January 28, 2026 • 24 mins
Virginia is facing a sharp leftward turn as its new governor and Democratic legislature roll out a slate of policies that were barely mentioned on the campaign trail. Buck Sexton is joined by David Harsanyi of the Washington Examiner to break down the bait-and-switch governance now hitting the Commonwealth, plus the protests in Minneapolis over ICE enforcement, energy policy shifts, protest culture, and the growing influence of DC’s suburbs.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Virginia hit with a communist manifesto courtesy of the new
governor of that state and all the Democrats in the
state legislature who want to destroy what is actually the
Commonwealth of Virginia is a lovely place. If we could
just lop the northern part of it off and like
push it into the ocean, it would be a fantastic state.
But we'll get into some of this yere with our
(00:41):
friend David Harsanyi. He is, of course at the Washington
Examiner doing great stuff over there. Mister Harsanyi is a
Virginia native, so he can speak to this. You know,
we're gonna talk about ice stuff too, So anyone wants
to get the harsani take on that, we'll get there
in a second. I just feel like everyone's ever and
so focus on this, so it's completely crowded out. The
stuff that the people of Virginia, the residents of Virginia,
(01:04):
are being presented with right now by their new governor,
is just madness.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Take us through some of it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, I have to correct one thing you said quickly
for myself is that I'm not a Virginia native. I
do live here, but I'm a New York native. Oh
there we go. Sure, yeah, well yeah, no, I only
say that because I I came here thinking it was
going to be far more conservative than it actually turned
out to be when I moved here, and it's only
(01:33):
going to get worse obviously, Like you said, it's all
these people from from the DC suburbs ruining Virginia like
they ruined other states I've been in, like Colorado where
they moved to Denver and ruined it, or you know elsewhere.
But anyway, so, Abigail Spamberger is our new governor here.
She ran as a moderate I think smartly right. It
was so her her agenda was like you didn't even
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know what she believed in. She just kept You wouldn't
even know she was a Democrat watching the ads right.
First thing when she comes in, she immediately gets rid
of in executive order that young Kin had that told
local police work with ice. So obviously she doesn't believe
illegal immigration is a problem here in Virginia. I disagree,
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you know, pirically speaking, I think I've seen a lot
of problems here in that regard. The next thing she
does is the Democrats have a constitutional amendment they're going
to put up that makes abortion a right in the
Constitution of Virginia from conception until birth. So that is
incredibly radical and wherever you know, most people who even
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are pro choice don't go that far in their beliefs.
When it comes to green stuff, she immediately put Virginia
back gosh, I forget what the name of it is,
but this compact with other states that costs Virginia taxpayers
hundreds of millions of dollars but does nothing to lower missions,
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just another green boondoggle. She immediately put I think twenty
seven new people on boards of colleges in Virginia who
are de I types, who don't you know, who believe
in all, you know, all kinds of affirmative action. And
then of course there are Democrats who have a slew
of bills that we can't even go through that are
(03:20):
just everything you imagine like Zoron Mamdani would do, like
they're doing it here, and yet.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They're banning they're banning semion a whole range of semi
automatic legislation, semi automatic rifles and pistols. I mean, I
have family. I still I have an uncle who lives
in Virginia's you know, very pro two A. And people
are just like, well, wait a second. None of us
was even discussed in this campaign. And now and now
all of a sudden, you're banning guns.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like, think about it, concealed firearms now have you know
up to I think seventeen plus one mags, right, But
they're going to ban magazines at eight I think, or
whatever wherever it is now. But I don't know if
they're gonna grandfather it in. I don't know how it's
supposed to work, but I do know that it would
probably be challenged constitutionally if they do that. I mean,
Virginia has a lot of conservative people. There's gun culture here,
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there's a lot of religious people. You're social conservatives. It's
it's going to be pretty ugly I think over the
next four years.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean they're also trying to mandate home storage requirements.
I mean this just to give some people an idea
of what this is like in New York City. And
I would I know this. I know you know this, David,
because you've looked at all these gun laws in New
York City. The law at least and while I still
live there, it might have changed in recent years, but
it was to get a to have a handgun and
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to get a premise permit took like a year. It's
like five or six hundred dollars. Again, I know because
I looked into it.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Hold your gun in a lock box with a trigger
trigger guard on it or trigger lock on it, and
have the ammunition in a separate, locked container. So you
can forget about this as like a rapid home defense situation.
I mean, you're it's gonna take you to get to
get you know, locked and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Uh you know, uh, to get it all take you
like two minutes. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, the regulatory burden in that state and others like
even Maryland. Basically it's just there is no Second Amendment,
you know, and and and that's what it is. Yeah.
Like I said, I'm you know, I'm originally from New
York and my dad wanted to get a gun when
I was growing up. It was so hard to get
that virtually was impossible for him to protect himself. And
then when you do get a gun, like you say,
they continually pile on these laws. That's that's where where
(05:33):
Virginia's had it. Now, I guess, so this is.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The because you were obviously paying closer attention to this
as a resident than a lot of people listening.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
But I just we talked about it a bit on the.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Radio show, and I was even saying this. I was like,
they're running this span Burger chick. It was also like, me,
x Cia, so don't hold that against me. They're running
this span Burger chick. As like, what is she? Who knows?
She's just a mom. She's just a mom who wants
kids to have good things and school and healthcare and
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you know. And I'm like, I don't even know what
this person stands for other than as soon as she's
in power, Democrats are going to get all this crazy
and sure enough, like.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
How do they keep getting away with this? Do people
not know what the game is?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
She ran basically as a law and order type. I
would say a lot of the ads had her background
in the CIA and as a cop and stuff like that.
