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December 19, 2024 34 mins
Buck Sexton speaks with Alex Berenson, the journalist who challenged the mainstream Covid narrative and won a significant legal battle to regain his Twitter account. They reflect on Donald Trump's historic victory and the pushback against corporate and governmental overreach. Alex dives into his ongoing lawsuit against Biden administration officials and Pfizer executives, alleging a coordinated effort to suppress his First Amendment rights. The conversation highlights the evolving landscape of free speech, constitutional law, and the fight for accountability.

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
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wherever you get your podcasts back by popular demand. Alex Berenson,
the man who nailed COVID. I still think you should
get even more credit for that than you do Alex,
for whatever that's worth, because I remember because there was
like Alex, and then there was a little crew of

(00:33):
us who were trying to bring more attention to your work.
Tucker was one of them, but I was certainly there too,
and I have not forgotten the COVID stuff. We're not
going to talk COVID today really, well maybe tangentially, but
we're going to dive into some other stuff with Alex Barns.
It's kind of our year in review show. Those you're
watching on video, which you should be, go to YouTube
dot com and check out the Buck Brief on YouTube. Subscribe,

(00:57):
but also subscribe to Alex's substack Unreported Truths, which I'm
a big fan of. And we were coordinated today. It
looks like we're doing a Saint Patti's show. We both
wore green for Christmas because it's right before Christmas or
Hanikah as the case may be, but here we are.
And Alex, you know one thing, like I just wanted

(01:18):
your your biggest reflection on the year right now. And
and the thing that for you defines the year is what.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I mean, I hate to, you know, say what
everybody else is gonna say, but obviously it's the victory
of Donald Trump, right, and and the and a victory
over you know, a populist revolt, a true populist revolt.
And you know, I he beat the media, he beat academia,
he beat Hollywood, he beat most of corporate America. Uh,

(01:49):
he beats sort of the philanthropy blob, he beat he
beat you know, people who donated an extra billion dollars
to the other side. He beat two assassination attempts. And
he's the he's going to be the president for the
next four years.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
And uh uh, you know, I'm I'm hopeful.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I said it, you know, three days before the election,
that I was going to vote for him. I said
it publicly, And I just I really hope that we
get sort of the Donald Trump who's the disruptor in
the in the in the way that America needs, and
not the guy who you know, the Democrats said he
was going to be.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
And we'll get to that. We'll get there because I
want to get to the law fair discussion, but I
just first because we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
But clearly his victory is an epic moment.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I mean, yeah, there's very little about Trump that I
would say has surprised me. I met him in person
the first time when I was thirteen years old, Alex,
So there's very little about Yeah. In New York, I
knew his kids a little bit, not super well, but
we you know, one of them I used to hang
out with sometimes. We were in like high school age,
and so I met him there once. But nothing about

(02:58):
Trump has ever blown my mind quite the way, certainly
after he after twenty six I'll put it this way,
after twenty sixteen, I feel like I've known Trump. But
when when he stood up and was shouting fight after
he took a five to five to six round to
the ear. Maybe it was a two two three for
the gun people, but you know, after he took a

(03:19):
rifle round to the ear and was bleeding all over
the place, that is that was honestly the most badass
thing I've ever seen in politics. I don't think I
would have done that. I'm I was amazed.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes, yes, I mean, what else is there to say about, right,
And and uh, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
He he didn't. He didn't panic.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think most even you know, even maybe anybody who's
not trained special forces would have a moment of panic
at that moment.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
He didn't have it.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
And uh, look what the Democrats and you know, I
know we'll talk law of it, but what the Democrats
tried to do to him, particularly in New York State
this spring, you know, last year, this spring, this summer,
it was disgusting. It clearly backfired on them. And I
just hope that he knows that victory, you know, is

(04:08):
the revenge that he that he needed and that he got.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I guess we'll see.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
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Speaker 2 (05:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Let's start with this because you're involved in a lawsuit,
not law fair, but a lawsuit against the Biden administration.
Bring everybody up to speed. Just give us the sort
of thirty second overview of what it is to what
you're suing Biden over and then you can start to
tell us where this stands right now?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Sure, so I'm suing the president really is not personally,
so it's what's called in his ministerial capacity. But what
I'm really assuing is a couple of guys who worked
for him.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
One named Andy Slavitt.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Oh I remember Andy Covid Slavit sure, Oh.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
God, yeah? Was he ever a panicker?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
And then a guy named Rob Flaherty was part of this,
who was the deputy campaign manager of first the Biden
ad Ministry of biden reelection campaign, then Kamala Harris's camp,
who was the director of digital strategy for the White House. Anyway,
in twenty twenty one, a Slavitt in particular led a

