February 26, 2026 • 32 mins
Today on The breakfast Club, Eva Marcille Dishes On 'Top Model' Doc, Self Love, New Film. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Click up the Breakfast Club. You don't finish for y'all done?
Good morning?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Everybody is v just Hilarry and Charlay the guy. We
are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
the building. Yes we do even more said welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How you feeling you bless and highly favored?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
How y'all doing it at.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Like?
Speaker 5 (00:26):
It's good to see you even because you're one of
the few people that's doing press right now, because everybody
in their mama that was on America's Top Model is
scared to death press what that documentary is that I'm
not gonna say who, but there was a person who
told us we still there, But there was a person
who told us that they weren't coming up here unless
we put in writing that we didn't ask them about
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America's Next Time Model.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, oh really?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Were they promoting other things? Club that she's in right
now when is popping and you know what, shout out
Tony Harlowe and I can absolutely appreciate her sentiments. And
I can tell you why one of the young ladies
on the documentary, if you saw it, Danny.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Dropped dead gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
She was one of the winners, and she said something
that I think it's I know, it's very true. It's
something that I try not to talk about a lot
because I'm very grateful for where I am. But doing
Top Model definitely puts the scarlet letter on your back.
I mean to know me, y'all knew me when you
did when you were with Wendy. Y'allkna me as Eva Pickford.
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I changed my name to Eva Marcel, which is my
legal middle name. But I changed it so that when
I went to audition, I walked in rooms, I wasn't
pre judge. They just saw a girl named Eva. It's
not that uncommon of a name, so they say Eva
m letter read for the role, and so then I
would get the role. And later they would realize like,
oh my god, that's that girl from that show. But
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I can tell you about ten thousand doors are closed.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I was for sure, Okay. Can I tell you why.
It's because we live in a new day.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
We live in a day today where to be a
reality star is to be a Kim Kardashian. To be
a reality star is to amplify a brand. And so
when you put someone like a just hilarious on something
you already know that you're gonna get automatic clicks because
we're coming to see you off the top.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
And so if you're selling athletic where.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We might mess around to what outfit too, but we're
gonna watch it because of you. When I came up,
there was no social media, Charlott Mane at all. My
interviews came through you, So my voice came through you.
And so me being a part of a brand took
away from the brand because y'all came to see me.
And if you're breaking out as a designer, you're not
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trying to worry about the girl that's walking down the
runway hangers. You're more so worried about the designer and
the looks. And so it was an odd time because
a big transition happened to where reality star became the
big thing, but it didn't change when it came to
Top Model because it was a TV show first for them,
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but for us it was a competition. It was a
competition that said, if you win this show, the baddest
person in modeling, the Queen of modeling, Tyra Banks, has
said you are good enough.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
She put you through a boot.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Camp that said you can do the riggers and if
you get this done, you go out into the world,
You're gonna be a star.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And then we went out into.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
The world and they were like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
mister Starr. When are you gonna twinkle?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
But you in Takara and like a Winny, y'all found
a way to brand y'allselves. And I always talked about
branding like she always used branding, like even before it
was a buzzword. So I feel like, did you learn that?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
There?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Absolutely see for me and I can only speak for myself.
I come from South central Los Angeles. I come from
You're gonna hustle, that's that's part of who you are.
And then I went to college and I went to
Clark Atlanta University, home of W. E. B. Du Bois,
and the model was find a way or make one.
So between coming up in the hood and knowing I
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had to get mine in paint, and then going to
college and understanding scholastically what that meant and putting that
into to work. After doing Top Model, I was like, oh, okay, cool.
So Tyra said I wasn't good enough and I won
the show. I'm popping Now I got to do the work,
and that was one thing that I was never confused about,
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one thing that Tyra did instill in me. And I
believe the rest of the girls, how much they picked
it up or not, I think that they believed that
as soon as you won, like the stars would open
and you'll get a billion dollars in your bank account.
They're like, no, we're gonna give you one hundred thousand
dollars sprinkled not quickly, and hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, see, no, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And I know I've heard other stories and I cannot
discount anyone's story. But Eva mar Still Pickford got her hundreds. Yeah,
it was like you get your initial money and then
when you came and I had the privilege of actually
signing one of the only girls is signed to Cover Girl.
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So after getting that initial one hundred thousand, they're like, okay,
now we want you to sell Mescara. Now you know
what I mean. And so it went on from there.
But the work never stopped. The work is ten thousand
times more than anyone expected.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And I think that's not what's talked about.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
What do you think made you into cars? Experiences with
top models so different? Because I feel like y'all are
the only two girls that could talk completely positive about everything.
And even when you talk about the negative, it's not
nothing like with the other girl.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
No, No, I mean the negative is is it's it's
life right Like That's why I say you, I mean
you have sharpi's here, but you usually learn how to
write with a pencil. That's why they have erasers because
to arias to be human, you're not gonna always get
it right.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And it's not just me.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It's ya Ya da Costa, who played Whitney Houston on Lifetime.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Ya Ya went on to do.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I mean, five seasons of Chicago Med. She did Lincoln Lawyer,
My Girls Popping, Yeah, and a lot of the women
are I would be a bit biased to say season
three we definitely stood out, and the black girls for
sure stood out. But I think that that's what they
were casting at that time they cast it, or an
early season season three, they didn't really know what they
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were doing.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
It wasn't even called reality TV.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Like, if you really think about it, back in two
thousand and three, two there was no reality TV.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You had Survivor and you had Real World and that
was it.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And then you had Top Model and American Idol. I
won the same year as Fantasia. So that's how long
I know. That's how long ago it is. And so
to answer your question, Lauren, I think that it was
just a great group of stars. They got women that
were bona fide stars in their own right. I don't
know if the producers knew exactly what it is they
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were going to tap into and and and really make
that star twinkle, but they taught us how to shine,
and they had stars like it or not. And Takr
walked in there f A B O l O. I
mean when I tell you that girl, it's fabulous.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
To this day, I love the facts.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Fabulous, wrong, but I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
But she spelled.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
That's how she spelled them.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
When she walked in, she's like, f A B. I
was like you he looks. Thank you. Listen.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's a shout out to the one and only NAP star.
A net out of New York City. She got five shops.
