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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Woke up, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
The program your alarm to power one oh five point
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Good Morning Usa.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Yo yo yo yo yo Yo.

Speaker 5 (00:14):
Jesse Lorian, Good morning, Charlamage the guy he stead up playing.

Speaker 6 (00:17):
It is Monday.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Martin Luther King Junior day back right, salutha MLK man
makes civil rights.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Make some noise y'all with the A could you stop?
How old do you have been? Make some noise? Ninety six?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yes, make some noise y'all with the F. And you know,
it's a lot of times we say people could have
been at a certain age, But Martin ver King Jr.
Truly could have still been here on this planet ninety
six yeo, ninety six years old if he wasn't, you know,
tragically murdered and taking away from us back in the day.
Because think about it, Andrew Young is still alive. Who
will be replaying his interview, you know, later today, and
he was a top scratategist for Martin Luther King Jr.

(00:51):
Reverend Jesse Jackson is still alive. Like there's so many
people from the civil rights movement. That was with Martin
Luther King Jr. That is doctor Martin ul King Jr.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
That is still alive. Today's right.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yeah, yes, so today on the show, we're going to
play back out interview with andre and O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
I discussed the interview because I wasn't here that day.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I mean Andrew Young, like I said, he was a
top strategist for doctor Martin Luther King Junior man, and
I mean he really lived it.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
So I mean Andrew Young. And he was also a
former mayor of Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Like Andrew Young's done so many different things, so he'll
just be here to talk about himself.

Speaker 7 (01:21):
He was also being too humble, and that's why mister
John O'Brien and to step in, like you'll stop being
humble and get him the facts, like tell him. You know,
he's such a nice he's such a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
But I think with guys like Andrew Young, you know,
it's hard for him not to be humble simply because it.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Was just his life. Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Like to us, we're looking at it like wow, this
is amazing, but to him, he just lived it, just
lived it. This is his life. He don't know nothing, no, absolutely.
And also we're getting on Abby Phillips.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
You know why we're getting Abby Phillips on because Abby
Phillips put out a book that was about Jesse Jackson.
It is called uh yes, it was called Jesse Jackson
and the Fight for Black Political Power, you know what
I mean. So, like I said, these brothers that were
actually there with Martin Luther King Jr.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Are still alive.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Man, So you know, let's let's let's let's let's have
conversations about them.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
All right, we get your ass up. It's the Breakfast Club.
Come morning. Your time to get it off your chest.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Way up, whether you're mad or blast, time to get
up and get something.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Call up now. Eight hundred five eight five one oh
five one. We want to hear from you on the
Breakfast Club. Hello.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Who's this from Florida?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Is Keisha? I see why you upset? Keisha? What Cas
you're mad about?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
You?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
What I do to Keisha?

Speaker 8 (02:30):
What you do?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
You know? Child? Report? You want me to tell them?

Speaker 8 (02:34):
Keisha?

Speaker 5 (02:35):
No, Keisha said she want to know why Charlemagne don't
like fat people white?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I don't like fat people.

Speaker 9 (02:42):
You'll be talking crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
But no, that's not what I'm said.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I want to know why Charlomagnre hates people.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I don't hate fat people. Why come and talk to
me you do? Tell me why they hate?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
You hate a lot of people like you, you guys, Charlomagne. Baby,
I want you to go listen to Mirror tell yourself,
love yourself because you always tell people down, no matter
what it costs. And you don't pour into people and
build them up unless it pours and builds you up too.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
And that's the problem you need.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You need to deal with that.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
That's the man you're You're somewhat attractive.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
You don't have easy to be such a shirt like
you got listening. Listen, Keisha, now really listen. Yes, I
am somewhat attractive. Why do you think I hate fat people?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Though?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Other comments about the five people and the airlines where
Lauren's doing, you have all these things to say about
Loin and her relationships, want to sell just say something
you can just know you you're a hater in general, baby,
and I mean that comes from some kind of hate
the things. So you need to deal with that. Like

(03:51):
you to like to read self help books, but only
for entertainment.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Clearly because nothing's sticking you.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
What a big person? Do you nothing?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And I just don't agree with the fact that you know,
I agree with the fact that's Southwest Airlines needs to
make them pay for another airline.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, but even.

Speaker 10 (04:07):
Before that, because then you remember like when you and
recent Tisa had a dang.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
You remember her when I said about recent.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Shig me baby, got start me baby, That's what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
When we first heard recent TEASER's voice, I just said,
she sounded like she was heavy set.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
You are you heavy set? I am?

Speaker 8 (04:22):
I am.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
I'm a proud three hundred and seventy one pounds on
a problem and that's the only problem. Three seventy one,
you white baby, three six kids because it's Cody cat
good six kids. They can't stay out of it? Okay,
no good? How tall are you five six of the house?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
No, you're height five to six? Oh she said five
six and a half five six.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
And a half.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
You said, you hater.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
You blocked your own years from hearing baby.

Speaker 10 (04:50):
Ladyship sound through seventy one.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Listen, God bless Keisha and everything that Keisha's saying.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Go off.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Keisha Keisha, I'm just saying I'm getting off job number two,
about to take my kids to school and go to.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Job number one because I'm a hustler and a baller
like that can for a little extra sheet is nothing
because I don't want to sit next because nobody anyway.
I don't like getting closed up on people like that.
I do that because I'm in the healthcare field. So
when I'm on my free time, get out my fate.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
You're speaking the number ones and number three is what's
your favorite fast food?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh my goodness, you have a good day.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
I don't hassling, Okay, I like DJ Steakhous. Get on
my level, feed into people, turn into people because nothing.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Could be nice because nothing give love.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I love you, I appreciate you. I love you, and
I respect you.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I love you and I respect you so so much.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Keisha, No, you don't, because as soon as it's falls over,
you're gonna talk so much crap about me. It's not
even want to be showing me except to.

Speaker 10 (05:50):
You say you.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I listen to the show every day. You are haters
and the man I mean to love you whatever hurt
little boy is still in there crying out. Give them
some attention, some love, and some road.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
We need some whole books, take notes and let something
sick because who yes, if somebody needed to tell you
some some some ain't.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Right, some at right. I'm glad you got your family back,
that's true, but I mean work on.

Speaker 9 (06:18):
You know she was listening to me yesterday.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Listen you spread that lie, Lauren, hold I got my
family back.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
My family.

Speaker 10 (06:26):
I'm talking about when you got in trouble. You had
to get your life right with your wife.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Remember that never happen. You look at that guy. The
envy that happened. The envy, Yeah, hey, that was it
was both of y'all. No, it was not. That was envy. Okay,
shout out.

Speaker 10 (06:38):
To good saying that, I don't know, I'm good saying
that to you. Yesterday you told me I was going
to be a Sigehu.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Keisha is five sick and Keisha is five six and
a half three seventy one.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yes he is. Whoa Keisha? You have a great day.
She works in the healthcare business, so she probably a nurse.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I think me and Keisha needed to learn to love
ourselves a little.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Bit more, saying you have a good morning.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Damn Dan, he's working two three jobs. You got six kids.
I wish, I wish I could gain. I would have
paid for Keisha lunch today.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Why lunch? Because it's why?

Speaker 10 (07:10):
Why you don't know she needs she might need to
up on her car.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
It's because I'm gonna do like fifty dollars for lunch.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I'll pay Kim's Olympic shots. I'll pay for her Keisha,
God blessed Keisha.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Tho man talk about I'm gonna pay for lunch today,
that's what you say? Show I paid for people's lunch.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Why? Well, we got all these Golden Corral certificates around here.
Why you need to pay for Kess? We got all
these Golden Carrol certificates. She can even go to crowd
for a year for free, and you want to pay
for a.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Lunch, Get it off your chest. Eight hundred five eighty five,
one oh five one. If you need to vent, hit
us up now, it's the breakfast club.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Good morning, allow, who's this?

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Hi?

Speaker 11 (07:43):
Ciara? I used to be neighbors with Charle Mane. My
grandmother used to hit on him in the elevator.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
How many men did you see going in and out
of his place?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Good morning, Tiara, Good morning, how are you blessed black.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
And Holly fair?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
But how your grandma doing the same as always I will.

Speaker 11 (08:04):
I'm calling because I'm exhausted from fighting my mental health alone.
I lived with severe depression and anxiety and I've well
he felt genuinely happy like twice. I'm stuck in the
cycle of burnout and the breath relief, and I'm scaredly
more of the same. You know, Charlemagne always talks openly

(08:27):
about letting his mental health, not letting his mental health
stop his success. And you know that's why I'm reaching out.
I'm a creative person who feels like life has been
grinding me down. I'm starting to lose a person I
used to be, and I used to be the best.

