May 5, 2026 • 18 mins
Today on The Breakfast Club, Zuri Hall On Covering The Met Gala, Finding Her Voice In Media. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hold every day. Click your ass up the breakfast club.
You don't finish for y'all dumb morning.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Everybody's DJ n V Jesse hilarious, Charlamagne the God. We
are the breakfast club. Law La Roses here as well.
We have Zuri Hall in the Builder. She covered the
twenty twenty six met galla red carpet last night for
eight and I know she.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Gotta be tired. And also zurry big up yourself. That's right,
tell about stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate it.
It was courseted. I've got the scars to prove it now.
The necklace was so high. It's painful, but beauty is pain.
How long does your prep take?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Like? How long are you like I wast like looking
for your dress throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You gotta be at two o'clock, so you started nine
in the morning.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, you hear me. The glam genuinely.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I think they pulled up to my hotel room around
eight thirty am. We were in the chair by eight
forty five and then yeah, I was on my way
to the met by You know, we do the rounds,
we do the glam.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Bot do all the pictures, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But yeah, two o'clock we're in position at the met
How long it takes me, Laura, You'd be surprised how
last minute the glam is for us, because it's like, really,
the fashion is important, but I'm also super focused on
just like the job and like who's coming, what do
I need to know?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
What do I need to ask them my dress?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
This was the longest out I'd ever prepped.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
I think a week and a half, two weeks out.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But sometimes I've had gowns that are getting the final touches,
like the.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Day before, two days before.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Last year, I wore an incredible designer, bish Me Cromarty
for the super Fine Black Taylor and he's incredible, was
on Project Runway out of Baltimore, so talented, and he
did a custom look. So that was him just working
up until those final few days.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
So every year is different.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You've been doing this for like a decade.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
How has social media changed what celebrities are willing to
say to you on your red car?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I love that question.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It has changed a lot, because that's part of the
reason people didn't stop last night. I think it's just
there's such a risk of things being taken out of context.
We live in a clip economy at this point, right, Like,
it is not often that people are like, wow, that
was an interesting sixty seconds. I have an idea about that,
but I think I'm going to go watch the full
hour long conversation first before I post a hot take, right,
(02:06):
And so I think people have become more cautious, They've
become more savvy, and I think they've that's also why
we're seeing more public figures and celebrities who traditionally would
not be behind a mic in the way that we
are getting behind the mics or going to their friends
to have the conversations behind the mics, because they really
need to trust that they have what they believe is
(02:27):
a safe space. Some might also argue a softball space, right, like,
you're not going to get asked the hard hitting questions
if it's your bestie who's doing the podcast conversation with you.
But that's just the world, the media landscape that I
think we live in, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Sure y'all see it often here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It often probably experience it often with your interviews, but
it definitely changes the level of transparency, you know. But
I will say, after eleven years of doing this, you
start to build the trust right where I take pride
in people coming to me like the Rock last night,
Dwayne was not really doing.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
A ton of process.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Start not first name, No.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Dwayne the Rock Johnson, mister Johnson. He stopped and we've
got a great interview history. He met my dad and
Maui when I cover the Mawana two carpet. So over
the years, you start to get that feeling of Okay,
I can go to her, I can trust her.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
She's gonna ask me smart questions.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're gonna be fair, but I'm not gonna, you know,
pull a gotcha or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
What were some of your favorite outfits for people that
are listing to driving into work right now? Baby didn't
they didn't see the met Gallo. What were some of
your favorite outfits and why for last night?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I mean, I loved it's so obvious, it's so on
the but Rihanna and asapp like they're always worth the way.
I love how you know they are always doing their
own thing and yet somehow feel very cohesive. I believe
Rihanna was in Mason Margella. I loved seeing Damson inddests.
I just I loved the hair. I loved the pop
of red. I thought it was understated outside.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Of was that diamonds? Beyonce was waren was that old diamonds.