I think part of the problem, we have to admit
it is that the Republican Party statewide here and in
other states as well, as just garbage basically. I mean
they did not put up good candidates. I mean the
guy Jay Jones who's running for age, who was caught
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texting that he hoped or wanted to see is a
Republican kids killed one Right and Smamberg were won by
fifteen points and there was just no opposition. Honestly, you know,
they were just like the Republicans were constantly talking about
boys and girls locker rooms in high school, which I
think is a genuine issue, right, But economic issues, I
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think outweigh that a lot, and people are nervous about
the economy, and they thought Spamberger was going to be
a moderate and here we are are.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I just don't understand how. I guess this is why
it works. The whole game is people don't pay attention.
Because to me, if you're paying even the slightest attention,
whether in Virginia, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, the game that
Democrats play and there are some you know, there's some
variability to this, but overall, the game they play is
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they run as moderates and then they govern as communists and.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
This is just what they do, and they just they
go out.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, I know by the way, you're like an
intellectual and you're an intellectual and a writer, and so
you don't like me saying communists because I know, but
you know what I'm saying, they do this left.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No no, no, no, no, no no. I'm not an intellectual
and I hate commedis and I think you're right about
that in general. But I was gonna just say that Shapiro, Yeah,
we're on the same page on Commedy's okay that Shapiro
in Pennsylvania ran as a moderate and governs as somewhat
of a moderate himself. Now he does that probably because
he has to deal with Republicans, but he is also
(08:07):
popular for doing that. And I think if spam govern
that way should probably end up being somewhat Yunkin was popular.
He was pretty conservative, but he also worked with Democrats
when he had to, and I think that people actually
want some of that. I'm not one of these like
people who's, you know, all for bipartisan stuff, but when
you have a state that's a swing state like this,
you're gonna have to govern that way, I think, to
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hold power and be you know, and be effective in
some way.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So it just feels like in Virginia, and I think,
I ask you, actually Wisconsin certainly, on like the Senate
race side, Michigan too, are places where every Democrat who
runs is the most down the middle, common sense, law
and order democrat you've ever heard of. And then they
actually start voting, and I'm talking about the Senate side
of things, for example, and they're just lockstep with whatever
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the hell the crazy Democrats want. I mean, all that
goes out the window. And with Spamberger, it's such an
obvious bait and switch that happened here, and I just
you know, but Democrats are gonna they're gonna try to
do a lot of things in that state that I
think make it really hard, you know. I think that
the calculate You're right about Pennsylvania. By the way, I
was actually thinking ahead. I'm like Fetterman actually was. I
(09:13):
think Fetterman was thought of as more left wing than
he ended up being in some way. He's kind of
he's a little bit of a of an eccentric in
politics in some ways because you and I look, you
and I would agree. He says good things on it,
he says good things on Israel and really Jews, and
he says good things on immigration, other things. He's very
problematic for me anyway. I just see with what happened
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in Virginia, you're just like and man, there's something also
about you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
You come across this too.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
The the smug Virginia lib who lives in a super
high income suburb of DC is among the worst lib
in the country. Like, there's something particularly odious to me
about that, because I all know they all used to
work at Langley and like I was around a lot
of these people.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
They're the worst.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
They're the there the My kids go to like either
the most elite public school in the country it depending
on where they are, or go to like a fifty
thousand dollar year of private scho but like, we need
to shut down all the charter schools in DC next door,
because you know, we can't let like underprivileged black and
Hispanic kids actually have a chance at like a good education.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I hate I hate the Beltway bandit lives. They're
the worst.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
They are. It's like a communist invasion. When I first
got to DC many years ago, people used to say,
you can live in Maryland or you can live on
the American side of the border in Virginia. But now
it's no longer the American side of the border here
at all. Just they're annoying. They all make their living
some way connected to the federal government, so they have
like a personal stake as well and making government grow.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well that everyone always says a whole point too.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
By the way, they am not sorry to jump it,
but you and I have you see the same way.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
The number of people that do something that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You're like, that's even a job and is some kind
of like nonprofit or NGO or something, making like two
three hundred grand is mind blowing when you actually look
at this stuff, like the number of people that you're like,
that's even a thing. You know, you're like an advisor
to the US Institute of Peace. You're making a quarter
of a million dollars a year, Like who are you?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I mean, frankly, I have friends I don't really know
what they do, Like I don't know what their job is.
Like I'm not saying my job is anything special, I
just write stuff whatever, But I don't don't know exactly
what they're what they do, what their purpose is. And
I just want to quickly say everyone's always saying, you know,
DC people always complain they don't vote and there's this
idea that we should shrink DC and then you know,
more people could vote. But my idea is to expand
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DC all the way into the Virginia suburbs of Maryland
to take voting rights away from more people who rely
on government, because that's the purpose of DC, and you know,
these people are just voting to gorge government constantly.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I would even argue that geographically, what you're saying, because
I've thought this for a long time, you'll notice that
Northwest d C is very large and Southwest d C
is very tiny. Southwest d C in every sense culturally, politically,
and really geographically, should encompass like Arlington. Arlington, Virginia be
a part of it, should just be because that's really
what it's just the expansion. You crossed the river, it's anyway.
(12:15):
So I'm actually with you with you on that idea.