Speaker 12 (08:44):
I know.

Speaker 11 (08:44):
I used to be really talented and creative, and I
know it's still in there, but I just need some guidance,
maybe mentorship or perspective from someone who understands the struggle
and how to move forward anyway. And I'm tired, but
I'm still trying, and you know that's what I'm calling.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I totally understand you.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
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Please get to your information. Right, our number down and stuff.
I'm gonna call you later after the show to ya.

Speaker 13 (09:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Hold on, don't hang up, Okay, I'm not get her
number right now, Eddie, Hello, who's this?

Speaker 8 (09:17):
Heynd it from New Jersey?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Chamade it from Jersey? What Jersey?

Speaker 8 (09:23):
I can't tell you?

Speaker 11 (09:23):
All right?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Every damn, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
What you mean?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Run something? You got warrants?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Jerseys A But listen, I'm about to talk about your
friend who I don't want him know where I'm from,
my friend Trash.

Speaker 8 (09:36):
I'm sick of him. He needs to go for this
year I'm trying to do now. I'm just tired of
him every morning he called every other day.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
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Speaker 8 (09:47):
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people that I was calling, Mama. Only one I agree
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Speaker 5 (10:01):
I don't like when he started calling talking about like
cowboys stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
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a new found Hey, baby, what's that good?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Thank you?

Speaker 9 (10:14):
Man?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Let's luthor traff get it off your chest eight hundred
five eight five one oh five one.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's
the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Everybody is dj n V just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club, Lawnla Roses here as well.
We got some special guests joining us this morning. Yes, indeed,
we have a Landy Smith here, good morning, good morning,
good morning. We have ce Sir Williams, good morning, good morning.
We have Frederica Newton, good morning, and we have fred.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Hampton Junior, Good morning morning. How y'all feeling this morning? Man?

Speaker 14 (10:40):
Were blessed man Black and blessed man blessed Black and
Holly favor. Yes, Sir Landy, why we all gathered here
today with all these amazing people, brother man. We we
had a New York Fashion Week show about about a
month ago, man, and we were blessed to have these
individuals show up and walk on the fast on the
on the runway with us, along with uh doctor Burne's
and Iliosa Sabbaz, the daughters of Malcolm X and Mornin

(11:03):
Luther King and the response to it, the way that
black people have responded to seeing these people on the runway,
knowing that this history wasn't that long ago like they
tried to tell us that it was. Has been powerful man,
so actively black. The company that I founded, we were
built with the intention to uplift and reinvest back into
the black community. And uh, these incredible legends have been

(11:25):
supportive of the brand.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So when you when you, I want you all to know, man,
see Sir Williams, right, y'all know this legendary picture right
here that the brother drinking out of the white's only
water found. I always wanted to ask you, mister Williams,
was it a spontaneous active rebellion or something something you
plan to do as a statement.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
It was a little bit of both. I was thirsty,
but also it was a middle of the sunshine of
the summer. You know it's evident T shirt.

Speaker 13 (11:51):
But but also this was not the first time I
did this. There were many other times that I felt
I wanted to look really, I was not satisfied, but
living on the status quo in segregation. So this was
something that I had done many times, and my mother
warned me not to do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
But I did it again and this time it was photographed.
Did did you feel fear in that moment? I was
your faith stronger than your field? None whatsoever.

Speaker 13 (12:16):
This is about fifteen to twenty miles from Orangeburg and
on Highway twenty one and coming back from an assignment
for Jet magazine.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
But I never sent this picture of the jet.

Speaker 13 (12:24):
It was something that I held in the family, and
I knew I would get chewed out had I, you know, given.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
It to my mother and father to see, so I
hid it from them. It never sent it to Jet either.
Oh wow, sy they get it?

Speaker 13 (12:40):
Maybe three or four years later, I showed it to
the Conversation one Sunday afternoon doing a dinner. It kind
of came out, and then I got chewed out.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
What did that single act teach you about the power
of defiance and the faith of injust well?

Speaker 13 (12:55):
Living in South Carolina, being a child of segregation, it
was something that we encountered DeLong from birth to death.
We in South Carolina doing that period of time, felt
again we were treated as subclass human beings, not being
able to go to a store and go into a restroom,

(13:16):
or go or drink get a drink of water out
of a fountain, or having to go to a side
window or go into a movie theater and having to
sit in a separate place or not at all. So
but again one thing that I would like to that's
maybe out of characteristic of many southerns There were many
good white people at the time as well. You can't

(13:37):
just put a blanket statement against that all people treated this.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
There were many good hearted white.

Speaker 13 (13:44):
People at the time, and they were friends of my
family and they helped support our family. But there were
some people in South Carolina again who live treated us
as a status quo not being able to do this
or that.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
So crazy to think about it, Like, you know, when
you have these conversations, we're really not that far removed
from that whole, right, That's what I'm saying, Like you don't,
you don't really think about it, like you said earlier,
Like we're not far removed from racism, and even the
stories that my dad told me.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I'm like, this is crazy. This is what fifty years ago,
sixty years I got got one of my aunts.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
She said, I don't know nothing about no I don't
know nothing about no integration. Yeah, she knew was segregating
in schools.

Speaker 14 (14:20):
You know, Yeah, we had, we had Ruby Bridges walked
the wrong way as well, and it was a powerful
moment because everybody remembers that picture six year old little
girl being escorted into school by federal marshals and Ruby
just turned seventy one, but you know, black on cracks,
so she looks forty five and she walks out on
the runway. It made it real to people like that

(14:40):
same little girl in that black and white photo is
walking right here in front of me. So that's that's
the power of having having these individuals here with me,
showing you know how close we are to everything that
we still fighting to this day.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Do y'all hate you, I'm sorry, Do y'all hate white people? God? Damn?
All right, And I'm gonna tell you why.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
When I talked to my my dad has a feeling
towards white people, right, And I always joke and I
laugh about it. But then when he tells me his
history of him being in the military, and you know,
they're in the same barracks, but then when they go
get some food, it's white only, and is people in
the barracks they go get food, he can't. Yeah, he
talks about the water fountain in the bathroom and all
this other stuff, and why he looks at white people
the way that he does, I understand it.

Speaker 13 (15:21):
So that's why I ask you the same well that's
brought to the forefront by Landy Smith and again the
fashion show, In fact he labels the fashion show. This
is not a fashion show. Pictures like this are just
evidence of time and period we lived in America that
seemingly in today's society, some people want to bring it back,

(15:42):
but it's long gone. But people like me who had
experienced this and people that were on the show that
was put together by this amazing brother who has brought
forth this apparel that again has criss crosses across America
and being put into the hands of today's generation t
shirts of the things that he makes. We're not going

(16:02):
to stand for again. Resegregating America's going to be something
that is long gone. And to answer your question, there
are again many many good white people. And again there's
some myths I think that all white people are bad.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I was growing up in South Carolina was such a
mine because to your point, I grew up around a
lot of good white people, but then we were also
aware of the white people who treated us like status cool,
Like there's a.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Certain places you knew you weren't supposed to go.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
But then I also had my white friend and Thomas
and his family who lived right by me, so it
was a class thing.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
So it's just it's just, I don't know, talk kind
of different.

Speaker 15 (16:36):
But the tag team. But you first, I'm chairman, Friend
Hunton Jr. I'm honored to be here again. Conspits salute
to this brother and his wife, his team. You know
what I'm saying, Because say everything's political, including fashion able
to get this peel in the apple sauce. These type
of discussions, it's a revolutionaries. It's a misnom about like
it's motivated your moves, how we move. It's a hatred
for someone else coming down to us. Chakevar said, you know,

(17:01):
a revolutionary no matter how preposterous it may sound, it's
goded by the most sincereous sentiments of love. And I'm
not saying this sort of abstracts sort of way, but
we're talking about the work such organizations. The Black Panther Party.
The motivation for getting up with the first free breakfast programs,
free busting program survival programs was not directly at a
hatred for anyone, you know what I'm saying, But again,
motivate for love for people. But let me say this though,
I think all black people should get like a mass

(17:23):
Nobel Peace Prize, all of us.

Speaker 1 (17:25):

Speaker 15 (17:26):
The fact that we just on masks snapped out. You
know what I'm saying, You know, not to this iran
that we ain't motivated at a hatred. But again, and
sometimes even though it's a reactionary response is kind of justified.
But again for the record, it's a more got a
love for the people.

