The Breakfast Club BEST OF SHOW - G. Herbo, Kehlani, Papoose and Claressa Shields interview

The Breakfast Club BEST OF  - G. Herbo, Kehlani, Papoose and Claressa Shields interview, Recorded 2025. Listen For More!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, wake you up?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Wait, wait, thats up program?

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Your alarmed the power one oh five point one on iHeartRadio.
This is your time to get it off your chest.
Eight hundred and five eighty five one O five one.
We want to hear from you on the breakfast club.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Hello, who's this?

Speaker 5 (00:18):
Oh man?

Speaker 6 (00:19):
Here y'all go with this? Hey't envy all y'all doing?
Hey everybody?

Speaker 7 (00:23):
Why bless y'all, love y'all, Good morning, everybody to morning.

Speaker 6 (00:28):
Okay, first of.

Speaker 7 (00:29):
All, lady, let our y'all, y'all do a good job.
We love y'all out here in the d Okay, I
want to I want to make sure we say all
at first.

Speaker 8 (00:37):
Thank you baby.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
It's not for y'all.

Speaker 7 (00:39):
My cousin's taking me to kill. They're trying to make
this for the three US.

Speaker 6 (00:42):
Shy of man, your black ball head ache.

Speaker 7 (00:46):
You just put our cousin on that goddamn.

Speaker 6 (00:48):
Dump you O to day yesterday everything gave funny man.

Speaker 7 (00:52):
You love our kids down here. You ain't even had
a right make right before you.

Speaker 6 (00:57):
Get going on there? You do the effen. Everybody told
me Bridge don't say that, because you know he talking
about everybody. I don't give a man. Now you talking
about people coming. We don't like that.

Speaker 7 (01:07):
Everything ain't funny, especially when it come to these kids,
man and a black man.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
I'm mad at him. And did it to a black.

Speaker 7 (01:13):
Man that really with his kids and a white environment
that you don't even know about.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
Stop doing that, man, what happened?

Speaker 8 (01:21):
We would have get Donkey to yesterday David Scott Jr.
Forty three years old.

Speaker 9 (01:25):
He allegedly, uh said, told the teacher on ed his
bitch out, and so he got.

Speaker 8 (01:30):
Arrested, y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
And he didn't say that.

Speaker 9 (01:34):
Well, I said, I said during Donkey today. I don't
know if he said that or not, but what I
said was he clearly said something that led to his arrest,
and then I gave other ways for him to possibly
handle the situation, like calmly request the meeting, request a
meeting with the teacher at the school administration.

Speaker 6 (01:49):
L Man, I gotta stop you, bro.

Speaker 10 (01:51):
They did.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
That's what I'm saying. All those things.

Speaker 7 (01:54):
You didn't even exect the story play out the meet.
You know how the media is just like they did.
Hear when they went and interviewed the mother. They didn't
playing the whole cliff is for show the evidence that
she had about how they went to the school, how
they were talking to the.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
Principal while I'm calling.

Speaker 8 (02:09):
I didn't see that on the clip. I watched the
whole clip. I didn't on the.

Speaker 7 (02:13):
Listen, I know you didn't because his brother called it.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
Check the lady about that. That's what I'm telling you.
If it was like that, man, will nobody even saying nothing,
but let me tell you something, what we're not gonna do.
It's been a mass and come over the brothers. That's
really out here, that man with his kids every day?

Speaker 8 (02:30):
Did you hear me? Did you hear me say?

Speaker 9 (02:32):
I can understand the brother feeling the way he felt,
but there's other ways the hands of the situation.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yeah, man, but I want to try to know that. Listen,
he got he don't have these things like that.

Speaker 7 (02:43):
When they saying that's like a different type of environment,
y'all got people places like that in New York.

Speaker 8 (02:49):
What you mean different type of environment? Like, tell me
what are you talking about? What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:54):
Okay? So that they staying the place called eats going
yeah over there really.

Speaker 11 (03:01):
With the breadth, like you know what.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
I'm saying, like Detroit is that's not Detroit over there, so.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's a.

Speaker 12 (03:08):
Mountain and the white air and the white area. Don't
mess with the black people over there.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yeah, not really, not really. You know what I'm saying
that you move over there, that's like anywhere you go.
If you move on the block and it's just just
a fad.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
You know what I'm saying, you won't be neighbors and
you won't give along with people with that area of town.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
On me.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
Survived over there or he's been.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
Over there and they never had a problem from where
he come from. See my cousin a law man.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
He a good guy. Bro. If it wasn't coming now,
I wouldn't have said nothing.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Hold On man.

Speaker 7 (03:43):
Said that he comes from good stop, good family.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
He's a good brother.

Speaker 8 (03:47):
Nobody said. Nobody said he's not.

Speaker 9 (03:49):
All I simply said was there's other ways to handle
the situation.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
And we and he's tried.

Speaker 13 (03:55):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
I want you to say that you can investigate, but
you bring like that mess.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
So he didn't say he didn't say nothing bad to
the teacher whatsoever.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
We ain't gonna say.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
He ain't say nothing that he ain't take no kids, bro.

Speaker 9 (04:08):
And that's talking about By the way, I want you
to go back and listen to the dog as day.
And I specifically said, I don't know whether he said
and is beyond.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
I wouldn't listen.

Speaker 8 (04:18):
Arrested. Yes, ma'am, y.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
You like I tow everybody else, Yes, man, because they
did it.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah, tryna main't do this all the time. He talking
about everybody. Let me take this. I don't listen to
that because I know it's fun, it's entertainment. I'm gonna
tell you like this. We are black man. Our family
love each other, we.

Speaker 7 (04:38):
Love our kids.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
We don't even play games like that. So anybody go
look at any anything.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
Down here on these face looking know that what everybody's
saying about that.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
He ain't even like that. Yes, many carry that took
ran with it. But please don't ever put no image
of our family like I was like that. Bro, we
don't do that.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
That's all I got to say, y'all, Envy, you know
we put down here.

Speaker 14 (05:03):
You know you got that, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (05:07):
All y'all, now, let the moral of the stories show that.

Speaker 9 (05:13):
Let the moral of the story be that I understand
everything that she's saying. But as I said, you can't
go down to the school. Whether he said, ed is
be out or not. Whatever he said caused them people
to call the police and he got arrested. So there's
other ways to handle the situation. Request the meeting with
the teacher of the school administration. Okay, gather more information

(05:35):
and see what their policy is in regards to the
next She.

Speaker 12 (05:38):
Said, they did all that, she said, but.

Speaker 8 (05:41):
She also said that she can't say that he ain't
say nothing.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, that's my cousin.

Speaker 8 (05:49):
I get it, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 12 (05:50):
Okay, I get thank you, first lady, First lady, if
you need another cousin, I'll be your cousin.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
She woke up early in the morning last morning.

Speaker 8 (06:00):
That's great. That's don't mean she's right. I didn't say that.

Speaker 9 (06:02):
I just said because, as I said yesterday, smart people
learn from their own mistakes. Why people learn from the
mistakes of others. We got to learn from situations like
David Scott Junior. And I'm sorry that brother is in
the situation that he's in, but we know that we
just can't handle, you know, things in that way, especially
being that he's a black man dealing with them white people.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
That she said that probably prejudice.

Speaker 12 (06:22):
Yes, all right, let's look to the whole detray, what
up dough out there? All right, get it off your chest?
Eight hundred five eight five one oh five one. If
you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the
Breakfast Club.

Speaker 8 (06:31):
Good morning, it's a new day.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Is your time to get it off your chest. Whether
you're man.

Speaker 8 (06:38):
Or black, something to get up and get something.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Call up now. Eight hundred five eight five one o
five one. We want to hear from you on the
Breakfast Club.

Speaker 8 (06:46):
Hello.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Who is this?

Speaker 11 (06:48):
Yeah, this is trouble Trevor your chest, Trevor, Oh yeah,
like my thing is, you know, I want to put
it out there, mag of, mag Of. We don't have
no fracture in a maga party. It's no fracture. That's
a false narrative of yes, sir, okay all day. Yeah,
So it's no fracture in a maga party. And also

(07:08):
I want to state this because you know, I sit
back and listen and I heard this this, this, this
thing about Trump, this Trump that. But I want to
say like this, Charla Man, I don't care bro, you know, no, No,
I want.

Speaker 8 (07:21):
To say this.

Speaker 11 (07:22):
Remember when Joe Biden told you at the end of
that podcast, if you don't vote for him, you ain't black.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 8 (07:29):
That's something of the.

Speaker 11 (07:30):
Most disrespectful stuff that just want to talk about white
people racist. That's one of the most racist things that
an old white man can tell a black man. If
you don't vote for me, you ain't black. Trump. Trump
is one of the best presidents outside of Abraham Lincoln
that's in that chair.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know.

Speaker 8 (07:50):
I mean, it's false and this false narrative.

Speaker 11 (07:53):
I'm not about no though, but but like you remember
when Joe Biden told.

Speaker 9 (07:58):
You that though right, I was he said to me.

Speaker 11 (08:03):
I said nothing negative, but said nothing negative about.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
That about who about Joe Biden?

Speaker 11 (08:09):
Yeah, the most disrespectful stuff. And he told you to
see your face on your podcast if.

Speaker 8 (08:12):
You don't vote him.

Speaker 11 (08:13):
So basically he's saying, but that's.

Speaker 8 (08:15):
That's not true.

Speaker 11 (08:16):
You know where you're supposed to stand as a black man.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
That what he told you?

Speaker 9 (08:21):
Yes, And I watched, yes, And as I told him
in that moment, you know, it's not about me being black.
It's about me wanting something from my people. So, I mean,
that was that was the common.

Speaker 11 (08:30):
But had Trump but but had Trump said something like that,
it would have exploded.

Speaker 8 (08:35):
But but outside of outside.

Speaker 11 (08:40):
I would have said to that news lady, I want
to get to that news report. Yeah, she got to
report the real storage like because like she got a narrative,
like like she reported and she got that little narrative,
that negative narrative about the king about it's done.

Speaker 9 (09:01):
You know my brother, my brother, No, no, no, no, don't
hang up on it. It is a good conversation. There
is no way that you could.

Speaker 11 (09:08):
I've been knowing about Trump. I've been knowing about Trump
since the eighties. Man, I come up in the inner
city all my life. I've been knowing about Trump since
the eighties.

Speaker 9 (09:17):
If you knew about Trump since the eighties, you'd have
a whole anyway, I'm not even had that conversation.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
This is what I will say.

Speaker 9 (09:21):
It's it's impossible for you to be objective about Donald
Trump because you just called that man king and don
like I don't know why.

Speaker 8 (09:30):
So anything that you.

Speaker 11 (09:31):
Hear because like I know it's gonna trigger, because I
know it's gonna trigger.

Speaker 8 (09:35):
You know what I'm saying, and don't trigger me.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
I just don't.

Speaker 9 (09:39):
I just know I can't have an objective conversation with
you about.

Speaker 11 (09:41):
But you have a good but also I just want
to say this though, if y'all can go back and
look at it, look at the interview with Oprah Winford
back in the mid eighties when Oprah when open Header
Store is Chicago. She used to have Donald Trump on
this Shirwater time. She always used to ask Trump about
running for president. You know, Jeff said, Jackson, you looked
out for Jackson Jackson home girl from the like you

(10:05):
did that movie with Beyonce on what's her name? Like
the singer the Black Girl whom, Yeah, Jennifer Hudson prompt
took her in after that incident happened with her family
with Michael Jackson.

Speaker 8 (10:17):
I never heard that, Michael, you never heard of that.

Speaker 9 (10:20):
No, but listen, bro, you gotta get off your knees. Man,
you call it that white man the King.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
This morning laze and the glade is crazy.

Speaker 9 (10:26):
The Krispy Kreme around your lips right now is ridiculous.
And I'm not if that's your opinion. That's your opinion,
but god damn, you can't even be objective and have
an objective conversation with somebody like that. If you refer
to your president as a king, act, that's ridiculous. That is,
you should never refer to no elected official as a king.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
All right, get it off your chest.

Speaker 12 (10:45):
Eight hundred and five eight five one oh five one.
If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's
the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Good morning, warning everybody, it's DJ n V Jess Hilarious,
Charlamage the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in the building.

Speaker 8 (10:57):
Yes, sir, that Gerbo.

Speaker 12 (10:58):
Welcome the morning and congratulations man the number one record
a couple of weeks ago, grass Man.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Thank you. I'm good. I'm good. I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I do feel number one record.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
I feel good. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I feel great.

Speaker 8 (11:12):
It feel great.

Speaker 15 (11:12):
I'll just be trying to like stay in the moment
real just just keep it like up you know, like
when you where you got those type of moments you
just trying to figure out like all right, well I
me personally, like I gotta figure out what's the next
best thing, Like what do I do next?

