March 3, 2026 • 51 mins
Today on The Breakfast Club, 2 Chainz Opens Up About Purpose, His Father & The Voice In His Head. Listen for More!
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We got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Indeed, what.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Are y'all doing? Good morning? You and the family came
ready to be cold. Listen, you was just waiting on
your little.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
Because I watched the other interview. You can't get one
in right. He was so serious the whole time. So
you know, I rock with your police. I mean, yeah,
we we were. We just left in a you circuit
with my son and we was in Cincinnati and they
said it was gonna be cold there, but it wasn't freezing.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
But when we came to New York it was cold.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
That is the only day too, because the rest of
the week we're getting like sixty to seventy degrees.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Today is the only day you can wear that.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Bliss you because it's cold. It's my room, it's coold
new book.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
The voice in my head is God. I want to
ask what was the intention behind the outfit this morning?
Because then the bury me inside the Louis store chapter.
You say, every outfit has an intention, So what's what's
the energy other than it was cold?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
That's the energy that And it's like where else can
you wear like the hat in it? And you know,
I can't get this off in Atlanta, so this will
be the place. And I don't live in Canada, so
this will be the place. Tell you, man, what's happening.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
The voice in my head is God new book that's
out today. Make sure you go get it if you
haven't got it yet. Why was it the time to
write this book?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I just think that success without reflection is just noise.
You know what I'm saying, success without giving back is noise.
So I'm feeling successful. I think when you live long
enough to experience scars, when you want enough to have
the wisdom, you know, then it's time to write a
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book in my personal opinions, so.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You know, growth, maturation me.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
You know talking about are you talking about God in
this book through my personal experiences?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
So I just felt like, after you do for me,
I've done the albums, I've shot my short feelm and
I'm just ready to take more creative risks. And so
this doesn't feel like a risk because I feel like
this could this could motivate someone, this could help someone.
It's not generic, it's not cliche. I hadn't seen any
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other artists talk about, you know, intuition in the book space,
so just.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
You know, I wanted to on to one thing, the
biggest thing. Everybody takes a different part of what they
feel that they get out of the book.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
For myself is your relationship with your dad. And the
reason I say that is I have said and I'm
always very intentional of what I say to my kids, right,
because there's a line between being a dad and it's
a line with being a human being.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And I'll explain.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So with that relationship with your dad, was there I
know your dad moved in with you. Was those tough
conversations to have from to start him being incarcerated to
even at one time when when you know, when you
got into that incident in Alabama and your dad said,
well go get a gun and go handle yourself. You know,
how would those conversations had because I'm sure you wouldn't
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tell your kids that same thing, or would you.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
That's a good question, you know, Well, I think everybody
in here have lived through different eras, and you know
I'm from the boys don't cry era You.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Know what I'm saying. I'm from the that's weak, that's soft.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
My dad would say numerous amount of times that he
don't think a woman could raise a man, but he
wouldn't be there, you know what I'm saying out to be.
I mean, I can't change oil, change tires and stuff
like that. You know what I'm saying, Like somebody might
consider some man stuff, but I've cut the grass and
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done stuff like that, as y'all know recently. So I mean,
when I think about it's like he wasn't there to
teach me certain things that a man should know. And
I learned a lot of things on my own. And
you know, he was my first hero. He's my first
somebody you look up to, whether he was in constantraate
or just me hearing stories about him and me just
realizing that that DNA is inside of me. So what
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I passed that on? I think I broke that that
way of thinking. I think it stopped with me. You know,
I'm very you know, I'm not lenient to why I'm like, man,
you can cry anytime, you won't, But if my son
needs to cry about something that's bothered him or hurt
and I'm not like getting all over him about it.
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So I think it's just timing and where we are
in life right now. I don't know how you are
with your kids. But I'm a little bit more sensitive
to my kids, of course than my father was to me,
because he wanted me to be tough. He didn't I
hear stories my eyes tell me like if I would cry,
he didn't want nobody to pick me up.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't have Like.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's some baby pictures, but like all my baby pictures,
I'm sitting somewhere my mom beside me. She's not like
holding me, like you know what I'm saying. Like one
of the pictures I remember is like at the beach,
I'm sitting on the hood of a car. I'm like
not even one, and my mom got on a baby suit.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
She right beside me.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
But it's not really like a picture someone colling me
or anything.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But I mean, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
What did you learn about your own feelings throughout the
whole experience with your dad, so being able to spend
time with him and him moving in with you to
his passing, because you talk about it very stoically at first,
and then you talk up and then you we actually
get to hear you talk about finally being able to
cry and being able to like kind of get in
tune with yourself a bit.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah, well, his last his last few years, I said,
I talk about talk talk about it in the book.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Excuse me.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
He's getting out of prison, and you know, he's in
his late sixties, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
don't know, they might have been seventy something.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So when I go get.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Him, you know, that's when I had a conversation about, man,
you ought to move with me, Like this is just
crazy at this point, you know what I'm saying. And
the last time he did time he was probably two
or three years. But I just felt like it was time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I had my.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
First child and I had a house, and so, you know,
I remember stopping and getting him. He wanted to suit,
and then I remember stopping at a rise and he
wanted the phone, and he had some money, he had
a little money put up, you know somewhere, and we
just talked and he he said that he would, you know,
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he would, you know, think about it, and he ended
up eventually just you know, staying with me, which was
really cool. It was like we started building that relationship.
You know, I was so fond of him from a
distance because you know, when I was young, we got separated.
So just being in the same house, me learning his
little crazy ways and his sarcasm and everything, and so
you know, after he started getting sick, I was going
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I was starting at like this was like twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
My dad died in twenty twelve. My first album came
out of twenty twelve.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I was just so hot at the time, and so
Keisha would tell me, like, man, you know your dad didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Eat the day or he needn't do something. She just
tell me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And he was somebody that didn't want nobody to know
he was sick. He like such a man, he don't
want you to know he going through nothing, which is ridiculous.
And he went to the hospital one night, you know
what I'm saying. I end up going up there with him.
I ended up staying with him. I got it like
I just stayed with him for like a week or two,
you know what I mean. And I have shows that
I end up counseling. But I had this one particular
show in Savannah, which is like, I don't know, a
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couple hours from Atlanta. And I'm talking to him and
I'm like, I got this show in Atlanta. You're gonna
be cool tonight. You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be cool.
And then he says, you know, dope man, my role model.
I had a song called dope Man, my role Model
my mixtape. So he's so sarcast I'm like, bro, you straight,
you know what I'm saying. He gives me a fist
bump and says, do it big Apps, that's.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Our last name. I said, Okay, cool. I go to Savannah.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I don't even get the room I come back when
I when I come back here on his breathing thing,
I see it like boom, but I see him he
like looking at me.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I feel like he looking at me, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
While he's on his breathing thing, and he keep trying
to take the two by the throat and they keep
saying like if you if he takes that out, he
could he could die.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
So if he take that out, he can die. Now
now rewind this. I just got my part from prison.
So they saying the only way that he cannot take
it out is if they handcuff him to the bed.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So I say, okay, handcuff, and then I get to
thinking like something is telling me, like he don't want
to be handcuffed no more, you know what I'm saying.
So he handcuffed the bed. He looking at me and
his shit, you know, he's breathing. And I said, all right, man,
you know, take the handcuff. I'll take that and take
it off. Man, he don't want to be handcuffed. But
soon as the handcuff come off, he come to try
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to take that and they tell me if he take
it out it could scratch his and so and so
I swear to you I do that four times. Okay,
put the handcuffs back on, take the handcuffs back off.
Put the handcuffs back on them. And it's like he
just he's not looking straight home, looking to the side
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like this, you know what I mean. So I try
to hold his hands myself personally, like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Not chill, you know what I'm saying, Just chill keep
you know.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
And then you know a couple of days after that
or not even a day after that. You know what
I'm saying that the beets start going off. You know
what I'm saying. By me staying with him and the nurses,
I'm able to run, go, get the nurse. You know
what I'm saying, check it out. And they same thing
four times. Boom bom boom they hit them, bring them back.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Thank y'all, nurse.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
They walk out the room.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Man, man, look, man, don't you be doing Run out again?
Boomom do that the fourth time. Now they put me
out the room. So I'm looking through the the little window.
And so the fourth time, the lady come out and
she says, you know, I lost my father to if
he come back now, he'll be brain dead. We already
broke two ribs. You just gotta let it go. And
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I was like, that's easier say it than done, because
he just told me. Not only did he tell me
do it big, he told me before I went to Savannah,
I'm not gonna die no time soon. It came out
of his mouth and a he never told him no lot.
So I'm like, what happened from the time I went
to Savanna came back? But anyway, That's something that I
wouldn't say haunted or traumatized me. I know you're big
on therapy or whatever, and like this book is my therapy,
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like certain things I do is my therapy. I hadn't
actually sat down with someone, and I'm not against people
who who do or who have. But is it traumatic
seeing your father passed? It could be, yeah, But then
like a few years later, I had a son who
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reminds me so much of like how he moves and
his sarcasm as well.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
So questions based on what you just said, did reliving
that for the book make you cry again? Because you
said that was the first time you remember crying when man,
I cried so hard when that happened. I was listening,
I think, I even I'm trying to think about so
I might listen to it was a song, but not
when I was doing it in the book, because I'm
just I didn't.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I didn't. I didn't cry while writing the book. I
think because I've relived that so many times. It wasn't
like I buried it and then just brought it back
up like I relived my pots passing in front of me.
You know I've done that a few times.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So I think.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And then also I see now me talking about it, it
just becomes easier to talk about.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know, when you keep stuff bottle again or whatever.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And when you said when Halo was born in the book,
you I got to see the picture. That's I just
got to see the picture. You said you got the picture.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, but I'm just trying to show you.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I want to see the picture. You said it was
a picture of your father. The alarm went off in that,
all right, So don't even tell the story. I just
show you that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
It's hard to discussed this book because it's so much
that you want people to read and see for themselves.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
He just gave away, but it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So this this picture, all right, we'll explain. All right,
So this is all right, so let's talk about it.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
So, my son, Halo was born ten fourteen fifteen, Right,
me and Keisha was in the hospital, and my mom
and my two daughters was at home and they were
in our room in the master bedroom. Right, the alarm
went off at home while Halo was coming. The alarm
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went off same time. So why Keisha having Halo the
alarm going off and my mom is asking me, what's
the past? Word to tell the alarm people because it's
saying motion in the house or whatever. Now my mom
is on the phone saying, I swear, and I'm looking
at the cameras and I don't see anything coming into
the house.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I don't see the doors. I'm looking at all the doors.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
My mom said, I hadn't left the room, so I
don't know why the motion going off. I tell of
the code it goes off. We have halo, we come home,
all right, We're getting our alarm updated. And then Keisha
looks at her email. And when you have motion, it
takes pictures. It takes snapshots of what the motion is.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Okay, when we.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Looked at the motion, you can see you can see somebody,
you know what I'm saying, And it was my It
was my father. Now my father left in twenty twelve.
