INTERVIEW: Joy-Ann Reid Talks 'The Joy Reid Show,' Media Mistrust, AI, Trump, Diddy, Epstein, + More

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week ago up the Breakfast Club, finish
for y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Done morning. Everybody's DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy
we are the Breakfast Club. Lonla Roses here as well,
and we got a special guest today on her birthday.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Birthday, that's right about miss.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Joy and read welcome, thank you? Are you feeling this morning?

Speaker 5 (00:22):
I'm feeling so good on my birthday because look, I
woke up looking fully made up and I just woke
up like this. I just woke up and I just
was fully made up and ready to go.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's twenty five years.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Old, twenty I'm working today. You know, I'm type A.
So I'm like, I'm just gonna work like normal. But
last night we did like karaoke. We went out, we
did like live ving karaoke.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I got my.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Little shop on with my friends and it was fun.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
So yet and I bet it was early too. You
ended like so back.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
Went to sleep at three o'clock this morning after a
little bit, you know, we hung out, so we were
outside like.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Meet me and Charlotte by none.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm a night per done.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
I don't even start to really wake up to like
six pm. Really, I'm not a morning like this is
tough for me.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Morning.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
You're not used to the morning radio mornings are tough.
I'm a night person. I don't even get really going
until like six seven o'clock. Then I'm awake.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
So that's why you do your show at night as well.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean night, that's literally when I kind of
come alive. I'm not Mornings are tough, like getting up,
I fight my way out of bed. I have to
fight my way out of that bed.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
And you're celebrating the six month birthday in your show too.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, so the birth So it's just interesting enough that
my birthday is today and the six month birthday of
the show is tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Yeah, six months, and it feels like it's been longer,
but it's only been six months.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
What has been the six like out of six months?
What's the thing that you were most grateful for in
the journey of your show?

Speaker 5 (01:43):
The support? Like, I mean, you know, because when you
leave like a sort of formal corporate media situation, you
have no idea whether people are, you know, we're really
interested in the station and following the station or following you.
And I'm just grateful for the love and support that
we've gotten not only the people who've been willing to
come on, but just the fact that people are like
responding to it. I'm beyond grateful.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
How is it independence been?

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Though? I love it, especially now because this corporate media world,
it's getting worse. It's getting harder for people to really
kind of express themselves and be yourself, and I feel
like it's not going in a good direction, you know.
And so I'm just grateful to be free to do
what I do, say what I want to say, and
not worry about like a corporate overseer. I feel good.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Do you think they're attacks?

Speaker 5 (02:28):
One?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Last one?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Do you think the attacks increased?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Because I noticed, especially with a lot of independent people,
I see like independent gets attacked a lot more than
what I've usually seen. And have you seen that for
yourself as well?

Speaker 5 (02:40):
I think independent gets attacked a lot more because people
realize the effectiveness of it. I think once you know,
Trump was helped so much by outside of corporate media,
like he was really helped by podcast, he was really
helped by independent media, some of whom people most people
had never heard of unless you are in that world.
And I think once people realize the power of that
now the focus is on it, you know what I mean,

(03:01):
like the the eyes are on it now, so you know,
but as far as a tax against me, it's just
I mean, I can say I love puppies, and you know,
jd Vance will be like, you're not grateful enough.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
If Netflix absorbs Warner Brothers, right, what did that level
of media consolidation mean for journalism, especially for a network
like seeing It.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
I'm actually glad CNN's not in the deal because so
what they did, they're kind of doing the same thing
they did with when Comcasts spun off MS the Artist
formerly known as MSNBC. They separated them out and they
put them in their own company and they called it
spin Co, which is a bad name for a media company,
but they called it Spinco for a while and then
verse yone or whatever, and now it's miss now they've

(03:42):
switched it up. They did this, they're doing the same
with CNN. So CNN is not in the deal, which
I think is good because that size of a corporation
I'm not sure has the right level of accountability to
the people, and I worried about that a little bit,
but it's not in the deal.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Now.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
The question is who buys CNN and who absorbs it,
and that is still an open question that could be
bad news.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, because I thought I saw something with Trump said
he had a list of seeing any ankles he wanted fired.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Yeah, and I mean, look at this point, he's in
a way dictating what sky Dance does. He's dictating their
editorial content. I mean, how is the editorial content of
like the Tiffany network, that Walter Cronkite network being dictated
out of the White House. That's already happening. If CNN
falls into the hands of another of his cronies, he's

(04:29):
gonna dictate what's on CNN. Like we're going in a
bad direction.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
He says, He's gonna be real involved in the approval
of this Netflix deal.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Yes, and the Netflix president had to go have a
personal conversation with Trump to get him to approve the
deal because the Ellisons were also wanting to buy Warner
and they were add and they're still lobbying to try
to undo that deal so they can buy it. It's like,
in the end, we're gonna have like five media companies.
They're gonna own everything and own everything from social media
to regular media. This is not good because the public

(04:59):
is not going to have anywhere to go. It's going
to be like back in the day there were three networks.
There'll be three networks again, but they'll all be in
lined with the government.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So it's yeah, besides the government piece, right, I feel
like it's always difficult.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
To tell somebody what they can buy and what they can't.
But how does that sit with you?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Take the government piece out right with Trump? Because Trump
could be like, I'll approve this deal, but you got
to fire this person, this person, this person. Right, So
outside of that is it's hard to tell a me
like a person what they can buy and what they
can't buy, don't you think though?

Speaker 5 (05:27):
But I think it depends because in the case of media,
it's it's serving a public interest, right. And so if
let's say everyone who buys a media company and saying, yeah,
you can buy whatever you want. But then if it's
all giving you only one one perspective, one size, and
you can't get another perspective, there's nowhere else to go.
So now you're locked in. You get this one perspective

(05:48):
that just happens to be the same perspective as the
President of the United States. And now we're North Korea,
because where can you get any alternative view? That's what
That's what Victor Orbon did in Hungary. Basically all of
the media is his perspective and only his perspective, and
you can't get an alternative. That's a dangerous place, especially
in this country. As diverse as this country is, how
many views there are in the world, we should be

(06:09):
able to get a variety of it. And for now,
independent media is where you can go and get the alternative.
As long as that stays free and clear, then I
guess we're good. But I don't think it's good for
democracy for all of the major media companies to all
line up and fall on their knees for the president.
It's not a good look.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
So you have to have like a Fox that's right.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Then you have to have an MSNBC that has a
liberal Yeah, plant CNN is trying to play it down
in the middle of nowadays.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
But you got variety.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
At least you have a variety of a choice. You
can choose your own adventure. But I mean, if they're
all aligned and they're all deciding they're going to serve
the king, yeah, then we're stuck.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
That's why it's kind of crazy to hear him talk
about like he's nervous that Netflix will have like a
monopoly because if he is able to control certain things,
he and Donald Trump, it's almost like this is his
monopoly on the media.

