June 22, 2026 • 15 mins
Buck welcomes author Frank Miniter for a Father's Day conversation about the real-life figures who shaped history. From Paul Revere and Thomas Edison to Jesse Owens and Alan Turing, Frank shares the stories every young man should know. Frank recounts running with the bulls in Spain, hunting dangerous game in Africa, and the lessons he's learned about courage, adventure, and manhood along the way.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As we approach Father's Day this Sunday. Who are the
heroes that dads want for their sons these days if
they want them to look up to someone other than
of course, Dad, the most important hero in so many
lives all over this country. Where can they find them?
Frank Minider joins us. Now he's an author of Cool
(00:20):
Heroes for Boys twenty True Tales of Adventure. So tell
us about this one, because I think it's a great,
a great way to celebrate and kick off and enjoy
Father's Day. Cool Heroes for Boys your book? What's it
all about?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, this one actually began in a library when my
son was nine he's now thirteen, and I was looking
for books for him, for heroes, to get him interested
in reading, and to find real guys who would show
him the way, the path, the pathfinders, and I could
not find any in the library. All the books I
grew up on were not there. That they were gone,
and in their place was all this politically correct stuff.
So we went over to Barnes and Noble took a look,
(00:57):
and it was even worse. I couldn't believe how bad
it was. I'm like, well, what about heroes? What heroes
have you met in school? What are they talking about?
And he mentioned Paul Revered, but he thought it was
kind of laying. The guy just rode a horse and shouted,
the British are coming. I said, yeah, but did you
know there actually were going for the people's guns. They
were leaving Boston to go and seize their guns. And
actually inside of Boston later the British actually seesed his guns.
(01:19):
They took Paul Revere's guns from him. You know that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And he didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So he said, well, let's let's go on the Let's
go to Boston and we walked to the Freedom Trail and
we saw all that history and we were there see
where the shop heard around the world happened, and then
a speech piece of this. I just started following the
history with him. Went to Gettysburg and stead of a
Chamberlain's wall where he stood down during that a critical
battle and it became the hero, one of the major
heroes of that war winning the Freedom. It's someone I
(01:44):
just started following his past with him and discovering the
stories that were there with him, and then said, well,
I've got.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
To write that. I've gotta write this book for you
because this is there.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I'm an author. Let's let's get this down. So he
became my first and worst important editor on this book.
If something didn't resonate with him, I thought, now that's
not going to work. I'm running this book for him
and his generation. We need to bring the heroes to
this generation. They're all being destroyed today by the Left.
They're carrying down the statues of them, ripping them all down,
leaving a few caricatures into.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Textbooks, not much at all. So that was the quest.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And we've been on now four or five years, running
around the country doing this kind of stuff together, even
in Japan going to the forty seven Ronen Shrine to
see those heroes. We've been around the world doing this
kind of stuff, and so now it's all together in
the pages of the book Cool Heroes for Boys.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Tell me, in this book you discussed the original Tony Stark,
the original Iron Man, if you will, his invention factory,
the real one. So who was this? Because I got
to say I read this, I goo, are we talking
Edison Tesla? Who's the original Tony Stark?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, it's Thomas Edison and his invention factory that is
actually a National Park in New Jersey, and I took
my son there and walked around it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's cool, and it's still full of his old.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Notebooks where he'd walk around scribbling out his different inventions,
many of which never made We has head over a
thousand patents, and my son's like, well, this is kind
of cool. I said, well, the history of it's even cooler.
Did you know his father thought he was no good?
He kept getting thrown out of schools. He was literally
dragged the middle of town and beaten pick up for
being adult as they called him back then. At twelve,
he was basically out of school and he just started
(03:14):
teaching himself, creating his own lab. Ended up publishing a
newspaper on a train with one of his chemistry experiments.
He almost burned up a whole train car, was thrown
off the train, and then started his adventures of inventing,
and piece by piece he invented himself. So yeah, he
became the original Tony Stark. Tony Stark is a beautiful
fabrication in the movies Iron Man, but we had the
real Tony Stark in this country.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Had Thomas Edison?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Are there any here? Now? This is taking us a
little bit outside of maybe the scope of the book,
because you're looking at real heroes, real men who did
things that are heroic and should be praise, perhaps even emulated,
certainly inspire young men like your son. If you have to, though,
start to pick from the canon of fictional heros that
(03:57):
you think still stand the test of time, are still worthwhile.
