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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Click up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
You don't finished for y'all done morning.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
Everybody's stej Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy. We are
the Breakfast Club. Long the roses here as well. We
got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed from
the w w E ladies and gentlemen. All truth welcome, appreciated.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Man. How are you feeling, brother, man, I'm feeling fantastic.
You ain't here what you know what I'm saying about? Folks?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man, I'm glad to see your brother. You like you
can fight for real. Some wrestlers just have the aesthetic,
but you don't think they could probably do something in
real life.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It is big you like you can scrap strap.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm dar skin you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Nothing to do with your complexion.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
But grew up to fight, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you
know what I'm saying. Like, I grew up having to fight,
so yeah yeah, I've been fighting. So I was younger
but trained as well too.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That what got you into actually want to be a
professional wrestler, nah?
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What got me into it was a guy named Jack Crockett.
I met him in the halfway house and I've always
wanted to be this big rap star as big you
know what I'm saying. I want to be the next
MC hammer, but not from North Carolina, Charlotte, So have
more foe. You know what I'm saying. So Bro, this
is like a dream. I check it out. Meeting a
guy named Jack Crockett in the halfway house selling them
(01:13):
cookies on the street. You know what I'm saying. Do
my little things houses for my dancers. I had dance groups.
I don't open up for Tracy Spencer, Chubb, Rob required
me back in the days, get busy. I've been going
to Jack the rappers. You know what I'm saying. I
still dam still do my thing.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So your sixties seventies, born.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
In seventies, born in seventies, seventy seventy two from babies, Brian,
I got five keys. But yeah, man, Jack Crockett in
a halfway house, you know what I'm saying. And this
was like I know how it fuused to be somewhere
like I was twenty five dog and I don't know
(01:51):
what I want to do with my life. Didn't want
to play football the more, too many injuries, but I
wanted to live his rap dream. Met Jack Crockett brouh
for somewhere somebody to believe in me, and I have
half way house. Uh. He said, when you get out,
I'm gonna get your job. I thought the mother, Oh,
you can come from his mother. So I thought he
wanted me to cut his grass or something. Right, But
(02:12):
that was the first time I was introduced to professional wrestling.
Took me to three w c W shows in Atlanta,
and bro I was sitting there. He was a cameraman
at this time. He said, but I never gave back before.
God told me to give back to you. So I'm like, okay, cool.
So I'm sitting there watching Rick Fleir music here first
time at a wrestling show, I'm saying, man, Rick fleck
came down Jack cro and said, see that could be you.
(02:33):
How you was rapping and dancing and telling jokes in
jail and you, he said, you could be doing that,
he said, and you could do the fighting the splits
she was doing. He said, you'll be able to have
an audience, you be able to invest in your own
stuff and have to ask somebody else for nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It wasn't too many black wrestlers back then too, especially,
it was like a junk yard. I was w W
for w c W.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Booker T steven right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
When he told you that. Did you believe that at
the time?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
No, No, I didn't. Just I was, uh, and see
this again, this is life. We just growing mature as
we go. Man, Like you never stopped. Sorry, you never stopped.
I can cuss on this bitch. You never stopped learning, right.
And I turned them down for two years. Wow. And
I actually went back out in the streets again. But
I said, you know what, I remember talking about one time,
(03:28):
I'm gonna sell drugs till they stopped making it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
She's like your mother, they stopped making them, Jesus, that
was yeah. But I never wanted to stop.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's who I needed.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Was never gonna stop making drugs.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You'll stop, that's all she said, You'll stop. But I
go with my uncle doing up my family like it.
I thought it was the thing to do to get
where you want to be at you know how it is, Dougts.
So it's like I remember going back and forth to
jail at I was like, you know, I ain't want
to know. You know what I'm saying. They ain't got
to stop making it, but I ain't gonna you know
what I'm saying, take no more. So I went to like,
you know what I'm saying, stick them up. It was
like I'm gonna it out. I was lost. I was
(04:06):
I was stuck in a not knowing what you want
to do with your life the rest of your life.
You done gave up scholarships to Georgia Tech, Clympson, Syracuse
for football.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You done.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Man?
So it was like I would I don't know what
I want to do with my life. Man.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You sure you're not to wrap a baby from another multiverse?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No? But Jess, I turned them down for two years
and it was the last time I went to jail.
And that's when I met Crockett. And it was like
the Bible say, the faith of a mustard seed or
the ram in the bush, and all those little things
made sense to me, man, because it was like I
was sick and tired of being sick and tired, and
(04:42):
I was like, damn, I do something different, man, I
do something. I do something Crockett. Crockett told me he'd
get me a job and it wasn't cutting grass. So
I called Crocket up. He came and picked me up,
took me back to the same restaurant again. He said,
this won't cost you up a time of dedication. I'm
gonna pay for everything. So sometimes the universe got to
give us these tools sources, but we just got to
apply the right.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It's crazy how like he took me to one school
and people's like, you know how your name association helps
you out in life? Oh Crocky brought you in here.
Oh dog, let me show you this, Let me show
you this. Make sure that like I have so many
people showing me from headline to takeovers, the arm drags
to risk, you know, the top blocks. So it's like
I just graduated met Manning from now there's a raging
bull he finished training me. He's someding to teach you
(05:24):
how to take care of yourself in the ring and
outside the ring, psychological wrestling, being involved so much stuff,
just like I'm sure with your job that involves a
lot mentally, people don't even know about it right, So
many for they've got trained ended up in NWA Wildside
Cornelis you in Georgia? Bill Barrons Rick Michael said, hey man,
you belong on TV. Dog let me all make a
(05:45):
take for you. I mean his dad was the camera
guys there. Think about it. Now I'm doing this. I
ain't in the streaks no more. I'm making five dollars,
seven dollars. Sometimes we got paid a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
That was like on the Independence. I did independence for
four years years and before before before I got on
TV show, before any of that, I did Independent and
that would you taste the blood? If you want to
do this, you're gonna do it like going inside and
nobody there. You know what I'm saying, Like five six people.
You know what I'm saying. You had to build it out.
But I was doing something different. I went a different
(06:19):
route to get where I wanted to get to the
street too. Man, Mama was proud of me. Man, my family,
I was proud, you know what I'm saying. I was proud,
and uh it just started like blossoming and growing and
growing and growing. Man to where Rick Michael das, I'm
gonna make a tape for you, made a tape for me.
This is years ago, now, you know what I'm saying.
Fifty four yesterday. So uh I so Rick Michael, Dad say,
(06:46):
I'm gonna make you a tape, just send it in,
made me a tape, sent it in. I got a
call and I was flying up to Stanford the w
w F back then, just off just off of that.
Within two weeks, you know what I'm saying, and it
just started transpiring. I became the first black n WA
champion and that title was around for fifty three years.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I used to love that belt, man, did you don't, Yeah,
because I mean it just was the big gold joint,
but it was always synonymous with Rick Flair. To me,
it never even looked right on nobody else. Yeah, but
one other person that looked right on was Goldberg, but
it was w C W by then.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yes, yes, so man, and never again, you did never
stop learning. I didn't realize how prestigious that title was,
to be the first black n WA champion, Like how
younger and blacks look at me, or like oh I
can do that now, I can, you know what I'm saying.
So just living live, living into where now I've excelled into,
Like I think I'm more popular than I've ever been
(07:44):
in my career right now, right now, right now, and
in the wrestle have being that's kind of hard. That's
what we call a pop when when you come out,
when I'm like hitting Nicky, I still get one of
the biggest pops. And it feels so everything I I
get reciprocated to me like a lot of fans. Tell me, Bro,
you make me feel. I remember watching you when I
(08:05):
got signed in ninety eight. So that's how long I've
been wrestling. I've been allowed to continue to do this,
still be reinventing myself each and every time. With the Unreal,
the Netflix deal, it allowed me to reinvent myself again.
