Civil rights attorney Ben Crump sits down with Mimi Brown on the day of Nolan Xavier Wells' funeral. He shares how the family is holding up, breaks down the latest in the investigation into how Nolan died on Horn Island, and reveals what his team is hoping the cell phone evidence, dispatch audio, and independent autopsy will finally answer. Plus, updates on three more of the cases Crump is currently fighting, the police killing of nineteen-year-old Kadir Skinner in Wilmington, the death of Daniel Erving, and the latest on Kohen Wiley.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Today is the day the family of Nolan Xavier Wells
lays their son to rest.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He would not.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Want us to be sitting around crying and eating.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So what we're gonna do is kind of have a.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Party, and I'm joined by the man fighting for answers
they still don't have.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
We're gonna to get to the truth.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Civil rights attorney Ben crump sits down with me for
a one on one the latest on the Nolan Wells investigation,
the Kadeer Skinner case, Daniel Irving, Conan Wilie, We talk
all of it. It's Monday, July twentieth, from the Black
Effect Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm Needy Brown. This is front Page. Stay with me.
Thank you so much for being here with me today.
How are you, thank you, Mimi.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I'm doing well, you know, considering everything happening today.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
There's a lot happening today. Family and friends are saying
goodbye to Nolan. I know you've spent a lot of
time with the family over the past few weeks. How
are they holding up.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
They're still distraught, still in disbelief, still dealing with just
a wide range of emotions. Fourth of July will never
be the same. Fore, the Nolan Welles family never.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
What do they want people to remember the most about Nolan,
you know, as.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
His mother Christine, and his father Elmore, and even his
sisters and brothers. They talk about how he was always
the person who was positive, who was the light.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
In the room.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
His mother and father say he was always the peacemaker
as well for the family. And they said that, you know,
he was doing incredibly well in football. He had a
great season last year and they were expecting him to
have a breakout season. And his father said they were
(02:06):
so focused on that. He was about to get an
nil deal to a Division I school and you know
now they don't have reason to go to the football games.
You know, his laughter, his you know, just presence. I mean,
it is devastating when you lose a loved one, and
(02:30):
so it's multiplied in this situation because of all the
uncertainty about what really happened as to why Nolan Wells
is dead today.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And you know, speaking of that, has your investigation uncovered
anything in the last twenty four to forty eight hours
that has changed how you and your team are looking
at Nolan's death.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, this is one of the most intense investigations
that we've worked on in quite a while.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
The fact that we have.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
An incredible team of investigators, incredible team of lawyers and
paralegals who I work with on a daily basis, and
we're getting so many calls from people who are on
Horn Island, and people have photographs and videos and testimony,
(03:22):
and it is really starting to get us there where
we believe that we're going to get the truth, and
that is what we've always asked for. We want to
get to the truth of what happened and have accountability
because his parents did not feel they were going to
get our investigation that was fair and impartial. They had
(03:45):
distrust of the legal system based on the history of
the state of Mississippi. And I know a lot of people,
you know, attack us when we say that, but I'm sorry.
We have to live in our experiences and a civil
rights lawyer for twenty six years, but I've been black
all my life, and I understand when their dynamics that
(04:09):
such as these investigations are handled differently if they are reversed.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You mentioned, you know, you know, getting that self on footage,
seeing those photos. The sheriff says that they've spoken to
more than sixty witnesses that they've interviewed more than sixty witnesses.
From your perspective, is there anyone that you believe that investigators,
even yourself with your own teams, still need to hear from.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There are several people want to hear from. We want
to hear from everybody, me, me, everyone, and they're doing
their investigation. We're doing our investigation. We will try to
do things collaboratively when we can, but I'm not certain
that we're going in with the same perspective because, as
(04:56):
I've articulated, if this would have been three black boys
with a young white boy he ended up dead, it
would have been a different investigation. We've seen we would
have saw. Nobody can tell me differently because I've seen it.