You know what, what are the some of the fictional
heroes that you would want your thirteen year old son
to become familiar with and say, look, just because the
guy isn't real doesn't mean you know, well, I was
gonna say, is the Iliad real or not? Actually kind
of is probably real. But you know there's some stuff where,
(04:18):
you know, if you're a big Lord of the Rings fan,
you know, maybe you think that Eric Gord is it
great here? I don't know, But who from the fictional
side of things do you support your son celebrating?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, you know, I handed on The Old Man and
the Boy, which is a book I loved when I
was a kid, Robert Rook's classic that talks about this
kid growing up with his grandfather that Robert work about,
and he loved it. You know, he goes hunting with me,
he gets that whole part. You know, he likes to shoot,
so he got what that was going on in that
beautiful book, but it didn't completely resonate because that is
an older book, and that was part of the problem
(04:52):
with fat So I gave him Georgia Orwell's Animal Farm
and he liked it. And he read Lewis Carroll and
he liked it. I handed it in the Sun also rise.
I'll be way over his head, but that's actually a
very readable book and that Jake the main character, and
that resonated with him, and he thought, cool, dadd you've
run with the bulls. I'd like to run with the
bulls with you someday. So things surprise you pop up.
But it's finding ones for his generation that speak to
(05:14):
him now is the hardest part. And I know I
know for a fact his teachers are not doing that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Have you ever, Just as a side note, talking about
the running of the bulls in Pamplona, Spain, Right, I'm
gonna I'm gonna say to you, Frank, I would avoid
that one if it sounds I think it sounds a lot,
so much fun.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh, had you been in the streets twenty times with
the bulls?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You've done this.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Many many times.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You have done the bulls. I was because I was
gonna say, I've seen the PBR circuit and a pissed
off bull is nothing to mess around with. You have
done the Running of the Bulls twenty times. Okay, we
had a whole podcast just on this. What was this like?
Did he ever get hit by one? Do you ever
see anyone get wasted a little bit? Not killed? Obviously?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That was Yeah, I've seen I've seen people. I've seen
him in the streets. Yeah, I've seen blood, and I've
come very close. Like one run, I put myself in
a stupid place right around it's called La Curva, and
it's thought you're not supposed to be only a few
basks the real experienced runners run there, and I thought,
I'm good enough, I can be there. And I got
in real trouble and almost got destroyed and I just
managed to get out the way and the guy next
(06:18):
to me got hooked in the leg and they took
him off on a stretcher.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So yeah, that absolutely does happen.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay, Okay, sorry, you're gonna take me cool Heroes for Boys?
Is this book? This is awesome? Apparently Frank Minider is
now a hero of mine. I've actually never met anybody
who's done the Running of the Bulls, right, so I've
only seen like movies or videos of it. Take me
to the beginning. How does this start? Like, where do
you show up? I mean, I mean really take me
through some of the play by play. How does this go?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, you have to get into the street before it runs,
you know, so you're it now runs at eight am,
used to be seven. And you get into the street
and it's packed. They can see everyone down near the bottom,
and everyone's nervous. He smells his tos drawn and people
are losing it. Actually, one guy of me an American,
he said, I can't take it anymore because they're announcing.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
The bulls are coming one minute. Here's what you have
to do to survive.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You go down, stay down because the bull's horns face
board and they'll go through you. And he couldn't take
it anymore. And he went under the fence and his
two fences, and it's police between the fences, because what
they want to do was stop you from escaping, right,
And so he goes but he can't take anywhere. He
goes under the fence and his Spanish cop takes out
his batana, just beats this guy and throws him back
into the thing. And he says to him, and he
(07:27):
said it in English, he wanted to be a man
run with the bulls. Now you must be a man
and run with the bulls. What they don't want is
people losing it trying to climb over the fence and
you get a log jam and the bulls hit that
and then people really get hurt. They want the flow
moving down the street. So that's what they were, you know.
And he was there as the guy the sense for
watching over there.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Second. Okay, so you're telling me that there are people
that want to running the bulls, and then they're in
the street where the bulls are coming, and if they
freak out, the cops will be like, nope, you're in it,
like and they'll they'll even hit you with the pond
to make sure you stay there and finish what you started.