This was twenty fifteen. You can see an image. So wow,
people that I'm close to a couple of friends, I'm close.
So I showing a picture. I'm like, who is it? Like,
that's part right there. I'm like, look at the date
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and like my friends begetting big old chill goosebumps or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
My father used to walk around the house like with
his shirt off. He was in good shape to be seventy.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Like. He wasn't like fast and slop. He was in
the arm and so he had something.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
But I'm gonna find and so another thing about this,
and this is my personal opinion. He's so sarcastic that
when I used to try to show people, I could
not find a picture.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
So I gave a picture to Keisha. I said, Keisha,
when I try to show people, that makes it sound
like I'm crazy. I don't have a picture. So we
go to Florida one time. I'm not even looking back there.
I know she knows I talking about I go to
Florida one time. I don't got the picture them. I
can't find what happened in Florida. You remember.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Anyway, anyway, my phone fell in was She probably don't
remember this, but she does remember this when I said this.
But we was on a boat. We got off a
boat and then her phone down there fell in the water.
And when my phone fell in the water, I said, damn,
that's all. I don't think about the context. I'm like,
this is my proof, this is my proof that golds
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are real.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Or whatever. You know what I mean. Boom.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Okay, So I get to looking because I know exactly
when the date was, because I know when Halo was born.
I pull up the picture again. So now I got it.
So I give it to my cousin I'm always with
outside cat. I gave it the cat like cat, you
keep this picture?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Boom. So this is crazy.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
So this is I go over the back in the day,
I go over to the Yate house, right, and I'm telling
him the same story. I'm like, bro, this has happened
to me. I'm trying to tell him what happened. And
this is man, you know, I'm the coolest player in
the world. Man, it's like food around It's like lemonade,
you know what I'm saying. So I can't find a picture,
so I say, cat, cat with my tother come in, man,
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give me the picture of popus mess. I can show
while he giving me the picture, Bro, I'll knock over
a big thing of lemonade everywhere on everybody. Like you
know what I'm saying. I'm such a player. I ain't
never done nothing like that, you know what I'm saying.
So in my mind, I'm like, bro, this is how
my dad is he like be on some joking. So
you got me looking crazy here. I don't waste lemonade
on everybody the table. This ain't even nothing I do,
you know what I mean? But anyway, that's another story.
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Let me find a picture all right right here? Let
me see I email myself so at one loute. Okay,
this is not why he's looking.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Why he's looking at the picture the book on to
change dot com.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You have a chance to win.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Courts to change book to change book dot com. To
change book, go to changebook dot com. I do gotta
sweepstakes for people. They can sit next to me at
a Hawks game. Yeah you know, uh, of course that
I'm very close. I come in through the owner's lounge.
It's a whole experience. I do have this little uh
side note this disclaimer. Women, I'm gonna be smelling good.
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I'm gonna be looking good. If you have a crazy
man at home, articulate that to him. Men, I'm not
gonna be talking through the whole game. Right, we can talk,
but I'm gonna really be watching the game.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
A rapper win. I hope somebody trying to make.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
It trying to like you. You sing all your songs
the whole time.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Can you get that picture because you know I'm trying
to show them and you know what's going on. Up
hop up if you see anything, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, I see something in the picure?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Can wait only he h m hm.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So question for you, right, Charlamagne. Believe you by the way,
but you can see Charlemagne face.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You know I ain't.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But the reason that because that happened to him in
Prince he took.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
This is a spirit.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He took a picture and the picture I want to are.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
You okay what I've seen it? Okay? Oh wow, that's
a whole person. Yes, I thought it was going to
be like not that.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
How you used to walk around the shirt walking that's
him walking through the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I know you're saying the book too that you feel like,
until you had your son, your dad hadn't like crossed
over to the other side.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's my assumption, right, this is my mom.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
My mom is super, super spiritual, right, so she was
probably like, you know, he probably come to fuck with
me before you know what I mean, probably come over
to the fuck with me, just you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's how she kicked the light before he left. But
so the.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Voices that you were hearing there, because I know you
have been hearing voices in your head and hearing God
for a long time. Do you know which ones might
have been your Dad because he was there with you,
or it was the God connection that you haven't you
hear in God during that word?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So this experience right here, when this happened, this would
have been twenty fifteen. I'm not even sure if I
was fully committed to just given the voice. It's credit
for my success. Now, That's why I said when he
asked me when it's timeing to write a book, It's
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like I've lived and had enough experience in trial and
error with listening not listening, moving through fear, moving through
ego to let you know, like this voice, it got
to be God. The reason I call it the voice
of God because the voice would be like my intuition,
it would be my my my alignment. You know what
I'm saying that that's what the voice. But when I
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say God, I know everybody's not into God. But I
had to give the credit to somebody higher than myself.
You know what I'm saying, for this superpower, whatever the
hell like for me, I got a real picture of
my dad three years after he passed. Like, this is
not something and I don't. It's my first time ever
ever talking about it, feeling comfortable talking about it, showing
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somebody that I feel like is understands like a deeper
mean of like spirits and everything, like because I don't
fully understand.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
My father.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
You know, you see they be like people come to
you in dreams, people you know, do stuff like that.
I can't say that he did that, you know what
I'm saying, But I can tell you that I do
have a divine guidance in me that helps me make decisions,
whether it's business decisions, relationship decisions, whatever it is. And
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it's a voice that could probably be too noisy to
certain people, but I welcome that voice. So this book
is I put this book together to help somebody and
to motivate somebody to shut down the outside noise. And
this is also for anybody who's ever said, like something
told me, like something told me to get this job,
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wear this hat, or whatever it is. It's like it's
that something told me thing. You know what I'm saying
is that or something told me don't go to this
place and this happened, something told me don't whatever it is,
you know, and we've all said that when we missed
the flight, Well that's God trying to Maybe I wasn't
supposed to get on it, you know what I mean.
So why can't that inner dialogue be that? Why if
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they say God is inside of you, and why can't
your blessings come from within on how you are on
the surface. You're a positive person on the surface, then
your blessings coming with it. This is my experience, this
is my opinion.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
So what do you trust that voice though? Because you
talk about in the book many times when you didn't
trust that voice. You heard it and you were like, nah.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
You got to be you got to go through the
experience right to see, like what was that for.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You that said I need to start trusting this voice.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I don't want to use like a tragic experience experience,
but like the voice comes before something happens, right, So
it's hard to like pay at attention because you don't
know what's about to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Alabama, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Alabama, my Cali experience, these different experiences that I had,
I felt something I did, I put this on everything
I felt something, something told me, you know what I'm saying,
but you don't have.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
A crystal ball in order to see it.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
So that's why I'm using all these experiences in the
book to tell you, like how I listen and maybe
then fully you know what I mean, not just what
was going on or when I did, and that positive
outcomes that came from them. You know, I woke up
sometimes to be like something told I need to do
this today.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know what I mean. I do that a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Actually, you know what I mean, And it's just a
message I'm just trying to bring the people.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
The book is about God and you first recognized in
that voice, But to me, it's also a love letter
to your mom and your pop. So so when did
you first recognize God in them?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Mom?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Church going, still go, just went yesterday? Mom went yesterday.
I checked on her, uh my part. When he was
in prison, he wrote which is which helped me come up.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
With the title too.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
He used to write God is Love on the back
of his prison letters, and one day I took the
got the ears out and I put an equal sign
like God he is Love. So I was like, it
just made so much sense to me because if it's
love there, then it's God there. That's what I think.
You know what I'm saying, And it was hey, there,
then I can't be God. And that's how I decipher
what that voice was. So yeah, I've had that that
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kind of spiritual upbringing, like i'm'a. I'm'a. I'm from a
praying family. You know what I'm saying. I encourage my
kids to pray, So it's something I believe in and
I talk. I pray before my show, I pray before
I rap at night.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Bruh.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
I just you know what I'm saying. I just be
praying sometime. I be praying on stage when I'm killing it.
I look up, man, think you know, think, man, you
ain't nobody you know what I mean, because it's just
a certain order you get when you when you tapped in,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
Real And you said you always wanted to write a book.
Did you think that it would be this?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No? No?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
But you know most artists they do an autobiography and
then they talk about how they have nothing to eat.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know what I'm saying. Artists are the poorest. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Nothing, no education, no nothing, no I finished high school,
I have a college degree. I don't be on none
of that, you know what I'm saying. And I still
have my struggles that I deal with, and so when
it was time for me to do the book, I
wanted to be in my own lane like I do
with anything else. If you all noticed, I don't following
over really no trends. I'm so comfortable in my skin,
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it's it's scary sometimes.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
M I know you said you don't need therapy, but
you've been in some real life ramatic situations like you
just named two of them, Alabama.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
The Cali one.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I didn't even know it went to that where he
was standing over you and all of that. I don't
know why I never've heard that part of the story.
But it's any out of that impact the way you move.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Like now, well.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
You know now I'm gonna say something cliche. I mean,
it's some here for a Reese. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's something, But it really does though.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Like I'm in my forties, just got my physical a
couple of weeks ago, no cholesterol, diabetes, hot blood pressure,
work out three times a week at he you gangs
a rapid night. I eat healthy, drink a lot of water,
don't get enough sleep. But that's like something I can
work on. But you know, I'm just you know, I'm
(24:51):
in a I'm in a good I'm in a good place.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Man. No PTSD, no stress, no, no.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Not that I know of, Like I don't have any
Like I did take psychology in college, so and I
loved it. Like when I got in psychology, it wasn't
even my major. I remember changing to the major life
maybe like I remember finding out something about myself studying
the actual course, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And so with me.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
The therapy aspect, you know, I do have like some
little triggers. I do have triggers, but I want to
say I'm kind of conscious of them, and I'll probably be.
I'm probably doing some self evaluation, you know what I mean.
I hadn't sat down and really liked kicked it off.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
I'm not against therapy though, I'm not against therapy. But
I have went through things and I've gotten over them
and I've moved on. And I went through some dramatic
stuff too. But I just feel like God, when you
I feel I believe so much in God that I
just didn't didn't let that hold me back. I didn't
let it bring me PTSD. I ain't like, man, you
know what happened to me. I'm crazy, Like I ain't.
(26:01):
People need excuses to be you know, man, you don't
even know. Man, I was, you know, and I ain't
on that.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
You know, I know that you see that you're deeply
grounded in family. Came here with your family. How did
you know that your wife, Keisha was the person that
got intended for you?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Something told me, something told me she was the one key.