But yeah, the these throwing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Throwing, Bethesda, throwing, Alexandria, all these places should be in DC.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I only think about Alexandria's is really pretty in the
old Town. So I feel like, I like, I wish
that that could be. I wish we could keep that,
but I know we can't because it's it's full of
it's full of very rich comedies as well. It's always falling. Yeah,
people are like, I always love this thing. People who
communists aren't rich, No, actually they are.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
This is like they don't teach anything to anybody anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Like people actually believe that what Mark said about stuff
is somehow the reality of how communist regimes operate. I'm like,
all right, anyway, you know this is a whole the
whole other conversation. Get me fired up here. We got
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As in immigration and customs enforcement, I want the HARSANYI
take on what's going on in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
We'll get there here in a second.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
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this audience will be very familiar with the you know,
the basics of ice and we're talking about on radio.
(13:56):
I've been talking about a podcast. But just where we
stand now, it feels like Trump is set. He's had
these calls. You have the petty shooting. The petty shooting,
there were you know, the the other ones up to
the other shooting. Rather I think is fully lawful, tragic
but awful. This one, you know, it looks like it
might have been a good faith but tragic mistake on
(14:19):
the part of some of the officer that fired. Point
here is they're finally getting some traction with the anti
ICE operation narrative. What do you think Trump should do?
What do you think is going on here?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I actually agree with all that. I think the second
shooting I didn't do like a forensic look at the
video or anything out of my expertise, you know, but
it looks more troublesome. So yeah, and both tragic. So
here's the thing, though, just because their tragic shooting happens
doesn't mean that I don't think ICE's purpose is right,
or I don't think what Trump is doing is right.
Those things are separate issues for me at least, And
(14:52):
I think Trump can't really back off now in a
way because then he's let It's not even a heckler's veto.
It's just that you're letting the mob tell you how
to govern the country. It's not how it works. Like
I says, every right to be there. Federal officials control
the border and immigration law, and Trump can't back off
on that. Should he go about it differently? Do you
need different leadership? But you know all that? Yeah, maybe
(15:15):
you do. I don't know, But you can't back off
now in a hole. It doesn't look like he has.
It looks like he talked to walls, and they sort
of made a deal and now they're moving forward. And
I think you need to do that most Americans, I
think you can't let the mob dictate or convince you
that there's public opinion that doesn't exist. Most people don't
like illegal immigration.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And also though I think there's something so dishonest about well,
there's a lot of a lot of room there with
the way the media shows this stuff. You know, this
sort of anti Trump media, Democrat media, whatever, this idea
that the opposition is to the way these operations are
being done. I have to keep reminding everybody there is
(15:58):
no form of ice arresting and deporting illegals that these
people would be okay with and accept.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This is why I feel like there's a there's a
fun nd mental dishonesty in this whole thing. They're saying, oh,
they're acting like gestapo. Okay, well, they won't let them
into the prisons to get people who are already arrested
for other things, were being held or you know, being
processed for other crimes. They won't work with, they won't
they won't do anything in these sanctuary jurisdictions. The only
option that is to go out into the streets and
(16:30):
actually arrest people who they're looking for, who are violating
law in the country illegally. And there's no version of
this where the people that are being arrested are going
to be happy about it. Like if they show me
one more illegal who's arrested, who looks unhappier, who's crying,
I'm like, yeah, this is you know, if people get
arrested for tax evasion, they cry too, Like this is
the deal, folks.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I agree with all of that. You know, there's no
for most there's not going to be any level of
enforcement that they're going to like. It's like when you
when they tell you, for instance, I'm against assault rifles.
Well if you once you dig deeper, boom, they're against
all guns. It's the way it is every time. But
there's a kind of a broader issue to where there's
just this like protest cult that drives me crazy, where
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people think they're patriotic just because they're protesting like this
and it's the newest thing for them. There was BLM,
and then it was GAZA, and now it's ice and
tomorrow who knows what it's going to be. And it's
this hysteria they create and they won with BLM in
a way. But you can't let them win here. This
is illegal stuff. If you don't like what's going on
with ice. We live in a free country. You can
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elect people who are going to make ice go away
or whatever you want. But Trump won the election. He
was very clear on this issue, and he has the
right to send at ice to Minnesota. So and you
notice this doesn't happen in states where local officials work
with the federal government, right, doesn't happen in Texas, doesn't
happen in wherever, Florida, but it happens in Minnesota for
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a reason.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What's happened to Minnesota? Like, how do you diagnose? I
used to go there when I was a kid. So
now I'm old David, So that was like almost you know,
I don't know, thirty something years ago, we'd go there
with my family to go on camping trips because, like
they you know, it's such a pristine wilderness up you know,
north along the border with Canada.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And now it's.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Like it's like a frozen well I was gonna say,
it's like American Siberia. It's like the communists are running
the show up there. What the hell's going on.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't know enough about it, but I'll say that
there they've been Democrats for a long time. I don't
think a Republican has won there since maybe Reagan eighties.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, it's been forty years.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But they had a certain kind of union member, kind
of like working class kind of democrat that was a
little different. And now that's morphed into something really I mean,
and I'm sure there are still many of those around,
but it's morphed into in the big cities at least,
into something very far left wing and very violent, right.
I mean, this is where you know, there's been violence
here before, and I don't know, it's it's troubling, I think.