I've faulted too many times. There wouldn't be they say, well,
(05:18):
they're cooperate, and it wouldn't have been a choice. Had
it been three black boys, they would have been interrogated
like we see on first party, they would have been separated,
they would have still been in jail right now, I
mean taking cell phones. There would have been arrest and
I mean it's different. And black people in America understand.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That I know you met with the district attorney, and
they said that the case will eventually go before a
grand jury.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But is that is that normal?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know, do they do they arrest first and then
go to the grand jury or is this something that
you know we're watching play out because of you know,
the racial dynamics of the case.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well, I think it's the public pressure. You know, whatever
they say about us, I'm a student of my personal hero,
Theurgood Marshall, and so I believe in speaking truth to power.
I understand that what my role is. You know, we're
private citizens. We don't have the power or the authority
(06:24):
to arrest anybody, to charge anybody, to put anybody in
jail and take away their liberty. But what we can
do is shine the light. We can fight in the
court of public opinion. And I think that's why you
hearing them say we're gonna do certain things. I mean,
(06:45):
the sheriff had come out and said, you know the
first day that infuriated Nolan's mother that well doesn't seem
to be an if oul play is an accidental drown
and that was his suggestion. And I mean, no investigation,
just taking their word for it, and that is the
troubling thing because we have black people been involved with
(07:09):
somebody had been killed a white person and they just
took our word for it and me, maybe there are instances.
I mean, and you know this came out last week
where I announced that we'll represent two other individuals who
died black young men who were with white friends.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Is one of them, right.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Daniel Irvin in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They come to pick him up, go swiming, go fishing,
allegedly he allegedly dry, accidentally drowns, and the two young
white men who he's with, they then throw away his clothes,
throw away his cell phone to lead all the messages
(08:01):
in their self on with him. And then they don't
say anything to his mother or anybody who's desperately looking
for her eighteen year old son. And then four days
they then go and tell the police that he accidentally
drowned and we were afraid and we threw all his
(08:24):
stuff away, his phone. And it takes three months, not
until as my co counselor Seandrea said, not until a
turning crump you exposed the light on Nolan Wells did
they arrest the people for tamping with evidence. But then
one that you all don't know about this coming to
(08:47):
light on fourth of July, I mean fourth of July
twenty twenty six was not good for the young black men.
Same day that Nolan Wells goes missing, Smith and Lexington,
Kentucky is at our house with all white people. He
(09:07):
all there black and he is shot in the head.
The other people who are there the house with him.
They then go hide the gun and then the police come.
And when the police get there, they stay and you,
I can't make this stuff up. Eighteen year old black
(09:29):
man just like Nolan. They tell the police that, well,
it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
They were playing Russian hulent.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
The mother and grandmother of Tyler's mill say, well, they
asked the police, did you do a gunshot residue on
his hands to see if he had pulled the trigger?
They tell her, no, we didn't do a gun shot
resident on him or any people at the house, because
(10:00):
they all would have had gunshot residue on their hands
because they were playing Russian Roulette and they just took
their word for it. Can you imagine if that were
all black people and a young eighteen year old white
man ended up dead and they just gonna.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Take our word for it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That brings me to Kader Skinner, right, because very similar.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know, what people.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Were saying is he perhaps was running from a dog,
and they say, you know that he had a gun.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You know, talk to us about that case as well.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You can see on the bodycam video a dog is
pursuing Kadir. We'll say that Kadir was running from the dog.
We don't know why the police were involved. They alleged
that he had a gun and was shooting a brand
nisionate in front of a crowd of people. But people
(11:00):
saying there was no crowd. The dog owners said there
was no crowd. And yet this is the narrative the
police came up with, we believe, to try to justify unjustifiable, unnecessary,
and unconstitutional killing. Yet again, another young black man being
shot in the back running away from the police. I
(11:24):
have never understood, as I talked to Charlemagne and DJ
and Jass and everybody on for occasion, I've never understood
why a black man running away from a police officer
seems to be the most dangerous thing to white police officers.