I've seen a report that said it was all diamonds.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I would can't imagine it'd be anything less. I mean
Sarofsky Christo.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Perhaps, I don't know, but they said diamonds. I'm like,
that's about twenty yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, No. She looked incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean she was shying a head to tell Blue
Ivy was a vibe for that to be her first
metal of a carpet.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I mean, she's so cool. She's so cool.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
She's got such a presence and you can tell that
she like, I'm so excited to see her evolution, Like
her star power that she uses is so effortless.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
The shade.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It was so sweet when I asked Beyonce, like, how
are you feeling tonight, and she said, I feel so good.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
My baby's here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
She pointed to Blue and it was like Blue was
just doing her things solo on the carpet. Jay's watching
like a proud dad, and it's like we've all kind
of watched her grow up, so to see her in
a moment like that completely cool under pressure.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
She was really fun to see.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
One of the one other question, one of the Jenna
girls had like a body suit. Then it was like
a dress off of a bodysuit.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That I see something.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I thought people Kylie.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I don't know what the names she had, blond eyebrows, Yes,
you're talking about Kylie?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Wait wait wait wait? Who what with the body?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, that was Kylie Jenner. I don't know what. I
don't know what design that was.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
She didn't stop and talk, And honestly, so much of
my job, like in the moment, if I am not
getting the information directly from them, I don't know until later,
right because in my ear, they're mostly like so and
sows on the carpet.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Try to get I remember, we're talking about the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And then our guys in the studio are covering the
actual fashion details.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
So I'm getting the how are you feeling, who are
you with? What was the prep?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Talk to the talk to me about the road to
the gala.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And then we'll toss back to the studio and they've
actually got the details being fed to them in real time.
So unless someone comes up to me and says I'm
with Michael Cores and I'm wearing Michael Core's I'm finding
out honestly a lot of the time like the rest
of y'all.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Like right Afterirelliarelli.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, oh that looks Scaparelli too, I mean so structural.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, she was rus.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I want to ask about you, it was some moment
in your career where you felt underestimated, and how do
you feel that.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think you know this one, Charlemagne.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I think in New York, like when I was, and
I don't know if it was underestimated. So much is
underutilized through no fault of like the networks. But you know,
I was at MTV. I had signed this overall deal.
I was super excited about it. I thought, this is
like my big break. I've actually been talking about it
on my Instagram, like this plot twist series because there's
(06:28):
some changes coming my way with my career soon too
that I'm actually excited about. But I felt underestimated because
it's like put me in coach, like I know what
I can do if I'm just given the right opportunities.
And I just think it was a lack of opportunity.
It wasn't a time where there was a ton of development.
You were a blessing, right Those opportunities with MTV and
(06:49):
MTV two, with everything that you had going on, really
helped shape me in that moment and sort of give
me a confidence that I was kind of losing in
that moment. Quite frankly, but I think I've always been
kind of underestimated. I'm traditionally I've been shyer than people expect,
and so growing up, the most you would hear me
talk is if I was on stage or on screen.
(07:11):
I think that's probably why I pursue this career. It
was kind of like permission to take up space. And
so because of that, when I would come into a room,
I would always be undrestent.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
She gonna talk? Now what she gonna say? He wants
to my come on.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I never understood that, though, because I never understood why
MTV just didn't use you the way he was using you.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You could have been doing the same thing in the
Red Carbage.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's that's true, But you know, like, did we have
shows like that at MTV at the time, Because I
know the MTV that I you know, we all showing.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
That's true, That's very true.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And the music Awards the movie awards. Yeah, they had
plenty of awards.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I know. The irony is as soon as I moved
to LA and.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Got the job at E News, I got flown to
New York to go cover like the MTV movie and
all that stuff. Yeah, so there was some irony there,
but it all works out how it was supposed to
work out, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
But how do you handle rejection in an industry with
everything is so public facing?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I guess I think I have always been so used
to know, like I just don't know is not yet
for me. My senior year of high school, you know,
our one of our English teachers gave everybody a word,
and mine was tenacious tenacity.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I don't even think I knew what.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I had to google it later, like wait, what makes
me tenacious to don't say it? But then I was like, yeah, no,
that checks out. I think I've just always been someone
who was raised with this almost like a healthy delusion, right.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
My dad is always.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Like you can do whatever you want, you can be
whatever you want, and not in like a generic cliche
way like that man really had me thinking if I
woke up at eighteen I ran for president, like they
could figure it out. They move some things you know exactly,
and he spoke that sort of life into me at
such an early age.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
That no is something I never took personally.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I'm like, Oh, they just don't know me yet, they
don't see me yet, So I never took that personally.