But Annette, she does me from my TV show All
the Queen's Men.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's a net. And thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Because representation means a lot. That's why I'm here today
to talk about my movie and and and uh top
model and all the things that I used to represent
who black women are and I fight like crazy from
my natural hair.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Were you invited to talk on the documentary that they did?
Will you invite because we didn't see you? No, dominary,
no invited.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I was not invited to talk about the documentary. I
was asked.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
When I realized that the documentary was coming out and
they started promoting it, I was asked by you know,
New York Times everybody, like, you know, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's hard to think when you don't know what you're watching.
I had no clue how they were going to skew
this what they were going to do.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
But I am intelligent enough to know that after.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Twenty two years of a show, there's no way you
can actually do a positive documentary speaking about the way
this woman truly changed the modeling game without talking to
the people that helped do so. So I kind of
knew they were going to kind of skew it in
a way that wasn't that was a bit biased. And
I'm not here to say that that Tyre's perfect. But
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I will be the first person to say I'll rock
hard body with Tyra Limbanks, I don't have some of
the biggest because we most likely all have positive things
to say, and so you can't a documentary either. They
didn't call it to Kara, I believe. I'm not sure
if they called yah Yah to do it or not.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
But I tried to do an interview. I mean I
reached out to your rep prior to it and he
said that you wanted to watch it. I reached out
to ya Ya's team and they said, no, she's not
doing the Top Model conversation. Me and sa Car did
an interview. But one of the things that I saw,
because I saw you.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Do the interview with the CBS Mornings, Yes you won't
see Yes Marnings and people were upset about the feeling
like you were defending some of the things that happened
in the interview, even though you said you were horrified.
How do you feel when you see that, Because I
know you've said Tyra has done so much for me,
You're not going to get me to a point where
I'm doing what we see a lot of the other girls.
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It's not more and so about how much she's done
for me. It's about how much Tyra has done as
a whole. I think that we as as onlookers with
media journalists. I think it's very easy to look on
the outside end and to point and call a flaw,
especially years and eons later. If I was to look
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back at Golden Girls the first three episodes, they had
a very very cute and flamboyant gay man who absolutely
disappeared after episode four, where is said best friend.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
He's nowhere. The world wasn't ready for it. We don't
talk about it, we don't deal with it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Now if we look at today's landscape about diversity and
inclusion and where we should be, look at Friends. It
took what eight seasons for them to get a black girlfriend,
and it was Ayisha. I mean, we can look back
at a lot of projects and think about where we
were and look at where we are, what we can affect,
and where we can go. But I think that we
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don't do ourselves a proper service when we look at
something like Top Model, which was so historic, that was
a brainchild of a very audacious young woman that decided
to go out and do something great. Did she stumble
at along the way? I don't see anybody at the
Olympics who didn't stumble. We all stumble that it means
to air is to be human. But I think that
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it's very easy to point a finger's but it's hard,
and it's easy to say all the people's flaws.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But what good did she do? I know what good
she did?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Winnie Harlowe was wearing the runways out. I have multiple businesses,
organization things that I do, and despite what I've had
to hurtle over. I mean, Kerrie Washington had to hurtle
over and she didn't do top models, So I counted
all joy I'm not.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't live in the woes of yesterday. We all
have our trauma. The beauty of me is that I've
healed from mine.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Haven't talked to Tyer since the doc because she hasn't
said anything.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I haven't talked to her since the documentary.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I went to lunch with mister Jay just the other
day and we chatted for a while.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I feel for everybody a part of the documentary because
they don't know what life is like to live under scrutiny.
You know, I know, y'all know, but most don't know
that are in the early two thousands, what it really
feels like to get troll daily.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
How's mister j holding up too?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Because now the conversation I saw a publicist, what's her name, Katron.
She made a statement that said, basically like he does
this every few years to try and get his name
in the media and throw things Tyver's away in a
negative way.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Oh, I'm talking bad about it.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
And that's been a conversation about because how their friendship ended,
and like, what are his intentions? He just telling his story.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Watching the documentary I learned about the friendship. I had
absolutely no idea, per my understanding. These are, you know,
like besties like me and my best to be rock
hard to the core. So I had no idea about
the severans him wanting to leave and then staying and
then kind of maybe feeling like he might be blackballed.
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Like that was all big news to me. I think
it's I think it's sad.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I'm a loyalist. I'm a scorpio to the core.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Unless you do something just absolutely egregious, we're gonna rock this.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Thing to the wills fall off.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And so to watch this all play out, he wrote
a book called The Bitch to model the meltdown a
while ago. It's a novel, and I mean his experience
is his experience. I I use the word go smacked
because I.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Said she was smack.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Why. I'm like, I ain't never heard you talk like that,
and it felt like you was on was it CBS?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
This wanted? I'm like, why is she going to see
this morning and coach.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
With you a little bit? No?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I didn't coach it.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I was.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I was bamboozed. I was led astray out and I
said that first.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, I said all of those things, but you also
have to realize, Charlevagne, I went to school for speech communication.
Speech is actually what I do. Vernacular is my thing.
On the Ricky Smiley Morning Show, they called me Sillilo
Marcil like I enjoy words. I enjoy syllables beyond monosyllabic
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English that we're used to. I think we as people
have a way of being extremely expressive and a lot
of things we do, and I think that words should be.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
One that we exercise more oftenly.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So I was I couldn't find a word beyond a
curse word.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I was.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I was in awe because to find out that you
were a part of a situation and had no clue,
it was just.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
A bunch of a bunch of hibble giggle.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It was just it was and and and flabbergastri and
and I was just.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Heable gibble.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, Yeah, I was taken aback.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
You know, there's been a lot of conversation in recent
years about reality TV and mental health, like when you
look back, what did this show get wrong? Especially with
like young women?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Oh so many? How long do we have?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I think what we forget is that A we were
all young. We were very very young, and we were
very impressionable. And though even ken Max says this show
gave us a promise of a dream and of a career,
I think there's somewhere inside of ourselves that we knew
that that.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Wasn't really true.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And not saying that the business wasn't something that we
could do, but there's just no way that all of
us were going to end up being these huge, big stars.
And so I think that I prepared myself mentally early on,
like if this doesn't work out, what do I do?