You don't see them shooting white men in the back.
(11:45):
And saw my co counsuls attorney Harry Daniels, Attorney Chance Lynch,
these great young civil rights lawyers. We are not going
to let them get away with it. We want everybody
to look at the video of Cader Skinner.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, and I know the family and the attorneys and yourself.
You fought for weeks basically to get that body camera
footage release from the police. They were it seemed to
be they were hesitant to release it. Now now that
the public has seen it, does it answer any of
the questions that you had before you saw it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, we believe corroborates with the family and what the
community believe. I know it turned tasm Figuero, who's in
law school working with office. We often talk about the
links we have to go through just to get simple justice,
just to get things that should be released so we
(12:43):
can have transparency, like bodycam video. Why do we pay
as taxpayers the money for the bodycam video when we
need it most, they won't let us see it and
may maybe we had to fight to come a diress conference. Yeah,
that Margins rallies everything for them to release the video. Now,
(13:05):
if Kadire was doing something bad on that video, it
would have been.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Released that day.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
But it's only where the police are engaged in questionable
conduct do they say, oh, we have to investigate. We
got to wait to investigate.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You know, one last case I wanted to ask you about,
and this is, you know, a really really sad situation.
And then that is of Cohen Wiley. You know, for
those who don't know, if you could shed a little
bit shed a little light on his case and kind
of the latest update on where that case stands.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Now, certainly baby Coin Wildye's case, well, we have a
whole segment just on this step.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So many issues.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It is alleged that baby Coin mother was in Walmart
well another young lady, and that she and baby Coy
actually left the store walking out and they alledged.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
That her friend stole a botch of diapers.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Now that is an allegation because Walmart and nobody had
bought criminal charges because there is the belief that there
is a digital receipt. Now, unfortunately, the police were called
and they shot into a car that they knew two women.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And an infant baby was in.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That They tried to claim it was for the officer
being in fear of his life. Multiple witnesses said the
car was not headed towards the officers. In fact, it
was heading away from the officers. And we know through
our independent autopsy and the objective evidence that maybe CORYN
(15:00):
Wilin was shot from the side right wonder of the
car willet going from right to left, this one year
old infant child. And we know, me, me that if
a car I mean he shot from the right side,
(15:21):
the officer can't be in harm's way if he shot
from the right side. And also the driver of the
car was shot and I mean half of her intestines,
I mean, she was in serious condition. That's why we
don't have as many answers from her at this time.
(15:42):
Thank god, she's stabilized, so we believe we will get
those answers. But the crux of the matter is this.
It was a box of diapers that they allegedly stolen.
We're talking about a box of diapers. Let that sink
in for a minute. A box of diapers they were
(16:02):
called for. This one year old baby is dead because
of a box of diapers, I mean a box of
If you're allegedly still in a box of diapers, it
ain't like you engaged in a heinous crime where you're
going out to sell these diapers on the black market.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
One, will you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Common sensical conclude if somebody was still in a box
of diapers, it was because they were in a desperate
situation to be able to give their baby some comfort.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I mean, you had to shoot.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Into a car healing an infant baby because the lage
self of a box of diapers.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Now, was this also in Mississippi too? Right?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It was in Mississippi, And we're fighting to get the
video out. They do, and that's why we're asking people
to continue to put pressure on the local police department
on the Mississippi Beard investigations and Walmart. Walmart can release
the video. There's nothing saying that they can't release their
(17:09):
surveillance video.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
You know, it's a Walmart.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
They got surveillance videos all over.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
That parking lot.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And before I let you go, I actually just had
a two more questions I wanted to ask you. New
dispatch audio from the boat trip has now been released.
Have you had a chance to listen to that, and
if so, did you hear anything that stood out or
change your understanding of what happened that day with Nolan.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We think we've heard some of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
We don't know if there's more that we hope to
get from our investigation team, and so we believe there's
more to this story, and so I'll just say that.