Speaker 16 (17:40):
Like to echo off, I could him Frederica and Hewing
was my husband. And what came to mind when you
when you even asked that question was quote from Hughie
that said what motivates people is not hatred, but it's.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
Love for other people.

Speaker 16 (17:57):
So my mother was white, and she introduced me to
Huey because she was doing work with the Black Panther
Party and she was the only one that they trusted
to do the real estate work. So I couldn't. I
did not grow up hating anyone. But what I do
hate is white supremacy and the impact on black community. Absolutely,
I actually hate that and the impacts of the impact

(18:19):
that it's had on us. So again, as my brother
said so eloquently, as he always does, as he always does,
is that the Black Panther Party service was out of love,
out of love for black people, out of love for
oppressed people, and it wasn't it wasn't guided by hate.

(18:40):
So it's impossible for me to hate anybody.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Lannie.

Speaker 14 (18:43):
Why was it important to have these historical black figures
yea walk into Actively Black fashion show.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (18:49):
So one the tagline for Actively Black is there's greatness
in our DNA and very intentional about that because I
think over the centuries of oppression, subconsciously our people have accepted.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Now I won't say accepted.

Speaker 14 (19:02):
Sometimes it seeks into our subconscious that we are less than,
not as good as this is what has been told
to us, this is what has been preached to us
for centuries. I'm trying to rewrite that narrative. I'm trying
to deprogram and reprogram our own people to understand that
there's greatness in our DNA. It's literal greatness in the
DNA that walked on that runway. When you see Malcolm

(19:23):
and Martin's daughters walk on that runway together. That DNA
is something that has that has moved mountains, that has
changed lives, you know what I'm saying, And that exists
within all of us. So it was important for our
people to see that, to know that we are more
than just our trauma, you know what I mean. We
have so much greatness inside of us, and if we
start acting out of that greatness, that's how we can

(19:45):
change things for our community.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
How difficult was it getting everybody in and how how
long did it taken?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
It was?

Speaker 14 (19:54):
It was stressful. One there was a white supremacist who
was killed by another white man and about a week
before our show, and yeah, yeah, and it sent some
shockwaves through our plans because you're talking about children of
people who were assassinated, real political violence, and so I

(20:18):
had to reconvince Iliosa Shabaz and Doctor King to still
be a part of this show. There were some safety concerns.
We had to bring in three extra teams of security
just to make sure that they were secure because the
rhetoric was that there was going to be payback, which
never made sense to me because there was a white
man that killed them, you know what I mean. But
I think the reason why I was able to execute

(20:39):
on that was the respect that I had paid to
these individuals before everyone you see up here, Doctor King,
doctor Eliosa Shabaz. I went to them and asked them
for permission to put their family members on this gear.
I have licensing agreements with them so that when we
sell apparel, the Black Panther Party Museum gets money, Hampton,

(21:00):
the Hampton House gets money. Cecil William's Museum gets money.
Right the Sebbat Center, the King Center actively Black pays
them when we sell this, this this merch and so
you know, you can go on any market any weekend
and you'll see a lot of us selling this stuff,
not realizing these people actually lost people in this struggle
and they weren't compensated, right, And so I think I

(21:22):
earned a level of respect with them that when I
made that call and I asked them, can you walk
on this wrungway for me?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
They answered the call. And I feel so humbled.

Speaker 14 (21:30):
I mean, Doctor King, when she when she arrived, she
gave me a signed speech from from her father and
she prayed with me, and I broke down and cried,
you know what I mean, Like her schedule is crazy
for her to move around her travel schedule to be
there for this show. It's something I'm forever grateful.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Did you have any concerns, any security concerns at all?

Speaker 14 (21:47):
My man came and made sure we were we were,
we were, we were, We were good with the security.
We weren't gonna let nobody even get close to touching
you know this royalty.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
Yeah, what does it mean to be actively black?

Speaker 14 (22:02):
That's such a layer question. And there's a reason why
I named it that you got to understand. When I
was starting to actively black. By the way, we'll celebrate
five years this Black Friday. We launched on Black Friday
twenty twenty. I had a lot of black people tell me,
don't name the company actively black. I had black executives
tell me, if you put black in this name, it
will not be successful. And I realized that a lot

(22:26):
of them were speaking from a place of fear of
working in corporate environments where they had to minimize who
they were and their identity. And so there's nothing passive
about what we have to do to uplift our people, right,
So it's a double entendre. I want our people to
be more healthy. We do free mental health events, we

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do physical activations where we're having people do yoga, sound, bath, meditation.
We're getting our people access to the things that they
need so that we can keep moving. That's the only
way the movement can keep going is if healthy enough
to keep moving. Right, So it's a double on times
where we're active where brand you know, there's no reason
why we shouldn't have our own Nike. That's what actively

(23:08):
Black is when we build this multi billion dollar brand,
it's not for my personal wealth.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's for us to uplift our people. Actively black dot com.
Hell I want, I want, I want a brother sister.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Frederick could give them the museum websites, Yes, so people
can donate, well, you.

Speaker 13 (23:23):
Can go to Cecil Williams Music. I'm sorry South Carolina
Civil Rights Museum. But we also have a way of
like PayPal and the email address there and several other ways.
But we're easily find We're again in the college town
of Orangebreak, South Carolina, and we need your supporter, even
dollars one dollar helps.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
So please support us.

Speaker 14 (23:46):
Right if you part gives, I want to make sure
you get this and then and then so so Frederick
could close us out, make sure you got that.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
What's that what's the museum.

Speaker 16 (23:56):
On Instagram is at the Black Panther Party Museum and
the Doctor Hue P. Newton Foundation celebrating thirty years this year.
Please come visit us in Oakland, California. Black Panther Party Museum.
We're open, I mean we're and we're packed. So this
month celebrates the Black Panther Party History Month and we're

(24:16):
full of celebrations.

Speaker 9 (24:17):
So please visit us there. Thank you we can.

Speaker 15 (24:21):
Also, I'm thank you for having us here. Fins Fist Saluta,
our fellow Palentist, Clint Fittsaluta actively Black the some of
fourth International Revolutionaire Day come to Chicago. Also the Hampton
House dot org. We get programs going to Childhood, Homer
Chamber of Friend Hampton and Maywood, Illinois Agattinghampton House dot org.
On the close out this quote, Bayck minuisester Doctor Ue P.
Newton pictures worth a thousand words, but action and supreme.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah right, Well it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Guys, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Everybody's dj n V Jess Hilary Charlamage the guide.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
We are the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Lawna roases here as well, and we got a special
guest in the building, civil rights activist, politics, diplomat and
pass the ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
O G Andrew Young, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 17 (25:05):
Good morning brother. I'm really glad to be here with you.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, sir, I'm long overdue, man, What are you telling I'm.

Speaker 17 (25:12):
Gonna need I mean, I need to know where you are, yes, sir.
And I'm a look at the book and be honest
or dilay and I probably you know I need to
read that quickly.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
John O'Brien is here as well. John O'Brien, Good morning morning.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Mister.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Andrew Young had a new documentary i'll called The Dirty Work.
Why was it important for you to tell this part
of your story?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Now?

Speaker 17 (25:40):
Well, I'm telling my story and we see the glamor
of the civil rights movement, and it was very glamorous.
For every one or two you see on television, there
were five hundred to one thousand of us in the
background doing the dirty work. And it's the way I
got into it. I was at up here in New

(26:00):
York in nineteen fifty seven fifty eight and doctor King
needed somebody to move with him to Atlanta. My wife
was from Marrying, Alabama. Which was a little country town
near Selma, and we saw the NBC documentary on John

(26:24):
Lewis in the Nashville citing story. We just bought a
house out in Queen's and I was working up at
the National Council of Churches. And when the documentary came home,
my wife said it's time for us to go home.
I said, we are home. She said, no, this is
New York. It'll be my home. And I said, we

(26:46):
just bought this house. We got a good job. She said,
I'm going back to my mama in Alabama and I'm
taking my children. And I said, well, what do you
want me to do? She said, I want you to
sell this house and find a job down south. It
was the attraction of going back south that got me
back in the movement. And it was in that transition

(27:08):
Martin Luther King had just been stabbed and he took
New York. In New York, he took a month off
to go to India and was just coming back and
planning to move from Montgomery to Atlanta. So I ended
up getting pulled in to try to help him move.
And that was that was the dirty work. He needed

(27:32):
to be in a bigger city. Than Montgomery, and but
he couldn't afford to live in Atlanta except with his parents,
and so he was trying to raise funds. He never
had a million dollars a year to work with the
entire time we had the movement going, and so I
was trying to help him raise some funds and went
to my church of the United Church of Christ and

(27:55):
asked them. They founded a number of colleges, Howard and
Talladega to Galoo, all across the south, and so I said,
you know, if you would let us use some of
these properties or some of them, we could have a
movement southwide in a little of no time. And so

(28:18):
I was sort of being a bridge between him making
the transition to Montgomery and coming to Atlanta. I was
then moved from Atlanta back to I mean from New
York back to Atlanta. And the first job I got,
he was not there. His secretary said, well once she said,

(28:41):
my wife's in Alabama. She said, you can't be hanging
around here loose, said idle minders the devil's workshop, and
we got a whole lot of devils. And she said
you need something to do. I said, well, anything I
can do to help, and she gave me a great
big egg crate packed would letters. And so she said,

(29:05):
if you can help doctor King within his mail, that's
really if you want to get to know a company.
If somebody's coming in Ian wants to get to know it,
answer the mail, at least read it the mail, know
what's what's happening around. And so it gave me. I mean,
I ended up with the bucket of mail. And that
was sort of a dirty work.