(06:21):
conspiracy to try and ultimately succeed in getting me banned
from Twitter, and so I became aware of you know
my band when I was banned in August twenty twenty one.
I then sued Twitter to get back on a lawsuit
that everybody said was just going to be a complete failure,
and in fact it was not. In April twenty twenty two,

(06:44):
a federal judge said I had grounds to go forward
with that lawsuit. Twitter then settled with me before Elon
Musk took over. So this is pre Musk and put
me back on, said they shouldn't have kicked me off.
I was kicked off because of comments I'd made about
COVID and the vaccine.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Specifically, Wait can I ask, because I was just I
think it's important. What was it that you said that
that got them? So what triggered the band? If you will?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
The famous fifth strike actually could not be worse for
the defense. Famous is the wrong word, but the infant
strike because COVID infamous. The COVID had this COVID Twitter
had this complicated policy of how they were going to
allow people to talk about the mRNA's in twenty twenty one,

(07:32):
and I was, you know, sort of on the forefront
of raising questions about them, and for quite for most
of twenty twenty one, they basically let me talk. And
then in the summer, as the White House really ramped
up the pressure publicly against the social media companies, they
started to issue strikes. The fifth strike was for a

(07:53):
tweet that said, and I want to get it exactly
where I may not, but it doesn't stop infection or transmission.
Don't think of it as a vaccine. Think of it
as a therapeutic, meaning like a drug that has severe
side effects and must be taken in advance of illness,

(08:13):
and we want to mandate it insanity.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
That was the whole tweet.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I think at this point everybody agrees that the first
part is true. The vaccines didn't stop infection or transmission,
and I think most people have come.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Around to the idea that mandates were a big mistake.
So that was the whole tweet. But Twitter did in
fact ban me for that tweet.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
And what I learned from Twitter in twenty twenty two
after they handed over documents to me, was that Andy
Slavitt had been involved, that the White House had been involved,
and then and to me. In some ways, this is
the most stunning part of all this, although the media,
you know, outside of a few people like you, refuse
to report on it.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
A guy named Scott Gottlieb.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Scott Gottlieb was the head of the FDA under Trump.
I think it's pretty clear he's not gonna be that
going forward. He's gonna have very little to do with
the trumpet the new Trump administration. But Scott Gottlieb was
sort of one of these, you know, moderate republs against rhinos.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Call him what you want. He had been he had
known Andy Slavitt.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
But the reason he's so interesting and this is so
interesting is at the time that he forced or encouraged
Twitter to ban me, and ultimately conspired with Andy to
get me banned, he was and remains to this day,
a board member at Pfizer. So, a board member at
a company that made one hundred billion dollars from selling

(09:36):
COVID vaccines, interceded with Twitter at a time when I
would say, you know, maybe I wasn't the most important
voice against mandatory vaccination, but I was certainly a leading
voice to get me banned. So I am suing Slavitt.
I am suing technically the president, although again he's not
really you know, a part of this. I am suing

(09:58):
Scott Gottlieb. I'm suing doctor Albert Borla, who is the
chairman Adfiser.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
The guy, he's the guy who sounds kind of like
this in the Albert Borla, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, he's Greek. He's Greek. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I was actually kind of upset and disappointed to see
that Borla was one of three former CEOs who had
dinner with Trump, uh, just a couple of days ago
at mar A Lago. So let's hope that that you
know that that that that doesn't mean that you know
that they're in his ear. I guess we'll find out.
But so my lawsuit says, you guys violated my First

(10:33):
Amendment rights. The White House did that is you and
Pfizer together, Are you and the Pfizer defendants together violated?
And it's a little complicated, but I'll try to, you know,
make it as sort of straightforward as I can, the
rights of me as an unvaccinated person and other people
who were unvaccinated to communicate around the vaccines. So, in
other words, my complaint is not, hey, you made me

(10:55):
get vaccinated, because I'm actually not COVID vaccinated.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
No one made me get vaccinated.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
My complaint is I had a First Amendment right as
an unvaccinated person to communicate my views about the vaccines,
which were a particular interest to other unvaccinated people, and
you suppressed that right. And these are actually these are
actually like pretty big constitutional questions. There's that one question

