INTERVIEW: Daniel Caesar Talks 'Son of Spergy,' YesJulz, Trump, Resenting Societal Systems, Marriage + More

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day waiting.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Breakfast club finish, y'all done morning.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody is d j en Vy just hilarious.

Speaker 4 (00:10):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club Longla Roses
here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Indeed,
ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Season welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
How you feel?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Nobody yourself gets it? I'm great, I'm great. I I
just got out of four eight hours of uh stomach
not stomach flu. What's the other one?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Bad?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Bad sandwich? I feel I feel renewed. I feel like
a new person. Oh yeah, you show.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
It wasn't the stomach, but you know, the stomach virus
was going around.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I've been hearing about that, but it was like a
day a day.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
That's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
What a talented R and B singer you are?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
You are absolutely.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
I was listening to the Sun of Spurgey album for
first I explained the title son a spur Spurgy is
how he pronounce it, spurgy.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, yeah, that's my dad's. My dad's nickname is from Jamaica.
He likes to anytime he's talking, he'll he'll go into
a sermon at any moment. As a famous preacher called
Charles Spurgeon, so they called him Spurgi when he was young.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I want to I want to go back a little
bit if y'all don't mind for people that don't know
who Daniel sees there is. Uh, you're from Canada, and
tell tell everybody how you got.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Into the music industry and and.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Your background, your your father you said, is Jamaican, and
break it down a little bit for people that don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, my my my dad was a singer back in
Montego Bay. When he was singing. No well, I mean
he always sang in the church since she was little.
My grandmother heard that he could sing from school and
she's like, if you're not singing church, on beat your ass.
So uh, but he was like doing dinner music and
stuff at hotels. You're making tourism industry. And so he

(01:55):
ends up in Canada, meets my mom from Barbados and
both me and Canada and uh, and then I'm like
singing when I was little, it's kind of just it's
kind of just all. I used to just run around
the house, used to play by myself a lot. I
would just like sprint up and down the house and
I'd be singing to myself or whatever. And then yeah,
and then high school came around and they start smoking

(02:16):
weed and going friends have studios and it's a long story.
It's a long story. But yeah, around like high school,
I got kicked out of school and I was like,
it was around that time where I was like, the
way this whole thing is set up, like I'm not
about to I hate school. I'm really bad at school.
I don't enjoy school. And then I was like, oh

(02:37):
my god, one day I'm gonna finish school and then
I'm gonna have to get a job. And that's like
school too. So I'm like, am I gonna do this
the rest of my life? And I would rather die?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Jes Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, I'm serious, though, I saw I.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Really feel like that. You feel like that at the
time you don't want to die?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
No, I don't. I don't know. I didn't mean that literally,
I would rather die. I don't want to die. I'm
gonna do what I want. It's yeah, doing what I love.
I don't just want to die for no. No, if
you're gonna make me do something I don't want to do,
I'll give you liberty or give me death. You know
what I mean that revolution though not like you know,

(03:14):
I mean sometimes being alive is a revolutionary act. That is, like,
you know, he don't want you. They're trying to control you,
r make you be something that.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, So is it.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
True that your dad kicked you out the house and
that's when you really took it serious.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, my dad did not kick me out of the house.
When my dad did, which I respect as time passed,
of course, he was like, you're not just gonna sit
around here and and sing songs and not go to university.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
And he had a heavy Jamaican accent, I'm sure, so.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
It was only when he's angry. He actually has a
great telephone voice forgetting and stuff like that. Yeah, He's like,
you're not just gonna sit around here in my house
and like not participate in this world that's going on
outside the way that we think you should. So I
was like, oh, okay, then I'll you know, he's very
strong willed. I'm also very strong willed, so I was like, okay,

(04:05):
I'll live outside. It's honestly, you know what's crazy. I
think if I was alive, like I don't know, five
hundred years ago, I would have been like a pirate
or a vagabond or something, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
But you would to be homeless.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I don't want to be homeless. I just didn't want
to do anything that I didn't want to do.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Where you did you leave the house and go be
homeless though?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, it was the streets. I was like CouchSurfing. You
have friends and then there's always a home to It's
just like I was very strong willed, so it's like
there's always a home to go back to, but I
have to go back under my father's rules, my father's
you know what I mean. I respect it respecfully.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
You have a homeless aesthetic.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But I mean it's probably a thing going on.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
No, it's definitely not your hair. I love it hair.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
No, yeah, no, I did it on purpose.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
You are not strong willed. You are stubborn. That's what
it was.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
You're stubborn as hell because you Joe, how old were
you when you when your dad gave you that ultimatum?

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (05:04):
Seventeen, Okay, that's around the age where you like think you.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I mean, from my perspective, it turns out I didn't know,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Because it was wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, okay, gotcha, And I believe and I also believe
like they raised, they didn't raise a dummy, right, So
it's kind of like I think everybody deep down knows
what they should be doing, and then the universe is
going to keep throwing things at you to suggest that
you shouldn't be doing that to scare you. And like
being homeless or being poor is very scary.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Did you sing for like change?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
No? No, it was amazing. I don't want to throw
it over dramatized. I had. I was a dishwasher.

Speaker 9 (05:46):
I think he went on on his own and figured
it out, figured it out.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
But I want to hear about the signs that told
you you should be singing. I know the signs that
you know told you the things you shouldn't have been doing,
But what were the signs that showed you you should
be singing?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
My I remember, and I went to like this boarding school,
like Christian Academy, and so on Friday nights it was
seven day Adventists. So on Friday nights we would have vespers,
kind of like Shabbat sort of situation. And I remember
it was around that time when I was like all right,

(06:19):
I used to play sports and I was like, all right,
I'm not that great at sports. So I started singing
and playing the piano and they had me perform at
Vespers and I sang this song and I'd not even joke.
I feel like thirty percent of the of the people
in the audience were like sobbing and it was cool.

