January 13, 2026 • 21 mins
Buck is joined by Wilfred Reilly to break down the media and political reaction to the Minneapolis ICE shooting. They discuss why the left is elevating this case, comparisons to past flashpoint incidents, and what it reveals about activism, policing, and modern protest culture.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or
wherever you get your podcasts. Why are the Democrats all
show up in arms over what has happened in Minneapolis
recently the shooting of the ice interrupter Lady Now, this
(00:32):
has become something of a cause out there for the
liberal media, for the left, all of them. It's a
big deal for them. We will talk to our friend
Wilfred Riley about this now. He's the author of Lies.
My liberal teacher told me it's a great book. Go
get a copy of it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Wilfrid. What's happening here?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It seems like they want to make this a really
big thing, but their hearts aren't as in it as
when Saint George Floyd was killed.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean, like some of my buddies have been kind
of roasting this almost online, like it's harder to get
people to riot for middle class white people, and there's
an element of cynicism to that, but there's probably also
some reality.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, this is.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Not quite as good as easy, as effective a martyr,
you know, in reality, the actual story here is a
pretty non sympathetic story, and the actual Jacob Blake and
George Floyd's stories weren't necessarily all that sympathetic.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But I mean, this is a woman that's part of
one of these groups.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I believe this one is ICE Watch that have been
following federal agents federal policing operatives around the Twin Cities,
trying to stop them basically doing their job. She and
her wife get into a confrontation with ICE and I
don't know whether she's trying to intentionally hit the agent
or not, but there's a guy on foot in front
of her suv. She accelerates the suv starts revving it
(01:59):
up with him there, and I mean, I think my
backgrounds in the law, he obviously has a very reasonable
fear for his health, if not his life. He discharges
three shots good firearms trail there, and she unfortunately is killed.
And I think even that plays a role. A lot
of people, whatever they might say publicly, are pretty aware
one that this isn't a typical civil rights situation, but
(02:22):
also two it's very easily understandable why this happened the
way it did.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
So No, I mean, you haven't seen any riots or
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean, you have seen a lot of outpouring from
public figures. I mean, the way I described the case
is pretty accurate. That's what happened in the case. But
you've nonetheless seen Tim Walls today he posted to Twitter
from her not gravesite, but from the location where she
was shot, standing amidst all these flowers and stuffed bears
(02:50):
and so on, saying, you have this is a real tragedy.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Explain this to me if you would, Wilfrid. Why are
NBA coaches calling this a murder?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You had Doc.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Rivers, Steve Kerry, They're farn of This is like a murder,
a horrible, horrible thing. This is the worst thing that
they think has happened in America in recent months. Were
they speaking out when Charlie Kirk was assassinated by the way,
which everyone agreed was a crime. I just like, why
do they feel they need to jump in on this
if you're if you're wand of Psykes at the not
(03:22):
the Oscars, the Golden Globes, all these people they care
so much about this, why, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I mean, I think it's sort of a tribal ritual.
I mean, Dick Hanania who I don't agree with on
all issues. But I mean he described some of this
from the right what he calls the based ritual, where
you're just just showing that you're you're allied to one side.
I mean, he critiqued us more than the left actually
with this, But you see it all the time with
the left, where you're saying that I am a member
of the team, I.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Am a good person.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Basically, you know, why would you support an illegal immigrant
criminal in the first place in any situation as a
white radical woman. Well, because you're making a more dramatic
statement than you would by just being a regular, everyday,
boring feminist, right Like, you're you're showing how wildly you're
willing to be, how much of a chance you're willing
(04:12):
to give everyone. And I think that's sort of the
thing with these people. I mean, what you're saying is
that you generally are willing to see the police as
the bad guys. You generally are willing to assume the
governments and the wrong And I mean the overall one
of the messages that a lot of people are giving
out when it comes to ice that I think obviously
you notice, but that's really like Center on left. The
(04:35):
mainstream message in the USA is that we shouldn't be
deporting any illegal aliens. So I mean, when you say
that this person is in a city where legal and
illegal immigrants have ripped off twelve billion dollars, let's not
forget that. And I mean her actions are almost certainly illegal.
How can you cheer for what's going on here? The
(04:57):
context there is, well, she's opposing the bad people that
are sending the good people home. I think that's the
framework a lot of these people have, you know, I mean,
Steve Kerr is not a political expert. I liked him
as a sharpshooter for the bulls, but it means you
keep his mouth shut about politics. But I think that's
what's going on up there.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
If anything is, yeah, it's It's pretty remarkable to me
that in some of these you know you mentioned, there
haven't been broad scale riots. There's been some some street thuggery,
activist stuff in Minneapolis, you know, like they they've gathered
outside a hotel where they thought ice was and I
think they maybe broke some windows or something. Nothing on
(05:33):
the scale of the George Floyd burning down police stations
and all that. Of course, that would be on the
news twenty four to seven just because the spectacle of
it all. So it's a very scale down version of
that so far, but it's some of it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I saw. We actually talked to this on radio Wilfred.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
They were doing like land acknowledgments at one of these
Minnesota approaches before and so I think this is fascinating.