(11:21):
is whether or not I have the right to sue
for money damages for a First Amendment violation, which is
something the Supreme Court has, you know, they they've they've
they said different things about this, but they've never said
you can do it.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
And then and then the other big question is are
unvaccinated people a group who are deserving of some kind
of legal protection? And and so those are big questions.
And where the lawsuit stands right now is the defense
and they're you know, there's several different defendants. Andy Slavitt
has his own defense, uh, the visor defendants, and then
there's the the government defendants. And they've all said, hey,

(11:58):
this loss is is junk. You know, we didn't do
anything wrong. This should be dismissed. It's being heard by
a judge in New York, and I presume that she'll
schedule a.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Hearing on it at some point.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
The tricky part, or one of the many tricker parts
of this is that, uh, now that now that Donald
Trump is president, it's possible that the White House or
the Department of Justice will change his view of the lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So, in other words, they might say, hey, we agree
with Berenson, the unvaccinated should be a protected class, and
that would obviously like change the lawsuits. So but that
hasn't happened yet. You know, Trump is not president yet.
No one has told me are you.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Are you requesting I ask, because this would be public record.
Are you questing monetary damages?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I am?

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I am so I so.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yes, you can ask for monetary So you know, there's
kind of two kinds of relief you can ask for.
You can ask for injunctive relief, meaning this is going
on and it has to.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Stop, stop it, and you you're.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Gonna You can say, hey, uh, you know, my my
rights were violated. That should be something that I should
get compensation for. I actually didn't know this book and
I and I think most those people who are not
lawyers do not know this. You cannot sue the federal
government in most cases and say your constitutional rights are violated.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
And get money damages. It is.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
You can sue for lots of different things, but you
can't say, for example, my Second Amendment rights are violated
and get money damages. At this point, the Supreme Court
has not said you can sue and say my First
Amendment rights for violated and get money damages. You can
sue for your Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, and Eighth Amendment
rights being violated and in some cases get damages, but

(13:43):
not the first or others.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
It's kind of it's.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
You would think that, like, hey, this should be something
where you know what, if my rights are violated, I
deserve some actual compensation. But the federal government's very wary
of allowing those kinds of lawsuits.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Interesting, let's talk about law fair here when we come
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a question I'll pose to you, Alex, what is the
proper response to the lawfare that they have engaged in
against Trump? Because I to the degree that anybody's willing

(15:06):
to believe that anyone who votes for Trump is able
to sort of separate out the Trumpiness from the thing,
from the situation, the New York City case is a
a cluster. I'm trying to think of the right word.
It is so beyond the pale of reasonable legal action
for a prosecutor in this case, for the dish attorney

(15:28):
in New York City. It's such a grotesque abuse. And
I would argue what they did with the Egen Carol thing,
they eliminate the statute of limitations, opening this thing up
so that they can go after him civilly. How do
you disprove some woman saying you groped her thirty years
ago in a place where you have no proof of
you know? So, I mean we could start with that, like,

(15:49):
what they did to him is horrific, and then well,
what should what should Trump do in response, now that
he's in a position to do some pretty powerful and
important stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Sure well, I mean so yeah, I mean all three
of the kids are You didn't even mentioned the worst
one of them all, which was the absurd civil fraud
case that the New York State Attorney General filed against
the guy right where you know where loans that he
repaid in full on time. Somehow he's being fined almost
a half billion dollars for So I think all three
cases were terrible and and you know I wrote about

(16:20):
this in the spring.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Those were lawfare. Guess what, he doesn't need to get revenge.
He has the best revenge. He won. He is the
next president of the United States. He has all the power.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
It is humiliating for everybody on the Democratic side. And
and by the way, I'm not saying that, you know,
if they find you know, serious, I.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Think if someone abused like if someone broke the law
inside of that say the DOJ let's just say, I mean,
if they did something that that is that is that
is criminal, which it is possible. Mean, when I was
the NYPD, they talked about official misconduct. They're like, don't
joke around. There is official misconduct that rises to criminal
in nature. It's not just you know, uh, if someone
broke the law a doj to go after Trump. I

