March 27, 2026 • 16 mins
Buck Sexton speaks with Jeremy Carl about his withdrawn State Department nomination, the intense Senate scrutiny over his past statements, and what it reveals about today’s political climate, before diving into major crime stories, controversial statistics, immigration enforcement, and the broader debate over criminal justice policy, public safety, and whether existing laws are being properly enforced in the United States.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Buck Brief. Jeremy Carl with us now. He
is fearless, he is brilliant, and he has been through
the ringer recently. So we're gonna talk to him about
some news of the day, some of these big crime
stories and the stat that has gotten a lot of attention.
For example, three hundred and fifty six people in New
York City who were involved in shootings in twenty twenty
five were black, two of them were white. That's a
(00:41):
pretty big disparity for a city of eight point five
million people. I think we should talk about criminal justice
policy a bit. But before we get there, our friend
Jeremy Carl, author of the Unprotected Class, Sir, you just
you just got put through it a bit. Well, I
can tell everybody you were up for a job for
the State Department, and the long knives came out from
some senators. What happened?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, no, thanks, I was I was up for The
President nominated me for an Assistant Secretary of State position,
and that's required Senate confirmation. And went up before the Senate,
and the Democrats, having read all of my writings and
all of my tweets and listened to every single podcast
I've been on, and I don't mean that with any exaggeration,
(01:24):
had a list of all the horrible things that I
had said which they yelled at me about, and they
convinced at least one squishy Republican to perhaps be nervous
about me as well. So I wasn't going to get confirmed, unfortunately,
so I had to withdraw.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But it was a really interesting experience to go through.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Who was the Republican squish John Curtis, former chair of
the Utah County Democratic Party, been making some news for
other areas which he has perhaps not been such a
stalwart ally of our party recently.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
But I'm going to try to take the high road.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't want to dwell on any one person in particular,
but we've just, you know, we've got some challenges to
the party we've got to address.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm gonna tell you something because I can do what
I want. I know, I get to be a bomb thrower,
my friend, I could do whatever, right. So I'm gonna
talk radio in fact of anything, I'm probably too nice.
Utah produces some of the worst Republicans of any state
in the country. It's not just this senator being squishy.
I don't know what it is. I love the people
of Utah. I'd go to Salt Lake City or I
(02:24):
particularly get outside of Salt Lake City a little bit,
but even in Salt Lake and I have all these
Utah's who listened to the show who I love. I'm
totally lined. I did a big event in Utah about
eighteen months ago, like eight hundred people there. They're awesome.
And at that event, by the way, I was like,
what is it with you guys having a squishy governor?
Now they've got this squishy senator. I'm like, it's Utah.
(02:45):
This is like, how do we get these weak Republicans
in super red states.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's fascinating. And the only way that we got
Mike Lee, who is actually very good overall, in my opinion,
is that there was some stuff that activists did at
the party convention to kind of stop the very squishy
senator who he replaced. But if it had just been
up to kind of the media in Utah voter, we
might have had a little bit of a difficult time.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it's a challenge.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know, so supposed to be a conservative state, but
the politicians they are often not very conservative.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What can I ask you? I mean, I'm going to
so I guess can I ask you? As the wordless preamble,
but but yeah, I'm about to What was the thing
they thought you said that was the worst thing?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh gosh, I mean they literally had poster boards of
my greatest.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hits that they put up. I'm not kidding, And I asked,
I love your stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm wondering what I'm gonna get canceled for. I'm like,
I'm a I'm a I'm a Jeremy Carl fan. What
am I going to get in trouble for?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Go ahead?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, you know, it's sort of funny, and I think,
you know, my nominations team, which is so buttoned up,
was kind of appalled because afterwards, I wanted to see
whether I could get the poster boards to you know,
Kate cake and souvenirs for my wall because I was like, yeah,
those are some pretty juicy ones. But you know, look,
I mean I would totally stand behind and a couple
of them were like, you know, because you're talking all
(04:02):
the time. Not everything you say is the perfect thing
that you'd love blown up in ninety two point type
sitting in front of the Senate. But yeah, you know,
just things related to race, things related to They hit
me on feminism, other stuff. So there was just a
there was a parade of horribles. I was the proverbial
basket of deplorables all wrapped up in one one person.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And that's just how it was.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think we're at this phase where we just have
to keep pushing and keep fighting and stay on offense
as much as possible. For example, you know, I'm here
in the great State of Florida, which I will say,
I think you know mont Okay, I know a little
bit about Montana politics, not not that much, but enough
to know you're one of these states, correct me? If
I'm off here has it's it's red, but it has
(04:48):
this huge squath of independence. So it's a little bit
funkier and actually a little more democrat leaning in some
ways than a lot of people would think. It's not
a it's not like a bright red state. It's it's
got this whole independent streak, like like everyone's an extra
on a Taylor Sheridan show.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, that might be a good way to putting.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I think if you look at the people who are
moving here, there's no question we have the numbers that
it's clearly trending to a more deep red. But I
think a lot of our politicians, unfortunately in Montana, still
have not gotten the memo, and a lot of them
are still probably a little bit more aligned with the
Democrats than they really should be given our voter base.