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah. I had a girl and another American jump on
my back at one point, right when the bulls were
coming on me, and she screamed in my ear, we're
gonna die. And with us stopped in the middle of
the street.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
She's on my back. I mean, what can I possibly do?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So I threw an elbow right into her face like
I had not truly, I didn't knock her off me
and she went flying and I ran with it. Well,
I don't know what happened to her after that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That's some that's some wild stuff you got going on here. Okay.
The craziest part is when you go into the go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
The craziest part because they allow these cows with leather
on their horns to come out and just throw people,
and you got to stay with them. And again an
American Americans just don't know this is about honor anymore.
They decided they're gonna steer wrestle. They're gonna jump on
its horns and deal with it. Well, a bunch of
the Spanish bosos is what they'll do. They're forcing the code.
They beat the heck out of this guy to lose
(08:53):
in a feedb position in the middle of the ground
because you don't abuse those those uh they're called the
Vodkas that come out and throw you. So yeah, I've
been thrown by them. They'll hurt you. They run right
through the guy and you see people just pop it
up in the air and in the stadium is filled
with twenty five thousand people cheering as this happens.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
How do you sign up for this or do you
just go and you just you you get into it
like you just show you know.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I recommend finding a guide. I found a guide and
he's the perfect name. He's Cuban American in Miami. But
his name is actually Juan Macho and I write about
it in a book, This will Make a Man of You,
And he was my guide through the in Seattle, and
it's it's actually I'm a Catholic and it's a it's
a it's a Catholic. There's a saint that they literally
cut carry around and saying, I mean there's a whole
Catholic which will you go to the Catholic Mass and
(09:38):
you get blessed as a runner.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
There's a whole religious element to the fiesta.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Ah yeah, I mean I would probably be saying some
prayers before those bulls came down at me at at
full speed. This is fast. Are there any other things
that you know, you you out there, like hunting grizzly
with like a sharpened piece of flint, or you know,
any other like man stuff that you want to tell
that would be a little but you know it's it's
one thing to go to like you know, the Hemingway
(10:04):
house or something. It's another thing to do the running
with the bulls. What else has been on the agenda?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, I've shot brown bear and cape buffalo and in Tanzania,
and I was charged by an elephant in South Africa.
But you knew he was going to stop. If you
know elephants, he actually has ears out and that's you're
trying to they're trying to intimidate you. So he had
his big bull, but he put his ear's way out
and he knocked over a tree and the leaves actually
blew over us.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
We stopped there and looked down at us, and I
was with my my pression hunt pH and pH actually
took off his hat and shook it at the at
the bowl and the bull actually it was funny. It
flinched like a dog you were trying to kick and.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It ran away. Wow, what to you? Having been out
there in Tanzania and and and done some hunting and
obviously guided guided expeditions, the most surprisingly dangerous animal is
is what is it? Is it? The I mean, elephants
are huge. I feel like you can't be that surprised
that they're dangerous, right, But what's the most surprisingly dangerous
(11:04):
animal from your experience of hunting big game in Africa?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Surprisingly well, the k buffalo is. Once you wounded it,
it's extremely dangerous. And one I killed, he did turn
to charge and he started to come and I put
him down. They'll if you wound one, I shoot him.
And they're very hard to really just break them down.
Do you put them down? They will come and and
it's you know, go on YouTube. You can see many
videos of it. Elephants need more think and there's a
(11:32):
process to it. The ones that's scared scared me sillier crocodiles,
and I've been around too many. I don't like that
across an animal that big, thousands of pounds, you know,
fifteen feet long, could be in water right next to
you and you don't even know it there.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I mean, I've seen again, I've just seen video. Although
I'm here in Florida, so I've gotten these alligators. So
it's interesting. You know, you'll appreciate this as as as
a sort of modern hemingway. Ask figure yourself. People who
know alligat say that alligators are actually not particularly aggressive,
and you know, generally speaking, if you kind of know
(12:07):
what you're doing around alligators, keep your distance and everything
else people have been around. Nile crocodiles are like your food.
It's a whole different thing. You're really not food to
alligators for the most part. Your dog may be. Obviously
they'll go after smaller people, small children, So there's real
danger there. But it's extremely rare for an alligator, an
American alligator, to be like, I'm going to eat you.