She used to write.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
She still does, but she you know, I said this,
she used to go to church and she used to
write notes, and I was like, okay, and like real
life then the powerpoints type of stuff of like what
they was talking about the church. So I liked that
she was God fear and I liked that she was
just a natural beautiful woman inside and out. And you know,
(26:42):
having somebody like that in the industry, it's like being
in the industry and having you know, somebody that you
care about it is like not the easiest thing to navigate.
So you got to just you know, for me, just
keep on the pedestal. Let let her know that she
she is mine. She's the one point.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
How do you separate the vine and guidance from just
wanting something really bad?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's a good one.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
My question is easier than that.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
You ain't what the heck you're working though you're getting
what I'm saying, But but it's sty good the divine God.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Keep going, keep working, you know when people do look
at your paper, Just keep going. You almost finished the
divine guidance aspect.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Or if you just want something, So, if you just
want something really bad, is that are you saying?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Like manifesting something?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
You know you have a you have something in your
mind that you want, like I want this goal, I
want to accomplishment, accomplish it. But that don't mean that's what
God wants you to be doing.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I believe in speaking things into AI do I believe
in manifestation. Now, if you want to do something that
don't got love and I believe like he don't got
nothing to do with I say, God is love.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
God equals love.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
So you might want to be on some that ain't
got nothing to do with love, and he not going
to answer the phone for that. But if you want
something and they got love attached to it too. I
think he'll answer and listen. I mean, you already know
what's going on. So that's my personal because I have
one of some of them. Another thing is we have
to teach some of the youth the difference between needs
and wants. I think they got it, like some of
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it confused, you know what I'm saying. And it's a difference.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
So how have you always Because every interview I watched
you and I know we talked that culture kind before too.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I feel that was good. Thank you, no, thank you.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I feel like every time I listen to you speak,
even when you were younger, it seems like you always
understood the difference between your needs and your wants and
separated the two. How did you have that so young?
Like doing so many different things from college to being
in streets.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Like So I'm going to tell you another pop story.
So Pop, my pop used to go in the store.
He used to steal, and then he used to get
mad at me because he would just stop abruptly, and
then I would hit him in the back of the
achilles with like the buggy. When I him in the
back of the leg with the buget heud get mad
as hell, and so then I'll get like thirty feet
away from him, and then we're getting the car and
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he'll start taking stuff like out his sock. He would,
you know, the long socking. He puts stuff on his jean.
And then he told me, he said, he told me, kids,
don't listen to me or my pops on this, because
now I listen to it don't make sense, But he said, steal,
(29:33):
steal what you need, not what you want. And so
he was going to the store and steal like things
that he felt like we need for the house, whether
it was.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Taller trees or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You know what I'm saying, It'll be that it wouldn't
be like snacks or or gum or nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And that makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah, but you don't want people to think, man, I
need this watch, you know what I'm saying, Because that's
why I say, they don't know what needs.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And wants are.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
But my pop, so for a long time, I used
to steal stuff, you know, but I would stand in
line with a pack of gum on everything I love.
I'll just be like, I'll just be waiting to pay
for the gum.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know what I'm saying. But if it was something I.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Needed, I already had it home, Like I really need this,
I take that and couldn't afford it, I would take it.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You think reading the book, right, do you think God
gave you the plugs?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You TraFi, you think God gave you read it. He
was like, it was a blessing that got the plug.
God gave me this plug.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I'm like, because your plug.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Could be how have you got this job? Whatever? You
know got opening up so many doors for me? But yes,
how I got it?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
And so many people that do what I do never
had a plug, and they'll tell you how miserable their
hustling experience was. Once you get somebody that you can call.
And this is just once again, this is my These
are my theories, right, you know what I'm saying. But
I I'm not looking for a plug.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I find this guy that essentially helped change the way
I was moving and living up to now.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It was a little finesse in one of your plugs.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Now, yeah it was a little little Yeah that was finesse. Yes,
that was finesse, but it was it was It was
a sign of intelligence too.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It was the signs of intelligence, right because.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I'm able to I'm hearing what's going on, and I
know how important it is to have one because I don't.
At this point, I already had a plug. So I'm
hearing like so, I'm like, so I didn't even take
buddy plug. That's just kind of like would come in
the street. I never was like a person that robbed anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I won't say this.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
The reason I do agree with him when he said
for him, for him because he was the weed man.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
We man different than like the other guy that's telling
the hardship.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
We man. Weed brings you love, you know, weed man man,
and you know how it is you.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I mean, you get a feature. I was smoking. We
were then artist. When you're coming up when you smoke
like man, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Let's wrap.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
You know, things can happen man, you know. So it
helped me out tremendously. I got some of my stuff
may sound really really off, but if you just if
I have Charlemagne with me, he'll help you.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I read.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I'm like, God gave me the plug, like.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, he was the weed man. That's the difference.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
A man different when you got that.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Everybody has those experiences though, where you're like, yo, if
I had to talk about this again, nobody would be
But I think that's favor too. Like I was watching
a sermon yesterday and Pastor Mike, like Junior, he was saying,
you're yes to God breaks cycles and then that comes
with a whole level of divine favor that like you
couldn't even explain it to people and the feeling of
it if you try to. And a lot of your
story is that it's like you have this personal one
(32:53):
on one that like we would never really get. It's
funny to hear.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
But the story about my dad cross snow, it's something
I never knew how to even tell nobody. You had
to be like I probably told eight people my whole life,
and this happened in twenty fifteen. I just showed my
kids recently because I thought that they would be you
know ready.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But you even named all your kids something spiritual.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Well, Keisha started off, she named our first baby Heaven.
She named the first two Heaven Harmony, and then I
came with the halo.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I sprinkled that south Side. That's fine.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
How has emotional maturity changed the way you hear that
inner voice, that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Emotional maturity change.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
How I hear the inner voice, my emotional maturity change, how.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
I hear MYO.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Uh oh, yeah, I can answer that. So my emotional
maturity changed how I heard the inner voice because I'm
able to want one decipher if it's love or hate,
because cause we all got a fucking voice too. We
all got a voice that we've all said fucking and
done and done some things, and some it sometimes came
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back to bite us in the button sometimes it happened.
But right now, I think with the emotional intelligence, it
comes with it comes with growth, it comes with age,
and it comes with experience, right and it just comes
with life. It comes with life situations, it comes with
life choices. And so for some of the things that
I touched on in this book, you literally have to
live long enough. Like this book can't be written by
a teenager or somebody in their twenties. This is my
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personal opinion. This book is like experience based. At the
same time, I'm just not running off some ideas and
stuff like this. This is this is stuff that you
know I've been through, or someone that's been through, or
you know something and there was a voice there. It
was a voice there during all of these situations.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Has there ever been a time where that voice led
you somewhere painful?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But you but you realized it was necessary.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
And I don't mean by not listening to it, like
you actually listen to it in this still let you
somewhere where you was like, it's not what I thought
was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Mm hmm. When I listened to my voice, I have listen, bro,
this is This is how insane it is.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I listened to it. It'll tell me what time to
go to the gym, tell me what time to lead
to go get my son. They'll tell me what right,
what route to take him. It'll tell me what tell
me what we need to eat, what he needs to eat.
It'll tell me what route to go home. I can
go home three or four different ways. They tell me
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that man, don't go that way, Man go this way.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Man.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
And and this has been happening for a long time,
but I ain' used to pay no attention. Util I
ran into a road block and you'd be like, oh, man,
I know.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I shouldn't have came this way. You know what I'm saying.
But this was early on, when I was maneuvern.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But the voice is something that I that I hear
a lot that it was hard for me to really
articulate without saying I had an imaginary friend of something
like that when I'm sitting in the corner and I'm
going back and forth and I'm ide eight between me
(36:03):
and my voice. But I think it was very important
at this time for me to write this literature because
I feel like it's gonna help if it helps one person,
which I've already received multiple text messages from people who
got advanced copies on the voice in their head and
the something told me and them listening more closely.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So that's what this is for. That's why the timing
is for.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
You know, I've been in front of you guys many
a times talking about many of different projects, but I
just keep going into my creative bag coming up with
something that I think can help my community. This is
like a community outreach project. This is for my community. Bro,
It's like this for my community. People give away turkeys,
people do all kinds of stuff. This book is for
my community. I feel like I've been just holding on
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hoarding like this secret, sauce, this secret like man Tony,
how you keep I got partner, man, How you keep man,
what I'm telling you, man, try and try and try
and try, just try, just try try two weeks, like,
just try.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Did you really think you were Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Mm hmm. I was just messing with my mama. My mama,
My mama.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Got she she she been with my daddy this whole time,
so she knows sarcasm, right. So I had, you know,
I broke my broke my elbow and my knee. But
they put my they'll just put me to sleep, apop
my elbow back in place.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Boom.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
And it's on her birthday. She done left her birthday
party being in the hospital with me. So I'm coming
up out of the anesthesia and they're.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like, miss you okay, missed up, You're okay. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
mister up.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
And I kind of look over I look over there,
I see you my mom. I see my mom, Like
you're okay, and like yeah, like, what's your name? Say
your whole name? I said, Michael Jackson. She said, I'm
getting an up. She got up and left. Man, I
don't know, I don't know, man. I'm an optimistic person. Man,
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I'm just optimistic if something bad happened me. I just
I turn it over. I just try to find the good.
And it's some good in here somewhere. It got to be,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
You talk about rebranding and reinvention a lot in the book, like,
do you ever worry that when you are constantly evolving
can disconnect you from your from your core?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
No, you have to do that, You have to. I
have to.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
I'm showing people, but I'm not like being preachy when
I'm showing people how to move and how businesses move.
If you look up McDonald's sprites, everybody rebrands. They don't
exactly change their name, but they rebrand, they change the arts,
they do something they you know what I mean. And
so for me, I'm a business. Two change is a
brand and I have a new logo. I got a
new logo. I'm about to launch, you know, this week
or next week. So for me, you know, I've been
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too changed. Titty Boy, met Tony and Janie's son, I'm hell,
we've killer. But I mean I'm looking at other successful
people that pull this stuff before. I mean, I know
Jay has a couple of names. A couple people I
know have a couple of names, and it's just like
a part of me. I'm also giving that knowledge. I
was like, man, I got some game, and sometimes this
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book is a way to spread it to the masses
and instead of just talking to one individual. So I
think it's important that you know a lot of people
be like man. You know, I've had artists asked me
should they changed their name? You know what I'm saying,
Should I change my name? Like I know you did it, bro,
you know what I mean? And stuff like that. So
it's whatever works for you. But I think it's important
that you you revisit your brand every three to five years.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Three to five.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Years, that's mine. I go in there and I see
what I can tweet, turn do whatever.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
I love the book man, because you make you make ambition.