It's you just haven't been able to experience what it is.
I know I can show you if you give me opportunities.
So does it suck that it's a no, yeah, but
I'm gonna go get it somewhere else, make it yes,
somewhere else.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
How do you feel now? Because I know Access Hollywood
just got camp.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
M Yeah, we have that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
How do you take that?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
You know, it's bittersweet.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's the indivent era. I think it's the change, the
changing landscape. Right Like, it's been thirty years that Access
Hollywood's been on the air. The syndication studio is shutting down,
so that's affecting all of the shows that traditionally have
relied on syndication.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Caramo, the Steve wil Coast Show, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I think I don't want to say the writing was
on the wall with this show specifically. I think just
with that model, I am hopeful that you know there
will be some new iteration of the brand.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I think a lot of things are just moving to digital.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
But I am also excited about what's next for me,
and there's still so many other opportunities. I still work
with E right when I'm on these big oars show
red carpets, when I'm in those hosting positions, that's live
for me. When I'm doing Fandango big ticket interviews, one
on one exclusives, that's an entirely different Proper American Ninja
Warriors coming back this summer on NBC.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
So yeah, we've still got that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But I'm excited to have more time to actually build
and focus on IP and ownership. You know, I launched
my show Not About Sports earlier this year, and so
I'm just excited to embrace the changes.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I always roll with the punches. I love it, honestly,
the only thing constant has changed. So you just gotta
rock with it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I know you.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I know you interviewed the Double Warts product cast right
for the second movie.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Yeah, and in the second movie.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's very reminiscent about I feel like what you talk
a lot about in your plot twist series about how
things have to move and adapt and change what has
been your decision to share as those things are happening intentionally, right,
Like we read about you, but you're deciding to give
us your voice on it as it happens.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, I think it's because of that, Like people may
read about it or they may experience me as a host.
I think I got so comfortable being seen without really
being seen, right showing up, hosting the show, being impressive
and focusing on accomplishment only, Like that's always been kind
of a safe space to exist. Like when I'm struggling,
(11:08):
or when I'm confused, or when I'm not sure, it's
easier to like be in hiding for that and then
pop back out when I have something impressive and interesting
to say. And the older I get, the more comfortable
and confident I gave, which is who I am and
like where I am in any given moment, the more
I am willing to embrace vulnerability publicly. And I think
we're all in a really interesting time. You Know, there
(11:29):
are a lot of women, especially in transition Black women,
particularly in the workforce right now, who at a disproportionate
rate are losing their jobs. Right It's tough right now
for everyone, But I think especially for us. And as
I see the comments and I talk with my followers,
I was like, this is honestly a blessing in disguise,
because if I'm willing to be vulnerable about my show
(11:52):
going away, and I'm willing to do it in real
time and be like, I'm.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Not figuring it out totally yet, but I've been here before.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I've had to ride the waves before, I've had to
navigate the plot twist before.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I've always come out on the other side.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And the reason that I can do this in a
steady way is because of what I've learned.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
So let me share that with you. Let me share
why my life didn't collapse.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Let me share what I'm excited about a not entirely
known future like that came through a lot of work,
a lot of therapy, a lot of figuring out who
I am and what my identity is outside of my job.
