September 13, 2026 • 47 mins
The Black Effect Presents... TMI!
Tamika D. Mallory and Mysonne discuss the upcoming election season and GOTV organizing costs, then discuss meeting Florida U.S. Senate candidate Angie Nixon and why turnout, independents, and general-election participation could change the race. They talk about Roc Nation affiliate Emory Jones receiving a presidential pardon and push back on criticism of celebrating someone who served time and rebuilt his life, while still critiquing Trump’s broader impact. Tamika’s “thought of the day” on the murder of 27-year-old Lavoy Williams and the domestic violence crisis, highlighting WARM NYC, before they debate backlash over Fat Joe using the N-word and how offense, culture, geography, and consequences shape the conversation.
OP Date: September 9, 2026
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Tameka D. Mallory.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
And it's your boy, Myson the General.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are your host of TMI.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Tameka and Myson's information, truth, motivation, and inspiration.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
New name, new energy, but.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Same old us. How you doing, Tameka D. Mallory?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm doing good. Doing good, Myson. What's going on with you?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Nothing. How was your Labor Day weekend? It was good.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You know, I got I had a restful weekend. I
did a couple of, you know, fun things, exciting things.
But for the most part, I rested. Shout out to
Don Poo, our brother, who we love so much and
really celebrate him for all his accomplishments for a black
man to have multiple restaurants between Times Square, Lower Manhattan,
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Dubai and.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
One year anniversary in Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
You know, it's really just good to see him maintain
that and maintain a good, positive, just always the same
energy with everybody, everywhere he goes.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
He's so loved.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So I was down in Miami celebrating his one year anniversary.
Shout out to his wife, Nikki, who has been a
laborer as well to help him build his empire.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And I got a chance to be with Yandy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
At a dope celebration where a whole bunch of fancy
people showed up to, you know, to celebrate poo.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And so that was one thing.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And then also I went to the Orange Bowl, which
is a game between FAMU and another college. But it
was South Carolina this particular time. And South Carolina beat them.
We were there rooting for FAMU. And, you know, I
got to hang out with the people who do the lawyering.
Attorney Ben Crump and Attorney Sue Ann Robinson and a
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bunch of other folks. Shout out to our guy, the
former councilman, Reggie Leon. So he is no longer in
elected office, but he will be running for mayor soon.
at least we're trying to encourage him and make sure
that he runs for mayor. He's going to be mayor
Leon in Miami gardens. So, you know, had, had a
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good time being with all the folks, but in between,
I just kept resting. I threatened many times to go out.
I'm going to show up at X, Y, Z event,
but I didn't go.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So it was good.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And lots of storms, you know, the weather, as we
see every year around this time of year, The storms.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Are always very, very massive.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's just, you know, the nature of the Caribbean and
the islands and whatnot, and obviously Florida is so attached
to those places. But there's been some lightning that is
a little disturbing to me. Maybe other people are not
experiencing it, but I heard some lightning in New York
last week that was like very, very, very strong. It
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was like real scary. I haven't heard lightning like that
in a long time. And the same was happening in Florida.
This lightning that's like the world is just crashing.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So that's it. I just rested.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, it sounds pretty eventful. Shout out to Don Poole
for congratulations on his one year. You know, I wish
I could have been there, but I was a soccer
dad this weekend. My son just started his soccer season. Actually,
this weekend, Saturday was the first game. So they had
a tournament. And when they went to the championship, we
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had a two-day tournament, and they won one game the
first day, lost the second, and did the same thing,
and they lost in the championship on Sunday. But they
went to overtime. You're watching these little kids play soccer
in intensity, and they went to a sudden death match
where you have to kick penalty goals. So they pick
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five or six players from their team, and they all
line up with the goalie, and they have to try
to kick the goal past the goalie. And whoever gets
the most wins. So, you know, they did the penalty goals.
And my son's best friend, who is like one of
the best players on the team, along with him, you know,
he missed his penalty goal. He was so pissed off
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because he usually doesn't miss stuff like that. And he
was crying. And, you know, I'm cheering him up. But
you could tell he took it really hard. But they
played so hard. You know, so I love the intensity
of the games. And it's teaching him character. And his
father was like, what are you crying for? But you
can tell he really took it hard. Because I remember
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a few years ago, a similar situation like that happened
with Keston. You know, he took it really hard, too.
But it was a real good game. Two of the
best games. The day before, they had played the same team.
And the team beat them by four goals. So... Now
when they met him in the championship, it was 1-1. Like,
they played really, really hard all the way to the end. And,
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you know, they lost. But it was a good thing.
So that's what I did. I also did a couple barbecues.
Shout out to the Westside Barbecues. Will Trax was DJing,
him and DJ E. Kim. So that was a cool
little situation. They had all types of barbecues all over
New York City. Then shout out to Blackbird. You know,
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one of my clients that I work with, they had
a barbecue. Shout out to Tanadrian Fleming. They had a
barbecue in Rockland. We went over there, ate food, listened
to music. And that was pretty much the end of it. Yesterday,
shout out to Lola Morena. Fabulous. And the whole Let's
Talk About It podcast was over there. So I spent
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it talking to my guys over there and we talked
about hip hop and You know, we had different debates
about different things. It was good to see them, you know.
It's not a lot of industry dudes that I'm actually
cool with, but actually it's crazy that all four of
them are people that I'm cool with. And Jim came
in there on his crutches, and they was making fun
of him because if you looked online, he was playing
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tennis and something cracked in his leg. So him and
Maino been making little jokes about his leg. But it
was a cool all-around cool weekend. you know, got to
have fun with the kids and go out for a
little while. So, you know, and the weather was actually
good here. There was no rain. It was none of that.
The weather was really good. It was cool, but hot
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at the same time. You know, it's that weird time
of year where the sun shines real, it'd be hot
in the sun. And then when you go in the shade,
you get chilly, you know, so the weather held up,
but it was a good time. Labor Day weekend was good.
I heard everybody was going to You know, it's also
been Caribbean weekend. They celebrated all of the Caribbean. Jube. Jube.
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They had Jube. They had all of it. So you
would see a lot of the Caribbean people walking around,
dressed up, whatever. So it was actually a good weekend.
You could tell the summer is over. That was it.
For sure.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
This is the last quarter of the year. And for us,
it represents the beginning.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Of the.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Fire alarm, GOTV, get everybody to the polls movement that
everybody that is somebody who knows the importance of this
election has to get involved in right now. And, you know,
that's what it's all going to be about the next
few weeks. Next two months, we will be drained. You know,
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a lot of people have expectations of us to show
up and to do the job. And you got to
fight over money. It's, you know, it doesn't just happen. Like,
I don't know why people have this impression that. that
in order to organize, it's free. You have to actually
go to the places that matter, right?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Not everywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yes, it is important that people vote in the midterms everywhere.
Anywhere that there's an election, you need to be voting.
But there are certain places that it matters more than
others because there are races and or just geographically, you
need to make sure that we get.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Our people out.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And so in order to do that, it's not just
sitting on.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The corner, which is important work.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And by the way, if you want to sit on
the corner of your block and register people, you should
have a little water, a snack, lunch. And if you're
taking time off of your regular job in order to
be able to do.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It, you still have to sustain yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So there is really literally nothing that you can do
that doesn't cost a thing. There's always going to be
some type if you are a real organizer. But for us,
we have to travel. You got to fight and hustle
back and forth to get the resources. So, you know,
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it's always a tough time of year, but we do
what we have to.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We do what we must.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
We definitely do. You know, speaking of Elections. I seen
you with Angie Nixon. I seen you took a picture
of Angie Nixon. I did.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I spent a nice amount of time with Angie Nixon.
She's running for Senate, the United States Senate in Florida.
She is credible, capable and ready. you know, she's a
serious sister, always has been, you know, I've always loved
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Angie Nixon anyway, just from afar.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I never really had an opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know, have a strong relationship with her, but we're
definitely leaning in. In my personal time, I'm going to
work with some of our sisters to get people on
the ground in Florida to support her. And, you know, and,
and just watching people respond to her at the FAMU game,
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you can see that Floridians are like, this is our girl.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And that's what we need.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We need Black folks to know that we have the
power to elect her.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
She can be elected.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
By the greatest turnout that Florida has ever had. We
have to remind people all the time that What's his name?