(18:58):
I mean, these are tragic incidents, and we you know,
I don't want to belittle that, and it's you know,
especially that first one. It's just unnecessary. People are hysterical,
you know.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We resent all these people like I resent on Morning Joe,
these people who are millionaires sitting in uh, you know,
studios or whatever. Look, I'm sitting in a studio now
and people could lob things at me, but I would
just say, I'm not encouraging people in the freezing cold
to go scream in the faces of armed law enforcement
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officers and get in the way of their cars with
their car sometimes and and threaten them and be like,
you're inciting you know, you're you're you're inviting people to
do very stupid things. You're telling people to play. You know,
how how close can I jump in front of the
train as it passes without getting hit? Well, when someone
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gets hit and you think that that's a fun game
you've been telling everyone to play. I think that there's
some culpability there, at least morally. I know it's not legal,
but it's moral culpability.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
No, I agree. There's things you can do, and there's
things you can do, but you shouldn't do. And like
if you have cops around you and you're going to
hit the gas, tragic thing is going to happen. Now
that and everyone should know that. And another thing like
everyone slows down these videos and all that. I'm sorry.
It's actually a split second decision. Cops usually you have
to make I don't know about the second one. Definitely
(20:20):
in the first one, he's got to make a decision
right there. And I have never been in that position,
and it's very difficult for me. To just be like
that's murder, like I hear that's an execution. No, it's not.
It's tragic. But I'm not a cop. I'm sitting here
in a room and I don't know what went on before.
I don't know what the guys you know, what's happened
to that cop before, and so I don't know. I
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think people should give them some leeway. I'm not saying
it's so you know, I'm not saying it should go
around act like you know, bullies, but we should give
them some leeway when they're in dangerous.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Situations, especially when people are making things harder for them.
And all this stuff too, with the noisemakers and the
rape whistles that they're using and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I bet.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Just so you know, David, I'm and if you want
to take this term and run with it, please, I'm
calling them sabotage operations. Did not it's not a protest,
like you driving your car in front of other cops
so they can't do something is not protest legal, and
it's and you're sabotaging law enforcement operations. So I just
think that the whole notion, it's like the mostly mostly
peaceful protest where buildings are on fire during BLM, Like
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the buildings being on fire is actually the point. No
one cares about the peaceful protest. Fine, do that, but
we don't care. The point that gets everyone's attention is
the illegal stuff that's ominous and threatening and undermines law
and order.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, I mean there's a role for civil disobedience when
you're actually fighting for some freedom or something. I mean,
there's you know, but if you're there's consequences to that
as well. And if you're gonna put yourself in front
of a cop to stop him from doing his job,
which is legitimate, which which we we we came to
through democracy. We didn't just they're not these aren't gestoppo
and they're doing something. You know, there's there's consequences to pay.
(21:54):
I'm not saying it's okay to shoot people again, but
you know, we all have to have some common sense,
I think.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So, Yeah, David has to throw in some provisos or
some softening at the end there because he lives in
Virginia and some of his neighbors are probably lunatic leftists,
So there's always that You've always got to keep the
got to that's why you might see some maniacs at
the at the the property line.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
They're trueing their hedges. Buddy, you know it's the reality.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
This is why I stay, That's why I'm a shut
in and build an armory. Here.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's this there's this place, David, I want to tell
you about. There's this place, especially.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Right now as you're wearing that itchy sweater and I'm
sitting walk outside of the sunset.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
There's this place you left New York. I left New York?
Did you?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Did you run out of gas because you stopped short
of where you need to go?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
This place called Florida, David, Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I tell you weeks like this. I'm kind of mad
at myself. Yeah, because I thought it wouldn't be that
cold where I am, But it's it's cold, so I
don't know. Maybe we'll be neighbors in the future.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right now, for you, we have room government De Santis
will welcome you, okay, for you. There's a room for
the communists. No, but it is filling up fast, so
I would I would give it some thought.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
David.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Where can people go to read your latest stuff? Keep
up with all your all your analysis, thoughts and musings.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Most of my stuff's at the Washington Examiner. You can
find me there or on Twitter or whatever. X. I'm
David Harsani.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
When's the next book coming up?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I know books are brutal. Mine's coming out in a month,
by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh really yeah yeah, what what's it about.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It's called manufacturing delusion, But it's about instigating political madness actually,
and like looking at plitarian history, it's actually cool. Like
you would you, as somebody who writes and is a writer,
I think would be like, this is actually a book.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Book. It's not like book Saves America and it's just
me ranting.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's it's like there's research, there's there's no.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Thank you. Yeah, okay, I'll get your copies, so there.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah. But writing it was brutal, right, I mean absolutely brutal,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And and hours hours in, hours out. I mean this
is why everyone just wants to do like podcasting and
be like social media stars now because you make no
money writing, Like writing is the most underpaid profession. And
I really feel like like our civilization is starting to
lose something because.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
To be a writer.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well never mind with AI and now chatchipt and all
this stuff. But to be a writer is increasingly becoming
like a not It used to be a thing that
was very hard, but there was a payoff to it,
right or there was sort of, you know, I grew
up with authors that I loved and they sold their
books and that got made into movies and all that.
You know, at least there was that. Now it's just
(24:29):
I feel like the publishing industry. I don't know, man,
it's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But you but but don't you feel personal satisfaction seeing
that you wrote a book, Like it's such a cool
thing to do now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You know what? I like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm gonna show this. I'm gonna end on it is there?