Speaker 4 (11:27):
From that?

Speaker 15 (11:27):
Like I try to live in a moment and grasp
up that energy, but just keep it going, like not
trying to catch another number one.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
I'm just trying to keep it going.

Speaker 12 (11:35):
Did you expect that to be the record because it's
not your typical course.

Speaker 15 (11:38):
Well, it was just you just spitting Nah, hell no,
for sure. I was just literally I can't say it enough.
It was just me just having fun in the studio.
I was in New York and was in the studio
me south Side smack and you know south Side Like
I really, I'd be having to give a lot of
credit to Big Bro because he want the only people
that could tell me, like, rap on this, just rap

(11:59):
on this and figure it out, like just rap. And
that's what I did, and that that changed my life.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
As a single.

Speaker 12 (12:09):
Who picked it as a single? Like was it just
I'm just gonna release and see what happened? And it
just took over.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (12:14):
That's why I like, as artists, you gotta like really
just bet on yourself for real, for real, because I
was in a mold of just trying to do music
and see what the streets connected to. I didn't even
like that song came out in December on my app.
I got an app on my own app, like where
I just put out music material content. All this is

(12:35):
just for the people who really support me, Like you
know what, I'm saying, my fans, they know about the
Gebo app. I put it out on my app on
a project that I was just recording all samples too,
Like I did a project with all simples and it
couldn't even go on Apple Music. It couldn't go on DSPs.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (12:52):
Like I put it out on the app in December
and the label put it out on DSPs and like
March April.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
So it's like, you gotta just try to see what the.

Speaker 10 (13:01):
Streets congratulations on your appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (13:04):
Has it changed the bag? Has that single changed your bag?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (13:10):
Because I'll be thinking that, you know a lot of
people be fronting on like the power of radio and
having a big radio record speak to that man.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
For sure.

Speaker 15 (13:17):
I've always been like I knew because I've been independent
this whole time, So I know about like analytics, I
know about like residuals, I know what, like one record
could really change your life, you know what I'm saying. Like,
and I finally caught that record that like that life
changing records, So yeah, the bag been crazy.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
The royalties from radio are better than the streaming.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, absolutely for sure.

Speaker 15 (13:40):
And it's like once you. Once you get a song
that really go radio, it's like it's just like it
just changed everything real change the places you actually perform
at for sure, exactly like you could put you could
put you put money in radio for sure for what
to do what it's supposed to do. But just like
even like it's a different between like putting something in

(14:01):
radio for just get on the radio again, like rhythmic
play playlist, you know what I'm saying, Like all of that,
it's just a big super difference. Like I be talking
to like Make all the time. It's just like once
you get a record, like I'm not even talking about
what legit like there's certain records that like the format
where you know it could go radio, you know what
I'm saying, Like I feel like every artist, all you

(14:23):
need is like one radio record a year, just one, Like.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
You fee what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
It ain't that easy to get one. It's not easy
at all.

Speaker 15 (14:30):
But like you know, hit Maker, that's my big brother,
Like he the god of this, Like you feel what
I'm saying, Like he know the whole formal he do
it like and that's why he's so rich, Like that
riches because he on radio every year at.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Least point it out right for sure, Willow Herb.

Speaker 15 (14:49):
I was just trying to like tap into like that
old hunger, like my old self. And when I be
rapping good and like I be reading the comments, sometime
my fans be like, oh that ain't they Ain't you
heard what? That's a little herd, you know what I'm saying.
I feel like that was like one of my best
eras of rap. Like I always been able to rap.
I'm an EMC, so it's like I don't care if

(15:10):
I'm not even all the way tapped into like my
confidence and all this. I'm always gonna be able to
rap good, you feel me. But like once you really
focus on straight rap, it's different. And that's what I
was trying to do. So that's why I went and
like name my album Little Herb. Like I was going
up like listening to old interviews, listening to old music

(15:32):
videos and I mean watch old music videos, listen to
old songsing like that, and like I was just trying
to find like a higher level of rap for myself,
you know what I'm saying. And I say this all
the time, like you could really get caught up and
what's in front of you, like always been the type

(15:52):
of person Like I say this a lot a lot
of rooms that I was in, I wasn't really in
the rooms, you know what I'm saying, because I'm thinking
about like my past. I'm thinking about what I gotta
do when I get out the room. Like I'm just saying,
what's up, Like there's certain conversations that I really couldn't
have because my mind is all over the place.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
You feel me, like so like.

Speaker 15 (16:12):
In this era where I am mentally, I was just
trying to like find that old hunger that made me
enjoy what.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I have now, Like you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 15 (16:22):
Like that's that's why I really named my project Little Herb,
because like you were, like on the day to day,
I'm thirty years old. I've been rapping since I was
like sixteen for real, for real, Like you feel me,
and I was trying to figure out like damn, like
all the steps to that it took me to get here.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
You feel what I'm saying, Like I forgot to lie.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 15 (16:42):
It's a lot of that idea that I forgot. So
it's like I wanted to make myself remember so I
had to like go back in and like tap in
with my old self for real.

Speaker 9 (16:51):
I heard you say, Little Herb is a full circle
moment and it's a return to the fundamentals. But you
closing the chapter on the Little Herb? What is closing
that chapter to actually look like?

Speaker 15 (17:02):
Closing that chapter is like for real, just letting go,
Like there's a lot of held on to that I
just don't need no more, like for real, for real,
like the street therapy right there, just letting go for
real real, and it is, it is definitely therapy that
helped me.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
It's like a lot of that you hold on to
you just like just let it go, just let it
go and just let.

Speaker 15 (17:24):
It find you, you know what I'm saying, Like, no,
for real, Like I was one of the people that
just like my heart is so big, and I feel
like people knew that, Like people knew that.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Like they grabbed me, and I'm grabbing them back.

Speaker 15 (17:37):
You fee what I'm saying, Like I'm holding on to
that type of It's like that's just letting that chapter go.
Like and people been saying this to me for years
and I've been knowing it, but I never really acted
on it, Like I shouldn't focus on nothing but music
and my family and like God, like that's the only
thing that I should wake up and care about. I
shouldn't really give a fuck about how somebody else eat
or how somebody else get the work or get the

(17:59):
sleep of any of that are not worried about that
for years. Like let's be closing that chapter, like I'm
gonna tap into this, tell my story.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
And just let go, let go and let God for real,
for and that go for everything and everybody.

Speaker 15 (18:13):
And it's a whole nother chapter opening for me because
everything that got me here.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I don't.

Speaker 15 (18:20):
I don't even really have it no more, for real
real like all my friends dead. I'm finna be a real,
one hundred percent independent artist, Like I don't got no label,
no production company. I'm one hundred percent a real new
person and a new artist. So it's like I just
want to just tap into this do what I need
to do, and I'm already doing it for real, but

(18:41):
just like letting go for real, like I don't. I
don't want to have no attachments other than family, no book.

Speaker 12 (18:48):
You're talking about changing your life, right, he was your inspiration?
Break that down to what you see to Meet that
made you think that you can do it.

Speaker 15 (18:55):
I just got done listening to We're Gonna get this
money right now on my way here.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Meek is my.

Speaker 15 (19:00):
Favorite rapper for real, bro, It's my big better And
I was just with Meek last night. We just did
a song last We was in a studio last night,
I believe. But like I used to listen to Meet
and watch me when he was a battle rapper, but
when he really got rich and made this happen, it's like,
all right, but that like it's different from me watching
like Wayne and whole Man, you know what I'm saying,

(19:22):
Like I couldn't like I could relate to it. But
it's like when I grew up and me I seen
him the rich already.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I seen Meek.

Speaker 15 (19:33):
Turn rich, coming from the streets and going through all
this that he went through and really like talking about
it and preaching like positivity and motivation.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
That made me feel like I just want to be
like that for real real.

Speaker 15 (19:46):
Like that to really like helped me grow into the
artist that I am today, for real real, because like damn,
like it's Meek, Like it's not like he was an
artist and he was like far away you feel what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I felt like I could grasp on to that and
become that, Like this is.

Speaker 15 (20:04):
A real streak that became the biggest in the world.
Like he became the biggest best rat and he's a
rap guy, Like I love rapping. I'm an mc so
I studied that first and foremost. But just a blueprinter
like like he like he gave you the real blueprint,
Like you get on, you take care of you do
what you're supposed to do. You take care of your family,

(20:25):
your mother like that to make me like I just
used to have to just get money to my mama,
just like thinking about that type of you know what
I'm saying, Like I retire my mom when I was
sixteen years old, bro literally and they put a lot
of pressure on me. I told my mama stopped working
when I was sixteen.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
She never worked.

Speaker 15 (20:41):
Since I been taking care of her, my aunties, my
whole family since I was sixteen.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
That's a lot of pressure. I had a.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Pressure, a lot of pressure.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
Now you're the meat meal for a lot of these
younger artists. So what do you show them to show
them that they can do it? What do you do different?
So because you know, you got a lot of kids
watching me and they want to be Raba for sure.

Speaker 15 (21:00):
Like for me, it's I just try to like what's
the word, like, you gotta like show them's like like
what me did for real, like tangible. You just gotta
showing Like I like the thing with me that I
feel like make a difference a lot is I let
people see me in a physical like you gotta see it,
like have conversations like seeing this, believing you feel what
I'm saying, Like you know you could do this when

(21:21):
you could actually get in front of somebody like me.
Growing up, I never seen nobody that I looked up to,
and I wanted to be like in front of me
talking to me. You know what I'm saying, Like I
just had to have a man power, like I could
do it. I'm gonna do it. You feel what I'm saying.
And it happened for me. And when I got a
certain age like nineteen twenty eight, like those ages when

(21:43):
I started traveling and having conversations with people that I
looked up to, But like fourteen fifteen, sixteen, them years
really matter where Like you know what I'm saying, I
try to be the person where I just go back
and do certain things and go touch the community, and
you know what I'm saying, tell them that they could
really make it, Like this is nothing for real, Li,

(22:04):
But like you and I ain't gonna say it's nothing
like it's it's a task.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
For sure, it's hard, but it's easy at the same time.

Speaker 15 (22:12):
All you gotta do is wake up and strive to
go get it and want to do it and believe
that you could do it. You just got to have
a vision, you feel what I'm saying, Like, And and
when I go look at like these kids and be
going to talk and have conversations, like they got the
same power that I got, Like they really got.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Something in them. They just don't think it's possible.

Speaker 15 (22:31):
This is really possible, like they when you wake up
and all you got is this four block radius and
your hood and that you're dealing with every day, you
think that's your life, but it's like it's so much
outside of that.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
All you gotta know is how to break that cycle.

Speaker 15 (22:46):
And you fee what I'm saying, Like, that's that's the
thing with me, Like I feel like that's what make
a difference in.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Why people like believe in me because I try. I
let them touch me. I let them. You know what
I'm saying, Pauls Like, you know what I'm saying. I
go see the people.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
I'm thinking about something now.

Speaker 9 (23:02):
And you made me think about it when you said
you've been rapping since you was nineteen, because I can
remember like your first six sixteen, I.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Can remember your first early breakfast club interviews.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Right.

Speaker 9 (23:11):
But then it started getting me thinking about all of
these artists we've seen from Chicago that have come through
come through here the past fifteen years. You talk about
what's possible. Man, you are proof that's surviving as possible. Yeah,
chief keepers, proof that's surviving.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Is sure, so so definitely know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
People like Dirk that's locked up, and people like Bond
that's no longer here, plenty of other artists we probably
interview from Chicago.

Speaker 8 (23:32):
How does that feel?

Speaker 4 (23:33):
It feel great? Man?

Speaker 15 (23:34):
You know, And I'm gonna say this again, I'm gonna
shall make out real quick because he just told me
the other day, and it feel different. It's a different
feeling than him saying It's like he's like, man, want
you the chosen one. It's certain things that just affect
you differently, you know what I'm saying. And I learned
that from the streets, like I didn't bump my head

(23:55):
so many times and did so much and been arrested
and fell off and came back or whatever the case
may be.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (24:02):
It's like when you do certain things, God just punish
you differently because you can't get.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Away with that, you knowe what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (24:08):
Like you would think you would see somebody else doing it, like,
oh he did it, and you can't do that because
God got a different path for you. And surviving in Chicago,
just making it out of the streets alone is a blessing.
Like it's literally like I'd be seeing some of my
homies and certain people that just like but and I
understand it. Other people don't get it, Like it's certain

(24:30):
people where you just like you just like wash your
hands with everything. I know certain that was real menaces
in the streets that don't do nothing but just be
at home with the girl and their kids now because
they just want peace. Like damn, I made it out there.
I can't believe I'm still alive. Like a lot of
people never experience life to that capacity where they just

(24:51):
grateful that they're alive, that they still here, you know
what I'm saying. And it's a lot of people when
it comes surviving, you gotta make decisions and it got
to be calculated. And it's a lot of people that's
just raised off survival or you.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Will do anything.