President Barack Obama won Florida. He won Florida. So if
he could do it, that means that the people are here.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You've got a line.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And I was talking to another state representative, a sister
who said that she was explaining to me the breakdown,
because the one thing we know is that more Republicans
voted in the primary, more Republicans voted in the primary
than Democrats. They didn't vote for Democrats. A Democrat, you know,
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everybody stays in their lane, obviously, in primaries. I don't
have to explain this to people they already know. But
more Republicans voted than Democrats. If the same thing happened,
she probably would not win. But what will make this
different is that independents enter the chat, right? And the
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independents will likely not vote for Donald Trump. And there
are a bunch of people who did not participate in
the primaries who will vote in the general election.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So, you know, we have a good data in the numbers.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
We have a real, real good shot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I love that, man. Like you said, I think Angie is,
as you would say that you're honest that I'm qualified.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, that's right. She's qualified.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Qualified. So we're talking about elected officials and we talk
about the government, you know. So last week it was
announced that Emory Jones, Jay-Z affiliate, Roc Nation affiliate, was
granted a presidential pardon. You know, Emory's a good friend
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of mine's, man. I love Emory. You know, we have
good conversations. He's Down to earth. He's been home a
lot of years and been doing a lot of work,
putting a lot of black athletes and entertainers in position.
He's worked. He works at Puma. He's designed shoes with
Nipsey Hussle. He's he's worked with ASAP Rocky. So to
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see him actually come home and do the work, you know,
serve his time and be granted that pardon. was a
blessing to me. So I celebrated it, you know, and,
and I don't, and I'm not, everybody knows that I
don't give a damn about Trump, but this is one
thing that was done properly. So I shouted him out
and the comments on my page were interesting. It was
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kind of actually like, when people found out that I
was on the transition team with the mayor. You know,
people started talking about, oh, why are you going to
have a criminal? Why are we celebrating a criminal? Why
would a criminal be this person? put in this type
of position and people were on there just talking crazy. Oh,
he was a drug dealer. Why do we care that
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a drug dealer is pouring? Why are you celebrating the
drug dealer? And it was so crazy to me. And
I'm just listening. I'm writing. There's a lot of people
that was happy for him, but it was a lot
of people that wasn't. And I'm like, why are people
angry that someone who changed their life around has come
back to society and been a productive member of It's
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receiving a pardon. You know, isn't that the goal? The
goal is for if you make a mistake, you pay
your debt to society. You know, you go to rehabilitation.
That's what a prison is supposed to do, rehabilitate you.
So when you come back to society, that you can
be productive. You know, a lot of people don't understand
when you get criminal charges and federal charges, you know,
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there's collateral damage that comes even after you served your time.
So you can't travel to certain places. You know, you're
not allowed in certain places, certain opportunities you don't have
based on the fact that you have this felony. You know,
so now he can actually live his full life. You know,
someone who's doing the work that he's doing should be
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able to travel to all of the countries without being stopped,
without being held. You know, I was held. I went
to on tour with the game years ago. And because
of my felony, I was, you know, held. in customs
in Australia for three days, you know, and pretty much
in their jail until I was shipped back because I
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had a felony, you know, so I was happy for him.
And I just don't understand why people made it seem
like because someone did a crime and paid their debt
to society that they should not be able to thrive.
You know, I just don't understand that. I don't know
why people have this mind state.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, what I saw more than, I mean, I didn't
even pay attention to that, But in your comments, I
did see people saying, oh, now you have to celebrate Trump. And,
you know, oh, I thought you didn't like Trump. And
it's funny because, you know, I feel like we are
living in a world where no matter how much we
do or how much we say, people are just committed
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to either misunderstanding or missing the information. I don't know
of a time that someone said, Even people who are
not well known was pardoned by Trump that we didn't
say this is great.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
This is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like we're not people who are living in the world without.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Reason and common sense.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Donald Trump has pardoned a number of people.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
We know that we actually did a whole segment on
our show.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Some maybe probably last season, where we talked about President
Obama and his intentions in terms of trying to pardon
as he wanted to do one sweeping pardon of all
people with nonviolent drug offenses. And it was a couple
of different categories. And his people, his legal people, were
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working to get it done. But the Republicans blocked it
and would not allow him to free, you know, however
many people. So he had to do it, you know,
one by one, individually individually. at the end of his term. Nevertheless,
he was lit physically in.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
The process of trying, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He wanted to do something historic to get, you know,
to actually use pardons for what they're supposed to be for.
Pardons are supposed to be for people, as you said,
that have done their time. They have shown that they
are productive members of society and they are given a
second chance at life. sometimes it's for people who the
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government may say, we don't believe that they got a
fair trial or a fair shot. But most of the time,
pardons go to people, regardless of what they may have done,
they are now a productive member of society who is
supposed to get a second chance at, you know, at
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fulfilling their mission, passion, and the work of society.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So, you know, One, I don't care who pardons people.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I think that's the one thing that Donald Trump has
done that a lot of Black men, by the way,
have cited as a reason why they potentially support him.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Now, if we want to, what is the word?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
If we want to analyze that, right, and talk about
why I don't jump up and down because Donald Trump
has pardoned people in a way that makes me say
I can excuse all the other things that's happening.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Now, that we're not going to do.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
We're still going to have critical analysis of the full
context of who Donald Trump is and what harm he
has done to our community. In fact, I believe.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
that he has used.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Pardons and used this particular aspect of the criminal justice
system as a way to get some Black people and
particularly Black men to ignore the fact that some people
are going to jail right now because their mama don't
have a job. Their father does not have a job.
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They're losing housing, losing healthcare, losing the ability to survive.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So on one hand, They're sending people to jail.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And then on the other hand, he's allowing people with
big names and some people who might not have a
big name to, you know, me, but y'all know who
they are. You guys know who these people are that
have been receiving pardons. And so it's a trade off.
And for some people, all you got to do is
let big meat out and then you and you could
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be the hottest shit that ever happened. Meanwhile, you you
you over here putting people in economic situations and circumstances
that could have them doing whatever things Emory and whomever
else did when they're at a young age that puts
them in a cycle of this whole system all over again.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Makes 100% sense. So yeah, I definitely agree with that.
A lot of people were trying to make it seem
like we got to praise Donald Trump. We don't have
to praise Donald Trump. I can acknowledge that he did
something that I agree with. You know, there's very few
things that he does that I agree with. But, you know,
giving partners to a lot of, you know, some individuals
that I know who have served their time and deserve
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to be back free and deserve to be given back
the rights of a whole citizen. You know, I can
say that's a good thing, you know, without without acting
as if he's a good president. And that's just the
reality of that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What did what y'all say that I sometimes can't get right?
A broken clock is right twice a day. So there's that.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
There's that.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So, you know, my thought of the day today is surrounding.
this story in New York City where a young girl
opened the door for police who were there to do
a wellness check. And when she opened the door at
five years old, five years old, it was revealed that
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her mother had been beaten to death by a romantic partner.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't know if he was former or currently.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
This guy who is alleged to have killed her I
think his name is like Fly, Ty, or that's what
they call him. Supposedly, he's from a housing development in
New York City called St.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Nicholas Projects.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And there is a search for him and a call
for him to turn himself in for killing this woman.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Her name is LaVoy Williams. She was 27 years old.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And, you know, again, she was beaten to death by
a man, this man, likely, and her daughter, was there
to see what happened to her mother and then ultimately
there as the only person to be able to respond
to police when they arrived. And, you know, there's so
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much that comes up in me about stories like this.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So much love to one Stephanie McGraw.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
This is a sister who has an organization that deals
with domestic violence in New York City. And it's so
interesting that We were just all on vacation together in
Martha's Vineyard with Stephanie. It was her first time going
to the vineyard, taking some time off. Since Stephanie has
been back in New York City, I know of at
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least four different incidents that she's been involved in.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Where women's lives.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Have been taken and or they have had to be,
you know, sort of rescued from a very, very violent situation.