So we still have to sit there and be concerned
about the rights of I don't know what tribe, you know,
like Algonquin or something. I don't know who's up there
in Minnesota. Maybe, yeah, there were you know about this stuff.
(06:10):
I'd have to think I'm better at the southern tribes
I live in Florida. Better at the southern tribes. I
don't know as many of the northern I'd say, like
Sue maybe or anyway Dakota, but Lakota Dakota. So they're
doing those and yet we're not allowed to enforce laws
in a country that has a massive welfare state and
resources that are given to those because of their physical presence.
(06:34):
We're not allowed to be like, well, we got here first,
and we say you can't just show up because you
feel like it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean it's well they're two different levels. I
think the most entertaining thing is the Omni cause, right
where you have the chubby, upper middle class lesbian feminists
showing up to protest for this Somali fraudsters who can't
possibly be deported, and they're all together doing land acknowledgments
(07:03):
for the noble Ashanabi people and so on. I mean,
and it's the question is like, what do all these
people have in common? And I'm it really gets back
to a buddy of mine, James Lindsay or vocal distance,
one of those philosopher types. They tend to be pretty
good on this. The idea is that you're getting back
to the coalition of the fringes, right, Like, what all
these people have in common is that they hate mainstream
(07:24):
centered society, a white, middle class Christian, anyone who might
own three neckties, and what they want to do is
kind of rip that down, tear that down from being
a majority position in the country. And then a lot
of people at Abby Hoffman said this and frankly pretty
much accepted that they'll all fight it out among one another.
(07:46):
You saw this in the Muslim world, where they beat
the Shah and they beat the Christian government in Lebanon,
and then it was a free for all between the
Communists and the Islamists and all these other, in my opinion,
terrible people until you know, so one of them finally won,
usually the Islamists over there. So and now, by the way,
the Iranian shout to them, are coming back from this.
But that's why you're seeing like a Somali woman in
(08:08):
a he job, you know, shouting out the Native American
population of the land. The last thing about this, though,
I absolutely agree with you in that what happened to
the natives is not an argument for Maslowian immigration. Like
I'm part Native, and I get annoyed every time people
bring this up, right, Like people say, well, you know,
(08:31):
Chief Joseph fought hard for this land. Who are you
to defend it now? And it's sort of like, well,
Chief Joseph, you know, honor to his name, didn't want
people coming in and taking away his surprisingly civilized people's land.
The whole point of border defense is that stuff like
that can happen where now he is a road, but
(08:53):
his people don't own the land anymore. So, I mean,
I think that the descendants of the English and Black
and German and Irish people that beat him would do
well to keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And well also though the whole Land acknowledgment thing, to me,
it is among the most obvious religious and ritualistic manifestations
of left wing ideology today because it is purely a
manifestation of.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Allegiance to belief.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like, no one actually thinks we're going to what We've
got three hundred and fifty million people here, like, well,
what are we going to do? We're going to give
it back to the to the ancestors. The whole thing
is absurd and we've already had We've gone through this.
We've got you know, casinos, and you've got reservations and
all these different policies that already exist. So what's the
point of the Land acknowledgment I don't understand. I mean
(09:45):
I also wonder like, at what point do they start
having you know, struggle sessions in UK primary schools over
what they did during the Irish potato famine in eighteen forty.
It's like, okay, I mean it was bad, but I
don't know that people today should be Did you see
you had this this Portland Police Chief Bob Day started
(10:08):
crying because he had to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Do you see this?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
This guy starts crying, is the chief of police in
Portland and chief of police and he has to admit
that the trend to Arragua. Guys who tried to run
over a cop who got shot were actually trend to Aragua.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Why is he crying, Wilfred? Why is he crying?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well, first of all, because he shouldn't be the chief
of police. I mean there's because we've created that. I
actually wrote an article about this for National Review once
that got into complex morality where I was talking about
Nietzsche versus Jesus and so on, and I said, they're
both of them.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I had positive things to say about, by the.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Way, but I said, they're basically three types of morality.
There is master morality, which is kind of Nietzsche and
the old warrior idea like strength is good. There's kind
of Yeoman morality, like muscular Christianity, which is, you know, built,
doing good is good, building this sort of thing, helping others.