You look at it as something spiritual, like I think
sometimes people have this this hunger and they dress it
up as faith. But like to me, you actually approach
ambition as something spiritual.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Can we can't You can't buy ambition. You can't go
to Amazon. You lazy.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
You need some take something to give you. You taking
something to get you injured. But that ain't the ambition.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I got that. I got the self motivation. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
I the boys starts there, anybody to get your ass up.
You ain't got no big home, You ain't got nobody's
gonna do this for you, ain't got no friend you
can call on. You ain't got nobody. So like it
all falls on me. So yeah, I'm operating and definitely
in that space.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
The one thing I wanted you to talk about in
the book is why you chose Alabama because over South
Carolina State.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Did you talk about it in the book.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
No, So I got recruited by South Carolina South Carolina State.
I was going to Memphis. When I got I was
going to Memphis. That's what I was gonna commit to.
I like Memphis because Penny Hardaway had went there. I
was like this little skinny, scrowny point guard two guard,
and I just wanted to just following those steps. So
when I got locked up in high school, Alabama State
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was the first school they called me.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
They got in touch with me. They called me.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
They were very like, you know, compassionate about what I
went through, and they offered me a full ride scholarship.
I already had the grades they offered me a full
ride scholarship. And they also I had peers that went
down there from my school life, so I knew some
knew some kids down there. It was two hours from
the house. And you know in the book, first chapter two,
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I went down there playing. I went down to the
plane when I first went down there, at them you
know the Alabama boy they show they see it being
and I ended up going down there, and then I
lost my love for basketball the same year I went
down there because the coaches that called me and they
were so excited about having the opportunity to work with me,
they got fired. New coaches came in, New coaches came in,
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they brought players in, and then I just remember my
passion for hooping starting to diminish, because at this point
I still wasn't like rapping or anything.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I was just like trapping and hooping.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, because in the book, I thought you said that
in the book because you said it was somebody knew
down there and it was close to.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
The close to the crib, and you said you.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Started playing ball, and then what really turned you on
You said it was when the flood happened.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
My dorm well my dorm flooded, But that just made
me get a spot off campus. You know, I still
was dealing in the parameters of a student athlete. I
still was I was I was going to class, you know,
I was going to class. I was doing everything. I
just I'm already living a certain lifestyle. I'm already got
a little hustle going I go down there. I got
three cars already. I'm literally driving a different car Monday, Wednesday,
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and Friday, just because I can. I'm on that type
of time and so but I'm I'm a I'm a
learning junkie too. I love to learn even now I
love I mean, learning is so fast right now, is insane,
you know what I'm saying, like trying to learn what's
going on in the words. But you know, originally meant
I enjoyed learning new information. I just you know what
I mean, I love it. So it was never a
situation where I if I wasn't on campus, I wasn't
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gonna go to school. I still was going to handle
my responsibility. So I just talk about that in the
books as wonder, and that's that's one of the things
that push me into being independent too. You go to
college you know, you stay on campus. Then when you
get your crib off, this is your first home. This
is your crib.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You know, you start becoming, like, you know, a grown up.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You wouldn't met your queen either if you didn't go down.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah true.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
My last question, if that voice in your head told
you to walk away from rap tomorrow, would you listen.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
That's a great question because I love rap music so
much and I feel like, you know, I love it.
He wouldn't do He wouldn't do that, you know what
I'm saying. I love it, and one of the things
I love about it is that I still have good ideas,
whether for me or anybody else. When I say ideas,
not just in rap, but after the wrap, the market
(43:28):
and the title, the fonts, shades like I'm into all
like even this right here. This is a black artist
named the Reese He's dope, man. He's just like he's
not with a gallery or anything. The Reese Walker. I
found him online. He does this little like pastel dope.
This is art like he drew.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
He drew this of me. This is not a picture.
He drew this whole thing.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
And I just like, I just like, I don't know,
curating dope stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
So and you still do that without rap.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
If God said to jan and I want you to
put that, if I heard him as clear as you
saying that, yeah, I probably would because I feel like
he got something bigger for me. And so he wants
me to probably start going to sleep at night, getting
up early or something like that, which I haven't done.
And since my father passed, I sleep in the daytime.
Only was sleep at night.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So you're writing books now, you got the podcast?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
You know, me and Halo Me and Halo podcast. Check
that out?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (44:21):
What do you do at night?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Then if you like what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
You just like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Are you not sleeping? You do?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I sleep at night?
Speaker 8 (44:29):
Y'all know.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
What time I go to sleep?
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Six seven?
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I got kids, yell it out.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Halo told me we was retiring this year. I think
he said on the podcast, like we had to let
it go or something for something.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Man.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Yeah, yeah, but I go to sleep around six six
or seven, and then I get up around what time
I get up.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Twelve one?
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Is that because of your music? Artists like, because a
lot of artists are like that too, Where they're up
on it.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
I've been doing that ever since the kids knowing me. Okay,
Harmony thirteen, But what.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Are you doing?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Are you writing?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Are you I'm in I'm in a studio space when
I'm doing something ambitious to help my career go further.
And that is the time when all the noise is
shut off for me. All the people that I love
should be in the bed sleep. I don't receive phone
calls that lay nobody calling me saying they needed I
can actually concentrate on the task at hand, whatever that is.
(45:42):
And those are my hours that I can just lock
in from probably twelve to six or something like that.
I started working at night round eleven to twelve. From
twelve to six is really just really really my time,
really need time. I don't have to worry about you
know what I'm saying. I mean, of course I worry
about people, but it's just really my time. I don't
have anything else my mind with me and the task
at hand.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
And that's therapeutic for you.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
That's so therapeutic for me.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
I wouldn't know what to do, Like like Keisha hates
when I'm at home that in those times because she
trying to sleep.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
And I'm moving around up and Man.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
Just the other day, I was just doing the most
craziest stuff, man, because I had to be up at seven.
So I'm like, Man, do I go to sleep or
do I just stay up to seven? So I'm trying
to figure it out. She's like, what you're doing home?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
This thing?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
No? She look at me. I'm standing out the window
like Malcolm X. I'm just looking out the one, you
know what. I'm saying stuff like this, I really need
some asphalts so I can. I'm just looking at stuff
at the house. I'm just looking at the driveway. I
need to do this round about over. I'm looking at
the tennis court and got the light out there on
the court.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I'm looking. I'm like, man, we should use this more often.
We just.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
With my mind and my like, I'm not sleepy, I'm
not tired, I'm not ying at because my body trying.
I'm almost like a new boring. I'm trying to sleep
from like seven to five. I mean, I'm sorry, five hours,
seven to twelve. I'm trying to sleep like that long,
but the longest, like literally since twenty twice of my
pop died. I hadn't really slept in night time.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, m hm, well the book is out today.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
This is the book is god? Are you looking at this?
This is dope. There's a ham some picture on the
back as well. Man, look if you open this up,
this is something something told me. So I'm gonna challenge
you'll go to two chainsbook dot com, enter the Sweet
States to sit next to me at the hoss game.
You have to March eleventh to do that. But this
right here, tell me what does something tell you?
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Bo? I guess something told.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
You give me some give me an example, something told
you give me.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
An exam where.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
So what I'm saying, what so you was pulling stuff?
Tell me how to tell me how that went?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So I woke up under this.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
It's crazy though. So that yeah, because I was.
Speaker 9 (47:59):
Gonna wake up early and do my little you know,
my little curling joint. But I ain't have enough time
because I was I was going to questions for my book,
you know what I'm saying, because I start.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Person this week.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
So I got up.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
I ain't have enough time for that. So I was like,
you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna wear my hat.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
Something told you to put I mean you got other
hats though, what made you get put that one on?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (48:19):
Like the funny is I want to go with the
little suit and go with the you know, the bodysuit.
I just got these new nikes.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
I know they courting. Okay, give me an example. Something
told you.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I told them that today I'm learn how to ski today.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Something told you, like you just sitting there like, man,
you know it is my son's snowboards and I took
them on the mountain the other day and I felt
bad because I couldn't go with him on the mounta
because I don't know how to score snowboard to ski.
So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna learn
how to ski, so next time we go, I can
get on that.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I'm good father.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
So absolutely.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
Something told me I need to go back home this
weekend spender time with my family.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Something told me that two Chains had an amazing book
that he needed to get published, and that's why you're
in them.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (49:08):
Hold on, you knew you wanted to write a book,
But did you go to him and say, hey, it's
time or did how did that?
Speaker 5 (49:13):
No, he just knew I'm a successful black dude, so
he tried to cap in on my success because he
know I'm a winner.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Else he changes the plug. I wouldn't have Crystal franchises
if it.
Speaker 7 (49:24):
Wasn't and people don't talk enough about you and your
involvement in the Crystal franchise.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
My environment in the culture is crazy, you know what
I'm saying. I am the pictures, I am the mood
boy for a lot of stuff going on. I'm humble
and quiet sometimes a lot of the times. But I
could see how what my influence has done for even
my whole city.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Like man, listen.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
Esco and the Esco franchise ten years. I owned the
Dirt five years before I started running the business, own
the vertically candy Land. There's no other person my age,
my democratic that owns a my demographic, that owns an
adult entertainment. You to get a permit to be nude
and have alcoholis they stop issuing those in nineteen ninety three?
(50:09):
You have to biytos for an extremely high price from
somebody who sets it. A lot of the even the
G League team being connected to the Linta Hawks, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Even having an association with that.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
It's just a lot of things that I see that
I try to open up like in this book and
let my peers know, like this is what's going on,
and this is how I'm even making these business decisions
based off Like of course I have a lawyer, I
have management, but I got this voice going on with
me too, and but I do have you know, the
crystal situation shot the Jernamthan just shot that everybody that
(50:46):
I became partners with. I think collaborating. Collaborating is a
good thing, not only a music but in business too.
And my secret to that is finding someone that's passionate
in whatever you're trying to do and collaborate with and
then you can have success in the field. So I
said to say that the person I'm collaborating with the
ESCO there, they're passionate about the hospitality space.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
They don't have a special seasoning or sauce. It's bigger
than that. You got to know this space.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
The person that I'm in the strip club visits is
passionate about that business. So it's just and Jonathan is
passionate about crystals, and this man is passionate about giving back.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
To our community. So that's how a lot of things
line up.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
There you have it.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
It's two changed ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Get the book today, thank y'all.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
And it's the Breakfast Club, Good morning.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Every day. Click yours up, the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You don't finish for y'all.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Done,
Every day a week ago, clicks up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You don't finished for y'all done morning.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody's d J n V. Just hilarious.