So when I lose a job, I don't I don't
lose myself because I've done a lot of work to
figure out who Zouri Hall is when she's not on air,
and so being transparent with the plot twist series is
(12:36):
just something that I wanted to share in case it
helped anybody else who's also like, what am I doing
with my life? This is not what I saw for myself,
This is not what I expected. I did everything right
and still and the feedback's been great. So I'm gonna
just keep telling my business in small doses.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
This business.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Something I had to unlearn. Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Jar. Something that I had to unlearn in this business
was yeah, that opportunity sometimes and success and or lack thereof,
is not.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Directly tied to my worth, truly, because as.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Someone who growing up my career, my ambitions, my accomplishments
was my identity. When I was passed over for something,
when it was okay, maybe next time, but not now.
I really I used to take it personally sometimes just
in small moments, and I've realized there's such a political
(13:42):
game to a lot of this, you know, and so
often the reason that it's someone else versus you has
nothing to do with you. And there's also something beautiful
about being able to say that is for them, like
what is for them is for them, what's.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
For me is for me. And I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Tell myself a lie about who I am or what
I deserve just because someone else in this moment thought
that that wasn't who I was or what I deserved.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
And so yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Embracing my worth outside of my job and who decided
that I deserved an opportunity? Yeah, I just had to
unlearn my worthiness being attached to my output, my creation,
my achievement.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Can I we we've got time for one more.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I just want to ask what point in your career
did that come in, Like did that set really set in?
Like like you actually lived that every day?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I would say, E when I was at E News
every day, right, like I'm access Hollywood in the day
to day now. But I would say, halfway through the
original E News experience all those years ago, I had
to figure out how to unlearn that or my sanity
(15:02):
for my mental wellness, because it was there was a
really rough patch, you know, where I think I was asked,
A lot of folks were being asked. It was an
entirely different regime. And I've talked about this publicly before.
They're not there anymore. And they were lovely and great,
but you know, sometimes that the tides turned, it's like, Okay,
this is the trend now, or this is what we
expect now, this is what we want, and I wasn't
(15:25):
willing to meet that moment in a way that fell
out of my integrity, just how I report, how I host,
how I show up. Not saying there was anything wrong
with it, it just wasn't how I wanted to show
up on air, and so.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I was not on air as much, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And so to be willing to sit with that and
sit in that silence and sit with the work that
I was doing, it was a whole lot there be
going on at that point.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I have much else to do.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I think that's when I first really like started to
live that. And it's been about four or five years
of really living in that truth.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Still a journey. Don't get me wrong. I do not
have it all figured out, and I still have moments
of like second guessing myself or am I doing this ride?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Or could I be doing something differently, But overwhelmingly, I
think the more I've built up the other pillars of
my life, my family, my friends, my community, hobbies, I'm
riding horses for the heck of it, Like, there's just
such a full life that has nothing to do with
my career. And I think ironically the moment that I
kind of released the need to have this all workout
(16:28):
one way, the opportunity started flowing more. It's like, you
can't chase it will run whatever it is. It could
be a man, it could be a job. Like you
cannot be in constant pursuit because energetically you're saying, I
don't have this thing.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'm trying to get this thing.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But when I stay grounded and planted and it's like
I am here, I am enough, and these things come
to me.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I know it sounds woo woo, But.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The minute I just fell back, even when it was
because I was just too tired to chase anymore, it
came it's like, oh, well, if you're just gonna sit
there calmly and like open up to what will be,
let me just go ahead and slowly, you know, work
my way to you with this opportunity. And that's when
I knew that things were supposed to be there, because
sometimes I was chasing things that weren't supposed to be
mine that would have ended up being more of a
(17:12):
curse than a blessing.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We got a few.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
We appreciate you for joining us this morning.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
No, I love, I don't think to grow from the beginning.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
So it's just whenever I see on these red carpets,
I'm like, that is so dope because I remember, you know,
ten years ago when they did not know what to
do with at a TV and she was just, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Up there every day, you know, and I'm just like, yeah,
she's just doing what she should be doing.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Actually, thank you for joining us this morning, Thank you
for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And then you know, like I said, I'm gonna put
you in touch that if you need an intern for
next car, somebody to carry your.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Bag carrying things. He used to do it for DJ Clue.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That was an established, stablished I like that goes crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Was go back to that crazy break Go ahead, hold.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Every day a week ago, click your glass up the
breakfast club.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You don't finish for y'all done
Hold every day. Click your ass up the breakfast club.