What we've kind of gotten into right now is empathic morality,
(11:06):
which is that like not causing risk is good. Like
the highest virtue isn't bravery or strength.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's empathy.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And I think that that's how you get into these
weird places that we are in right now, and you
come to a lot of weird conclusions if you take
these ideas very seriously. One of them seems to be
that you shouldn't weight people at all, in like the
Christian Ordo Amorus sense. So traditionally immigration has been thought
(11:36):
of in terms of how it benefits the country that's
letting in the immigrants. When I talk to lips, when
I talk to modern leftists about immigration, they tend to
think of it in terms of how it benefits the immigrants.
So I mean, I was talking to the guy behind
the Twitter account Evan Love's wharf at one point. He's
actually not an idiot, but I mean, I mean the
point that, like, female genital mutilation is really common in Somalia,
(12:00):
and like this is a bad thing that's going to
come to the USA if we let in large numbers
of Somalis. And he said, well, at least we can
punish the people doing it here, unlike Somalia, so we
might helps some Somali girls. And it wasn't even a
dishonorable statement. It just struck me as kind of a
lunatic one like we would get a lot worse, but
some Somali kids might be helped out in the country
(12:22):
that's collapsing. I think that like, once you accept that paradigm,
like it's out there, pray morality is what I call it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Nietzsche called it slave morality, so do some Christian writers.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Like once you get that, like it's bad to hurt
your enemies this kind of thing, then you get why
you're crying because your cops ran over a gangbanger. I
just like that might be a useful attitude for the
manager of a homeless shelter. You just can't have that
in you're chief of police. It's not even whether it's
good or bad. You just can't have the cops crying
because they've shot the criminals. It doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yes, that is.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
You can't have it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, this is awesome what you see with the A
lot of the escalatory theatrics, whether it's of these ice
you had the ice warriors, they call themselves rippers whatever,
yeah or I yeah. But one of the things that
they love to do is to antagonize police in every
way they can short of requiring a physical violent let's
(13:22):
let's be clear violent response from the cops to see
if they can just you know, get them right to
that edge, or oh, you know, you put your hands
on me, but you weren't required. And I don't think
they understand all law at the end of the day,
whether it's you refusing to give someone your driver's license
in a car when you're pulled over, or you're refusing
a lawful command to stop when there's a scene of
a crime and officers have a reasonable suspicion, like at
(13:43):
the end of the day, if people aren't willing to
put hands on you and rescue to the ground, there
is no law. And I think this is what the
left sort of struggles with or just ignores. They don't
understand that. Whether you're a middle aged you know, a
middle aged white lesbian who really opposes ice, or you're
a guy who is you know, a fleeing felon who's
wanted on fifteen arrest warrants, some guy has to be
(14:05):
able to put hands on you and throw you to
the ground if you don't obey lawful commands or else
there is no law.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's absolutely correct, and I
think people have made this point for centuries, if not millennia,
that like under the world of words written on paper,
there's the actual world of weapons and IQ where the
real games are played that uphold the fake world of
(14:33):
words written on paper. And if you've never seen anything
but the world of words written on paper, you start
believing that that's actually real. And that leads to these
weird encounters that we see. And I mean it goes
beyond like the cop crying because the criminals are injured,
to some of this stuff, like where people are looking
at the cops and saying like you are one percent
(14:53):
over the line and I do not consent to you
touching me. And it's sort of just it's a lack
of understanding of reality, Like it's the thinking that the
formal thing that's over the real thing is actually real
and will protect you, and that I mean, you see
a lot of this, Like the feminist writer Kathy Young
was doing this on social media for the past couple
of days about this stupid car thing, like, well, maybe
(15:15):
she hit him with a car, but it was it
was very light, it was non fatal, and it's sort
of like if you see someone driving towards you with
an SUV and you're legally allowed to shoot them, you're
probably gonna shoot them, Like you're not going to spend
the split second at time you have analyzing how likely
you are to die is versus just get hurt.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And I think also I think people forget too.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
If you ever had the experience of, like, you have
the right of way, you're walking and some guy just
to be a jerk decide to like hit the accelerator
really hard right as he's going past you on the street. Now,
I'm not saying you have the right there to shoot somebody,
but I am saying you get really like it's a
normal human reaction to have like a surge of rage
because that person did just put you in some you
know again, assuming you have the right of way and somebody,
(15:58):
I mean, this has happened to me many times before
where someone just you know, decides they want to hit
because they're frustrated and they're pissed off and they just
want to show you how tough they are or whatever.
But they zoom that three thousand pound vehicle passed you on.