So I mean, if you look since nineteen forty eight,
(05:31):
Montana has supported the Democrat. I think, you know, maybe
one Bill Clinton won a three ways split with Perrot
where he took like thirty six percent, but he took
the state. So it's it is a pretty Republican state.
But there's a lot of a lot of Republicans who
are independent in perhaps not the best ways to be independent.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, all right, let's It's the one thing I want
to mention for when before we get into the crime talk,
because I want to get you into some trouble because
you know, how bad can it be compared to the
Senate stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It be a walk in the park, It'd.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Be a cake walk compared to that. The rule that
I forget what it's called. If Clay was here, he
would be shouting it because he sports stuff. But there's
a rule that you have to you have to interview
in the NFL minority like I think, I don't know
how many, at least one, I guess, but you have
to interview a minority coach before you hire a coach.
(06:24):
And I believe that Florida Attorney General is challenging that
in the state of Florida. And I see here and
I go yeah, because that rule is flatly unconstitutional. Everybody,
this is we need a whole reset of the thinking
of institutions, including the NFL if they're in America, the
Constitution applies. You can't have these racial quotas, racial set asides,
racial laws anymore. It's illegal.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, no, absolutely, And my friend Harmy Dylan, who's running
up a DJ civil rights division, has kind of just
been doing that, right. The illegal stuff has been going
on for so long and plain sight that people weren't
even challenging it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And now people like.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The Florida AG I did see this story today that
you just mentioned, are coming up and saying, hey, wait,
actually you know this type of racial profiling, politicing, whatever
you want to call it is in fact against the law.
And it's one of the reasons why I've actually been
a little bit hesitant, as has har Meat about people saying, oh, well,
we just need to get rid of all civil rights laws.
I mean, we do need to do some very fundamental
reforms of certain civil rights laws, but there's also times
(07:23):
where we just need to enforce the laws on the
books to say, yeah, that actually means you can't discriminate
against white people as well, and that's what we've kind
of got here.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This is one of my big things on immigration. As
people keep saying, I said, before you're allowed to say
Congress needs to pass a law to address I insist
that everybody look at what the laws actually are, because
things like repeat entry after a deport to it's a felony, yeah,
punishable for the ten years in federal prison. Like if
(07:52):
you get deported and you come back, that's already a felony,
but they never enforce it. They will not do this.
You know, this is the same thing with civil rights
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at this point now, I could pick any number of stories.
The guy in Seattle who murdered a woman. They say
(08:57):
he's crazy, and now he gets sent to a psychiatric
facility where he could theoretically be released at any time. Right,
they decide that this guy's fine, they can let him out,
and people say, oh, that won't happen. Really, really, we'll
see about that. The story of the illegal that killed
the college student in Chicago. I mean, there's all these
(09:18):
stories across the country, and one thing keeps coming up.