And in fact, the four situations that I know of,
those people, those women did not make it. But her
work every single day She works with Queen Afua, who,
you know, is helping and building a community of healed.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Women and families and men, of course, children.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And, you know, so she does that work as just
regular maintenance. But she also serves as kind of like
a triage for our community around domestic violence. And the
amount of stories that's popping up on her social media
and the way that her team is running, chasing behind
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These women who are being murdered by men, mostly romantic partners.
I think there was one incident that was like another
family member, but for the most part, it's romantic partners.
It's very scary. And by the way, she works in
the Black community, Black and Latino communities. So it is
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not to say that it's not happening in other communities.
And there are other organizations that do that work. But
she specifically serves us.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So if you.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Actually want to support WARM and you're listening, please look
them up. They are W-A-R-M-N-Y-C on Instagram. We All Really
Matter is the full name of our organization, Stephanie McGraw.
And she definitely needs support from all of us.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But it is very scary.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
The level of emotional intelligence and maturity that so many
men do not have, do not have the ability to
to walk away from situations, do not have the ability
to either do right or move on. Why, why, why,
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why do we have to bury women who, for the
most part, I already know because I've heard the stories
and you see it all the time, there are so
many Men who say, I don't even want you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't want to be with you.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
And then when a woman decides that she wants to
move on, they say that that is the most dangerous.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
This is what the stats say.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now, this is the data that proves that the most
dangerous time for a woman is when she is ready
to move on.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So a man has been moved.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Doing all the things, not paying attention to her or,
you know, or fighting or cheating or lying or doing
whatever things he may be doing.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And it is not until she gets.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Ready to walk away that he wants to fight to
the point where her life is taken. And so, you know,
LaVoy Williams, God bless, 27 years old, this young woman's
daughter and her community, her father, her family, they are
going to suffer something and experience, you know, a brutal,
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brutal reality that this woman's life was taken the way
that it was.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And guess what?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
They probably saw signs. They probably knew that he wasn't
good for her. And it seems that in the end,
she was killed by a coward, but she is not alone.
And I think that's the whole point of my thought
of the day is that it's not just happening to,
it's not just isolated incidents. of, you know, and very
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far in view between incidents of women who are being
killed by these emotionally unstable, very freaking, just cowardly men, right?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It's not just Few and far. It is happening very frequently.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And I know because working with alongside my sister, Stephanie,
out there, you know, she does violence prevention work as well,
but just from the domestic violence lens. It's so obvious
that there is a crisis in our society around women
who are not protected, one, and two, women who are
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not making good decisions when it comes to the men
that we are choosing to keep in our lives. And third,
what is the strategy for how a woman can get
out of a relationship safely without having her life taken?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Because she has decided that enough is enough.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's really sad. I was having a discussion months ago
with a guy who, he just was saying a bunch
of dumb stuff, but I was saying how domestic violence
is the number one form of violence in our communities,
you know, and I've always been adamant about men lacking.
There are certain men who lack a level of emotional
intelligence to where, you know, like you said, when women
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want to leave or they disagree or whatever, There's this
physical element. You know, they resort to this physical and
trying to overwhelm and try to beat them. And it's like,
it's terrible. You know, unfortunately, I know the guy, her father,
the young lady you're talking about, her father, he's someone
I know from the community, man. He's a good guy too, man.
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And seeing him on the news, it almost brought a
tear to my eyes. You know, knowing that this little
girl said that she laid by her mother and because
she thought she was asleep. He put her in the bed,
and she thought her mother was sleeping, so she laid
there all the time until somebody came and she opened
the door. It's really a sad situation, man. I hate
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the fact that there are males, because I don't even
call them men, males that would do that kind of
harm to a woman, or do any type of physical
harm to a woman based off you know, disagreements with
them not wanting to be with you, man. And that's
one of the things that we want to do at
Raising Kings is really focus on emotional intelligence, really focus
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on how to be able to take rejection, how to
be able to take, you know, a situation that you
might not like without being able, having or feeling that
you need to physically harm somebody. Because a lot of
our young boys are not being taught that. They're being taught,
you know, aggression, right? You know, to meet everything with aggression.
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You know, I hate the term toxic masculinity, but it's
actually toxic. You know, and they're being taught that that
is some level of esteem when you physically overpower anybody,
especially a woman who you should be able to physically overpower.
You know, so, you know, my condolences to her family.
You know, like I said, I know the father, man.
(29:16):
You know, I know it's going to be a rough
road ahead. It's crazy because one of my friends... literally
just DM'd me two days ago saying that one of
her friends was being beat by her boyfriend. He beat
her bad and she passed away four days later. He
had beat her, beat her, and four days later she
(29:37):
passed away and he wasn't even charged. They're still trying.
The mother said that they have videos, they got audio
of her talking about how he beat her and this
and that, and they're still trying to get him charged
and the police is trying to tell them that they
can't do nothing for them or they don't know what
to do. So I probably need to connect her with
Stephanie to see how Stephanie can help her in this process.
(29:58):
Because she literally just DM'd me again a few minutes ago.
And then I think it's someone in Harlem as well.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Terrible. And that would be, you know, a fifth case.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
In the last few weeks, just from the time that
we left Martha's Vineyard on August 24th until now, I'm
telling you that I have seen her engage in at
least four different cases of women being murdered.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Not slapped.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Murdered.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Unalived. And it's, you know, it's a real scary crisis
in our community.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It really is. Really is. So let me jump straight
to my, I don't get it. You know, there's been
this big debate and it's not just, it hasn't just happened,
but Fat Joe recently was on the Joe Button podcast.
You know, he was being asked some questions about backlash
that he received, you know, and him being a Latino
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from the Bronx, growing up in Forrest Projects and one
of the, you know, the most hip hop, cultural, you know,
black centered places inside the Bronx. You know, he grew
up in hip hop culture and, He uses the word
nigga with an A, you know, and a lot of
people don't like it. You know, he responded to the
(31:19):
backlash by saying, I'm one of the blackest niggas you know.
I've grown up in hip hop. I've been saying this.
And as far as I, as long as I've known Joe,
he's been utilizing the word nigga. I've grown up in
the Bronx, you know. And all the Puerto Ricans I know,
that's how we communicate with each other. My best friends
have been Puerto Rican. We communicate, nigga. That's just how
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we communicate. And I realize that there is a lot
of backlash from other people, from different states. And what
I don't get about it, right, is you can't tell
someone else what to be offended by. Right. Because I
can understand and I tell people all the time, you
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might have a friend that you and him communicate or
you and her communicate a certain way. You know, you
woman use the word bitch with each other. That's my
business and that and that. And somebody else from the
outside might look at the communication that you have with
your friend and be like, you know what? She couldn't
call me a bitch. But she's not calling you a bitch.
And if you was having that conversation, you have the
(32:25):
right to view our communication as a way that you
might not be okay with. Something that you might not,
you know, deem as something that you would do. But
you don't get to impose that on somebody else. So
what I said was, this is where you get to
pick and choose if you're offended. If somebody says the
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word nigga that I feel has malice, who is not
connected to this culture, who I feel that they're using
it in a derogatory form, to me, then I'm going
to be offended. I'm going to speak out against it.
And I say that to anybody. And if you feel
offended that Fat Joe uses the word nigga, then you
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should say it. And I'm not saying that you have
to accept it. I'm just saying in our culture inside
of New York, Blacks and Latinos have used that word,
and we've grown up using the word. Since I was
in fourth, fifth, and sixth grade, when we first used
to start cursing, and we'd say, yo, that's my nigga.
When we was doing raps, all of our raps had
nigga in it. This is how we grew up in
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the culture. And I don't expect everybody else to say it.
Then I heard Mark Lamar Hill say that he don't
think anybody that's not black should use the word. And
there's a lot of people that feel that way. And
I'm not saying you're wrong for how you feel.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Actually, there are people who don't think anybody.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Should use it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I've had that conversation.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Many different degrees of debate.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Exactly. What I don't get is why people think what
offends them has to offend me. And that's just simple.
I don't have to be offended by what you're offended by.