Speaker 7 (06:59):
So exactly, such a.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I feel like he just said that because you know,
you got to get his tribute.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, exactly, And I just assume he's getting paid off everything.
He's like a my boss. It's like, what is his cut?
You know? That's all? I think. That's all then to go.
It's like all these pardons are like that. It's like
when you see these you know, fraudsters getting pardoned, then
you found out they wrote a check to these friends
of Trump and they're all right in checks. He's selling

(07:26):
pardons out of the White House. This is crazy, but
the Supreme Court that he could do it, so he's
gonna do it.

Speaker 8 (07:31):
What do you see like America looking like at the
end of his vollyear turn though, what do.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
You think a mess? Like a whole mess? Because the
thing is, if they are robbing the treasury to enrich
him and enrich his friends and enrich this small set
of billionaires and leaving nothing for everyone else. You end
up with a crab economy, people struggling, a lot, more poverty,
a lot more hunger or want, and that's, you know,
that's the seeds of revolution. You don't want to really

(07:58):
make a lot of people poor while you're making a
handful of people rich like that generally doesn't go well
for either the rich or the poor. So it doesn't
look good. I think we're going toward Hungary, Russia, that
kind of a country, and that's not what we want
to be.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
And then how long is the undo of everything for
the next person is Yeah, damn. I can't imagine the
job of the next president to have to fix this mess,
because this is a mess like he's going to lead.
I mean, I'm assuming twenty twenty six we end up
in a recession. I'm just assuming that.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
And I think people should brace themselves for the economy
to get really bad, because when a small number of
people get rich and you don't expand the middle, and
when the bottom gets poorer, there's no way to sustain
an economy like that that anybody can really benefit from.
I mean, Trump is benefiting, his friends are benefiting who else.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
It's not good, you know, I did last week.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I did the New York Times deal Book panel, and
one of the questions that they asked, actually the first
question they asked us, should we trust the media in twenty.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Twenty five, I trust it less and less. I definitely
don't trust anything that's happening at s Guidance, and I'm
sad about it, because, you know, I loved sixty Minutes.
I grew up watching Dan Rather, you know, like I
felt like, you know, I've worked at NBC, but I
felt like seeing you know, CBS was a strong, solid
news operation. I question it now when I see something

(09:22):
coming out of that network, I'm not sure I believe it.
I'm not sure I wholly trust it. And I think
their editorial decisions now are political, whereas I think it
was a lie that they were political before. I think
that the right just didn't like what they were saying,
but I don't think they were political. I briefly worked
at CBS and stands and practices they were not political,

(09:42):
But I think they are now, and that's not good.
I don't necessarily trust it now.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
I think with everything that's happening, like you're talking about
the independent media, like the new ring of media, there's
gonna be a lot more of that. But like what
I always think about is like when you work on television,
you know, you have like FCC and all these like
governing with independent media, there isn't that, So something will have.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
To rise up.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
And who's gonna like will that be Trump to figuring
that out? Like what is that governing body that's going
to rise up and rain over the independent media?

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Because it will happen. Nothing goes unpoliced here.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah, And I don't know what that could possibly be
that you know, the independent media would even submit to.
And then the question is how long is independent media independent?
That's what I'm saying. No, we're one Elon Musk buying
YouTube away from that going, you know, we're one, you know,
David Ellison deciding he also would like to have control
of substack, you know what I mean? Like at some
point if it all consolidates, then we have nowhere to go.

(10:36):
We have no choices, and the regulating body is some
billionaire that's regulating it for their own self interest. So
I'm worried about that.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
What do we do to regulate now? You know, because
there's a lot of YouTubers out there, a lot of
people that have their own shows that soon there are
no facts. Yeah, and the problem with suing is it's
easy to sue when you have money, but if you
don't have money, it's just money out of your pocket.
And a lot of these people, you know, they say
they have money, but then when you see and they
live at home with their mom, or they live in
you know, they're renting, they don't have any money.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
So it's suing for what you know.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
So how do we regulate to make sure that what
people are really spewing the facts?

Speaker 5 (11:08):
I mean, it's impossible, and I think people that are
the consumers of it, this is in a way what
they want. People want to hear their own opinion reflected
back to them, and that's what they're getting, you know.
I even think about the Candace Owen's saying, this lady
is out there way out on a limb with these
with this French president and his wife, like way out
on a limb, and she does not there's no regulating
body to stop her from saying it. So she's just

(11:29):
saying it and digging herself deeper and deeper. At a
certain point she's gonna get, you know, it's going to
be financially impractical for her to continue to do this.
Can she continue to afford to fight the president of France?

Speaker 6 (11:43):
But long is that she wanted this to happen this
way because if it gets to like a court or whatever,
you'll have to certain things about to be laid out
on the table. And she thinks that's where the truth
that supports what she's saying will come out.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Does she really think that or is this just like
a money making Yeah? And the thing is, even if
they do prove what she's saying, why.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
What is this that what she's saying is true?

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Is it a crime or friends? You know? It's all
for clicks. And that's the thing that does scare me
is that some of the content isn't for truth or fact.
It's just for clicks. It's just for attention. And the
attention economy is the economy, and the way that she
makes money is that she just gets attention to her content.
And that's a bad incentive. It's a bad incentive for
the truth. It's a bad incentive if you care about facts.

(12:30):
None of these things are good, Like none of the
incentives are good right now, that's all bad.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
That in ai right like I seen the video trending
this weekend. Uh, these NYPD cops were arresting Ice agency. Yes,
and it looks so real, but you know it couldn't happen.
So it was like it was trending and people are
leaving comments. Yeah, that's what more cops need to do it.
I'm like, this is AI, guys, Like it's hard to
see the real in AI. You can't tell.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
You can't tell what is the music artist that's like
it's a gospel artist that's like number one on the
gospel charts, but it's not a human.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
About this.

Speaker 7 (13:07):
She does like R and B as well, but they've
been saying her voice is like annoints.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
It and she's like an AI, I don't want to
hear it, like like you know what I mean, Like
we don't even have real artists. We have, like you said,
you have things that people are people are like hanging
their hat on this. You know, Ice is gonna get
arrested by the NYPD thinking it's real and it looks
so real. Now when we get to elections next year,

(13:34):
how much that content is going to be real. We've
already had politicians used in fake AI, you know, commercials
and it's not them. They can make you say anything,
make you do anything, like it's very hard to tell.
It's very hard to tell. So now we all have
to be experts in figuring out whether the humans we
see on TV are humans.

Speaker 8 (13:51):
Then they can use it another way too, like for
things that actually like that humans are actually doing, and
then they can use AI to cover it up.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
To cover it up. You think about Hollywood, so many
artists are out of work because they can just replace
them with robots with AI. Like AI is eating up opportunity,
like it's eating up you know, people's professions. You know,
like my daughter's an artist. She won't even post on
Instagram because AI starts scraping all of your art and

(14:24):
all of a sudden, it's using it to create art
that has no human owner and no human creator.