Speaker 15 (25:05):
It's a difference like when you survive and you just
raised off survival. Like I'm trying to explain that with
Like it's certain people where if you just like survival
is your first instinct, you would do anything.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
You would kill your closest friend, you.

Speaker 15 (25:21):
A snitch, rob steal from your mama, your grandma, And
you gotta understand this, like it's just life. It's certain
people who don't know nothing else. They was raised off
of survival. They mother and father raised them off of survivals.
So it's like a lot of people don't understand that,
you know what I'm saying. It's just me being here today.

(25:42):
I try to like I think that's one of the
reasons why, like I probably got took advantage of so
much because I understand both sides of the fence, and
I try to get everybody the benefit of the doubt.
You know what I'm saying, like I try to like
think about putting myself in other people shoot before I
make a decision, you know what I'm saying, Like I

(26:02):
always before I do anything, I always think about the consequences, repercussions, everything.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
So if I do.

Speaker 15 (26:09):
Something to anybody or do anything, I thought about it
so many times, I'm comfortable with have it play out,
you know what I'm saying, And like you like, it's
only certain people that think like that, especially in life
and coming from Chicago, you gotta think about both sides
of the fence. The it's certain people that think a lot,
and it's certain people that don't think at all. You
feel me, And it's a blessing to be here for sure,

(26:32):
for sure, because I've seen a lot. I experienced a lot.
I've seen a lot of death. And I just come
from one of the toughest neighborhoods in Chicago, like one
of the most poverty struck in neighborhoods. Whereas like I
was a kid and people used to like a lady
walked out. I think I said this before on a
breakfast club interview when I was when I was in short,
like a lady walked up on me. I'm waiting on

(26:53):
my mom. She coming from the laundromat. A lady walked
up on me, like, you got some C. I'm like what.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
I'm like what. She's like, you got some C?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
She asks for crack. I'm like nine years old.

Speaker 15 (27:07):
I'm like nineteen, wait on my mama to come in
the house, like you got some See, I'm like what. Yeah,
she asked me if I had cracked literally a kid
three in the morning. I'm outside because that's now your
selling crack for real?

Speaker 8 (27:19):
For real? Like when did you get something.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
That's the statute of limitations with this career, like some crack,
it's a statute of limitations for sure.

Speaker 9 (27:34):
That therapeutic was this album in regards to your grieving process,
because I hear you mentioned your brother a lot, especially
on Give It All.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
How did that help?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
I ain't gonna lie that I've been dealing with def sis.

Speaker 15 (27:45):
I was a kid, bro like I lost I started
losing friends when I was like fourteen years old, you know, like,
and I'm talking about that, I'm touching on that my
and my my project, but you got to really like realize,
I'm thirty years ars old.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I've been losing people.

Speaker 15 (28:01):
I love for fifteen years and still managing to wake
up and make it happen and beg herbo and take
pictures and smile for the fans, Like I really didn't
lost some of my best friends and had to go
do a show that same day. You feel what I'm saying,
Like my homie Cap died twenty fifteen, I had to
perform in front of ten thousand people. I just had

(28:23):
to find an emmy. A lot of people can't do that.
A lot of people like man, I just lost my
homie fishing to go spind like I wanted to go
do the show. So it's like, I feel like I'm
really destined for this. Chose my own destiny. I chose
my own path. And I'm saying that like for me,
they experience all of that death and feel like I
was numb to it. When my little brother died, it

(28:45):
changed my life. That was some of the worst pain
that I ever felt in my life ever. I could
never I never could faden like and I'm on street,
like when I wake out, when I walk out the house,
I feel like I'm gonna die, Like you know, like
I really feel like that.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
And that's what get me home.

Speaker 15 (29:03):
You feel what I'm saying, like every step, every move
that I take is calculated. And I never felt like
he was gonna die. You know what I'm saying, Like, no, boys,
I never ever think like him. Hell No, I just
I never thought he was gonna die. Every day I
wake out, wake up, I really feel like I'm gonna die.
I feel like somebody would do something to me. And
that's just the life I live. And that's just you.

Speaker 12 (29:24):
Still feel like that, cause I remember the last day
you said you feel like that. You said you were
going to therapy to help you, and it helped me.

Speaker 8 (29:30):
With it, helped me with it.

Speaker 15 (29:32):
But like, nah, hell no, And I'm glad that even
going through therapy and like growing and healing the way
that I've healed in my life, I'm kind of glad
that I never lost their edge for real, because that's
how I protect myself, That's how I protect my children,
That's how I make sure I get back home. You
feel what I'm saying, Like, I'm not out here thuging,

(29:53):
I ain't wild and I ain't doing no crazy. Some
days I leave the house and it just be just
me by myself, no security, nothing.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
But I I'm still on point.

Speaker 15 (30:01):
I'm still watching my back, I'm still aware of my surroundings,
you feel I'm saying. So it's like I'm glad that
I never lost that edge real real and when like
going back to what you know what I'm saying. What
you said, Shla Mane. Like when I when my little
brother died, I lost myself, Like I became an alcoholic,
like a badass alcoholic. I never used to drink bro
I used to drink a fifth of liquor every single day,

(30:24):
like every day by myself, like, and my girl was
pregnant when he died, you feel me, like, and I
was like I was trying to like not be that
weak around her, you feel me because she she know
I didn't been through like she didn't been around me,
and I didn't lost homies, you fe what I'm saying. Like,
and she used to like say, like snap out of it,

(30:47):
like you feel me like she used to like say it,
but it's like I can't.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
It was just so hard for me.

Speaker 15 (30:51):
I really couldn't for real, Like I used to have
to leave the house just to go cry, like swear
to God, like just go get in the con just
cry for a hour straight because I ain't want to
do that in front of her, and I felt like
I should have.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
I should have, I should have, but I was like,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
I just And when she said snap out of it,
what does she mean, like not.

Speaker 15 (31:11):
Snap out of the grief, snap out of the healing,
snap out of the crashing out like drinking, drinking every
day and wanting to go to the club and just
feel something, because I really can't feel nothing, you know
what I'm saying. Like that was like that's what she
used to tell me to snap out of and it
was like it was hard, man, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 9 (31:28):
I want to go back to one thing you said
in regards to how you react to death, because you know,
staying busy as a response to trauma, right, and we
saw that in real time. If you don't mind me
bringing this up, like like people don't know to day
your father passed, God bless it came in you was
scheduled to do a breakfast club interview.

Speaker 8 (31:47):
You came in the studio and.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Still wanted to do it, like bro go home, like.

Speaker 8 (31:51):
What some of it?

Speaker 15 (31:53):
And I love you forever for that because I really
was hit her do that. And it's like that's the thing.
Like I'm so used to deaf and used to just
like I didn't even process it for real, like I
came here because it's like I really was in my
head trying to forget that my dad is dead. But
I gotta like understand it. I gotta know, like, yeah,
my PAP's just dad today. I need to process that.

(32:14):
Like and you.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Had just got the news while you was in the car.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
On the way.

Speaker 15 (32:19):
Yeah, my dad was in the hospital. I knew he
was sick, and I found out he died, and I
just came here.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
I don't know. I just like I don't even like
you know what, go home?

Speaker 8 (32:31):
What are you doing?

Speaker 15 (32:32):
Like we're not doing Yeah no you told me, like bro,
just go home, Like just leave bro for real for
real the rest of that day, Like.

Speaker 14 (32:38):
What did you do? Did you reflect on it? Were
you afraid to even?

Speaker 4 (32:42):
I was afraid?

Speaker 15 (32:43):
I was afraid because like when you lose a parent,
that's different real real my dad.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Like I didn't. I didn't have an absent.

Speaker 15 (32:49):
Father, like my father been living with me my entire life,
Like my mother and my dad been together forty years
for real for real, Like and I think I was
just trying to like not feel it, like not processing,
like you know what I'm saying. I was just like,
all right, man, let me just do it, and like
that's the that's the problem, Like that's the thing, like
you feel like, all right, let me just do it

(33:09):
and push through this and this is my job, this
is my life, Like you gotta put that to the side.
Sometimes when you're going through things like that, you feel
what I'm saying. And the rest of that day for
me was really just like I was scared, like I
ain't want to call my mama. I didn't want to
talk to my sister. It took me so long and
it just asked, my sister, are you okay?

Speaker 4 (33:27):
How you doing? It was super hard? Okay?

Speaker 15 (33:30):
Like I was scared to like had them conversations with her,
like how you feeling?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
You know what I'm saying that even.

Speaker 15 (33:35):
My mom, like I keep my mom close to me,
and my mom like this you feel me and I know.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
It, like I could see it.

Speaker 15 (33:42):
I know she was not okay, And I used to
avoid them conversations you feel what I'm saying, Like she
would bring stuff up and like send me pictures and
all that.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
It was. It was like i'd have been in therapy.

Speaker 15 (33:54):
I'm a person that's not like shy from my emotions,
like I'm intune my emotions all of that. But just
like it was hard because like for me, just I
just thought he hit more time, like I just wanted
him to be here. So I wasn't trying to like
live in reality because I'm still I was still grieving
my little brother Da, you feel what I'm saying, Like,
so when that happened, it was just like I didn't

(34:15):
want to believe that my dad was dead because I
be on the road. Sometimes I go eight months without
seeing my pops. So it's like you feel me, like
eight nine months without seeing him at all. Sometimes I
go months without talking to him. So I was trying
to like tap into that, like you feel me, like,
let me just get in that mentality like he like
he here, but you know what I'm saying, but he

(34:36):
my pops.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Really, Like that's crazy.

Speaker 15 (34:39):
I think about that every day, like man really died
on me, And it's crazy, Like I pray every day,
like I pray so much because my pops, my last
conversation with him.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
My dad died the day after his.

Speaker 15 (34:50):
Birthday, Like my birthday October eighth, my dad birthday October sixteenth.
He died on seventeen and my last conversation with him,
I called him, I said every birthday.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
I said, man, you're on your way. Boy, you're getting old.
You're getting old?

Speaker 6 (35:03):
What?

Speaker 4 (35:04):
And he died Like that was the last thing I
said to my pops, like boy, on your way. Boy,
you about to be setting me.

Speaker 15 (35:10):
You know what I'm saying, Like you're getting old. Stop
getting old?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
In a dream like you said that I was on
my way.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, I hope So I want him to. Now he
haven't chat. I want him to. I hope he.

Speaker 15 (35:23):
I hope he's telling me that the night Like that
give me a lot of comfort for real, real, Like.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
Is it hard to write about? I mean, like I said,
you write about your brother now? Yeah, but past three
years ago? Five okay five years?

Speaker 8 (35:35):
So is it hard? It's hard to put that on
paper right.

Speaker 15 (35:38):
Now in a way like only like I'll just like
for sure, like in a way I just rap about
like my pop's passing. I never like I didn't got
all the way, like I didn't made songs like paying
homage to.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
My brother, like give it all that songs about my
brother and.

Speaker 15 (35:55):
Made songs just talking about how I felt that day,
like I didn't made multiple songs about my brother die
like I ain't did that for my pop shit. All
I said on Wax for Real is just like my
dad did, Like I never spoke about the emotions how
I felt, none of that.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
So yeah, it is definitely tough because.

Speaker 15 (36:11):
I don't know I feel like mentally or just where
I'm met in life, like I ain't been able to
tap into that pain.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
We want to get into something for that. What you
want to hear that?

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Man, Let's play give it out. That's one of my
favorite songs.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
We appreciate you for joining us.

Speaker 12 (36:27):
Brother the pick up her ABO album this week seeing
her and it's the breakfast Club.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Good morning, everybody being just Hilarie Chelamine the guy.

Speaker 12 (36:35):
We are the breakfast club Longa Roses here as well.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
We got a special guest in the building. Indeed number
one record. The record is flying on the Chelsea Player
What every.

Speaker 12 (36:44):
Hour on the hour, damn one of my wife's favorite
record Right now, ladies and gentlemen, Klan welcome guy.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
I'm really good.

Speaker 8 (36:52):
I have blessed black night. How your energy it's good?

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Can I tell you guys something before we started.

Speaker 16 (36:57):
Of course, it's very important that during this era of
my life, if I let everyone know that my name
is pronounced ka.

Speaker 13 (37:02):
Lannie kise you guys say, I.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
Always say ka, good morning morning.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
I'm really good.

Speaker 13 (37:15):
This might be like a stupid question, but like, why
this right right now? Why have you been correcting people?