Speaker 12 (29:25):
So Charlottagne when he also when he went to go
get the job, when he went to South the stabb
didn't want them. Doctor King was out giving speeches and
on the road. The staff didn't want him. He was smart,
he was articulate. He was like, all the seats are taken,
we all get every good. They sent him packing. So
he came back with a grant. The grant was self

(29:47):
funded and it was for non violent education or something
like that. But he's funded it, Sally. So doctor King said,
you can sid you paid for it. You can sit
right over here.

Speaker 17 (29:57):
Well, we've been paid for it. I don't only paid
for it. I brought access to all of those schools, yes,
from in North Carolina and King's Mountain Georgia, it was
Atlanta University. Alabama was two Galu Talladega Talladi and Alabama
and too Glue and Mississippi.

Speaker 12 (30:18):
But the key point of that in Bassie Young was
you won't take credit for this. He became the one
person nobody could fire, so he could speak truth to power.
We didn't anybody exactly because doctor King didn't like conflict.
You let me finish my point, Yes, sir, Doctoring didn't
like conflict, so he was a conflict man. So he

(30:38):
was the one inside the staff. You had crazy people
on the left and crazy folks sort of over here
trying to do revolutions. Doctor King didn't want conflict, so
he would expecting Bassi Young to.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Knock his inside. That's it.

Speaker 12 (30:52):
And when he came in, he wanted it to be resolved.
And so he was a resolution manager inside the movement
and outside of the Again, he doesn't take credit for it,
but that that really became one of his magic pieces
was that he was an independent thinker, just like you are.
Just like all you guys are independent thinkers.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
They get that, right. I guess.

Speaker 17 (31:14):
You know the thing is that I left Howard and
I really well, I really up three and a half years. See,
but I somehow got a degree. And because I was
playing around, wasn't studying. I was trying to make the
swimming team, and so I was trying to get on

(31:35):
the girls. And I wasn't making any broadras at all,
you know, from New Orleans, and I got along with people,
but I was I was trying to grow up. And
when I got came left Howard and we stopped that
you couldn't had no hotels in letters ter. We stopped

(31:57):
at a King's Mountain, North Carolina, where we had a
church conference going on, and I decided to run up
the mountain. Somewhere along there, I kind of blacked out.
I looked around and everything seemed perfect.

Speaker 12 (32:13):
You know.

Speaker 17 (32:13):
It was a perfect sky, perfect corn field. The green
trees were sparkling, and I said, damn everything. He has
got a purpose but me and I said, I cannot
be put here on this eort with no purpose at all.
And how do I find a purpose? Well, what I

(32:35):
came to was if there's something that I think needs
doing and nobody wants to do it, that becomes my purpose.
So I was looking for stuff that needed to be
done that nobody wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's such an interesting perspective when you talk about, you know,
purpose to John, because in my mind, you know, I
always thought the purpose was the liberation of black people.
But you're always just looking for something, a purpose within yourself.

Speaker 12 (33:01):
So let's let's get some into real talk. He's got
survivor's guilt. He doesn't sleep. He's always working because he
was on that balcony when doctor King was assassinated. The
FBI told him the instructions for the shooter. If you missed,
the dreamer killed the strategist. He's been this all this time.
You an ambassador, first black un ambassador to history the

(33:23):
United States under Carter, first congressman since reconstruction in the South,
brought the Atlantic, the Olympics to the Atlanta, made Atlanta
International City, Mayor, Presidential Medal of Frema Wardee French Foreign
Legion Aboardee one hundred and fifty Honorary doctor degrees, brought
a venture capital of Africa, liberated Zimbabwe, helped get Mandela

(33:43):
out of prison. But underneath all this, I'm here because
my friend was a shot, so he couldn't enjoy any
of it. He give all his money away. He's been
a servant his whole life, and he is He's the
closest thing we have to Nelson Mandela.

Speaker 10 (33:58):
Everybody plays a role in movement, is what I've always
heard and learned. I feel like today when we talk
about the boycotts, that that we're trying to do actively,
there's no real roles.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
We don't take one thing serious.

Speaker 10 (34:10):
We might take the other one serious because there's there's
no structure, there's no how did you get people to
fall along, even though not everybody growth.

Speaker 17 (34:17):
Everybody used to go to church back then, and radio
black radio was owned by white folks, and they would
play the music, but we'd have to slip in an announcement,
there's going to be a certain meeting that you know,
such and such a Baptist church or such and such
a Methodist church. And they finally even stopped them from

(34:40):
from doing announcements. So it went by word of mouth.
We knew that every night we'd have a mass meeting
at some church in some neighborhood, and people would get
together about five o'clock and they sing these old songs
that the young folk then came in and modified freedom songs.

(35:01):
Then the preachers would come in and preach a little
bit and tell what's going on. But it was all
around the church, and in the daytime when the churches
were not operating, the kids went to the schools and
the guys who were hanging out at the pool hall,
we'd stop by there. In fact, doctor King was very

(35:23):
good pool played. Grew up in the YMCA, and he
could get everybody's attention because he would go into a
pool hall and challenge the guys that can I take
the winner? And after they saw he was he could
run the table. They listened to him, and it was

(35:44):
finding a way to get to people where they are
and they would really say, I'm ready to die for
my people. It was the threat of death to almost
every black man in the South until just recently, and
it's coming back now. It's more organized now. The only
person who would talk about it openly was Martin Luther King,

(36:07):
and he said, now, you know, if we go messing
with Birmingham, some of us ain't gonna come back. Now
he knew he was the one most likely targeted, but
I mean, he'd make a joke out of it, and
he had a real good sense of humor. He said, John,
it might be your turn, but it's gonna be one

(36:30):
of the hardest things I ever do, but I'll try
my best to preach your ass into heaven. And then
he'd start preaching all the things that I pick on
him about, see and he would say things you didn't
know he knew about you, and he'd ask God to
forgive you and please let him into heaven. You know,

(36:52):
I mean, really, he really turned your death into a comedy.
It was a district.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Now, if you're just joining us, we're still talking with
Andrew Young, civil rights activist, politician work very closely.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
To Martin Luther King junior Charlamagne.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
The fact that people knew that they could potentially die
is still were willing to make that sacrifice is what
I think is missing now.

Speaker 17 (37:16):
You shouldn't be willing to make the sacrifice. You should
be willing to take your time and assume that you
can make the world rights and you don't have to die.
And we maybe have made it too difficult. Most of
the people who died, we can remember their names, but

(37:39):
they're literally millions. Like Martin Luther King got stabbed by
black women up here in Harlem and the well a
letter opener, and a letter opener was pressing on the
a order of his heart, and they said, if he

(37:59):
had sneezed, he probably would have died. And he talked
about that all the time. But what he talked about,
he said, but he got a letter this girl said,
I am eleven years old and it shouldn't matter, but
I happened to be white, and I just want to
thank you and thank God that you did not sneeze.

(38:23):
And he would talk. He talked about that all the
time because it represented the fact that there's still many,
many good people. And you shouldn't believe that the whole
world is going to hell at a handbasket. See that
right now, even right now, right now, the whole world

(38:46):
is not going to hell in a hand basket.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
In the doc, you said, after Martin Luther King Junior
got shot, you knew there was no hope.

Speaker 17 (38:53):
I knew that it was going to be hard, but
I really my mama used to make me go to
Sunday school and and they one time they were talking
about Elijah going to heaven and a flaming chariot. And
I was about nine years old, and I said, I
don't believe that they put me out of center school.