Speaker 4 (00:10):
Charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast Club law the
Roses here as well.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
We got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Indeed, what.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Are y'all doing? Good morning? You and the family came
ready to be cold. Listen, you was just waiting on
your little.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
Because I watched the other interview. You can't get one
in right. He was so serious the whole time. So
you know, I rock with your police. I mean, yeah,
we we were. We just left in a you circuit
with my son and we was in Cincinnati and they
said it was gonna be cold there, but it wasn't freezing.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
But when we came to New York it was cold.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
That is the only day too, because the rest of
the week we're getting like sixty to seventy degrees.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Today is the only day you can wear that.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Bliss you because it's cold. It's my room, it's coold
new book.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
The voice in my head is God. I want to
ask what was the intention behind the outfit this morning?
Because then the bury me inside the Louis store chapter.
You say, every outfit has an intention, So what's what's
the energy other than it was cold?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
That's the energy that And it's like where else can
you wear like the hat in it? And you know,
I can't get this off in Atlanta, so this will
be the place. And I don't live in Canada, so
this will be the place. Tell you, man, what's happening.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
The voice in my head is God new book that's
out today. Make sure you go get it if you
haven't got it yet. Why was it the time to
write this book?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I just think that success without reflection is just noise.
You know what I'm saying, success without giving back is noise.
So I'm feeling successful. I think when you live long
enough to experience scars, when you want enough to have
the wisdom, you know, then it's time to write a
(01:58):
book in my personal opinions, so.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You know, growth, maturation me.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
You know talking about are you talking about God in
this book through my personal experiences?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
So I just felt like, after you do for me,
I've done the albums, I've shot my short feelm and
I'm just ready to take more creative risks. And so
this doesn't feel like a risk because I feel like
this could this could motivate someone, this could help someone.
It's not generic, it's not cliche. I hadn't seen any
(02:38):
other artists talk about, you know, intuition in the book space,
so just.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
You know, I wanted to on to one thing, the
biggest thing. Everybody takes a different part of what they
feel that they get out of the book.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
For myself is your relationship with your dad. And the
reason I say that is I have said and I'm
always very intentional of what I say to my kids, right,
because there's a line between being a dad and it's
a line with being a human being.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And I'll explain.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So with that relationship with your dad, was there I
know your dad moved in with you. Was those tough
conversations to have from to start him being incarcerated to
even at one time when when you know, when you
got into that incident in Alabama and your dad said,
well go get a gun and go handle yourself. You know,
how would those conversations had because I'm sure you wouldn't
(03:30):
tell your kids that same thing, or would you.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
That's a good question, you know, Well, I think everybody
in here have lived through different eras, and you know
I'm from the boys don't cry era You.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Know what I'm saying. I'm from the that's weak, that's soft.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
My dad would say numerous amount of times that he
don't think a woman could raise a man, but he
wouldn't be there, you know what I'm saying out to be.
I mean, I can't change oil, change tires and stuff
like that. You know what I'm saying, Like somebody might
consider some man stuff, but I've cut the grass and
(04:11):
done stuff like that, as y'all know recently. So I mean,
when I think about it's like he wasn't there to
teach me certain things that a man should know. And
I learned a lot of things on my own. And
you know, he was my first hero. He's my first
somebody you look up to, whether he was in constantraate
or just me hearing stories about him and me just
realizing that that DNA is inside of me. So what
(04:34):
I passed that on? I think I broke that that
way of thinking. I think it stopped with me. You know,
I'm very you know, I'm not lenient to why I'm like, man,
you can cry anytime, you won't, But if my son
needs to cry about something that's bothered him or hurt
and I'm not like getting all over him about it.
(04:55):
So I think it's just timing and where we are
in life right now. I don't know how you are
with your kids. But I'm a little bit more sensitive
to my kids, of course than my father was to me,
because he wanted me to be tough. He didn't I
hear stories my eyes tell me like if I would cry,
he didn't want nobody to pick me up.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't have Like.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's some baby pictures, but like all my baby pictures,
I'm sitting somewhere my mom beside me. She's not like
holding me, like you know what I'm saying. Like one
of the pictures I remember is like at the beach,
I'm sitting on the hood of a car. I'm like
not even one, and my mom got on a baby suit.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
She right beside me.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
But it's not really like a picture someone colling me
or anything.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But I mean, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
What did you learn about your own feelings throughout the
whole experience with your dad, so being able to spend
time with him and him moving in with you to
his passing, because you talk about it very stoically at first,
and then you talk up and then you we actually
get to hear you talk about finally being able to
cry and being able to like kind of get in
tune with yourself a bit.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah, well, his last his last few years, I said,
I talk about talk talk about it in the book.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Excuse me.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
He's getting out of prison, and you know, he's in
his late sixties, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
don't know, they might have been seventy something.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So when I go get.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Him, you know, that's when I had a conversation about, man,
you ought to move with me, Like this is just
crazy at this point, you know what I'm saying. And
the last time he did time he was probably two
or three years. But I just felt like it was time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I had my.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
First child and I had a house, and so, you know,
I remember stopping and getting him. He wanted to suit,
and then I remember stopping at a rise and he
wanted the phone, and he had some money, he had
a little money put up, you know somewhere, and we
just talked and he he said that he would, you know,
(06:45):
he would, you know, think about it, and he ended
up eventually just you know, staying with me, which was
really cool. It was like we started building that relationship.
You know, I was so fond of him from a
distance because you know, when I was young, we got separated.
So just being in the same house, me learning his
little crazy ways and his sarcasm and everything, and so
you know, after he started getting sick, I was going
(07:08):
I was starting at like this was like twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
My dad died in twenty twelve. My first album came
out of twenty twelve.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I was just so hot at the time, and so
Keisha would tell me, like, man, you know your dad didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Eat the day or he needn't do something. She just
tell me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And he was somebody that didn't want nobody to know
he was sick. He like such a man, he don't
want you to know he going through nothing, which is ridiculous.
And he went to the hospital one night, you know
what I'm saying. I end up going up there with him.
I ended up staying with him. I got it like
I just stayed with him for like a week or two,
you know what I mean. And I have shows that
I end up counseling. But I had this one particular
show in Savannah, which is like, I don't know, a
(07:43):
couple hours from Atlanta. And I'm talking to him and
I'm like, I got this show in Atlanta. You're gonna
be cool tonight. You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be cool.
And then he says, you know, dope man, my role model.
I had a song called dope Man, my role Model
my mixtape. So he's so sarcast I'm like, bro, you straight,
you know what I'm saying. He gives me a fist
bump and says, do it big Apps, that's.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Our last name. I said, Okay, cool. I go to Savannah.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I don't even get the room I come back when
I when I come back here on his breathing thing,
I see it like boom, but I see him he
like looking at me.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I feel like he looking at me, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
While he's on his breathing thing, and he keep trying
to take the two by the throat and they keep
saying like if you if he takes that out, he
could he could die.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
So if he take that out, he can die. Now
now rewind this. I just got my part from prison.
So they saying the only way that he cannot take
it out is if they handcuff him to the bed.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So I say, okay, handcuff, and then I get to
thinking like something is telling me, like he don't want
to be handcuffed no more, you know what I'm saying.
So he handcuffed the bed. He looking at me and
his shit, you know, he's breathing. And I said, all right, man,
you know, take the handcuff. I'll take that and take
it off. Man, he don't want to be handcuffed. But
soon as the handcuff come off, he come to try
(08:58):
to take that and they tell me if he take
it out it could scratch his and so and so
I swear to you I do that four times. Okay,
put the handcuffs back on, take the handcuffs back off.
Put the handcuffs back on them. And it's like he
just he's not looking straight home, looking to the side
(09:19):
like this, you know what I mean. So I try
to hold his hands myself personally, like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Not chill, you know what I'm saying, Just chill keep
you know.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
And then you know a couple of days after that
or not even a day after that. You know what
I'm saying that the beets start going off. You know
what I'm saying. By me staying with him and the nurses,
I'm able to run, go, get the nurse. You know
what I'm saying, check it out. And they same thing
four times. Boom bom boom they hit them, bring them back.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Thank y'all, nurse.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
They walk out the room.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Man, man, look, man, don't you be doing Run out again?
Boomom do that the fourth time. Now they put me
out the room. So I'm looking through the the little window.
And so the fourth time, the lady come out and
she says, you know, I lost my father to if
he come back now, he'll be brain dead. We already
broke two ribs. You just gotta let it go. And
(10:10):
I was like, that's easier say it than done, because
he just told me. Not only did he tell me
do it big, he told me before I went to Savannah,
I'm not gonna die no time soon. It came out
of his mouth and a he never told him no lot.
So I'm like, what happened from the time I went
to Savanna came back? But anyway, That's something that I
wouldn't say haunted or traumatized me. I know you're big
on therapy or whatever, and like this book is my therapy,
(10:32):
like certain things I do is my therapy. I hadn't
actually sat down with someone, and I'm not against people
who who do or who have. But is it traumatic
seeing your father passed? It could be, yeah, But then
like a few years later, I had a son who
(10:53):
reminds me so much of like how he moves and
his sarcasm as well.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
So questions based on what you just said, did reliving
that for the book make you cry again? Because you
said that was the first time you remember crying when man,
I cried so hard when that happened. I was listening,
I think, I even I'm trying to think about so
I might listen to it was a song, but not
when I was doing it in the book, because I'm
just I didn't.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I didn't. I didn't cry while writing the book. I
think because I've relived that so many times. It wasn't
like I buried it and then just brought it back
up like I relived my pots passing in front of me.
You know I've done that a few times.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So I think.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And then also I see now me talking about it, it
just becomes easier to talk about.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know, when you keep stuff bottle again or whatever.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And when you said when Halo was born in the book,
you I got to see the picture. That's I just
got to see the picture. You said you got the picture.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, but I'm just trying to show you.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I want to see the picture. You said it was
a picture of your father. The alarm went off in that,
all right, So don't even tell the story. I just
show you that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
It's hard to discussed this book because it's so much
that you want people to read and see for themselves.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
He just gave away, but it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So this this picture, all right, we'll explain. All right,
So this is all right, so let's talk about it.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
So, my son, Halo was born ten fourteen fifteen, Right,
me and Keisha was in the hospital, and my mom
and my two daughters was at home and they were
in our room in the master bedroom. Right, the alarm
went off at home while Halo was coming. The alarm
(12:38):
went off same time. So why Keisha having Halo the
alarm going off and my mom is asking me, what's
the past? Word to tell the alarm people because it's
saying motion in the house or whatever. Now my mom
is on the phone saying, I swear, and I'm looking
at the cameras and I don't see anything coming into
the house.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I don't see the doors. I'm looking at all the doors.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
My mom said, I hadn't left the room, so I
don't know why the motion going off. I tell of
the code it goes off. We have halo, we come home,
all right, We're getting our alarm updated. And then Keisha
looks at her email. And when you have motion, it
takes pictures. It takes snapshots of what the motion is.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Okay, when we.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Looked at the motion, you can see you can see somebody,
you know what I'm saying, And it was my It
was my father. Now my father left in twenty twelve.
