
Nobody knew I was stripping, Nobody knew I was prostituting.
They sure didn't know about porn at that time. All
they knew was because I was dating football players, I
was dating rappers.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I was in magazine. So they're like, she meets me
and with money.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, And so they wouldn't even know where to find
And I was just like, God, please don't let me.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I didn't tell this story. So how many times I
don't know why I'm getting to.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Ask because it's so real, and it's just it takes
me back to a place. That's how nobody can tell
me God is not real. And I just I called
on him and I said, please, just don't let me die,
not like this.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
A few days.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Later, his friend, for whatever reason, came to that house
and I'm scared. I'm thinking he's a part of it.
It's his turn now for whatever reason. And I know
it was God because he came down there to that
basement and opened that door, and he looked just as
horrified as I did, like what's going on? And I'm
telling him, like, your friend had me locked down here

(59:44):
because he remember he was in the club with us,
so he remembered me.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
He was like, you're still here. He didn't know I
was still in You're.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
In the bathroom in the basement. Every ding is that? Why?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Like he could what did that room look like that?
He was like, what's going on? So the basement looked
like a regular basement. It was a room in the basement,
like a little room that I was kept in. I
don't know why that man came downstairs for whatever reason,
but I thank God that he did. And he heard me,
or I guess he was calling the dude and he

(01:00:12):
was like, hey, where are you at?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And I was like huh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
And he opened the door and he's like, because mind you,
I'm beat up. I look all disarrayed. I'm all jacked up, right,
So he's like, this ain't the same girl that came
out and you know, I was beautiful and I look great,
and now I'm all disoriented and he's like, what's going on?
Tell him your friend is psycho. He's trying to kill me.
Please help me out of here. He was like, come on,
come on, come on. He helped me out, and he

(01:00:37):
was like, do you have anywhere to go? I knew
somebody in New Jersey. He took me to the train station.
I got on the train and went to New Jersey
and somebody bought me a flight back to LA and I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Never looked back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Wait, wait, wait, you almost left the house too quick
in the story for me when he took you out,
Where was the God?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I have no idea, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
So he came here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
It was nothing but God he was not at the house,
so I believe he was supposed to meet him there.
So the friend got there before he did and came
in the.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
House and came downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
He not upstairs, so let me go downstairs see if
he's in the basement or whatever, and end up finding
me down there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Have you ever heard from the guy again? The friend?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
No, the friend who helped you. I didn't want to
talk to nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
In my head, like did he ever say like, are
you okay?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Try to like find like I think he was so
everybody was. We were all like what's happening? He probably
like what the what's up with homeboy? I'm still like,
are you a part of the craziness? But when he
took me to the train station, that's when it was
like a wait, like, oh, he really did come to
help me, he really is helping me, and he got
me out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I took that train to Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I got back to la He never never went back,
never ever, ever ever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
That's terrifye.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
And then what led you to a life of ministry
and getting back into this church after the church was
also a part of this becoming your life.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Right way right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
So ministry was never part of the plan, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I just wanted to live for God because I think
a lot of times people think being a Christian or
being whatever you are, you have to have a title
or a position.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
You don't, you can you can serve God.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
It's like whenever I make a post, like hey, y'all,
look out for ice, go be a mayor. You want
to make a change like Ice out like I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Can be, you know, for good things without having to
really be fully involved.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
And so I just I remember the vow that I
made it. It made to God. Now, don't get it twisted.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
It was hard because that's all I knew since I
was fourteen years old. So it was absolutely hard to
stay on that on that path. But I knew that
I knew if I went back, I wasn't gonna make
it out, you know, And so I just wanted to
be saved and live by the Bible and get it
into church.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
And what was your like, how did you get normal?
What was your normal?

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Girl?

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Normal? How did you get normal? How did you get normal? Normal?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I wanted to be normal. I didn't want ministry, and
so I did. I end up getting a job at
the post office where I met my husband.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, he was my boss. My husband was my boss.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
This is the story all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
No, I wrote that before I met him.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
No, now we need a part.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
When I saw your wedding ring, I was so curious, like.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Oh, go on, this sounds like the American dream from
prostitution to the post office.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Right, that was my first job.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That was my normality. That's all I wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
But in the midst of me being normal, God said, no,
you have too powerful of a story and you didn't
go a lot of times we don't go through it.
We go through for ourselves, we go through it for
somebody else's That's what I feel about this podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Yeah, this is me sharing my.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Story and us writing this book.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yes, it's it's for whoever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
It's for somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
To me. When I saw your ring earlier, I think
to myself, because it's a question people always have for me.
What is your boyfriend think of your show? Or how
do you date with a podcast? We've heard that that
for years. And when I was looking at your ring
and you're telling the story, I'm like, I wonder if
he learned to be comfortable or if he just knows people
need to hear it to go through their own journey this.

(01:04:13):
People need to hear this.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
How does yet So, how does your husband feel about
you sharing this story?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Was it a conversation?

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
How's he gotten comfortable with everyone else knowing that this
was your your truth?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Well, when he met me, he knew the story.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
So now he met me, Like I said, he was
my boss and when we became friends, and he's older
than me, so he had daughters, all girls, and he
was like, my daughters need to hear your story, you know,
they need they need to sit down to hear your
story and see what what life could be like. So
he bought a book and Wrottin read the book and
came back to work and was like, I want to

(01:04:47):
show you that all men are not bad and clock
out what's going to there might be a little too
much hope for the hose. That it's hope for the
hose because I hear that. No, they need to hear that,
because it's a lot of times where we hear once

(01:05:08):
a whole, always a hole. Ain't nobody gonna wife you?
Who's gonna marry you? Knowing you didn't just do your
strip or just prostitute, but you are on a film,
you know, and so what man would marry you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
And they need to know that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Listen that kain't nobody when God what they say, When
God say yeah, can't nobody say no? And if that's
if you have a desire, I don't care what you
done in your past.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
If you have a desire for a monogamous relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
If you have a desire for marriage, who in the
helicopter is is somebody to tell you that you can't
have that because of your past.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
I'm not gonna lie who in the helicopters?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
That's my safe We're before we get out of here,
what are your alternate cuss words? Do you say? Frick helicopter?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
And what in the ben diesel is going on?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
What is? And shut the faith up?