You don't finish for y'all dumb morning.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Everybody's DJ n V Jesse hilarious, Charlamagne the God. We
are the breakfast club. Law La Roses here as well.
We have Zuri Hall in the Builder. She covered the
twenty twenty six met galla red carpet last night for
eight and I know she.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Gotta be tired. And also zurry big up yourself. That's right,
tell about stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate it.
It was courseted. I've got the scars to prove it now.
The necklace was so high. It's painful, but beauty is pain.
How long does your prep take?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Like? How long are you like I wast like looking
for your dress throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You gotta be at two o'clock, so you started nine
in the morning.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, you hear me. The glam genuinely.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I think they pulled up to my hotel room around
eight thirty am. We were in the chair by eight
forty five and then yeah, I was on my way
to the met by You know, we do the rounds,
we do the glam.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Bot do all the pictures, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But yeah, two o'clock we're in position at the met
How long it takes me, Laura, You'd be surprised how
last minute the glam is for us, because it's like, really,
the fashion is important, but I'm also super focused on
just like the job and like who's coming, what do
I need to know?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
What do I need to ask them my dress?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
This was the longest out I'd ever prepped.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
I think a week and a half, two weeks out.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But sometimes I've had gowns that are getting the final touches,
like the.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Day before, two days before.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Last year, I wore an incredible designer, bish Me Cromarty
for the super Fine Black Taylor and he's incredible, was
on Project Runway out of Baltimore, so talented, and he
did a custom look. So that was him just working
up until those final few days.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
So every year is different.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You've been doing this for like a decade.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
How has social media changed what celebrities are willing to
say to you on your red car?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I love that question.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It has changed a lot, because that's part of the
reason people didn't stop last night. I think it's just
there's such a risk of things being taken out of context.
We live in a clip economy at this point, right, Like,
it is not often that people are like, wow, that
was an interesting sixty seconds. I have an idea about that,
but I think I'm going to go watch the full
hour long conversation first before I post a hot take, right,
(02:06):
And so I think people have become more cautious, They've
become more savvy, and I think they've that's also why
we're seeing more public figures and celebrities who traditionally would
not be behind a mic in the way that we
are getting behind the mics or going to their friends
to have the conversations behind the mics, because they really
need to trust that they have what they believe is
(02:27):
a safe space. Some might also argue a softball space, right, like,
you're not going to get asked the hard hitting questions
if it's your bestie who's doing the podcast conversation with you.
But that's just the world, the media landscape that I
think we live in, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Sure y'all see it often here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It often probably experience it often with your interviews, but
it definitely changes the level of transparency, you know. But
I will say, after eleven years of doing this, you
start to build the trust right where I take pride
in people coming to me like the Rock last night,
Dwayne was not really doing.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
A ton of process.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Start not first name, No.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Dwayne the Rock Johnson, mister Johnson. He stopped and we've
got a great interview history. He met my dad and
Maui when I cover the Mawana two carpet. So over
the years, you start to get that feeling of Okay,
I can go to her, I can trust her.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
She's gonna ask me smart questions.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're gonna be fair, but I'm not gonna, you know,
pull a gotcha or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
What were some of your favorite outfits for people that
are listing to driving into work right now? Baby didn't
they didn't see the met Gallo. What were some of
your favorite outfits and why for last night?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I mean, I loved it's so obvious, it's so on
the but Rihanna and asapp like they're always worth the way.
I love how you know they are always doing their
own thing and yet somehow feel very cohesive. I believe
Rihanna was in Mason Margella. I loved seeing Damson inddests.
I just I loved the hair. I loved the pop
of red. I thought it was understated outside.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Of was that diamonds? Beyonce was waren was that old diamonds.