(06:41):
It was very and it was like guys girls, some
guys who their whole thing was like I'm tough, you know,
like whatever. And I was like, oh, this is this
is interesting, you know, like the power was was. I
was like, Oh, this is what I'm good at. I'm
useful at this. I'm valuable when I do this, So
why not just do this so I can feel valuable
all the time, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Did your pops when did your pops come back and
be like you made the right decision? Or has that
not happened yet?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
It has? And I mean probably, like I've played some
pretty big shows, you know, they were at Madison Square Garden.
That was one of them. Probably when we did in
Toronto Budweiser Stadium or not stadium's out of stadium. It's
a amphitheater. But it was just all those people singing

(07:29):
the songs in here there he was like, Okay, I got.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It now, and you honored him.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
You honored him, you know, by naming your albums on
the spurge his face on the cover.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
How does he feel about that?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know what? He's so, he's just such an interesting guy.
He's so cool. But what he did. I put out
a letter talking about my experience with him before that
came out, and that was the thing that really got
him emotionally. But he's you know what I mean, He's
not like, yeah, your dad, Yeah you should spell time

(08:02):
you put me on.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
You know, You've been very open about like your struggles
with identity and faith and self worth. I wonder, at
this point in your life, who is Daniel Cesar still
unlearning to be?

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Mm hmm. I've been thinking that a lot lately. I
internalize everything, so that's kind of how I moved to
the world. I kind of. I think it's like, because
my dad is such a he's an immovable force. So

(08:35):
if I want something and I want to change his mind,
you just can't. So You're like, when people exhibit behaviors
around me and the world, I just assume that that's
who they are. I don't like I don't believe in like, hey,
what you did made me feel this way, and maybe
you could change it, but know that's who you are.

(08:55):
I'm either gonna and then it's like I don't like that,
because then the next time you do it, I either
have to be like, all right, I guess I'm just
gonna take it now, or I'm eventually I'm just gonna
have to separate from you, you know, So that sort
of confrontation, it's like people are gonna be who they
are until you decide what you're gonna do about it.

(09:17):
And there's violence, or there's emotional violence, or there's running
away detachment or detachment. And so I just always kind
of went through the world like some people are like this,
some people are like that. Then you internalize it and
then I put the responsibility on myself. How am I
going to get around this? How am I going to
not let that stop me from where I'm trying to go.

(09:38):
But then you don't realize what you sacrifice in yourself
by not addressing some things when they happen in front
of you, you know what I mean. And it's like
and then you were like I am a crash out,
you know, and sometimes it kind of just jumps out

(10:00):
of me at the wrong times because I'm not addressing
the things when I'm supposed to address them.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
And then you're just like and sometimes and then you
you think that makes you a good person by not
trying to control other people, and then the way it
becomes too much and then you you you crash out,
and then you're like, damn, I wonder how many times
I've hurt people that I care about because I was

(10:25):
living my life in this way that I thought was right,
you know what I mean? Because it usually you you
go to work, then your your your asshole boss or
whatever is is putting a shit on you, and then
you take it and then you go home and then
your kid asks you for the new PlayStation and you
yell at him, you know. And so it's just kind

(10:47):
of like the context of the world we live in.
It's just like it is capitalism. It is like somebody's
somebody's got to get screwed at the end of the day.
It's exploitation. This whole shit is built off of exploitation.
Someone's got to get it, and usually it's the weakest,
most genuine, kindest, friendliest person I.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Wonder why you internalize I guess other people's bullshit because
you know, I love the Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz,
and one of his agreements is don't take anything personally
because usually when somebody does some bullshit and you would
have nothing to do with you and exactly what you
just said, something that's going on with them.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
One hundred percent. But then sometimes it's also like pattern recognition,
you know.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Like why do you keep attracting these type of people?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, it's like what about me? Makes it feel like
because I because it's it's almost naivete where it's like, oh,
if I go around through the world and I treat
people with respect, then people will respect me. Right? Is
not how it works? And then you're like, oh no,
sometimes you have to make people scared of you, and
it's it's a Machiavellian like fear is stronger than love.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
You know, is there a part of it too that
like maybe is there like a longing for something from
those people? Because like you mentioned patterns, and are those
patterns hurting you when you continue to see them happening
because you're trying to figure out why you're not worthy
of that changing.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, I think it was very good.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
I think because you mentioned your relationship with your dad
a lot. Yeah, and in your letter you talk about
how he would warn you through he would talk to
you through stories and warn you about how the world was,
and he's like very stern and very strong. Somewhere in
there it feels like, you know, there was a longing
for something that you wanted from him, that he tried
to give you, but it wasn't the way you did it.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, which is the oldest story, you know what I mean.
And it's just but this, this record one hundred percent true,
and this record is kind of just like I know
that man very well, and in all things, he tries
very hard, you know what I mean. He's a very
principal man. He's an honest man. But just some things, okay, okay,

(13:00):
get into it. They are just some things, you know,
like Dad's dry, but there's just some things that Okay,
my actual this is all connected, I promise well, my actual,
real theory or real beef is just like, does it
ever feel like like the the way that we structure

(13:25):
societies in the West, the nuclear family, does it ever
feel like that's not natural? So people like like you
know what I mean, Like, all the all the people
that I know that are good at monogamy, are good
at you know, just that sort of nuclear family, are white,
you know. And so I'm just I'm not, what do

(13:48):
you mean? You know all the people I'm talking about
personally through my life, you know what I mean. And
so this this excites this topic excitement, and I'm just like,
it's so much responsibility to put on one man in

(14:09):
a house to be like, well, for I'm speaking about
for me, Yeah, I would say to be faithful.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I'm thirty thirty, Ok, you got a different type of
diicted us.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Oh well that's but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, So
it's like your your your faith with that man now now.
But but there was a time you're you're supposed to provide.
You're supposed to go out and deal with all the
ship in the world that you're protecting your family from
your girls. You're supposed to go out provide, protect you
with all this ship, protect and someone gets to tell

(14:43):
you what you can and can't do with your dick
as well, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Like, I don't think it's about somebody telling you what
you can and can't do when you, uh, you know,
decide to make vows with a woman and you tell God,
this is the woman that I want to spend the
rest of my life with and be faithful.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
You made that commitment.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Exactly, which is why. And I have a woman in
my life that I that I love and I care
about very much. But if she feels irresponded, No, she's not.
She's not. But it feels very irresponsible of me to
make that promise because yeah, I don't think so. I'm like,
am I gonna be ready when I'm fifty? Where?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Am I?

Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (15:19):
But that's the way we should be, and most most
people our age wish we would have been that honest
long time ago.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
That's a level of emotional intelligence a lot of us
didn't have.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, But I just I just think, I just think,
like so much in the society in which we live
is counterintuitive. I'm like, what were we doing before imperialless,
before colonialization, when we were you know, wherever we were
on the on the globe, living unbothered by anybody trying

(15:47):
to take her, exploit or do anything. Is this how
we set up our families and how we set up
our communities one children, house, neighbors, stay for there, don't
talk to strangers, like you know, all this sort of
is Is this natural?

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Is this the way we use like isolation?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
It's so isolated. You know, you're a you're in a
home in the suburbs and you have a car and
you have a backyard and all this ship is happening
in everybody's homes and we're supposed to go out and
like not talk to each other. Look how kids behave
they're my mom takes pills to go this. They're at
the at the park talking about my mom does this.
They want to connect, they want to go out and whatever,

(16:25):
and we're we train them from young No, your neighbor's
not your friend. That's the thing these societies. There's too
many people and you get on the bus and you
might get stabbed in your neck or something like because
there's no trust because everybody you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
As you talked about intellectualizing spirit, and I think that's
what you're doing right now. You're you're intellectualizing your spirit
when you should just feel.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
If what you feel is true to you, then let
that be cool.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
If you don't feel like you're ready to settle down
with one woman at thirty.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's okay, and be honest with that woman. There's nothing
wrong with that.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
Think is more than that though for you. I think
it's the whole.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
It's deep there, it gets.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It was honestly, it was. It was great. It was
a Caribbean household, you know what I mean. But it
was like, do you know what the thing was? Because
I have the same experience as so many other people
that look like me. I was the one Caribbean household
on us. I grew up on this this this private

(17:33):
high school academy. My parents, my dad worked there. Right,
this was a white school, white town, white white, white, white, white,
white white. And so I'm the old Caribbean family on
this street where all the rich white kids live. Yeah,
they weren't even they weren't even rich. It just felt
like they were rich because they all had cottages and

(17:53):
ship but they were everyone's making the same amount of
money and yeah, and so it's it's it's purely just
like everyone. Everyone gets beat as a kid, but like
when you live on that street, you're the only one
that gets beat, you know, And then all these things
feel so much more egregious because of because of proximity

(18:15):
to what everyone's living like around you, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
And old was your dad was your household growing up
tight holeshole was just your mom and your dad.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
And you've seen that union that you're looking.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
For hundred per but I also see what is sacrificed
in oneself to sustain that.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
So you have conversations with your father though, like about
like about that. Have you had conversations Did he tell
you that he was paid with his wife?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I mean I was happy, yeah, but it's it's kind
of like there are just some things sometimes I look
at like you like like Mary couples and stuff like that,
if it almost feels like a like a big conspiracy
where it's just like we're married, so of course we're

(19:09):
happy because we're married, and everyone should want marriage. The
whole soul society is structured, is based off of people
getting married, having families, going out to their job and
what you know what I mean, even if you're not,
it's like the reality is like as as over time
as women get more rights in society, divorce goes up.

(19:31):
So it's like everybody's happy, but it's everybody happy. Everybody's
getting divorced. My parents are still together, mind you, and
they love each other and they respect each other. But
I just sometimes I think and I'm just like I know,
and I'm the same as my dad. Sometimes it's like
he's he's bound by honor. He's a man of his word,
you know what I mean. And so it's like you

(19:51):
are my kids. I'm not going to run out on you,
but you can't. You can't lie about what's going on
on in your head, Like when you come home and
you're like, bro, this ship again, you know what I mean.
It's like I'm doing the job because I'm bound by
honor to do the job, but I would rather be

(20:14):
out being a person, being free right around.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I get what you're saying. I mean, marriage is all work,
like nobody said it was.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
I think when you have and you have conversations with
married couples like, yeah, it's hard, it's tough, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
What I mean.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
You're gonna have your good days.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
But you have to want to do it.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You gotta want to do it.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, And for me, you, I have dedicated my life
to making art, and sometimes it feels as though it's
like they're kind.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Of yeah, you're very young.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
But you know what, somebody said this to me yesterday,
right they were doing my kids here and she said,
you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Surprised to see you like this with your kids.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
And I'm like, well, what does that mean? She was like,
I do things here all the time, and usually the
breadwinners make money. When they come home, they go in
their little cocoon and they don't want to their kids.
It was like, but you help your kids with homerate,
you pick them up, you take them to dance, you this,
that and the other. Because I have a responsibility to
my kids.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I love them.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
It doesn't feel like a job. It doesn't feel like
I'm coming home and oh the fuck I gotta do
this again. No, that's why I had those kids. That's
why I love those kids. There are some people that
feel differently and say, you know what, I'm more into
my art. I need to create. You take care of
the kids. But those are the kids that are usually
you know, don't have a father, need a father figure,
have those type of traumas, and have those type of problems.

(21:30):
I care more about raising those kids than any art form,
than any type of money, than anything like that. But
I see that. But that's the commitment that I made
to my family. I didn't have to I didn't have
to have those kids. You didn't have to have kids
or whatever it may be. But once you make that
commitment to have that child or that relationship as a man,
you talk about Anna, you should do it right.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Well, let me know if you need another hairdstyllars of
them kidscause she wasn't supposed to say that to you.
I'm surprised that you ain't here like that too.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
You know when you bring Menican kids who are like
a black you know.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
Before we get off this topic, right, because this whole
conversation reminds me of a sinse of a father the
song that you in your project with. In that project,
you say dad would forgetful. He promised a lot. I
think thankfully he never got called. Then you talk about
forgetting someone's birthday and someone saying I'm sorry, dear, and
you're struggling between the love and honor that your your
actual father has and the love and honor that the

(22:34):
father above is.

Speaker 9 (22:36):
Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
What?