Speaker 7 (14:30):
I saw.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
I was at art Bozo this weekend. There was an
exhibition that was all AI. Like the guy gives his emotion.
He paints all these deceased people from his past, like
family members and stuff like that. They have machines strapped
to like these canvases, And I was like, who's giving
a direction? They said he put his emotions and stuff
into the tech product, whatever it is, and then AI
creates all the drawings.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
How do you put your emotions into a machine?

Speaker 6 (14:54):
I think oddly, I don't know, but I was like,
this is crazy, Like I was just watching it draw
people's faces, like.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Like, so if voters can't tell was real anymore? Can
democracy even function in the age AI?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
I don't know how. I'm concerned, Like you know what
I mean. I mean there, it's going to have to
we have to figure out a way for it to function.
We're too big of a country with too many people.
A revolution here would be horrendous and bloody. You know,
three hundred and fifty million Americans, and you know we
already have AI assisted and you know sort of machine
assisted deportation, Like you've got this surveillance company that nobody

(15:28):
knows anything about, that nobody had heard of it. Talent
here that's helping surveil us, Like we're being surveiled through
our phones. You now, we're already like past the tipping
point where we have mass surveillance so that they can
track and deport whoever they want. We have we have
masked people arresting people on our streets. Like we're already
so far gone that saving democracy is it's going to

(15:51):
be challenging. Even if you said AI aside, you know,
and so many things, we've gone so far backwards that
I worry that pulling us back is going to be hard,
when on top of it, the side that wants authoritarianism
has all of these very sophisticated systems and AI systems
to track us, to surveil us, to kind of lock

(16:15):
us out of democracy. And I'm concerned that it's going
to be hard to pull it back.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
You use the word authoritarianism.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
At what point do people stop calling certain political transpolarization, Yeah,
start calling them.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Fascism, you know what I mean? Yeah? And I think,
and this is one of the reasons I am glad
that I'm not in mainstream media. It's very difficult because
the governing authorities over you say, and the standards and
practices says, well, don't call that fascism, don't call that authoritarianism.
Just call it a difference of political opinion. It's a difference.
It's not a difference of opinion. It's fascism. And I

(16:49):
think more of us need to say it and just
get used to saying it, because you can't fight something
you can't name, you know, and if we're not naming
it authoritarianism in fact, which is what it is. And
they're not like subtle about it. They're being very clear.
They want this is a white supremacist government. That's saying,
if you are not a white Christian male, you are
just not welcome in any institution. You're not welcome in academia,

(17:11):
You're not welcome in the military. We you know, the
whole thing is, we're bombing boats in the Caribbean, Like,
what is this? And it's being normalized as if this
is a difference in politics. It's not.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I'm gonna tell why I get confused by it.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I do think that a lot of things that I
see are authoritarian strategy. But when I see somebody like
you know, President Biden say it's a threat to democracy,
but then he's outside the White House saying welcome home.
Or when I see you know, Zora Mundani call Donald
Trump a fascist, but then say I can work with
a fascist, I'm like, well, that's.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Not how I was taught. How fast I never fascism.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
You can't work with a fascist like that's never worked
in the history of mankind.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
So sometimes we say these words.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
But when we don't act upon these words, it kind
of takes the meaning out of these words, I think.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
And I think politics makes it difficult to fight fascism
because you do actually have to deal still with the
president like he's still the president unfortunately, you know, but
I think you there's certain things that I think are
I feel like Biden, what he did was worse, to
be honest, because Biden spent an entire campaign telling us
that Donald Trump was a threat to democracy, that Donald
Trump was it, and then he right, the welcome home

(18:18):
thing was insane. You know, even Obama he can with
him at the funeral like this is a normal guy
who wants to arrest you, by the way, you know.
I don't, Yeah, I think that because the politicians, particularly
at that the older policy, I don't think they understand.
I don't think they really think it's fascism authoritarism. I
think they think it is different in politics. That's what
I worry about.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's how I feel about Mundanie too, because I feel
like if you if you use those words while you're campaigning,
like when you get in the when you know, get
in ther you become the elected official and become mayor.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I understand, I understand you have to work with him.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, so maybe you shouldn't use that kind of language
if you're going to tell us you can work with
a fascist.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
But that's not how fascism work.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
What I'll give him credit for though, when he was
point blank as even in his presence, is he a fascist?
He was like yeah. He was like yeah. He was
asked the press.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
After he got a little pat and he was like,
it's okay to call me that.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
He's right. He wouldn't even let him finish his sentence
because Trump was like, he fell in love with mom,
Donnie in that moment. I'm not sure what happened. I
really want to know what he said to him in
the room, because Trump seemed to fall in love with him.
But when he was on Meet the Press was either
Meet the Press or CBS. This morning, I was on
Meet the President. He was asked, point blank, is he
a fascist? He's like yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
But that's when he said you could work with him,
And that's why I got confused. I was like, since
I've never seen somebody work with a fascist in history
of mankind, and.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know that's actually how you normalize.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Me, right, Well, I mean, the reality is the one
time that you could say, well, I don't know if
you would call him a FASTI he was definitely an authoritarian,
was Stylin, And I mean FDR worked with Stalin. I
mean you had khrush Chef worked with Kennedy. I mean, unfortunately,
when you have a regime, you've got to deal with
the regime. And I think if you're the mayor of
New York City, you got to deal with the President
of United States. There's no getting around it. And so

(19:57):
if you have an in the interest of your citizens,
you're unfortunately gonna have to deal with this man. You
have to deal with this president. The immigration issue alone
is going to send him in a collision course with
the White House. So I kind of understand what he's saying,
he has to work with Biden was on his way out.
He didn't have to work with Trump.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
There's no there.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
No presidents don't work with each other. You're literally handing
over power to somebody. You're saying is dangerous, Mam, Donnie's
not handing power over to Trump. He has to work
with Trump. That's actually just a fact with when Biden
did it to me, it was unnecessary that that kind
of comity, that kind of like friendliness between two presidents

(20:37):
was completely unnecessary. You are out of power, you on
your way out, stand strong on what you said during
the campaign. There was no need for you to be
generous to him. In the case of Mam Donnie, it's
slightly different because you're coming into power and you do
have to deal with that man. You have no choice.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I agree, But how do you ring the alarm that
this is something different and not just a difference in politics.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, and that's why you're using words like fashion. Yeah,
and he's gonna have to do that in power, like
he's gonna have to particularly on the I mean now
that Trump has deleted all Haitian Americans TPS, no more
temporary protected status for anybody Haitian, like gone right, what
they're doing to Venezuelan's And there's a lot in this city.
So he now is going to be frontline trying to

(21:18):
deal with fighting literal fascism and authoritarianism at his doorstep.
And so yeah, the question is going to be does
he do it with that rhetoric and keep that rhetoric
up or does he just fight it. I don't even
think it matters what he says. At this point, he's
gonna have to fight it. We cannot have this country
become one giant kidnapping site where where this regime is