Speaker 5 (37:20):
You know what? I feel like I have here and there,
But then like it just blows under, like nobody cares.
Everybody just says how they want to say. It's not
that big of a deal.

Speaker 16 (37:27):
I have family members who say, Kilanie got you. But
you know, I'm like, I'm thirty now I'm feeling a
little like, let's just get you know, it's been ten years.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Don't say my name wrong.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
For ten years.

Speaker 8 (37:38):
You know, we all like to create safe spaces for ourselves.

Speaker 9 (37:41):
Yeah, I don't think you can create a safe space
of people calling you out your wrown name, because I
think if I was doing an interview and somebody said
Kilani and the whole interview, I think I should have
corrected them.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
I should have corrected. I should have corrected.

Speaker 16 (37:50):
But no one wants to be that person as like
sour as the moment it's like by the way scratch that.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
You know, well, here we are now now you guys know.

Speaker 12 (37:59):
Yes, Kaylyn, how does it feel fold the number one?
How is that feeling?

Speaker 16 (38:03):
It feels really good. It's been a long time coming.
I've been getting told for the last eight years of
my life. You know, you're always one song away. You're
one song away or one song away, we see it
for you. And so to have the song and everything
be changing in this way, it's really nice.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Did you know that was the record when y'all did it?
Did you know that was gonna be it?

Speaker 9 (38:20):
No?

Speaker 16 (38:20):
It was the most accidental thing in the world that
even making it was accidental, came about accidentally. I'm in
la I get a call to come finish this feature.
But the guy's like, I'm out to go on this
massive tour, like, so you have to come finish it
with me in person. Bring the producers, Come to Miami,
Bring the producers. We go to Miami and for two
days we just can't figure out this song that we're

(38:41):
supposed to finish, and we don't want we didn't want
to waste the time, so we went to a studio
house with Don Mills, who actually plays a guitar on the.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Song, and Dre Harris came and the.

Speaker 16 (38:52):
First be he played was the folded beat from his
boy DK the Punisher, and I bring it in the
other room and I just keep singing this hook and
everybody's like, that's really cool, build on it.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
And we stayed there for a week.

Speaker 16 (39:02):
But every single day after, you know, we made that song,
it'd be the one song from the like the camp
that we just kept replaying. And I hit my label
and I was like, I don't know, like, I know
you guys are looking for what is it?

Speaker 5 (39:14):
It's like as a Juni or July at this time.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 16 (39:16):
I know you guys are looking for like the club single,
the banger. This is not that, Like, this isn't really
song of the summer. I don't but this feels like
an introduction to like where I my mentally musically, my
you know, maturation in my like my sonic journey. And
let me just tease it, like, let me put it out.
You guys don't have to, you know, don't freak out.
But it feels good and it just kind of like

(39:39):
took its own life, and there we are.

Speaker 9 (39:40):
There's a lot of emotional intelligence to fold a man's
clothes and tell him come get him instead of throwing them.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
All over the lung.

Speaker 16 (39:47):
Well, I mean, I'm definitely not volding a man's clothes.
Oh well, anyone's close. Yeah, But I think it's a
very nuanced perspective, and I'm watching a lot of people
be on this, you know, really extreme side of it,
either like Carolin is way better than me. You're clothes
with being a trash can, or.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Believe I'm not taking time.

Speaker 16 (40:06):
For that right, or they're like, yeah, I'm folding instantly,
I'm folding and closed and asked who cares if they
did wrong?

Speaker 5 (40:11):
In the song, I verbatim.

Speaker 16 (40:12):
Say like I probably should have asked for space, but
I kind of told you to walk away, which means
I probably jumped the gun and I overreacted, And I
need to express to you that you did hurt me,
but also maybe.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Come over so we can talk about it.

Speaker 16 (40:24):
So it's more of like a nuance mature conversation existing
that's kind of like, both, you did hurt me, but
we also need to speak and I also might have not.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
You know, handled this the right way.

Speaker 16 (40:35):
And let's just get in the same place and get
in each other's face and come talk about it.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
I'm gonna use your clothes as bait.

Speaker 9 (40:40):
I like that accountability, Yeah, nohall, you're choosing vulnerability over
wearing emotional armor.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 8 (40:48):
So what shifted in your real life that allowed that change?

Speaker 16 (40:51):
I think something happens when you you know you're turning thirty.
I mean, astrologically, something madeor happens, you go through a
side and return and outside of that, I just I've
been through a lot in the last couple of years.
I've really spent, you know, making the changes I needed
to make. I know, I saw you guys last time.
We talked about mental health and all those you know,
it's been a year since then. I think when I

(41:12):
came to you guys last time, I was a week
into being diagnosed. I just started medication. I'm not a
year into like that journey. Very settled in, very in
my routine, very very healthy, and being able to assess
myself and assess my situations and you know, just be
on top of my stuff. Honestly, that allowed me to
be able to come to a place to write from

(41:33):
the perspective I'm able to write from now.

Speaker 12 (41:34):
Were you ever on the other side, meaning where you
have the person to throw the clothes in the bag
and then throw the clothes out the window.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
For sure.

Speaker 16 (41:42):
First Yeah, I've been like a twenty five year old
girl before. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 13 (41:47):
What has your journey been like since you said last
time they saw you it was like first week of Yeah,
you know, what has your personal journey been like? You know,
using your medicines now and kind of understanding you know
your body and your mental that does that up and
down or consistency been like it hasn't been different for you?

Speaker 16 (42:03):
Yeah, I mean bipolar disorder is a really layered thing.
That also, because it's so stigmatized in the world and
there's so many jokes about it that I think people
get really confused. You know, they think, Okay, I woke
up with an attitude and then later on I felt
better than I had attitude again, so I'm bipolar.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
It's a way bigger, deeper thing than that.

Speaker 16 (42:21):
And I think medicine at my therapy journey gave me
the opportunity to have thought applied to my mood and
thought applied to situations when you know, other wh like
in other ways, I wouldn't have had the thought I
would have just felt it and it would have just left,
and next thing you know, there's episodical things happening, and
next thing you know, I'm just gone with the wind.

(42:42):
But this, I wouldn't say it stops it completely, but
it really allows you to have a process. And I
think that that's been the biggest difference is I have
so much, so much option for process now, and I
can go through these things and take them slowly and
think about them and like have a second where I'm like,
you know, I have the tools now. I have a

(43:03):
tool belt of things I can apply, Like do I
go this way? Do I take a walk?

Speaker 5 (43:07):
Do I like?

Speaker 16 (43:07):
This is not the reaction that I want to This
is not the version of myself that I want to
show up in this situation.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
So things like that, I think I would.

Speaker 12 (43:14):
Say it's difficult being vulnerable, right for a artists, How
difficult is that because it's showing a side of yourself
that I'm sure you think that maybe people are laugh
But then on the other side, I'm sure as a
side that says, there's so many people dealing with it.
And I love the fact artists are doing more. We've
seen it with Gucci the same thing. So when did
you realize I could be that vulnerable? And was it
a hard line to draw to be like, do I
want to be this vulnerable? Do I want to share

(43:36):
this experience?

Speaker 16 (43:37):
I think I've always been messally vulnerable. But I grew
up in front of the world. You know, everybody's been
seeing me doing interviews like this since I was nineteen
years old, and I think when you're viewing it on
the outside, it you kind of timestamp people like artists
get timestamped and whatever version of themselves stuck out to
the fan. So there's people who still view me as

(43:59):
something I went when I was twenty four, and like
that's who they'll see me as forever. And when you're
twenty four at that time, you're also confidently speaking in
these interviews because you're like, this is who I am
right now, and I get it.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Then ten years later you're.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Like, oh my god, I don't know who that person.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
I mean, hasn't been ten years for me.

Speaker 16 (44:13):
But I'm thirty now and I'm looking back at things
I said when I was twenty four to twenty five,
even twenty seven, and I'm like, yikes, even a year
ago I'm like, okay, like growth, I'm different now.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
It's good though, you have your self awareness that.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Was supposed to go.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
Yeah, you know this haves to feel good to you too.

Speaker 9 (44:29):
The success of folded because vocally you were one of
the first artists I saw publicly showing support for Palestine,
and I mean you spoke out when a lot of
people weren't. I know, you lost shows because of it,
you were barred from things. How does it feel having
this success and you have it for being on the
right side of history.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (44:46):
I think if we have the courage to do things,
and then so we see people have success after doing
the things that we deem scary, we might be more
courageous to do them.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
And I think it's important.

Speaker 16 (44:57):
That other artists see that I've been able to thrive
after all those things happen. I mean there's still things
that I will never be allowed to do, or things
that are not getting picked up or oh yeah, for sure,
it probably forever. I don't think people realize how deep
it goes. I didn't even at the time realize how
deep it goes. Also, to be really frank, I was
incredibly manic, so a lot of the routes that I went,

(45:19):
the yelling and the if all you guys, if you
guys don't understand, and da da dad, and you know what,
have my team could go if y'all don't speak, just
these different routes versus like, hey, let me calm down
and be strategic about this, because in every single movement,
in every single political, yeah, movement across the board, there's
more strategy involved in the way that you communicated, the
way that you choose to organize the things that you
engage with, And at the time, I didn't really have

(45:40):
those resources to think in that way. So yeah, there's
still things that I'm experiencing that I probably will experience
for a really long time. But I think this other
side of it is speaking to the fact that when
there's great music, there's great music, and when people love
the music and they love the art, then you can't
really be taken out in that way.

Speaker 9 (46:00):
And I'm a stern believe it that you should always
move off strategy over emotion, but you can understand the
emotion when you're yes, it's so understand well.

Speaker 16 (46:07):
I was so much grace for how I handled it
because I was really just passionate and upset.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
I was angry. We should have all been angry.

Speaker 16 (46:13):
It was really terrible to watch and treacherous to feel
some kind of like a part of because like our
country is such a big part of it. But I
definitely wish that I was able to call myself to
be smarter about the way that I went about it
for my own sake and for being a leader in
front of a camera for other people.

Speaker 12 (46:31):
And how do you feel when other artists don't speak
about it when they have the opportunity do you look?
How does that feel to you? Because you jumped out
the window and yeah, you got banned from things.

Speaker 16 (46:39):
And I think it's really easy to say, like I
want to be very clear with my words, Like it
is really easy to say that I hate them for
it or.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
I really blame them.

Speaker 16 (46:52):
But after experiencing everything I went through, which went way
deeper than just being banned from things that you know,
got into my safety, my family dynamic, my friendships, I
had to move. It put me into a really bad
paranoia every time I left the house. Was everybody out
to get me? And did I need security to sit
in front of my house? And was anybody plotting on me?

(47:12):
And the death threats I got at my show was
like highly organized, typed out, detailed death threats. It's easy
to say like that shouldn't matter because we should all be,
you know, up in arms, and part of me is like, yeah,
we should. But also I wish there was it wasn't
so sinister, like the lashings behind the scene. I wish
it wasn't so sinister, and I wish it wasn't something.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
To be afraid of.

Speaker 16 (47:36):
I think if we all spoken numbers and there was
so many of us, it wouldn't be so easy to
just come after one person. I think when you leave
it to be one or two people, it's easy to
just get them out of here. We've seen it historically.
But if it's a lot of people, who can they
get there's a bunch of us.

Speaker 9 (47:51):
Didn't make you speak out even more because you did
it the Red Carpet on the AMAS, you voiced support
for Palistine, So when you were getting back lives behind
the scenes, you like, now I'm gonna go out there
even more.

Speaker 16 (48:01):
I just like I was like, I'm already here, Like
I'm already experiencing everything I'm experiencing, and it hasn't.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Stopped like it hasn't stopped.

Speaker 16 (48:10):
Like it's still you know, cease fire and all still
hasn't stopped. And if even if you know, the genocide
itself does stop, there's a much larger thing at hand there,
which is, you know, ending the apartheid. So I don't know,
I don't think it was ever like an intentional I'm
gonna choose to speak. I was asked a question on
the carpet, and I answered it, and my stance remains

(48:31):
the same.

Speaker 9 (48:31):
So yeah, it's just interesting that you would still be
getting back because even the U and Chief said there
are strong reasons to believe that war crimes have been committed.

Speaker 16 (48:39):
Yeah, but we're dealing we're dealing with a very delusional
other side. It's a very delusional side where you have
shown videos and you've shown facts and they've seen things,
and the response is literally, that's not even real, Like
y'all made this up, you know, like you kind of
At some point I have to be like, Okay, there's
a game here, and I'm gonna play this game with

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you guys, because you know what you're doing, I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna play it.

Speaker 13 (49:03):
I saw the comments about you know, you speaking out
on ice and them going into schools and things, and
I know you're a mom, yeah as well, But like,
has there have you experienced any similar pushback from the
other side or wherever because of those comments?