So life will give you these opportunities, these moments, but
we just got to grab them.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, what would you say to people who think the
Unreal series is revealing too much?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Too much?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Now you think so? Yes, man, it's about the same
as you know what. You know what I'm saying. You
know the rabbits in the hat, don't you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, people know wrestling not real. We just enjoyed entertainment.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But ament wrestling is real.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's the big need.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Jesus envy. There's a lot of real aspects of wrestling
that surrounded and weaved into it. A lot of things
from the Unreal You're gonna see is real. A lot
of things ain't real. Wrestling is feels that we still
give you that illusion. We still a lot of people
believe in these characters.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yess entertainment that I enjoy, You enjoy.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I got a character our truth. I got a Ron
Killing's cha, I got a kick character. I got a
Ron Seena character. John Seena is my older brother. You
know what I'm saying. You know, damn well, jes come on,
but check it out though. So it's like, I think
a lot of people get attached to the character and
see themselves living that life, same as a movie. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
So the people that do say that it reveals too much.
What positive has come out of revealing those things that
people normally don't reveal.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
There's a lot of positive come out of it. You
get to get a deep inside look at what's how
the machine works, you know what I'm saying. A lot
of us get to see the after life of what
it's created and the glorifications that we don't get to see,
the sweat, blood and tears, and the drama, the dynamic,
the diabolical shit that goes on. You never get to
(09:54):
see all of that or how difficult it is, and
you still have to execute and go do that. I
don't care how you feel or how you look at it.
You still got to participate if you're going to be
in this game.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Because you could write a plan up, and you could
write something up, but it doesn't necessarily don't have to
follow by plan because y'all jumping from.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The air, y'all throwing people left and right. I mean,
it's that's why they create that word called audibles. Right,
we have to man like I'm sure with y'all, y'all
get slid something on the spot. You got to be
able to like boom. A lot of times we get told, hey,
y'all got an extra four minutes, y'all got an extra
five minutes, and we ain't got that designed in that match,
Like oh, so you got to be able to like
(10:33):
imp yes, right on the spot.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Other people on the inside reached out to you, like, yo,
we're happy that you're kind of like pulling the veil
back a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
A lot of people, a lot of people like, oh,
hit me up, like, oh, I didn't know it's like that,
Oh I didn't know you I'm saying, So it's I
think it's.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
I mean, like actual like fighters fighters, Yeah, like people
on the inside that would typically want you to kind
of keep some of that stuff to the chest because
you know, what you don't know is how you make
your business. Like have they been like, Okay, we're glad
that you kind of putting some of this out there
for people to see.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I can't even like I don't know they have they
have to have like said it like you said it.
I mean I kind of like I wanted to do
kind of like you know what I'm saying, Like I
I have no problem with transparency that I just told
y'all used to be in the streets that I told y'all.
So it's like, it's what we do with that transparency
is what is how I you know all about me?
(11:21):
Watch how I move, watch my motion, Watch how I
make this ship pop, making it happen, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like I think it's an appreciation
and a respect in seeing that, knowing that and watching
it execute.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Comedic time and too like did that come natural or
was it was it learned over time?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Natural? Natural?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Being dogskin, you know what I'm saying. If you let
it be, we all got super power.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So when they came at you with the jokes you
had to freaking I.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Was ready for that ass. I was ready for that ass.
You know what I'm saying. I dropped them in there.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
How you was when he was younger around the way?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, like, boy, you can't to school naked dressed in
all black.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No, no, no, dog no, like they were saying, like,
you can stand on your head and your hair still
don't touch the ground on the head and you can
stand on your hair and your hair is still gonna
touch the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's how bald you are.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I wanted to know you't got no neck. You gotta
lean back to swallow.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Like she likes those on him. So I wanted to know.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You know, you have a recognizable face now right you're
in wrestling. Has anybody that you stuck up ever came
back to be? Like, bro, you know two thousand that
was me that you stuck up.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Now you robbed everybody in the.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Ship. When I said it, he was like, no, you
ain't have to fight because you know you had you
know what I'm saying, almost light skinned brother, you know
what I'm saying. Ya always gave it to the dog.
But no, man, God bless, I never had that and
I used to keep coming face up to I wasn't
(13:12):
I wasn't dumb. I was completely dumb. It was dumb
for not taking advantage opportunities I had to do and
explore my talent in the right way.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
What's the worst thing that ever happened in the ring?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Like that? Wasn't playing that?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
She was like, ship the worst thing that ever happened
to me? Uh uh got all these kicked out? Damn
yeah real mm hmm yeah, kicked out borrow to sorrow.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You're talking about this ship ain't really get really hurt
in that instance. What's the conversation after, like you kick
my mouth out?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No, it's gonna doll man. It was cool. Man, should happens,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's not always
gonna go the way you wanted to go. You know
what I'm saying, Like things happen. What I'm saying like,
can you continue? I can? Ye, I can keep going,
keep going, keep going. I kind of like I think
when he kicked them, I did have. It was two
gold on the side, so I just pushed him back down.
But you think you're adrenaline going. We were in the
(14:13):
midst of you know what I'm saying, like the hyper
stuff like like you when you're walking out, you get
that piped on my face? That ship yeah right right?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But can you keep going?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Like yeah, yeah, you're good, You're good. Yeah, I'm good.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't know, but I don't
want to keep going, so I won't forget what we got.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
How much did you have to keep going?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Afterday?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I think we had maybe like four minutes left?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Was it on TV? Was?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
It was like wow wow, And and so I'm I'm
just probably dumb question. But they paid for that, right
they paid?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yes, yes? Or they take care of us good? Okay, yeah,
they take care us good? Good, because that is still
a dangerous game. You're playing with your life. Like you
know what I mean, I've been injured. I done have
been injured, but knock on wood, I've lived there and
had a great career man, Like you know, neck injuries,
both shoulders, ribs, stern help tell attending quad and what
(15:04):
is the rehabilitation?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean a recovery like like what is what is
the recovery?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Like what do you do to like get your ass
off that couch. Yeah, get your ass in rehabilitation. We
had works, we had works, yeah, and it just I
never stopped working out since high school.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Because you don't even walk like you saw. You don't
walk like any of this happened. You walked ahead like
you was ready fight them too.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I still stretch. I could still do a jump up
split right there, like I don't mess around with with
my body health, my mobility, being able to move out
while like you know what I'm saying, fifty four, I
could still do back flips all that shit. You know
what I'm saying. So it's yeah, he got to stay
tight with it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
There's only one person that ever thought could die in
the ring, and that was goddamn Cactus Jack.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
My daughter.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
He did right, man, he did.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
But that's a dedication to the business man that was
that was that was his lane. You know what I'm saying,
You got your lane running me. I got my lane,
and it's there'll never be another arm. True, there never
be another wrong killing you. I'm saying, that's never be
another shallow man in the gods, be another DJ, be
another jet. No, we got our lanes and we got them.
We're driving that bitch right.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
You know, have you been able to balance the life
of a w w E superstar, you know as it
pertains to you know well, with being a husband and
a father too, How does that balance with that?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You have to do it. You have to balance it.
You have to have willing participants, loving participants with my
music career, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
trying to balance all of it is just doing what
needs to be done. When I go home, I put
that hat on. I'm my dad, I'm a husband, I'm
my father. I still love my daughter's eleven. She still
(16:46):
sleeping with my wife in the bed. I love that lady,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like I love
taking my daughters to the bus stop and waiting at
the bus stop with them, bro man, come on going
to their schools man, and like eat lunch with them,
and I like that ship, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like I think we make time. We won't
have but so much time in the day, but we
make time for what we got, time for what we
(17:06):
want to put time in, you know what I'm saying.