(21:39):
allowed to just kidnap people at will. Like that has
to stop, and somebody has to stand up to on
the you know, New York City happens to be, you know,
the financial capital of the United States, and somebody has
to put their foot down. And I'm hoping, I'm Donnie Will.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Do you think the public fully understands how much executive
power Trump is wilding or are we sleepwalking into something
you're reversal.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
I think we're sleepwalking because you know what, I don't
think people understood the powers of the presidency and that
it was only constrained by the kind of belief in
the system of other presidents. Like Trump is just stealing
power that no one anticipated the president would have because

(22:20):
he's just doing it. And it makes me think, well, damn,
the Democrats were in there, they could have done a
lot more shit. Who knew because who's gonna stop you, Like,
who's gonna stop him? Nobody? And so if now we
realize the presidents he could be this powerful, it kind
of makes me wish that previous presidents had actually used
more power for good for good, Yeah yeah, because this

(22:42):
dude is just stealing powers that were not even anticipated.
I mean, and the Supreme Court is rubber stamping at all.
So it's like, oh shit, it turns out Obama shit
had just like made put thirteen seats on the Supreme
Court and you know put you know, I mean, I
just I wonder what we could have done had previous
presidents realize how much power they can.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
If another Democrat goes in office, do you think another
Democratic president will use his power they have to? Do
you think that they will or do you think they will?
I don't want to go against what the constitutions.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Unfortunately, I think it's that I think so too. I
don't think democrats believe and use I think they're afraid
to will power the way that Trump is willed in power.
They think that he is he is outside the norm
and they're gonna want to bring it back to the norm.
That's how we ended up with Merrick Garland, who did
nothing for four years.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Even Biden on the way out like if I'm on
my way out, nah, I'm gonna pardon everybody that needs
to be part and I'm gonna make sure everybody was
what you're gonna.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Do, what you're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Hate me anyway, you hate me anyway, you.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Hate me anyway. And it's like he parted. He did
a select few pardons. There's so much more he could
have done on his way out, but instead he's trying
to welcome home the next president. I don't want to
go too far, you know. Even so, yeah, I worry
that democrats, just small sea constitutionally are not built to
do what they need to do when they come.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Now, you said a name, just now, I'm sorry you
said it. And this person needs a lot more smoke
than he ever gets. And that's Merygarland.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Like I don't know why Marrigarland escapes the smoke.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
I don't understand why he escapes the smoke. Even the
Epstein files thing, I'm like, wait a minute, you tell me.
Nine months into this administration, the podcast guys are claiming
they caught the mind.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Now.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
I don't know if this young man is the person
that put the pipe bombs in these I don't know,
but I know they said we solved the case in
nine months. Mary Garland was there for four years? What
were you doing the Epstein files? Merrick, what were you
doing for four years? You had the same evidence, the
same files. Why did you release them? Like there's there's

(24:43):
He took a year and a half to even start
investigating Trump. For January he did an insurrection, and he's like,
let me start at the bottom. I'm going to arrest
the cab driver who drove down to be in the insurrection,
and I'll work my way up to the one to
own the beauty salon, and then I'll work my way.
It took him a year and a half to get
the Trump. This man had classified doctors at his house

(25:04):
for eighteen months while they were begging, please, will you
bring him back? Asked nicely, bring him back, Mary? Garland
did to me nothing for four years. He might as
well not have been there.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
And when President Biden left the White House, he said
he should have hired a different attorney general that would
have went after Trump a lot sooner.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
I'm like, well, Dad, why did you fire them there?
Exactly why did you fire them? I mean between that
and sitting there while the genocide happened under your watch,
And I mean that by knowns that. So I think
about that Biden presidency as just one four year lost opportunity.
Love the infrastructure bill, but other than that, it's like,
what did you do with your time? While Trump is
running rough shot over the Constitution, he sat there, Yeah,

(25:44):
I need sixty votes to get anything done. It does
make it. And I remember you used to say this
during the time. It's like, it's frustrating when Democrats say
I can't And I was even one who say, you know,
they don't have sixty votes in the Senate. But now
I'm realizing they didn't need him. They literally could have
just don I mean, who knew.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I don't think a lot of people didn't know.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
We had Congressman not Green here and we asked him like,
did you know a president could wild this much power beforehand?

Speaker 3 (26:07):
And he was like, no, I'm a lawyer. So Congress
now Green don't know how we fosed to know.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
We didn't know. I mean, and I thought it was
pretty conversion in the Constitution. But Trump, I mean, we
thought the emolument's clause was real. Wasn't real. You know,
you can sell Brock, you can sell pardons who knew
like they're literally he's doing everything you think would be
a criminal offense in the White House with the Supreme
Court of the United States literally rubber stamping it. So

(26:33):
I guess if you're a Republican, you can do it.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Well, maybe this stuff is a crime, but just the
Supreme Court gave him that presidential immunity.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Because they're Republicans and they want Republicans to win.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, So I wonder if before the presidential see this
is great, this is the fact that we're even having
this conversation. I wonder if before the presidential immunity was
just stuff for legal.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
It had to have been illegal. But I think, I mean,
I only think it's being allowed because they're Republicans and
he's a Republican, and genre if you know anything about
John Roberts, you know he's a Republican first and foremost.
He does not believe in the Voting Rights Act, never
has and these are the outcomes he wants. They want
a king. They're monarchists. They don't believe in democracy. They
want a monarchy. They just want it to be a

(27:10):
Republican monarchy. Because I promise if a Democrat was doing this,
they would say none of that's legal.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
But they want that.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
But do they want that person to be Trump, because
I feel like there's certain things that he does that
even on the Republican side, they're like, mmm, hold up, wait,
Like I think they want the time, like the the
overall control of what you're talking about. But I don't
know if they really want it to be like Trump,
like I know charlae Is talked about that before, like
them trying to move him out the way and kind
of take back and get back to now.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
I think to be he's the perfect. He is a
use he is the perfect useful idiot for people like
the Project twenty twenty five authors. He's ideal, Like he's
even better than Bush because you want somebody it's not
too smart necessarily, but that beguiles the base. The base
loves Trump. He does there's something about him that they

(27:59):
just love. Style. They love they love the way he talks,
the way he does his you know, geriatric dance. They
love it. They love it. And because the base loves it,
you can slide a lot of stuff past them that
hurt them. You can hurt these people and they'll love it.
They'll thank you for it because they like him. So
he's perfect. And Bush was like that like people are like, man,
Bush is dumb. That was perfect because the right wanted

(28:22):
to do massive tax because they wanted to do surveillance.
They started that surveillance under him. They wanted to do
foreign wars for money, you know, wars for oil. They
wanted to do. Bush is the perfect foil because he's
just a goof that. Americans on the right loved Trump
is that times ten plus a celebrity. So I think
they loved and they'll keep Trump around as long as
they can. They might weakend it, bernies him to keep

(28:45):
him around because he's the perfect useful idiot basically for
what they want. The base loves it. And so you
can think about what you're sliding past these people. You're
taking their cattle farms and making them bankrupt. You slide
in tariffs that make everything expensive. You're destroying people economically,
and they're thanking you for it because they love Trump.