It is? Yeah, cool, there's the satisfaction right there. I
got to actually write it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The worst part is still to come. You have to
sell it. And that's that's the for me.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
That go get your copy of Manufacturing Delusion. By the way, everybody,
I'll throw that pitch on at the end.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Harsani. Great to see you, man, Thanks for hanging today.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You too, talk to you see
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Virginia hit with a communist manifesto courtesy of the new
governor of that state and all the Democrats in the
state legislature who want to destroy what is actually the
Commonwealth of Virginia is a lovely place. If we could
just lop the northern part of it off and like
push it into the ocean, it would be a fantastic state.
But we'll get into some of this yere with our
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friend David Harsanyi. He is, of course at the Washington
Examiner doing great stuff over there. Mister Harsanyi is a
Virginia native, so he can speak to this. You know,
we're gonna talk about ice stuff too, So anyone wants
to get the harsani take on that, we'll get there
in a second. I just feel like everyone's ever and
so focus on this, so it's completely crowded out. The
stuff that the people of Virginia, the residents of Virginia,
(01:04):
are being presented with right now by their new governor,
is just madness.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Take us through some of it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, I have to correct one thing you said quickly
for myself is that I'm not a Virginia native. I
do live here, but I'm a New York native. Oh
there we go. Sure, yeah, well yeah, no, I only
say that because I I came here thinking it was
going to be far more conservative than it actually turned
out to be when I moved here, and it's only
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going to get worse obviously, Like you said, it's all
these people from from the DC suburbs ruining Virginia like
they ruined other states I've been in, like Colorado where
they moved to Denver and ruined it, or you know elsewhere.
But anyway, so, Abigail Spamberger is our new governor here.
She ran as a moderate I think smartly right. It
was so her her agenda was like you didn't even
(01:54):
know what she believed in. She just kept You wouldn't
even know she was a Democrat watching the ads right.
First thing when she comes in, she immediately gets rid
of in executive order that young Kin had that told
local police work with ice. So obviously she doesn't believe
illegal immigration is a problem here in Virginia. I disagree,
(02:16):
you know, pirically speaking, I think I've seen a lot
of problems here in that regard. The next thing she
does is the Democrats have a constitutional amendment they're going
to put up that makes abortion a right in the
Constitution of Virginia from conception until birth. So that is
incredibly radical and wherever you know, most people who even
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are pro choice don't go that far in their beliefs.
When it comes to green stuff, she immediately put Virginia
back gosh, I forget what the name of it is,
but this compact with other states that costs Virginia taxpayers
hundreds of millions of dollars but does nothing to lower missions,
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just another green boondoggle. She immediately put I think twenty
seven new people on boards of colleges in Virginia who
are de I types, who don't you know, who believe
in all, you know, all kinds of affirmative action. And
then of course there are Democrats who have a slew
of bills that we can't even go through that are
(03:20):
just everything you imagine like Zoron Mamdani would do, like
they're doing it here, and yet.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
They're banning they're banning semion a whole range of semi
automatic legislation, semi automatic rifles and pistols. I mean, I
have family. I still I have an uncle who lives
in Virginia's you know, very pro two A. And people
are just like, well, wait a second. None of us
was even discussed in this campaign. And now and now
all of a sudden, you're banning guns.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like, think about it, concealed firearms now have you know
up to I think seventeen plus one mags, right, But
they're going to ban magazines at eight I think, or
whatever wherever it is now. But I don't know if
they're gonna grandfather it in. I don't know how it's
supposed to work, but I do know that it would
probably be challenged constitutionally if they do that. I mean,
Virginia has a lot of conservative people. There's gun culture here,
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there's a lot of religious people. You're social conservatives. It's
it's going to be pretty ugly I think over the
next four years.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean they're also trying to mandate home storage requirements.
I mean this just to give some people an idea
of what this is like in New York City. And
I would I know this. I know you know this, David,
because you've looked at all these gun laws in New
York City. The law at least and while I still
live there, it might have changed in recent years, but
it was to get a to have a handgun and
(04:38):
to get a premise permit took like a year. It's
like five or six hundred dollars. Again, I know because
I looked into it.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Hold your gun in a lock box with a trigger
trigger guard on it or trigger lock on it, and
have the ammunition in a separate, locked container. So you
can forget about this as like a rapid home defense situation.
I mean, you're it's gonna take you to get to
get you know, locked and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Uh you know, uh, to get it all take you
like two minutes. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, the regulatory burden in that state and others like
even Maryland. Basically it's just there is no Second Amendment,
you know, and and and that's what it is. Yeah.
Like I said, I'm you know, I'm originally from New
York and my dad wanted to get a gun when
I was growing up. It was so hard to get
that virtually was impossible for him to protect himself. And
then when you do get a gun, like you say,
they continually pile on these laws. That's that's where where
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Virginia's had it. Now, I guess, so this is.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The because you were obviously paying closer attention to this
as a resident than a lot of people listening.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
But I just we talked about it a bit on the.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Radio show, and I was even saying this. I was like,
they're running this span Burger chick. It was also like, me,
x Cia, so don't hold that against me. They're running
this span Burger chick. As like, what is she? Who knows?
She's just a mom. She's just a mom who wants
kids to have good things and school and healthcare and
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you know. And I'm like, I don't even know what
this person stands for other than as soon as she's
in power, Democrats are going to get all this crazy
and sure enough, like.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
How do they keep getting away with this? Do people
not know what the game is?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
She ran basically as a law and order type. I
would say a lot of the ads had her background
in the CIA and as a cop and stuff like that.