So you got to balance it. Just when I get injured.
When I got injured, That's how I was able to
do my first country album. I just dropped the white out,
the white out, the white out, not a white owl,
the white I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I don't know what you say, the white what the
white owl? Yeah, but you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Oh yeah, no smoke, smoke.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't smoke. I don't do none of that. Oh no, okay,
he don't smoke.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
White ouse.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You like read for paper?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I do, uh yep, organic if a friend of mine do,
I don't do. My friend, my friend get those swishes,
gold and white, the white out, the white album. Have
you heard of?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You said the album?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Our white album?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Wow, you're so seven O four man?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I can't. I thought you said white owl.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Too, okay, because I was a previous white hour smoker.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So that's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I heard. Just called me country.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So yeah, why is it called the white album?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Have you heard it? Okay? Friend of mine, Alexander King,
was like, man, you should do a country song, a
country song. He said, yeah, bro, you country as hell?
You country as he grew up in Georgia. You lived
in Tennessee, like you your low hanging froo, your audience.
You know, you know what I'm saying the wrestling world, like,
do one country song and thank me later. So I
told my producer Jay Track, I said, hey, man, Alix
(18:43):
said we should do a country song. He's like, let's
do a country album. I'm like, hmm, I said, so
no hip hop? He said nah. I said, well that's
she should be called the White Album. And we just
laughed at it and it became so I just did
that on the radar man like maybe yeah, yeah yeah,
(19:03):
and it's doing good, made the Billboard charts doing good.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
You gotta check it out. Ron kills the White Album Man,
and I got a tour coming up.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Tory taking the White Album on tour.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, y'all gotta come pull up. I gotta come pull up.
Are you stopping in the White parts? Why I'm going
in all parts of the city, all parts because it's universe.
You know, I'm saying a universe wid do you know
I'm saying, I like everybody And shout out to Nick Khan.
Mad again with the Netflix and and me resigned the
(19:40):
deal man. There's a lot of things that came out
of it. Them helped me with my music. You know
what I'm saying, I'm able to like and they're helped
me promote my music to get it out there, you
know what I'm saying. So it's just you don't get
to get the wrestling side of Ron Killings all truth.
You get to get the whole aspect of the whole transparency,
the music, everything, the white.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Do you have a relationship with Rick flat being that
you know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Cool? Yeah, Me Flair, Charlotte Ashley, Yeah, we're all cool. Man.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Was that one of the inspirations growing up?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yes? Man, definitely one my inspiration. Man, Just anybody that
that was doing it was like an inspiration to me,
you know what I'm saying, especially if you're in my field,
my lane the same way I'm trying to go, you
know what I'm saying. Like, it was just he was
a big inspirational part of it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
We you went to wrestling as a kid, or was it? No?
So when your man told you when you.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Got out of jail to try that's what he was
that that was your first real view of it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
And I thought he wanted me to cut his grass,
do you know what I'm saying. But yeah, and just
sitting there, I was a manager first, and just when
Booker T and Steve had just started, he'd want me
to manage them. WW was still in there, and I
was like, nah, man, I don't want to wrestle. Man.
I'm thinking, like you know what I'm saying, like brun
the Hood, you know how it did like you wrestling man,
(20:56):
come on to that, not knowing they are closet wrestling
fans because.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Where we're from. I'm from South care Line, it wasn't
no closet. Everybody. We used to love wrestling growing up. Man.
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Saying that Charlamagne now okay, but I didn't know what Okay.
I was in the streets then, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I wasn't watching wrestling, man, real what okay?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
What did you think about wrestling when he said it
to you? Like, what was your what was your mind
state of like wrestling and just the genre in general.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It was new to me. It was like, man, you
want me to wrestle likes I've never done it before.
You know, it was something new. It's allergic to that
ship anything new or change. We get allergic till we
get a quick reasons on why we should. But nah,
I have adapting a personality. So I just at that
(21:49):
time again going back to that you know what I'm saying,
the faith of mustard seed and sticking time of being
sicking time. Man, I was ready to do anything anything.
I was like, Yeah, I'll go do it, man, I'll
try it. He said, won't cost you never time, dedication,
and again all the people that was willing to help
me and teach me, and just the way it just
moved and I started believing in trust the process. There
(22:11):
are so many things you can gather along the way
with the process and use that ship when you get
to certain levels. There's levels of the ship for real.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right when you got released a couple of years ago,
what was your what was your immediate reaction?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Emotionally? And THENTO me?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh man, where I was when I told y'all, I
was that twenty five year old kid not knowing what
they wanted to do in life. Wow, not knowing what
move to make, not knowing what steps is there are wrong? Step?
Is there rights like this? I was just in a
tunnel that's mentally and emotionally because when I found out
(22:51):
I had just dropped my daughter off her dance and
my son was behind me, I was in the garage smoking,
I mean sweeping. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like, damn it.
I don't know how if anybody feels like to get
fired or get like you know what I'm saying, get fired?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Four times from radio?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Would I said, wasn't fire? So you don't have a
field to get that call? Right they called you to right? No, damn.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
After your last show, they call your office and be like, hey,
moving in another director.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
That's how I was in my last show.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, wow, you didn't get a takeod bye? No, no,
that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So what Triple A said? You didn't really get fired?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Okay, let me ask you this. Then I got the
call right, if I got my my agent working on
this end with their agent, I'm just I put the
stay out of that, right, let them handle that thing.
I get a call from this side saying we're not
going to renew your contract or however it was, you're
(23:58):
not going to So do I come to work? It's Sunday,
next Sunday when my contract was being right, So do
I come to work? No, don't come to work? Oh? Okay,
am I done? Now? Yes? There was no flight, no calendar.
What do you call that sounds like a firing. But
(24:21):
I mean, but it's all I don't know if it's
all the same or it's different. If it ain't, I mean,
I guess I'm teach you to lead creative.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
That I would have felt like because he said that
you were technically still and you were never not under
contract with them.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He also said that, and he said he said he
never intended to fire you or push you out.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
The hope was that by allowing the deal to expire
without a mediate renewal, it would prompt you to reopen dialogue.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
That's why I said. In the time, my agent and
they people was talking and I was staying out of that.
But I got called from this person that said boom,
So I wasn't. I was even in the dialogue situation
with the dialogue conversation. You know what I'm saying, This
is my first time even having an agent hand on
my business. You know I'm saying, I've always for me
(25:08):
telling you from Georgia turn and to be a wildside
this Now, I've always done my own business. This is
my first time having to where I stayed out of dialogue.
So that's the way I took it. It felt like
a firing to me, and that's when I Pauls took
that moment. I couldn't really, I couldn't figure out how
(25:28):
I felt.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Did it feel sudden to you or was this something
you since might happen.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, it was sudden. It was a negotiation, so I thought.
So I was told it was in negotiation, So it
was like, never for once did I feel bitter, jaded
or anger. I was just at lost for feelings, at
lost for words and lost for emotion.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
And I felt like out of the generations that I've
there's people that like four or five years old to
know who I am. There's people that's ninety to know
who I am. So I've been wrestling for decades, Like damn,
I owe them a thank you. I was on the
(26:14):
ride when it was wwf WW like I've I've been
doing things with WB for years, since the ninety eight,
I've been doing things with them overseas and everything. I
owe them a thanks for the ride. Wow. Do you
feel like along the way like somehow.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
The conversation or the dialogue that you were out of
was like misconstrued, Like do you feel like maybe an
agency got it wrong or maybe it was something that
wasn't told to you, Like I.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Said, it was about money that y'all couldn't come close
in numbers. That's a triple ah that I don't know
what it was all about.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm just saying. And that's a good thing about unreal,
you know what I'm saying, Like nobody really knows what's what.