And we have to keep pushing them to be completely transparent,
(17:55):
not to just release some information, but release all information.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, because I know there's that also that GPS data
as well, that came with you know that tracking, did
that show anything at all as well?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Or you guys still investigating.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
That, Well, we're investigating it me and every part of
this is just another part of the puzzle because we
are going to get to the truth of what happened
to Nolan Welles and why he is dead. And we
have to continue to be dogmatic. I mean, it was
(18:31):
Nolan Welles' family today, you know, but by the grace
of God, it could be your family too. So let's
not have these families. Whether it's Nolan Welles, whether there's
Daniel Irvis, whether it's Tyler Smith, three eighteen year old
black boys all killed in very we're all unlive and
(18:52):
very you know, suspicious ways around the fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Holiday and on independent autopsy. We are just still waiting
on that to come back.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yes, ma'am. And we hope sooner rather than later. You
want to let the doctors try to make their analysis
and do a thorough job. Obviously, we are always having
to play Monday morning quarterback because Mississippi got the body first,
(19:24):
got to do everything first, and then we get the
body six days later and try to figure out what
was the condition before they started. But we're gonna get
to the truth. Doctor Roger Mitchell is a shop brother
who's one of the best forensic pathologists in the country
working today, and he is always focused on trying to
(19:49):
do a detailed review of these people, especially black people
who are killed in very questionable ways. So we're gonna
get that information and release it as soon as this
he tells us, we got everything we need.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Thank you for all the work that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You went over so many different cases, and you know,
I know that has to be a lot for one person,
so this is truly a calling for you, So thank
you again.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Now, yes, ma'am man. In most of these cases, we're
doing them just because they're the right thing to do.
We're not even expecting any recovery or anything, but we
just think there are times you have to take on
cases just to fight for our people, our culture because
the ancestors sacrifice for us to put us in this
(20:37):
position to have these you know, law degrees, this legal
education and resources. Shame on us if we don't use
them when it matters most.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, leave it right there.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I don't want to say enjoy the funeral, but I
know it's going to be a celebration of life today
where you know, the best of Nolan and his friends
and family will get to remember how he lived, how
he died.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
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Speaker 1 (21:05):
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Today is the day the family of Nolan Xavier Wells
lays their son to rest.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He would not.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Want us to be sitting around crying and eating.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So what we're gonna do is kind of have a.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Party, and I'm joined by the man fighting for answers
they still don't have.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
We're gonna to get to the truth.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Civil rights attorney Ben crump sits down with me for
a one on one the latest on the Nolan Wells investigation,
the Kadeer Skinner case, Daniel Irving, Conan Wilie, We talk
all of it. It's Monday, July twentieth, from the Black
Effect Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm Needy Brown. This is front Page. Stay with me.
Thank you so much for being here with me today.
How are you, thank you, Mimi.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I'm doing well, you know, considering everything happening today.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
There's a lot happening today. Family and friends are saying
goodbye to Nolan. I know you've spent a lot of
time with the family over the past few weeks. How
are they holding up.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
They're still distraught, still in disbelief, still dealing with just
a wide range of emotions. Fourth of July will never
be the same. Fore, the Nolan Welles family never.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
What do they want people to remember the most about Nolan,
you know, as.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
His mother Christine, and his father Elmore, and even his
sisters and brothers. They talk about how he was always
the person who was positive, who was the light.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
In the room.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
His mother and father say he was always the peacemaker
as well for the family. And they said that, you know,
he was doing incredibly well in football. He had a
great season last year and they were expecting him to
have a breakout season. And his father said they were
(02:06):
so focused on that. He was about to get an
nil deal to a Division I school and you know
now they don't have reason to go to the football games.
