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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Buck Brief.
Or In McIntyre in the Mix with us once again,
host of The Or McIntyre Show. He's over at the Blaze.
He's a very wise fellow and we appreciate him making
the time for us. Let's start with this. What is
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with all this craziness over the United Healthcare ceo? Assassin?
This guy who just is like a privileged private school
boy by the way, I know what that's like. I'm
not saying, but you know, then becomes an assassin. What
the heck is with all these people who were saying, oh,
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he's like a hero and he's handsome. Are these people
just insane? Do they actually know what they're saying? What's
going on?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I wonder if there's more to the story than we
understand right now. I got to feel that at some
point the other shoe's going to drop on this. But yeah,
the initial reaction to a lot of people, especially on
the left, but even a few people on the right,
was well, healthcare industry is terrible. These CEOs are terrible.
They had it come in, and I get it to
some extent that the healthcare system the United States is
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not great, especially when it comes to health insurance companies.
They're very often looking for any and every excuse to
deny someone's claim. I think there's pretty good reason to
say that there should be reform in those areas, but
obviously assassinating people in cold blood in the streets is
obviously not the answer. This is not the French Revolution,
and we know where these things go very quickly. Even
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if you're somebody who has problems with the existing healthcare system,
going ahead and approving this kind of violence out in
public is only going to turn on you eventually. When
the left starts encouraging public violence. It never just stops
with the rich or the people that you think may
have something coming towards them. It's going to come for
you and your family.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, I think that the very clear takeaway for anybody
who pays attention to what happens when radicals start to
get their way with violence within a society is it
overwhelmingly works out badly, not just for the society at large,
but often for the people who think that they're the
vanguard of that change, right, that violence, that violent revolution
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from within, it is often self consuming. I mean, I
think the American revolution is in many ways a rare
departure from that historical reality. I think there's deep and
important reasons as to why that is. But I also
think that seeing this and all the anger at healthcare
companies in general, I mean, or I feel like this country,
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it's almost impossible for us to have an honest conversation
about the debt and what the real problem with the
national debt is and health care and what the real
problem with our healthcare system is. And that is that
a lot of people, and I would say it's a
clear majority of the American people want to get more
stuff than they give from these systems, or think that
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that is possible. And I know that's not a popular
thing to say, but the free lunch idea in both
the debt and in healthcare is very popular well.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And the problem with the healthcare industry is multifaceted. Right.
The idea that we even have health insurance isn't exactly accurate.
If I have some kind of car insurance, I don't
expect it to pay for my oil changes. These kind
of things but when it comes to health care insurance,
we don't treat it as something catastrophic. We treat it
as something that is constant and is in use all
the time. It's therefore maintenance, so it's not really insurance
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in the way that we actually understand it, and this
distorts the entire system across the board. Of course, we
also have a large amount of illegal immigrants in the
United States using things like the emergency room of hospitals
as their everyday healthcare provider. That wildly inflates the cost
for people who actually pay money into the system. We're
carrying a lot of artificial load into the system from
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people who shouldn't be here and don't contribute it at all.
That's something that can be changed with policy that has
nothing to do with health care. But people just kind
of roll all this together and think it's one problem.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, well, there's all these aspects of it that are
that are a mess. First of all, I think hospitals
and hospital administrators have you know, this has shifted over time.
I think that hospitals have become some of the worst
offenders when it comes to trying to jack up the
profits and use their positioning within the system, right, because
now it's there's like they have to pay, but they
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change or they have to treat people, but they can
change all the different payment forms. There's no other place
in American society where you go in, right. If I
go in and I say I want a cheeseburger, no
one says, well, hold on, maybe we charge you five
dollars for this cheeseburger. Maybe we charge you five hundred.
Let's sort of see what you're coming to the table
with here, show me your little card. Right, It's it's bizarre.
And then you also have no one discusses this tort reform,
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which sounds boring, but it's massively important. The entire healthcare
industry is hobbled in part by these ambulance chasers. I mean,
I live in Miami. There are billboards everywhere for ambulance chases.
You think everybody's falling off of of you know, e
ladder at work and breaking their hip every five seconds
or something. And this causes massive, massive costs that the
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industry then spreads to policyholders and then creates also a
more aggressive insurance pool protection, which means they don't want
to actually pay out claims like it just seems to
me that we're all we're basically in an increasingly subsidized
and even socialized system, and nobody wants to admit that
because no one wants that to change, because they think
that somehow it's better than if we actually just had
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actual insurance and then you pay for your daily or
your routine healthcare.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, and that's the problem is this system has become
so byzantine and there are so many hands in this
pot that nobody wants to shift anything because there's just
too many people who benefit. As he pointed out, lawyers, doctors, administrators,
pharmaceutical companies, health care insurance companies, all of these have
some factor involved in it. You can't You can look
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at medical patterns, you can look at the different lawsuits
being brought, you can look at the incredible amount of
bloat that goes into the administration and hospitals across the board.