I wouldn't be gobsmacked that was going back to college.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Being brutally honest that bad, you know, because sometimes people
need to hear honesty in a place where people are
being truthful.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
To me, truthful and honesty and hurt are are all
different things. And you always have that girlfriend that's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Girl, I was just keeping it real. No, you were
being very mean.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Sometimes people need to hear that though, well, truth without
compassion is cruelty, it is.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
True, and I think that we make a great excuse
to be be honest while.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Being extremely mean and extremely hurtful.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And so Janice Dickinson, for an example, I won the
show and I remember after winning, she was like, thank God,
now you can finally get your nose job Jesus, and
I quickly went to a mirror.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Didn't realize I had a.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Nose issue at all. I knew that I was too short.
I knew I was androgynoust, so they called me a
man woman all these things. But now I'm oh, yeah,
as I was so scared to cut my hair shorter
and go blonde because they.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Came on the show, it was like your vibe was
very like la cool, like tom boyish.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I mean, I'm still here in a suit, and like,
that's just I have three brothers, That's how I get down.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
So you felt the way because that was your storyline
on the show, and they leaned into it, and you
were so confident on the show. I didn't know you
felt away about them calling you those things.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I didn't know I was malad attracted them until I
went to college. I was walking down the quads and said,
God damn, trying to read. And I remember saying, is
that a good thing or a bad thing? And he
also said, if I ate a little bit more, I'll
be fine.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yet, But I didn't really have an idea of like
what aesthetics were and what men were into and all
that stuff until school. My confidence lied in the fact
that I knew who I was. My parents were very militant.
The computer room was exactly that because we read Encyclopaedia Britanna.
Because every single day, book report, every single day. To
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be to to I have to study to show myself approved,
like all all the time, straight a's, Dean's led scholarships.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That was that was me.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
So the nose job then, like that conversation, so you
took you looked in the mirror, and then what happens
following all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I definitely had a mild complex about my nose. Couldn't
figure out. I didn't see what was wrong, so I
didn't know what to make right, which was the hardest part.
Like you know, like it say, I like your hair
is cut, but you got a little piece right here,
like you know you need to cut that piece.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I didn't know what to do. Your hair is bombed.
Don't listen to him. You can grow hair. So there's that.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Okay, it's my choice, not by force.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
I know, that's right. Last time you were here, we
get into all that because you got some updates too.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
We do have some updates, but we want to talk
about getting push off this plane because I.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Really wanted to hear a certain time.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Sorry, well, because they lean into each other. You know,
last time I was here, I was kind of giving
you an update on love and where I was at.
I was not in the most positive place, which is
this is one of the few stops I made because
I knew that I would reach all my people and
that you guys would hander me with a nice.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Glove kid gloves. She s nice.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
No, I wasn't kid gloves.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I had a couple of little one too, But you know,
I had Lauren over here, so I knew I was striight.
But this movie, it reminds me of a lot of
spaces that a lot of us black women are in.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He pushed off a plane and survived.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So push off a plane and survives. About a woman
named Janey who is in her late thirties early forties,
serial entrepreneur, all about her business, all about her money.
She owns three different hair salons, does extremely well for herself.
The one thing she has never focused on is love.
So finally you get to that age and you're like
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late thirties, early forties, You're like, maybe I want a man,
maybe I want kids, maybe I want all these things.
And so she goes on the dating gaps and all
the stuff, and she's trying to find love and she
meets a guy Tyler Lepley cool, yes Cole for this movie.
And this is not Colon I's first rendezvous. We did
a film before called Buried Alive and survived. So for
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whatever reason, I love being tortured with I do we
see you know that's the black woman in me. We're
gonna survive. You're gonna knock us down, but we're gonna
get up. And so get pushed off of plane. His
weird hobby is that he likes skydiving and instead of
being a prude. I like pickleball, so instead of playing pickleball,
decide the skydive, which was the best and worst decision
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of my life. You have to tune into it on Saturday,
February twenty eighth on Lifetime eight pm, seventh Central. It's
going down tyler Lepley and I back in love again.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Damn God, damn So.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I've done this simulated one like the white the one
who a sky.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
So, the way my body is set up is I
believe in God and the afterlife, but in this life now,
the three children I have here, I would like to
be there with.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
All my philangies and limbs working.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I did it once how to go?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He never did it again?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, I never did it again. So I did it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But it was a birthday gift, surprise birthday gift for
my wife to me. So we drove out there the
whole time. I mean, every excuse why we shouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
She love you, but she knew not like you crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Years.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Don't listen, she needs an shot.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, no, he's fine. Now she's fine. Now this is
this is that's different.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But anyway, we went out there, we jumped out the
plane and then I started looking at all the plane
accidents that happened in all the sky diving accidents and
was like, why the hell would I do that? And
never did it again. But the adrenaline and what it
was was amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Rosha, libido back.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No, that has something different. Me and my wife met
she was fit teen. I was sixteen.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Because you start, you want to go through that, I
do gotta go.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
To So I learned sex. Guys don't talk about how
to have sex. I learned from watching porn Bang bang
bang bang bank. That did not work. My mouth game
was good, but the penetration game wasn't. So she and
during an argument she told me you're my.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Age though, so it wasn't real porn. It was like
skinning mac crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
What's pool and that's what it was. And she didn't
orgasm in a while. She told me the argument.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
We wrote a book about it to a while.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
But she met her at sixteen, so she had somebody
before you first.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
First he didn't show until I was able to do
it in my mouth, not through penetration.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Come on, this is my mind so much right now.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The movie, Well, the reason why I jumped off the
plane because we did not have any of those problems.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He pushed me off the plane willingly. I him all
things ago.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
But I feel like the movie is a lesson about
trusting someone too soon as an accomplished woman.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
But see the question truly is just when it is
too soon, because there is one of my favorite scenes
in the movie is he asks me to stand on
this this this ledge and fall backward. And you ever
seen that like that trust fall? Ain't no way I'm
falling backward. And we didn't have stunts, we didn't have
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a pat down. And I've worked with Tyler before. I'm
a little dancer than I look, so I think I'm
a little heavier and.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
He caught me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And it's that feeling of trust, that letting go and
knowing that someone has you and not because you can
feel it, but because you don't fall. And I think
that is what she's searching for, that high of jumping
and not actually hitting the grounds that say.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Do you have that with somebody?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
They can? You know?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
My wedding song was that Leela James has a song
catch Me, I'm falling for you, and it speaks about
I'm ready, I'm about to jump now. I need you
down there because I do not want to fall, but
I do want to take this jump, and so I
think this is what this movie is about. And honestly,
sometimes you get it wrong and sometimes you get it right.