(39:15):
But I never forgot that, and that's what I thought
when I saw Martin laying there one I said, he
probably didn't even hear that shot. The bullet Pollerce travels
fast to the speed of sound, so it hit him
right in his and severed his spinal cord, so he

(39:35):
probably never heard it. He probably never felt any pain,
and he was dead instantly. And the thing that occurred
to me then was, damn, my brother done gone to
heaven and a flaming chariot and all the all of
the spirituals talk about, you know, steal away, steal away

(39:56):
to Jesus, and I just felt that he'd gone home
to the Lord and and left me here. But I knew,
and I still know that there's hardly a day that
I don't talk about him and learn or remember something

(40:19):
that he said in a similar situation. And I passed
that on to my children, but to all children. And
it's one of the reasons why I'm really grateful to
those folk. And John is one of them that put
together money to tell this story, because all the books
that were written by the movement are big, big books,

(40:42):
and and we don't read, we don't keep still that long.
So the mass media, radio and television is still our
means of communication, and it's why you play such an
important part in our community and why I had I mean,
I was in a meeting last night till ten o'clock,
went home, got me a few hours sleep, got up

(41:06):
at four o'clock in the morning, got on a plane,
and came up back here because I wasn't coming to
talk to you all. You talk to more people than
anybody I know. And when John said he's going to
let you talk to his people, I said, thank you Jesus.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
No, he's a privilege man. Well, but it's a privilege
for me.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Do you think we've honored doctor King's legacy or just
branded it?

Speaker 10 (41:31):
No.

Speaker 17 (41:32):
I don't think there's anybody anybody around that doesn't respect
what he did and what he gave his life for.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think that.

Speaker 17 (41:41):
I think he is a sacred personality in our history.
But everyone is like that. I mean, Christmas Attics. I
knew about him. He's the first black man, first man
to die for this country in Massachusetts, and he's black.
This country would not be what it is without us.

(42:05):
And I think Martin Luther King represents the best of us,
but he ain't the only one of us that there
were people around him, and only a half a dozen
of us have been to college. I mean, most of
us learn learn from the streets, and they learned from

(42:26):
our experiences. But the I mean Louis Armstrong grew up
in my neighborhood in New Orleans. He didn't I don't
think anybody ever gave him trumpet lessons. He just picked
up the thing and made it blow. And and the
thing that I'd like to remind people is that he's
a man who grew up in one of the poorest

(42:48):
neighborhoods in New Orleans, and he sings It's a wonderful world.
And there's Ray Charles who's blind, and there's a big
piano out in all ben and Georgia where he grew up,
and he sings America the Beautiful. But he doesn't start

(43:08):
with though, but the spacious skies. He starts with a
little beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strife, who more
than self their country loved and mercy modern life. And
we take the history of this country and the history
of this planet and we turn it into a piece

(43:30):
of music or a symbol of grace. If we do something,
we do it with style, you know, and it's and
no matter what it is, we do it better.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
What was the issue, the real issue between Martin Luther
King Jr.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
And Malcolm X.

Speaker 17 (43:52):
You know, there was no issue. The difference was that
Martin Luther King learned in coll Malcolm X learned in jail.
But Malcolm X read the Dictionary and the Bible. Say,
and when Martin came back with the Nobel Prize, we

(44:14):
worked in Harlem and the Armory. And when we came
in the back door, who was standing act in the
back door with Malcolm X. Two people, Malcolm X and
Nelson Rockefeller. And Malcolm X said, I just wanted to
thank you for all that you've done, and I want
you to know that I am with you in anything

(44:36):
you want me to do. But I think that it's
probably better strategy if you and I don't seem to
be so close, and said, that's why I'm not going
to come in there with you in public.

Speaker 12 (44:51):
He wasn't trying to profile.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Disparage Malcolm.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
You see disparage Martin publicly sometimes though we'll call him
Uncle Tom.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
That was his brand.

Speaker 17 (45:01):
It wasn't. It wasn't Malcolm so much as it was
that whole whole crowd around Elijah Muhammad.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Now, but Martin was close to Elijah too.

Speaker 17 (45:11):
It seems like I know, well, because we're unable because
when we came to if we went into town, like
when we went to Chicago, we got all the big
preachers together and and got them to agree that we
would be there with them and that they could tell

(45:33):
us what they wanted us to do. Now, some didn't
like it, and some just didn't want anybody to have
a profile but them, and we just went on around them.

Speaker 12 (45:46):
By the way, when he became mayor, just the point
about playing people playing their roles. When he became mayor
of Atlanta, the civil rights leaders his friends. The second
day he was mayor, they picketed him. So he went
outside and said, what are you guys doing. They said, well,
you're the mayor now, so you got your job, we
got ours. And he accepted that. So Malcolm was playing
his lane, is playing his role publicly, but privately he

(46:09):
respected doctor King.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Now, if you're just joining us, we're still talking with
Andrew Young, civil.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Rights activist, politician work very closely to Martin Luther King Junior, Charlomagne.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
If the dirty work documentary could teach one lesson to
this generation and the next generation, or organizes what would
you want it to be.

Speaker 17 (46:25):
There is some dirty work in any struggle for freedom.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
But dirty work could be hard work.

Speaker 17 (46:33):
Dirty work could be thoughtful work, you know, whatever nobody
else wants to do. Like we didn't want to mess
with money, and John decided that he was going to
teach folk how to that you can't be free without voting,
but neither can you be free of you broke. And
so teaching people how to manage money, how to save money,

(46:53):
how to invest money, how to know the meaning of
money to your salvation and survival. That's another issue altogether,
but communications is an issue.

Speaker 12 (47:09):
And so don't be afraid of doing the dirty work.
Embrace it it is. It's noble work. It's not dirty work, yeah,
is that right?

Speaker 17 (47:17):
That's not only is it noble work? Is is the
kind of work that that has to be done.

Speaker 12 (47:24):
So when when when Charlemagne was doing that internship way
back when, and that in that first radio program, and
when people noticed you that was the dirty work. Absolutely,
I'm sure you've done dirty work in your career. You've
always not been both of you and I always been
sitting here at prime time. You've had to hustle, You've
had to do things and jobs nobody else wanted.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I still do the dirty work now maybe.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Needbe.

Speaker 12 (47:50):
And the work you're doing with with mental health, the foundation,
you're doing the stuff that nobody sees. The conversation that
we have that at two in the morning about about
life in general, all that's the dirty work. And raising
your children is the most honorable version, raising your pain,
paying school fees, like, we've got to be about the basics.

(48:12):
We got to get back to the basics and be
about we and not just about me. That's really who
he is. And I spent most of his interview trying
to draw him out. You can see him.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
This is good. John O'Brien, thank you for bringing this, this,
this walking memorial, this iconic, this icon living. Mister Andrew Young,
thank you for coming, brother, Thank you for having men.
That's right and check out the dirty work on What's.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
A PEAKBC globally on MSNBC globally.

Speaker 17 (48:43):
Thank you, brother, thank you, and thank all of your audience. Yes, sir,
this is college on the radio.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I like that. That's a word.

Speaker 17 (48:55):
If you didn't have money to go to college listening.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
That's right, Yeah, thank you the breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
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Speaker 1 (49:22):
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Speaker 2 (49:24):
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Speaker 1 (49:32):
Say it with me.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
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though I'm not gonna lie. Okay, Marina did something that
I always tell y'all to do. I'll always tell y'all
to do your prison math. Okay, do your jail math.
Before you do something, before you jump out the window
and commit a crime, always ask yourself how.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Much is this going to cost you? Okay? Everything from
bond to lawyer and.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Especially their time. If you're sinners, can you afford to
do what it is you're.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
About to do? Now?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Some people just move off of motion and they just
act okay, they just go. But some people move off strategy.
They ask questions, they playing things out. Those are the
people that I respect. Those are the people that are
truly dangerous. You're now in the comic book world. We
say Batman can beat anyone with prep time. That's how
I feel about people who prep before they do a
crime and calculate the prison math in their head. Okay,

(50:27):
they calculate the jail math in their heads. See, there
is a part of me who respects what Marina did,
even though she's dead.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Wrong.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Okay, well, damn it, uncle Charlotte, the suspensions killing me.
Will you tell me what she did already?