Only thing we're doing is just he said this, He
said that these sad like like again, I was letting
this handle this, I was letting that cook over there
on the stove, and this right here started boiling and
spilled out, you know what I'm saying, and I got burnt.
(27:13):
So it was just like my main thing, my first
thing to do was to show gratitude and appreciation to
the longevity I've had, Like I told you fifty four
and I still nigga, I still moved like I'm goddamn twenty.
I make a factor do that with the fact.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
That they say, don't be bitter that it's over, be
happy that it happened.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's a blessing. And like I just told you, because
of that, man, so many things have evolved out of that.
Over a hundred million people on all social media. On
social media, like responded to that. So that was a
testament to not only who I am, what I've done,
(27:56):
what I've dedicated my life to with the fans have
invested in themselves, in me, uh, the generational of families
that I have inspired, that I have put my life
on the line for that. I have missed anniversaries, birthday parties, graduations.
They spoke and that was the power in power to me.
(28:20):
That was the power of people to me, and that's
that's why I'm here now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
and that's what allowed ship Man. That's I still that's
the best thing that ever happened. Because again, I'm more
popular than I ever been in my career and I've
been doing this for like twenty seven years.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So when you look back on it now, how do
you view that release? You look at it as an
ending or reset or just something else.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Totally, it's ending to a new beginning. As some of
my chairs fucking lit up, Like sometimes we forget who
we are. That's where you know what I'm saying, and
we get reminded. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What that says? Did it change how you define your
identity beyond being our truth in the w W E.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
They ain't go my nigga, my nigga, And it's being
able to leave something back lead something with the W
dot B. This is my last contract. But it's just
like you know how you're on that flight and like
get ready for dissent, but the time that we ain't
come down yet, this is mine, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, uh man, it's the ending to a
new beginning, you know what I'm saying, Like now I
(29:24):
get to give y'all this real ship, you know what
I'm saying, And in the sense, but we're gonna have
fun while you get it.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Do you feel like your contributions to WWE have been
fully realized and you still feel there's more of your story.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
To still more to tail. A lot of shit ain't
known yet, a lot of stuff gotta be told, a
lot of stuff gotta be shown. I think in this,
with all due respect, you feel me. Just with all
due respect, I.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Feel like, you know, I don't know when your last
year's gonna be, But John Cena gott to send off
you right.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Like yeah he did, yeah, yeah he did, yeah yeah yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
They should do the same for you.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, and that'd be me saying damn definitely. You know
what I'm saying, saying goodbye to everybody, But do you
want to say goodbye? It's not time yet? The universe
spoke over one hundred million people said that it's not
time yet, and all we got is time, right, so
within this time, we'll know when it's time.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Like that ship, how do you old fans remember your
time with w W E after after everything you gave
to the company, when it's all over.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I hope I've inspired somebody. If it ain't but one person,
I hope I've inspired people to like ship Man, like
from where I came from, Like if I did it
from a pipe dream, like you can do it, anybody
can fucking do it, And I want forget anything else.
(31:06):
The funny shit this that that's not motherfucker you can
do it. It's just it's just going out there and
applying your motherfucking self, use your resources, use the tools
you got. You can't do shit by yourself sometimes. You
know what I'm saying, It's okay to have help. It's
okay to have people that's that's willing to God damn
prepare you and get a fund of you and be
that fucking stability. But believe in your motherfucking self. And
(31:30):
if I did that, you can do it.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Your story alone is inspiration to a lot of people
for sure. Just what you set here and told me.
I didn't know half that stuff about you when you
took like from the past, like you know, meeting your
guy in the halfway house. You know, you know, just
you're not even starting to wrestle as you know. You
weren't into it when you were younger. You got into
it later. I thought it was something that you had
(31:54):
been into since a kid.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I wish, yeah, I just it's adopting. Always know you
don't have to If that road ain't getting you where
you want to go, get off of us, make a
new track. We can make shit happen. We can we
can speak ship into existence. I did lo the vibe
spoken man like I've You know how many time I
google and seen you and watch your shows. You know
(32:17):
how many time I watched you do your ship? How
many time I watched you do your like A. I
think we speak and say this's that that should have
come the past, and then we'll be like, damn this day,
j'alloo is that universe working in your favorite but we
just got to apply ourselves.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Did John Cena's retirement make you start looking at your own?
Uh you know wrestling mortality?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
His retirement gave me ideas. And I know every ride
come to the stop, right, everything gota come to the stop.
But it's it's it's it's how it comes to a stop.
You know what I'm saying. It is what it does
along the way to that stop. You know what I'm saying.
For that start to be remembered and be appreciated and
be fucking like fucking yeah right, you know what I'm saying.
Get your ass off, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, man,
(32:57):
his his his retirement did a lot for me. And
again shout out the John man. I learned a lot
from him. He's one of the ones that told me, uh,
one heel at a time, and I take that cold.
You know what I'm saying. The heart with me. He's
helped me a lot. Major respected shot the John.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He pushed, He pushed for you to be be like
a main event.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Right, yeah, he pushed me. John always at my back
on that aspect of it. Man. I remember when he
came to me and said why you figured it out?
Like I just do be mean now, I've always been me.
I think that's what makes the art truth of my
character is so relatable to people. Yeah, I make mistakes. Yeah,
I smoke cigarettes. You smoke cigarettes? Yeah, yeah, I'll do
(33:43):
like like should I do that too? It's not like man,
my grandma, my granddad. I remember being with this and
that I get told. That's way more time than I
get told. Oh yeah you can still go. But you
made me feel relatability. Yeah you yes what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Can you tell us anything about Roy Rumbo coming.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Up on Saudi and Rabia?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, y'all have been in Saudi, right, No I haven't.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
They keep talking to me about going, said you gotta go, dog.
They said they spending crazy money for real.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I was in Dubai a few years ago and this
lady was dead. I guess she represented sports entertainment over there.
She was like, may we want to get you to
Saudi Arabia and Anthony Anderson had just came back and
he was dead.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
They was saying this.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Up yea last numbers are good over there, right right?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, man, it's good man, not only that man like again,
I've been with w j b's this is what ninety eight.
I've been going to Saudi it since then. So it's
like Man, Afghanistan, Turkey, Kuwait, I've been Sadi was one
of the first place man like to have to go
to Saudi and have them singing my ring music cheering. Man. Yeah,
(35:04):
they are sad. The people that were last time in
the Saudi that buy my music and play my music
when they come to the signing, that's like so whole
different country. Like uh, and it's our first royal rumber.
We would have there. Wow, first time ever happened there
and uh, Saudi crowd man is like they am. They
be lit, They be lit and it's fun man. But
(35:27):
we appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Definitely check out Truth uh Netflix Unreal season two, you
can check it out. You can see behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You could see.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
They said there was one scene where I guess one
of the wrestlers hit somebody that was in the crowd
and they were yelling it's the crowd.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
They was like, no, he's part of it too.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Was that part of it? I don't know that one.
That's something all about. Oh, that's one of the producers
me on that one. I'm saying the truth. Yeah, thank
you so much. Bet that white album man, get that
white out appreciated, Charla Mine.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
The bread was left.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Good morning, hold up every day a week.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Click your glass up the breakfast glove.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Y'all finishing, y'all done. H
Every day a week.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Click up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
You don't finished for y'all done morning.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
Everybody's stej Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy. We are
the Breakfast Club. Long the roses here as well. We
got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed from
the w w E ladies and gentlemen. All truth welcome, appreciated.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Man. How are you feeling, brother, man, I'm feeling fantastic.