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But the biggest part that I took away from it
is that most of the time you're going to get
it wrong. Ninety nine percent of the people you date
you will not be with forever. So get back on
that horse.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Try it again.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
But what about the reverse psychology and all the tactics
of the manipulation and a lot how do you.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
That's not your guy?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
If any of that stuff exists, that's not your person. No,
but see Cole he the flags were there a lot
of times. The flags are there. You have sage council.
Your homegirl is like, friend, I am not feeling this.
You know this is crazy. My sister in this movie
she knew it. But she also was so close to me.
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None of my relationships worked out. She used to bet
on my dates like this ain't gonna work. Got twenty dollars.
You know he's a dud.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
So there's that too.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You just have to believe in yourself, trust your instincts,
and keep your friends close because when he doesn't work out,
she will still be there.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
So you're where you are right now in life. In
real life, it does parallel because I know you and
Mike got back together and y'all are together, and that
is your forever.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
We saw the like you know, well, he will always
be my forever because we have children together. We have
three amazing kids, and there is no life without him
since we've had them, so we're always forever. I think
that since the divorce, and because I'm not very public
and not a first strap kind of girl, and you know,
I don't throw a lot of pictures up there, the
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world's wondering, like what's going on, and we are at
a beautiful place. I think the first time the world's
always together again was in essence. I was down there
hosting the main stage, and he.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Was free, and everybody was excited for you.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Also, because we love black love, We love love, especially
family unity. You know, Mike was adopted, and so when
it comes to what family looks like and what DNA
looks like and titles, we don't find ourselves too caught
up on that. I think that that's what kind of
hurt to begin with. Anybody that's dated for a long
time then got married you realize things changed, but nothing
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really changed but the title. But now you feel the
pressure to change things. All that stuff is gone. All
that's gone, and I am the beautiful mother of his
amazing children. He is amazing father to our children, and
we have a great relationship.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
I have a question for I guess you, but everybody
in the room. Then, so y'all are married? The pressure coming.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
No, we're not married. We're divorced.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
So you guys are still divorced.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yes, we got divorced.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I know, but I thought, I don't know what I
thought you guys did. She was also for another merge
on the other side. I mean, just I didn't know
what talk about it. So then are you so y'all
are back to y'all are back together? Well that wasn't
even honestly my quest. But we here now, so y'all
are back together? So is there going to be another
proposal of marriage?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
We are still figuring things out, but we are definitely
not where we were last time I was here. Last
time I was talking about and after that I was depressed, emaciated.
Phone conversations were very minimal, and now we can joke,
We shoot pool like it's you want to come over
and have some whiskey. Like we are at such a
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different space and I think that that is more important
than the labels. When you think about my daughter who
just turned twelve. We have a twelve year old little girl.
We have a seven year old son and a six
year old son. So what world do we want to
give them? The world of labels and ideas of what everything,
everything the world thinks we should be or the truth
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mom is there for every holiday. I just took them
a raw yesterday and flew here today just to take
them courtside to see raw like it's just it's family
and that'll never change, and that is the FOREPP. But
what were the pressures then, because it seems like you
guys have always been a line like that, and that's
why everybody was so happy when you guys got together,
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even we were a housewives, like it was good to
see you in that space.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
So what was that pressure?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I mean, try having two children and being married and
being then the limelight.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Lord.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It is not the easiest thing. And I'm kind of
from a very very black family. That is what happens
at home stays at home, and so we are united
front wherever we go.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
But I was not fit.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I didn't fail to be most likely a full on
nuisance and irritant to him. And we definitely had our problems,
Like as every married couple, I mean a decade in,
three kids later, pressed, You're going to have your problems.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So we definitely had our problems.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And I thought, I'm not one of those that feel
like I want to do this in the public, and
I'm not one to like string along. I feel like
separations can get very messy. And so when you find
yourself in that space, is that limbo space that's like
you can kind of do what you can't, kind of
do what I can, kind of clock you, but I can't. Yeah,
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I am way more madam than you think. That is
not safe for anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Way more mad.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yes, and control you got your mind? Well, yeah, we
live in a right to carry state in Georgia.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I'm confused.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
I'm just saying, chitty bang bang nigga.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I was talking about the mad having the hole.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
She's in control and quick the phone before she gave me.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Make sure real quick, real quick about the movie. I
know you gotta go.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
I gotta go with you, but come on, yet so
what was the hardest thing about filming the movie?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Because you have you.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Know, okay, so the hardest thing about filming this film
and shout out to Lifetime because Lifetime is not going
to give you a little stage and make it pretty.
They want to get as gritty as possible.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
So two scenes.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
One my drowning scene, because you can't fake drown so
you have to really drown. So the drowning scene was
absolutely insane. And then being pushed off of the plane
and the falling and the debris and being under Ah,
my goodness, the special.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No it was real deal.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, no, no, he means that they sent us the green
screen is still in it.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Oh, it won't be what happened Charlemagne and the God.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
You happened to have the luxury of getting the screenair price.
So there are certain VFX and if you could appreciate
the writer strike that we just had. There's a lot
of AI and VFX that go into a production now.
So you got to see some of the first cuts, gotcha,
and the world will see the final cut on February
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the twenty eighth, on this good Saturday. Get your popcorn,
get your girls, grab your friends, whatever, your drink or
non drink of choice is get ready.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
An't worried about doing press right now because she won't
get through the Let's definitely check it.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Out earlier when the producers of America next time.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I don't know what they were doing.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
And that's why I say, you can't stop a star
from being a star, regardless of what the platform is
that you know.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Causes them to take one to know one.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You can.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I see you out here. I appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Congratulations two hundred million.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Shut up, period, Jesus. I love a.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Don't do that and don't require is because he told
you no.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Because I got what I need to get out and
he mad now and so it's fine and I'm gonna
tell me too. It looked just like his happy face.
He's just angry, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Even more sol ladies and gentlemen, It's the breakfast club.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Good morning, love you more every day up, wake ago,
click your glass up.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
The breakfast club you finished for y'all.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Dune
Every day a week.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Click up the Breakfast Club. You don't finish for y'all done?