Necessarily you're like you're you're angry, and if you're a
cop and they do it at you, like I can't
imagine my response if someone actually hit me.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh, I'm pulling.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I mean, I fire a lot of guns. I'm pulling,
I'm drawing, I'm shooting.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah. I also think there's an element of reality even
on the other side there, like why would you be angry?
Why would you, as a decently tough guy, jump out
of the way because someone's driving towards you with a car,
Like it doesn't make any sense to say, I've got
the right away, buddy, I'm not moving. The reality is
that everyone moves. Everyone feels a little bit punked because
you're walking and somebody else is in a vehicle. So,
(16:45):
I mean, again, they're just they're those practical realities there.
Everyone recognizes that if you're in a three thousand pounds
murder machine, you can kill somebody, And the conscious denial
of this is really bizarre.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Mean, the martyrdom in this case, I don't think it's
worked as well as it has before, but you're you're
definitely seeing it in full swing. I mean, you're definitely
seeing the I mean there's about a block and a
half area of street that's just swathed with like flowers
and stuffed animals, oxes of fairly expensive chocolates there are,
and it's part of an ongoing mythology.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
By this point.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So like her girl, her wife and other people have
nailed not only all these paintings of her up to
nearby fences, but all these paintings of like other martyrs
in the whole blm slash like Matthew Shepherd gay right
slash stole On struggles.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So like there's a picture of George Floyd.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Next time there's some Trayvon stuff there, there's got to
be Trayvon somewhere in the mix, like this is these
are these are the icons.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It's like Freddie Gray.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
It's like if you go to like an old like
black or Irish grandma's house and there's like christ and
John F. Kennedy and like somebody else, some corrupt local politician.
It's the same thing, except it's with did public figures
from the past twenty years. So yeah, it was it
was George Floyd. I think, Michael Brown, I don't want
(18:09):
to exaggerate about you us at all, but like her
and her wife.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I've been to protests in the past, by the way,
where all this where they have the actual placards and
I've seen and this is pre George Floyd actually, but
I've seen this person was shot by police. This person
was shot by police. You know it is in the
case of Trayvon. Of course the guy wasn't even a cop,
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So people streak, can you can you give me a prediction?
Does the well because next time we have you on,
we'll see does Iran does the Iyotola government the Iranian revolution?
Does it fall between now and your next podcast appearance.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Unfortunately, probably not.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I mean one of the things with these strongman run
fairly competent governments is that they're they're unpopular with their people,
but they don't really have that institutional guilt that we
see in the West. So I mean in China, and
I'm including even Russia, kind of that white West here.
(20:00):
So like in in the Soviet Union, when you had
gloss Naust, you had Patstroika, you had all these brilliant
young blonde students dancing in the streets saying we want freedom.
Gorbachev kind of listened to them. I mean, in China
you saw the same thing. They're they're just as human.
I mean, you're at the crowds out there and Gianam
and the Chinese just sent lines of tanks. He's snaking
down two miles away and crutched it killed everybody. And
(20:23):
I mean, I the the Iranians, they're they're not a
match for our military, but they're probably top twenty militaries
in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
They're gonna likely do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I think.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean, I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You're correct.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
The one thing that that authoritarian regimes, especially that have
access to revenue from fossil fuels or drugs, but authoritarian
regimes are generally very good at is staying in power.
This is because that's what they're obsessed with. That's the
goal number one. Because they know if they're not in power,
you know, they're gonna end up either on the wrong
side of a firing squad or you know, in some
(20:54):
hell hole prison. And that's true of everybody who's say so,
I have to look. I hope I'm wrong, but I
think you gave the right answer. But we'll come back.
We'll talk to you about it, and in some time
when you're back on the show, check out Wilfrid's book
and appreciate you being with me, my man.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Sounds good. Sounds good. Buck, have a good day.
You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or
wherever you get your podcasts. Why are the Democrats all
show up in arms over what has happened in Minneapolis
recently the shooting of the ice interrupter Lady Now, this
(00:32):
has become something of a cause out there for the
liberal media, for the left, all of them. It's a
big deal for them. We will talk to our friend
Wilfred Riley about this now. He's the author of Lies.