(29:07):
So I think they want Trump forever if they could
keep them. What do you?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
What do you?

Speaker 9 (29:12):
I'm switching talking about Want to talk about Puffy for
a second. Oh my god, exhausting.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
We talk about that all day.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
I used to call Trump the Puffy of politics for years.
I would call him the Puffy of politics, and nobody
ever should understood why they're the same person.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Damn, if you think about it, I can see what
you mean by that, like the arrogance, the.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Arrogance, and then they don't have a specific talent. Their
talent is using the people with talent to get what
they want, right, Like Puffy is not a producer, He's not. No,
he hires producers, doesn't pay them, makes him sign N
d a's, but he takes the crew and then he

(30:00):
goes on and says I like that on the song.
And now he's also the artist.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
So what is all this with him and the you
know he we've seen him like direct people how to
do this, how to sing it this way and that,
you know, just how it sounds phonetically and how it's coming.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Like that's not a producer.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, I think I think the Puffy not having no
talent thing is kind of a little scratch. So we've
seen him pick songs and be like, yo, I want
to turn this into such and such record.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
I know he's a marketing genius, so is Trump? Like
that's something they're the same person. They're both marketing genius.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
He's saying he's not pushing the button instead like he's okay.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Producer, right, you know what I mean, Like he's not
like a rapper, but he craved to be the talent.
But he really is the marketer. But it's like when
the marketer wants to be the product and he fought
to me to the death of a lot of people
to get to be the talent when he's actually the
marketer and he's a genius at that. I'm gonna give
him credit for that, but it's in terms of it's
like he had this great envy of the talented artist

(30:57):
that he saw around him, you know, especially Tupac, and
he wanted to be Tupac, like beloved like Tupac, Talented
like Tupac. He wanted to be Biggie instead of just
market Biggie. And it's like he fought his way through
a lot of dead bodies to be the artist. It's
so tragic on so many levels. And it's I mean,
it was brilliantly done.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
It was great, and I mean he is he is
an executive, like he was able to find talent, put
talent together and make those but as far as being
an actual producer, someone who sits there plugs in the
keyboard and none that wasn't he never said anything.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
What do you think it says about America that a
documentary about Diddy and even even black culture to that
that can dominate Netflix at a moment when like black
history is being restricted in school. I just saw Trump
get rid of Martin Luther King Jr. And Junior teenth
at Parks and replace it with like.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
It's so amazing to me because I've been noticing when
I've been scrolling through Netflix, it's a lot of content
that's not black, you know, and it's like that it's
all all white cats and everything. But the number one
thing on there is this documentar about this black man
in other countries to not just here, not just here.
So it's like they don't want, they don't want us

(32:07):
to be centered, but we're still centered because black folks
make culture, like American culture without black people is just stale,
like secondary European culture, you know, And so they want
they don't maybe they don't want us, but they need
us because look at this thing dominating. It's amazing and
it's a fascinating, well done story.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
It was that cultural power ever translating the political power,
do you think.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
I hope so. I hope so, But I think we
actually have to think differently too, you know what I mean. Like,
I love Magic Johnson, but you know, you know, it's
great to shop for kids for Christmas. But did it
have to be Target? You know, in a moment when
we're trying to stand up for our dignity against companies
like Target that don't respect us. It's disappointing, you know

(32:55):
that he would lean into Target in this moment, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Yeah, bring whatever.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
So his foundation they do a thing where they shop
for holiday gifts for kids, which is wonderful and it's
great that they do that, and they've been doing it
for a few I mean probably a few years, but
it's with Target, and so in this moment, it's like, Ooh,
does it have to be with Target specifically? And maybe
they just had a multi year deal. I have no idea,
but it's just we're not unified enough to turn it

(33:21):
into political power. I think we're not on the same
page enough. You know, if we could marshal one trillion
plus dollars in economic power, and we were together and
we had a plan, we would be unstoppable. But I
just don't think we're there. I wish we were. I
would love us to be there.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
So do you think because there's been a debate about
if fifty cent is wrong for being a part of
the doc as a black man, do you think that's
wrong or right?

Speaker 5 (33:45):
I think it's wrong what Puffy allegedly did. I think
the things he did allegedly were horrific, and I think
those things had to come out. It didn't help us
to like hide what we knew about r Kelly, you
know what I mean? Who did that help? It just
hurt little young girls and so you know, it didn't
help for on the other side people to hide with
they knew about Epstein and m and let them roll.

(34:05):
So I think we have to expose the things in
our even in our culture, that are hurting us. That
wasn't helping anybody. Where's Mace's money, you know? But Create
mag died with no money? Like that's not right.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
But let me ask you a questions. I agree with you.
I think that you should expose. I think people should
see my question. And I think this was the hardest
thing for me, right and people whatever, they call me
a glazer for Diddy, but it's not true. My problem
was what he was convicted of. But he was found
guilty of the time that he got. Is that too
much because he was hiring a prostitute? Well allegedly, right,

(34:38):
But usually the prostitute gets time and the pimp gets time,
and the john usually gets a slap on the risk
community service and they have to go to some course
for whatever sex whatever. But in this case, it seems
like the crime, I guess the time doesn't fit the crime.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
So I think the same and want I want to
say it's the same exact he was convicted of the
same thing Epstein was, you know what I mean, Like,
I think they used I believe in both cases it
was man that kind of Epstein wasn't convicted of the
man at Epstein was convicted of basically soliciting, and so
was Puffy versions of that, right, And I think those

(35:18):
cases were mischarged. In both of those cases. I think
the prosecutors failed the victims. In both of those cases.
Epstein should have not been convicted of some sort of
solicitation of prostitution. Those girls weren't prostitutes. They were children,
you know, they were kids, but they were like they
were sort of portrayed as prostitutes, was.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Charged with sex trafficking of miners.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Sex trafficking, but he was charged of sex traffic of
miners the second time federally in Florida when he was
actually convicted, he was convicted of a basically a solicitation charge.
Then he was federally charged with trafficking and never you know,
obviously because he never made it to trial. But you know,
that was his original conviction, and then Puffy's conviction here
what he was they almost overcharged it and undercharged it,

(35:58):
you know what I mean. They were never gonna prove
Rico like that just didn't seem like they could prove that.
But I also think they failed. There were real victims here,
and I just think I don't think they charged with
the right things. I don't think it makes Puffy innocent,
because I don't.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Think he was innocent, but it just it seems like
for what he was charged with, what he was found
guilty of, it seems a lot worse than what he's
doing time for he got off.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
For me watching The Doctor, I'm like, uh, well, I
kind of felt that way before I watched the documentary,
and then the way that Emmy feels and then after
watching I'm like, man, this nigga skating.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Then like it's really decades, this is a time out.