You ain't here what you know what I'm saying about? Folks?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Man, I'm glad to see your brother. You like you
can fight for real. Some wrestlers just have the aesthetic,
but you don't think they could probably do something in
real life.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It is big you like you can scrap strap.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm dar skin you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Nothing to do with your complexion.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
But grew up to fight, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you
know what I'm saying. Like, I grew up having to fight,
so yeah yeah, I've been fighting. So I was younger
but trained as well too.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That what got you into actually want to be a
professional wrestler, nah?
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What got me into it was a guy named Jack Crockett.
I met him in the halfway house and I've always
wanted to be this big rap star as big you
know what I'm saying. I want to be the next
MC hammer, but not from North Carolina, Charlotte, So have
more foe. You know what I'm saying. So Bro, this
is like a dream. I check it out. Meeting a
guy named Jack Crockett in the halfway house selling them
(01:13):
cookies on the street. You know what I'm saying. Do
my little things houses for my dancers. I had dance groups.
I don't open up for Tracy Spencer, Chubb, Rob required
me back in the days, get busy. I've been going
to Jack the rappers. You know what I'm saying. I
still dam still do my thing.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So your sixties seventies, born.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
In seventies, born in seventies, seventy seventy two from babies, Brian,
I got five keys. But yeah, man, Jack Crockett in
a halfway house, you know what I'm saying. And this
was like I know how it fuused to be somewhere
like I was twenty five dog and I don't know
(01:51):
what I want to do with my life. Didn't want
to play football the more, too many injuries, but I
wanted to live his rap dream. Met Jack Crockett brouh
for somewhere somebody to believe in me, and I have
half way house. Uh. He said, when you get out,
I'm gonna get your job. I thought the mother, Oh,
you can come from his mother. So I thought he
wanted me to cut his grass or something. Right, But
(02:12):
that was the first time I was introduced to professional wrestling.
Took me to three w c W shows in Atlanta,
and bro I was sitting there. He was a cameraman
at this time. He said, but I never gave back before.
God told me to give back to you. So I'm like, okay, cool.
So I'm sitting there watching Rick Fleir music here first
time at a wrestling show, I'm saying, man, Rick fleck
came down Jack cro and said, see that could be you.
(02:33):
How you was rapping and dancing and telling jokes in
jail and you, he said, you could be doing that,
he said, and you could do the fighting the splits
she was doing. He said, you'll be able to have
an audience, you be able to invest in your own
stuff and have to ask somebody else for nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It wasn't too many black wrestlers back then too, especially,
it was like a junk yard. I was w W
for w c W.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Booker T steven right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
When he told you that. Did you believe that at
the time?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
No, No, I didn't. Just I was, uh, and see
this again, this is life. We just growing mature as
we go. Man, Like you never stopped. Sorry, you never stopped.
I can cuss on this bitch. You never stopped learning, right.
And I turned them down for two years. Wow. And
I actually went back out in the streets again. But
I said, you know what, I remember talking about one time,
(03:28):
I'm gonna sell drugs till they stopped making it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
She's like your mother, they stopped making them, Jesus, that
was yeah. But I never wanted to stop.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's who I needed.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Was never gonna stop making drugs.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You'll stop, that's all she said, You'll stop. But I
go with my uncle doing up my family like it.
I thought it was the thing to do to get
where you want to be at you know how it is, Dougts.
So it's like I remember going back and forth to
jail at I was like, you know, I ain't want
to know. You know what I'm saying. They ain't got
to stop making it, but I ain't gonna you know
what I'm saying, take no more. So I went to like,
you know what I'm saying, stick them up. It was
like I'm gonna it out. I was lost. I was
(04:06):
I was stuck in a not knowing what you want
to do with your life the rest of your life.
You done gave up scholarships to Georgia Tech, Clympson, Syracuse
for football.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You done.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Man?
So it was like I would I don't know what
I want to do with my life. Man.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You sure you're not to wrap a baby from another multiverse?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No? But Jess, I turned them down for two years
and it was the last time I went to jail.
And that's when I met Crockett. And it was like
the Bible say, the faith of a mustard seed or
the ram in the bush, and all those little things
made sense to me, man, because it was like I
was sick and tired of being sick and tired, and
(04:42):
I was like, damn, I do something different, man, I
do something. I do something Crockett. Crockett told me he'd
get me a job and it wasn't cutting grass. So
I called Crocket up. He came and picked me up,
took me back to the same restaurant again. He said,
this won't cost you up a time of dedication. I'm
gonna pay for everything. So sometimes the universe got to
give us these tools sources, but we just got to
apply the right.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It's crazy how like he took me to one school
and people's like, you know how your name association helps
you out in life? Oh Crocky brought you in here.
Oh dog, let me show you this, Let me show
you this. Make sure that like I have so many
people showing me from headline to takeovers, the arm drags
to risk, you know, the top blocks. So it's like
I just graduated met Manning from now there's a raging
bull he finished training me. He's someding to teach you
(05:24):
how to take care of yourself in the ring and
outside the ring, psychological wrestling, being involved so much stuff,
just like I'm sure with your job that involves a
lot mentally, people don't even know about it right, So
many for they've got trained ended up in NWA Wildside
Cornelis you in Georgia? Bill Barrons Rick Michael said, hey man,
you belong on TV. Dog let me all make a
(05:45):
take for you. I mean his dad was the camera
guys there. Think about it. Now I'm doing this. I
ain't in the streaks no more. I'm making five dollars,
seven dollars. Sometimes we got paid a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
That was like on the Independence. I did independence for
four years years and before before before I got on
TV show, before any of that, I did Independent and
that would you taste the blood? If you want to
do this, you're gonna do it like going inside and
nobody there. You know what I'm saying, Like five six people.
You know what I'm saying. You had to build it out.
But I was doing something different. I went a different
(06:19):
route to get where I wanted to get to the
street too. Man, Mama was proud of me. Man, my family,
I was proud, you know what I'm saying. I was proud,
and uh it just started like blossoming and growing and
growing and growing. Man to where Rick Michael das, I'm
gonna make a tape for you, made a tape for me.
This is years ago, now, you know what I'm saying.
Fifty four yesterday. So uh I so Rick Michael, Dad say,
(06:46):
I'm gonna make you a tape, just send it in,
made me a tape, sent it in. I got a
call and I was flying up to Stanford the w
w F back then, just off just off of that.
Within two weeks, you know what I'm saying, and it
just started transpiring. I became the first black n WA
champion and that title was around for fifty three years.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I used to love that belt, man, did you don't, Yeah,
because I mean it just was the big gold joint,
but it was always synonymous with Rick Flair. To me,
it never even looked right on nobody else. Yeah, but
one other person that looked right on was Goldberg, but
it was w C W by then.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yes, yes, so man, and never again, you did never
stop learning. I didn't realize how prestigious that title was,
to be the first black n WA champion, Like how
younger and blacks look at me, or like oh I
can do that now, I can, you know what I'm saying.
So just living live, living into where now I've excelled into,
Like I think I'm more popular than I've ever been
(07:44):
in my career right now, right now, right now, and
in the wrestle have being that's kind of hard. That's
what we call a pop when when you come out,
when I'm like hitting Nicky, I still get one of
the biggest pops. And it feels so everything I I
get reciprocated to me like a lot of fans. Tell me, Bro,
you make me feel. I remember watching you when I
(08:05):
got signed in ninety eight. So that's how long I've
been wrestling. I've been allowed to continue to do this,
still be reinventing myself each and every time. With the Unreal,
the Netflix deal, it allowed me to reinvent myself again.