Speaker 9 (50:39):
Well?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
According to an arrest of Affidavid obtained by Law and Crime,
an officer was dispatched to an undisclosed location to respond
to an argument between two people regarding stolen property.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
When the cops got there, Marina told them she came
to the location to retrieve stolen shoes from a seventy
two year old unidentified and at some point during the encounter,
Marina allegedly turned to an officer and asked them in Spanish,
how much would the bond be if I smacked her?

(51:12):
See this is Batman prepping once again. She turned to
the officer and asked the officer how much would the
bond be if I smacked her. Now, it doesn't say
what the officer responded, but Marina must have thought she
could afford it because she walked up to the seventy
three year old and proceeded to smack him in the face. Okay,
see one thing about me. I respect everybody's choices. I

(51:36):
may not agree with the choice you make, but I
respect when someone makes a calculated choice, because when you
choose to do something, then to me, you have also
chosen the consequences of what comes with that choice.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Marina did her dirt in front of the police.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
She even asked the officer how much would the bond
be if I smacked her? And then she went and
handled her business, So that means she got to handle
these consequences, okay, the same way. Now, what I don't
respect is that the person she smacked was seventy two.
Now seventy two not the same seventy two. It used
to be a lot of these seventy two year olds
got that elder script. They will put you on your ass,

(52:09):
but that is still considered elderly. And Marina, you sixty three, okay,
even though you can get you know, discounted meals that
I hop there's absolutely no reason for you to be
smacking a seventy two year old person in the face
over no damn stolen shoes.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
See.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I respect you being cold and calculated and making a choice,
but over some damn shoes. I need to know what
kind of shoes they were. Okay, person was seventy two,
so I know they ain't no heat. Okay, if they
weren't Michael Jordan's nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals, the Air
Jordan thirteen's, or the Nike Air Yeezy one prototypes, I
don't see the point of the smack.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Okay, well they did a Nike Back to.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
The Future joints, the Flu Game, Jordan's, and I'm talking
about the ones Michael actually wore in the game. If not,
I don't see what shoes could be worth it between
the sixty three year old and the seventy two year old.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Maybe it wasn't the shoes, Maybe it was the principal.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
All I'm saying is when you make decisions like this,
at least let it be worth it, especially when you're
already out on bond for resisting arrests and battery on
a law enforcement officer.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Oh I didn't tell y'all that part. Damn Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Marina was out on bond for resisting arrest and battery
on a law enforcement officer, but that didn't stop her
from doing some prison math, doing some jail math in
her head and calculating that smacking this seventy two year
old woman was absolutely worth it. Her bomb was one
thousand dollars. But you still have to factor in, you know,
fighting the case. And something tells me that she cannot

(53:30):
afford an attorney, but one will be provided for her.
Please let Marina go Naga, get the sweet out of
the Hamiltons.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
You oh the day, oh the day.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Ye always do your jail math, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Okay, jail math is probably the easiest math to do nowadays.
I know that math that my kids be bringing home
is complicated. But when you're in a situation, all you
got to do is just think about it.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Is it worth it?

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Can I afford to do what it is I'm about
to do. I like the question.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
I like that question. How much would I get if
I you know? How much? Already? You got to calculate
a little different.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
But anyway, She's like, ah, you know, because I'm already
up and you know I'm already in the rear.

Speaker 1 (54:32):

Speaker 7 (54:34):
What's another couple of stacks if I smack her, because
you know she needs to be smacked. Now, I don't
respect her smacking and elderly.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
She's elderly too, but just not on the same elderly Yeah,
you know level.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I mean, listen, she made a calculated decision, calculating choice.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
So all I ever ask of yall is to do
your jail math if you feel like you can afford it.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Handy your business in the dis koind of Ip is
fifty five and plus when you fifty five, that's me
the discount.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
She's sixty three. She's sixty three, so she knows a
Discount's got check just in case. All right, well that
thank you for that donkey.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Today morning, everybody, it's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Da Gott.
We are the Breakfast Club Lawn the Roses here as well,
and we have a special guest in the building, CNN anchor,
senior political correspondent and hosts of Newsnight with Abby Phillip.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Ladies and gentlemen, Abby Phillip, how are you? I am good.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
I'm good. I'm hanging in there.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
New books out, but Dream the third Jesse Jackson in
the Fight for Black Political Power. I'm from South Carolina,
so I completely understand Jesse Jackson, and you know why
he deserves all all the praise. But why did you
decide to write this book?

Speaker 18 (55:39):
I think that there are a lot of people who
have no idea that he ran for president, honestly, and
they don't And if they know that he ran for president,
they probably don't have any idea that he came second
in the Democratic nomination in nineteen eighty eight, so he
was the runner up, and before Obama there was Jesse Jackson.

(56:02):
And I think this chapter really is more important now
than ever. Back in the eighties, I think people didn't
have any way to know that what Jesse Jackson did
really mattered in the long term, but it clearly mattered
because had he not run, Obama wouldn't have been the nominee.
Had he not run, I don't know that you would

(56:23):
have like a Bernie Sanders or an AOC or even
a Zoron Mamdani. I mean, these are people who are
running on basically the same platform that Jesse Jackson ran on,
and he really transformed Democratic politics, not to mention registering
millions of voters and putting in place a lot of

(56:43):
the people that you know, people like Donna Brazil, Mignon Moore,
and so many others who are leaders in the Democratic Party,
they are all there because of Jesse Jackson. And the
back of your book, the praises, Yeah, you say, like
the first one talks about how he doesn't tell Jesse
Jenson doesn't get credit for how influential on American politics
as he was. What credit do you want people to

(57:04):
give him after they read your book?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (57:06):
I mean, I think that he transformed the structure of
the Democratic Party that made it easier for outsiders to
come in and disrupt the system.

Speaker 9 (57:15):
I think that's really what his original goal was.

Speaker 18 (57:18):
When he was running for president, he was basically saying
to the Democratic Party, you have to take us seriously
as black voters, and not just black voters, but all
kinds of other voters. He brought Arab Americans into the
voting process. He insisted on women being on the ticket.
That's why Democrats had a woman on the ticket in

(57:38):
nineteen eighty four. He insisted on Asian Americans being part
of the political process. So what he was arguing for
was a political system that actually takes everybody seriously. And
I do think we're closer to that now than we
were in the eighties, and he.

Speaker 9 (57:57):
Deserves a lot of credit for that.

Speaker 18 (57:59):
But I also think, you know, this is not about
any kind of judgment about what you know or don't
know about this particular chapter of history. But it's important
to know that Jesse Jackson, like so many other of
these leaders in our history, they had a lot of chapters,
and this was a really significant chapter. I mean, he

(58:20):
ran for president two times, he almost won the nomination.
During one of these campaigns, he went to Syria and
Cuba and brought prisoners of war back to the United States.
I mean, he was doing a lot of things that
if candidates were doing that today, we would be like,
what is that real? But he doesn't get a lot

(58:41):
of credit for and I think a lot of it
is because it was the first time that so many
Americans had ever seen a black man try to do
what he did. And I think it's important to remember
how much of a you know, just a barrier breaker
he was at that time.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
What was the single biggest myth or misconception you discovered
in you're reporting about either of those campaigns that you
wanted to correct, that.

Speaker 18 (59:03):
He was only running as a black candidate for black voters.
I think that's the biggest misconception. He was obviously very interested,
motivated by the desire to make sure that black people
utilize their power, not just cast a ballot, but had
leverage to get changes on the platform, policy things that

(59:27):
mattered to their day to day lives. But he was
also in Missouri with white farmers. He was also in
San Francisco with Asian American activists he had. That's why
he called it the Rainbow Coalition. I think people remember
him as being the candidate for black people, but he
actually brought, as he said he would, a rainbow of

(59:50):
people into the political process. And he does not get
very much credit for how much appeal he had among
white voters, especially when he ran the second time around.
There's this great picture I have in the book of
him at a rally with a bunch of white farmers
in like their overalls, and they all have paper bags

(01:00:10):
on their heads with their eyes cut off because they're
they're trying to hide their faces from the FEDS who
were trying to basically foreclose on their farms, and there's
Jesse Jackson in the background with all of these white
people rallying alongside them, and that's, for me, an iconic
photo that kind of shows that he had the same

(01:00:32):
energy for our community as he did for all of
those other people, and he was arguing to them, look,
we have the people who are trying to divide us
along racial lines, are trying to make you think that
you don't have as much in common as a working
class black person, and that's a lie. And then a
lot of people diminish that part of his campaign because

(01:00:55):
it's easier to sort of just put him in a
box of, oh.