Good morning?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Everybody is v just Hilarry and Charlay the guy. We
are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
the building. Yes we do even more said welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How you feeling you bless and highly favored?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
How y'all doing it at.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Like?
Speaker 5 (00:26):
It's good to see you even because you're one of
the few people that's doing press right now, because everybody
in their mama that was on America's Top Model is
scared to death press what that documentary is that I'm
not gonna say who, but there was a person who
told us we still there, But there was a person
who told us that they weren't coming up here unless
we put in writing that we didn't ask them about
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America's Next Time Model.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, oh really?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Were they promoting other things? Club that she's in right
now when is popping and you know what, shout out
Tony Harlowe and I can absolutely appreciate her sentiments. And
I can tell you why one of the young ladies
on the documentary, if you saw it, Danny.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Dropped dead gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
She was one of the winners, and she said something
that I think it's I know, it's very true. It's
something that I try not to talk about a lot
because I'm very grateful for where I am. But doing
Top Model definitely puts the scarlet letter on your back.
I mean to know me, y'all knew me when you
did when you were with Wendy. Y'allkna me as Eva Pickford.
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I changed my name to Eva Marcel, which is my
legal middle name. But I changed it so that when
I went to audition, I walked in rooms, I wasn't
pre judge. They just saw a girl named Eva. It's
not that uncommon of a name, so they say Eva
m letter read for the role, and so then I
would get the role. And later they would realize like,
oh my god, that's that girl from that show. But
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I can tell you about ten thousand doors are closed.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I was for sure, Okay. Can I tell you why.
It's because we live in a new day.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
We live in a day today where to be a
reality star is to be a Kim Kardashian. To be
a reality star is to amplify a brand. And so
when you put someone like a just hilarious on something
you already know that you're gonna get automatic clicks because
we're coming to see you off the top.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
And so if you're selling athletic where.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We might mess around to what outfit too, but we're
gonna watch it because of you. When I came up,
there was no social media, Charlott Mane at all. My
interviews came through you, So my voice came through you.
And so me being a part of a brand took
away from the brand because y'all came to see me.
And if you're breaking out as a designer, you're not
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trying to worry about the girl that's walking down the
runway hangers. You're more so worried about the designer and
the looks. And so it was an odd time because
a big transition happened to where reality star became the
big thing, but it didn't change when it came to
Top Model because it was a TV show first for them,
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but for us it was a competition. It was a
competition that said, if you win this show, the baddest
person in modeling, the Queen of modeling, Tyra Banks, has
said you are good enough.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
She put you through a boot.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Camp that said you can do the riggers and if
you get this done, you go out into the world,
You're gonna be a star.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And then we went out into.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
The world and they were like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
mister Starr. When are you gonna twinkle?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
But you in Takara and like a Winny, y'all found
a way to brand y'allselves. And I always talked about
branding like she always used branding, like even before it
was a buzzword. So I feel like, did you learn that?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
There?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Absolutely see for me and I can only speak for myself.
I come from South central Los Angeles. I come from
You're gonna hustle, that's that's part of who you are.
And then I went to college and I went to
Clark Atlanta University, home of W. E. B. Du Bois,
and the model was find a way or make one.
So between coming up in the hood and knowing I
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had to get mine in paint, and then going to
college and understanding scholastically what that meant and putting that
into to work. After doing Top Model, I was like, oh, okay, cool.
So Tyra said I wasn't good enough and I won
the show. I'm popping Now I got to do the work,
and that was one thing that I was never confused about,
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one thing that Tyra did instill in me. And I
believe the rest of the girls, how much they picked
it up or not, I think that they believed that
as soon as you won, like the stars would open
and you'll get a billion dollars in your bank account.
They're like, no, we're gonna give you one hundred thousand
dollars sprinkled not quickly, and hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, see, no, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And I know I've heard other stories and I cannot
discount anyone's story. But Eva mar Still Pickford got her hundreds. Yeah,
it was like you get your initial money and then
when you came and I had the privilege of actually
signing one of the only girls is signed to Cover Girl.
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So after getting that initial one hundred thousand, they're like, okay,
now we want you to sell Mescara. Now you know
what I mean. And so it went on from there.
But the work never stopped. The work is ten thousand
times more than anyone expected.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And I think that's not what's talked about.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
What do you think made you into cars? Experiences with
top models so different? Because I feel like y'all are
the only two girls that could talk completely positive about everything.
And even when you talk about the negative, it's not
nothing like with the other girl.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
No, No, I mean the negative is is it's it's
life right Like That's why I say you, I mean
you have sharpi's here, but you usually learn how to
write with a pencil. That's why they have erasers because
to arias to be human, you're not gonna always get
it right.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And it's not just me.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It's ya Ya da Costa, who played Whitney Houston on Lifetime.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Ya Ya went on to do.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I mean, five seasons of Chicago Med. She did Lincoln Lawyer,
My Girls Popping, Yeah, and a lot of the women
are I would be a bit biased to say season
three we definitely stood out, and the black girls for
sure stood out. But I think that that's what they
were casting at that time they cast it, or an
early season season three, they didn't really know what they
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were doing.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
It wasn't even called reality TV.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Like, if you really think about it, back in two
thousand and three, two there was no reality TV.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You had Survivor and you had Real World and that
was it.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And then you had Top Model and American Idol. I
won the same year as Fantasia. So that's how long
I know. That's how long ago it is. And so
to answer your question, Lauren, I think that it was
just a great group of stars. They got women that
were bona fide stars in their own right. I don't
know if the producers knew exactly what it is they
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were going to tap into and and and really make
that star twinkle, but they taught us how to shine,
and they had stars like it or not. And Takr
walked in there f A B O l O. I
mean when I tell you that girl, it's fabulous.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
To this day, I love the facts.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Fabulous, wrong, but I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
But she spelled.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
That's how she spelled them.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
When she walked in, she's like, f A B. I
was like you he looks. Thank you. Listen.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's a shout out to the one and only NAP star.
A net out of New York City. She got five shops.
But Annette, she does me from my TV show All
the Queen's Men.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's a net. And thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Because representation means a lot. That's why I'm here today
to talk about my movie and and and uh top
model and all the things that I used to represent
who black women are and I fight like crazy from
my natural hair.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Were you invited to talk on the documentary that they did?