Speaker 8 (36:41):
Everything is true in this documentary documentary. It's like, Yo,
you still kind of like God, favorite is what it
seemed like you're not getting.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
No, no God.

Speaker 8 (36:55):
But then you get what I'm saying though, It's like
it's only a very few that you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
That's why I say he's trong, right, And I'm like
the just the tupocket biggie parts of it, if he
was in any way involved and somebody there's a og
fan of both to iamb I mean, and I always
felt a funny about him and the way they were
pushing that East coast West coast because the West Coast
artists were really not trying to be a part of that.

(37:21):
They were really trying to pull back from it, you know.
I mean, say what you want about Snoop, but Snoop
was trying to pull back from it, like they were
not trying to lean into the East coast West coast,
but Puffy was and was benefiting from it again marketing genius.
They were using it for marketing, and in that month
I don't know if y'all remember that time. It was ugly,
but it wasn't two sided, And so I had an

(37:43):
issue with him even from then because of that. And
I didn't even know who he was until that stampede.
That's how I found out who Puffy was. So I
was never a fan only because I was like, that
was crazy. I forgot it was nine people that died.
So you just add up all of the pain he
has caused. I think he got off easy. I'm sorry,
dragging Cassie across the floor like a rag doll, beating

(38:06):
her up. I'm like, they just charged them wrong.

Speaker 7 (38:11):
What should his charges? What should they have been?

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Assault? Battery? You know? I mean, like they didn't charge
anything like that, So they didn't give the jury enough
to convict them on, Like was there some in California?
So there you go, there you go. I don't know
what you could have charged them with. I don't know,
but I don't think Rico was going to work like
I don't think they had that. But I think he
got off easy based on with you, based on just

(38:35):
if everything in that dock is true, he got a license.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
You think politicians need that type of spectacle moving forward
in order just to cut through.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yeah, the attention economy thing is real, Like it's real,
Like Americans have been trained on a certain kind of
attention and they lose their very short attention spans and
people can't pay attention to stuff. Although I'm surprised, Like
we do a two hour show and we used to
be one hours, And I'm like, are people going to
sit and listen to ours? And literally people will sit
and listening to Like people actually have a longer attention

(39:07):
span than we give him credit for, you know this show.
You know what I mean. People will listen for a
while if they're interested in what you're saying. So people
can have a long attention span. But for politicians it's increased.
From Kennedy on. They need celebrity. You know, Kennedy beats
Nixon because he's a celebrity. I mean, he's a celebrity.
He's young, he's good looking. The other guy's old and sweating.

(39:27):
You know, you can't beat that, you can. And then
Bill Clinton he's out there playing the SAgs of hoone
like he's entertaining, and it just gets Ronald Reagan actor
and it's like we keep on pushing the politicians. Obama,
you know, Obama's out there sinking threes and you know
he got you know, will I am making a song
about his jugu listen, and it's like, now we've like

(39:47):
and then you get to Trump, who's like a literal
celebrity who's from the Apprentice, and everybody's like, I know him,
even though everything about the Apprentice was false, like he
was broke when he did the Apprentice, but nobody knew
to act like he was rich, and it's like, no,
he was actually broke, so no one knew. It's just
and it's so artificial that I'm like, what are we
going to have to do? Look what Gavin is doing.
Gavin Newsom is like, got it, understand the assignment. I

(40:10):
need to be entertaining. I need to be atroll because
he knows that's the way to win.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
So have we fully crossed into spectacle politics where entertainment
value outruns policies?

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Unfortunately? I think so yeah, I don't know how we
go back. Can you imagine just like a normal nerdy,
like smart politician winning. I can't imagine that Mam Donnie
was entertaining as helf His ads were so entertaining, like
you've got to be authentic and entertaining. That's what people need,
that's what people want.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
How do right now in this moment, how does Mandani
or whoever use what's happened in New York with Diddy
to further whatever did he So he's locked up now, right,
but there's gonna be conversations about if he gets in
a pill, if he comes home.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
Is there a way that they use this moment.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
I'm donnie whoever politically to further what they have going on,
because there are still a lot of people who feel like,
did he wasn't charged the way he should have been.
There are people that feel like it's unfair that he
even has an appeal.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
Conversation, which is his legal right, Like there's a lot
of people still.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Upset to do that.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
Well, this politician is in general like using this moment
because it's so big, like.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
Trump, and I'm just assuming he's he's already writing that check.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Like when Mayor Adams took the keyback, people were pissed.
They're like, he took too long to do that, and
if he had moved faster, it would have made a difference.
Like I guess I'm just asking in general, how do
you capitalize off a moment like this if we need
those spectacles and politics.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Well, I mean, the thing is, you have to remember,
like I think, the only reason that Cassie was able
to do her lawsuit in the first place is because,
you know, the New York State. New York State opened
up that that law that allowed you to do back cases.
They opened up the statute of limitations e g. And
Carroll gets in there first, actually wins a case against Trump.

(41:48):
That's how that opened it up, and then she, you know,
all of these other cases, including Cassie's, followed. So I
think there's a public policy conversation. Opening that up was
actually a big deal because it did allow women who
were too scared to come forward back in the day,
and a lot of this was in the nineties. A
lot of this was in like you know, that era
when it was kind of open season on women and
you know, in entertainment unfortunately, but they were able to

(42:12):
then get their cases heard because they were from the nineties.
More of that kind of public policy he probably needs
to happen, I would say that would be what it is,
because there's nothing you Trump is probably gonna parten. We
know he's right in the check to get his pardon, right, Like,
as soon as that check leers or the money gets
into Trump account or whatever he's doing to get I'm
sure he'll get a parton Because also remember James Comy's daughter.

(42:33):
I believe it was the prosecutor in the case got
she was fired after I fired.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
That's what made me think of it, because I thought
about the fact that during it she was fired. That
didn't work out well for the DA's in New York.
It made them look stupid.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
But at the same time, Trump hates the Komis so
much that he would almost pardon him just to write,
just to just to crab on her, Like I could
see it, you know. So I'm assuming he gets a pardon,
there's probably nothing we could do. Question for me culturally,
does he get to come back.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
We'll come back as what.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
That, that was my question I asked, And I'm like,
what does he do when he comes home? Yeah? What
does he do?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I don't know what he could come back as, because
I mean, if you think about it, you know, it
was the liquor that kept him very relevant. You know,
that's revolt that's going Yeah, it wasn't the music, right.
I don't know what he could I really don't know
what he could do. I have no idea.