I think part of the problem, we have to admit
it is that the Republican Party statewide here and in
other states as well, as just garbage basically. I mean
they did not put up good candidates. I mean the
guy Jay Jones who's running for age, who was caught
(06:42):
texting that he hoped or wanted to see is a
Republican kids killed one Right and Smamberg were won by
fifteen points and there was just no opposition. Honestly, you know,
they were just like the Republicans were constantly talking about
boys and girls locker rooms in high school, which I
think is a genuine issue, right, But economic issues, I
(07:04):
think outweigh that a lot, and people are nervous about
the economy, and they thought Spamberger was going to be
a moderate and here we are are.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I just don't understand how. I guess this is why
it works. The whole game is people don't pay attention.
Because to me, if you're paying even the slightest attention,
whether in Virginia, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, the game that
Democrats play and there are some you know, there's some
variability to this, but overall, the game they play is
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they run as moderates and then they govern as communists and.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
This is just what they do, and they just they
go out.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, I know by the way, you're like an
intellectual and you're an intellectual and a writer, and so
you don't like me saying communists because I know, but
you know what I'm saying, they do this left.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No no, no, no, no, no no. I'm not an intellectual
and I hate commedis and I think you're right about
that in general. But I was gonna just say that Shapiro, Yeah,
we're on the same page on Commedy's okay that Shapiro
in Pennsylvania ran as a moderate and governs as somewhat
of a moderate himself. Now he does that probably because
he has to deal with Republicans, but he is also
(08:07):
popular for doing that. And I think if spam govern
that way should probably end up being somewhat Yunkin was popular.
He was pretty conservative, but he also worked with Democrats
when he had to, and I think that people actually
want some of that. I'm not one of these like
people who's, you know, all for bipartisan stuff, but when
you have a state that's a swing state like this,
you're gonna have to govern that way, I think, to
(08:28):
hold power and be you know, and be effective in
some way.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So it just feels like in Virginia, and I think,
I ask you, actually Wisconsin certainly, on like the Senate
race side, Michigan too, are places where every Democrat who
runs is the most down the middle, common sense, law
and order democrat you've ever heard of. And then they
actually start voting, and I'm talking about the Senate side
of things, for example, and they're just lockstep with whatever
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the hell the crazy Democrats want. I mean, all that
goes out the window. And with Spamberger, it's such an
obvious bait and switch that happened here, and I just
you know, but Democrats are gonna they're gonna try to
do a lot of things in that state that I
think make it really hard, you know. I think that
the calculate You're right about Pennsylvania. By the way, I
was actually thinking ahead. I'm like Fetterman actually was. I
(09:13):
think Fetterman was thought of as more left wing than
he ended up being in some way. He's kind of
he's a little bit of a of an eccentric in
politics in some ways because you and I look, you
and I would agree. He says good things on it,
he says good things on Israel and really Jews, and
he says good things on immigration, other things. He's very
problematic for me anyway. I just see with what happened
(09:35):
in Virginia, you're just like and man, there's something also
about you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
You come across this too.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
The the smug Virginia lib who lives in a super
high income suburb of DC is among the worst lib
in the country. Like, there's something particularly odious to me
about that, because I all know they all used to
work at Langley and like I was around a lot
of these people.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
They're the worst.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
They're the there the My kids go to like either
the most elite public school in the country it depending
on where they are, or go to like a fifty
thousand dollar year of private scho but like, we need
to shut down all the charter schools in DC next door,
because you know, we can't let like underprivileged black and
Hispanic kids actually have a chance at like a good education.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I hate I hate the Beltway bandit lives. They're
the worst.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
They are. It's like a communist invasion. When I first
got to DC many years ago, people used to say,
you can live in Maryland or you can live on
the American side of the border in Virginia. But now
it's no longer the American side of the border here
at all. Just they're annoying. They all make their living
some way connected to the federal government, so they have
like a personal stake as well and making government grow.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well that everyone always says a whole point too.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
By the way, they am not sorry to jump it,
but you and I have you see the same way.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
The number of people that do something that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You're like, that's even a job and is some kind
of like nonprofit or NGO or something, making like two
three hundred grand is mind blowing when you actually look
at this stuff, like the number of people that you're like,
that's even a thing. You know, you're like an advisor
to the US Institute of Peace. You're making a quarter
of a million dollars a year, Like who are you?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I mean, frankly, I have friends I don't really know
what they do, Like I don't know what their job is.
Like I'm not saying my job is anything special, I
just write stuff whatever, But I don't don't know exactly
what they're what they do, what their purpose is. And
I just want to quickly say everyone's always saying, you know,
DC people always complain they don't vote and there's this
idea that we should shrink DC and then you know,
more people could vote. But my idea is to expand
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DC all the way into the Virginia suburbs of Maryland
to take voting rights away from more people who rely
on government, because that's the purpose of DC, and you know,
these people are just voting to gorge government constantly.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I would even argue that geographically, what you're saying, because
I've thought this for a long time, you'll notice that
Northwest d C is very large and Southwest d C
is very tiny. Southwest d C in every sense culturally, politically,
and really geographically, should encompass like Arlington. Arlington, Virginia be
a part of it, should just be because that's really
what it's just the expansion. You crossed the river, it's anyway.
(12:15):
So I'm actually with you with you on that idea.