Will you invite because we didn't see you? No, dominary,
no invited.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I was not invited to talk about the documentary. I
was asked.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
When I realized that the documentary was coming out and
they started promoting it, I was asked by you know,
New York Times everybody, like, you know, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's hard to think when you don't know what you're watching.
I had no clue how they were going to skew
this what they were going to do.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
But I am intelligent enough to know that after.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Twenty two years of a show, there's no way you
can actually do a positive documentary speaking about the way
this woman truly changed the modeling game without talking to
the people that helped do so. So I kind of
knew they were going to kind of skew it in
a way that wasn't that was a bit biased. And
I'm not here to say that that Tyre's perfect. But
(08:53):
I will be the first person to say I'll rock
hard body with Tyra Limbanks, I don't have some of
the biggest because we most likely all have positive things
to say, and so you can't a documentary either. They
didn't call it to Kara, I believe. I'm not sure
if they called yah Yah to do it or not.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
But I tried to do an interview. I mean I
reached out to your rep prior to it and he
said that you wanted to watch it. I reached out
to ya Ya's team and they said, no, she's not
doing the Top Model conversation. Me and sa Car did
an interview. But one of the things that I saw,
because I saw you.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Do the interview with the CBS Mornings, Yes you won't
see Yes Marnings and people were upset about the feeling
like you were defending some of the things that happened
in the interview, even though you said you were horrified.
How do you feel when you see that, Because I
know you've said Tyra has done so much for me,
You're not going to get me to a point where
I'm doing what we see a lot of the other girls.
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It's not more and so about how much she's done
for me. It's about how much Tyra has done as
a whole. I think that we as as onlookers with
media journalists. I think it's very easy to look on
the outside end and to point and call a flaw,
especially years and eons later. If I was to look
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back at Golden Girls the first three episodes, they had
a very very cute and flamboyant gay man who absolutely
disappeared after episode four, where is said best friend.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
He's nowhere. The world wasn't ready for it. We don't
talk about it, we don't deal with it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Now if we look at today's landscape about diversity and
inclusion and where we should be, look at Friends. It
took what eight seasons for them to get a black girlfriend,
and it was Ayisha. I mean, we can look back
at a lot of projects and think about where we
were and look at where we are, what we can affect,
and where we can go. But I think that we
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don't do ourselves a proper service when we look at
something like Top Model, which was so historic, that was
a brainchild of a very audacious young woman that decided
to go out and do something great. Did she stumble
at along the way? I don't see anybody at the
Olympics who didn't stumble. We all stumble that it means
to air is to be human. But I think that
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it's very easy to point a finger's but it's hard,
and it's easy to say all the people's flaws.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But what good did she do? I know what good
she did?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Winnie Harlowe was wearing the runways out. I have multiple businesses,
organization things that I do, and despite what I've had
to hurtle over. I mean, Kerrie Washington had to hurtle
over and she didn't do top models, So I counted
all joy I'm not.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't live in the woes of yesterday. We all
have our trauma. The beauty of me is that I've
healed from mine.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Haven't talked to Tyer since the doc because she hasn't
said anything.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I haven't talked to her since the documentary.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I went to lunch with mister Jay just the other
day and we chatted for a while.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I feel for everybody a part of the documentary because
they don't know what life is like to live under scrutiny.
You know, I know, y'all know, but most don't know
that are in the early two thousands, what it really
feels like to get troll daily.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
How's mister j holding up too?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Because now the conversation I saw a publicist, what's her name, Katron.
She made a statement that said, basically like he does
this every few years to try and get his name
in the media and throw things Tyver's away in a
negative way.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Oh, I'm talking bad about it.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
And that's been a conversation about because how their friendship ended,
and like, what are his intentions? He just telling his story.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Watching the documentary I learned about the friendship. I had
absolutely no idea, per my understanding. These are, you know,
like besties like me and my best to be rock
hard to the core. So I had no idea about
the severans him wanting to leave and then staying and
then kind of maybe feeling like he might be blackballed.
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Like that was all big news to me. I think
it's I think it's sad.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I'm a loyalist. I'm a scorpio to the core.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Unless you do something just absolutely egregious, we're gonna rock this.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Thing to the wills fall off.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And so to watch this all play out, he wrote
a book called The Bitch to model the meltdown a
while ago. It's a novel, and I mean his experience
is his experience. I I use the word go smacked
because I.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Said she was smack.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Why. I'm like, I ain't never heard you talk like that,
and it felt like you was on was it CBS?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
This wanted? I'm like, why is she going to see
this morning and coach.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
With you a little bit? No?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I didn't coach it.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I was.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I was bamboozed. I was led astray out and I
said that first.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, I said all of those things, but you also
have to realize, Charlevagne, I went to school for speech communication.
Speech is actually what I do. Vernacular is my thing.
On the Ricky Smiley Morning Show, they called me Sillilo
Marcil like I enjoy words. I enjoy syllables beyond monosyllabic
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English that we're used to. I think we as people
have a way of being extremely expressive and a lot
of things we do, and I think that words should be.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
One that we exercise more oftenly.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So I was I couldn't find a word beyond a
curse word.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I was.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I was in awe because to find out that you
were a part of a situation and had no clue,
it was just.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
A bunch of a bunch of hibble giggle.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It was just it was and and and flabbergastri and
and I was just.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Heable gibble.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, Yeah, I was taken aback.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
You know, there's been a lot of conversation in recent
years about reality TV and mental health, like when you
look back, what did this show get wrong? Especially with
like young women?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Oh so many? How long do we have?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I think what we forget is that A we were
all young. We were very very young, and we were
very impressionable. And though even ken Max says this show
gave us a promise of a dream and of a career,
I think there's somewhere inside of ourselves that we knew
that that.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Wasn't really true.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And not saying that the business wasn't something that we
could do, but there's just no way that all of
us were going to end up being these huge, big stars.
And so I think that I prepared myself mentally early on,
like if this doesn't work out, what do I do?