Speaker 9 (22:37):
So was your dad not like how Envy is describing
he was? Is that were some of this like.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Like that that's what made me like that exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
And my dad's dad was an orphan from like from
the slums of Jamaica. The man suffered I could. I
can't around that time, especially with the British over there
fucking doing whatever the British do. The the level of
abuse that he sustained, I'm sure is horrible, you know,

(23:07):
And so sometimes I'm just like, no, my out there.
I mean, he probably forgot my birthday. My mom wouldn't
forget my birthday. No no, no, no, not like are you
only child? No no, no, I got four brothers, three brothers.
But he my One of my favorite stories with my
dad is telling me about what the time that his mom.
He's like at the dinner table with his mom. She's like,

(23:29):
was it your birthday last week or something like that,
and my dad was like, oh, yeah, I guess it
was my birthday, you know what I mean. And it's
such a small little thing, but You're like, damn, and
my family we're not a birthday family. And I always,
like with girlfriends and stuff, I like Christmas birthdays. I
resent that's like because I will buy you. Sometimes I'll

(23:53):
be out and I'll see something that makes me think
of you, and I'll be like, I love this girl
so much, I'm gonna get this for it right now.
But when birthday comes, don't don't look at me, you
know what I mean, because it's just like I'm not
subscribing to this.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I don't like the expectations.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
No, I do this all year round, Like why do
I have to do it on this specific way?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Maybe not for birthday, but definitely for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I feel that way exactly. I don't like the I
just don't like that. It's it's there's so many variables
and exterior pressures on us all the times, and I
get I'm clearly like I get a little neurotic and
like I'll like follow a train of thought like very
very deep, and but you know what I'm saying, And

(24:37):
it's just kind of like, you.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Know, like who are we, you.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Know, especially because all the systems that we exist in,
like we are the least valuable people in those systems,
you know what I mean. So it's like I resent
all these systems, all these structures, and so me doing
whatever the I want and saying things and and I
can be very obnoxious. I can be very irritating and
annoying sometimes, but it's just like, like how this if

(25:02):
you start sometimes just being whoever you are is the
is the act of is the rebellion or is the
revolutionary act? It's just like you want me to be this.
I look like this, so I have to talk like
this and dress like this. No, bro, it's a little weird.
But he's cool, you know what I mean, that's all.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I wouldn't even label you we exactly well I have,
I mean who you are, and I appreciate that you
He just healed something in me, right, he is definitely
think people who call people weird they don't really know themselves.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
At least I've never gonna use that word to you. Ever,
I'm very descriptive.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
I'm very specific. Okay, what part of Daniel ses you do?
Fans still misunderstand the most?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
And is that your fault?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, it is my fault, and definitely my my cynicism
into humor, you know, or just by yeah, I was
starting with my cynicism and my sense of humor. Where
it's like like something that happened a couple of months ago,

(26:15):
you know, when when Trump and the Ice things first
started happening. You know, a couple of weeks before.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You have some concern because Jamaica by Beatos Canada. You
just weren't sure.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Shut up, man, I got a great visa, man, I think,
But I mean he's also who nobody's safe, right? But
but no, do you remember when when Trump's Instagram first
started to really get crazy and it was a decade
at least for me, when I saw this like AI

(26:48):
image with the trains, with the planes and the trains
and no with the the let's start deportations now or
something like that, and me I saw that and I
was like, whoa, this is really crazy. What are we
living in? Like what is this? And it was It's
funny to me, It's objectively funny. And I get some

(27:09):
people will see that. They'll see me like the post
or something, and they're like this guy, you know, And
I completely get that. I've kind of had to. I
don't have the processing power, the mental processing power too
in all moments of my life think about what the
Internet will think about what I do and then move accordingly.

(27:32):
It's just too it's too much.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yeah, you don't have to like it, Like you can
mentally look at something you know and see all the
nuance of it, right, know that it's some bullshit, but
also maybe kind of find it funny.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
But you don't have to like it, Like you said
you don't like systems.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
So who said no? When I say, I mean press
the like button?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
But who said you got to do that? You're only
doing that because it's there.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, so you wanted to.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Know that you like it or like do you just no.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
No, no, no, no no, I just I almost like use
social media sometimes like a boom or like I am.
One of the New Year's things that I'm doing is
I'm getting a life phone because I am like with
my phone it's too much. If I see it and
I think it's funny, I press like and I keep scrolling.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Because it's not even.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah well yeah no, I was preyed upon by the
It's I'm dopamine. I am an addict. That is in
my like I am. I have that type of personality.
I'm an addict. So if you get if you make
me feel good, then then you're in there. You know
what I mean. And it's that's that's another thing in
you know, growing up becoming a man, where it's just like,

(28:44):
oh my god, they're be set by evil on all sides.
Like if I don't exercise self discipline, I'm cooked, you know, aware,
I mean, you know, I try else for a dude
down here, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Want to I want to talk about have a by
me before.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I just I wanted to be clear that my that
my dad is like he's a He loved us very much,
and he was very kind and very gentle. And when
I hear stories about his upbringing, he went from here
to here. That's all I just I'm just very sensitive
and so whatever it was, you know, but.

Speaker 9 (29:23):
He agreed as a man, not as your dad exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
You know. The one more quick thing cleared us up.
Do you support Trump? No?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I think he's hilarious, and I think that America. I
think Trump is the president that he I think Trump
was inevitable and I think what he's what ice is
going on? Yeah, this is this is how the country started.
It's a criminal ass, you know what I mean. It
was eventually going to get here, and now it's like.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Trump is the Frankenstein Monster of white.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Supremacist exactly exactly. And now it's like now there's I
used to shooting white ladies. Now everyone's scared. You know
what I mean. This was always eventually these systems that
it's like, oh no, they're over in Africa. Fu them,
you know they're over in over there. Fuck them now,
they're now they're shooting suburban white ladies. You know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
You should unlike the post.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
But and you know what, and here comes the main
flaw in my character. Don't tell me what, don't tell
what to do, and don't try and don't try it right,
and I will the universe God will, I will, I

(30:35):
will suffer. And I have.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
Get a phone like a phone where it's.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
A light phone. No, it's like no apps. I just
need to get off. Yeah, it's like you can get
music and you can get maps.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
You know what you should do?