But yeah, the these throwing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Throwing, Bethesda, throwing, Alexandria, all these places should be in DC.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I only think about Alexandria's is really pretty in the
old Town. So I feel like, I like, I wish
that that could be. I wish we could keep that,
but I know we can't because it's it's full of
it's full of very rich comedies as well. It's always falling. Yeah,
people are like, I always love this thing. People who
communists aren't rich, No, actually they are.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
This is like they don't teach anything to anybody anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Like people actually believe that what Mark said about stuff
is somehow the reality of how communist regimes operate. I'm like,
all right, anyway, you know this is a whole the
whole other conversation. Get me fired up here. We got
a sponsor, but let's talk ice. We come back here.
As in immigration and customs enforcement, I want the HARSANYI
take on what's going on in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
We'll get there here in a second.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
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this audience will be very familiar with the you know,
the basics of ice and we're talking about on radio.
(13:56):
I've been talking about a podcast. But just where we
stand now, it feels like Trump is set. He's had
these calls. You have the petty shooting. The petty shooting,
there were you know, the the other ones up to
the other shooting. Rather I think is fully lawful, tragic
but awful. This one, you know, it looks like it
might have been a good faith but tragic mistake on
(14:19):
the part of some of the officer that fired. Point
here is they're finally getting some traction with the anti
ICE operation narrative. What do you think Trump should do?
What do you think is going on here?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I actually agree with all that. I think the second
shooting I didn't do like a forensic look at the
video or anything out of my expertise, you know, but
it looks more troublesome. So yeah, and both tragic. So
here's the thing, though, just because their tragic shooting happens
doesn't mean that I don't think ICE's purpose is right,
or I don't think what Trump is doing is right.
Those things are separate issues for me at least, And
(14:52):
I think Trump can't really back off now in a
way because then he's let It's not even a heckler's veto.
It's just that you're letting the mob tell you how
to govern the country. It's not how it works. Like
I says, every right to be there. Federal officials control
the border and immigration law, and Trump can't back off
on that. Should he go about it differently? Do you
need different leadership? But you know all that? Yeah, maybe
(15:15):
you do. I don't know, But you can't back off
now in a hole. It doesn't look like he has.
It looks like he talked to walls, and they sort
of made a deal and now they're moving forward. And
I think you need to do that most Americans, I
think you can't let the mob dictate or convince you
that there's public opinion that doesn't exist. Most people don't
like illegal immigration.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And also though I think there's something so dishonest about well,
there's a lot of a lot of room there with
the way the media shows this stuff. You know, this
sort of anti Trump media, Democrat media, whatever, this idea
that the opposition is to the way these operations are
being done. I have to keep reminding everybody there is
(15:58):
no form of ice arresting and deporting illegals that these
people would be okay with and accept.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
This is why I feel like there's a there's a
fun nd mental dishonesty in this whole thing. They're saying, oh,
they're acting like gestapo. Okay, well, they won't let them
into the prisons to get people who are already arrested
for other things, were being held or you know, being
processed for other crimes. They won't work with, they won't
they won't do anything in these sanctuary jurisdictions. The only
option that is to go out into the streets and
(16:30):
actually arrest people who they're looking for, who are violating
law in the country illegally. And there's no version of
this where the people that are being arrested are going
to be happy about it. Like if they show me
one more illegal who's arrested, who looks unhappier, who's crying,
I'm like, yeah, this is you know, if people get
arrested for tax evasion, they cry too, Like this is
the deal, folks.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I agree with all of that. You know, there's no
for most there's not going to be any level of
enforcement that they're going to like. It's like when you
when they tell you, for instance, I'm against assault rifles.
Well if you once you dig deeper, boom, they're against
all guns. It's the way it is every time. But
there's a kind of a broader issue to where there's
just this like protest cult that drives me crazy, where
(17:11):
people think they're patriotic just because they're protesting like this
and it's the newest thing for them. There was BLM,
and then it was GAZA, and now it's ice and
tomorrow who knows what it's going to be. And it's
this hysteria they create and they won with BLM in
a way. But you can't let them win here. This
is illegal stuff. If you don't like what's going on
with ice. We live in a free country. You can
(17:32):
elect people who are going to make ice go away
or whatever you want. But Trump won the election. He
was very clear on this issue, and he has the
right to send at ice to Minnesota. So and you
notice this doesn't happen in states where local officials work
with the federal government, right, doesn't happen in Texas, doesn't
happen in wherever, Florida, but it happens in Minnesota for
(17:54):
a reason.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What's happened to Minnesota? Like, how do you diagnose? I
used to go there when I was a kid. So
now I'm old David, So that was like almost you know,
I don't know, thirty something years ago, we'd go there
with my family to go on camping trips because, like
they you know, it's such a pristine wilderness up you know,
north along the border with Canada.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And now it's.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Like it's like a frozen well I was gonna say,
it's like American Siberia. It's like the communists are running
the show up there. What the hell's going on.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't know enough about it, but I'll say that
there they've been Democrats for a long time. I don't
think a Republican has won there since maybe Reagan eighties.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, it's been forty years.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But they had a certain kind of union member, kind
of like working class kind of democrat that was a
little different. And now that's morphed into something really I mean,
and I'm sure there are still many of those around,
but it's morphed into in the big cities at least,
into something very far left wing and very violent, right.
I mean, this is where you know, there's been violence
here before, and I don't know, it's it's troubling, I think.