I wouldn't be gobsmacked that was going back to college.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Being brutally honest that bad, you know, because sometimes people
need to hear honesty in a place where people are
being truthful.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
To me, truthful and honesty and hurt are are all
different things. And you always have that girlfriend that's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Girl, I was just keeping it real. No, you were
being very mean.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Sometimes people need to hear that though, well, truth without
compassion is cruelty, it is.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
True, and I think that we make a great excuse
to be be honest while.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Being extremely mean and extremely hurtful.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And so Janice Dickinson, for an example, I won the
show and I remember after winning, she was like, thank God,
now you can finally get your nose job Jesus, and
I quickly went to a mirror.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Didn't realize I had a.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Nose issue at all. I knew that I was too short.
I knew I was androgynoust, so they called me a
man woman all these things. But now I'm oh, yeah,
as I was so scared to cut my hair shorter
and go blonde because they.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Came on the show, it was like your vibe was
very like la cool, like tom boyish.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I mean, I'm still here in a suit, and like,
that's just I have three brothers, That's how I get down.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
So you felt the way because that was your storyline
on the show, and they leaned into it, and you
were so confident on the show. I didn't know you
felt away about them calling you those things.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I didn't know I was malad attracted them until I
went to college. I was walking down the quads and said,
God damn, trying to read. And I remember saying, is
that a good thing or a bad thing? And he
also said, if I ate a little bit more, I'll
be fine.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yet, But I didn't really have an idea of like
what aesthetics were and what men were into and all
that stuff until school. My confidence lied in the fact
that I knew who I was. My parents were very militant.
The computer room was exactly that because we read Encyclopaedia Britanna.
Because every single day, book report, every single day. To
(18:03):
be to to I have to study to show myself approved,
like all all the time, straight a's, Dean's led scholarships.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That was that was me.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
So the nose job then, like that conversation, so you
took you looked in the mirror, and then what happens
following all the stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I definitely had a mild complex about my nose. Couldn't
figure out. I didn't see what was wrong, so I
didn't know what to make right, which was the hardest part.
Like you know, like it say, I like your hair
is cut, but you got a little piece right here,
like you know you need to cut that piece.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I didn't know what to do. Your hair is bombed.
Don't listen to him. You can grow hair. So there's that.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Okay, it's my choice, not by force.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
I know, that's right. Last time you were here, we
get into all that because you got some updates too.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
We do have some updates, but we want to talk
about getting push off this plane because I.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Really wanted to hear a certain time.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Sorry, well, because they lean into each other. You know,
last time I was here, I was kind of giving
you an update on love and where I was at.
I was not in the most positive place, which is
this is one of the few stops I made because
I knew that I would reach all my people and
that you guys would hander me with a nice.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Glove kid gloves. She s nice.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
No, I wasn't kid gloves.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I had a couple of little one too, But you know,
I had Lauren over here, so I knew I was striight.
But this movie, it reminds me of a lot of
spaces that a lot of us black women are in.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
He pushed off a plane and survived.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So push off a plane and survives. About a woman
named Janey who is in her late thirties early forties,
serial entrepreneur, all about her business, all about her money.
She owns three different hair salons, does extremely well for herself.
The one thing she has never focused on is love.
So finally you get to that age and you're like
(19:58):
late thirties, early forties, You're like, maybe I want a man,
maybe I want kids, maybe I want all these things.
And so she goes on the dating gaps and all
the stuff, and she's trying to find love and she
meets a guy Tyler Lepley cool, yes Cole for this movie.
And this is not Colon I's first rendezvous. We did
a film before called Buried Alive and survived. So for
(20:20):
whatever reason, I love being tortured with I do we
see you know that's the black woman in me. We're
gonna survive. You're gonna knock us down, but we're gonna
get up. And so get pushed off of plane. His
weird hobby is that he likes skydiving and instead of
being a prude. I like pickleball, so instead of playing pickleball,
decide the skydive, which was the best and worst decision
(20:42):
of my life. You have to tune into it on Saturday,
February twenty eighth on Lifetime eight pm, seventh Central. It's
going down tyler Lepley and I back in love again.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Damn God, damn So.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I've done this simulated one like the white the one
who a sky.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
So, the way my body is set up is I
believe in God and the afterlife, but in this life now,
the three children I have here, I would like to
be there with.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
All my philangies and limbs working.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I did it once how to go?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He never did it again?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, I never did it again. So I did it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But it was a birthday gift, surprise birthday gift for
my wife to me. So we drove out there the
whole time. I mean, every excuse why we shouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
She love you, but she knew not like you crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Years.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Don't listen, she needs an shot.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, no, he's fine. Now she's fine. Now this is
this is that's different.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But anyway, we went out there, we jumped out the
plane and then I started looking at all the plane
accidents that happened in all the sky diving accidents and
was like, why the hell would I do that? And
never did it again. But the adrenaline and what it
was was amazing.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Rosha, libido back.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No, that has something different. Me and my wife met
she was fit teen. I was sixteen.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
Because you start, you want to go through that, I
do gotta go.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
To So I learned sex. Guys don't talk about how
to have sex. I learned from watching porn Bang bang
bang bang bank. That did not work. My mouth game
was good, but the penetration game wasn't. So she and
during an argument she told me you're my.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Age though, so it wasn't real porn. It was like
skinning mac crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
What's pool and that's what it was. And she didn't
orgasm in a while. She told me the argument.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
We wrote a book about it to a while.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
But she met her at sixteen, so she had somebody
before you first.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
First he didn't show until I was able to do
it in my mouth, not through penetration.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Come on, this is my mind so much right now.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The movie, Well, the reason why I jumped off the
plane because we did not have any of those problems.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He pushed me off the plane willingly. I him all
things ago.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
But I feel like the movie is a lesson about
trusting someone too soon as an accomplished woman.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
But see the question truly is just when it is
too soon, because there is one of my favorite scenes
in the movie is he asks me to stand on
this this this ledge and fall backward. And you ever
seen that like that trust fall? Ain't no way I'm
falling backward. And we didn't have stunts, we didn't have
(23:23):
a pat down. And I've worked with Tyler before. I'm
a little dancer than I look, so I think I'm
a little heavier and.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
He caught me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And it's that feeling of trust, that letting go and
knowing that someone has you and not because you can
feel it, but because you don't fall. And I think
that is what she's searching for, that high of jumping
and not actually hitting the grounds that say.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Do you have that with somebody?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
They can? You know?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
My wedding song was that Leela James has a song
catch Me, I'm falling for you, and it speaks about
I'm ready, I'm about to jump now. I need you
down there because I do not want to fall, but
I do want to take this jump, and so I
think this is what this movie is about. And honestly,
sometimes you get it wrong and sometimes you get it right.