And you don't have to be offended by what I'm
offended by. And that's just the reality of the situation.
There are different cultural things in different states, in different countries,
(34:20):
in different areas, and each one of them are entitled
to their own opinions and their own feelings. For me,
the word nigger in our society with Black and Latinos
is something that we all grew up in. We don't
take it as, you know, disrespect. And there are terms
when they are, right? You can actually tell if you're
arguing with a certain Puerto Rican and they say it
(34:42):
in a word, you fucking nigga, then that's offense. But
if we having a conversation and say, yo, that's my nigga,
this and that, We don't take that as offense. And
we could do that. And I know there are white people.
We got a white boy in my hood that he
be saying the word nigga. He was the only white
boy that grew up in the hood. That's how he
grew up saying we never took offense because he grew
(35:03):
up in our culture. Some other person might see. And
I tell them, if you walk outside this hood and
they catch your ass saying nigga, somebody might body slam you.
You know what I'm saying? And that's just the reality.
And those are the things that come with it. So
I say this, use the word nigga at your own
cost and be able to deal with the consequences because
everybody's not going to take it the same.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I would say that every single human being is a
walking contradiction. Every single human being has areas where they are,
they contradict other things that they may stand on.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
That's just the reality, right?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like you could be a person who does all the
right things. You got the right family and you all
buttoned up in this place, but then you might be
working for a company or building some type of system
that's killing people.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Let me give you a case in point.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I have a family member who said to me, do
you want to do an investment with Tesla, right?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
They want to, oh, Cybertruck. They want to do investment
for Cybertruck because now there's some type of movement around
Cybertrucks that people can make money off of. And I
ain't trying to learn it.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Don't even want to understand it because I would never,
ever invest my money in anything that has to do
with Elon Musk. So I said that I made that
statement to my family member. And the response I got
back was, well, listen, you know, all these people are
racist and all these brands, designers or whatever. And they said,
(36:41):
but I'm not going to allow my family. you know,
all of my political issues and those types of things
to stop me from building my empire, right? Now, this
is a person who is an incredible family man, who
is an incredible leader in the community. They get it
(37:03):
right on so many things, so many things.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Wonderful individual.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
That though is something that I would never agree with, never,
supporting Elon Musk. So you could get it right all
these places, but then when it comes to, and this
is a very community-minded individual and also somebody who talks
about the dangers of some levels of capitalism, like God,
(37:31):
he has all of that. But when it comes to
building his empire, he sees the playing field as fair game, right?
And we were kind of going back and forth and
then eventually I kind of just stopped the conversation and saying,
it's okay. Like, I am not going to do it,
(37:51):
but I'm not about to sit here and make you
the worst person in the world and demonize you because
this is the one thing that you and I don't
agree on, right?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I'm not going to do that. And That to me is.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
The best example that I can hold around this issue. Now,
I don't think that Joe should say, I'm the blackest
nigga you know, because that in and of itself is
like gaslighting people into you not even being able to
understand their perspective, right? And the reason why I think
(38:28):
and I know Joe, I mean, we love Joe, right?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I think that you have to have the nuance.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
It's the same thing like Jay saying this stuff about
Target and, It's when you feel like people are coming
for you.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Sometimes you respond in ways.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
That when you really go back and think about it,
it's like, well, that's not really what I was trying
to say. But at the end of the day, the
offense has been taken.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
The offense has been taken.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Rashad and the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Like Rashad, who I love. And we love Rashad. And
we know what.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We see Rashad in the streets all the time. And
be like, oh, it's hard. People are after us. You know,
we constantly being attacked. It's not easy to do the
work that we try to do. So I already knew
when Rashad was speaking where his frustration was coming from.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I could see it in his face that is coming
from his stomach.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
And we talked to him off, you know, like in
the backstage at events and things like that. So we
know what it is that he's dealing with and the
feeling and, you know, the expression.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We know. And I know that a lot of times,
because I've.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Done it, my response to things can actually make it worse, right,
than the initial debate over whether or not People who
are Afro-Latino, people who are Latino, like you said, in
New York, our culture is very different.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm the same. I grew up in a housing projects
in Harlem.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
My floor didn't have anybody on it except Latino families
and Black families. There was nobody else on my whole
12th floor, which has several apartments and the whole building.
I don't think that there was one person in my
entire building, which was 20 floors high and at least one, two, four, three,
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that's seven and four. So 11 apartments on each floor.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
24 is high. Okay. I don't think there was one
person in my building who was not black.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
And by the way, Let us remember that Africans, right,
people from Africa moving to New York, that was not
really a thing when I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
This is a new phenomenon where you.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
See an entire African community that is, you know, coming into,
you know, blending in with all of us.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
But it was basically.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Black people, Haitian people, maybe Jamaican, and Latinos. Everybody in
the building, especially the young people and the adults.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Use the word.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
For the most part, I can't say everybody, but for
the most part, they use the word. I will say, though,
that the parents, the parents, the Latino parents, I never heard,
I never went to my babysitter's house or my neighbor's
(41:40):
house and heard the older generation using the word nigga
in their lexicon.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And when they used it, it was derogatory.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It was derogatory. It was derogatory. The kids, Joe's age,
you know.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
And down, it became the term of endearment, the term to,
you know, throw around.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Even when they was fighting and they said nigga, it
wasn't like, die, nigga.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
It was more just like, you know, just back and forth,
like bitch or whatever else to your point.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But I never heard the lady who made.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Cakes on my floor, Spanish woman. I never heard Latino woman.
I never heard her say, nigga, never. Her husband, none
of that.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So there is a generational thing. It's definitely geographical.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
And it is also, to your point, understandable why for
many people that standard that they have set about the
use of the term applies to anybody who is not Black.
And I think that from Joe's perspective, he has to understand,
to your point about using, what did you say, your.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Own peril, right?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
He has to understand that they're not wrong either. And
Joel's experience is not wrong. But people who see and
hear him using the term, they also have.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
A right to their feeling.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And what you have to do is make a decision
about where you stand.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
And that's just where you live with it.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Because going back to my family member, when he's got
20 Cybertrucks out here, right? And are we going to
say we hate him and he can no longer come
to the family barbecue?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
No.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Now, if you tell me you voted for Donald Trump,
I don't fuck with you at all.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So that's where, see, that's my red line.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, you got your red line.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I got my red line.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
And it's acceptable. And you made a very good point.
So when Joe says that he's the blackest nigga you know,
it gaslights some people. And he has to understand that.
Because first of all, they're already mad that you're using
the word. And now you're doubling down trying to say
that you're blacker than black people. And, you know, and
you have to understand that some people are not going
to like it. Some of us are going to laugh
(43:55):
at it and be like, yo, Joe from the hood,
and that's funny and all, but there are going to
be a lot of people that offend it. So, you know,
you got to understand, if I don't want to offend people,
then I got to try to meet them somewhere to where,
all right, I understand that this offends you, but understand
that this is my culture and this is my reality,
you know, and just find a medium there to where
people just get it. And even the ones that don't
(44:17):
get it, they don't feel like you're actually trying to
disrespect them.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens because, you know,
Joe's the kind of guy that I can see him
in Marple in my hill and other people sitting down
having a conversation. And I do think that there is
room for a, you know, every few years, every few years,
the N-word becomes a major conversation in the culture. The
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NAACP buried the N-word. I mean, I have throughout my career,
every decade, been involved in a conversation about the use
of the N-word.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
So this is just a recycling of.
The debate on who can and who cannot and.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
What is the use of it and where are we
also using a word that attracts a certain attention to
us where we've also decided because Roland Martin is anti
the use of the word nigga completely 100 percent completely
He's against it.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And you and him have had debate back and forth
about that. So there is that.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
So, like I said, this is the recycling of something
that constantly comes up. And I think it's healthy that
a new generation has the opportunity to experience it and
decide where they stand on the issue, because people in
the culture that they listen to today don't.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Are talking about it.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
The NAACP buried the N-word maybe 15 years ago.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I don't even know the date, but I know it's.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Been years and years and years and years. It was
before you and I started working together.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
They had a.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Funeral for it. It was a funeral procession. They did
the whole thing. So again, here we are having this conversation.