Every one of these things works to impact and increase
the cost of the system. But people just look at
a CEO and say, oh, well, this one guy must
be the problem. Again, there are lots of problems. I
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think there are deeply immoral parts of our healthcare system
that you do need to be addressed. But as you
point out, so much of this is distorted in the
marketplace by the level of involvement of just so many
systems and bureaucracies that it's hard to even get to
the core of the problems because it's just under layer
and layer and layer of people getting paid for being
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a middleman somewhere inside the system.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, there's just so many obtuse incentives and until you
can start to disentangle that and clarify it and have
price transparency and like I said, toward reform and no
more tying insurance to your employer, but just individuals able
to buy policies like we do with everything else, and
selling policy is easily across state lines and all these
different way you know, market driven, so that there are
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incentives for more efficient delivery of care, better health care outcomes.
We go on on forever. None of this happens. All
we ever hear from politicians is we'll take more money
from other people and make your stuff less expensive. And
it is fundamentally a lie. Look at what happens since Obamacare.
The average policy is like double what it was at
least before Obamacare went into effect. I mean, it's it's
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Or in the media's efforts to stop Pete Heggseeth, it
feels like this is the all of the you know,
all of the above approach. They're all working together.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
They really really.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Want to stop heg Seth. Why do you think he's
the one that bothers them the most out of all
the possibilities here, I got to say, the one surprise
to him is I've seen a lot less concern about
Christy Noam at DHS, even though we're supposed to see
the biggest deportation surge in memory. And a lot less
concern about RFK Junior, even though he's talking a big
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game about changing up the health system and going after
big pharma. Why is Pete the one that they're just
dug in on.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, to some extent, we know every single one of
these appointments is going to have a level of pushback.
We've seen what they've done to Kavanaugh and others. This
is how the left is going to behave in every
one of these. So you don't want to give them
any real credence because it doesn't matter from one person
to the other. But you're right, it does. Sing. There's
a specific focus on the Department of Defense, and I
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think that has to be because it's the forever Wars
are such a central part to the current regime. They
feel like they want to control this. They want to
make sure that they continue to keep the influence, the money,
all the peddling that they've been doing with this program continuing.
This is a guy who is well outside the mainstream.
Many people didn't need know who he was when he
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was first announced. That's on purpose. I believe Trump is
bringing a lot of people from outside the swamp in
to make sure that they are personally loyal and are
not looking to burrow into the deep state and make
a name for themselves, but are going to actually follow
his directives. We've seen the generals actually directly just refuse
to follow Trump's orders or keep him in the loop
properly inform him. When you have behavior like that at
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the very top of your military, that's incredibly dangerous, and
you need somebody who you know is going to fight
for you and is going to use or is going
to make your policy prescriptions happen, is actually going to
properly inform you. And they want to make sure that
someone like that is unavailable to Donald Trump. They want
a swamp creature in there. They want someone they can control.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It does strike me as concerning that the establishment view
on these things is very clearly having somebody who has
been directly financially benefiting from defense contractors for a number
of years, let's say, after you know, being an Air
Force general or something that makes you much more capable
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of making decisions that will affect the life and death
of many of our service members than being somebody who's
actually had bullets fly over their head and seen what
happens when strategy goes awry and when we don't have
the best making the decisions, you know what I mean,
that's the part of this. What are they gonna say,
Pete's not going to be as good as Lloyd Austin.
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I got news for everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, the number of raytheon contracts that you stack up
somehow makes you more valuable than actual combat experience. Actually
have a connection with the troops that you would be leading.
These kind of things it's very clear that the bureaucracy
wants their own creature. They want somebody who has benefited
from the establishment. They want somebody who is tied to it,
who is going to follow those incentives and ignore Donald Trump,
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someone who could be lured in with the sirens song.
And again that's why they want someone like except nowhere
near this, because this is someone coming from the outside.
He's going to listen to Donald Trump. He knows who
has put him in this position. He doesn't owe anything
to anyone else in Washington in the way that other
appointees would, and that makes them uniquely dangerous because again,
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perpetual war is the engine of a lot of what
these people want to continue to do, and somebody who's
going to stand against that, who is going to properly
inform Donald Trump and properly follow out his orders, is
a danger to that system.