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Don't give me a hundred thousand dollars, don't.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
You should not do.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Don't give me you can program that into my brain
while giving me dopamine, then that would work.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Don't give me a million dollars.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
Do you needs dope?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Mother?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Don't give me.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
So okay, So, because you said you don't like to
be told what not to do, right, but you're getting
this phone that doesn't have these apps because you're getting
the backlash to the things that you're doing exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
So it's like I am putting I have to put
up the parameters for myself. I am gonna just whatever.
It's the same with dealing with money. I have to
set up things with my business manager because I don't.
I can't.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
You know yourself that I.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Got to put myself in my own cage. Somebody else
will put me in a case. Good.

Speaker 8 (31:45):
The yes Jewels moment kind of get you here too, Yeah,
yes Jewels moment.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Oh it's iconic.

Speaker 8 (31:53):
Okay, I didn't know you were iconic, but so, yes
Jewels was People were coming for her because she had
posted that T shirt that or it came back up
the niggas lie a Lot T shirt and then she.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
She wore a T shirt that said niggas lie.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
She had tweets she had posted the shirt, and people
were coming for her, just talking about the whole cultural
appropriation thing like they always do with her and oh white,
Yeah she's white, and you got online in a drunk
rint and you basically said people should leave her alone.
She should be able to say what she wants to say.
Because we're mean to people, but we act like we
don't understand why people have a reaction. I can read

(32:26):
your words, veriato. But that was me summarizing it.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
No one, and I mean, this is great. It was
it was I internalize everything, and that's that's the whole thing.
Like I was like, I internalize everything. You guys should
internalize everything, and then you'll get all this and all

(32:48):
this is nothing.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I disagree. I don't like, yeah you don't.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
No no no no no no no no no, but
I agree. But that that was where that was coming from.
That's what that was. And on and for years after,
you know what I mean, it's like, these things aren't
gonna boo me out of nothing. No, this is I
believe that, and I still believe it. And as time
is passed, I'm like, oh they were, No, they were
one hundred percent right. That is what you when you

(33:14):
accept this type of behavior from people that throughout history
have exemplified to you that they hate you, and then
you accept the behavior to get out of the circumstances
that you're in. You are giving up. You were giving up.
It's it's undignified. You're giving up your own dignity, which
I never really it never crossed my mind, you know

(33:35):
what I mean, because it was just kind of like
the way it when I say survival, it's not like
I ever feared for my life or anything like that,
you know what I mean. But it was just like
growing up I had to be personally the way that
I moved to the world was like, yeah, bro, white
people are like, you know what I mean, That's just
that's just how they are. And I don't really see

(33:57):
them because they don't even know half the time, they
don't even know the weird ship that they be doing
or the way they move to the world, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Disagree with that.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
I say that when it comes to legislation, like we
talk about systems, like somebody had to create the system,
so clearly somebody knew what was doing. If you put you,
if you was label somebody only three quarters of a
human being, Yeah, that's an intentional choice.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well okay, yes, and that's your in the spirit of
self awareness, my I don't even subscribe to or participate
in politics because I'm like, I don't have the the
the bandwidth, the mental bandwidth, like dealing with what's the

(34:43):
word you just used, legislation, legislation, all that stuff. I'm like,
I just kind of assume whatever does come of of
all that doesn't involve me, you know what I mean,
Like I'm not.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
It involves as Yeah, but I love with Nina turns
that you don't.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You may not do politics, but politics is eventually gonna
do you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
No, I get, I get what you're saying, but I
just mean, like I then that's my cynicism. I don't
believe that any level of participation, that like any level
that I participate in politics, well that actually the country
is founded on racism. I just don't think that playing
the game of politics will solve the issue. It's like,

(35:26):
I think politics is downstream from a deeper issue, a
spiritual issue, you know, like politics is dealing in the
physical like like mind proceeds, mind prospedes, proceeds, Spirit proceeds form,
you know what I mean. So it's like what we're
dealing with is like, what we're dealing with is is

(35:48):
evil politics. I just don't me personally.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
To be able to you know, you know, elections do
have consequences, and I mean when you see you know,
people's civil liberties being rolled back the way that they
are now, then.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
You have to disagree with yourself.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah No, but I just think I personally assumed that whoever,
if we put Kamala, Kamala, whoever we put in there,
eventually this is gonna happen. That's my personal But that's cynicism.
And maybe if we vote right, one day, America, black
people will run America and it will be our country.
I don't, I mean, I don't know. It just doesn't feel.
It just doesn't.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
What I was asking. I was gonna ask, was that
your is that your homie or stand up?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
That was also I mean, that was like a trauma response.
It was just like I saw when I look at
Yes Jules, I see an orphan girl that that that
wants to be black, you know what I mean. And
I'm like, damn, that's so mean, bro.

Speaker 9 (36:47):
She doesn't like she could come to your at that time. Now.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
But I don't know nothing about it, I guess.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I mean, I was just like I felt bad for her,
especially being a black kid that grew up surrounded by
white people. I'm like, what the way she grew up?
What is she supposed to do? She's trying to embody
what she understands.

Speaker 9 (37:09):
Is so different than hers.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
And I think, yes, Jeweles, I think yes, Jewels is
a like, it's not even about her. The conversation that
people try to have about her is a bigger conversation
about what we allow culturally and what we should protect
and all those things. So I think that's where people's
frustration comes in when you jump out the window for
her and it's not just about her, you know what
I mean. But said, he's trying to explain that this

(37:34):
is he understands it now because.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Of his Yeah, no, no, no, I don't, and I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (37:39):
It was a.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
It was meant to happen. It was meant And I
almost don't regret it because I don't think I would
have come to this understanding of what's going on in
myself and in the world around me if I hadn't
done that, you know, because I was just like internalizing
and I didn't realize. I was like, oh my god,
all this choosing to internalize. They called me a coup
and I was like, I was like, there's no way

(38:04):
because I think this, this and this and this m hm.
And then I'm like, oh my god, have I been
sacrificing my dignity by internalizing things. Sometimes when someone comes
to you the wrong way, you're supposed to crash out
immediately on the spot, you know. But there's just been
so many moments in my life where someone says something
that's a little weird or whatever, and I'm just like,

(38:27):
you know, your fight or flight, and you're like, wait,
is that weird? Am I supposed to cuss out everybody
in this room right now? Am I supposed to stop?
You know?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
So basically, you just.