Speaker 5 (49:17):
No? Yeah, yeah, Zionism is a much.

Speaker 16 (49:21):
Larger, deeper, darker, sinister thing than good old regular American racism,
even though they're very intertwined and they walk hand in
hand with each other a little bit. But yeah, no,
I haven't experienced any pushback from that. I think we're
all more comfortable talking about that in general than you know,
anything else.

Speaker 12 (49:40):
So I was going to ask, you know, we also
see you speak out about AI in the industry, and
the crazy part about it is I agree with you,
but I think it's crazy for an artist. We had
Tank and they they were talking about they think it's
a good thing and that you know, artists and the
industry needs to adapt to it.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I think it kind of hurts.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
The fact of.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
The creativity is better than kline.

Speaker 12 (50:04):
You're executive, right, Yes, would you have a sign an
artist that you got to deal with makeup, hair, manages, security,
all that, or AI person that you ain't got to
deal with nothing?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
You cut a check and just let the money come.

Speaker 15 (50:16):
If you tell me that person you just said, it's Kayline,
I'm taking kaylany Worth.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
They're going to see her. Drive're going to see how
hard she goes in.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Oh, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 16 (50:29):
I think there's so many layers to it. One we're
gonna put out there that you know, it's not good
for the environment. It's affecting communities everywhere, but especially disparage
Black communities in Americas. Messing with the waters, messing with
the air like it's gonna make people sick in the
long run. We move on from that and get into
all these aspects of music that are being in jobs.

(50:52):
Let's forget music, right. I'm speaking to music because I'm
being asked about music, you know, but I'm not. I
think there's a much larger thing of like all these
little jobs that people are employed to do that is
keeping their families going, that is literally feeding everyone around them,
are just gone and we don't realize we're training, you know,
these systems to do those things.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
There's things that I understand.

Speaker 16 (51:14):
I think I was told about how it is working
for surgeries, Like these robots are helping in surgery, you know,
more precise surgeries. And then there's you know, like the
disabled community and being able to get things.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Done in that way.

Speaker 16 (51:30):
And I've experienced producers and writers be stuck on something
and use it to help or like finish something and
then get it replayed or get it remade, And like,
those aren't exactly things that I'm super mad about, Like
I'm not going to bark at them the same way,
but overall as a whole, but.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
A fake person, a fake art, as a fake singer.

Speaker 16 (51:49):
It's just unfortunate because I think music is such a
God given thing. It's it's it's the highest gift, you know,
God gave to Earth, is used in every single religion
across the board to connect with God.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
It's it's it's a very power, powerful thing.

Speaker 16 (52:01):
And for it to be generated in that way and
also be what it's what it's using to be generated
is a combination of real people's stories and real people's
voices and real people's feelings and emotion. And for all
that to happen even deeper than oh, it's going to
take our jobs because there's this sensationalized sentence of mind
that's like why do I have to compete with a computer?

(52:22):
But it's not about competing. It's more like, this is
a disruption of something that God gave us, you know
what I mean, And that feels wrong to me. Like
it's music is such a it comes from here, it's
given here, and to have that generated through a computer
just feels like.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
It just feels wrong.

Speaker 9 (52:40):
I like this argument, Kline. I like this because I
feel the same way. It is a download from God
downloaded from a computer. But you not have you know,
they have Jesus Ai. You can log on and have
meaningful conversations with Jesus.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
And Jesus a message and then yeah, that a biblical verse.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
I think it's going to go so far. I think
it's going to go so far.

Speaker 16 (53:02):
I don't think people are thinking about the negative implications,
like being able to be framed for things, being able
to have images creative of your children that are inappropriate,
that lives on people's computers and they can do whatever
they want to it. When you wake up one day
and somebody has a sex tape of you that never happened,

(53:22):
if they.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
Can make that's happening now.

Speaker 16 (53:24):
Oh have you heard about the people getting the phone calls?

Speaker 8 (53:29):
They call you and you hear your kids and somebody.

Speaker 16 (53:31):
I need an X amount of money because my kid
got kidding, Like, I don't think people are It's just
cute and fun and games now and you want to
make videos of Malcolm X eating and seafood boil with
Martin Luther King and and Michael Jackson and Prince have
an argument about whose funeral was more lit.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Like I've seen them all. You know it's it's But
there comes.

Speaker 16 (53:48):
A point when you have to realize that where there's
always light and fun, there's always going to be the
extreme of that existing somewhere that we can't access it.
And I also think something is real sinister about the
White House using so much AI.

Speaker 8 (54:02):
Oh, this election is gonna be crazy.

Speaker 16 (54:03):
Yeah, it's gonna be nice. How are they going to
be able to say anything was real or false?

Speaker 13 (54:07):
What do you say to the people, because I know
one of the conversations that you were having was specifically
about the three million dollar deal, the reported three million
dollars that Zanya the AI, the thing I don't even
know how to comput.

Speaker 17 (54:20):
Yeah, the artist that I am on a guide right.

Speaker 13 (54:23):
There are people that will say all of that is true,
but there's good and bad with everything. But on the
other hand, you have this black woman who is using
her poetry to write lyrics, and now it's three million
dollars wealthier and able to do for her family and
stuff like that.

Speaker 16 (54:34):
I mean, I said, even in the times I've spoken
about her, I'm not I'm not mad at her ability
to have done that for herself. I think it's dishonest
the way we're speaking about it, because I think it's
a very interesting thing to be responding to particular comments
and saying certain things but not telling the truth.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
Tell the truth. You wrote a couple of lines, just
said a couple of words.

Speaker 16 (54:56):
Then you framed I might want it to sound like this,
and go like this, and take from this and make
it sound like this, and make it appeal in this
way and make me look like this, and da da da,
and it did all of that. You're doing fifteen percent
of the job. Let's just be honest about what the
fifteen percent of the job is. If you write poetry,
I would love to write with a poet. I've written
with poets before they come in. We write together. I
turn their words into a song. I use my songwriter

(55:17):
brain to apply to their poetry brain, and we make
a really beautiful product. But I'm watching her answer these
questions and I'm watching the lies accumulate and like take
together in her head to try to figure out what
to say. And I'm like, we could just tell the
truth and say what the tool is being used for,
and then maybe it can have its separate charts or
it cannot, because you're right, there is no stopping it.

(55:39):
I could get, you know, for being said it should
have its own charts, but at this point something.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Has to be done with AI artist.

Speaker 9 (55:47):
Yeah, I mean I had created something called a guaranteed human.
I saw that at least we're going to be human,
like the personalities and music. But if one day they
do decide to play AI music, it'll still.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
You know that music.

Speaker 16 (56:01):
Yeah, So yeah, it's less about I want everybody to
feed their.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Families and be successful at the end of the day.
That like, that's my wish.

Speaker 16 (56:09):
If I had one wish in the world, it would
be for everybody to have their needs made.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
So I'm never mad at that.

Speaker 9 (56:14):
I like, just you said tho, because I was going
to ask you, what does authentic music have that AI
generated music could not have? God, Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
I don't I don't. I don't play with things like that.

Speaker 16 (56:26):
You know, it's it's it's it's such a deep thing,
and I feel like not us being able to I
watched the A artists even talk about God is it
is insane, the AI gospel that is insane. I'm looking
in Zenaiamon's Yeah, I'm looking at Zenanaimon's comments and they're saying,
since you're anointed, that's kind of crazy.

Speaker 13 (56:45):
I mean, I'm going to look at the comments right now.
But I will say when I first heard the song,
when everybody was up in arms, I had listened to
the music, and I went and listened and I was like, oh,
this is actually like it's good music.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Because you know what it's doing though.

Speaker 16 (56:57):
It's analyzing the community that she's trying to appeal to,
which means it's studying black women, saying what do black
women want to hear? What perspectives, what type of voices,
what kind of stories, what kind of emotions, and then
accumulating all of that and going, I'm going to give
you a package deal of exactly what you want, even
down to what I look like.

Speaker 8 (57:17):
It's an artificial, annoying, artificial.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
I don't know if that girls, and I don't think
that goes in the same sentence.

Speaker 12 (57:25):
But you know, hey, are you guess the chat GPT
stuff as well.

Speaker 16 (57:29):
I'm against people putting it in place of very human things.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Look, we are entering it makes.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Life easier for a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
It does, and that's and that's the argument it.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Does because kids go to school. You can type in
a pay I have to do a report on this
type and chatgy bet.

Speaker 16 (57:44):
The argument of like people who can't afford English classes
that moved here, I need English classes?

Speaker 5 (57:50):
Is teaching them English?

Speaker 16 (57:51):
Like there are there's always gonna be this thing that's like,
there are things that it is good for, and there
are things that it is bad for outside of you
know what's doing, what it's doing to the environment, But
we become gluttonous with it, and it's there is not regulated, guys.
That's really the problem is that it's not regulated. Did
you not see the moments where people were telling their

(58:12):
or chagbt to cancel itself and then it hops servers
to avoid getting deleted like I robot, yes it hot,
I promise you can look this up right now. It
jumps servers because it didn't want to get if it
can observe all of our emotions, why couldn't it be
able to think of something as sinister as we could
think of and not want to get canceled or not
want to get deleted, or not want to be gone
or want.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
To it's studying us twenty four seven.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
Yeah, it's something.

Speaker 9 (58:36):
I mean, I totally agree with you with the god thing,
because there's something to be in a spiritual being living
in human existence, right, Like we're supposed to make mistakes.

Speaker 8 (58:44):
We're supposed to try and figure things out like us.
Like yeah, through prayer and meditation and just and therapy.

Speaker 17 (58:50):
Community.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Being a community member is really important.

Speaker 16 (58:53):
Talking to people, having other people talk to you back,
sharing experience, messing up together, being held accountable, being called in,
growing and getting applause from other humans, getting love from
other humans. If we're all just going to be alone,
getting all those things from a robot, like we're gonna
stunt ourselves as a world.

Speaker 8 (59:09):
As a species.

Speaker 16 (59:10):
I agree that what happens to love and what happens
to art and what happens to music I just had
I've been having this conversation for weeks, like you know that,
paired with how the Internet's obsessed with destroying each other
and calling and completely ruining people's lives and doing all
these kind of things. We're entering a very individualistic, let's
kill community for people kind of world, Like we're isolating

(59:32):
everyone from every side, technology and each other is becoming
this huge isolation isolation party, and it's really sad.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
How does that make you as a mom?

Speaker 6 (59:40):
Now?

Speaker 12 (59:40):
Because you have a daughter, So how are you raising
your child in this type of world that you just named?

Speaker 8 (59:45):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 (59:45):
Because these other kids when they go to these colleges
and schools, they're going to be using chat, GPT. You know,
these other kids are gonna be using things that necessarily
you don't agree with, you know, So how do you
raise that daughter in this crazy world with information?

Speaker 5 (59:58):
I think I give her all information possible. I don't.
I don't lie to my kid.

Speaker 16 (01:00:02):
I don't, you know, obviously don't just outright tell her
terrible things. But like, you give her all the information
so she knows what's out there, and I tell her
why this, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Agree with this, Why I think this is bad?

Speaker 16 (01:00:12):
Why you know, I'm not gonna say no to this,
but I'm gonna give you another option and explain why
that option is probably the better option to do, and
let her decide. Ultimately, I can't protect her from what
she learns at school and what her friends share and
things like that. But at home, we're very like human focused,
and I'm very communal. Like she's a big extended family.

(01:00:32):
She's a million aunties and uncles and cousins, and she
does a very I have community and people around me
kind of life. She's not sitting in the corner on
her iPad alone all day. That's just not her life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Does she see? How does she feel about the evolved
version of Kailanie?

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Because you said you've.

Speaker 12 (01:00:47):
Changed's six, I don't know between three and six and
four and six.

Speaker 8 (01:00:51):
But like, Mommy's cool now.

Speaker 16 (01:00:54):
I mean I've been her mom the whole time. I've
just been my daughter's mom the whole time. How everyone
to see me is never gonna be how she sees me,
because I'm just her mommy. I always have been, I
always will be. I don't fall apart in front of her.
I don't put it. I don't put her in any
adult situation. And she doesn't have a clue if anything

(01:01:14):
is going on with me. I've just been her happy
mom this whole time. And I take pride in.

Speaker 9 (01:01:18):
That you switching gears. You said Brandy was on your
Mount Rushmore. Yes, who else.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
STEVIEE. Wonder is the head of the Mount Rushmore is?

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
His vocals are just artist.