And again, I think that it is important for young
people to hear it, to make decisions on where they
stand and to push the culture forward to the next
debate in the direction that they see fit.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
You said it best. And with that said, we've come
to the end of another episode of the TMI podcast.
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Same old us. How you doing, Tameka D. Mallory?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm doing good. Doing good, Myson. What's going on with you?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Nothing. How was your Labor Day weekend? It was good.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You know, I got I had a restful weekend. I
did a couple of, you know, fun things, exciting things.
But for the most part, I rested. Shout out to
Don Poo, our brother, who we love so much and
really celebrate him for all his accomplishments for a black
man to have multiple restaurants between Times Square, Lower Manhattan,
(00:46):
Dubai and.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
One year anniversary in Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
You know, it's really just good to see him maintain
that and maintain a good, positive, just always the same
energy with everybody, everywhere he goes.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
He's so loved.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So I was down in Miami celebrating his one year anniversary.
Shout out to his wife, Nikki, who has been a
laborer as well to help him build his empire.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And I got a chance to be with Yandy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
At a dope celebration where a whole bunch of fancy
people showed up to, you know, to celebrate poo.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And so that was one thing.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And then also I went to the Orange Bowl, which
is a game between FAMU and another college. But it
was South Carolina this particular time. And South Carolina beat them.
We were there rooting for FAMU. And, you know, I
got to hang out with the people who do the lawyering.
Attorney Ben Crump and Attorney Sue Ann Robinson and a
(01:49):
bunch of other folks. Shout out to our guy, the
former councilman, Reggie Leon. So he is no longer in
elected office, but he will be running for mayor soon.
at least we're trying to encourage him and make sure
that he runs for mayor. He's going to be mayor
Leon in Miami gardens. So, you know, had, had a
(02:12):
good time being with all the folks, but in between,
I just kept resting. I threatened many times to go out.
I'm going to show up at X, Y, Z event,
but I didn't go.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So it was good.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And lots of storms, you know, the weather, as we
see every year around this time of year, The storms.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Are always very, very massive.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's just, you know, the nature of the Caribbean and
the islands and whatnot, and obviously Florida is so attached
to those places. But there's been some lightning that is
a little disturbing to me. Maybe other people are not
experiencing it, but I heard some lightning in New York
last week that was like very, very, very strong. It
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was like real scary. I haven't heard lightning like that
in a long time. And the same was happening in Florida.
This lightning that's like the world is just crashing.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So that's it. I just rested.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, it sounds pretty eventful. Shout out to Don Poole
for congratulations on his one year. You know, I wish
I could have been there, but I was a soccer
dad this weekend. My son just started his soccer season. Actually,
this weekend, Saturday was the first game. So they had
a tournament. And when they went to the championship, we
(03:30):
had a two-day tournament, and they won one game the
first day, lost the second, and did the same thing,
and they lost in the championship on Sunday. But they
went to overtime. You're watching these little kids play soccer
in intensity, and they went to a sudden death match
where you have to kick penalty goals. So they pick
(03:51):
five or six players from their team, and they all
line up with the goalie, and they have to try
to kick the goal past the goalie. And whoever gets
the most wins. So, you know, they did the penalty goals.
And my son's best friend, who is like one of
the best players on the team, along with him, you know,
he missed his penalty goal. He was so pissed off
(04:14):
because he usually doesn't miss stuff like that. And he
was crying. And, you know, I'm cheering him up. But
you could tell he took it really hard. But they
played so hard. You know, so I love the intensity
of the games. And it's teaching him character. And his
father was like, what are you crying for? But you
can tell he really took it hard. Because I remember
(04:34):
a few years ago, a similar situation like that happened
with Keston. You know, he took it really hard, too.
But it was a real good game. Two of the
best games. The day before, they had played the same team.
And the team beat them by four goals. So... Now
when they met him in the championship, it was 1-1. Like,
they played really, really hard all the way to the end. And,
(04:56):
you know, they lost. But it was a good thing.
So that's what I did. I also did a couple barbecues.
Shout out to the Westside Barbecues. Will Trax was DJing,
him and DJ E. Kim. So that was a cool
little situation. They had all types of barbecues all over
New York City. Then shout out to Blackbird. You know,
(05:18):
one of my clients that I work with, they had
a barbecue. Shout out to Tanadrian Fleming. They had a
barbecue in Rockland. We went over there, ate food, listened
to music. And that was pretty much the end of it. Yesterday,
shout out to Lola Morena. Fabulous. And the whole Let's
Talk About It podcast was over there. So I spent
(05:40):
it talking to my guys over there and we talked
about hip hop and You know, we had different debates
about different things. It was good to see them, you know.
It's not a lot of industry dudes that I'm actually
cool with, but actually it's crazy that all four of
them are people that I'm cool with. And Jim came
in there on his crutches, and they was making fun
of him because if you looked online, he was playing
(06:04):
tennis and something cracked in his leg. So him and
Maino been making little jokes about his leg. But it
was a cool all-around cool weekend. you know, got to
have fun with the kids and go out for a
little while. So, you know, and the weather was actually
good here. There was no rain. It was none of that.
The weather was really good. It was cool, but hot
(06:25):
at the same time. You know, it's that weird time
of year where the sun shines real, it'd be hot
in the sun. And then when you go in the shade,
you get chilly, you know, so the weather held up,
but it was a good time. Labor Day weekend was good.
I heard everybody was going to You know, it's also
been Caribbean weekend. They celebrated all of the Caribbean. Jube. Jube.
(06:48):
They had Jube. They had all of it. So you
would see a lot of the Caribbean people walking around,
dressed up, whatever. So it was actually a good weekend.
You could tell the summer is over. That was it.
For sure.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
This is the last quarter of the year. And for us,
it represents the beginning.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Of the.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Fire alarm, GOTV, get everybody to the polls movement that
everybody that is somebody who knows the importance of this
election has to get involved in right now. And, you know,
that's what it's all going to be about the next
few weeks. Next two months, we will be drained. You know,
(07:35):
a lot of people have expectations of us to show
up and to do the job. And you got to
fight over money. It's, you know, it doesn't just happen. Like,
I don't know why people have this impression that. that
in order to organize, it's free. You have to actually
go to the places that matter, right?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Not everywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yes, it is important that people vote in the midterms everywhere.
Anywhere that there's an election, you need to be voting.
But there are certain places that it matters more than
others because there are races and or just geographically, you
need to make sure that we get.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Our people out.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And so in order to do that, it's not just
sitting on.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The corner, which is important work.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And by the way, if you want to sit on
the corner of your block and register people, you should
have a little water, a snack, lunch. And if you're
taking time off of your regular job in order to
be able to do.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It, you still have to sustain yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So there is really literally nothing that you can do
that doesn't cost a thing. There's always going to be
some type if you are a real organizer. But for us,
we have to travel. You got to fight and hustle
back and forth to get the resources. So, you know,
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it's always a tough time of year, but we do
what we have to.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We do what we must.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
We definitely do. You know, speaking of Elections. I seen
you with Angie Nixon. I seen you took a picture
of Angie Nixon. I did.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I spent a nice amount of time with Angie Nixon.
She's running for Senate, the United States Senate in Florida.
She is credible, capable and ready. you know, she's a
serious sister, always has been, you know, I've always loved
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Angie Nixon anyway, just from afar.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I never really had an opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know, have a strong relationship with her, but we're
definitely leaning in. In my personal time, I'm going to
work with some of our sisters to get people on
the ground in Florida to support her. And, you know, and,
and just watching people respond to her at the FAMU game,
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you can see that Floridians are like, this is our girl.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And that's what we need.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We need Black folks to know that we have the
power to elect her.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
She can be elected.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
By the greatest turnout that Florida has ever had. We
have to remind people all the time that What's his name?