So many of these Democrats will not change any of
the policies. And it's really more about policy than law,
because what it is they refuse to actually use laws
on the books as tools of enforcing the law.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And I mean I want to say this, and it's
going to sound a little extreme maybe to some people,
but maybe not in this conversation, but I mean it actually,
very soberly, I think we need to be executing about
one hundred times more people than we are. We had
fifty one executions in the United States last year. You
shouldn't be one thousand and fifty. One thousand be way
too many, but five hundred and ten wouldn't be. No,
(09:59):
But they're about five thousand guys who are either murderers
or repeat serious violent offenders who if we're serious about
crime prevention, we need to just use the capital punishment
tools that are on the books. Stop having these ridiculous
things where people are on death row for thirty years
for crimes.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That everybody knew that they committed.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And we need to get we need to get serious
about capital punishment, about enforcing the laws that we have
long prison sentences from violent felons, whatever have you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And you know, we're just not there yet.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And of course the Democrats are always throwing a wrench
into the works.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I just I feel like the way the Democrat mentality
on this stuff. Here's an example this you might have
seen this. I grew up on the Upper East Side
of Manhattan. That was my neighborhood. And so really I
should be the one wearing a blue blazer and a
button down shirt. But that's okay, You're you're looking much
more dapper than me today. But I grew up on
the Upper east Side. And there was this incident in
(10:54):
the in the subway system where an eighty four year
old veteran was shoved onto the tracks by some lunatic
with a long criminal history. He's an legal alien, arrested
many times for serious crimes, including violent crimes, and this
individual gets shoved on the Tray, eighty four year old
veteran dies and you know, now we're told, oh, what
(11:16):
a tragedy, but it was an entirely it wasn't just
a preventable tragedy. The state, and I mean that as
in New York State or the City of New York
under New York State jurisdiction, should have prevented this. Like
this man is dead because of idiot democrats in the
prosecutor's offices in the Legislative Assembly. It's just to me,
(11:37):
it couldn't be any more clear. They're okay with this.
This is the cost of doing business.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I mean, the state in the city in this case
is really an accessory to murder as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, you can't charge them, unfortunately, you can't charge
the people involved. But it's outrageous, right, and the fact
that this person's here is outrageous. And the fact that
we're not going to have I mean, there's no question
this guy.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Did it right, presumably, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I mean, maybe there's not video evidence, but it sounds
like there is.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
No There are tons of eyewitnesses. He's not even denying it.
The guy, I mean, you know, the guy did it,
everyone saw.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You should have a couple of months due process for
whatever that looks like. And then you know, a humane
in my view because I'm not like a bloodthirsty guy,
but a humane appropriate capital punishment for this crime and
you're done. But but we don't have that, and even
if you don't, you're not maybe as enthusiastic about upping
the capital punishment numbers. Is me a humane like lifetime
(12:29):
sentence and we're done, and we're not sitting there talking
about it, and you know, we're not doing this for
every three years, whether he might be proled or not.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I just the other part of this that I find
so enraging is that they they know that these people
are at risk, and they let them out anyway, and
you know, they let them out and they'll they'll help
them because this was an illegal alien, by the way,
who had already been deported, already been deported in the
case of this New York City murder, is what this
guy did. And so they make the decision, Hey, we
(13:00):
have this dangerous felon in custody. ICE wants him. We though,
refuse to even notify ICE and and respect their detainer request.
So so he can then be lawfully, lawfully take in
and remove from this country. To me, I use the
word and accomplished to murder. I think that's absolutely correct.
(13:22):
And you know one analogy that I did on Radio
Jeremy which feel free to ever borrow this yor use
this if you like, but it really resonated with people.
I said, here, I'm I'm a dog owner. Okay, are
you a dog guy?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I like dogs?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well enough, yeah, okay, fair enough, that's okay. We're still friends.
So I'm a dog owner. I like dogs. And if
I you know, there's a there's a a dog run
right in my neighborhood here. If I saw, if I
saw someone's dog was like a was like a pit
bull that was running free without a leash, and it
attacked and killed a little poodle in that dog run
(13:56):
and I and I pulled it off, and you know,
I'm like, okay, I've got this thing. I've got it off,
and now I'm in control of it. And then I
walked it over and I said, you know, I don't
want anyone to think poorly of pit bulls. So I'm
gonna let it loose in this other park and see
what happens, everybody would think that I was a monster
and it was my fault. Yeah, cops are doing that
in American cities with human beings who are violent criminals,
(14:17):
because there are legal aliens every day, every day, all
across the country.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
This is happening. It's it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And I think the first person, you know, the first
mayor or whoever it is, who really cracks down on
crime in a fundamental way and just changes the entire
paradigm about how we're thinking about it. You look at
what Bouquelea did in El Salvador, where he dropped crime
like ninety five plus percent by just, you know, shockingly
putting all the bad guys in prison, right like, that's
what it took.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And shockingly, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Democrats have this theory that somehow there's this fixed amount
of crime and that if you put certain bad guys
in prison, there's going to be more people who are
going to come in and do the crimes. But in fact,
that's not how things work. We could choose, we could
choose to have public order in this country, and we
simply don't because liberals don't want us to, and conservatives
(15:07):
have just not led aggressively enough on this issue, even
though it would be a huge political winner.