Speaker 9 (01:00:57):
He was just a black candidate for black people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Because you know, you talk about a lot in the
book about the unlikely coalition he put together. It seems
unlikely back then, but now it's like the norm. Right,
exactly the President Obama did or what VB tried to do.
I mean all candidates try to do it. Where did
he fall short back?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Didn't you think?

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
There were a lot of things that happened.

Speaker 18 (01:01:15):
I think some of them were his own mistakes, and
I write about those in the book.

Speaker 9 (01:01:19):
I mean, he had a very big controversy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Well, the Jewistler.

Speaker 18 (01:01:23):
Yeah, he used to a slur against Jews in private,
and then it became public and he had a hard
time figuring out how to deal with it and was
slow in addressing it, and that really dogged him for
the especially for the nineteen eighty four campaign, but it
had an impact on eighty eight too.

Speaker 9 (01:01:42):
I think the other part of.

Speaker 18 (01:01:43):
It was that he was a true outsider candidate. He
had almost no establishment support. You know, he was like
what Bernie Sanders was in twenty sixteen, where nobody wanted
to touch him among establishment Democrats, and so it was
harder for him to build a real campaign that had

(01:02:05):
the infrastructure that he needed to take advantage of the
momentum when he did encounter momentum. But I would say
the other thing is that he was completely discounted as
a candidate. I mean I went back and I read
virtually everything that was written about Jesse Jackson in those
two campaigns, and the way they talked about him as

(01:02:26):
if he was a gadfly candidate is you know, they
really did not take him seriously in the media, and
back in that time, there was no way to bypass
the mainstream media. And I do think a lot of
times if he were running today, I mean, he was
such a master of the press, of narrative, of really

(01:02:48):
breaking through, but there was no Internet, and if he
had had that, I think it would have been a
different story because so much of his message just never
got to people.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
I we have more with Abbey Phillip when we come back,
moves to Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Good Morning.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It's so silly and mead and let's got lead you back.

Speaker 19 (01:03:08):
Went up or I can think about it since I
see you, least I know.

Speaker 10 (01:03:15):
I didn't have to walk a play. All I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Do was ask for space.

Speaker 19 (01:03:22):
I'm telling you beyond you quay when I told.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
You to fall back?

Speaker 19 (01:03:27):
So can you compick up your colza folding open and
no bas cold? But it is not Susan compick your coat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Morning.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess hilarious, Charlomagne the gud we
are to Breakfast Club, Lona Roses here as well. We're
still kicking with seeing an anchor and host of Newsnight
with Abbey Phillip.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Abbey Phillips, Charlamagne.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
One of the few black women on cable news with
their own show, especially you, because you know you have
your own Ringbow Collision that you bring together every night
with all of these different voices. Do you feel like
you get a lot of that, a lot of criticism.

Speaker 18 (01:04:25):
Look, I don't want people to misunderstand this. I am
not at all saying that I am at the caliber
of people like Jesse or anybody else who's really putting
their body on the line to make the world a
better place.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
However, what you do is important.

Speaker 9 (01:04:40):
But I play a role, like.

Speaker 18 (01:04:41):
We all have a role, and this is mine and
I and and in a way, yeah, people are very
easy to be like, well, she shouldn't give this person
a platform, she shouldn't do this, she shouldn't do that.
And I do think it's super easy to say that
when you're just at home, like watching the clips on
your phone. And I've been covering politics a long time.

(01:05:04):
This is a time in our political life where we
have to really know what's going on, and we have
to know what everybody is saying on all sides of
the issue, because I don't think that ignorance has served
anybody well. And particularly I get a lot of criticism

(01:05:26):
from the left, from people who are like, why does
she have maga people on the show? And it's like, well,
you should know what they're saying, because just so you know,
half the country voted for Trump and for trump Ism,
and it's not helpful to be completely unaware of what

(01:05:50):
is happening in those media ecosystems. So I personally think
it's super important and I want the debate, like we
need to have that debate. I want it to be
right there, out in the open. And I also think
that it's important for people on both sides to practice

(01:06:13):
being challenged, because what we've found on the show is
that a lot of people are not used to being challenged.
And when they when they have somebody literally staring them
in the face saying I disagree with you, for some people,
they're like really taken aback, Like they don't really know
how to deal with that, how to counter it, how
to be quick, how to respond. And I think that

(01:06:34):
is a really important skill in our politics, that we
can go back and forth on the issues and we
can really hash it out. And I, you know, I'll
take the criticism from all sides, but I am very
proud of what we do because I think that very
few people are willing to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
Very few people are willing to take the chance of.

Speaker 18 (01:06:57):
Even being criticized, and I don't mind it, like that's
part of the job.

Speaker 10 (01:07:02):
What about because I know with your show there's some
moments that are like very hard hitting, right, what about
when that becomes like too much for you? Because I've
seen people step away from those debate style shows because
it personally becomes too much and is triggering for them,
especially for black women. How do you kind of cause
you get back up and do it again the next day,

(01:07:22):
Like what is your.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
That's my responsibility.

Speaker 18 (01:07:26):
I unfortunately can't step away, but I understand when people do,
and I actually think that is totally good and healthy.
I think it's important to know your limits. And you
know what the good news about me not being able
to step away so that it's my show and I
can draw the lines when I need to draw the lines,

(01:07:47):
and if you watch, as I know you do, like
you've seen the times when I've had to draw some
lines at the table and I don't do it that
often because I wanted to be not that common because
when I do, it's like when your mom, you know,
really tells you it's time to stop that's kind of

(01:08:10):
how I want it to be, where it's not like
that happens all the time. But you know that when
I've reached my limit, it's the end, that's the limit.
And I think that's that I can because I'm the host.
I can draw those lines around the kind of conduct
that I will accept.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
At the table.

Speaker 18 (01:08:28):
And I have control over who shows up and who doesn't.
And so for me, I take that on the weight
of having to show up every single day. But I
don't discount any person saying I need to take a break,
I need a moment, because I think that's actually healthy

(01:08:49):
for all of us, that we we should take care
of ourselves and our own well being even while we
try to stay engaged. And I fully, I fully support
that and I and I also will say Lauren that
I think there are definitely people who cross the line
and that's part of the dynamic that is not within

(01:09:13):
our control. And and that's okay. I mean, well, look,
I mean the more maybe the most famous one was that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
You cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery did just
one race, which is pretty much what every single exhibit does.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
But why is this in the Smithsonian so it's Look,
it's it's.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
Been completely captured. It's totally We don't have time to
litigate because.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
The argument everything is racialized, just like you're trying to
do to me.

Speaker 18 (01:09:46):
Now, you brought up slavery, and you brought up you
did you brought up one question of whether or not
slavery in the United States is about race?

Speaker 9 (01:09:56):
The answer is no, idea.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
The state straw because that's not what I said.

Speaker 18 (01:10:02):
So what are you Well, yeah, there was Jillian Michaels,
but I you know, you know, I'll say, honestly, Jillian
Michaels crossed the line in the sense that she said
something that was kind of embarrassing, and we addressed it,
but we never said to her, you're not welcome back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Yeah, and I don't think.

Speaker 18 (01:10:23):
I just think, yeah, that's her. She made a decision
not to want to come back. But yeah, she The
thing about that was that she actually was talking about
something that was important for us for people to be
aware of was actually happening. Because right after she said
what she said about slavery and how it's overemphasized at

(01:10:47):
museums and then the Smithsonian, guess who said the same thing,
the President, So if you had watched our show a
couple of days before, you would have known what was coming.
And it's not just that she said it, but President
said it, and then it it actually became the policy
that they're trying to implement at the White House. So

(01:11:07):
I thought it was actually super important that that was
put out there, because I think people were not aware
of the extent to which slavery was the core thing
that they were mad about in terms of how it
was being represented in our museums. So she again, I
think you're right, Like I don't think that we I
just would describe that as crossing the line, but we

(01:11:29):
addressed it as an important conversation that needed to be
factually addressed. But there was another incident with a person
who was on the show who said to another guest
that a Muslim guest that their pager would go off
to medi It was a reference to the Israeli They

(01:11:49):
had like put bomb materials in pagers of the Huthi
terrorists and they went off.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
If you don't want to be called Nazis, stop people
by me. I never cluse you, anyswer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I mean I'm not saying or saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I'm a subpart of the Pupestinians. I'm used to it. Well,
I hope your paper doesn't go off. The thing is
is that you should not know you should be kill No,
I did not say.

Speaker 18 (01:12:16):
That that was an actual line that was crossed, because
you wishing death on a guest on the show is
completely unacceptable. And he was told, and I said publicly
on the show. He was not invited back. And so
there are lines that are crossed, and I think people
understand that I'll draw them when they need to be drawn.