This was twenty fifteen. You can see an image. So wow,
people that I'm close to a couple of friends, I'm close.
So I showing a picture. I'm like, who is it? Like,
that's part right there. I'm like, look at the date
(13:42):
and like my friends begetting big old chill goosebumps or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
My father used to walk around the house like with
his shirt off. He was in good shape to be seventy.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Like. He wasn't like fast and slop. He was in
the arm and so he had something.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
But I'm gonna find and so another thing about this,
and this is my personal opinion. He's so sarcastic that
when I used to try to show people, I could
not find a picture.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
So I gave a picture to Keisha. I said, Keisha,
when I try to show people, that makes it sound
like I'm crazy. I don't have a picture. So we
go to Florida one time. I'm not even looking back there.
I know she knows I talking about I go to
Florida one time. I don't got the picture them. I
can't find what happened in Florida. You remember.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Anyway, anyway, my phone fell in was She probably don't
remember this, but she does remember this when I said this.
But we was on a boat. We got off a
boat and then her phone down there fell in the water.
And when my phone fell in the water, I said, damn,
that's all. I don't think about the context. I'm like,
this is my proof, this is my proof that golds
(14:51):
are real.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Or whatever. You know what I mean. Boom.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Okay, So I get to looking because I know exactly
when the date was, because I know when Halo was born.
I pull up the picture again. So now I got it.
So I give it to my cousin I'm always with
outside cat. I gave it the cat like cat, you
keep this picture?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Boom. So this is crazy.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
So this is I go over the back in the day,
I go over to the Yate house, right, and I'm telling
him the same story. I'm like, bro, this has happened
to me. I'm trying to tell him what happened. And
this is man, you know, I'm the coolest player in
the world. Man, it's like food around It's like lemonade,
you know what I'm saying. So I can't find a picture,
so I say, cat, cat with my tother come in, man,
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give me the picture of popus mess. I can show
while he giving me the picture, Bro, I'll knock over
a big thing of lemonade everywhere on everybody. Like you
know what I'm saying. I'm such a player. I ain't
never done nothing like that, you know what I'm saying.
So in my mind, I'm like, bro, this is how
my dad is he like be on some joking. So
you got me looking crazy here. I don't waste lemonade
on everybody the table. This ain't even nothing I do,
you know what I mean? But anyway, that's another story.
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Let me find a picture all right right here? Let
me see I email myself so at one loute. Okay,
this is not why he's looking.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Why he's looking at the picture the book on to
change dot com.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You have a chance to win.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Courts to change book to change book dot com. To
change book, go to changebook dot com. I do gotta
sweepstakes for people. They can sit next to me at
a Hawks game. Yeah you know, uh, of course that
I'm very close. I come in through the owner's lounge.
It's a whole experience. I do have this little uh
side note this disclaimer. Women, I'm gonna be smelling good.
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I'm gonna be looking good. If you have a crazy
man at home, articulate that to him. Men, I'm not
gonna be talking through the whole game. Right, we can talk,
but I'm gonna really be watching the game.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
A rapper win. I hope somebody trying to make.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
It trying to like you. You sing all your songs
the whole time.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Can you get that picture because you know I'm trying
to show them and you know what's going on. Up
hop up if you see anything, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, I see something in the picure?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Can wait only he h m hm.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So question for you, right, Charlamagne. Believe you by the way,
but you can see Charlemagne face.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You know I ain't.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
But the reason that because that happened to him in
Prince he took.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
This is a spirit.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He took a picture and the picture I want to are.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
You okay what I've seen it? Okay? Oh wow, that's
a whole person. Yes, I thought it was going to
be like not that.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
How you used to walk around the shirt walking that's
him walking through the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I know you're saying the book too that you feel like,
until you had your son, your dad hadn't like crossed
over to the other side.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's my assumption, right, this is my mom.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
My mom is super, super spiritual, right, so she was
probably like, you know, he probably come to fuck with
me before you know what I mean, probably come over
to the fuck with me, just you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's how she kicked the light before he left. But
so the.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Voices that you were hearing there, because I know you
have been hearing voices in your head and hearing God
for a long time. Do you know which ones might
have been your Dad because he was there with you,
or it was the God connection that you haven't you
hear in God during that word?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So this experience right here, when this happened, this would
have been twenty fifteen. I'm not even sure if I
was fully committed to just given the voice. It's credit
for my success. Now, That's why I said when he
asked me when it's timeing to write a book, It's
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like I've lived and had enough experience in trial and
error with listening not listening, moving through fear, moving through
ego to let you know, like this voice, it got
to be God. The reason I call it the voice
of God because the voice would be like my intuition,
it would be my my my alignment. You know what
I'm saying that that's what the voice. But when I
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say God, I know everybody's not into God. But I
had to give the credit to somebody higher than myself.
You know what I'm saying, for this superpower, whatever the
hell like for me, I got a real picture of
my dad three years after he passed. Like, this is
not something and I don't. It's my first time ever
ever talking about it, feeling comfortable talking about it, showing
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somebody that I feel like is understands like a deeper
mean of like spirits and everything, like because I don't
fully understand.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
My father.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
You know, you see they be like people come to
you in dreams, people you know, do stuff like that.
I can't say that he did that, you know what
I'm saying, But I can tell you that I do
have a divine guidance in me that helps me make decisions,
whether it's business decisions, relationship decisions, whatever it is. And
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it's a voice that could probably be too noisy to
certain people, but I welcome that voice. So this book
is I put this book together to help somebody and
to motivate somebody to shut down the outside noise. And
this is also for anybody who's ever said, like something
told me, like something told me to get this job,
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wear this hat, or whatever it is. It's like it's
that something told me thing. You know what I'm saying
is that or something told me don't go to this
place and this happened, something told me don't whatever it is,
you know, and we've all said that when we missed
the flight, Well that's God trying to Maybe I wasn't
supposed to get on it, you know what I mean.
So why can't that inner dialogue be that? Why if
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they say God is inside of you, and why can't
your blessings come from within on how you are on
the surface. You're a positive person on the surface, then
your blessings coming with it. This is my experience, this
is my opinion.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
So what do you trust that voice though? Because you
talk about in the book many times when you didn't
trust that voice. You heard it and you were like, nah.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
You got to be you got to go through the
experience right to see, like what was that for.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You that said I need to start trusting this voice.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I don't want to use like a tragic experience experience,
but like the voice comes before something happens, right, So
it's hard to like pay at attention because you don't
know what's about to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Alabama, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Alabama, my Cali experience, these different experiences that I had,
I felt something I did, I put this on everything
I felt something, something told me, you know what I'm saying,
but you don't have.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
A crystal ball in order to see it.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
So that's why I'm using all these experiences in the
book to tell you, like how I listen and maybe
then fully you know what I mean, not just what
was going on or when I did, and that positive
outcomes that came from them. You know, I woke up
sometimes to be like something told I need to do
this today.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know what I mean. I do that a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Actually, you know what I mean, And it's just a
message I'm just trying to bring the people.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
The book is about God and you first recognized in
that voice, But to me, it's also a love letter
to your mom and your pop. So so when did
you first recognize God in them?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Mom?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Church going, still go, just went yesterday? Mom went yesterday.
I checked on her, uh my part. When he was
in prison, he wrote which is which helped me come up.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
With the title too.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
He used to write God is Love on the back
of his prison letters, and one day I took the
got the ears out and I put an equal sign
like God he is Love. So I was like, it
just made so much sense to me because if it's
love there, then it's God there. That's what I think.
You know what I'm saying, And it was hey, there,
then I can't be God. And that's how I decipher
what that voice was. So yeah, I've had that that
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kind of spiritual upbringing, like i'm'a. I'm'a. I'm from a
praying family. You know what I'm saying. I encourage my
kids to pray, So it's something I believe in and
I talk. I pray before my show, I pray before
I rap at night.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Bruh.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
I just you know what I'm saying. I just be
praying sometime. I be praying on stage when I'm killing it.
I look up, man, think you know, think, man, you
ain't nobody you know what I mean, because it's just
a certain order you get when you when you tapped in,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (23:10):
Real And you said you always wanted to write a book.
Did you think that it would be this?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
No? No?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
But you know most artists they do an autobiography and
then they talk about how they have nothing to eat.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You know what I'm saying. Artists are the poorest. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Nothing, no education, no nothing, no I finished high school,
I have a college degree. I don't be on none
of that, you know what I'm saying. And I still
have my struggles that I deal with, and so when
it was time for me to do the book, I
wanted to be in my own lane like I do
with anything else. If you all noticed, I don't following
over really no trends. I'm so comfortable in my skin,
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it's it's scary sometimes.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
M I know you said you don't need therapy, but
you've been in some real life ramatic situations like you
just named two of them, Alabama.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
The Cali one.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I didn't even know it went to that where he
was standing over you and all of that. I don't
know why I never've heard that part of the story.
But it's any out of that impact the way you move.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Like now, well.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
You know now I'm gonna say something cliche. I mean,
it's some here for a Reese. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's something, But it really does though.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Like I'm in my forties, just got my physical a
couple of weeks ago, no cholesterol, diabetes, hot blood pressure,
work out three times a week at he you gangs
a rapid night. I eat healthy, drink a lot of water,
don't get enough sleep. But that's like something I can
work on. But you know, I'm just you know, I'm
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in a I'm in a good I'm in a good place.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Man. No PTSD, no stress, no, no.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Not that I know of, Like I don't have any
Like I did take psychology in college, so and I
loved it. Like when I got in psychology, it wasn't
even my major. I remember changing to the major life
maybe like I remember finding out something about myself studying
the actual course, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And so with me.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
The therapy aspect, you know, I do have like some
little triggers. I do have triggers, but I want to
say I'm kind of conscious of them, and I'll probably be.
I'm probably doing some self evaluation, you know what I mean.
I hadn't sat down and really liked kicked it off.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
I'm not against therapy though, I'm not against therapy. But
I have went through things and I've gotten over them
and I've moved on. And I went through some dramatic
stuff too. But I just feel like God, when you
I feel I believe so much in God that I
just didn't didn't let that hold me back. I didn't
let it bring me PTSD. I ain't like, man, you
know what happened to me. I'm crazy, Like I ain't.
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People need excuses to be you know, man, you don't
even know. Man, I was, you know, and I ain't
on that.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
You know, I know that you see that you're deeply
grounded in family. Came here with your family. How did
you know that your wife, Keisha was the person that
got intended for you?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Something told me, something told me she was the one key.