Speaker 13 (01:01:31):
I think artistreet Okay, okay, okay, And this for everybody,
or you said every artist or every singer should have
this Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 16 (01:01:38):
I think every singer should have different kinds of Mount Rushmore's.
Like I said, she should be on the vocal Mount Rushmore,
but also artistry like in general, but she should be
on everyone's vocal Mount Rushmore one hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Vocal, my vocal Mount Rushmo. Okay, Brandy, i'd Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Can't put them next to each other.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Have a beautiful tour. They're having a beautiful tour, please,
I'm sorry, Yeah, Beyonce Wne Houston.

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
Yeah, definitely what I wanted to make sure it was.

Speaker 16 (01:02:19):
Yeah, I mean that's a lineage, right, there's no Brandy without.

Speaker 8 (01:02:25):
Your last one, Brandy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
I'm gonna Mariah.

Speaker 16 (01:02:29):
Yeah, we're talking about like freaky level like channel talent
of like okay, well, will anybody be able to ever
do that again?

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Type people.

Speaker 12 (01:02:41):
Well, if you want to see Kaylan and she's going
to be performing at our jingle Ball in Miami and
our jingle Ball in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
And we appreciate you for joining us.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Thank you. We always get real deep in here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
One time didn't want to come on and she's like,
I ain't guys, but we got through it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
We were having different conversations then.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Yes, I was looking at us girl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Absolutely, Yeah, it's the breakfast Club. Good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
You make sure you're telling me to watch out for
Florida mid.

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
The craziest people in America come from the Bronx in
all of Florida.

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
Yes, you are a donkey.

Speaker 18 (01:03:17):
A Florida man attacked an ATM for a very strange reason.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
It gave him too much money.

Speaker 17 (01:03:22):
Florida man is arrested after that.

Speaker 19 (01:03:23):
Say he riggs the door to his home in an
attempt to electro hit his president.

Speaker 17 (01:03:26):
Lights police arrested at Orlando man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
We're talking to famudas.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
The breakfast club.

Speaker 12 (01:03:31):
Bitch you donkey other day with Charlamagne to God, I
don't know why y'all keep you letting him get y'all
like this.

Speaker 8 (01:03:36):
No, low duvall, it's not me. It's Florida.

Speaker 9 (01:03:38):
Okay, donkey to Dave goes to a forty eight year
old Florida man named Darius Davis. Okay, Darius Davis is
from Miami. Dave Florida, Okay, dropping the clues bomb from Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Date.

Speaker 9 (01:03:48):
All right, what does y'a uncle y'alla always say about
the great state of Florida?

Speaker 8 (01:03:52):
Say it with me.

Speaker 9 (01:03:53):
The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and
all of Florida, and today is no exception. Okay, so luka,
every black man out there who still has a hairline,
all right, God bless you all.

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
I remember those days of having one.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
And what bothers me the most is I feel like
I got cheated because back in the day, I got
my wig pushed back by a whack barber. Okay, you know,
one of those barbers trying to get that line sharp.
But in the process of them trying to get his sharp,
they just keep pushing.

Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
Your hairline back further and further. Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:04:22):
I really feel like that got me started on the
path the baldness. Okay, that barber snatched my edges, all right.
My hairline never fully recovered from the barber pushing my
hairline back. Okay, every black man out there knows the
pain of getting your hairline pushed back and then finally,
at some point you just say effort, cut it all off. Okay,
we were forced to go bald because a barber pushed

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our hairlines back, all right?

Speaker 8 (01:04:46):
Hashtag tragic.

Speaker 9 (01:04:48):
Now, Darius did something that a lot of men dream
about doing when their hairline gets pushed back, and that's
something is violence. What do you mean violence, Uncle Charlotte. Well,
let's go the local ten news for the report.

Speaker 18 (01:05:00):
Darius Davis is in jail once again after police spent
a few days looking for him following a violent encounter
at a barber shop. Security video from that day shows
Davis walking back into Square Biz with a gun and
threatening the owner, Samuel Wilson. Wilson says this was all
over an issue with Davis's hairline. The barber says he's

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been doing Davis's hair.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
For a while and never had an issue before.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
He wasn't a man.

Speaker 12 (01:05:27):
He had that pistol in his hand, sat in a
he choked me out, got it.

Speaker 18 (01:05:32):
In the video, you can see Davis forced Wilson to
the couch and hit him with the gun. Newly obtained
arrest forms for Davis show police took him into custody
a few days later after a traffic stop. The forty
eight year old was booked into jail before appearing in
bond court over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Multiple times. I did not think he was gonna come
around here and come back.

Speaker 12 (01:05:54):
I thought we might have fisted the cuff, but I
didn't think he was gonna come back with a firearm.

Speaker 18 (01:05:58):
I told him, man, have a good Davis is facing
several charges. The judge set is bond at about thirty
five thousand dollars has since posted it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:08):
First of all, before we continue the story, I want
to say, sleuth, all the barbers out there dropping the
clues bombs.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
For every barber that can hear my.

Speaker 9 (01:06:14):
Voice, say, barbers are pillars in the black community, my brothers,
when you really put it in perspective, there aren't too
many people more.

Speaker 8 (01:06:22):
Important to the black community.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
All right.

Speaker 9 (01:06:23):
Some of y'all don't go to church, but you go
to a barber shop at least twice a week, all right,
So the barber more important than your past.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
All right.

Speaker 9 (01:06:29):
Some of y'all see your Bible more than you see
your doctor, which is a good thing.

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
Because I guess you're healthy.

Speaker 9 (01:06:33):
But once again, your barber is more important to you
than your doctor. Hell, some folks wouldn't even want to
go to the doctor without a haircut.

Speaker 8 (01:06:40):
All right.

Speaker 9 (01:06:40):
The moral of the story is we're gonna stop acting
like barber's aren't a part of our circle of life
for me as spiritual leaders, therapists, barber's doctor, dermatologists, personal trainer.

Speaker 8 (01:06:50):
Okay, what is the moral of the story.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
The moral of the story is barber should be given
the utmost respect at all times unless, and there is
an unless, unless.

Speaker 8 (01:06:59):
There are terrible barber.

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
Okay, no barber deserves violence unless, of course they are terrible.
But even if they are terrible, even if there is
a barber mouthpractice, they don't deserve.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
To get a gun pulled on them, all right. There's
levels to violence.

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
Don't like your fade, then ask for a faide, all right,
But pulling a gun that's too much, all right. Actually
asking for a fist fight or fisticuffs is too much.

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
Okay, you can just say he sucks.

Speaker 9 (01:07:22):
That's worse than actually pulling a gun on someone or
fighting them. Because nobody wants to be the barber in
the shop that nobody goes to That is one of
the most lonely men in the world, you hear me, okay,
And they always fat because they have nothing else to
do but sit there and eat while everybody else on
their feet all day because they got actual clients.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
All right. Now, for the record, most.

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
People wouldn't react to having their headline pushed back in
this way.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
But you always have to know who you playing with.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
Darius is a convicted felon, all right, and he is
a known violent offender. He had an arm robbery charge
in ninety three and ninety eight and burglary with assault
in ninety eight. He did prison time from ninety nine
to two thousand folk and from two thousand and sixty
twenty seventeen. So clearly Darius about all that action, okay,
So anything can set him off. And I don't think
people understand what not having a hairline does to some men.

Speaker 8 (01:08:13):
It can trigger violence, all right.

Speaker 9 (01:08:15):
Some men don't have the head for a bald, and
the thought of them having to get one is infuriating.

Speaker 8 (01:08:21):
I thank god he gave me the.

Speaker 9 (01:08:23):
Kind of skull that looks cool with a bal d okay,
because everyone can't do it and they know it. Everybody
doesn't want to wear the man unit. Okay, everybody doesn't
want to do the painting on hairlines. But they also
know how ridiculous they could look with a bald. Think
about you know how we had to get used to
seeing Steve Harvey with a bald. Took some time for
us to adjust, right, right. Remember Miguel arnmy singer, Miguel

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when he first came out with a baldi, looked ridiculously.

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
Okay, Lebron James couldn't have a bald. Okay, I could
tell by his head shape. Yet another reason he will
never be Michael Joe. Okay, more are some other people
who look ridiculous with a ball these jests? What do
you think? Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:09:06):
Okay, First of all, I'm talking about the name Jess Cindiava.

Speaker 8 (01:09:11):
All right, anyway, I.

Speaker 9 (01:09:12):
Don't know how you've been asking the moral of the
stories when the only thing sharper in the clippers is
your temple trim the attitude, not the argument. Okay, Please
give Darius Davis the sweet sounds of the Hamiltons.

Speaker 20 (01:09:25):
You oh the day, oh the day.

Speaker 14 (01:09:39):
Ye Oh, that's crazy, Miguel head, it was crazy, ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (01:09:47):
Go back and look at Miguel when he first came
out with a ball head and he did it in
the reverse. Usually people start with him, didn't go Miguel
started off ball go back.

Speaker 8 (01:09:58):
And look y'all. Don't remember Miguel when you first game.

Speaker 9 (01:10:00):
Definitely, definitely you don't remember Miguel when you first get money.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
At the ball at Yeah, that was different.

Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
Well that's that was That was all I wanted you, Miguel.
You're playing the dorn he had hereby.

Speaker 10 (01:10:10):
Doing Yeah, nah, that was you know, yeah, that's when
he was boring. Oh wow, Yeah, I'm trying to tell
you getting real eggy around here, you know, yeah, yeah,
yeah wow.

Speaker 19 (01:10:25):
All right, all right, well thank you for that donkey
to day, sir. You said one too many damns when
looking at a man, right, you looked at the man.
You looked at Miguel for thirty seconds and said seven damns.
He ain't need no seven damns because.

Speaker 12 (01:10:40):
There's a bunch of different pictures. All right, anyway, thank
you for that donkey to day, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:10:44):
Yes, which guy's crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Everybody is j N V.

Speaker 12 (01:10:51):
Jesse Larry Charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club
lawl of Roses here as well, and we got a
special guest in the building, Pat Pools.

Speaker 8 (01:10:58):
Pat pooh pooh. What's up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
How you feeling, man?

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
I think it's great.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:11:03):
I see you celebrated your daughter's birthday the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Yeah. I did McDonald's party.

Speaker 21 (01:11:07):
Yeah, she turned seven years old. That's nice, man, beautiful thing. Man,
enjoy they get big fast happen so fast, man, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
So, yeah, it's a blessing.

Speaker 8 (01:11:14):
I feel like you you should have been did bars
on Wheels?

Speaker 22 (01:11:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I did.

Speaker 8 (01:11:19):
That's a fact. That's a fact. What is Balls on Wheels?
First of all?

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
So Balls on Wheels a journey to save hip hop?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Man.

Speaker 21 (01:11:24):
It's me basically taking what I was doing on Instagram
to the next level. I mean so sometimes when I
post the videos and be driving in the car rapping,
some people go into comments and they be like, Okay,
but where's it going.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
So I'm like, you know what.

Speaker 8 (01:11:36):
I want to see?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
There you go? So I want the journey to save
hip hop? You know what I'm saying. So that's that's
the name of the project.

Speaker 16 (01:11:43):
Man.

Speaker 21 (01:11:43):
I didn't want to just do it as an album.
I wanted to do it as a short film and
just do something that was never done before.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
You know, you've always prided yourself on just being a
pure lyricist, and you know everybody likes to do the
melodies and the vibes warding the bars. What do you
think lyric first rappers need to do to stay culturally
relevant without compromising the craft.

Speaker 21 (01:12:02):
I think just be be themselves, man. I think nobody
could do you better than you, you know what I'm saying.
Like you're the only one with your DNA and you
gotta utilize that. Sometimes people try to go outside of
themselves and you cheating yourself because you could have just
been yourself and you never know what the outcome could
have been. So to answer the question is, just be yourself. Man.

Speaker 9 (01:12:19):
So when you write today, are you just trying to
out wrap everybody? Are you just more focused on saying
something meaningful because you've always said meaningful things you want too?

Speaker 21 (01:12:28):
Nah, man, it's just I study the craft. I practice
my craft so long that it comes out like that pause.
You know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to outrap nobody.
It happens naturally, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 13 (01:12:38):
To be honest, now, I know the project is all
about saving hip hop, but at the end of your
visual you basically flip it where it's like, you can't
save hip hop. And one of the things that you
show without giving too much of it is the conversation
around like, you know, the drugs and things that infiltrated
the culture. So first of all, I guess, you know,
obvious question is why would you why include that? And

(01:13:00):
then second question to that is, if we can't save
hip hop, then what's your real mission?

Speaker 8 (01:13:04):
Like how right?