Speaker 7 (38:35):
Saw a girl that wanted to be black, that just
you know, wore shirt that it didn't really mean anything
to you.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
It was just like, yo, this is just another girl
orphan shown she want to be black.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's naive because I was moving to the world really
believing like, oh maybe we could all come together and
understand each other and be like spending this much time
in America, I'm like, oh no. But if you think
all all all or no all virality. All virality are

(39:11):
all like codes of codes of moving through the world,
It's like, oh my god. If you follow it to
any thought process at the very end, it's like, all right,
who who are we killing? That's actually what it is.
Someone's gotta die. That's how this whole world is set up.
It's like these group of people believe this, and we
believe this, and we will never agree, so we have

(39:31):
to kill them.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Damn, Dan, What did you ultimately learn from this situation?
So that's what I'm getting. I'm getting that you learned
something from that, Sue.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I did, and the niggas don't lie, like, Yeah, I learned.
I learned. It's it's a ship show out here and
all that I can How do I say this? I

(40:04):
can only control me and the world around me is
is is of my own creation, you know. And you
go through things and you experience them, and if you
don't want it to happen again, you look at what
went wrong and you try and adjust.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Did the backlash your faith make you more guarded as
an artist? Are more honest?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
More guarded? And now more honest? Because it's all like
it forever changed the trajectory of my whole life.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You know, really, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah? For sure? Because it was just I just I
thought I was being honest with myself and that I
didn't realize how first. I didn't realize how much anger
and hatred I had in my own heart.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
For who your own people are.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
No no, no, no, I mean for the world around
me and for myself. It's kind of it's all like
hete It's all like I am you you are. Yeah,
it's all the same. It's all flowing the separation that
you are a different person than me, and you and
you have your own life. It's not real. You know,
you drop some acid and you're like, oh, we're actually

(41:15):
all one. We're all just different leaves on a tree.
You know. The separation that we think we feel it is.
It's mercy. It's mercy because the reality is that there's
only one spirit and it's floating out in space and
it's alone. The reality of existence is that we were

(41:38):
alone and there's only I'm a figment of your imagination.
I am you're figuring in my imagination. I am actually
the center of the universe. None of you guys are real.
But also I am a figuring of your imagination. I'm
not real. We're You're alone. There's nobody else here.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
You're all just energies moving through time. I swear I
heard Jim Carry say something like this. I mean it's
like where I literally heard somebody say this. Sorry Jim
if you didn't, but I thought he said something like
this before one of them Golden globes.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Uh, the spiritual practices of anyone free colonialism?

Speaker 6 (42:14):
Do you dos or ayahuasca or anything like that?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Is that you okay?

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Acid?

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Oh you're talking about like that? I mean like on
a bado? Okay, all right, you know what I'm saying at.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (42:30):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
That's interesting though, because I feel the exact opposite. I
feel like, you know, human connection is the only reason
that we exist, no, I.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Based That's why we yearn so much for it. Because
when you connect with someone, even when you it's like
you're long for connection, Like you see a girl and
she's so beautiful, you know, and you go and talk
to her m hm, and she doesn't like you, and
you're like damn, and that pain that you feel where
it's like, what's wrong with me? And then you realize

(43:02):
it's beautiful because I really believe in that moment that
she's not me, and so I'm not alone. And then
you meet you meet someone and you fall in love
with them and it's the beautiful and you have a
crazy experience together and it's the same. It's like, oh
my god, I'm not alone in this world, you know.
And then things happen and it's you know, and then

(43:24):
you are alone again, and then you remember, do you
feel me? Yeah? No, but it's yeah and then and
then yeah. But no. Life is about human connection, and
that's kind of the whole way I've structured my life,

(43:45):
you know. I write songs about human connection. And that's why.
Another reason why marriage is scared to me, because it's
like to to choose to marry is to be like,
all right, connection, got it?

Speaker 5 (43:55):
No more connection, because then the connection don't always That's
what we mess up. Connections don't always have to be romantic.
Connections don't always have to be you know, intimate on
a sexual level. Connections can be a new friend that
you meet. Connection can be somebody that you get in
the studio with that's a producer, and y'all connect and
y'all create something that's an amazing.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
That's what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Run Through is crazy you ever had, You've never like
the I am it's dop. I mean, the most powerful
connection is the connection that is is eros is a gape,
you know what I mean. It's all the different types
of love one can experience more than you always rod.
That's what I just told you.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
Trying to run through.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, but you don't always have to do that.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Like, Actually, to me, one of the most powerful connections
is when you meet a woman, like you know, all
of these women in this room, even from Natina and down,
are women that I have met.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
There's no sexual attraction. Even to people that I consider
my homegirls, my sisters. I love them. Sometimes that is
the more powerful dopamine hit than.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I feel like you're understand. I'm not saying that I
can't have don't have friendship.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
You're talking about that first feeling when you fall in
love and it's energetic and it's like whatever.

Speaker 9 (45:05):
Right, But I think because they've.

Speaker 8 (45:06):
Been married for a lot of time, right, what I'm
what I think you're missing from what they're saying is
that even with your partner, if you're just talking about wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend,
there are so many different experiences where that same dopamine
feeling comes with that same person, just depending on where
you are in the relationship, what's happening. It's work, though,

(45:27):
and I think people out of that work to refill
that feeling because you think it's only one instant that
it's a great point for a single person.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I'm not gonna front learn that a good point envy.
I'm sure you know playing with me. There's certain points.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
That you get older and you look at your wife
sometime you're like, damn, man, I hit the lottery, Like
I love.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
My wife all the time. Absolutely, I'm doing the same.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Ask a question when you were younger, did you have
a lot of girlfriends or were you the the one
that didn't that because you went to a white school,
they didn't appreciate you like they should have.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't date until ninth grade.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
And that's the reason why he probably feels the way
that he did. He never really felt accepted when you
was growing up as a kid. He never had the love.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
He never had that friendship.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
They called you ugly all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
But that's that's the reason.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
But that's the reason he's act like like he is
because he never had that love growing up. So now
when he's a celebrity, he's a star, he can pick
and choose with whatever.