I've seen a report that said it was all diamonds.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I would can't imagine it'd be anything less. I mean
Sarofsky Christo.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Perhaps, I don't know, but they said diamonds. I'm like,
that's about twenty yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, No. She looked incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean she was shying a head to tell Blue
Ivy was a vibe for that to be her first
metal of a carpet.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I mean, she's so cool. She's so cool.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
She's got such a presence and you can tell that
she like, I'm so excited to see her evolution, Like
her star power that she uses is so effortless.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
The shade.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It was so sweet when I asked Beyonce, like, how
are you feeling tonight, and she said, I feel so good.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
My baby's here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
She pointed to Blue and it was like Blue was
just doing her things solo on the carpet. Jay's watching
like a proud dad, and it's like we've all kind
of watched her grow up, so to see her in
a moment like that completely cool under pressure.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
She was really fun to see.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
One of the one other question, one of the Jenna
girls had like a body suit. Then it was like
a dress off of a bodysuit.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That I see something.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I thought people Kylie.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I don't know what the names she had, blond eyebrows, Yes,
you're talking about Kylie?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Wait wait wait wait? Who what with the body?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, that was Kylie Jenner. I don't know what. I
don't know what design that was.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
She didn't stop and talk, And honestly, so much of
my job, like in the moment, if I am not
getting the information directly from them, I don't know until later,
right because in my ear, they're mostly like so and
sows on the carpet.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Try to get I remember, we're talking about the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And then our guys in the studio are covering the
actual fashion details.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
So I'm getting the how are you feeling, who are
you with? What was the prep?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Talk to the talk to me about the road to
the gala.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And then we'll toss back to the studio and they've
actually got the details being fed to them in real time.
So unless someone comes up to me and says I'm
with Michael Cores and I'm wearing Michael Core's I'm finding
out honestly a lot of the time like the rest
of y'all.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Like right Afterirelliarelli.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, oh that looks Scaparelli too, I mean so structural.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, she was rus.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I want to ask about you, it was some moment
in your career where you felt underestimated, and how do
you feel that.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I think you know this one, Charlemagne.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I think in New York, like when I was, and
I don't know if it was underestimated. So much is
underutilized through no fault of like the networks. But you know,
I was at MTV. I had signed this overall deal.
I was super excited about it. I thought, this is
like my big break. I've actually been talking about it
on my Instagram, like this plot twist series because there's
(06:28):
some changes coming my way with my career soon too
that I'm actually excited about. But I felt underestimated because
it's like put me in coach, like I know what
I can do if I'm just given the right opportunities.
And I just think it was a lack of opportunity.
It wasn't a time where there was a ton of development.
You were a blessing, right Those opportunities with MTV and
(06:49):
MTV two, with everything that you had going on, really
helped shape me in that moment and sort of give
me a confidence that I was kind of losing in
that moment. Quite frankly, but I think I've always been
kind of underestimated. I'm traditionally I've been shyer than people expect,
and so growing up, the most you would hear me
talk is if I was on stage or on screen.
(07:11):
I think that's probably why I pursue this career. It
was kind of like permission to take up space. And
so because of that, when I would come into a room,
I would always be undrestent.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
She gonna talk? Now what she gonna say? He wants
to my come on.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I never understood that, though, because I never understood why
MTV just didn't use you the way he was using you.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You could have been doing the same thing in the
Red Carbage.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's that's true, But you know, like, did we have
shows like that at MTV at the time, Because I
know the MTV that I you know, we all showing.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
That's true, That's very true.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And the music Awards the movie awards. Yeah, they had
plenty of awards.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I know. The irony is as soon as I moved
to LA and.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Got the job at E News, I got flown to
New York to go cover like the MTV movie and
all that stuff. Yeah, so there was some irony there,
but it all works out how it was supposed to
work out, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
But how do you handle rejection in an industry with
everything is so public facing?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I guess I think I have always been so used
to know, like I just don't know is not yet
for me. My senior year of high school, you know,
our one of our English teachers gave everybody a word,
and mine was tenacious tenacity.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I don't even think I knew what.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I had to google it later, like wait, what makes
me tenacious to don't say it? But then I was like, yeah, no,
that checks out. I think I've just always been someone
who was raised with this almost like a healthy delusion, right.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
My dad is always.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Like you can do whatever you want, you can be
whatever you want, and not in like a generic cliche
way like that man really had me thinking if I
woke up at eighteen I ran for president, like they
could figure it out. They move some things you know exactly,
and he spoke that sort of life into me at
such an early age.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
That no is something I never took personally.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I'm like, Oh, they just don't know me yet, they
don't see me yet, So I never took that personally.