(24:14):
But the biggest part that I took away from it
is that most of the time you're going to get
it wrong. Ninety nine percent of the people you date
you will not be with forever. So get back on
that horse.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Try it again.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
But what about the reverse psychology and all the tactics
of the manipulation and a lot how do you.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
That's not your guy?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
If any of that stuff exists, that's not your person. No,
but see Cole he the flags were there a lot
of times. The flags are there. You have sage council.
Your homegirl is like, friend, I am not feeling this.
You know this is crazy. My sister in this movie
she knew it. But she also was so close to me.
(24:58):
None of my relationships worked out. She used to bet
on my dates like this ain't gonna work. Got twenty dollars.
You know he's a dud.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
So there's that too.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
You just have to believe in yourself, trust your instincts,
and keep your friends close because when he doesn't work out,
she will still be there.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
So you're where you are right now in life. In
real life, it does parallel because I know you and
Mike got back together and y'all are together, and that
is your forever.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
We saw the like you know, well, he will always
be my forever because we have children together. We have
three amazing kids, and there is no life without him
since we've had them, so we're always forever. I think
that since the divorce, and because I'm not very public
and not a first strap kind of girl, and you know,
I don't throw a lot of pictures up there, the
(25:46):
world's wondering, like what's going on, and we are at
a beautiful place. I think the first time the world's
always together again was in essence. I was down there
hosting the main stage, and he.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Was free, and everybody was excited for you.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Also, because we love black love, We love love, especially
family unity. You know, Mike was adopted, and so when
it comes to what family looks like and what DNA
looks like and titles, we don't find ourselves too caught
up on that. I think that that's what kind of
hurt to begin with. Anybody that's dated for a long
time then got married you realize things changed, but nothing
(26:21):
really changed but the title. But now you feel the
pressure to change things. All that stuff is gone. All
that's gone, and I am the beautiful mother of his
amazing children. He is amazing father to our children, and
we have a great relationship.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
I have a question for I guess you, but everybody
in the room. Then, so y'all are married? The pressure coming.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
No, we're not married. We're divorced.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
So you guys are still divorced.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yes, we got divorced.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I know, but I thought, I don't know what I
thought you guys did. She was also for another merge
on the other side. I mean, just I didn't know
what talk about it. So then are you so y'all
are back to y'all are back together? Well that wasn't
even honestly my quest. But we here now, so y'all
are back together? So is there going to be another
proposal of marriage?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
We are still figuring things out, but we are definitely
not where we were last time I was here. Last
time I was talking about and after that I was depressed, emaciated.
Phone conversations were very minimal, and now we can joke,
We shoot pool like it's you want to come over
and have some whiskey. Like we are at such a
(27:25):
different space and I think that that is more important
than the labels. When you think about my daughter who
just turned twelve. We have a twelve year old little girl.
We have a seven year old son and a six
year old son. So what world do we want to
give them? The world of labels and ideas of what everything,
everything the world thinks we should be or the truth
(27:47):
mom is there for every holiday. I just took them
a raw yesterday and flew here today just to take
them courtside to see raw like it's just it's family
and that'll never change, and that is the FOREPP. But
what were the pressures then, because it seems like you
guys have always been a line like that, and that's
why everybody was so happy when you guys got together,
(28:07):
even we were a housewives, like it was good to
see you in that space.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
So what was that pressure?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I mean, try having two children and being married and
being then the limelight.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Lord.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
It is not the easiest thing. And I'm kind of
from a very very black family. That is what happens
at home stays at home, and so we are united
front wherever we go.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
But I was not fit.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I didn't fail to be most likely a full on
nuisance and irritant to him. And we definitely had our problems,
Like as every married couple, I mean a decade in,
three kids later, pressed, You're going to have your problems.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So we definitely had our problems.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And I thought, I'm not one of those that feel
like I want to do this in the public, and
I'm not one to like string along. I feel like
separations can get very messy. And so when you find
yourself in that space, is that limbo space that's like
you can kind of do what you can't, kind of
do what I can, kind of clock you, but I can't. Yeah,
(29:10):
I am way more madam than you think. That is
not safe for anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Way more mad.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yes, and control you got your mind? Well, yeah, we
live in a right to carry state in Georgia.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I'm confused.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
I'm just saying, chitty bang bang nigga.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I was talking about the mad having the hole.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
She's in control and quick the phone before she gave me.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Make sure real quick, real quick about the movie. I
know you gotta go.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
I gotta go with you, but come on, yet so
what was the hardest thing about filming the movie?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Because you have you.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Know, okay, so the hardest thing about filming this film
and shout out to Lifetime because Lifetime is not going
to give you a little stage and make it pretty.
They want to get as gritty as possible.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
So two scenes.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
One my drowning scene, because you can't fake drown so
you have to really drown. So the drowning scene was
absolutely insane. And then being pushed off of the plane
and the falling and the debris and being under Ah,
my goodness, the special.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No it was real deal.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, no, no, he means that they sent us the green
screen is still in it.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Oh, it won't be what happened Charlemagne and the God.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
You happened to have the luxury of getting the screenair price.
So there are certain VFX and if you could appreciate
the writer strike that we just had. There's a lot
of AI and VFX that go into a production now.
So you got to see some of the first cuts, gotcha,
and the world will see the final cut on February
(31:16):
the twenty eighth, on this good Saturday. Get your popcorn,
get your girls, grab your friends, whatever, your drink or
non drink of choice is get ready.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
An't worried about doing press right now because she won't
get through the Let's definitely check it.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Out earlier when the producers of America next time.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I don't know what they were doing.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
And that's why I say, you can't stop a star
from being a star, regardless of what the platform is
that you know.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Causes them to take one to know one.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
You can.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I see you out here. I appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Congratulations two hundred million.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Shut up, period, Jesus. I love a.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Don't do that and don't require is because he told
you no.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Because I got what I need to get out and
he mad now and so it's fine and I'm gonna
tell me too. It looked just like his happy face.
He's just angry, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Even more sol ladies and gentlemen, It's the breakfast club.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Good morning, love you more every day up, wake ago,
click your glass up.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
The breakfast club you finished for y'all.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
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