Speaker 8 (43:28):
Jokingly, I heard somebody say and they just said it jokingly,
like a few years ago. One of celebrity a few
months ago, one of the celebrities like if he got
to start his own church, like literally, and and it
was a joke, but I mean that's the only thing
he just got to turn completely toward.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
He could do poorn. Somebody said that to me too.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
They was like, yo, he might as well lean off
all the way into start a website that's like an
only fans call him back boy, and people on there
just doing wild freaking stuff, don't I don't know, But.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I will say too that as a culture, we're very
forgiven when it comes to people.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yeah, and I think.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Celebrity give people quick. They forget when people do.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
You see they the jury is like a superman. She
was a superman.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Girl?

Speaker 8 (44:16):
I think she was with number three or whatever she was.
She was such a fan. And my thing is like,
how was she able to stay on.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
The junior jury?

Speaker 6 (44:23):
But even the jurors that like the other guy in
the doctor said he didn't know what was and during
jury selection, they were asking celebrity and they hes trying
to make sure that like you didn't know as much
to see how much you knew. In my mind, I'm thinking,
even if you walk in here not knowing who he is,
if all of this is happening, you can tell they're
going out their way to make sure you don't understand celebrity.
You're going to start being like, Okay, what's the selection
They're not They're.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Going home and everybody's like, oh my, the case you're
on it, you know what I mean? Like they didn't
even squashed the jury, like they built that for him.
But that's what I'm saying. That is the level of
privilege he had that he literally he's been getting away
with stuff so long he knew he would. I mean,
the fact that you have cameras follow when you're around
every day and then don't think you should pay them.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
That was crazy.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
That's that's crazy, Like that's a level of arrogance.

Speaker 8 (45:10):
That's insane, because we wouldn't even have this doc page
the video, just.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Pay the videographer, Like do you not understand that they
own that footage? So it's like just the arrogance. So
I don't know where he would come back, but I
think he would have the I feel like he would
have the balls to try to come back. I'm trying to.

Speaker 8 (45:26):
Still got such a fan base. People are like hating
fifty cent. People are not believing anything like.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Cent didn't make the film right, like it's not the Executiveroducer.

Speaker 8 (45:39):
But like his he got that man got a strong
cult fand what.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I'm saying, you know what I'm say, I don't know
what he can do for money, Like, yeah, I know
people will still like him do for money.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
I think there's going to be something like visually, like
he's going to try to do like a whole Here's
what my life was like, here's what I've learned, because
people will watch. So wherever you could get money off of,
like people document.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Has he ever not had an ego? Yeah? You know
what I mean. Always because it's cripple now was crushed.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
They'll be in your artice that they'll work with.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
And the reason I say that is because if he
has a he has an air, they'll just be behind
the scenes.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
You'll never see him in the face and you look.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
Up but he also has like a hundred losses at
breaking gonna have to be like who's gay?

Speaker 8 (46:25):
Is the dickens Like, it's gonna have to be somebody
who's like not afraid, like let's get freaky.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Is it that the guy is gonna have to.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
Be a young gay guy who like who has been
taking it, you know? And that is because you can't
scare a person like that.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
But who also doesn't worry about getting paid. I mean
the piece about him, not that part paying his people
the producers that do. I mean like him, had you
produce a whole album and you got sixty seven dollars
in your bank account or you having to ask right
when Craig Man had to said sixty yes, happen to

(47:03):
ask him for one hundred dollars. This is humiliating. You
have a Grammy nominator like he was. He was not
with the I want to say, maybe the worst part
the whole, the two part Biggie thing shook me for
like I lost sleep over it. But when that sister
that was in that dirt Diddy dirty money said I
need five thousand dollars, yeah, to try to hold on
to my child, And he said, can't help you and

(47:23):
then we're doing.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
That like a week later, and said, hey, I need
you to do this for me.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
And didn't even had the balls to tell her, I
know you were jumping a casket if a nigga was
to die right now, And she said yeah, yeah, and
she did.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
And that goes to what MP's talking about is the
celebrity thing of it. And I also think because even
in court, like people would testify and it be at
the end like but I still love him.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
There's this weird I don't know.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
It's like the celebrity and the lifestyle that he's afforded
a lot of people. I think people hold on to it.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
It's a very weird attachment.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
It's a childhood memory too though, right because you figure,
for a lot of people the nineties and two thousands
of the year they grew up, so they remember so
much of it, right, even like you look at all Kelly,
are the worst stuff that oh Kelly did. When you
hear a song, it brings you back to a moment
of time, right, you know. I mean Stepping the Name
of Love was the song me and my wife and
my daughter danced to. So when I hear it, it
brings me back there. It doesn't bring me back to

(48:10):
the guy that Pete on a young girl, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
So it's.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
But it's hard for me though, because you know what,
I love that era. I love that era of hip hop.
I think it was probably the greatest era hip hop
is probably ninety three to like two thousand and three,
you know what I mean. Like that era was such
a strong era and hipop. It's such a part of
my memory. My kids were all born in the nineties,
so it's like it was a part of even my
memories of my children, Like this was like part of
our lot. I mean, when Tupac and Biggie died, I

(48:36):
was like I cried, like I knew them, you know
what I mean. But it's like I can't go back
and listen to Biggie songs without having him all in
the song. And it turns out sug who everybody thought
was the villain at the time, he was trying to
tell us the truth. He's all in the song. So
I'm trying to listen to Biggie and he's all up
in the music. You can't escape him. He's made it

(48:57):
so he meshed himself so much in that music that
you can't even enjoy it without having me confronted by him,
which I actually resent because I was not a fan
of what he did to hip hop. Like you know,
I love try call quest If you go listen to
a Tribe song. They got forty samples in the song.
You have no idea what it is. You have to
really use your brain and think and figure out what

(49:18):
of those samples. He would just rinse the whole song.
It's like, here's a whole song and let me just
go ahead and rap over it like that was. I
didn't love that for hip hop at all, and I
don't love the way he's so enmessed in the music.
I love, you know it bothers me from home, Brooklyn,
Brooklyn I grew Yeah, but I moved back to Brooklyn
when I was eighteen. So I grew up in Denver, Colorado.
Left when I was two, went to Denver, came back

(49:40):
at eighteen, and then lived here for a decade. Time
bad look, but you know what, there's so many bad
boy artists. I mean, I thought one twelve, well, what was?
I loved one twelve like a lot. Craig Mac I
love that, you know, flavor and your remix like this
is like it's classic music, and I'm you know, but
it's hard to confront, Like how do I deal with it?

(50:00):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I mean because as you just said, it's too much
music attached. You didn't. I can't do that. I'm not
even trying to go down that road. That's too much.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I got to give up Joas, giving up uptown and bad.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I'm not doing.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
That's the crazy thing in me. I'm I'm such a baby.

Speaker 8 (50:20):
I had no idea until I started working here that
One twelve was his work.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
I had no idea that the only one who really
to me escaped the whole clutches was Mary. Like Mary
came out of it, even though she had a lot
of challenges. But I mean she had Angelo Lerb like
she had other people around her. But you think about
the groups, where are they? Where is one twelve? Where
is Jodasy? One of the greatest R and.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
B groups was just up there?