It's you just haven't been able to experience what it is.
I know I can show you if you give me opportunities.
So does it suck that it's a no, yeah, but
I'm gonna go get it somewhere else, make it yes,
somewhere else.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
How do you feel now? Because I know Access Hollywood
just got camp.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
M Yeah, we have that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
How do you take that?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
You know, it's bittersweet.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's the indivent era. I think it's the change, the
changing landscape. Right Like, it's been thirty years that Access
Hollywood's been on the air. The syndication studio is shutting down,
so that's affecting all of the shows that traditionally have
relied on syndication.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Caramo, the Steve wil Coast Show, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I think I don't want to say the writing was
on the wall with this show specifically. I think just
with that model, I am hopeful that you know there
will be some new iteration of the brand.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I think a lot of things are just moving to digital.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
But I am also excited about what's next for me,
and there's still so many other opportunities. I still work
with E right when I'm on these big oars show
red carpets, when I'm in those hosting positions, that's live
for me. When I'm doing Fandango big ticket interviews, one
on one exclusives, that's an entirely different Proper American Ninja
Warriors coming back this summer on NBC.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
So yeah, we've still got that stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But I'm excited to have more time to actually build
and focus on IP and ownership. You know, I launched
my show Not About Sports earlier this year, and so
I'm just excited to embrace the changes.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I always roll with the punches. I love it, honestly,
the only thing constant has changed. So you just gotta
rock with it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I know you.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I know you interviewed the Double Warts product cast right
for the second movie.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Yeah, and in the second movie.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's very reminiscent about I feel like what you talk
a lot about in your plot twist series about how
things have to move and adapt and change what has
been your decision to share as those things are happening intentionally, right,
Like we read about you, but you're deciding to give
us your voice on it as it happens.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, I think it's because of that, Like people may
read about it or they may experience me as a host.
I think I got so comfortable being seen without really
being seen, right showing up, hosting the show, being impressive
and focusing on accomplishment only, Like that's always been kind
of a safe space to exist. Like when I'm struggling,
(11:08):
or when I'm confused, or when I'm not sure, it's
easier to like be in hiding for that and then
pop back out when I have something impressive and interesting
to say. And the older I get, the more comfortable
and confident I gave, which is who I am and
like where I am in any given moment, the more
I am willing to embrace vulnerability publicly. And I think
we're all in a really interesting time. You Know, there
(11:29):
are a lot of women, especially in transition Black women,
particularly in the workforce right now, who at a disproportionate
rate are losing their jobs. Right It's tough right now
for everyone, But I think especially for us. And as
I see the comments and I talk with my followers,
I was like, this is honestly a blessing in disguise,
because if I'm willing to be vulnerable about my show
(11:52):
going away, and I'm willing to do it in real
time and be like, I'm.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Not figuring it out totally yet, but I've been here before.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I've had to ride the waves before, I've had to
navigate the plot twist before.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I've always come out on the other side.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And the reason that I can do this in a
steady way is because of what I've learned.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
So let me share that with you. Let me share
why my life didn't collapse.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Let me share what I'm excited about a not entirely
known future like that came through a lot of work,
a lot of therapy, a lot of figuring out who
I am and what my identity is outside of my job.
So when I lose a job, I don't I don't
lose myself because I've done a lot of work to
figure out who Zouri Hall is when she's not on air,
and so being transparent with the plot twist series is
(12:36):
just something that I wanted to share in case it
helped anybody else who's also like, what am I doing
with my life? This is not what I saw for myself,
This is not what I expected. I did everything right
and still and the feedback's been great. So I'm gonna
just keep telling my business in small doses.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
This business.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Something I had to unlearn. Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Jar. Something that I had to unlearn in this business
was yeah, that opportunity sometimes and success and or lack thereof,
is not.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Directly tied to my worth, truly, because as.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Someone who growing up my career, my ambitions, my accomplishments
was my identity. When I was passed over for something,
when it was okay, maybe next time, but not now.