(12:29):
Every This is what I've been told by people like
you who have been out there. Every time you see
a nile crocodile, it's like, could I get this? Guy?
Could I eat this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
If it's about two thousand people years to leading about
a non crocodile, they're very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, that's astonishing. Man, I had no idea we're going
in this direction. Here we go. Cool Heroes for Boys,
including Frank Mender By the way, he's got this book
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Heroes for Boys or do you just want to tell
me about the time that you scared down a pack
of headhunters in Papula and New Guinea. You know anything
(14:08):
else you want to throw in the next frame.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, I haven't stared down at any headhunters. I've been
far up to Zingu River in Brazil, which is another adventure.
But now this book is loaded with different heroes, and
some of them really surprised me. You know, Davy Crockett,
remember the show, But I didn't realize that he stood
up against the he didn't removal act. And of course
I knew he died in the Alamo, but I didn't
realize he died fighting with a knife, and that knife
is still in a museum in Texas. On and on,
(14:32):
all these heroes. Alan Turing, the codebreaker of w War two,
should be much more celebrated, but he's not. And he
was kind of killed by the British government. It is
awful what happened to him. On and on, the Jesse Owens,
who went to the thirty six Olympics in Berlin and
stood up to Nazism as a black athlete. And I
didn't know that the founder of Adidas before it was Adidas,
(14:55):
actually came to him with a pair of cleats and
said would you wear these Here's this white German coming
up to him during Nazism right in the Third Reich,
saying would you wear these shoes? A black American sprinter
And he looked at the shoes so they were pretty good,
and wore them and he actually won his events that
he got his gold medals in that Olympics wearing the
shoes from the who would become the founder of Adidas.
(15:16):
This these stories that bring people together that when you
tell the truth about things, they resonate. I mean, the
left hates that they want to caricature and destroy these heroes.
When you really tell the truth, give the well rounded truth,
even the bad stuff, the stuff that's not politically correct today,
it really resonates. It certainly does with my son.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Frank Mineer everybody. Cool Heroes for Boys book available on
Amazon and wherever books are sold.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Frank surea is, Barnes and Noble, Walmart, wherever you want
to go.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Go check it out Cool Heroes for Boys. Frank, great
to talk to you man, Good luck and happy Father's Day.
Thank you. Book
As we approach Father's Day this Sunday. Who are the
heroes that dads want for their sons these days if
they want them to look up to someone other than
of course, Dad, the most important hero in so many
lives all over this country. Where can they find them?
Frank Minider joins us. Now he's an author of Cool
(00:20):
Heroes for Boys twenty True Tales of Adventure. So tell
us about this one, because I think it's a great,
a great way to celebrate and kick off and enjoy
Father's Day. Cool Heroes for Boys your book? What's it
all about?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, this one actually began in a library when my
son was nine he's now thirteen, and I was looking
for books for him, for heroes, to get him interested
in reading, and to find real guys who would show
him the way, the path, the pathfinders, and I could
not find any in the library. All the books I
grew up on were not there. That they were gone,
and in their place was all this politically correct stuff.
So we went over to Barnes and Noble took a look,
(00:57):
and it was even worse. I couldn't believe how bad
it was. I'm like, well, what about heroes? What heroes
have you met in school? What are they talking about?
And he mentioned Paul Revered, but he thought it was
kind of laying. The guy just rode a horse and shouted,
the British are coming. I said, yeah, but did you
know there actually were going for the people's guns. They
were leaving Boston to go and seize their guns. And
actually inside of Boston later the British actually seesed his guns.
(01:19):
They took Paul Revere's guns from him. You know that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And he didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So he said, well, let's let's go on the Let's
go to Boston and we walked to the Freedom Trail and
we saw all that history and we were there see
where the shop heard around the world happened, and then
a speech piece of this. I just started following the
history with him. Went to Gettysburg and stead of a
Chamberlain's wall where he stood down during that a critical
battle and it became the hero, one of the major
heroes of that war winning the Freedom. It's someone I
(01:44):
just started following his past with him and discovering the
stories that were there with him, and then said, well,
I've got.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
To write that. I've gotta write this book for you
because this is there.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I'm an author. Let's let's get this down. So he
became my first and worst important editor on this book.