Speaker 4 (50:43):
But Joasy, you're.

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Right where his Farns were Bentley. But that's not a
it's not that's not a single.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Of all the stuff.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Farns worth the smartest. Leave me alone. I got my
kids and my wife my family moved on. He just
moved on.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
He wasn't even in it.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
What did you think about going back to Trump? About
him getting his peace prize.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Up and down?

Speaker 5 (51:18):
It's the fun to me, this is the funniest story.
This is what we're doing tonight on the show because
I find this to be the most hilarious thing. This
poor man is living his bucket list. I'm like, I
don't know if he's sick or not well, but he
really is doing like a bucket list thing where he's like,
I have all these things. I want to be a billionaire.
They're like, here man has some crypto like they're just
feeding him stuff on his bucket list to make him

(51:38):
happy because they just want him to just be happy.
So he's staying playing traffic while they run the country. Right.
This man wanted to Nobel Peace Prize so badly he
couldn't get it. He's like I've saw twelve vords, like no,
you haven't. And he's so needy and pathetic that he
wants a peace prize and FIFA knew how to play him.
They are like, we'll just invent a peace prize. Let
me just give it to you. Because literally they are

(52:01):
one of the most corrupt organizations in history. If you
love soccer, FIFA is mad corrupt, really crazy corrupt. There's
so many scandals and bribery scandals about like who gets
the World Cup and what cities get it and a
bribery like FIFA is scandalized for years for being corrupt.

(52:22):
The man who runs FIFA comes over and hands Trump
made up gold medal. You know, like when you like
somebody just want you to come to an event and
they give you an award, and that award is you
the first one to get it right, because they just
wanted you to come. Get you.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
The La Times was saying that a part of them
making it up too is because they're trying to make
sure that they don't have like interference with a lot
of the stuff they have coming in, Like they're trying
to make friends with.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Him because when so, the World Cup is coming in
twenty twenty six to the United States. It's gonna be
in the Canada, Mexico and the US. Trump had already
threatened they're gonna have ice at the games, because who
plays in a World Cup? A lot of Latin you know,
a lot of Africans, a lot of it's a lot
of black and brown people. Most of the stars are black,
even in like the French team, all the stars are black.

(53:11):
Like all the Italian teams, all the stars are black.
So you're talking about a lot of black and brown
people coming here to play soccer, and they're going to
be in all these different cities. He's threatening to take
the World Cup match games away from blue cities. He
doesn't like if they don't let him do immigration stuff.
He's throwing all the threats out, the usual Trump shit,
and so the reaction of FIFA is they don't want

(53:32):
the World Cup disrupted. So they're like, here's how we
can tame him. We'll just give him a fake prize
that we made up for him. It's pathetic. It's like
the most pathetic thing a president has ever done. It's sad.
It's like in order, and he's so.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
O I'm so honored.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Let me just accept, let me put it on right now.
I don't even want to wait. I'm gonna put it
on me right now. And it's like, dude, that's not
a real peace prize. It's not real. They've made it up.
But he's so glorified, he feels so glorified.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
It's empathetic when you think about the public conversation that
was around you know, Biden's you know age, and you're
starting to be a public conversation around Trump's age and
stamina and stuff like that. Are we having an honest
enough conversation about age and leadership?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
No? I mean, and first of all, they're just I'm like,
where is Jake Tapper on this? This dude is sundown ing.
We had a guy on who's who's the founder of
duty to Warn? John Gartner? Doctor John Gardner. He's a psychotherapist.
This is this is what his specialty is, and he
is like, from a clinician's point of view, this man
is sundowning. He has cognitive decline that you can see

(54:38):
screaming at reporters, calling people piggy, yelling at them like
this is like not even how he used to be
ten years ago. His his his sort of verbal acuity
has gone down. His the sort of range of words
in his you know that he can access in his
vocabulary has been decreased. Like he clearly is in the
cline and no one is sounding along that they did
with Biden. Biden with shambling and shuffling and we could

(54:59):
see it was all but with Trump, like the decline
is like in your face and we're not having this
conversation and we're not saying do we trust him with
the button?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah? I wonder that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I wonder what trump the difference between Trump and Biden
Biden was in office and was campaigning again, I wonder
if we saw this on the campaign trail, what the
conversation would have.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Been, Like, I mean, but we did see it on
the campaign trail. With Trump, it's just that everyone would
stay and watch him. So like he did a Fox interview.
Do you remember the interview he did? It was like
a barbershop type of thing. It was like he was
in like a like a barber shop sort of situation
and he's talking to all these different and it was
like really cut short on Fox. But if you watch
the longer clips, he's just rambling. Like if it was

(55:44):
your grandpa, you would be like you need your medications
or then you know, like this guy works from noon
to five pm. That's a five hour day. The presidency
is like a twenty four hour day job. He works
five Clearly, the marks on his hands, the cankles, he's
not well, and that's like no one wants to They

(56:06):
were pretending that he's not declining before us, and he
has three more years at least, and he wants to
stay in and be he claims he gonna run again
at twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Would give me another ridiculous conversation. I don't even if
people should be entertaining that conversation. Like that's when I
get mad at media because I'm like, stop having that conversation.
Let people know this cannot can't happen. Unconstitutional, Right, it's
against the law, except.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
If he just stayed in office. Who loan check and
move but the military. But that's the.

Speaker 8 (56:35):
Thing saying that he can't do it. What other things
that we not know that he can't do that, he's
just doing them.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
So it's like that's what I worry about.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
Some people are scared maybe he is going to run again,
because yeah, by law, you can't.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
You can't run more than twice, right, you cannot run.
He can't even run as vice president because he would
be eligible to be president if anything happened to the present,
Like he can't do any of it. But my question
is maybe he just stays. I mean, the last time
he tried. If you think about what he did in
twenty twenty one, he didn't try to run again. He
just tried to not leave. Yeah hmmm, So I mean

(57:11):
he did try this before, and now he got away
with that pardoned all the people who helped him try
to He tried to just not leave. So why wouldn't
he try it again now that he's been affirmed by
the Supreme Court that there was nothing wrong with that,
that he cannot commit a crime, that he can kill
someone with Seal Team six and he literally is killing
boats with Seal Team six, which is what the Supreme

(57:32):
Court that he could do. They said he could sell pardons.
He's doing that, we think. I mean, I don't know
if he's selling them, but somebody's selling his transacting money
for pardons to happen. He's doing whatever he wants. So
if he decides I'm gonna repeat my twenty twenty one
thing and just not leave, Hugo, check them boo. I'm
just wondering who's going to be that person that's gonna
check him. I'm not sure not the Supreme Court. Won't

(57:55):
they just be like, you know, we read the Constitution
and we realized that maybe Trump could just stay like,
are they going to stop them? That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
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