She used to write.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
She still does, but she you know, I said this,
she used to go to church and she used to
write notes, and I was like, okay, and like real
life then the powerpoints type of stuff of like what
they was talking about the church. So I liked that
she was God fear and I liked that she was
just a natural beautiful woman inside and out. And you know,
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having somebody like that in the industry, it's like being
in the industry and having you know, somebody that you
care about it is like not the easiest thing to navigate.
So you got to just you know, for me, just
keep on the pedestal. Let let her know that she
she is mine. She's the one point.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
How do you separate the vine and guidance from just
wanting something really bad?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's a good one.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
My question is easier than that.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
You ain't what the heck you're working though you're getting
what I'm saying, But but it's sty good the divine God.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Keep going, keep working, you know when people do look
at your paper, Just keep going. You almost finished the
divine guidance aspect.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Or if you just want something, So, if you just
want something really bad, is that are you saying?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Like manifesting something?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
You know you have a you have something in your
mind that you want, like I want this goal, I
want to accomplishment, accomplish it. But that don't mean that's what
God wants you to be doing.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I believe in speaking things into AI do I believe
in manifestation. Now, if you want to do something that
don't got love and I believe like he don't got
nothing to do with I say, God is love.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
God equals love.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
So you might want to be on some that ain't
got nothing to do with love, and he not going
to answer the phone for that. But if you want
something and they got love attached to it too. I
think he'll answer and listen. I mean, you already know
what's going on. So that's my personal because I have
one of some of them. Another thing is we have
to teach some of the youth the difference between needs
and wants. I think they got it, like some of
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it confused, you know what I'm saying. And it's a difference.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
So how have you always Because every interview I watched
you and I know we talked that culture kind before too.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I feel that was good. Thank you, no, thank you.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I feel like every time I listen to you speak,
even when you were younger, it seems like you always
understood the difference between your needs and your wants and
separated the two. How did you have that so young?
Like doing so many different things from college to being
in streets.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Like So I'm going to tell you another pop story.
So Pop, my pop used to go in the store.
He used to steal, and then he used to get
mad at me because he would just stop abruptly, and
then I would hit him in the back of the
achilles with like the buggy. When I him in the
back of the leg with the buget heud get mad
as hell, and so then I'll get like thirty feet
away from him, and then we're getting the car and
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he'll start taking stuff like out his sock. He would,
you know, the long socking. He puts stuff on his jean.
And then he told me, he said, he told me, kids,
don't listen to me or my pops on this, because
now I listen to it don't make sense, But he said, steal,
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steal what you need, not what you want. And so
he was going to the store and steal like things
that he felt like we need for the house, whether
it was.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Taller trees or whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You know what I'm saying, It'll be that it wouldn't
be like snacks or or gum or nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And that makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah, but you don't want people to think, man, I
need this watch, you know what I'm saying, Because that's
why I say, they don't know what needs.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And wants are.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
But my pop, so for a long time, I used
to steal stuff, you know, but I would stand in
line with a pack of gum on everything I love.
I'll just be like, I'll just be waiting to pay
for the gum.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You know what I'm saying. But if it was something I.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Needed, I already had it home, Like I really need this,
I take that and couldn't afford it, I would take it.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You think reading the book, right, do you think God
gave you the plugs?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You TraFi, you think God gave you read it. He
was like, it was a blessing that got the plug.
God gave me this plug.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I'm like, because your plug.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Could be how have you got this job? Whatever? You
know got opening up so many doors for me? But yes,
how I got it?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
And so many people that do what I do never
had a plug, and they'll tell you how miserable their
hustling experience was. Once you get somebody that you can call.
And this is just once again, this is my These
are my theories, right, you know what I'm saying. But
I I'm not looking for a plug.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I find this guy that essentially helped change the way
I was moving and living up to now.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It was a little finesse in one of your plugs.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Now, yeah it was a little little Yeah that was finesse. Yes,
that was finesse, but it was it was It was
a sign of intelligence too.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It was the signs of intelligence, right because.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I'm able to I'm hearing what's going on, and I
know how important it is to have one because I don't.
At this point, I already had a plug. So I'm
hearing like so, I'm like, so I didn't even take
buddy plug. That's just kind of like would come in
the street. I never was like a person that robbed anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I won't say this.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
The reason I do agree with him when he said
for him, for him because he was the weed man.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
We man different than like the other guy that's telling
the hardship.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
We man. Weed brings you love, you know, weed man man,
and you know how it is you.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I mean, you get a feature. I was smoking. We
were then artist. When you're coming up when you smoke
like man, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Let's wrap.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
You know, things can happen man, you know. So it
helped me out tremendously. I got some of my stuff
may sound really really off, but if you just if
I have Charlemagne with me, he'll help you.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I read.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I'm like, God gave me the plug, like.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, he was the weed man. That's the difference.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
A man different when you got that.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Everybody has those experiences though, where you're like, yo, if
I had to talk about this again, nobody would be
But I think that's favor too. Like I was watching
a sermon yesterday and Pastor Mike, like Junior, he was saying,
you're yes to God breaks cycles and then that comes
with a whole level of divine favor that like you
couldn't even explain it to people and the feeling of
it if you try to. And a lot of your
story is that it's like you have this personal one
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on one that like we would never really get. It's
funny to hear.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
But the story about my dad cross snow, it's something
I never knew how to even tell nobody. You had
to be like I probably told eight people my whole life,
and this happened in twenty fifteen. I just showed my
kids recently because I thought that they would be you
know ready.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But you even named all your kids something spiritual.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Well, Keisha started off, she named our first baby Heaven.
She named the first two Heaven Harmony, and then I
came with the halo.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I sprinkled that south Side. That's fine.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
How has emotional maturity changed the way you hear that
inner voice, that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Emotional maturity change.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
How I hear the inner voice, my emotional maturity change, how.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
I hear MYO.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Uh oh, yeah, I can answer that. So my emotional
maturity changed how I heard the inner voice because I'm
able to want one decipher if it's love or hate,
because cause we all got a fucking voice too. We
all got a voice that we've all said fucking and
done and done some things, and some it sometimes came
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back to bite us in the button sometimes it happened.
But right now, I think with the emotional intelligence, it
comes with it comes with growth, it comes with age,
and it comes with experience, right and it just comes
with life. It comes with life situations, it comes with
life choices. And so for some of the things that
I touched on in this book, you literally have to
live long enough. Like this book can't be written by
a teenager or somebody in their twenties. This is my
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personal opinion. This book is like experience based. At the
same time, I'm just not running off some ideas and
stuff like this. This is this is stuff that you
know I've been through, or someone that's been through, or
you know something and there was a voice there. It
was a voice there during all of these situations.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Has there ever been a time where that voice led
you somewhere painful?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But you but you realized it was necessary.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
And I don't mean by not listening to it, like
you actually listen to it in this still let you
somewhere where you was like, it's not what I thought
was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Mm hmm. When I listened to my voice, I have listen, bro,
this is This is how insane it is.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I listened to it. It'll tell me what time to
go to the gym, tell me what time to lead
to go get my son. They'll tell me what right,
what route to take him. It'll tell me what tell
me what we need to eat, what he needs to eat.
It'll tell me what route to go home. I can
go home three or four different ways. They tell me
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that man, don't go that way, Man go this way.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Man.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
And and this has been happening for a long time,
but I ain' used to pay no attention. Util I
ran into a road block and you'd be like, oh, man,
I know.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I shouldn't have came this way. You know what I'm saying.
But this was early on, when I was maneuvern.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But the voice is something that I that I hear
a lot that it was hard for me to really
articulate without saying I had an imaginary friend of something
like that when I'm sitting in the corner and I'm
going back and forth and I'm ide eight between me
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and my voice. But I think it was very important
at this time for me to write this literature because
I feel like it's gonna help if it helps one person,
which I've already received multiple text messages from people who
got advanced copies on the voice in their head and
the something told me and them listening more closely.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So that's what this is for. That's why the timing
is for.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
You know, I've been in front of you guys many
a times talking about many of different projects, but I
just keep going into my creative bag coming up with
something that I think can help my community. This is
like a community outreach project. This is for my community. Bro,
It's like this for my community. People give away turkeys,
people do all kinds of stuff. This book is for
my community. I feel like I've been just holding on
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hoarding like this secret, sauce, this secret like man Tony,
how you keep I got partner, man, How you keep man,
what I'm telling you, man, try and try and try
and try, just try, just try try two weeks, like,
just try.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Did you really think you were Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Mm hmm. I was just messing with my mama. My mama,
My mama.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Got she she she been with my daddy this whole time,
so she knows sarcasm, right. So I had, you know,
I broke my broke my elbow and my knee. But
they put my they'll just put me to sleep, apop
my elbow back in place.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Boom.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
And it's on her birthday. She done left her birthday
party being in the hospital with me. So I'm coming
up out of the anesthesia and they're.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like, miss you okay, missed up, You're okay. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
mister up.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
And I kind of look over I look over there,
I see you my mom. I see my mom, Like
you're okay, and like yeah, like, what's your name? Say
your whole name? I said, Michael Jackson. She said, I'm
getting an up. She got up and left. Man, I
don't know, I don't know, man. I'm an optimistic person. Man,
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I'm just optimistic if something bad happened me. I just
I turn it over. I just try to find the good.
And it's some good in here somewhere. It got to be,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
You talk about rebranding and reinvention a lot in the book, like,
do you ever worry that when you are constantly evolving
can disconnect you from your from your core?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
No, you have to do that, You have to. I
have to.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
I'm showing people, but I'm not like being preachy when
I'm showing people how to move and how businesses move.
If you look up McDonald's sprites, everybody rebrands. They don't
exactly change their name, but they rebrand, they change the arts,
they do something they you know what I mean. And
so for me, I'm a business. Two change is a
brand and I have a new logo. I got a
new logo. I'm about to launch, you know, this week
or next week. So for me, you know, I've been
(38:38):
too changed. Titty Boy, met Tony and Janie's son, I'm hell,
we've killer. But I mean I'm looking at other successful
people that pull this stuff before. I mean, I know
Jay has a couple of names. A couple people I
know have a couple of names, and it's just like
a part of me. I'm also giving that knowledge. I
was like, man, I got some game, and sometimes this
(38:58):
book is a way to spread it to the masses
and instead of just talking to one individual. So I
think it's important that you know a lot of people
be like man. You know, I've had artists asked me
should they changed their name? You know what I'm saying,
Should I change my name? Like I know you did it, bro,
you know what I mean? And stuff like that. So
it's whatever works for you. But I think it's important
that you you revisit your brand every three to five years.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Three to five.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Years, that's mine. I go in there and I see
what I can tweet, turn do whatever.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
I love the book man, because you make you make ambition.