(18:58):
I mean, these are tragic incidents, and we you know,
I don't want to belittle that, and it's you know,
especially that first one. It's just unnecessary. People are hysterical,
you know.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We resent all these people like I resent on Morning Joe,
these people who are millionaires sitting in uh, you know,
studios or whatever. Look, I'm sitting in a studio now
and people could lob things at me, but I would
just say, I'm not encouraging people in the freezing cold
to go scream in the faces of armed law enforcement
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officers and get in the way of their cars with
their car sometimes and and threaten them and be like,
you're inciting you know, you're you're you're inviting people to
do very stupid things. You're telling people to play. You know,
how how close can I jump in front of the
train as it passes without getting hit? Well, when someone
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gets hit and you think that that's a fun game
you've been telling everyone to play. I think that there's
some culpability there, at least morally. I know it's not legal,
but it's moral culpability.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
No, I agree. There's things you can do, and there's
things you can do, but you shouldn't do. And like
if you have cops around you and you're going to
hit the gas, tragic thing is going to happen. Now
that and everyone should know that. And another thing like
everyone slows down these videos and all that. I'm sorry.
It's actually a split second decision. Cops usually you have
to make I don't know about the second one. Definitely
(20:20):
in the first one, he's got to make a decision
right there. And I have never been in that position,
and it's very difficult for me. To just be like
that's murder, like I hear that's an execution. No, it's not.
It's tragic. But I'm not a cop. I'm sitting here
in a room and I don't know what went on before.
I don't know what the guys you know, what's happened
to that cop before, and so I don't know. I
(20:41):
think people should give them some leeway. I'm not saying
it's so you know, I'm not saying it should go
around act like you know, bullies, but we should give
them some leeway when they're in dangerous.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Situations, especially when people are making things harder for them.
And all this stuff too, with the noisemakers and the
rape whistles that they're using and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I bet.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Just so you know, David, I'm and if you want
to take this term and run with it, please, I'm
calling them sabotage operations. Did not it's not a protest,
like you driving your car in front of other cops
so they can't do something is not protest legal, and
it's and you're sabotaging law enforcement operations. So I just
think that the whole notion, it's like the mostly mostly
peaceful protest where buildings are on fire during BLM, Like
(21:19):
the buildings being on fire is actually the point. No
one cares about the peaceful protest. Fine, do that, but
we don't care. The point that gets everyone's attention is
the illegal stuff that's ominous and threatening and undermines law
and order.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, I mean there's a role for civil disobedience when
you're actually fighting for some freedom or something. I mean,
there's you know, but if you're there's consequences to that
as well. And if you're gonna put yourself in front
of a cop to stop him from doing his job,
which is legitimate, which which we we we came to
through democracy. We didn't just they're not these aren't gestoppo
and they're doing something. You know, there's there's consequences to pay.
(21:54):
I'm not saying it's okay to shoot people again, but
you know, we all have to have some common sense,
I think.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So, Yeah, David has to throw in some provisos or
some softening at the end there because he lives in
Virginia and some of his neighbors are probably lunatic leftists,
So there's always that You've always got to keep the
got to that's why you might see some maniacs at
the at the the property line.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
They're trueing their hedges. Buddy, you know it's the reality.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
This is why I stay, That's why I'm a shut
in and build an armory. Here.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's this there's this place, David, I want to tell
you about. There's this place, especially.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Right now as you're wearing that itchy sweater and I'm
sitting walk outside of the sunset.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
There's this place you left New York. I left New York?
Did you?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Did you run out of gas because you stopped short
of where you need to go?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
This place called Florida, David, Florida.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I tell you weeks like this. I'm kind of mad
at myself. Yeah, because I thought it wouldn't be that
cold where I am, But it's it's cold, so I
don't know. Maybe we'll be neighbors in the future.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Right now, for you, we have room government De Santis
will welcome you, okay, for you. There's a room for
the communists. No, but it is filling up fast, so
I would I would give it some thought.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
David.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Where can people go to read your latest stuff? Keep
up with all your all your analysis, thoughts and musings.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Most of my stuff's at the Washington Examiner. You can
find me there or on Twitter or whatever. X. I'm
David Harsani.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
When's the next book coming up?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I know books are brutal. Mine's coming out in a month,
by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh really yeah yeah, what what's it about.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It's called manufacturing delusion, But it's about instigating political madness actually,
and like looking at plitarian history, it's actually cool. Like
you would you, as somebody who writes and is a writer,
I think would be like, this is actually a book.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Book. It's not like book Saves America and it's just
me ranting.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's it's like there's research, there's there's no.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Thank you. Yeah, okay, I'll get your copies, so there.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah. But writing it was brutal, right, I mean absolutely brutal,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And and hours hours in, hours out. I mean this
is why everyone just wants to do like podcasting and
be like social media stars now because you make no
money writing, Like writing is the most underpaid profession. And
I really feel like like our civilization is starting to
lose something because.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
To be a writer.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well never mind with AI and now chatchipt and all
this stuff. But to be a writer is increasingly becoming
like a not It used to be a thing that
was very hard, but there was a payoff to it,
right or there was sort of, you know, I grew
up with authors that I loved and they sold their
books and that got made into movies and all that.
You know, at least there was that. Now it's just
(24:29):
I feel like the publishing industry. I don't know, man,
it's tough.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But you but but don't you feel personal satisfaction seeing
that you wrote a book, Like it's such a cool
thing to do now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You know what? I like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm gonna show this. I'm gonna end on it is there?
It is? Yeah, cool, there's the satisfaction right there. I
got to actually write it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The worst part is still to come. You have to
sell it. And that's that's the for me.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
That go get your copy of Manufacturing Delusion. By the way, everybody,
I'll throw that pitch on at the end.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Harsani. Great to see you, man, Thanks for hanging today.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You too, talk to you see
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