So life will give you these opportunities, these moments, but
we just got to grab them.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, what would you say to people who think the
Unreal series is revealing too much?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Too much?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Now you think so? Yes, man, it's about the same
as you know what. You know what I'm saying. You
know the rabbits in the hat, don't you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, people know wrestling not real. We just enjoyed entertainment.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But ament wrestling is real.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's the big need.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Jesus envy. There's a lot of real aspects of wrestling
that surrounded and weaved into it. A lot of things
from the Unreal You're gonna see is real. A lot
of things ain't real. Wrestling is feels that we still
give you that illusion. We still a lot of people
believe in these characters.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yess entertainment that I enjoy, You enjoy.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I got a character our truth. I got a Ron
Killing's cha, I got a kick character. I got a
Ron Seena character. John Seena is my older brother. You
know what I'm saying. You know, damn well, jes come on,
but check it out though. So it's like, I think
a lot of people get attached to the character and
see themselves living that life, same as a movie. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
So the people that do say that it reveals too much.
What positive has come out of revealing those things that
people normally don't reveal.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
There's a lot of positive come out of it. You
get to get a deep inside look at what's how
the machine works, you know what I'm saying. A lot
of us get to see the after life of what
it's created and the glorifications that we don't get to see,
the sweat, blood and tears, and the drama, the dynamic,
the diabolical shit that goes on. You never get to
(09:54):
see all of that or how difficult it is, and
you still have to execute and go do that. I
don't care how you feel or how you look at it.
You still got to participate if you're going to be
in this game.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Because you could write a plan up, and you could
write something up, but it doesn't necessarily don't have to
follow by plan because y'all jumping from.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The air, y'all throwing people left and right. I mean,
it's that's why they create that word called audibles. Right,
we have to man like I'm sure with y'all, y'all
get slid something on the spot. You got to be
able to like boom. A lot of times we get told, hey,
y'all got an extra four minutes, y'all got an extra
five minutes, and we ain't got that designed in that match,
Like oh, so you got to be able to like
(10:33):
imp yes, right on the spot.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Other people on the inside reached out to you, like, yo,
we're happy that you're kind of like pulling the veil
back a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
A lot of people, a lot of people like, oh,
hit me up, like, oh, I didn't know it's like that,
Oh I didn't know you I'm saying, So it's I
think it's.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
I mean, like actual like fighters fighters, Yeah, like people
on the inside that would typically want you to kind
of keep some of that stuff to the chest because
you know, what you don't know is how you make
your business. Like have they been like, Okay, we're glad
that you kind of putting some of this out there
for people to see.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I can't even like I don't know they have they
have to have like said it like you said it.
I mean I kind of like I wanted to do
kind of like you know what I'm saying, Like I
I have no problem with transparency that I just told
y'all used to be in the streets that I told y'all.
So it's like, it's what we do with that transparency
is what is how I you know all about me?
(11:21):
Watch how I move, watch my motion, Watch how I
make this ship pop, making it happen, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like I think it's an appreciation
and a respect in seeing that, knowing that and watching
it execute.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Comedic time and too like did that come natural or
was it was it learned over time?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Natural? Natural?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Being dogskin, you know what I'm saying. If you let
it be, we all got super power.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So when they came at you with the jokes you
had to freaking I.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Was ready for that ass. I was ready for that ass.
You know what I'm saying. I dropped them in there.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
How you was when he was younger around the way?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, like, boy, you can't to school naked dressed in
all black.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No, no, no, dog no, like they were saying, like,
you can stand on your head and your hair still
don't touch the ground on the head and you can
stand on your hair and your hair is still gonna
touch the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's how bald you are.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I wanted to know you't got no neck. You gotta
lean back to swallow.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Like she likes those on him. So I wanted to know.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
You know, you have a recognizable face now right you're
in wrestling. Has anybody that you stuck up ever came
back to be? Like, bro, you know two thousand that
was me that you stuck up.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Now you robbed everybody in the.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Ship. When I said it, he was like, no, you
ain't have to fight because you know you had you
know what I'm saying, almost light skinned brother, you know
what I'm saying. Ya always gave it to the dog.
But no, man, God bless, I never had that and
I used to keep coming face up to I wasn't
(13:12):
I wasn't dumb. I was completely dumb. It was dumb
for not taking advantage opportunities I had to do and
explore my talent in the right way.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
What's the worst thing that ever happened in the ring?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Like that? Wasn't playing that?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
She was like, ship the worst thing that ever happened
to me? Uh uh got all these kicked out? Damn
yeah real mm hmm yeah, kicked out borrow to sorrow.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You're talking about this ship ain't really get really hurt
in that instance. What's the conversation after, like you kick
my mouth out?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No, it's gonna doll man. It was cool. Man, should happens,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's not always
gonna go the way you wanted to go. You know
what I'm saying, Like things happen. What I'm saying like,
can you continue? I can? Ye, I can keep going,
keep going, keep going. I kind of like I think
when he kicked them, I did have. It was two
gold on the side, so I just pushed him back down.
But you think you're adrenaline going. We were in the
(14:13):
midst of you know what I'm saying, like the hyper
stuff like like you when you're walking out, you get
that piped on my face? That ship yeah right right?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But can you keep going?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Like yeah, yeah, you're good, You're good. Yeah, I'm good.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't know, but I don't
want to keep going, so I won't forget what we got.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
How much did you have to keep going?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Afterday?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I think we had maybe like four minutes left?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Was it on TV? Was?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
It was like wow wow, And and so I'm I'm
just probably dumb question. But they paid for that, right
they paid?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yes, yes? Or they take care of us good? Okay, yeah,
they take care us good? Good, because that is still
a dangerous game. You're playing with your life. Like you
know what I mean, I've been injured. I done have
been injured, but knock on wood, I've lived there and
had a great career man, Like you know, neck injuries,
both shoulders, ribs, stern help tell attending quad and what
(15:04):
is the rehabilitation?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean a recovery like like what is what is
the recovery?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Like what do you do to like get your ass
off that couch. Yeah, get your ass in rehabilitation. We
had works, we had works, yeah, and it just I
never stopped working out since high school.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Because you don't even walk like you saw. You don't
walk like any of this happened. You walked ahead like
you was ready fight them too.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I still stretch. I could still do a jump up
split right there, like I don't mess around with with
my body health, my mobility, being able to move out
while like you know what I'm saying, fifty four, I
could still do back flips all that shit. You know
what I'm saying. So it's yeah, he got to stay
tight with it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
There's only one person that ever thought could die in
the ring, and that was goddamn Cactus Jack.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
My daughter.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
He did right, man, he did.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
But that's a dedication to the business man that was
that was that was his lane. You know what I'm saying,
You got your lane running me. I got my lane,
and it's there'll never be another arm. True, there never
be another wrong killing you. I'm saying, that's never be
another shallow man in the gods, be another DJ, be
another jet. No, we got our lanes and we got them.
We're driving that bitch right.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
You know, have you been able to balance the life
of a w w E superstar, you know as it
pertains to you know well, with being a husband and
a father too, How does that balance with that?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You have to do it. You have to balance it.