Speaker 8 (46:23):
And even then though it gets empty at some point
because and have a baby, it'll get me, right.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Of course, it gets but yeah with me in Penthes, yeah,
because that's that was funny.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Have a baby with me, like yeah, but not with the.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Other dude, like what woman left you that you was like,
don't leave, please, I'll I'll put a baby.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
And you don't leave.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Okay, no, no no. So that's like the girl that
I wrote my first Frediano was Yeah, that was like
a whole that was a whole thing. And but I
have a baby is like, it's funny to put it

(47:12):
in parentheses. Yeah, because of the experiences that I had.
That's my other thing, like with you're really okay, So yeah,
you guys, you nailed it. It's in relationships. I can't

(47:36):
help but feel like it's about controlling what the other
person does. I feel controlled when i'm this person. I
feel like going over here and doing this and running
around and doing that. And you tell me it hurts you.
But I'm just being myself, you know. So what do

(47:56):
you want me to do? You want me to be
somebody else? This is I didn't get you by being
somebody else. I got you by being myself. You know.

Speaker 8 (48:06):
But at a part in the song when you're talking
to her, it sounds like she's like putting her clothes on,
she's about to leave. But figure that's like the physical,
but in like thinking about it, she's kind of tapping
out of the relationship, right, You're almost like begging her
to not at some point because you realize that you
started all these little fires and it got you to
this point and you just want to give her that
dream like what she thought or where she thought you

(48:27):
guys would end up. So how how are two things synonymous?
Like how do you feel like that? But then when
she's putting on her clothes and she's ready to leave,
you like, no, have a baby with me and with me, like,
let's do it.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
How is that?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Ass toxic? Yeah, said SELFI Yeah, I'm glad. This is
very self aware selfish.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
That's kind of I mean, that's being an artist. That's
the thing being an artist is like that is that
you can't be a good artist and not be selfish.
It's about I experienced stimuli from the outside world, and
I'm not worried about the outside world. I'm worried about
how I feel about it, because then I go to
the studio and I and I do what I gotta do,
and I process it and I go through it.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
I'm not worried about Which is the greatest dopa main
high ever for you?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Life literal value? You know, what I mean changed.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Was it a woman that made you start acting like that?
Or when you started being the one that these women
started liking it changed you? Because at one time, I'm
sure you didn't feel accepted you maybe it was rejection.
How you know it's not just the fame or the
money or a celebrity.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I mean, don't you don't know? You don't know, it's
only over time.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
And is that why you're being selfish? Like I don't
know why you liked me because they didn't like me.
So I'm just gonna sling dick to everybody have a
baby with me?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, because I because I want an artifact of our love.
I want an artifact.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
Idea of what read No no, no, yeah, not in
the buns in the bun no no no, no no no,
no one's pregnant, no no no yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Give them some time to process the question though internalized.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Go ahead, that's so interesting. Artifact that crazy? Yes, yes,
you want to.

Speaker 9 (50:16):
You're stopping a gift shop at.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
They call a baby that? Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Look at my souvenir. He's six today.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
What we'll holler next year Christmas?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
You know? Just interesting.

Speaker 8 (50:30):
I think once you get through this to take that
text back you said somebody that you.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
No, I definitely said that, and I've said that a bunch.

Speaker 9 (50:40):
They be eating it up. What they be saying it back?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
No, it'll be texting it's no, no, no, it's I
use I use that term when I'm in debate about
the subjects, not when I'm talking m which I guess
maybe yes now that yes.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
The question is this album more of a confession, our
therapy session or our spiritual reckoning?

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I mean I personally always get to spiritual reckoning through confession.
I love the thought of singing it that you can
say whatever you want when you're singing it, and you
can say a lot of things. I mean, a lot
of things have been said here today that are insane
to say in conversation with strangers. But and that's that's

(51:31):
just something I.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Like to do.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
But it's still a conversation, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
It's how you feel, and it's connection. I feel like
I'm i feel you know, more connection, I feel you know.
But yeah, I would say spiritual reckoning. I would say
spiritual reckoning, but it's it's I'm still caught up on
this artifact. I when I say artifact. I mean like,

(51:56):
I don't mean I want to have a kid and
then disappear. I don't believe in that. I'm like my
dad where it's like like bound by honor, you know,
to something like that. It's just more of a it's
more of a I don't think I can be married.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I just want to co parent.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
You said all of that just to say this.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
I just want you to know you just want a
cold parent.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I give him a copy of your book.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Just has a book coming out called Tell Death Parent
Privileged Publishing, Simon and Shooter, and it's all about cold parenting.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
So I just okay, So so you co parent, co
parent well with my son's father yet so she's married
to Yeah, but I'm not married to my son's father.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
I'm married just father was divorce or was it just
a no? No?

Speaker 9 (52:42):
No, that was just a relationship.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
We met when we were with nineteen or something like that,
and I had we had a track of their love
and oh, my master, Ashton, if you were not, but yes,
we did have anot of fact.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
His name is yes, Ashton, my name is Ashton.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Is it thought your name is Daniel?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
No? No, no, no, that was a whole other. My
dad was like, if you're not going to send gospel music,
you can't use my name. Wow damn.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Okay, so you've never been divorced.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
No, that's my first time being married.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
It's great.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
Okay, I've only been married for like seven eight months though,
but yeap, so we're nearly words.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
But yeah, I love it. Okay, you're going to read
this book. Yes, you can have this.

Speaker 8 (53:27):
Advise him to start out co parenting first if he
knows what's to do, or do you advise himself?

Speaker 7 (53:32):
No, no, no, no no, I would bringing it back
down and you were saying you have a kid, go
Actually you were just saying, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no, just.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Like I am just kind of like I'm just very
anti divorced, and I'm just like, why why why can't
I just im someone what I know? Would I believe
that I can promise them or I could promise them
more than I think we could. I should promise them,

(54:02):
We get divorced, and then we still end up doing
this anyhow, how many people are out here we speak,
self aware and trying to circumvent and maybe that's it's
maybe it's coward it's trying to circumvent the pain or
the you know, but it's kind of like a long
way there.