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Shut the faith? This is hilarious now now real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
Also before we get out of here, just because I
think it is important. Not only where can people get
your book, but when are you bringing it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Back to the stage? What's happening? Because from Porn to
the Pulpit is also now a stage play the play.
Yeah I can support.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Okay, So the book is on Amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Okay, the play.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
Published it is Okay, y'all support, y'all support a self
published black woman.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
All ferd. They definitely find this book. I don't know.
I'm excited you ever.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
I thought you were going to tell the book no, no,
to know that it's I need it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, okay, I gave you snippets. It gets raw in
the books. So anybody that's overly religious and sensitive. They
probably gonna be like she's a minister. She wrote, like,
I'm very real, I'm very transparent. God told me to
continue to be me. Would you know what you're human?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
That part you're human.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
But sometimes the church makes you feel like you cannot
be in church, people make you feel like you cannot
be human.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
But that's okay. You know I'm gonna be her.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
And so the book was written and it saw Amazon.
I did the stage play. I prayed that I could
take this worldwide. We did a few shows. We did
a couple of shows in Atlanta with Young Jock. We've had.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Who else? You went to Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I went to Charlotte, went to Real car So I
went to bat and Rouge with Darren Henson. We came
back to Atlanta with Mama d and Willie Taylor from
day twenty six And so the goal is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
How what's the play?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I remember Mama see I know some show now? Yeah?
It hip hop girl. You know I want to call
something for you because since I've been doing the show,
I've had so many opportunities working from any TV show,
any network. And what I've learned is so many people
listen to the show. So if you work anywhere where,

(01:08:05):
it could be in writing, you could be freelancing. If
you are somebody that can produce films, or you just
know someone and can send the email, please do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
If you are an angel, investor, a sensor, you just
want you just got money and don't know what to
do with and give it to me so I can
take your show around and then make a film. Obviously,
that's that's the go So.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I've given a twenty four. It's because listen, you gotta
think Zola, and this is way more interesting in Sola.
Sola came from tweets, and I think what we kind
of forget when we're sharing our story is to ask.
So I ask all the time, like do you know X,
Y Z and people I've given jobs to people to
ask me for stuff. Yeah you know. So you might
be watching this and may be connected in a way
that you don't even realize. But it's always very very

(01:08:47):
helpful when you're thinking of something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Why else? I say that too, whenever I hear a
good idea from somebody, I want to make money on
the idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all are. Girl. I
think you have all these different actors.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
I'm acting that yeah, yeah, yeah, no, this is this
is great and you guys supported us and helped us
become New York Times bestsellers. So if you're looking for
a book, this is non fiction, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
And so was our book.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
So make sure that you again support this independent book.
And and whenever you get it back to back on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
The road, let us know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
We would love to let our audience know where they
can come and find you online.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Oh I am on what all the platforms? Facebook, Instagram, TikTok,
is that anything else?

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
You give your name and we'll put minister Danny and
and it'll be in the description of this episode as well.
And thank you so much for coming on and sharing
your story.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Be too churchy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
So if y'all let the past, thank y'all listen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
I know, y'all, he wants to stay the happiness. But
you know what, I find that it's good to have
conversations that gets sticky because the thought is still there.
Yeah you know what I mean, Like now I gave
the trigger one and I'm over here. Yeah, not everything here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I always say you don't have to have done porn
or been a prostitute to relate to some aspect of
my story, whether it's self work, self worth, I'm sorry,
whether it's drugs, alcohol, whether it's molestation, essay, things of
that nature, or just you know the relationship with your
mother or your You are going to see something about
yourself within my story without having to tram It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, if you anything, you went there before I's in
that book. That's what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Thank friend, Well, thank you so so much for joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
This was wow different.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
You know, I know we've been doing the solo pods,
but hopefully you like the direction.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
But this was it had to be beyond saving them
to be happy. But they're gonna be real happy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
No, this was great, and I hope that you'all see
our improvement on our interview skills.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
You know you did very well, y'all, didn't y'all changed.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Look at Wazzy dressed. I'm I ain't never seen weazy
little wholesome. She looked like a wholesome point like she
just did my choir.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
I was telling me, I said, this was the outfit
when I go to my boyfriend's people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
So that's what I consider a church. Bi Barri and
I just knew I want you know they church too.
They do a Happy Birthday for like, there's a bunch
of nieces and nephews and after they sing Happy Birthday,
they start singing Jay you I'm not joking, singing for
Jesus too. Yeah, have birthday and then I'd be like
I I way to a threesome. Baby. Oh my godness.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Well, guys, hope you enjoyed this episode. Make sure again
you purchased from Porn to the Pulpit. Make sure you
also purchased no holds bar to doing manifesto Sexual Exploration
and Power, and make sure if you want the sex
and raws and the X rated ship, head on over
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(01:12:02):
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so much for tuning in to another episode of Decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Decisions should ask for donations? Yeah, passed off Patreon. Bye, y'all.

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