President Barack Obama won Florida. He won Florida. So if
he could do it, that means that the people are here.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You've got a line.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And I was talking to another state representative, a sister
who said that she was explaining to me the breakdown,
because the one thing we know is that more Republicans
voted in the primary, more Republicans voted in the primary
than Democrats. They didn't vote for Democrats. A Democrat, you know,
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everybody stays in their lane, obviously, in primaries. I don't
have to explain this to people they already know. But
more Republicans voted than Democrats. If the same thing happened,
she probably would not win. But what will make this
different is that independents enter the chat, right? And the
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independents will likely not vote for Donald Trump. And there
are a bunch of people who did not participate in
the primaries who will vote in the general election.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So, you know, we have a good data in the numbers.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
We have a real, real good shot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I love that, man. Like you said, I think Angie is,
as you would say that you're honest that I'm qualified.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, that's right. She's qualified.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Qualified. So we're talking about elected officials and we talk
about the government, you know. So last week it was
announced that Emory Jones, Jay-Z affiliate, Roc Nation affiliate, was
granted a presidential pardon. You know, Emory's a good friend
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of mine's, man. I love Emory. You know, we have
good conversations. He's Down to earth. He's been home a
lot of years and been doing a lot of work,
putting a lot of black athletes and entertainers in position.
He's worked. He works at Puma. He's designed shoes with
Nipsey Hussle. He's he's worked with ASAP Rocky. So to
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see him actually come home and do the work, you know,
serve his time and be granted that pardon. was a
blessing to me. So I celebrated it, you know, and,
and I don't, and I'm not, everybody knows that I
don't give a damn about Trump, but this is one
thing that was done properly. So I shouted him out
and the comments on my page were interesting. It was
(12:55):
kind of actually like, when people found out that I
was on the transition team with the mayor. You know,
people started talking about, oh, why are you going to
have a criminal? Why are we celebrating a criminal? Why
would a criminal be this person? put in this type
of position and people were on there just talking crazy. Oh,
he was a drug dealer. Why do we care that
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a drug dealer is pouring? Why are you celebrating the
drug dealer? And it was so crazy to me. And
I'm just listening. I'm writing. There's a lot of people
that was happy for him, but it was a lot
of people that wasn't. And I'm like, why are people
angry that someone who changed their life around has come
back to society and been a productive member of It's
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receiving a pardon. You know, isn't that the goal? The
goal is for if you make a mistake, you pay
your debt to society. You know, you go to rehabilitation.
That's what a prison is supposed to do, rehabilitate you.
So when you come back to society, that you can
be productive. You know, a lot of people don't understand
when you get criminal charges and federal charges, you know,
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there's collateral damage that comes even after you served your time.
So you can't travel to certain places. You know, you're
not allowed in certain places, certain opportunities you don't have
based on the fact that you have this felony. You know,
so now he can actually live his full life. You know,
someone who's doing the work that he's doing should be
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able to travel to all of the countries without being stopped,
without being held. You know, I was held. I went
to on tour with the game years ago. And because
of my felony, I was, you know, held. in customs
in Australia for three days, you know, and pretty much
in their jail until I was shipped back because I
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had a felony, you know, so I was happy for him.
And I just don't understand why people made it seem
like because someone did a crime and paid their debt
to society that they should not be able to thrive.
You know, I just don't understand that. I don't know
why people have this mind state.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, what I saw more than, I mean, I didn't
even pay attention to that, But in your comments, I
did see people saying, oh, now you have to celebrate Trump. And,
you know, oh, I thought you didn't like Trump. And
it's funny because, you know, I feel like we are
living in a world where no matter how much we
do or how much we say, people are just committed
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to either misunderstanding or missing the information. I don't know
of a time that someone said, Even people who are
not well known was pardoned by Trump that we didn't
say this is great.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
This is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like we're not people who are living in the world without.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Reason and common sense.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Donald Trump has pardoned a number of people.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
We know that we actually did a whole segment on
our show.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Some maybe probably last season, where we talked about President
Obama and his intentions in terms of trying to pardon
as he wanted to do one sweeping pardon of all
people with nonviolent drug offenses. And it was a couple
of different categories. And his people, his legal people, were
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working to get it done. But the Republicans blocked it
and would not allow him to free, you know, however
many people. So he had to do it, you know,
one by one, individually individually. at the end of his term. Nevertheless,
he was lit physically in.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
The process of trying, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He wanted to do something historic to get, you know,
to actually use pardons for what they're supposed to be for.
Pardons are supposed to be for people, as you said,
that have done their time. They have shown that they
are productive members of society and they are given a
second chance at life. sometimes it's for people who the
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government may say, we don't believe that they got a
fair trial or a fair shot. But most of the time,
pardons go to people, regardless of what they may have done,
they are now a productive member of society who is
supposed to get a second chance at, you know, at
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fulfilling their mission, passion, and the work of society.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So, you know, One, I don't care who pardons people.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I think that's the one thing that Donald Trump has
done that a lot of Black men, by the way,
have cited as a reason why they potentially support him.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Now, if we want to, what is the word?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
If we want to analyze that, right, and talk about
why I don't jump up and down because Donald Trump
has pardoned people in a way that makes me say
I can excuse all the other things that's happening.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Now, that we're not going to do.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
We're still going to have critical analysis of the full
context of who Donald Trump is and what harm he
has done to our community. In fact, I believe.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
that he has used.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Pardons and used this particular aspect of the criminal justice
system as a way to get some Black people and
particularly Black men to ignore the fact that some people
are going to jail right now because their mama don't
have a job. Their father does not have a job.
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They're losing housing, losing healthcare, losing the ability to survive.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So on one hand, They're sending people to jail.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And then on the other hand, he's allowing people with
big names and some people who might not have a
big name to, you know, me, but y'all know who
they are. You guys know who these people are that
have been receiving pardons. And so it's a trade off.
And for some people, all you got to do is
let big meat out and then you and you could
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be the hottest shit that ever happened. Meanwhile, you you
you over here putting people in economic situations and circumstances
that could have them doing whatever things Emory and whomever
else did when they're at a young age that puts
them in a cycle of this whole system all over again.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Makes 100% sense. So yeah, I definitely agree with that.
A lot of people were trying to make it seem
like we got to praise Donald Trump. We don't have
to praise Donald Trump. I can acknowledge that he did
something that I agree with. You know, there's very few
things that he does that I agree with. But, you know,
giving partners to a lot of, you know, some individuals
that I know who have served their time and deserve
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to be back free and deserve to be given back
the rights of a whole citizen. You know, I can
say that's a good thing, you know, without without acting
as if he's a good president. And that's just the
reality of that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What did what y'all say that I sometimes can't get right?
A broken clock is right twice a day. So there's that.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
There's that.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So, you know, my thought of the day today is surrounding.
this story in New York City where a young girl
opened the door for police who were there to do
a wellness check. And when she opened the door at
five years old, five years old, it was revealed that
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her mother had been beaten to death by a romantic partner.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't know if he was former or currently.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
This guy who is alleged to have killed her I
think his name is like Fly, Ty, or that's what
they call him. Supposedly, he's from a housing development in
New York City called St.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Nicholas Projects.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And there is a search for him and a call
for him to turn himself in for killing this woman.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Her name is LaVoy Williams. She was 27 years old.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And, you know, again, she was beaten to death by
a man, this man, likely, and her daughter, was there
to see what happened to her mother and then ultimately
there as the only person to be able to respond
to police when they arrived. And, you know, there's so
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much that comes up in me about stories like this.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So much love to one Stephanie McGraw.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
This is a sister who has an organization that deals
with domestic violence in New York City. And it's so
interesting that We were just all on vacation together in
Martha's Vineyard with Stephanie. It was her first time going
to the vineyard, taking some time off. Since Stephanie has
been back in New York City, I know of at
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least four different incidents that she's been involved in.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Where women's lives.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Have been taken and or they have had to be,
you know, sort of rescued from a very, very violent situation.
And in fact, the four situations that I know of,
those people, those women did not make it. But her
work every single day She works with Queen Afua, who,
you know, is helping and building a community of healed.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Women and families and men, of course, children.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And, you know, so she does that work as just
regular maintenance. But she also serves as kind of like
a triage for our community around domestic violence. And the
amount of stories that's popping up on her social media
and the way that her team is running, chasing behind
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These women who are being murdered by men, mostly romantic partners.