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
That'd be great, I'd love I think the more pressure
the better would really help out a lot of these guys.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
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good ones. Thanks for being here, Buddy, good to talk
to you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Thanks so much, Buck, it's a real pleasure to speak
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Buck Brief. Jeremy Carl with us now. He
is fearless, he is brilliant, and he has been through
the ringer recently. So we're gonna talk to him about
some news of the day, some of these big crime
stories and the stat that has gotten a lot of attention.
For example, three hundred and fifty six people in New
York City who were involved in shootings in twenty twenty
five were black, two of them were white. That's a
(00:41):
pretty big disparity for a city of eight point five
million people. I think we should talk about criminal justice
policy a bit. But before we get there, our friend
Jeremy Carl, author of the Unprotected Class, Sir, you just
you just got put through it a bit. Well, I
can tell everybody you were up for a job for
the State Department, and the long knives came out from
some senators. What happened?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, no, thanks, I was I was up for The
President nominated me for an Assistant Secretary of State position,
and that's required Senate confirmation. And went up before the Senate,
and the Democrats, having read all of my writings and
all of my tweets and listened to every single podcast
I've been on, and I don't mean that with any exaggeration,
(01:24):
had a list of all the horrible things that I
had said which they yelled at me about, and they
convinced at least one squishy Republican to perhaps be nervous
about me as well. So I wasn't going to get confirmed, unfortunately,
so I had to withdraw.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But it was a really interesting experience to go through.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Who was the Republican squish John Curtis, former chair of
the Utah County Democratic Party, been making some news for
other areas which he has perhaps not been such a
stalwart ally of our party recently.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
But I'm going to try to take the high road.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I don't want to dwell on any one person in particular,
but we've just, you know, we've got some challenges to
the party we've got to address.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm gonna tell you something because I can do what
I want. I know, I get to be a bomb thrower,
my friend, I could do whatever, right. So I'm gonna
talk radio in fact of anything, I'm probably too nice.
Utah produces some of the worst Republicans of any state
in the country. It's not just this senator being squishy.
I don't know what it is. I love the people
of Utah. I'd go to Salt Lake City or I
(02:24):
particularly get outside of Salt Lake City a little bit,
but even in Salt Lake and I have all these
Utah's who listened to the show who I love. I'm
totally lined. I did a big event in Utah about
eighteen months ago, like eight hundred people there. They're awesome.
And at that event, by the way, I was like,
what is it with you guys having a squishy governor?
Now they've got this squishy senator. I'm like, it's Utah.
(02:45):
This is like, how do we get these weak Republicans
in super red states.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's fascinating. And the only way that we got
Mike Lee, who is actually very good overall, in my opinion,
is that there was some stuff that activists did at
the party convention to kind of stop the very squishy
senator who he replaced. But if it had just been
up to kind of the media in Utah voter, we
might have had a little bit of a difficult time.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it's a challenge.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know, so supposed to be a conservative state, but
the politicians they are often not very conservative.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What can I ask you? I mean, I'm going to
so I guess can I ask you? As the wordless preamble,
but but yeah, I'm about to What was the thing
they thought you said that was the worst thing?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh gosh, I mean they literally had poster boards of
my greatest.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hits that they put up. I'm not kidding, And I asked,
I love your stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm wondering what I'm gonna get canceled for. I'm like,
I'm a I'm a I'm a Jeremy Carl fan. What
am I going to get in trouble for?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Go ahead?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, you know, it's sort of funny, and I think,
you know, my nominations team, which is so buttoned up,
was kind of appalled because afterwards, I wanted to see
whether I could get the poster boards to you know,
Kate cake and souvenirs for my wall because I was like, yeah,
those are some pretty juicy ones. But you know, look,
I mean I would totally stand behind and a couple
of them were like, you know, because you're talking all
(04:02):
the time. Not everything you say is the perfect thing
that you'd love blown up in ninety two point type
sitting in front of the Senate. But yeah, you know,
just things related to race, things related to They hit
me on feminism, other stuff. So there was just a
there was a parade of horribles. I was the proverbial
basket of deplorables all wrapped up in one one person.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And that's just how it was.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think we're at this phase where we just have
to keep pushing and keep fighting and stay on offense
as much as possible. For example, you know, I'm here
in the great State of Florida, which I will say,
I think you know mont Okay, I know a little
bit about Montana politics, not not that much, but enough
to know you're one of these states, correct me? If
I'm off here has it's it's red, but it has
(04:48):
this huge squath of independence. So it's a little bit
funkier and actually a little more democrat leaning in some
ways than a lot of people would think. It's not
a it's not like a bright red state. It's it's
got this whole independent streak, like like everyone's an extra
on a Taylor Sheridan show.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, that might be a good way to putting.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I think if you look at the people who are
moving here, there's no question we have the numbers that
it's clearly trending to a more deep red. But I
think a lot of our politicians, unfortunately in Montana, still
have not gotten the memo, and a lot of them
are still probably a little bit more aligned with the
Democrats than they really should be given our voter base.