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orin what do you think is the most the most
important fight for the incoming Trump White House and everything?
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And you know the appointees, the whole Naga machine. If
you will to hit and go full force on day one,
If you had to pick one thing, what is it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I think it's got to be immigration and I've been
really encouraged to see that Trump has kept that front
and center. It would have been really easy to walk
that back, to play it down, to say we're not
going to push for the hard stuff. But all we
have heard from the Trump administration at every level is
massyportations are happening. We just heard that they're going to
remove ICE restrictions that keep ICE from using places like
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hospitals and schools to deport people when they find illegal
immigrants there. It seems like we are really interested in
removing the chains off of the people who are supposed
to be doing their job. And that's all that it
ever needed to do. The laws were already on the books,
the authority was already there. It was just the political
willingness to unleash the people to do their jobs and
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make sure that we remove people who should not be here,
who are making things more expensive, less safe, who are
destroying social fabric. And I am very, very glad to
see that that seems to be something that the Trump
administration has but at the very front of their agenda,
because not only does it affect the safety and security
of the people of the United States, it also impacts
everything from our elections, to our housing prices, through our
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healthcare prices that we just talked about food. Everything hinges
on removing people who should not be here and restoring
America back to a place where we have law and order.
And if there is any immigration, it is only happening
in the strictest legal way. And so I think he's
got to continue to push that, and I'm very heartened
to see that that has been a consistent message from
the Trump had been.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know, I think that they're going to try, meaning
the Democrats, the anti Trump resistance, they're going to try
to use this also. And I agree with you, by
the way, I completely lin with you. I mean, I
think the taking on the deep state thing is important,
but that is it's almost like taking on the debt
that you're in the It would be remarkable for them
to do it because no one else has done it.
(15:38):
But that's a decade long process, I think, and that's
if you have everything going right for you to really
make maybe a decade too long, maybe it's a full term,
but it's at least four years for you to make
real change in that. Whereas on the immigration thing, I mean,
if you support a couple million people the first year, like,
people are going to notice that, right, and that's something
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that could be done. The Democrats are going to use
this as they're oh, my gosh, see how heartless and
horrible the Trump administration is. But if they start with
people who have already been adjudicated and a lot of
whom are criminals, and if they can't control the media
narrative thanks to X and other platforms the way they
used to, I don't know that it's as effective as
they would want it to be. You know what I'm saying,
Like fifteen years ago, if a Republican had done massive deportations,
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they would have said, we're kicking out the next founder
of Google, and like, look at this, you know this
kindly Guatemalan grandmother that's being sent home. Well, if we're
sending MS thirteen gang members in trend to Aragua, Guy's
home to start out with, at least are there. Do
you think they're really going to try to make that
into their rallying cry. I just don't know how they
oppose that without realizing that more than half the country
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disagrees with them.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh, at some point, the left is going to find
some family being separated and we're going to get the
SOB story. That's definitely going to happen. But I think
you're exactly right that this deportation. Of course, the mechanical
aspect has to work, but the most important thing is
really the media blitz that comes along with it. I
want to see calea style, you know, just gang members
lined up, marched out in droves. I want to make
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sure that they are constantly putting the people who have
done the worst possible crime in front of everyone and
showing them being deported. We've already seen people, you know,
media outlets like Axio saying that upwards of thirty million
people could leave once they you know, their parents, and
everybody starts getting deported. So a lot of this is
just once you get the ball rolling, once you have
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a certain number of people moved out, once you realize
that your family is not just going to move in
here and live here and have no problems, then you
are just gonna have people who self deport they start
moving on. You know, you don't have to physically move
every one of a thirty million illegal immigrants out of
the United States. And again, if you start with the
most violent offenders and you make that your primary media
blitz and very importantly something that Trump administration has talked about,
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and I hope they actually do start putting alternative media
sources in their podcasters, bloggers, others. So it's not just
a monopoly of MSNBC and CNN and these guys getting
control of the narrative, but that you are constantly having
alternative media and outside sources bringing these stories of violent
criminals who are here illegally controlling apartment complexes and things
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like that. Watching them get marched out and seeing that
happen first, I think will really bolster the message before
we get hit with the inevitable wave of oh no,
someone's kindly. Grandma has to go back to the place
where all of her family lives and she grew up
and you know, has been for many generations.
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
Of course, thanks for having me, and of course they
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Speaker 1 (19:36):
Fantastic, good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Thanks so much, thanks again,