I think there was one incident that was like another
family member, but for the most part, it's romantic partners.
It's very scary. And by the way, she works in
the Black community, Black and Latino communities. So it is
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not to say that it's not happening in other communities.
And there are other organizations that do that work. But
she specifically serves us.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So if you.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Actually want to support WARM and you're listening, please look
them up. They are W-A-R-M-N-Y-C on Instagram. We All Really
Matter is the full name of our organization, Stephanie McGraw.
And she definitely needs support from all of us.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But it is very scary.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
The level of emotional intelligence and maturity that so many
men do not have, do not have the ability to
to walk away from situations, do not have the ability
to either do right or move on. Why, why, why,
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why do we have to bury women who, for the
most part, I already know because I've heard the stories
and you see it all the time, there are so
many Men who say, I don't even want you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't want to be with you.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
And then when a woman decides that she wants to
move on, they say that that is the most dangerous.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
This is what the stats say.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now, this is the data that proves that the most
dangerous time for a woman is when she is ready
to move on.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So a man has been moved.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Doing all the things, not paying attention to her or,
you know, or fighting or cheating or lying or doing
whatever things he may be doing.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And it is not until she gets.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Ready to walk away that he wants to fight to
the point where her life is taken. And so, you know,
LaVoy Williams, God bless, 27 years old, this young woman's
daughter and her community, her father, her family, they are
going to suffer something and experience, you know, a brutal,
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brutal reality that this woman's life was taken the way
that it was.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And guess what?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
They probably saw signs. They probably knew that he wasn't
good for her. And it seems that in the end,
she was killed by a coward, but she is not alone.
And I think that's the whole point of my thought
of the day is that it's not just happening to,
it's not just isolated incidents. of, you know, and very
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far in view between incidents of women who are being
killed by these emotionally unstable, very freaking, just cowardly men, right?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It's not just Few and far. It is happening very frequently.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And I know because working with alongside my sister, Stephanie,
out there, you know, she does violence prevention work as well,
but just from the domestic violence lens. It's so obvious
that there is a crisis in our society around women
who are not protected, one, and two, women who are
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not making good decisions when it comes to the men
that we are choosing to keep in our lives. And third,
what is the strategy for how a woman can get
out of a relationship safely without having her life taken?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Because she has decided that enough is enough.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's really sad. I was having a discussion months ago
with a guy who, he just was saying a bunch
of dumb stuff, but I was saying how domestic violence
is the number one form of violence in our communities,
you know, and I've always been adamant about men lacking.
There are certain men who lack a level of emotional
intelligence to where, you know, like you said, when women
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want to leave or they disagree or whatever, There's this
physical element. You know, they resort to this physical and
trying to overwhelm and try to beat them. And it's like,
it's terrible. You know, unfortunately, I know the guy, her father,
the young lady you're talking about, her father, he's someone
I know from the community, man. He's a good guy too, man.
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And seeing him on the news, it almost brought a
tear to my eyes. You know, knowing that this little
girl said that she laid by her mother and because
she thought she was asleep. He put her in the bed,
and she thought her mother was sleeping, so she laid
there all the time until somebody came and she opened
the door. It's really a sad situation, man. I hate
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the fact that there are males, because I don't even
call them men, males that would do that kind of
harm to a woman, or do any type of physical
harm to a woman based off you know, disagreements with
them not wanting to be with you, man. And that's
one of the things that we want to do at
Raising Kings is really focus on emotional intelligence, really focus
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on how to be able to take rejection, how to
be able to take, you know, a situation that you
might not like without being able, having or feeling that
you need to physically harm somebody. Because a lot of
our young boys are not being taught that. They're being taught,
you know, aggression, right? You know, to meet everything with aggression.
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You know, I hate the term toxic masculinity, but it's
actually toxic. You know, and they're being taught that that
is some level of esteem when you physically overpower anybody,
especially a woman who you should be able to physically overpower.
You know, so, you know, my condolences to her family.
You know, like I said, I know the father, man.
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You know, I know it's going to be a rough
road ahead. It's crazy because one of my friends... literally
just DM'd me two days ago saying that one of
her friends was being beat by her boyfriend. He beat
her bad and she passed away four days later. He
had beat her, beat her, and four days later she
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passed away and he wasn't even charged. They're still trying.
The mother said that they have videos, they got audio
of her talking about how he beat her and this
and that, and they're still trying to get him charged
and the police is trying to tell them that they
can't do nothing for them or they don't know what
to do. So I probably need to connect her with
Stephanie to see how Stephanie can help her in this process.
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Because she literally just DM'd me again a few minutes ago.
And then I think it's someone in Harlem as well.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Terrible. And that would be, you know, a fifth case.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
In the last few weeks, just from the time that
we left Martha's Vineyard on August 24th until now, I'm
telling you that I have seen her engage in at
least four different cases of women being murdered.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Not slapped.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Murdered.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Unalived. And it's, you know, it's a real scary crisis
in our community.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It really is. Really is. So let me jump straight
to my, I don't get it. You know, there's been
this big debate and it's not just, it hasn't just happened,
but Fat Joe recently was on the Joe Button podcast.
You know, he was being asked some questions about backlash
that he received, you know, and him being a Latino
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from the Bronx, growing up in Forrest Projects and one
of the, you know, the most hip hop, cultural, you know,
black centered places inside the Bronx. You know, he grew
up in hip hop culture and, He uses the word
nigga with an A, you know, and a lot of
people don't like it. You know, he responded to the
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backlash by saying, I'm one of the blackest niggas you know.
I've grown up in hip hop. I've been saying this.
And as far as I, as long as I've known Joe,
he's been utilizing the word nigga. I've grown up in
the Bronx, you know. And all the Puerto Ricans I know,
that's how we communicate with each other. My best friends
have been Puerto Rican. We communicate, nigga. That's just how
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we communicate. And I realize that there is a lot
of backlash from other people, from different states. And what
I don't get about it, right, is you can't tell
someone else what to be offended by. Right. Because I
can understand and I tell people all the time, you
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might have a friend that you and him communicate or
you and her communicate a certain way. You know, you
woman use the word bitch with each other. That's my
business and that and that. And somebody else from the
outside might look at the communication that you have with
your friend and be like, you know what? She couldn't
call me a bitch. But she's not calling you a bitch.
And if you was having that conversation, you have the
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right to view our communication as a way that you
might not be okay with. Something that you might not,
you know, deem as something that you would do. But
you don't get to impose that on somebody else. So
what I said was, this is where you get to
pick and choose if you're offended. If somebody says the
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word nigga that I feel has malice, who is not
connected to this culture, who I feel that they're using
it in a derogatory form, to me, then I'm going
to be offended. I'm going to speak out against it.
And I say that to anybody. And if you feel
offended that Fat Joe uses the word nigga, then you
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should say it. And I'm not saying that you have
to accept it. I'm just saying in our culture inside
of New York, Blacks and Latinos have used that word,
and we've grown up using the word. Since I was
in fourth, fifth, and sixth grade, when we first used
to start cursing, and we'd say, yo, that's my nigga.
When we was doing raps, all of our raps had
nigga in it. This is how we grew up in
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the culture. And I don't expect everybody else to say it.
Then I heard Mark Lamar Hill say that he don't
think anybody that's not black should use the word. And
there's a lot of people that feel that way. And
I'm not saying you're wrong for how you feel.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Actually, there are people who don't think anybody.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Should use it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I've had that conversation.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Many different degrees of debate.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Exactly. What I don't get is why people think what
offends them has to offend me. And that's just simple.
I don't have to be offended by what you're offended by.
And you don't have to be offended by what I'm
offended by. And that's just the reality of the situation.
There are different cultural things in different states, in different countries,
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in different areas, and each one of them are entitled
to their own opinions and their own feelings. For me,
the word nigger in our society with Black and Latinos
is something that we all grew up in. We don't
take it as, you know, disrespect. And there are terms
when they are, right? You can actually tell if you're
arguing with a certain Puerto Rican and they say it
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in a word, you fucking nigga, then that's offense. But
if we having a conversation and say, yo, that's my nigga,
this and that, We don't take that as offense. And
we could do that. And I know there are white people.