You look at it as something spiritual, like I think
sometimes people have this this hunger and they dress it
up as faith. But like to me, you actually approach
ambition as something spiritual.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Can we can't You can't buy ambition. You can't go
to Amazon. You lazy.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
You need some take something to give you. You taking
something to get you injured. But that ain't the ambition.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I got that. I got the self motivation. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
I the boys starts there, anybody to get your ass up.
You ain't got no big home, You ain't got nobody's
gonna do this for you, ain't got no friend you
can call on. You ain't got nobody. So like it
all falls on me. So yeah, I'm operating and definitely
in that space.
Speaker 6 (40:14):
The one thing I wanted you to talk about in
the book is why you chose Alabama because over South
Carolina State.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Did you talk about it in the book.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
No, So I got recruited by South Carolina South Carolina State.
I was going to Memphis. When I got I was
going to Memphis. That's what I was gonna commit to.
I like Memphis because Penny Hardaway had went there. I
was like this little skinny, scrowny point guard two guard,
and I just wanted to just following those steps. So
when I got locked up in high school, Alabama State
(40:43):
was the first school they called me.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
They got in touch with me. They called me.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
They were very like, you know, compassionate about what I
went through, and they offered me a full ride scholarship.
I already had the grades they offered me a full
ride scholarship. And they also I had peers that went
down there from my school life, so I knew some
knew some kids down there. It was two hours from
the house. And you know in the book, first chapter two,
(41:09):
I went down there playing. I went down to the
plane when I first went down there, at them you
know the Alabama boy they show they see it being
and I ended up going down there, and then I
lost my love for basketball the same year I went
down there because the coaches that called me and they
were so excited about having the opportunity to work with me,
they got fired. New coaches came in, New coaches came in,
(41:30):
they brought players in, and then I just remember my
passion for hooping starting to diminish, because at this point
I still wasn't like rapping or anything.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I was just like trapping and hooping.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, because in the book, I thought you said that
in the book because you said it was somebody knew
down there and it was close to.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
The close to the crib, and you said you.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Started playing ball, and then what really turned you on
You said it was when the flood happened.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
My dorm well my dorm flooded, But that just made
me get a spot off campus. You know, I still
was dealing in the parameters of a student athlete. I
still was I was I was going to class, you know,
I was going to class. I was doing everything. I
just I'm already living a certain lifestyle. I'm already got
a little hustle going I go down there. I got
three cars already. I'm literally driving a different car Monday, Wednesday,
(42:17):
and Friday, just because I can. I'm on that type
of time and so but I'm I'm a I'm a
learning junkie too. I love to learn even now I
love I mean, learning is so fast right now, is insane,
you know what I'm saying, like trying to learn what's
going on in the words. But you know, originally meant
I enjoyed learning new information. I just you know what
I mean, I love it. So it was never a
situation where I if I wasn't on campus, I wasn't
(42:39):
gonna go to school. I still was going to handle
my responsibility. So I just talk about that in the
books as wonder, and that's that's one of the things
that push me into being independent too. You go to
college you know, you stay on campus. Then when you
get your crib off, this is your first home. This
is your crib.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You know, you start becoming, like, you know, a grown up.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You wouldn't met your queen either if you didn't go down.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah true.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
My last question, if that voice in your head told
you to walk away from rap tomorrow, would you listen.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
That's a great question because I love rap music so
much and I feel like, you know, I love it.
He wouldn't do He wouldn't do that, you know what
I'm saying. I love it, and one of the things
I love about it is that I still have good ideas,
whether for me or anybody else. When I say ideas,
not just in rap, but after the wrap, the market
(43:28):
and the title, the fonts, shades like I'm into all
like even this right here. This is a black artist
named the Reese He's dope, man. He's just like he's
not with a gallery or anything. The Reese Walker. I
found him online. He does this little like pastel dope.
This is art like he drew.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
He drew this of me. This is not a picture.
He drew this whole thing.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
And I just like, I just like, I don't know,
curating dope stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
So and you still do that without rap.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
If God said to jan and I want you to
put that, if I heard him as clear as you
saying that, yeah, I probably would because I feel like
he got something bigger for me. And so he wants
me to probably start going to sleep at night, getting
up early or something like that, which I haven't done.
And since my father passed, I sleep in the daytime.
Only was sleep at night.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So you're writing books now, you got the podcast?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
You know, me and Halo Me and Halo podcast. Check
that out?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (44:21):
What do you do at night?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Then if you like what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
You just like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Are you not sleeping? You do?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I sleep at night?
Speaker 8 (44:29):
Y'all know.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
What time I go to sleep?
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Six seven?
Speaker 3 (44:38):
I got kids, yell it out.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Halo told me we was retiring this year. I think
he said on the podcast, like we had to let
it go or something for something.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Man.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Yeah, yeah, but I go to sleep around six six
or seven, and then I get up around what time
I get up.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Twelve one?
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Is that because of your music? Artists like, because a
lot of artists are like that too, Where they're up
on it.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
I've been doing that ever since the kids knowing me. Okay,
Harmony thirteen, But what.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Are you doing?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Are you writing?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Are you I'm in I'm in a studio space when
I'm doing something ambitious to help my career go further.
And that is the time when all the noise is
shut off for me. All the people that I love
should be in the bed sleep. I don't receive phone
calls that lay nobody calling me saying they needed I
can actually concentrate on the task at hand, whatever that is.
(45:42):
And those are my hours that I can just lock
in from probably twelve to six or something like that.
I started working at night round eleven to twelve. From
twelve to six is really just really really my time,
really need time. I don't have to worry about you
know what I'm saying. I mean, of course I worry
about people, but it's just really my time. I don't
have anything else my mind with me and the task
at hand.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
And that's therapeutic for you.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
That's so therapeutic for me.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
I wouldn't know what to do, Like like Keisha hates
when I'm at home that in those times because she
trying to sleep.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
And I'm moving around up and Man.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
Just the other day, I was just doing the most
craziest stuff, man, because I had to be up at seven.
So I'm like, Man, do I go to sleep or
do I just stay up to seven? So I'm trying
to figure it out. She's like, what you're doing home?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
This thing?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
No? She look at me. I'm standing out the window
like Malcolm X. I'm just looking out the one, you
know what. I'm saying stuff like this, I really need
some asphalts so I can. I'm just looking at stuff
at the house. I'm just looking at the driveway. I
need to do this round about over. I'm looking at
the tennis court and got the light out there on
the court.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I'm looking. I'm like, man, we should use this more often.
We just.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
With my mind and my like, I'm not sleepy, I'm
not tired, I'm not ying at because my body trying.
I'm almost like a new boring. I'm trying to sleep
from like seven to five. I mean, I'm sorry, five hours,
seven to twelve. I'm trying to sleep like that long,
but the longest, like literally since twenty twice of my
pop died. I hadn't really slept in night time.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, m hm, well the book is out today.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
This is the book is god? Are you looking at this?
This is dope. There's a ham some picture on the
back as well. Man, look if you open this up,
this is something something told me. So I'm gonna challenge
you'll go to two chainsbook dot com, enter the Sweet
States to sit next to me at the hoss game.
You have to March eleventh to do that. But this
right here, tell me what does something tell you?
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Bo? I guess something told.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
You give me some give me an example, something told
you give me.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
An exam where.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
So what I'm saying, what so you was pulling stuff?
Tell me how to tell me how that went?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So I woke up under this.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
It's crazy though. So that yeah, because I was.
Speaker 9 (47:59):
Gonna wake up early and do my little you know,
my little curling joint. But I ain't have enough time
because I was I was going to questions for my book,
you know what I'm saying, because I start.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Person this week.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
So I got up.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
I ain't have enough time for that. So I was like,
you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna wear my hat.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
Something told you to put I mean you got other
hats though, what made you get put that one on?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (48:19):
Like the funny is I want to go with the
little suit and go with the you know, the bodysuit.
I just got these new nikes.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
I know they courting. Okay, give me an example. Something
told you.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I told them that today I'm learn how to ski today.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Something told you, like you just sitting there like, man,
you know it is my son's snowboards and I took
them on the mountain the other day and I felt
bad because I couldn't go with him on the mounta
because I don't know how to score snowboard to ski.
So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna learn
how to ski, so next time we go, I can
get on that.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I'm good father.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
So absolutely.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
Something told me I need to go back home this
weekend spender time with my family.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Something told me that two Chains had an amazing book
that he needed to get published, and that's why you're
in them.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (49:08):
Hold on, you knew you wanted to write a book,
But did you go to him and say, hey, it's
time or did how did that?
Speaker 5 (49:13):
No, he just knew I'm a successful black dude, so
he tried to cap in on my success because he
know I'm a winner.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Else he changes the plug. I wouldn't have Crystal franchises
if it.
Speaker 7 (49:24):
Wasn't and people don't talk enough about you and your
involvement in the Crystal franchise.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
My environment in the culture is crazy, you know what
I'm saying. I am the pictures, I am the mood
boy for a lot of stuff going on. I'm humble
and quiet sometimes a lot of the times. But I
could see how what my influence has done for even
my whole city.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Like man, listen.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
Esco and the Esco franchise ten years. I owned the
Dirt five years before I started running the business, own
the vertically candy Land. There's no other person my age,
my democratic that owns a my demographic, that owns an
adult entertainment. You to get a permit to be nude
and have alcoholis they stop issuing those in nineteen ninety three?
(50:09):
You have to biytos for an extremely high price from
somebody who sets it. A lot of the even the
G League team being connected to the Linta Hawks, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Even having an association with that.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
It's just a lot of things that I see that
I try to open up like in this book and
let my peers know, like this is what's going on,
and this is how I'm even making these business decisions
based off Like of course I have a lawyer, I
have management, but I got this voice going on with
me too, and but I do have you know, the
crystal situation shot the Jernamthan just shot that everybody that
(50:46):
I became partners with. I think collaborating. Collaborating is a
good thing, not only a music but in business too.
And my secret to that is finding someone that's passionate
in whatever you're trying to do and collaborate with and
then you can have success in the field. So I
said to say that the person I'm collaborating with the
ESCO there, they're passionate about the hospitality space.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
They don't have a special seasoning or sauce. It's bigger
than that. You got to know this space.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
The person that I'm in the strip club visits is
passionate about that business. So it's just and Jonathan is
passionate about crystals, and this man is passionate about giving back.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
To our community. So that's how a lot of things
line up.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
There you have it.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
It's two changed ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Get the book today, thank y'all.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
And it's the Breakfast Club, Good morning.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Every day. Click yours up, the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You don't finish for y'all.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Done,
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