So I mean, if you look since nineteen forty eight,
(05:31):
Montana has supported the Democrat. I think, you know, maybe
one Bill Clinton won a three ways split with Perrot
where he took like thirty six percent, but he took
the state. So it's it is a pretty Republican state.
But there's a lot of a lot of Republicans who
are independent in perhaps not the best ways to be independent.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, all right, let's It's the one thing I want
to mention for when before we get into the crime talk,
because I want to get you into some trouble because
you know, how bad can it be compared to the
Senate stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It be a walk in the park, It'd.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Be a cake walk compared to that. The rule that
I forget what it's called. If Clay was here, he
would be shouting it because he sports stuff. But there's
a rule that you have to you have to interview
in the NFL minority like I think, I don't know
how many, at least one, I guess, but you have
to interview a minority coach before you hire a coach.
(06:24):
And I believe that Florida Attorney General is challenging that
in the state of Florida. And I see here and
I go yeah, because that rule is flatly unconstitutional. Everybody,
this is we need a whole reset of the thinking
of institutions, including the NFL if they're in America, the
Constitution applies. You can't have these racial quotas, racial set asides,
racial laws anymore. It's illegal.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, no, absolutely, And my friend Harmy Dylan, who's running
up a DJ civil rights division, has kind of just
been doing that, right. The illegal stuff has been going
on for so long and plain sight that people weren't
even challenging it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And now people like.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The Florida AG I did see this story today that
you just mentioned, are coming up and saying, hey, wait,
actually you know this type of racial profiling, politicing, whatever
you want to call it is in fact against the law.
And it's one of the reasons why I've actually been
a little bit hesitant, as has har Meat about people saying, oh, well,
we just need to get rid of all civil rights laws.
I mean, we do need to do some very fundamental
reforms of certain civil rights laws, but there's also times
(07:23):
where we just need to enforce the laws on the
books to say, yeah, that actually means you can't discriminate
against white people as well, and that's what we've kind
of got here.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This is one of my big things on immigration. As
people keep saying, I said, before you're allowed to say
Congress needs to pass a law to address I insist
that everybody look at what the laws actually are, because
things like repeat entry after a deport to it's a felony, yeah,
punishable for the ten years in federal prison. Like if
(07:52):
you get deported and you come back, that's already a felony,
but they never enforce it. They will not do this.
You know, this is the same thing with civil rights
laws that arerit in the books. A sponsor here, before
you get into criminal justice, you're gonna want to hear
Jeremy take on that sponsor here, Birch Gold Group of
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at this point now, I could pick any number of stories.
The guy in Seattle who murdered a woman. They say
(08:57):
he's crazy, and now he gets sent to a psychiatric
facility where he could theoretically be released at any time. Right,
they decide that this guy's fine, they can let him out,
and people say, oh, that won't happen. Really, really, we'll
see about that. The story of the illegal that killed
the college student in Chicago. I mean, there's all these
(09:18):
stories across the country, and one thing keeps coming up.
So many of these Democrats will not change any of
the policies. And it's really more about policy than law,
because what it is they refuse to actually use laws
on the books as tools of enforcing the law.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And I mean I want to say this, and it's
going to sound a little extreme maybe to some people,
but maybe not in this conversation, but I mean it actually,
very soberly, I think we need to be executing about
one hundred times more people than we are. We had
fifty one executions in the United States last year. You
shouldn't be one thousand and fifty. One thousand be way
too many, but five hundred and ten wouldn't be. No,
(09:59):
But they're about five thousand guys who are either murderers
or repeat serious violent offenders who if we're serious about
crime prevention, we need to just use the capital punishment
tools that are on the books. Stop having these ridiculous
things where people are on death row for thirty years
for crimes.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That everybody knew that they committed.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And we need to get we need to get serious
about capital punishment, about enforcing the laws that we have
long prison sentences from violent felons, whatever have you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
And you know, we're just not there yet.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And of course the Democrats are always throwing a wrench
into the works.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I just I feel like the way the Democrat mentality
on this stuff. Here's an example this you might have
seen this. I grew up on the Upper East Side
of Manhattan. That was my neighborhood. And so really I
should be the one wearing a blue blazer and a
button down shirt. But that's okay, You're you're looking much
more dapper than me today. But I grew up on
the Upper east Side. And there was this incident in
(10:54):
the in the subway system where an eighty four year
old veteran was shoved onto the tracks by some lunatic
with a long criminal history. He's an legal alien, arrested
many times for serious crimes, including violent crimes, and this
individual gets shoved on the Tray, eighty four year old
veteran dies and you know, now we're told, oh, what
(11:16):
a tragedy, but it was an entirely it wasn't just
a preventable tragedy. The state, and I mean that as
in New York State or the City of New York
under New York State jurisdiction, should have prevented this. Like
this man is dead because of idiot democrats in the
prosecutor's offices in the Legislative Assembly. It's just to me,
(11:37):
it couldn't be any more clear. They're okay with this.