(17:07):
don't think we excuse that. I mean, we don't manufacture it,
but we don't excuse it.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Right, But you know, so I think you can get
caught in sort of snake eating its own tail.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
So, so the Russia stuff was kind of where all
this started, right, and that was all bs right, Donald
Trump was not an agent of the Russian government. He
wasn't really in communication in any meaningful way. In twenty sixteen,
we all know that. Okay, they tried to impeach him
for it. It blew up on them, all.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Then what happens there's an investigation into the investigation, and
it turns out that doesn't After many years and much
sort of back and forth, that doesn't really go anywhere either. Right,
So at some point I think you just gotta you
just got to put an end to it. And the
reason the reason.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I am a little worried about this is, you know, yes,
on Monday.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Of this week, Donald Trump sued the des Moines Register
and this polster in Iowa who released this you know, complete.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
An Seltzer who released the bonkers poll, and I said
it was bonkers that all my friends who know politics
said it was bonkers. At the time, it was insane.
It would be like saying Trump's gonna win California by ten.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, absolutely totally wrong. And because her record was so strong,
people took it seriously and it actually made a real
difference in the prediction markets the day it came out,
and it was just wrong. She was run by seventeen points.
Why was she wrung by seventeen points? I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Sometimes she retired, so this was kind of like the
Dan Rather National Guard documents moment, like WHOA, You're done.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
That's that's right, Like that ended her career. I don't
think Doland Trump needs to sue her for defamation. I
don't think I and this is a like I'm eating
my own cookie on this. There's a chance or I
could have certainly sued Scott Gottlieb for defamation in Barnson v.
Bi Okay, he said some stuff that you know, I think,

(19:07):
certainly in this new legal landscape about me.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Arguably rose to the level of defamation.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Okay, I didn't make defamation a claim in my lawsuit
because I'm a reporter first and foremost, and I don't
like really defamation suits. They chill the press. And you
know this is something in the lawsuit. Actually, we say
my lawyer, James Lawrence, and I say, over and over again,
I want robust to be I have no problem with

(19:36):
Andy Slavitt saying this guy's a jerk. He doesn't want
you know, he doesn't understand COVID, he doesn't understand the vaccines.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
He doesn't care if your grandma dies.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
He will have it or God leave. Those guys could
say whatever they wanted about me. What I didn't like
and what I am suing over is they tried and
succeeded in cutting off my access to a platform. Okay,
that's wrong, and I think it's wrong to try to
go after you know, at this point, Donald Trump's an
incredibly powerful guy. I mean, he's the most powerful guy

(20:04):
in the world. For him to start suing the Des
Moines Register, which is you know, probably like really functioning
and surviving at this point, and this woman who like
ended her career in the most humiliating way, what's the point.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, look, I don't think I don't think this suit
he's done suits in the past that haven't gone haven't
sort of gone to fruition, or you haven't gone the
way through. But let me let me ask you a
little a little bit of the other side of this.
First of all, as you know, I mean what they
did to him in the EG and Carol case. So
he says, I'm not a rapist. Basically this woman is
making it up, and then he gets sued from she.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
And she sues him. That's right. I agree it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Weaponizing defamation lawsuit is wrong, and I think that's true
of both sides. Okay, and the Democrats, you know, like
they're gonna complain about this. They brought this on themselves.
Who did Juliani one? Now that's a slightly harder case,
okay because Juliani, or somewhat harder, I would say, because
you know, he picked on these two random women and
they had real problems. But the idea that he's losing

(21:04):
everything one hundred and fifty million dollar verdict is crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Okay, Yeah, that's a crazy one.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
When when you're giving one hundred and fifty million dollar
defamation verdicts, like why not make it a trillion? Like
at that point, it's just the number is just absurd.
It's you know, you're you're not dealing in reality, So
why would a court allow that?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, because again it's you know, you can sue in
a favorable jurisdiction. And suddenly the you know, sort of
the guardrails are off.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
On because because I can just tell you, Alex, some
of the people listening going to say they appreciate your
your adherence to principle on this one. But if some
people don't feel the heat for what they've done up
to this point, doesn't it then just become a one
way battle, right? I mean, that's that's where I I about.
I don't pretend to have all the answers to this,
but I do feel like just you know, taking shots

(21:51):
in the face and hoping that it stops.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Let me give you a non partisan I think this
is a non partisan example, though it may be view
to you know, serve as a pro democratic example because
everything is a partisan he seeds. Okay, when when Trump
was you know, on trial, the criminal trum talking about
there were you know, Marshan, the judge issued these things
essentially preventing him.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
From comic Yeah, the gagloryers.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, gagloryers. That's right, And I thought that was problematic. Okay,
it was. It's essentially suppressing his First Amendment rights. Now
he's he can't threaten Alvin Bragg, he can't threaten the jury,
but he should be allowed to make comments. And sometimes
he you know, he may make intemperate comments. That's life.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay. I didn't think that was right. Let me give
you right now, Sean Combs. He did he right.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
He's in jail without bail for the sex trafficking chairs
sex trafficking charges. Okay, you can who about the merits
of the charges. I think what's been filed right now
is not very strong. That doesn't mean they don't have
a lot of evidence that they haven't produced.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well, I do think they didn't. They find like illegal gun.
I mean they've got him on a bunch of stuff
like they found illegal guns, which if people dismissed that,
people go to prison for that stuff, Like I know,
I own a lot of legal guns. If you have
guns with no serial numbers on them that you filed
off like stuff like that gets people tend to prison guns.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
The narcotics, him beating up his girlfriend in twenty sixteen
in a video he did.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
He's a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Okay, you want to send him to jail for that stuff. Okay,
that's not what he's been you know, indicted for, but
let's put that aside. He's trying to, you know, make
a case that he's a good guy, right, he's trying
to get his kids to talk on his behalf and
put out Instagram videos and you know, maybe you know