You have to have willing participants, loving participants with my
music career, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
trying to balance all of it is just doing what
needs to be done. When I go home, I put
that hat on. I'm my dad, I'm a husband, I'm
my father. I still love my daughter's eleven. She still
(16:46):
sleeping with my wife in the bed. I love that lady,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like I love
taking my daughters to the bus stop and waiting at
the bus stop with them, bro man, come on going
to their schools man, and like eat lunch with them,
and I like that ship, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like I think we make time. We won't
have but so much time in the day, but we
make time for what we got, time for what we
(17:06):
want to put time in, you know what I'm saying.
So you got to balance it. Just when I get injured.
When I got injured, That's how I was able to
do my first country album. I just dropped the white out,
the white out, the white out, not a white owl,
the white I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I don't know what you say, the white what the
white owl? Yeah, but you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Oh yeah, no smoke, smoke.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't smoke. I don't do none of that. Oh no, okay,
he don't smoke.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
White ouse.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You like read for paper?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I do, uh yep, organic if a friend of mine do,
I don't do. My friend, my friend get those swishes,
gold and white, the white out, the white album. Have
you heard of?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You said the album?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Our white album?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Wow, you're so seven O four man?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I can't. I thought you said white owl.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Too, okay, because I was a previous white hour smoker.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So that's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I heard. Just called me country.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So yeah, why is it called the white album?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Have you heard it? Okay? Friend of mine, Alexander King,
was like, man, you should do a country song, a
country song. He said, yeah, bro, you country as hell?
You country as he grew up in Georgia. You lived
in Tennessee, like you your low hanging froo, your audience.
You know, you know what I'm saying the wrestling world, like,
do one country song and thank me later. So I
told my producer Jay Track, I said, hey, man, Alix
(18:43):
said we should do a country song. He's like, let's
do a country album. I'm like, hmm, I said, so
no hip hop? He said nah. I said, well that's
she should be called the White Album. And we just
laughed at it and it became so I just did
that on the radar man like maybe yeah, yeah yeah,
(19:03):
and it's doing good, made the Billboard charts doing good.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
You gotta check it out. Ron kills the White Album Man,
and I got a tour coming up.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Tory taking the White Album on tour.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, y'all gotta come pull up. I gotta come pull up.
Are you stopping in the White parts? Why I'm going
in all parts of the city, all parts because it's universe.
You know, I'm saying a universe wid do you know
I'm saying, I like everybody And shout out to Nick Khan.
Mad again with the Netflix and and me resigned the
(19:40):
deal man. There's a lot of things that came out
of it. Them helped me with my music. You know
what I'm saying, I'm able to like and they're helped
me promote my music to get it out there, you
know what I'm saying. So it's just you don't get
to get the wrestling side of Ron Killings all truth.
You get to get the whole aspect of the whole transparency,
the music, everything, the white.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Do you have a relationship with Rick flat being that
you know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Cool? Yeah, Me Flair, Charlotte Ashley, Yeah, we're all cool. Man.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Was that one of the inspirations growing up?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yes? Man, definitely one my inspiration. Man, Just anybody that
that was doing it was like an inspiration to me,
you know what I'm saying, especially if you're in my field,
my lane the same way I'm trying to go, you
know what I'm saying. Like, it was just he was
a big inspirational part of it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
We you went to wrestling as a kid, or was it? No?
So when your man told you when you.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Got out of jail to try that's what he was
that that was your first real view of it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
And I thought he wanted me to cut his grass,
do you know what I'm saying. But yeah, and just
sitting there, I was a manager first, and just when
Booker T and Steve had just started, he'd want me
to manage them. WW was still in there, and I
was like, nah, man, I don't want to wrestle. Man.
I'm thinking, like you know what I'm saying, like brun
the Hood, you know how it did like you wrestling man,
(20:56):
come on to that, not knowing they are closet wrestling
fans because.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Where we're from. I'm from South care Line, it wasn't
no closet. Everybody. We used to love wrestling growing up. Man.
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Saying that Charlamagne now okay, but I didn't know what Okay.
I was in the streets then, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I wasn't watching wrestling, man, real what okay?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
What did you think about wrestling when he said it
to you? Like, what was your what was your mind
state of like wrestling and just the genre in general.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It was new to me. It was like, man, you
want me to wrestle likes I've never done it before.
You know, it was something new. It's allergic to that
ship anything new or change. We get allergic till we
get a quick reasons on why we should. But nah,
I have adapting a personality. So I just at that
(21:49):
time again going back to that you know what I'm saying,
the faith of mustard seed and sticking time of being
sicking time. Man, I was ready to do anything anything.
I was like, Yeah, I'll go do it, man, I'll
try it. He said, won't cost you never time, dedication,
and again all the people that was willing to help
me and teach me, and just the way it just
moved and I started believing in trust the process. There
(22:11):
are so many things you can gather along the way
with the process and use that ship when you get
to certain levels. There's levels of the ship for real.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right when you got released a couple of years ago,
what was your what was your immediate reaction?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Emotionally? And THENTO me?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh man, where I was when I told y'all, I
was that twenty five year old kid not knowing what
they wanted to do in life. Wow, not knowing what
move to make, not knowing what steps is there are wrong? Step?
Is there rights like this? I was just in a
tunnel that's mentally and emotionally because when I found out
(22:51):
I had just dropped my daughter off her dance and
my son was behind me, I was in the garage smoking,
I mean sweeping. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like, damn it.
I don't know how if anybody feels like to get
fired or get like you know what I'm saying, get fired?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Four times from radio?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Would I said, wasn't fire? So you don't have a
field to get that call? Right they called you to right? No, damn.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
After your last show, they call your office and be like, hey,
moving in another director.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
That's how I was in my last show.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, wow, you didn't get a takeod bye? No, no,
that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So what Triple A said? You didn't really get fired?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Okay, let me ask you this. Then I got the
call right, if I got my my agent working on
this end with their agent, I'm just I put the
stay out of that, right, let them handle that thing.
I get a call from this side saying we're not
going to renew your contract or however it was, you're
(23:58):
not going to So do I come to work? It's Sunday,
next Sunday when my contract was being right, So do
I come to work? No, don't come to work? Oh? Okay,
am I done? Now? Yes? There was no flight, no calendar.
What do you call that sounds like a firing. But
(24:21):
I mean, but it's all I don't know if it's
all the same or it's different. If it ain't, I mean,
I guess I'm teach you to lead creative.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
That I would have felt like because he said that
you were technically still and you were never not under
contract with them.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He also said that, and he said he said he
never intended to fire you or push you out.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
The hope was that by allowing the deal to expire
without a mediate renewal, it would prompt you to reopen dialogue.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
That's why I said. In the time, my agent and
they people was talking and I was staying out of that.
But I got called from this person that said boom,
So I wasn't. I was even in the dialogue situation
with the dialogue conversation. You know what I'm saying, This
is my first time even having an agent hand on
my business. You know I'm saying, I've always for me
(25:08):
telling you from Georgia turn and to be a wildside
this Now, I've always done my own business. This is
my first time having to where I stayed out of dialogue.
So that's the way I took it. It felt like
a firing to me, and that's when I Pauls took
that moment. I couldn't really, I couldn't figure out how
(25:28):
I felt.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Did it feel sudden to you or was this something
you since might happen.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, it was sudden. It was a negotiation, so I thought.
So I was told it was in negotiation, So it
was like, never for once did I feel bitter, jaded
or anger. I was just at lost for feelings, at
lost for words and lost for emotion.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
And I felt like out of the generations that I've
there's people that like four or five years old to
know who I am. There's people that's ninety to know
who I am. So I've been wrestling for decades, Like damn,
I owe them a thank you. I was on the
(26:14):
ride when it was wwf WW like I've I've been
doing things with WB for years, since the ninety eight,
I've been doing things with them overseas and everything. I
owe them a thanks for the ride. Wow. Do you
feel like along the way like somehow.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
The conversation or the dialogue that you were out of
was like misconstrued, Like do you feel like maybe an
agency got it wrong or maybe it was something that
wasn't told to you, Like I.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Said, it was about money that y'all couldn't come close
in numbers. That's a triple ah that I don't know
what it was all about.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm just saying. And that's a good thing about unreal,
you know what I'm saying, Like nobody really knows what's what.