This is the cost of doing business.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I mean, the state in the city in this case
is really an accessory to murder as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, you can't charge them, unfortunately, you can't charge
the people involved. But it's outrageous, right, and the fact
that this person's here is outrageous. And the fact that
we're not going to have I mean, there's no question
this guy.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Did it right, presumably, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I mean, maybe there's not video evidence, but it sounds
like there is.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
No There are tons of eyewitnesses. He's not even denying it.
The guy, I mean, you know, the guy did it,
everyone saw.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You should have a couple of months due process for
whatever that looks like. And then you know, a humane
in my view because I'm not like a bloodthirsty guy,
but a humane appropriate capital punishment for this crime and
you're done. But but we don't have that, and even
if you don't, you're not maybe as enthusiastic about upping
the capital punishment numbers. Is me a humane like lifetime
(12:29):
sentence and we're done, and we're not sitting there talking
about it, and you know, we're not doing this for
every three years, whether he might be proled or not.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I just the other part of this that I find
so enraging is that they they know that these people
are at risk, and they let them out anyway, and
you know, they let them out and they'll they'll help
them because this was an illegal alien, by the way,
who had already been deported, already been deported in the
case of this New York City murder, is what this
guy did. And so they make the decision, Hey, we
(13:00):
have this dangerous felon in custody. ICE wants him. We though,
refuse to even notify ICE and and respect their detainer request.
So so he can then be lawfully, lawfully take in
and remove from this country. To me, I use the
word and accomplished to murder. I think that's absolutely correct.
(13:22):
And you know one analogy that I did on Radio
Jeremy which feel free to ever borrow this yor use
this if you like, but it really resonated with people.
I said, here, I'm I'm a dog owner. Okay, are
you a dog guy?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I like dogs?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well enough, yeah, okay, fair enough, that's okay. We're still friends.
So I'm a dog owner. I like dogs. And if
I you know, there's a there's a a dog run
right in my neighborhood here. If I saw, if I
saw someone's dog was like a was like a pit
bull that was running free without a leash, and it
attacked and killed a little poodle in that dog run
(13:56):
and I and I pulled it off, and you know,
I'm like, okay, I've got this thing. I've got it off,
and now I'm in control of it. And then I
walked it over and I said, you know, I don't
want anyone to think poorly of pit bulls. So I'm
gonna let it loose in this other park and see
what happens, everybody would think that I was a monster
and it was my fault. Yeah, cops are doing that
in American cities with human beings who are violent criminals,
(14:17):
because there are legal aliens every day, every day, all
across the country.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
This is happening. It's it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And I think the first person, you know, the first
mayor or whoever it is, who really cracks down on
crime in a fundamental way and just changes the entire
paradigm about how we're thinking about it. You look at
what Bouquelea did in El Salvador, where he dropped crime
like ninety five plus percent by just, you know, shockingly
putting all the bad guys in prison, right like, that's
what it took.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And shockingly, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Democrats have this theory that somehow there's this fixed amount
of crime and that if you put certain bad guys
in prison, there's going to be more people who are
going to come in and do the crimes. But in fact,
that's not how things work. We could choose, we could
choose to have public order in this country, and we
simply don't because liberals don't want us to, and conservatives
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have just not led aggressively enough on this issue, even
though it would be a huge political winner.
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notice on the Republican side that you know we're watching,
all right, none of this weak nonsense from them. I
don't like it.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That'd be great, I'd love I think the more pressure
the better would really help out a lot of these guys.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You let us no man, because you're one of the
good ones. Thanks for being here, Buddy, good to talk
to you.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Thanks so much, Buck, it's a real pleasure to speak
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