(23:35):
say like this stuff was consensual. And the prosecution right
now is basically even though there's been no and paneled jury,
there's not even you know, there's not even really the
beginnings of selection or anything like that, they're saying he
shouldn't be allowed to do any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
He can try and throw something in the mix here
that I think you know that that this is just
on a on a higher philosophical level of our judicial system.
We have learned that judges are effectively part as an
actor's Unfortunately, people can try to pretend all day long,
but they should it here to the law. We hope
they'd hear the law. But then look at what happens
with the Supreme Court. It's my team, their team, My team,

(24:12):
their team, Like there's an understanding anybody who's paying attention
and honest knows this the notion of an unbiased jury
pool now in an era of instantaneous social media, constant connectivity,
et cetera, especially when you there's really no such thing, right.
That used to be like, if you think about the
old paradigm, it was like, find a few people who

(24:33):
are average everyday citizens who don't already have an opinion
on the following.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
It's with someone like p Diddy.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
That's everyone's gonna know about this. Everyone's gonna write stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
And by the way, there's stuff getting leaked about what
a bad guy he is by the you know, prosecution
and the investigators frankly every day. So he's trying to
fight back. They're trying to suppress his First Amendment rights.
Now he may be the worst guy in the world.
He may have done this stuff, and they may have
him dead to rights, and he may go to jail
for the rest of his life. Right now, he's innocent, okay,

(25:05):
even though he can't get bail.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
He's innocent until proven guilty.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
And I don't think it's right, okay, for the same
reason I didn't think Donald Trump should be gagged from
speaking about his case. So what we're seeing broadly is
efforts to attack the First Amendment by prosecutors, by you know,
people on the left, and sometimes by people on the
right too. And I think it's a bad idea, okay.

(25:30):
And you know, we have a tradition in the United
States of unfettered debate. I think it's really important to
the country.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
And you can.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
See in Europe when you start letting people you know,
get arrested because they say things the government doesn't like,
it actually happens. Okay, it happens in Germany, It's happening
increasingly in England. I don't want to live in that country.
I'd rather have too much speech than not enough. I'd
rather have all the eight Chan trolls in the world, okay.

(25:58):
And somehow the left has forgotten this now. I don't
want the right to forget it too.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
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I'll put it out there, Alex, but we're we're gonna
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Speaker 2 (27:35):
So by the way, I think r K Junior gets in,
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Speaker 3 (27:48):
Now they can't.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I'm convinced they cannot ban it because you know, we
have pretty strong Again, you're just.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Very passionate about the First Amendment. We can't.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
That's right, But that's no no. But but I don't
think that they should ban it.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
But I do think that, you know, there should be
better disclosure of risk that you know, these these products
can't be bought directly by consumers, so there should be
reasons limits on how they are marketed to consumers. And
and I don't really think we have those right now.
Call me a hypocrite if you want. I don't think
that that's a hypocritical position. I'm not calling for the