I really I used to take it personally sometimes just
in small moments, and I've realized there's such a political
(13:42):
game to a lot of this, you know, and so
often the reason that it's someone else versus you has
nothing to do with you. And there's also something beautiful
about being able to say that is for them, like
what is for them is for them, what's.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
For me is for me. And I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Tell myself a lie about who I am or what
I deserve just because someone else in this moment thought
that that wasn't who I was or what I deserved.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
And so yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Embracing my worth outside of my job and who decided
that I deserved an opportunity? Yeah, I just had to
unlearn my worthiness being attached to my output, my creation,
my achievement.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Can I we we've got time for one more.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I just want to ask what point in your career
did that come in, Like did that set really set in?
Like like you actually lived that every day?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I would say, E when I was at E News
every day, right, like I'm access Hollywood in the day
to day now. But I would say, halfway through the
original E News experience all those years ago, I had
to figure out how to unlearn that or my sanity
(15:02):
for my mental wellness, because it was there was a
really rough patch, you know, where I think I was asked,
A lot of folks were being asked. It was an
entirely different regime. And I've talked about this publicly before.
They're not there anymore. And they were lovely and great,
but you know, sometimes that the tides turned, it's like, Okay,
this is the trend now, or this is what we
expect now, this is what we want, and I wasn't
(15:25):
willing to meet that moment in a way that fell
out of my integrity, just how I report, how I host,
how I show up. Not saying there was anything wrong
with it, it just wasn't how I wanted to show
up on air, and so.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I was not on air as much, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And so to be willing to sit with that and
sit in that silence and sit with the work that
I was doing, it was a whole lot there be
going on at that point.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I have much else to do.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I think that's when I first really like started to
live that. And it's been about four or five years
of really living in that truth.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Still a journey. Don't get me wrong. I do not
have it all figured out, and I still have moments
of like second guessing myself or am I doing this ride?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Or could I be doing something differently, But overwhelmingly, I
think the more I've built up the other pillars of
my life, my family, my friends, my community, hobbies, I'm
riding horses for the heck of it, Like, there's just
such a full life that has nothing to do with
my career. And I think ironically the moment that I
kind of released the need to have this all workout
(16:28):
one way, the opportunity started flowing more. It's like, you
can't chase it will run whatever it is. It could
be a man, it could be a job. Like you
cannot be in constant pursuit because energetically you're saying, I
don't have this thing.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'm trying to get this thing.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But when I stay grounded and planted and it's like
I am here, I am enough, and these things come
to me.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I know it sounds woo woo, But.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The minute I just fell back, even when it was
because I was just too tired to chase anymore, it
came it's like, oh, well, if you're just gonna sit
there calmly and like open up to what will be,
let me just go ahead and slowly, you know, work
my way to you with this opportunity. And that's when
I knew that things were supposed to be there, because
sometimes I was chasing things that weren't supposed to be
mine that would have ended up being more of a
(17:12):
curse than a blessing.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We got a few.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
We appreciate you for joining us this morning.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
No, I love, I don't think to grow from the beginning.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
So it's just whenever I see on these red carpets,
I'm like, that is so dope because I remember, you know,
ten years ago when they did not know what to
do with at a TV and she was just, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Up there every day, you know, and I'm just like, yeah,
she's just doing what she should be doing.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Actually, thank you for joining us this morning, Thank you
for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And then you know, like I said, I'm gonna put
you in touch that if you need an intern for
next car, somebody to carry your.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Bag carrying things. He used to do it for DJ Clue.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That was an established, stablished I like that goes crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Was go back to that crazy break Go ahead, hold.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Every day a week ago, click your glass up the
breakfast club.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You don't finish for y'all done
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