If something didn't resonate with him, I thought, now that's
not going to work. I'm running this book for him
and his generation. We need to bring the heroes to
this generation. They're all being destroyed today by the Left.
They're carrying down the statues of them, ripping them all down,
leaving a few caricatures into.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Textbooks, not much at all. So that was the quest.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And we've been on now four or five years, running
around the country doing this kind of stuff together, even
in Japan going to the forty seven Ronen Shrine to
see those heroes. We've been around the world doing this
kind of stuff, and so now it's all together in
the pages of the book Cool Heroes for Boys.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Tell me, in this book you discussed the original Tony Stark,
the original Iron Man, if you will, his invention factory,
the real one. So who was this? Because I got
to say I read this, I goo, are we talking
Edison Tesla? Who's the original Tony Stark?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, it's Thomas Edison and his invention factory that is
actually a National Park in New Jersey, and I took
my son there and walked around it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's cool, and it's still full of his old.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Notebooks where he'd walk around scribbling out his different inventions,
many of which never made We has head over a
thousand patents, and my son's like, well, this is kind
of cool. I said, well, the history of it's even cooler.
Did you know his father thought he was no good?
He kept getting thrown out of schools. He was literally
dragged the middle of town and beaten pick up for
being adult as they called him back then. At twelve,
he was basically out of school and he just started
(03:14):
teaching himself, creating his own lab. Ended up publishing a
newspaper on a train with one of his chemistry experiments.
He almost burned up a whole train car, was thrown
off the train, and then started his adventures of inventing,
and piece by piece he invented himself. So yeah, he
became the original Tony Stark. Tony Stark is a beautiful
fabrication in the movies Iron Man, but we had the
real Tony Stark in this country.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Had Thomas Edison?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Are there any here? Now? This is taking us a
little bit outside of maybe the scope of the book,
because you're looking at real heroes, real men who did
things that are heroic and should be praise, perhaps even emulated,
certainly inspire young men like your son. If you have to, though,
start to pick from the canon of fictional heros that
(03:57):
you think still stand the test of time, are still worthwhile.
You know what, what are the some of the fictional
heroes that you would want your thirteen year old son
to become familiar with and say, look, just because the
guy isn't real doesn't mean you know, well, I was
gonna say, is the Iliad real or not? Actually kind
of is probably real. But you know there's some stuff where,
(04:18):
you know, if you're a big Lord of the Rings fan,
you know, maybe you think that Eric Gord is it
great here? I don't know, But who from the fictional
side of things do you support your son celebrating?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, you know, I handed on The Old Man and
the Boy, which is a book I loved when I
was a kid, Robert Rook's classic that talks about this
kid growing up with his grandfather that Robert work about,
and he loved it. You know, he goes hunting with me,
he gets that whole part. You know, he likes to shoot,
so he got what that was going on in that
beautiful book, but it didn't completely resonate because that is
an older book, and that was part of the problem
(04:52):
with fat So I gave him Georgia Orwell's Animal Farm
and he liked it. And he read Lewis Carroll and
he liked it. I handed it in the Sun also rise.
I'll be way over his head, but that's actually a
very readable book and that Jake the main character, and
that resonated with him, and he thought, cool, dadd you've
run with the bulls. I'd like to run with the
bulls with you someday. So things surprise you pop up.
But it's finding ones for his generation that speak to
(05:14):
him now is the hardest part. And I know I
know for a fact his teachers are not doing that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Have you ever, Just as a side note, talking about
the running of the bulls in Pamplona, Spain, Right, I'm
gonna I'm gonna say to you, Frank, I would avoid
that one if it sounds I think it sounds a lot,
so much fun.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh, had you been in the streets twenty times with
the bulls?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You've done this.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Many many times.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You have done the bulls. I was because I was
gonna say, I've seen the PBR circuit and a pissed
off bull is nothing to mess around with. You have
done the Running of the Bulls twenty times. Okay, we
had a whole podcast just on this. What was this like?