(28:21):
total band, just better disclosure.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
I guess I would say, do.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
We I mean on the vaccine schedule, because you know,
I want to really poke the bear here. I'm someone
I think was doctor Marty McCay actually told me in
an interview it's something like seventy there's something like seventy
vaccines that how is this possible that we have so
many vaccines?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Now? We've had we've had vaccine creep.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Honestly, we've had, you know, from stuff that you know
that I don't think anybody would think, or maybe a
few people, but you know, polio or or or measles,
and all of a sudden, you know there's there's an
HPV vaccine, you know, which that's a sexually transmitted disease.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Like I think it's you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
A legitimate, uh question, and something that parents should get
to decide if you want your twelve year old to
get the HPV vaccine.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
It really shouldn't be pushed.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
But you know, you've had this this creep because public
health experts basically love vaccines.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
But let me let me pull back.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, I gave you one specific example, and you you
sort of gave me one specific example. I think the
number one thing that could happen. That would make public
health better in the United States, that would help us
all be healthier is if we were all more genuinely
skeptical of medicine.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
And I don't mean that that means you.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Never go to the doctor, okay, or that you never
take a vaccine, or that you never, you know, let
your kid get immunized.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
What I mean is the.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Number one thing you can do for your own health
is to eat decently, exercise reasonably, get some good sleep,
and get outside.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Okay. It's that simple. And we in the United States
in particular.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
It's true in every advanced country, but it's really true
in this country. We get ourselves sick, we let ourselves
get and then we expect things of medicine that it
cannot provide, okay. And I think I think this sort
of philosophical idea that that is another reason we are
so angry at healthcare in this country. We spend so
much on it and we expect it to do more

(30:25):
than it can. Ultimately, you're going to be responsible for
You've got to be responsible for your own health, and
ultimately you've got to know, like over time, your health
is going to deteriorate as you age, you've got to
fight it, you've got to try your best, and you
can't depend on doctors to fix things for you all
the time.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I think that that's completely spot on, and uh, there's
a brilliant summation of a very important problem. I honestly
truly like not no all kidding aside. I think that's
absolutely essential. I think that that actually goes to the
United Healthcare CEO assassination sort of sympathizers. Then I think
it's a proper word. The people that are sympathizing with

(31:05):
is they keep thinking, if only, you know, the big
bad healthcare companies things differently, No, we would actually still
have all the morbidity that we have and all this
stuff out there. It's actually very rare for someone to
be denied life saving, truly life saving care by a
healthcare company. You know, these things actually are overwhelmingly not happening.
And whenever someone yells at me for saying this, I

(31:26):
point out that in every poll, sixty five percent of
Americans give or take say that they like their they
like their health care, which means they like their health
their health care company, and in some polls it's like
seventy five percent.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
So this idea that you know, oh, if only the
big healthcare companies were regulated differently, did things differently, what
everything would be fine. I just think that's I think
it's a fantasy. It's a little bit of a of
a utopian mindset. And I think that that's what you're
going to do, which is people need to be very active.
The people that I know who have the most disposable
resources and the most interest in their health are incredibly

(32:04):
active in all aspects of it. Meaning they seek out
certain kinds of doctors, seek out and kinds of specialists,
and seek out a lot of preventative care, you know,
active management of health, blood work every six months, you know,
all these kinds of things. And those are the people
that can spend it take care of themselves right right,
And those are the people that can spend whatever money

(32:24):
they want on their health. They don't show up at
a doctor once every year or two, you know, and
and have not done these things that you're talking about,
which you're critical for. Eleman. Remember when remember when this
radical idea with COVID was you need vitamin D like
you actually need to get sunlight and and and it
really came through that that was important for you and
your immunity levels for COVID vitamin D And people at

(32:45):
first were like, well that's all that can't be and
it's like, no, it actually we've always known this, These
are these are things that matter. So I completely agree
with you.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Well, well, hopefully twenty twenty five will be a good year,
and uh and we will, you know, we'll get matching
T shirts for now.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I know it was the it was green shirt they
on the Buck Show. Tell me where where should everyone go?
Just substack right, substack to follow subject subscribe.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
The sub sect is called Unreported Truths and you can
find it at Alex Berenson my name dot subseac dot com.
So please, you know, and you know the good thing
about it is almost everything on there, practically everything on
there is free. I've been very very fortunate last few years.
People subscribe and pay me for content that they can

(33:31):
get for free. And you know, I don't mean to like,
well up here or whatever, but I am truly grateful
for that. And it's a real community.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Well, you know, there are there's a crossover between those
who are Baronson fans of your work and appreciate your
work when it was especially powerful in the COVID issue
and continue to volue this day and people that listen
to this show or listen to our radio show, because
for those of us who who remember, and many of

(34:00):
us do, it was lonely man.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I know.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I I remember texting Alex like these people are insane?
What's going on? He's like, I know, but everyone's insane
pretty much.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And we will see what happens with Benson d Biden.
So you know, keep your finger strossed, or say a
little prayer if that's your thing.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
And you know, hope for good news.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
If if the government has to write you a like
a nine figure check, you know, remember who your friends,
Remember who your friends.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
There were a party, There will be a party.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
There we go, all right, Happy, happy holidays, Alex, thanks
so much, you too, Thank you, sir,
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