You know, his laughter, his you know, just presence. I mean,
it is devastating when you lose a loved one, and
(02:30):
so it's multiplied in this situation because of all the
uncertainty about what really happened as to why Nolan Wells
is dead today.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And you know, speaking of that, has your investigation uncovered
anything in the last twenty four to forty eight hours
that has changed how you and your team are looking
at Nolan's death.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, this is one of the most intense investigations
that we've worked on in quite a while.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
The fact that we have.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
An incredible team of investigators, incredible team of lawyers and
paralegals who I work with on a daily basis, and
we're getting so many calls from people who are on
Horn Island, and people have photographs and videos and testimony,
(03:22):
and it is really starting to get us there where
we believe that we're going to get the truth, and
that is what we've always asked for. We want to
get to the truth of what happened and have accountability
because his parents did not feel they were going to
get our investigation that was fair and impartial. They had
(03:45):
distrust of the legal system based on the history of
the state of Mississippi. And I know a lot of people,
you know, attack us when we say that, but I'm sorry.
We have to live in our experiences and a civil
rights lawyer for twenty six years, but I've been black
all my life, and I understand when their dynamics that
(04:09):
such as these investigations are handled differently if they are reversed.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You mentioned, you know, you know, getting that self on footage,
seeing those photos. The sheriff says that they've spoken to
more than sixty witnesses that they've interviewed more than sixty witnesses.
From your perspective, is there anyone that you believe that investigators,
even yourself with your own teams, still need to hear from.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There are several people want to hear from. We want
to hear from everybody, me, me, everyone, and they're doing
their investigation. We're doing our investigation. We will try to
do things collaboratively when we can, but I'm not certain
that we're going in with the same perspective because, as
(04:56):
I've articulated, if this would have been three black boys
with a young white boy he ended up dead, it
would have been a different investigation. We've seen we would
have saw. Nobody can tell me differently because I've seen it.
I've faulted too many times. There wouldn't be they say, well,
(05:18):
they're cooperate, and it wouldn't have been a choice. Had
it been three black boys, they would have been interrogated
like we see on first party, they would have been separated,
they would have still been in jail right now, I
mean taking cell phones. There would have been arrest and
I mean it's different. And black people in America understand.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That I know you met with the district attorney, and
they said that the case will eventually go before a
grand jury.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But is that is that normal?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know, do they do they arrest first and then
go to the grand jury or is this something that
you know we're watching play out because of you know,
the racial dynamics of the case.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Well, I think it's the public pressure. You know, whatever
they say about us, I'm a student of my personal hero,
Theurgood Marshall, and so I believe in speaking truth to power.
I understand that what my role is. You know, we're
private citizens. We don't have the power or the authority
(06:24):
to arrest anybody, to charge anybody, to put anybody in
jail and take away their liberty. But what we can
do is shine the light. We can fight in the
court of public opinion. And I think that's why you
hearing them say we're gonna do certain things. I mean,
(06:45):
the sheriff had come out and said, you know the
first day that infuriated Nolan's mother that well doesn't seem
to be an if oul play is an accidental drown
and that was his suggestion. And I mean, no investigation,
just taking their word for it, and that is the
troubling thing because we have black people been involved with
(07:09):
somebody had been killed a white person and they just
took our word for it and me, maybe there are instances.
I mean, and you know this came out last week
where I announced that we'll represent two other individuals who
died black young men who were with white friends.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Is one of them, right.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Daniel Irvin in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They come to pick him up, go swiming, go fishing,
allegedly he allegedly dry, accidentally drowns, and the two young
white men who he's with, they then throw away his clothes,
throw away his cell phone to lead all the messages
(08:01):
in their self on with him. And then they don't
say anything to his mother or anybody who's desperately looking
for her eighteen year old son. And then four days
they then go and tell the police that he accidentally
drowned and we were afraid and we threw all his
(08:24):
stuff away, his phone. And it takes three months, not
until as my co counselor Seandrea said, not until a
turning crump you exposed the light on Nolan Wells did
they arrest the people for tamping with evidence. But then
one that you all don't know about this coming to
(08:47):
light on fourth of July, I mean fourth of July
twenty twenty six was not good for the young black men.