Did he ever get hit by one? Do you ever
see anyone get wasted a little bit? Not killed? Obviously?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That was Yeah, I've seen I've seen people. I've seen
him in the streets. Yeah, I've seen blood, and I've
come very close. Like one run, I put myself in
a stupid place right around it's called La Curva, and
it's thought you're not supposed to be only a few
basks the real experienced runners run there, and I thought,
I'm good enough, I can be there. And I got
in real trouble and almost got destroyed and I just
managed to get out the way and the guy next
(06:18):
to me got hooked in the leg and they took
him off on a stretcher.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So yeah, that absolutely does happen.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay, Okay, sorry, you're gonna take me cool Heroes for Boys?
Is this book? This is awesome? Apparently Frank Minider is
now a hero of mine. I've actually never met anybody
who's done the Running of the Bulls, right, so I've
only seen like movies or videos of it. Take me
to the beginning. How does this start? Like, where do
you show up? I mean, I mean really take me
through some of the play by play. How does this go?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, you have to get into the street before it runs,
you know, so you're it now runs at eight am,
used to be seven. And you get into the street
and it's packed. They can see everyone down near the bottom,
and everyone's nervous. He smells his tos drawn and people
are losing it. Actually, one guy of me an American,
he said, I can't take it anymore because they're announcing.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
The bulls are coming one minute. Here's what you have
to do to survive.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You go down, stay down because the bull's horns face
board and they'll go through you. And he couldn't take
it anymore. And he went under the fence and his
two fences, and it's police between the fences, because what
they want to do was stop you from escaping, right,
And so he goes but he can't take anywhere. He
goes under the fence and his Spanish cop takes out
his batana, just beats this guy and throws him back
into the thing. And he says to him, and he
(07:27):
said it in English, he wanted to be a man
run with the bulls. Now you must be a man
and run with the bulls. What they don't want is
people losing it trying to climb over the fence and
you get a log jam and the bulls hit that
and then people really get hurt. They want the flow
moving down the street. So that's what they were, you know.
And he was there as the guy the sense for
watching over there.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Second. Okay, so you're telling me that there are people
that want to running the bulls, and then they're in
the street where the bulls are coming, and if they
freak out, the cops will be like, nope, you're in it,
like and they'll they'll even hit you with the pond
to make sure you stay there and finish what you started.
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah. I had a girl and another American jump on
my back at one point, right when the bulls were
coming on me, and she screamed in my ear, we're
gonna die. And with us stopped in the middle of
the street.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
She's on my back. I mean, what can I possibly do?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So I threw an elbow right into her face like
I had not truly, I didn't knock her off me
and she went flying and I ran with it. Well,
I don't know what happened to her after that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That's some that's some wild stuff you got going on here. Okay.
The craziest part is when you go into the go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
The craziest part because they allow these cows with leather
on their horns to come out and just throw people,
and you got to stay with them. And again an
American Americans just don't know this is about honor anymore.
They decided they're gonna steer wrestle. They're gonna jump on
its horns and deal with it. Well, a bunch of
the Spanish bosos is what they'll do. They're forcing the code.
They beat the heck out of this guy to lose
(08:53):
in a feedb position in the middle of the ground
because you don't abuse those those uh they're called the
Vodkas that come out and throw you. So yeah, I've
been thrown by them. They'll hurt you. They run right
through the guy and you see people just pop it
up in the air and in the stadium is filled
with twenty five thousand people cheering as this happens.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
How do you sign up for this or do you
just go and you just you you get into it
like you just show you know.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I recommend finding a guide. I found a guide and
he's the perfect name. He's Cuban American in Miami. But
his name is actually Juan Macho and I write about
it in a book, This will Make a Man of You,
And he was my guide through the in Seattle, and
it's it's actually I'm a Catholic and it's a it's
a it's a Catholic. There's a saint that they literally
cut carry around and saying, I mean there's a whole
Catholic which will you go to the Catholic Mass and
(09:38):
you get blessed as a runner.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
There's a whole religious element to the fiesta.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Ah yeah, I mean I would probably be saying some
prayers before those bulls came down at me at at
full speed. This is fast. Are there any other things
that you know, you you out there, like hunting grizzly
with like a sharpened piece of flint, or you know,
any other like man stuff that you want to tell
that would be a little but you know it's it's
one thing to go to like you know, the Hemingway
(10:04):
house or something. It's another thing to do the running
with the bulls. What else has been on the agenda?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, I've shot brown bear and cape buffalo and in Tanzania,
and I was charged by an elephant in South Africa.