(01:12:38):
But I also think that we want to have real conversations.
Sometimes they get a little bit messy and and that's okay.
But I also think, you know, disrespecting people in a
way that is inhumane, or you know, just there are
some lines that we don't want to cross, and we'll
draw those lines publicly and I'll let every know what's

(01:13:00):
going on. But for the most part, we're not We're
trying to encourage speech, not trying to squelch it.

Speaker 10 (01:13:07):
If Jesse Jackson Wright was able to actually become president president,
get in office, just do things for people that he
cared about, how would Barack Obama's presidency have been different.
Kamala Harris just on this run, feeling like she has
to dodge certain things and can't speak straight to black people.
How would all that be different if he had been
able to get in office and do what he was
doing before he was voted president or not voted.

Speaker 9 (01:13:29):
That's really interesting. It's such an interesting question.

Speaker 18 (01:13:31):
I mean, I think one of the reasons that Vice
President Harris and Barack Obama have had to present a
certain way to the American public is the perception that
a broad swath of the electorate, especially white voters, won't
take a black candidate seriously unless they are very buttoned up,

(01:13:55):
have the resume all lined up, the whole thing. And
that's accurate, right that, Like we all understand that you
kind of have to clear a higher bar in order
to even be let in the door. And I do
wonder if the country had successfully elected a black president
who was running on a progressive platform thirty years ago,

(01:14:18):
whether they would have that same burden. And I don't know,
maybe they would not have. You know, one of the
things about Jesse Jackson is that his fluency in a
wide range of issues as somebody who never was elected
to political office, who came out of the segregated South

(01:14:40):
who came out of a civil rights tradition. He was
right up there with all the other candidates on the
debate stage, talking about foreign policy, talking about economic policy,
giving speeches. I mean, I would talk to people who
would say that they would give him, you know, like
a thirty minute briefing, and he would go in there
and he would weave a whole speech around an issue.

(01:15:01):
He could take information in and very quickly turn it
around into something that was compelling to an audience. And
so he had a kind of intellect that was not
very respected at the time. And I do think that,
you know, if the country had elected a black president,
I think candidates today who are running who are like

(01:15:24):
Kamala Harris or Barack Obama would not have to would
not have to do so much to show white Americans
in particular that they're qualified and that they have the basic,
you know, qualifications to fit the job. I think that
added burden is one of the reasons that it's hard

(01:15:46):
then to turn around and say to those same candidates, well,
you've got to be authentic, because that same authenticity is
what they get knocked for early on in their career.
So it is I'm not suggesting that it's easy. I
think it is difficult. You have to be able to
do both things. And actually, I would say Obama actually
did both things pretty well. He was incredibly credentialed, but

(01:16:08):
he was incredibly authentic in the communities where he needed
to be authentic in And I do think that it
is possible to do it, but it is absolutely a
higher bar, and it's a higher bar still to this day,
because we've only done it once elected a black person
to the highest office in the land, and so there's
still a lot that has to be dealt with in

(01:16:28):
terms of people's preconceived notions of what people of color
can do at high levels of political office.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
My last question, when Cameron took a sip of pink
Horsepower on your show, like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
You just took a sip of that, right and you
were gonna write this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
And then when Cam said he was going to get
some cheeks after your interview, did you understand what was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Happening in that moment?

Speaker 18 (01:16:50):
Is there something known in the industry about how did
he treated his artists?

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Charmon gets some cheeks after this horse.

Speaker 18 (01:17:00):
College, I knew that we needed to end the interview Obviously,
I knew we needed to end the interview. We were
up against the end of the show, and we didn't.
We had to get to a certain time, so you know,
I had to land that plane and I did, and look,

(01:17:23):
I mean it was ridiculous, but as we know, that
was the point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
So the person who had to transcribe the show afterwards
ask you what that meant.

Speaker 9 (01:17:33):
We need to get some Well we all were just like,
what just happened?

Speaker 18 (01:17:37):
Yeah, you know, I mean, whatever, it's I'm not going
to give this much more oxygen because I know that's
part of the point. I know he was here a
little while ago talking about it. I'm sure he did before.
It wasn't like it wasn't personal anything with you. He
just felt like the network only hits him up for
things that aren't about what he does outside of it.

(01:17:57):
All I will say is that we are told by
his team that he wanted to talk about this, not
the other way around. So that's we Obviously, we don't
book people about things they don't want to talk about,
So we would never bring someone on the show and
force them to talk about something that they didn't agree
to talk about.

Speaker 9 (01:18:16):
So I don't know, I.

Speaker 18 (01:18:18):
Mean, everybody, we have free will. We can do what
we want. But like I said, I knew immediately. Actually
we knew pretty early on in the interview that we
needed to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
As as possible.

Speaker 9 (01:18:32):
You know, it was I mean it was from the
from the get go.

Speaker 18 (01:18:37):
Yeah, I'm not new to this, Like I know, from
the beginning when somebody is not interested in being and
being interviewed, and so we knew we needed to get out.
But it was just a timing thing, you know, when
you're at the end of the show. And he was
actually supposed to be on the show earlier but was late,

(01:18:57):
and so we we would just figure ring out how
quickly we could hand off to Laura Coates at eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Put you in a good class, and Cam's got some
really good interviews with news and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Some great moments.

Speaker 10 (01:19:15):
They'll get sat on the playlist somewhere.

Speaker 9 (01:19:17):
Absolutely absolutely not. We are not. That is not a class.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
And I think you said I want to be he
said was his favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I asked him which one with the and is a
Cooper sixty Minutes interview the bill O'Reilly? When he was
like you mad you mad Abbey film? He said yes
because he sold a big horse power.

Speaker 9 (01:19:35):
I'm happy for.

Speaker 18 (01:19:37):
I'm happy for him, but.

Speaker 10 (01:19:43):
You know, stuff like that personally when it happens.

Speaker 9 (01:19:46):
No, absolutely, not.

Speaker 10 (01:19:48):
Not personally, but just like, why you why my show?
I'm I'm a black Like why me?

Speaker 9 (01:19:54):
No?

Speaker 18 (01:19:54):
I you know what, let me just I'll just say
this because I don't I've never talked I've actually never
talked about this before.

Speaker 9 (01:20:01):
But when that happened.

Speaker 18 (01:20:03):
Our booker who booked that interview was a young woman
and she was very upset about it, and I said
to her afterwards, and I said to my entire team,
I was like, this is not going to be a
reason that we play it safe. We are not going
to take this as a moment to say, oh, this

(01:20:25):
happened to us, we can't have people like that on
our air.

Speaker 9 (01:20:28):
Again.

Speaker 18 (01:20:29):
I don't believe in that. I think that we are.
We are out here trying to to hear from people
who are interesting and different, and maybe sometimes it goes left.
But I'm not gonna this is We're not gonna come
down on you for booking this interview because we want
to bring interesting people onto the show and it was

(01:20:52):
important to me to convey to them that we're not
gonna go into a little ball and be like, oh
my god, this went viral and this was were saying, no,
this too shall pass. Like he had his moment, It
was fine. I don't really care do I wish he
didn't do that on the air yet, But but I'm

(01:21:13):
not using it as an excuse to say that we're
going to play it safe on television, because that's not
what we're doing here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
So fantastic booking.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
What's her name, fantastic book every night.

Speaker 18 (01:21:29):
She unfortunately she moved to a different city, so she's
no longer with us. But yeah, but we listen. It
wasn't just her. I told her boss too, and I
was like, we are not. We are not going to
treat this like some kind of major mistake because it
was not. It is television, and sometimes in television you

(01:21:51):
have guests and you don't know what they're going to say,
and the whole point of TV is not to be
predictable and boring, So let's not do that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
I thoroughly enjoy your bookings. I thoroughly enjoy your show.
Make sure y'all watch Abby Phillip on CNN News Night
every night at ten, and then there's table for five
comes on at.

Speaker 18 (01:22:08):
O'clock am on Saturday Saturdays, and don't forget to buy
the book.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yes, Dream Deferred, it's out right now, Jesse Jackson in
the fight for Black political power, it's Abby Philip, It's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
The Breakfast Club. You got a positive note? I do
have a positive note.

Speaker 12 (01:22:22):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
I want y'all to develop an attitude of gratitude and
give thanks for everything that happens to you, knowing that
every step forward is a step toward achieving something bigger
and better than your current situation.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Breakfast Club, you don't

Speaker 9 (01:22:36):
Finish for y'all done.

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