Speaker 21 (01:13:05):
So you know, I think that played a major part
to the demise of about a culture of about hip hop,
you know, the rest in peace to guys like Mac Miller,
young artists who were just dying from drug overdose. I
think all of those things, man, where they glorified us
using drugs and you got kids odean on it. So
I just wanted to shine a light on that and
create awareness to talk about it. And as far as

(01:13:26):
at the ending when I said, you know, can't save them,
you know you gotta watch part two to see the
continue to get the conclusion of that. But that's how
I feel sometimes, man, Like when I say I'm on
a journey up to save hip hop. I'm a part
of the culture, Like I lived this for real, So
anytime I step in front of the microphone, that's my
goal to elevate the game. But it feels helpless sometimes, man,
you know what I'm saying, So.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
How do we change that? Right?

Speaker 12 (01:13:48):
Because of course hip hop took a turn right where
you know, the sellers became the users and that whole thing.
But it was still a place where there was negativity
and hip hop, which kind of hurt hip hop. Right
didn't have to be a DM Brothers getting to jail.
But I felt like there is a strong line of
negative and positive when it comes to it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
You feel like that positive is not being heard anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
It's not even that.

Speaker 21 (01:14:10):
I just feel like, you know, I feel like negative
and positive existing life period. Sometimes people put too much
on hip hop, like they gotta stop and if a
cat getting too much, if a cat gets stuck in
the tree. All these rappers rapping about cats getting stuck
in the trees, This is why this happened, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I feel like people blame hip
hop for things that actually go on in America. America

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has a problem with violence and all that when hip
hop was positive, I've seen negativity going on, so I
don't blame hip hop for those things. Actually, I feel
like hip hop save a lot of lives, you know
what I'm saying. You know how many jobs y'all wouldn't
even be sitting here to hip hop, right, So when
people like to blame hip hop for negative things, you know,
I don't look at it like that. I look at
it like we have those issues living in this country period.

Speaker 9 (01:14:53):
I saw Robin Roberts asked fifty that about the Diddy doc.
She was like, is this an indictment of hip hop
or something like this? What hip hop got to do?

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
It? Nothing right?

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:15:01):
See they always dragging hip if you notice that, and
I think no other genre no. I think part of
the reason why that happened is is because they don't
like that, you know, black billionaires and millionaires are being
made out of it. So I think while we got
our own con putting hip hop down so much, they
need to be away of that.

Speaker 9 (01:15:16):
How is your perspective on the streets change now that
you're you know, older and just more reflective. As soon
as you walk in, and we wanted to remind you
of when you used to put hands on people.

Speaker 8 (01:15:25):
You know that you did. I'm talking about what was
your question? Respective when the streets changed?

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
When when you say street change, what you mean though?

Speaker 9 (01:15:43):
Just being just being an older person can reflect on
you know, how things used to be.

Speaker 8 (01:15:48):
Things glorify, that's the fact. That's the fact.

Speaker 21 (01:15:50):
Yeah, I respect it, man, I respect and I love growth.
I think it's very important. I embrace it. And I'm
all about positivity.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Bro, you know what I'm saying. And you look at me,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 21 (01:16:01):
You see me, Like NB said, I got my history,
but when they really put the light on me, I said,
what black love? Something positive? Man, I don't wear that
the streets on my sleeve. I don't need to, you
know what I'm saying. I always showcase my talent, you
know what I mean, and something positive about uplifting our people.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
So if you could speak to these young men who
idolized the street life, what would you tell them about
the real cost of that year?

Speaker 21 (01:16:23):
I would say, don't do it. It's not worth it,
you know what I'm saying. But I always tell my
young brothers who I see in the street, and I
always try to point this out to them. You know,
look at your look at look around at your crew,
And I got to be honest with them all, y'all
not gonna make it out. You know, I many you
know how many individuals I grow up with us when
I was younger. They're not here no more. I'm sure

(01:16:43):
you got homies like that. They literally lost their lives.
And at the time when y'all was together, y'all was
hanging out, y'all was running in the street, you never
thought that they would be gone. So I always tell them,
you look around, one of y'all or two or maybe three,
y'all not gonna make it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
It might be you.

Speaker 21 (01:16:59):
So if you think that's worth it, continue in the street.
But it's not worth it, bro, So you know, get
out of that.

Speaker 13 (01:17:06):
You mentioned black love earlier. I know Cloris is here
as well, but I wanted to go back to that centuary.
I wanted to go back to that time period because
I feel like, for the longest time, prior to your
relationship now, you and Remy were like the emblem of
like black love positivity, and then everything just switched publicly.
And I know you talk about even in hip hop,

(01:17:28):
like you know how things are thrown on hip hop
and thrown on us negatively when that moment was happening
publicly with you and Remy, What was pap Who's feeling
because it was so positive for so long and it
kind of just changed everything. What were you feeling as
everything started to you know, happened online.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
It was corny. It was corny. It's always corny to
do social media. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (01:17:48):
Who wants that? Who wants to be a part of
the circus? So I just feel like it was corny.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
You got a tack for black love early on.

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
Wow, somebody said it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
We have conversations about what love and why we show.

Speaker 12 (01:18:03):
We had, you know, behind the scenes conversation, but you
got to test for it when you got attacked for
why did you think you got attacked for showing and
expressing love to the individual you were with? Like why
do you think that happened?

Speaker 21 (01:18:14):
And why there's a couple going It's a couple of
different things. So initially when she became incarcerated, they was
killing me. They was like, Yo, hold up, damn nah,
he's an idiot, He's dumb all this book right. I
ain't care though, because that's that was my real life
at the time, and then as it progressed. One time

(01:18:34):
Double Excel that reached out to me and they was like, Yo,
we want to follow you one day and document your journey,
like what's going on with you? And they followed me
to the supermarket. I went and got groceries for her,
you know what I'm saying. Then I went on the visit,
brought the grocery. They set on the visit with me,
and they put out that article. When they put out
that article, it kind of changed. The outlook kind of
changed for a high second. Everybody was like Wow, they

(01:18:54):
couldn't believe it, and it was cool. I kept going.
But what you kind of talking about is we were
love hip hop. Yeah yeah, well you had mixed. It
was mixed, you know what I'm saying. Like the women
were embracing it. But I go through the toll booth
and I go get to do my money because they
ain't have the right. And he'd be like, oh, man,
you've put in my household, man, my woman to.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
Yeah, I need to be more like you. It's just change,
you know what I'm saying. So the dudes was always.

Speaker 21 (01:19:27):
Hating, but the women, older women all different age groups.

Speaker 8 (01:19:31):
They always embraced it.

Speaker 13 (01:19:33):
And then you did your your own spin off, the
Black Love spin off, which you guys have more creative
control over at the time, right, Yeah, So if you
felt like kind of the tide was changing when you
guys got on reality TV, why was it important for
you to do that like second installment?

Speaker 21 (01:19:45):
Because you know, the opportunity was there to show more
of us. You know, when you're on Love and Hip Hop,
you just got like a segment, you know what I'm saying.
So it was just that and people wanted to see
more of us at that time, so we was like,
all right, cool, let's do it. I think we did
the holiday special first and then it went from there.
But going back to what you were saying earlier, like
when I first shot it, I was like, oh, they
about to kill me man when they come out, because

(01:20:05):
people never saw that side of me, you know what
I'm saying. But it was surprisingly people embraced it. I
think the world was tired of seeing our culture getting
put down, drink skinting, thrown on each other, and just
the bad stigma on our relationships, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (01:20:18):
You have ever regretted at all putting that much of
your life on camera.

Speaker 21 (01:20:22):
I don't I don't regret it at all because it
was real. It wasn't like nothing was or hears nothing
was scripted. People just saw what was going on at
that time.

Speaker 12 (01:20:29):
But you know the thing with it is like I
get it, but now people are so dialed into your life,
but now there is no moment where it's like, hold on,
let me figure this out. Because now they're like, naw,
you showed me this. You showed me the baby, you
showed me the one year old party, you showed me that,
you showed me this.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
I love that.

Speaker 12 (01:20:44):
But then when it's like when you say, you know what,
I need to take a break, They're like, nah, you can't.

Speaker 21 (01:20:49):
No, No, I love it. I'll tell you why. See
this is what happens with celebrities. And I kind of
said this before. When it's all good, right, when when
when y'all buying until our careers, y'all watching the TV show,
y'all come into the performances. The parents is the walkthroughs.
I bring you in the room where my daughter is born.
You come to the wedding, you see everything right, okay,

(01:21:11):
And then soon as something happened with these celebrities. What's
the first thing they say, y'all don't know me like that.
Y'all don't know what's going on in my life. Correct,
So I'm glad that I give y'all an open book
so when someone wants to lie in, when you guys
had been there all along, y'all seen this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
So that's all.

Speaker 9 (01:21:26):
Now, there was one thing that came out of that
man and you said you wrote ninety percent of remies rap,
including Conceited.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Was that true?

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
No comment?

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Man.

Speaker 21 (01:21:35):
You know what I'm saying, I wish you the best,
and that's that's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (01:21:39):
Like I said earlier, I never wanted to be a
part of that. But sometimes your hand is falced. You
know what I'm saying. You gotta you gotta do what
you gotta do. But I wish you the best, man,
You know, I mean, I got I got an amazing
best friend in my life right now and we're happy.

Speaker 9 (01:21:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Somebody said, you know that was a depressing media. It
was a hard time because we know y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:22:00):
Over y'all know us. But sometimes people pretend like they
don't know us.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
That's what get on my nerves.

Speaker 17 (01:22:03):
I think from it's like what happened, like m M.

Speaker 21 (01:22:07):
I mean, like I said, y'all was there every step
of the way. Y'all was there when I was riding
up there to the prison. Y'all seen me fighting court officers,
getting thrown out of the court room.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
It was.

Speaker 21 (01:22:18):
It was in the newspapers. You know what I'm saying,
y'all seen everything. How can I come to y'all and
say something didn't happen. Y'all gotta stop, man, like, come on.
So that's it, I think aunt the time.

Speaker 12 (01:22:29):
Well, I know for myself, I just wanted y'all to
fix it because I known y'all so long and not
fixed the relationship, just the friendship the parents.

Speaker 22 (01:22:36):
To just fix that part, that's what that's that takes time,
Like it's a divorce. It's not something that just happens overnight,
you know what I'm saying. But people, life don't stop
because of that, you know what I mean. It's papers,
it's time. It's all this stuff that gotta happen. But
at the end of the day, we move forward.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
With our lives.

Speaker 21 (01:22:52):
Like like I said, I wish you the best. We
got some great, amazing things going on. And like I said,
this is my best friend right here.

Speaker 20 (01:22:59):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
We we live in our life.

Speaker 22 (01:23:00):
We've been together over a year and a half now,
it'll be two years next year in September.

Speaker 17 (01:23:05):
We at the end of the year.

Speaker 22 (01:23:07):
Some of this stuff is just so old, you know,
it's so old to talk about, to bring up, to
keep harping on it.

Speaker 17 (01:23:12):
It's like they're separated. She got somebody too, Like, don't.

Speaker 22 (01:23:17):
Act like you're just over here like she's happy, We're happy,
and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Like, I don't know, what is it cordial? Are you
just say nah?

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
I'm just it is what it is.

Speaker 21 (01:23:28):
I'm always cordial, bro, cordiate, I'm cordial with everybody. Like,
come on, bro, I'm not problematic.

Speaker 8 (01:23:34):
Man.

Speaker 21 (01:23:34):
You know y'all know this stuff. Man, Yeah, we get
as y'all. Let me just go out and say, why
would something happen y'all Like y'all don't know people like
I know and be like cause and we got dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
He's a DJ he from Queens.

Speaker 21 (01:23:48):
So when somebody come over here and say I saw
Envy doing x Y, I've been watching this for twenty
something years.

Speaker 8 (01:23:54):
I never heard that next to his.

Speaker 21 (01:23:55):
Name, Like certain things they can't put on your jacket,
you know what I'm saying. I know Charla Mayne, he
speaks about mental health, you know. I mean he's into
different things. He's into his relationship with his wife.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
If I've been.

Speaker 21 (01:24:05):
Watching this man fifteen years, like certain things on my here,
Charlamagne did that man.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
A rap?

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
You tell me he's up here rapping and Charlamagne told
his face you whack.

Speaker 8 (01:24:17):
But I think that's gonna say he did that. But
you can't hold me finish.

Speaker 21 (01:24:20):
You can't just come with some left field that I've
never heard twenty years of me following this man career
since he was on Wendy Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Right, Nah, that don't go with him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Papoost punching somebody in the face. I believe you keep
doing that.

Speaker 13 (01:24:40):
Wait, Like to your point in Champ, I know you
mentioned like it's old, but I think the reason why
people bring it back up is because we saw so
much and we knew you, and then when everything happened,
there's claims of like you cheating and like all these things.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
That's what I'm saying, Like if it's a new artist,
I can get it.

Speaker 21 (01:24:55):
We don't know me all these years in constant rate
or never been on my name ever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
That was out here with me. I was coming to
the old standard.