Speaker 7 (54:18):
It's like yo, shortcut baby, all right, let's go parent
right here right now, because I know I cannot be.
I can't participate in the active monogamy with you right now,
like because that's not how I feel marriage. It does
not serve me. I don't like it, all the things
attached to it. I do want a child. I want
my own offspring, though, and I would love to co
parent with you.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
That's what it is.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
So you got to find somebody that's like you, that
that is okay.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
With that to do that with.

Speaker 6 (54:42):
And there are women like.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Your money and your shoes as well, and you play
around with these women like that.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Confidence at least. But no, no, no, but you who
will do that? Here's and here's the thing. Because I've
been so honest today, I understand that there's probably it's
easy to assume that that I have a deep that

(55:16):
I don't understand women are like or how like I'm
a sitting duck for getting exploited by a woman that
just wants it for my money. I've been, I've been,
you know what I mean I know I can pick
a woman to have a child with me. I have values,
you know, and they sometimes it's like that's another thing,

(55:41):
is like sometimes the woman that aligns with my values
actually find this often the woman that aligns the most
with my values does not make me feel passion, But
she's she's a very good person.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
And a great baby maker.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
No, no, not even not even it's not even like
even like she's like not even a sexual thing. It's
just like her values. I respect her values. You know,
how much time do you have? Okay, I have another well,

(56:20):
I mean off off screen. You guys are calling me
as Daniel. Okay, this is another I'm filled with theories,
and I think one of the major reasons as to why,
and people are gonna be upset with me for saying this,

(56:42):
as to why, uh, the institution of marriage is suffering
so much, is because I personally think that there was
farther back in society. It's this the whole thing, like
withou like farther farther back in time, there was a
clear distinctnction amongst the classes of women in society. MM,

(57:04):
there were there were women that you court and they
don't and they're you know what I mean, and that
you don't have sex before marriage and all this stuff,
and then you know, you do the whole thing. And
there were prostitutes and there was a clear distinction in
society and men weren't just.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Like between visits and no's and black queens exactly. I
don't know I agree with that, but I understand what
you're saying.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I also, because all people are I'm talking about the
systems in which we live, they had to pick. You
have to pick all women because all women want to
be free and too experience prostitutes. The benefit of being
prostitute is you get to you're not beholding to all
these different rules that the wives have to beholden to.

(57:49):
You could be free. You can move to society as
you want, you know what I mean. However, obviously your
life is highly in danger. You know all these different you're.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Extreme as prostitute. There's mischief that feels like that the
mistress I feels like I don't want to be the wife.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I'm just happy being I know.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But now we're getting into two subgroups. If you if
you boil it down, it's like the wife is going
to call the mistress of prostitute same thing, you know
what I mean pretty much.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
Yeah, the girl that excites you that you have a
baby with, she's on the courting side for sure, or
is she on the prostitute side?

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
And this is actually actually where I have to Yeah,
you stop talking about it.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Because now, Yeah, one of my favorite songs on the album, by.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
The way, it's awesome, my favorite. Man.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
You have one of the most beautiful voices ever, so talented.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I'm so glad to meet you.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
So that actually might be the most honest song on
the album.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Probably a waste of your time.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Yeah, because I think that if all of us, I
think that's the problem, right, Like all of us act
like we know, and none of us truly do.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
We just know what we believe in whatever moment in
time that we're in.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
And if you're really doing this life thing right, you
remain open and you allow yourself to change in evall,
So you'll probably be saying who knows for the rest
of your life.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Who knows is actually always the right answer?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Yeah, Yeah, that is, yeah, very like, yeah, do what
that will like? Yeah? Yeah, who knows? So you just
whatever you think you're supposed to do is really the
only thing that you can afford.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
To be doing and think about all the stuff we
stress about that we truly don't know, you know what
I'm saying, Like all of these meanings of life and
where we go after we die, who we pray to,
all of these different things, who actually knows?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Nobody really knows.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And yeah, but learning to to live with that is.
It's kind of like I've been in this space lately
where I'm like, I used to think be thinking so
hard and so deeply on things, was like would give
me a leg up or an advantage and moving to

(01:00:15):
the world, And I'm like, Oh, I actually think it's
it's yeah, thinking is, yeah, you know what I mean,
Because it's you can't control after a certain point. If
you want to control outcomes, you have to be willing
to enact violence on others or to lie, to cheat,
or to steal. So it's just kind of like, yeah,

(01:00:35):
he's gonna move.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
On the song moon, you ask, who's gonna be my Jesus?
How does your dad feel when he hears you say
things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
At this At this point, he's like he just doesn't
like cursing. It's very very cribbing like that. Every everything else.
He's like, uh, you know what, he's gonna be Okay,
He's not a dummy, so he'll like, he'll figure it out.
He doesn't agree though. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
It's my last question. Man, if you could sit with
the version of yourself who first dropped the Fruitian Freudiandian Freudian,
what warning would you give that young brother and what
hope would you offer him?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I would tell him there is nothing to fear, and
literally just that, and if you are afraid, you can
just go and sit down somewhere until you're not afraid,
you know. But making decisions and moving to the world
afraid is it's the only way you'll have regrets. I

(01:01:41):
feel making like fight or flight decisions. I think I'd
have to think about that more. But off the top
of my head, yeah, being afraid, it's like, there's no
need to be afraid. You're good at your job. Just
be good at your job and do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
But what do you want to hear that Let's get
something off down on right now. What's your favorite record
that you would love the masters to hear. I feel
like you should play a couple We're already gonna play
have a baby with Me. Yeah, that's the single, right.
The next single, who Knows?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
That was good, definitely who Knows, Who Knows? Who Knows?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
And then you got a look at your album to
see what's on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I do because I'm this conversation is very exciting for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Me, so I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, that's good, that's the win. I would say, who knows,
rain down.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Rain Down. We appreciate you for joining us. Absolutely, it
was a great conversation for you.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
Absolutely absolutely check you, Vie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
We might hurt you when you come back, but.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Genuine Caesar is the breakfast club. Good morning, every day,
breakfast club.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
You're clinical, yachdum