Only thing we're doing is just he said this, He
said that these sad like like again, I was letting
this handle this, I was letting that cook over there
on the stove, and this right here started boiling and
spilled out, you know what I'm saying, and I got burnt.
(27:13):
So it was just like my main thing, my first
thing to do was to show gratitude and appreciation to
the longevity I've had, Like I told you fifty four
and I still nigga, I still moved like I'm goddamn twenty.
I make a factor do that with the fact.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
That they say, don't be bitter that it's over, be
happy that it happened.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's a blessing. And like I just told you, because
of that, man, so many things have evolved out of that.
Over a hundred million people on all social media. On
social media, like responded to that. So that was a
testament to not only who I am, what I've done,
(27:56):
what I've dedicated my life to with the fans have
invested in themselves, in me, uh, the generational of families
that I have inspired, that I have put my life
on the line for that. I have missed anniversaries, birthday parties, graduations.
They spoke and that was the power in power to me.
(28:20):
That was the power of people to me, and that's
that's why I'm here now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
and that's what allowed ship Man. That's I still that's
the best thing that ever happened. Because again, I'm more
popular than I ever been in my career and I've
been doing this for like twenty seven years.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So when you look back on it now, how do
you view that release? You look at it as an
ending or reset or just something else.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Totally, it's ending to a new beginning. As some of
my chairs fucking lit up, Like sometimes we forget who
we are. That's where you know what I'm saying, and
we get reminded. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What that says? Did it change how you define your
identity beyond being our truth in the w W E.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
They ain't go my nigga, my nigga, And it's being
able to leave something back lead something with the W
dot B. This is my last contract. But it's just
like you know how you're on that flight and like
get ready for dissent, but the time that we ain't
come down yet, this is mine, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, uh man, it's the ending to a
new beginning, you know what I'm saying, Like now I
(29:24):
get to give y'all this real ship, you know what
I'm saying, And in the sense, but we're gonna have
fun while you get it.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Do you feel like your contributions to WWE have been
fully realized and you still feel there's more of your story.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
To still more to tail. A lot of shit ain't
known yet, a lot of stuff gotta be told, a
lot of stuff gotta be shown. I think in this,
with all due respect, you feel me. Just with all
due respect, I.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Feel like, you know, I don't know when your last
year's gonna be, But John Cena gott to send off
you right.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Like yeah he did, yeah, yeah he did, yeah yeah yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
They should do the same for you.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, and that'd be me saying damn definitely. You know
what I'm saying, saying goodbye to everybody, But do you
want to say goodbye? It's not time yet? The universe
spoke over one hundred million people said that it's not
time yet, and all we got is time, right, so
within this time, we'll know when it's time.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Like that ship, how do you old fans remember your
time with w W E after after everything you gave
to the company, when it's all over.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I hope I've inspired somebody. If it ain't but one person,
I hope I've inspired people to like ship Man, like
from where I came from, Like if I did it
from a pipe dream, like you can do it, anybody
can fucking do it, And I want forget anything else.
(31:06):
The funny shit this that that's not motherfucker you can
do it. It's just it's just going out there and
applying your motherfucking self, use your resources, use the tools
you got. You can't do shit by yourself sometimes. You
know what I'm saying, It's okay to have help. It's
okay to have people that's that's willing to God damn
prepare you and get a fund of you and be
that fucking stability. But believe in your motherfucking self. And
(31:30):
if I did that, you can do it.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Your story alone is inspiration to a lot of people
for sure. Just what you set here and told me.
I didn't know half that stuff about you when you
took like from the past, like you know, meeting your
guy in the halfway house. You know, you know, just
you're not even starting to wrestle as you know. You
weren't into it when you were younger. You got into
it later. I thought it was something that you had
(31:54):
been into since a kid.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I wish, yeah, I just it's adopting. Always know you
don't have to If that road ain't getting you where
you want to go, get off of us, make a
new track. We can make shit happen. We can we
can speak ship into existence. I did lo the vibe
spoken man like I've You know how many time I
google and seen you and watch your shows. You know
(32:17):
how many time I watched you do your ship? How
many time I watched you do your like A. I
think we speak and say this's that that should have
come the past, and then we'll be like, damn this day,
j'alloo is that universe working in your favorite but we
just got to apply ourselves.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Did John Cena's retirement make you start looking at your own?
Uh you know wrestling mortality?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
His retirement gave me ideas. And I know every ride
come to the stop, right, everything gota come to the stop.
But it's it's it's it's how it comes to a stop.
You know what I'm saying. It is what it does
along the way to that stop. You know what I'm saying.
For that start to be remembered and be appreciated and
be fucking like fucking yeah right, you know what I'm saying.
Get your ass off, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, man,
(32:57):
his his his retirement did a lot for me. And
again shout out the John man. I learned a lot
from him. He's one of the ones that told me, uh,
one heel at a time, and I take that cold.
You know what I'm saying. The heart with me. He's
helped me a lot. Major respected shot the John.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He pushed, He pushed for you to be be like
a main event.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Right, yeah, he pushed me. John always at my back
on that aspect of it. Man. I remember when he
came to me and said why you figured it out?
Like I just do be mean now, I've always been me.
I think that's what makes the art truth of my
character is so relatable to people. Yeah, I make mistakes. Yeah,
I smoke cigarettes. You smoke cigarettes? Yeah, yeah, I'll do
(33:43):
like like should I do that too? It's not like man,
my grandma, my granddad. I remember being with this and
that I get told. That's way more time than I
get told. Oh yeah you can still go. But you
made me feel relatability. Yeah you yes what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Can you tell us anything about Roy Rumbo coming.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Up on Saudi and Rabia?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, y'all have been in Saudi, right, No I haven't.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
They keep talking to me about going, said you gotta go, dog.
They said they spending crazy money for real.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I was in Dubai a few years ago and this
lady was dead. I guess she represented sports entertainment over there.
She was like, may we want to get you to
Saudi Arabia and Anthony Anderson had just came back and
he was dead.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
They was saying this.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Up yea last numbers are good over there, right right?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, man, it's good man, not only that man like again,
I've been with w j b's this is what ninety eight.
I've been going to Saudi it since then. So it's
like Man, Afghanistan, Turkey, Kuwait, I've been Sadi was one
of the first place man like to have to go
to Saudi and have them singing my ring music cheering. Man. Yeah,
(35:04):
they are sad. The people that were last time in
the Saudi that buy my music and play my music
when they come to the signing, that's like so whole
different country. Like uh, and it's our first royal rumber.
We would have there. Wow, first time ever happened there
and uh, Saudi crowd man is like they am. They
be lit, They be lit and it's fun man. But
(35:27):
we appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Definitely check out Truth uh Netflix Unreal season two, you
can check it out. You can see behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You could see.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
They said there was one scene where I guess one
of the wrestlers hit somebody that was in the crowd
and they were yelling it's the crowd.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
They was like, no, he's part of it too.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Was that part of it? I don't know that one.
That's something all about. Oh, that's one of the producers
me on that one. I'm saying the truth. Yeah, thank
you so much. Bet that white album man, get that
white out appreciated, Charla Mine.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
The bread was left.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Good morning, hold up every day a week.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Click your glass up the breakfast glove.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Y'all finishing, y'all done. H
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