Same day that Nolan Wells goes missing, Smith and Lexington,
Kentucky is at our house with all white people. He
(09:07):
all there black and he is shot in the head.
The other people who are there the house with him.
They then go hide the gun and then the police come.
And when the police get there, they stay and you,
I can't make this stuff up. Eighteen year old black
(09:29):
man just like Nolan. They tell the police that, well,
it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
They were playing Russian hulent.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
The mother and grandmother of Tyler's mill say, well, they
asked the police, did you do a gunshot residue on
his hands to see if he had pulled the trigger?
They tell her, no, we didn't do a gun shot
resident on him or any people at the house, because
(10:00):
they all would have had gunshot residue on their hands
because they were playing Russian Roulette and they just took
their word for it. Can you imagine if that were
all black people and a young eighteen year old white
man ended up dead and they just gonna.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Take our word for it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That brings me to Kader Skinner, right, because very similar.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know, what people.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Were saying is he perhaps was running from a dog,
and they say, you know that he had a gun.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You know, talk to us about that case as well.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You can see on the bodycam video a dog is
pursuing Kadir. We'll say that Kadir was running from the dog.
We don't know why the police were involved. They alleged
that he had a gun and was shooting a brand
nisionate in front of a crowd of people. But people
(11:00):
saying there was no crowd. The dog owners said there
was no crowd. And yet this is the narrative the
police came up with, we believe, to try to justify unjustifiable, unnecessary,
and unconstitutional killing. Yet again, another young black man being
shot in the back running away from the police. I
(11:24):
have never understood, as I talked to Charlemagne and DJ
and Jass and everybody on for occasion, I've never understood
why a black man running away from a police officer
seems to be the most dangerous thing to white police officers.
You don't see them shooting white men in the back.
(11:45):
And saw my co counsuls attorney Harry Daniels, Attorney Chance Lynch,
these great young civil rights lawyers. We are not going
to let them get away with it. We want everybody
to look at the video of Cader Skinner.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, and I know the family and the attorneys and yourself.
You fought for weeks basically to get that body camera
footage release from the police. They were it seemed to
be they were hesitant to release it. Now now that
the public has seen it, does it answer any of
the questions that you had before you saw it.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, we believe corroborates with the family and what the
community believe. I know it turned tasm Figuero, who's in
law school working with office. We often talk about the
links we have to go through just to get simple justice,
just to get things that should be released so we
(12:43):
can have transparency, like bodycam video. Why do we pay
as taxpayers the money for the bodycam video when we
need it most, they won't let us see it and
may maybe we had to fight to come a diress conference. Yeah,
that Margins rallies everything for them to release the video. Now,
(13:05):
if Kadire was doing something bad on that video, it
would have been.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Released that day.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
But it's only where the police are engaged in questionable
conduct do they say, oh, we have to investigate. We
got to wait to investigate.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You know, one last case I wanted to ask you about,
and this is, you know, a really really sad situation.
And then that is of Cohen Wiley. You know, for
those who don't know, if you could shed a little
bit shed a little light on his case and kind
of the latest update on where that case stands.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Now, certainly baby Coin Wildye's case, well, we have a
whole segment just on this step.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So many issues.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It is alleged that baby Coin mother was in Walmart
well another young lady, and that she and baby Coy
actually left the store walking out and they alledged.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
That her friend stole a botch of diapers.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Now that is an allegation because Walmart and nobody had
bought criminal charges because there is the belief that there
is a digital receipt. Now, unfortunately, the police were called
and they shot into a car that they knew two women.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And an infant baby was in.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That They tried to claim it was for the officer
being in fear of his life. Multiple witnesses said the
car was not headed towards the officers. In fact, it
was heading away from the officers. And we know through
our independent autopsy and the objective evidence that maybe CORYN
(15:00):
Wilin was shot from the side right wonder of the
car willet going from right to left, this one year
old infant child. And we know, me, me that if
a car I mean he shot from the right side,
(15:21):
the officer can't be in harm's way if he shot
from the right side. And also the driver of the
car was shot and I mean half of her intestines,
I mean, she was in serious condition. That's why we
don't have as many answers from her at this time.