We got a white boy in my hood that he
be saying the word nigga. He was the only white
boy that grew up in the hood. That's how he
grew up saying we never took offense because he grew
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up in our culture. Some other person might see. And
I tell them, if you walk outside this hood and
they catch your ass saying nigga, somebody might body slam you.
You know what I'm saying? And that's just the reality.
And those are the things that come with it. So
I say this, use the word nigga at your own
cost and be able to deal with the consequences because
everybody's not going to take it the same.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I would say that every single human being is a
walking contradiction. Every single human being has areas where they are,
they contradict other things that they may stand on.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
That's just the reality, right?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Like you could be a person who does all the
right things. You got the right family and you all
buttoned up in this place, but then you might be
working for a company or building some type of system
that's killing people.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Let me give you a case in point.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I have a family member who said to me, do
you want to do an investment with Tesla, right?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
They want to, oh, Cybertruck. They want to do investment
for Cybertruck because now there's some type of movement around
Cybertrucks that people can make money off of. And I
ain't trying to learn it.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Don't even want to understand it because I would never,
ever invest my money in anything that has to do
with Elon Musk. So I said that I made that
statement to my family member. And the response I got
back was, well, listen, you know, all these people are
racist and all these brands, designers or whatever. And they said,
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but I'm not going to allow my family. you know,
all of my political issues and those types of things
to stop me from building my empire, right? Now, this
is a person who is an incredible family man, who
is an incredible leader in the community. They get it
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right on so many things, so many things.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Wonderful individual.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
That though is something that I would never agree with, never,
supporting Elon Musk. So you could get it right all
these places, but then when it comes to, and this
is a very community-minded individual and also somebody who talks
about the dangers of some levels of capitalism, like God,
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he has all of that. But when it comes to
building his empire, he sees the playing field as fair game, right?
And we were kind of going back and forth and
then eventually I kind of just stopped the conversation and saying,
it's okay. Like, I am not going to do it,
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but I'm not about to sit here and make you
the worst person in the world and demonize you because
this is the one thing that you and I don't
agree on, right?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I'm not going to do that. And That to me is.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
The best example that I can hold around this issue. Now,
I don't think that Joe should say, I'm the blackest
nigga you know, because that in and of itself is
like gaslighting people into you not even being able to
understand their perspective, right? And the reason why I think
(38:28):
and I know Joe, I mean, we love Joe, right?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I think that you have to have the nuance.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
It's the same thing like Jay saying this stuff about
Target and, It's when you feel like people are coming
for you.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Sometimes you respond in ways.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
That when you really go back and think about it,
it's like, well, that's not really what I was trying
to say. But at the end of the day, the
offense has been taken.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
The offense has been taken.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Rashad and the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Like Rashad, who I love. And we love Rashad. And
we know what.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
We see Rashad in the streets all the time. And
be like, oh, it's hard. People are after us. You know,
we constantly being attacked. It's not easy to do the
work that we try to do. So I already knew
when Rashad was speaking where his frustration was coming from.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I could see it in his face that is coming
from his stomach.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
And we talked to him off, you know, like in
the backstage at events and things like that. So we
know what it is that he's dealing with and the
feeling and, you know, the expression.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We know. And I know that a lot of times,
because I've.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Done it, my response to things can actually make it worse, right,
than the initial debate over whether or not People who
are Afro-Latino, people who are Latino, like you said, in
New York, our culture is very different.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm the same. I grew up in a housing projects
in Harlem.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
My floor didn't have anybody on it except Latino families
and Black families. There was nobody else on my whole
12th floor, which has several apartments and the whole building.
I don't think that there was one person in my
entire building, which was 20 floors high and at least one, two, four, three,
(40:23):
that's seven and four. So 11 apartments on each floor.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
24 is high. Okay. I don't think there was one
person in my building who was not black.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
And by the way, Let us remember that Africans, right,
people from Africa moving to New York, that was not
really a thing when I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
This is a new phenomenon where you.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
See an entire African community that is, you know, coming into,
you know, blending in with all of us.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
But it was basically.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Black people, Haitian people, maybe Jamaican, and Latinos. Everybody in
the building, especially the young people and the adults.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Use the word.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
For the most part, I can't say everybody, but for
the most part, they use the word. I will say, though,
that the parents, the parents, the Latino parents, I never heard,
I never went to my babysitter's house or my neighbor's
(41:40):
house and heard the older generation using the word nigga
in their lexicon.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
And when they used it, it was derogatory.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It was derogatory. It was derogatory. The kids, Joe's age,
you know.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
And down, it became the term of endearment, the term to,
you know, throw around.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Even when they was fighting and they said nigga, it
wasn't like, die, nigga.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
It was more just like, you know, just back and forth,
like bitch or whatever else to your point.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But I never heard the lady who made.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Cakes on my floor, Spanish woman. I never heard Latino woman.
I never heard her say, nigga, never. Her husband, none
of that.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So there is a generational thing. It's definitely geographical.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
And it is also, to your point, understandable why for
many people that standard that they have set about the
use of the term applies to anybody who is not Black.
And I think that from Joe's perspective, he has to understand,
to your point about using, what did you say, your.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Own peril, right?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
He has to understand that they're not wrong either. And
Joel's experience is not wrong. But people who see and
hear him using the term, they also have.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
A right to their feeling.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And what you have to do is make a decision
about where you stand.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
And that's just where you live with it.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Because going back to my family member, when he's got
20 Cybertrucks out here, right? And are we going to
say we hate him and he can no longer come
to the family barbecue?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
No.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Now, if you tell me you voted for Donald Trump,
I don't fuck with you at all.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So that's where, see, that's my red line.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, you got your red line.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I got my red line.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
And it's acceptable. And you made a very good point.
So when Joe says that he's the blackest nigga you know,
it gaslights some people. And he has to understand that.
Because first of all, they're already mad that you're using
the word. And now you're doubling down trying to say
that you're blacker than black people. And, you know, and
you have to understand that some people are not going
to like it. Some of us are going to laugh
(43:55):
at it and be like, yo, Joe from the hood,
and that's funny and all, but there are going to
be a lot of people that offend it. So, you know,
you got to understand, if I don't want to offend people,
then I got to try to meet them somewhere to where,
all right, I understand that this offends you, but understand
that this is my culture and this is my reality,
you know, and just find a medium there to where
people just get it. And even the ones that don't
(44:17):
get it, they don't feel like you're actually trying to
disrespect them.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens because, you know,
Joe's the kind of guy that I can see him
in Marple in my hill and other people sitting down
having a conversation. And I do think that there is
room for a, you know, every few years, every few years,
the N-word becomes a major conversation in the culture. The
(44:46):
NAACP buried the N-word. I mean, I have throughout my career,
every decade, been involved in a conversation about the use
of the N-word.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
So this is just a recycling of.
The debate on who can and who cannot and.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
What is the use of it and where are we
also using a word that attracts a certain attention to
us where we've also decided because Roland Martin is anti
the use of the word nigga completely 100 percent completely
He's against it.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And you and him have had debate back and forth
about that. So there is that.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
So, like I said, this is the recycling of something
that constantly comes up. And I think it's healthy that
a new generation has the opportunity to experience it and
decide where they stand on the issue, because people in
the culture that they listen to today don't.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Are talking about it.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
The NAACP buried the N-word maybe 15 years ago.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I don't even know the date, but I know it's.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Been years and years and years and years. It was
before you and I started working together.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
They had a.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Funeral for it. It was a funeral procession. They did
the whole thing. So again, here we are having this conversation.
And again, I think that it is important for young
people to hear it, to make decisions on where they
stand and to push the culture forward to the next
debate in the direction that they see fit.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
You said it best. And with that said, we've come
to the end of another episode of the TMI podcast.
Make sure you follow us on Instagram at TMI underscore show.
Follow us on YouTube at TMI show PC. I'm not
going to always be right. Tamika D. Murray's not going
to always be wrong, but we will both always, and
I mean always, be authentic. Peace.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Listen to the TMI podcast on the Black Effect Network,
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Speaker 2 (46:57):
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