Speaker 9 (01:25:05):
That is a good point that path making, because come on,
all the years she was incultorrator, we.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Never heard of the street all of a.

Speaker 21 (01:25:12):
Sudden, boom out of nowhere, an asteroid hit, like, come on.

Speaker 13 (01:25:16):
Man, So that didn't happen because she says she had
got into it with somebody over some allegations, and.

Speaker 21 (01:25:21):
Like I said, man, I wish you had the best
man me speaking about that. It goes into like a
whole and I ain't had to do that, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:25:29):
Clarse, I know on your side of it, like people
always like push back because it's like he's still married
and he's this and he's that. You're like, they're separated.
We're happy for you trying to move forward in this
new relationship. Like how tough is that when that conversation
comes up for you.

Speaker 17 (01:25:42):
I don't know why they act like people don't get divorced.

Speaker 22 (01:25:44):
It's the craziest thing to me, Like everything the most
thing that happened, and like people are like, we don't,
we don't understand the breakups and relationships you can never
You're never gonna break up with your family because they're
your blood. You gotta deal with them, your mom and
your daddy, your crazy sister, your outrageous cousin. But when
it comes to a relationship that breaks up all the time,
marriages in all the time, divorces happen.

Speaker 17 (01:26:04):
I don't know why.

Speaker 22 (01:26:05):
It's like, oh, divorces is impossible. When they don't when
it's divorce fiul public, whatever the heck that was, It's like,
and we're together all the time, every single day, ebony awards, fights,
walk outs at home, cooking, like it's harder for the
fans that followed.

Speaker 17 (01:26:25):
Them to let go than it is for them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
I feel like God.

Speaker 21 (01:26:29):
I will say this though, I will say this because
I don't think this is wrong towards anybody. I will
say this none that it's true. Man, I come from
a big family like you. If you really follow me
and you're not just around for the gossip. You see
my daughter, you see my sisters, you see my mother.
You see so many beautiful women in my life who
love me to death. I mean not only because I

(01:26:51):
was there for them when they need me. I fought
all they battles. I don't just do it for the
person that I'm with. I do this for my children,
like I don't. I've had to put hands on my
daughter's boyfriends to protect them. I'm being honest. I'm gonna
protect them, bro and to provide us. So anything outside
of that, it doesn't, it doesn't go.

Speaker 12 (01:27:09):
But I think the main thing I think it doesn't
when when the fans follow your life and like you said,
we don't know what goes on, We only know what
we see, and then all of a sudden, on Tuesday,
we start seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
These these tweets and these these Instagram posts.

Speaker 21 (01:27:22):
Were like, but that's not how it happened though, See
that's what that's another that's what I see. I know,
but you said it earlier, right, you said, Yo, pat
putting hands on somebody, right y'all.

Speaker 8 (01:27:31):
Seeing all this happen right in front of your face.

Speaker 21 (01:27:33):
And you're round about none of this was said when
that's all this was going on.

Speaker 8 (01:27:38):
See that y'all making me get into this. I don't
want to do it.

Speaker 13 (01:27:41):
Trying to figure out clarity because like there's like so
many questions because it's like one day literally you just
wake up and and boom, we're we're That's not.

Speaker 8 (01:27:48):
What happened, though, I don't know why y'all starting it
from there.

Speaker 13 (01:27:51):
Okay, so let's back up, because what you're referring to
is the allegations that she was cheating.

Speaker 21 (01:27:56):
I don't I don't even want to. Like I said,
I wish her the best. I got nothing bad said.

Speaker 22 (01:28:00):
Everybody knows that before I came into the picture.

Speaker 17 (01:28:04):
Now it's just these two in the picture. Y'all know
where it started.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
It had.

Speaker 22 (01:28:08):
I had nothing to do with anything as far as
when me and him got together, he was he was
already separated, So y'all know what happened before that.

Speaker 9 (01:28:16):
So but I got the green, I beat rappers upweenble
force out.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Now man.

Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
Hip hop to.

Speaker 21 (01:28:33):
Tell me that when when the day she reference to
turn to tell me?

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
That's the first day you heard about this.

Speaker 21 (01:28:38):
You ain't see hold on, hold on, hold on second.
You ain't see everything that was going on for a
whole year before that, the whole I'm gonna tell you
why why y'all only wanted to start.

Speaker 17 (01:28:47):
You said you didn't want to go there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Confusing because I didn't even know that was going on.

Speaker 12 (01:28:51):
Before before close was in the picture, you hear rumors,
but then when you look at your lives, you don't
see any you don't see any turbulent turbulence. So it's
not like you see anything when you hear anything, you know,
held it down.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Even when I heard rumors, I would reach out to
Joe just like yo, just checking on to make sure
they just checking them the good.

Speaker 12 (01:29:11):
He was like, bro, they good. So I didn't hear
it too. But so you know with rumors, because they
say rumors all the time. I mean the rumors Charlamagne
gave we know not I don't know, but the time.
So it's like when you didn't, y'all didn't confirm. But
the night I'm like, all right, cool. And then when
that day happened the tweets, it still was like, but
before before tweets.

Speaker 8 (01:29:29):
Before we heard that Pat put hands on the guy.

Speaker 13 (01:29:32):
In the battle, heard that yes, and even that I
tried to figure that out. I reached out to certain
people that were facilitating things, and no one would comment
on it, so we can't.

Speaker 17 (01:29:40):
It's like what do we speak to?

Speaker 13 (01:29:42):
And that's why now you're here and we're asking you, like, okay,
so what was before that, because there were allegations that
she was dealing with the block Easy the Black captains
prior to us seeing them together. Whatever the situation is
now with them, was that what was happening.

Speaker 21 (01:29:55):
I mean, you said it yourself, You heard that, you
saw allegations. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not
here to bash the man't say anything, but he not.

Speaker 17 (01:30:00):
The type of talk.

Speaker 22 (01:30:01):
Pap don't do a lot of talking. Like I got
a way bigger mouth than him. Okay, I mean, like Paul, no,
whatever you want to say, whatever you want to put it.

Speaker 17 (01:30:09):
But he's not like that.

Speaker 22 (01:30:11):
Like he's he's really like about like family and friendship
and fixing things like he's he's really about that. You
know what I'm saying. Like us as women, well women, yeah,
we will tell it all because I because I love
the truth. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 17 (01:30:27):
I put the truth out there.

Speaker 22 (01:30:28):
And the thing is like when like come to the
truth is like he likes to keep his stuff and
handle his stuff privately, you know what I'm saying, and
respect this stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:30:40):
And he's always going to be like that. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 22 (01:30:43):
He's not ever gonna change even now, like this whole
conversation is like y'all getting a lot out of him
because he don't do this.

Speaker 17 (01:30:50):
He don't because he's moved so forward.

Speaker 22 (01:30:52):
We're like just so happy and he just whatever happened happened.
We all know that you go through things through it.
We all been through a break before. You may not
have been through a divorce, but you've been through a breakup,
been with for a long time. You got to go
through own stuff. He's healed, he's moved on, and he's
just in a better place. So it's just like with that,
when people put stuff in they're like, oh, you want
to defend it, But even him, he don't even want

(01:31:13):
to defend it because he like he is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Who he is.

Speaker 8 (01:31:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, who wants
to be a part of the circus man?

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Nobody?

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
When you ever saw us doing that?

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
Never happened before I had a movie coming out.

Speaker 22 (01:31:25):
I definitely didn't want to be a part of it.
My movie dropped just a couple of days on Christmas.
Christmas Day, I was.

Speaker 10 (01:31:31):
Like, I'm like, oh myn I was losing my mind.

Speaker 17 (01:31:37):
I'm like, what's going on here?

Speaker 22 (01:31:38):
So even me, I'm like, let me just get far
away from this as possible. But I'm still with him,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:31:45):
So now here, Clarissa, like promote that movie.

Speaker 22 (01:31:47):
Now, But it's like I'm in a different text bracket
than that to have to use that to promote my movie.
My movie did well, it's still doing well. It's up
on Prime video. You haven't seen it, The Fire Inside.
But I don't want my name connected to stuff like that.
I never have before this thing with him, you never seen.
You might see me into a couple of little beefs

(01:32:07):
online with a couple of fighters and stuff like that,
but you never seen nothing about like relationship being with
a dude who got somebody.

Speaker 17 (01:32:14):
You never seen that. I'm my type of woman.

Speaker 8 (01:32:16):
But man with me, he with me.

Speaker 17 (01:32:17):
I don't do second place.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
I never have.

Speaker 22 (01:32:20):
I got two Olympic gold medals, nineteen World championships. Why
would I have to be second place to another woman
for like what do I look like?

Speaker 17 (01:32:28):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (01:32:29):
So that's my thing of like bars on Wheels, The
Journey to Save Hip Hop out now produced by my
brother Sean to males by the way, he did the
whole project dj MV played the music.

Speaker 9 (01:32:49):
That I told him I was gonna let him rap
for you while you was here. I want to bring
him in. L Russell recently was talking about how he
came up here and he rapped and it changed his
trajectory and so a lot of people see that now,
so they want something like, YO, introduce yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Man from London store was up the past. We've known
our man a long.

Speaker 12 (01:33:11):
Time and he's a rapper. His his records are starting
to take off. He showed me his videos and all
that other stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:33:17):
And we're gonna let him take a deep breth.

Speaker 21 (01:33:21):
Okay, you got the beat.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
What was the other The other dude that came up here?

Speaker 12 (01:33:27):
One guy signed It was Josh and it was Josh
and Don Don Tylli.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
We used to come up here all the time. Let's go,
no pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
The phone matter.

Speaker 23 (01:33:48):
It started with a dream. I left Holm at seventeen.
I come from South London. Baby, you don't see that
on the screen. They used to tell me that you
will be someone that don't achieve. I've used to tell
myself that's something that I won't believe. When it came
from our family, it really hurt me deep. So I
lot myself inside the bedroom cry before I sleep. Told
them that I want to be what I want to be,

(01:34:08):
but they rather me inside the cell or see the boy.
The Seas lost both grandma's in six months where they live.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
When I go broke my heart.

Speaker 8 (01:34:16):
I was crying on my knees.

Speaker 23 (01:34:17):
But that's calmer because I've done the same to my mama.
Now I see life balancing out life and really is
a beast. So I'm sorry, mommy, because I know you
couldn't rescue me. I was fascinated by the street saying,
well me, no degree. Imagine having you a child that
speaks the way I speak. I'll probably go and lose
my mind to turn my back on me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Crazy how I.

Speaker 23 (01:34:36):
Talk about myself like it's so casually because my self
esteem is not My traumas got.

Speaker 6 (01:34:40):
So mad for me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Couldn't figure out a part to take.

Speaker 8 (01:34:43):
I found it gradually.

Speaker 23 (01:34:44):
Last time a girl she said she loved me, I said, actually,
love it satisfactory.

Speaker 8 (01:34:49):
I'm closer to its sanity. Every day a battle.

Speaker 23 (01:34:51):
I just want to see my family, but I can't
cry our toes this life. So I have a seat
everybody talking about me in the street.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Okay, he did his thing, and that was tough.

Speaker 23 (01:35:10):
That's where my parents are from, but they mouse to
London and that's what I was born on TEC when
I was seventeen.

Speaker 8 (01:35:15):
Okay, bro right, okay, Bro, Bro.

Speaker 12 (01:35:18):
That's going now, Bro, come to the breakfast club.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
I would say, for what a long time? Where can
they follow? You?

Speaker 8 (01:35:26):
Tell me?

Speaker 23 (01:35:26):
In twenty two on the socials Spotify, you can catch
me every I'll got a little song that's stay in
some numbers right now, so keep that into it.

Speaker 8 (01:35:33):
I appreciate it might be one Records, next artist.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
No, No, definitely sound sounds tough. I love to hear
some of your music. Man, keep doing your thing.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
Man, you and he used to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
That's the fact I used to do the same thing
you do.

Speaker 8 (01:35:43):
A lot kind of clocked it. You used to be
outside one case.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
That's right now.

Speaker 21 (01:35:48):
So I know what it's like when when you got
down hung and you're just like yo, I want to
I want to get on man, you got to do
it yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Bars or wheels out right now, let's the breakfast.

Speaker 8 (01:35:56):
Club, pap Post, Yes, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Now you've got a positive note them.

Speaker 8 (01:36:00):
Notice simply this and it's simple.

Speaker 9 (01:36:02):
Our character is what we do when we think no
one is looking.

Speaker 8 (01:36:06):
Always remember that, have a blessed day.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Breakfast cup, Bitches you.

Speaker 9 (01:36:10):
Don't finish up, Wake you up, Wake up.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Program your alarm to power one oh five point one
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