But you knew he was going to stop. If you
know elephants, he actually has ears out and that's you're
trying to they're trying to intimidate you. So he had
his big bull, but he put his ear's way out
and he knocked over a tree and the leaves actually
blew over us.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
We stopped there and looked down at us, and I
was with my my pression hunt pH and pH actually
took off his hat and shook it at the at
the bowl and the bull actually it was funny. It
flinched like a dog you were trying to kick and.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It ran away. Wow, what to you? Having been out
there in Tanzania and and and done some hunting and
obviously guided guided expeditions, the most surprisingly dangerous animal is
is what is it? Is it? The I mean, elephants
are huge. I feel like you can't be that surprised
that they're dangerous, right, But what's the most surprisingly dangerous
(11:04):
animal from your experience of hunting big game in Africa?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Surprisingly well, the k buffalo is. Once you wounded it,
it's extremely dangerous. And one I killed, he did turn
to charge and he started to come and I put
him down. They'll if you wound one, I shoot him.
And they're very hard to really just break them down.
Do you put them down? They will come and and
it's you know, go on YouTube. You can see many
videos of it. Elephants need more think and there's a
(11:32):
process to it. The ones that's scared scared me sillier crocodiles,
and I've been around too many. I don't like that
across an animal that big, thousands of pounds, you know,
fifteen feet long, could be in water right next to
you and you don't even know it there.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I mean, I've seen again, I've just seen video. Although
I'm here in Florida, so I've gotten these alligators. So
it's interesting. You know, you'll appreciate this as as as
a sort of modern hemingway. Ask figure yourself. People who
know alligat say that alligators are actually not particularly aggressive,
and you know, generally speaking, if you kind of know
(12:07):
what you're doing around alligators, keep your distance and everything
else people have been around. Nile crocodiles are like your food.
It's a whole different thing. You're really not food to
alligators for the most part. Your dog may be. Obviously
they'll go after smaller people, small children, So there's real
danger there. But it's extremely rare for an alligator, an
American alligator, to be like, I'm going to eat you.
(12:29):
Every This is what I've been told by people like
you who have been out there. Every time you see
a nile crocodile, it's like, could I get this? Guy?
Could I eat this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
If it's about two thousand people years to leading about
a non crocodile, they're very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, that's astonishing. Man, I had no idea we're going
in this direction. Here we go. Cool Heroes for Boys,
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heroes we haven't gone to yet from your book Cool
Heroes for Boys or do you just want to tell
me about the time that you scared down a pack
of headhunters in Papula and New Guinea. You know anything
(14:08):
else you want to throw in the next frame.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, I haven't stared down at any headhunters. I've been
far up to Zingu River in Brazil, which is another adventure.
But now this book is loaded with different heroes, and
some of them really surprised me. You know, Davy Crockett,
remember the show, But I didn't realize that he stood
up against the he didn't removal act. And of course
I knew he died in the Alamo, but I didn't
realize he died fighting with a knife, and that knife
is still in a museum in Texas. On and on,
(14:32):
all these heroes. Alan Turing, the codebreaker of w War two,
should be much more celebrated, but he's not. And he
was kind of killed by the British government. It is
awful what happened to him. On and on, the Jesse Owens,
who went to the thirty six Olympics in Berlin and
stood up to Nazism as a black athlete. And I
didn't know that the founder of Adidas before it was Adidas,
(14:55):
actually came to him with a pair of cleats and
said would you wear these Here's this white German coming
up to him during Nazism right in the Third Reich,
saying would you wear these shoes? A black American sprinter
And he looked at the shoes so they were pretty good,
and wore them and he actually won his events that
he got his gold medals in that Olympics wearing the
shoes from the who would become the founder of Adidas.
(15:16):
This these stories that bring people together that when you
tell the truth about things, they resonate. I mean, the
left hates that they want to caricature and destroy these heroes.
When you really tell the truth, give the well rounded truth,
even the bad stuff, the stuff that's not politically correct today,
it really resonates. It certainly does with my son.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Frank Mineer everybody. Cool Heroes for Boys book available on
Amazon and wherever books are sold.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Frank surea is, Barnes and Noble, Walmart, wherever you want
to go.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Go check it out Cool Heroes for Boys. Frank, great
to talk to you man, Good luck and happy Father's Day.
Thank you. Book
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