(15:42):
Thank god, she's stabilized, so we believe we will get
those answers. But the crux of the matter is this.
It was a box of diapers that they allegedly stolen.
We're talking about a box of diapers. Let that sink
in for a minute. A box of diapers they were
(16:02):
called for. This one year old baby is dead because
of a box of diapers, I mean a box of
If you're allegedly still in a box of diapers, it
ain't like you engaged in a heinous crime where you're
going out to sell these diapers on the black market.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
One, will you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Common sensical conclude if somebody was still in a box
of diapers, it was because they were in a desperate
situation to be able to give their baby some comfort.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I mean, you had to shoot.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Into a car healing an infant baby because the lage
self of a box of diapers.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Now, was this also in Mississippi too? Right?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It was in Mississippi, And we're fighting to get the
video out. They do, and that's why we're asking people
to continue to put pressure on the local police department
on the Mississippi Beard investigations and Walmart. Walmart can release
the video. There's nothing saying that they can't release their
(17:09):
surveillance video.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
You know, it's a Walmart.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
They got surveillance videos all over.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
That parking lot.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And before I let you go, I actually just had
a two more questions I wanted to ask you. New
dispatch audio from the boat trip has now been released.
Have you had a chance to listen to that, and
if so, did you hear anything that stood out or
change your understanding of what happened that day with Nolan.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
We think we've heard some of it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
We don't know if there's more that we hope to
get from our investigation team, and so we believe there's
more to this story, and so I'll just say that.
And we have to keep pushing them to be completely transparent,
(17:55):
not to just release some information, but release all information.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, because I know there's that also that GPS data
as well, that came with you know that tracking, did
that show anything at all as well?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Or you guys still investigating.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
That, Well, we're investigating it me and every part of
this is just another part of the puzzle because we
are going to get to the truth of what happened
to Nolan Welles and why he is dead. And we
have to continue to be dogmatic. I mean, it was
(18:31):
Nolan Welles' family today, you know, but by the grace
of God, it could be your family too. So let's
not have these families. Whether it's Nolan Welles, whether there's
Daniel Irvis, whether it's Tyler Smith, three eighteen year old
black boys all killed in very we're all unlive and
(18:52):
very you know, suspicious ways around the fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Holiday and on independent autopsy. We are just still waiting
on that to come back.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yes, ma'am. And we hope sooner rather than later. You
want to let the doctors try to make their analysis
and do a thorough job. Obviously, we are always having
to play Monday morning quarterback because Mississippi got the body first,
(19:24):
got to do everything first, and then we get the
body six days later and try to figure out what
was the condition before they started. But we're gonna get
to the truth. Doctor Roger Mitchell is a shop brother
who's one of the best forensic pathologists in the country
working today, and he is always focused on trying to
(19:49):
do a detailed review of these people, especially black people
who are killed in very questionable ways. So we're gonna
get that information and release it as soon as this
he tells us, we got everything we need.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Thank you for all the work that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You went over so many different cases, and you know,
I know that has to be a lot for one person,
so this is truly a calling for you, So thank
you again.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Now, yes, ma'am man. In most of these cases, we're
doing them just because they're the right thing to do.
We're not even expecting any recovery or anything, but we
just think there are times you have to take on
cases just to fight for our people, our culture because
the ancestors sacrifice for us to put us in this
(20:37):
position to have these you know, law degrees, this legal
education and resources. Shame on us if we don't use
them when it matters most.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, leave it right there.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I don't want to say enjoy the funeral, but I
know it's going to be a celebration of life today
where you know, the best of Nolan and his friends
and family will get to remember how he lived, how
he died.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That's your front page. I Mimi Brown.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
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