My liberal teacher told me it's a great book. Go
get a copy of it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Wilfrid. What's happening here?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It seems like they want to make this a really
big thing, but their hearts aren't as in it as
when Saint George Floyd was killed.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean, like some of my buddies have been kind
of roasting this almost online, like it's harder to get
people to riot for middle class white people, and there's
an element of cynicism to that, but there's probably also
some reality.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, this is.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Not quite as good as easy, as effective a martyr,
you know, in reality, the actual story here is a
pretty non sympathetic story, and the actual Jacob Blake and
George Floyd's stories weren't necessarily all that sympathetic.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But I mean, this is a woman that's part of
one of these groups.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I believe this one is ICE Watch that have been
following federal agents federal policing operatives around the Twin Cities,
trying to stop them basically doing their job. She and
her wife get into a confrontation with ICE and I
don't know whether she's trying to intentionally hit the agent
or not, but there's a guy on foot in front
of her suv. She accelerates the suv starts revving it
(01:59):
up with him there, and I mean, I think my
backgrounds in the law, he obviously has a very reasonable
fear for his health, if not his life. He discharges
three shots good firearms trail there, and she unfortunately is killed.
And I think even that plays a role. A lot
of people, whatever they might say publicly, are pretty aware
one that this isn't a typical civil rights situation, but
(02:22):
also two it's very easily understandable why this happened the
way it did.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
So No, I mean, you haven't seen any riots or
anything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean, you have seen a lot of outpouring from
public figures. I mean, the way I described the case
is pretty accurate. That's what happened in the case. But
you've nonetheless seen Tim Walls today he posted to Twitter
from her not gravesite, but from the location where she
was shot, standing amidst all these flowers and stuffed bears
(02:50):
and so on, saying, you have this is a real tragedy.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Explain this to me if you would, Wilfrid. Why are
NBA coaches calling this a murder?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You had Doc.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Rivers, Steve Kerry, They're farn of This is like a murder,
a horrible, horrible thing. This is the worst thing that
they think has happened in America in recent months. Were
they speaking out when Charlie Kirk was assassinated by the way,
which everyone agreed was a crime. I just like, why
do they feel they need to jump in on this
if you're if you're wand of Psykes at the not
(03:22):
the Oscars, the Golden Globes, all these people they care
so much about this, why, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I mean, I think it's sort of a tribal ritual.
I mean, Dick Hanania who I don't agree with on
all issues. But I mean he described some of this
from the right what he calls the based ritual, where
you're just just showing that you're you're allied to one side.
I mean, he critiqued us more than the left actually
with this, But you see it all the time with
the left, where you're saying that I am a member
of the team, I.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Am a good person.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Basically, you know, why would you support an illegal immigrant
criminal in the first place in any situation as a
white radical woman. Well, because you're making a more dramatic
statement than you would by just being a regular, everyday,
boring feminist, right Like, you're you're showing how wildly you're
willing to be, how much of a chance you're willing
(04:12):
to give everyone. And I think that's sort of the
thing with these people. I mean, what you're saying is
that you generally are willing to see the police as
the bad guys. You generally are willing to assume the
governments and the wrong And I mean the overall one
of the messages that a lot of people are giving
out when it comes to ice that I think obviously
you notice, but that's really like Center on left. The
(04:35):
mainstream message in the USA is that we shouldn't be
deporting any illegal aliens. So I mean, when you say
that this person is in a city where legal and
illegal immigrants have ripped off twelve billion dollars, let's not
forget that. And I mean her actions are almost certainly illegal.
How can you cheer for what's going on here? The
(04:57):
context there is, well, she's opposing the bad people that
are sending the good people home. I think that's the
framework a lot of these people have, you know, I mean,
Steve Kerr is not a political expert. I liked him
as a sharpshooter for the bulls, but it means you
keep his mouth shut about politics. But I think that's
what's going on up there.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
If anything is, yeah, it's It's pretty remarkable to me
that in some of these you know you mentioned, there
haven't been broad scale riots. There's been some some street thuggery,
activist stuff in Minneapolis, you know, like they they've gathered
outside a hotel where they thought ice was and I
think they maybe broke some windows or something. Nothing on
(05:33):
the scale of the George Floyd burning down police stations
and all that. Of course, that would be on the
news twenty four to seven just because the spectacle of
it all. So it's a very scale down version of
that so far, but it's some of it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I saw. We actually talked to this on radio Wilfred.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
They were doing like land acknowledgments at one of these
Minnesota approaches before and so I think this is fascinating.
So we still have to sit there and be concerned
about the rights of I don't know what tribe, you know,
like Algonquin or something. I don't know who's up there
in Minnesota. Maybe, yeah, there were you know about this stuff.
(06:10):
I'd have to think I'm better at the southern tribes
I live in Florida. Better at the southern tribes. I
don't know as many of the northern I'd say, like
Sue maybe or anyway Dakota, but Lakota Dakota. So they're
doing those and yet we're not allowed to enforce laws
in a country that has a massive welfare state and
resources that are given to those because of their physical presence.
(06:34):
We're not allowed to be like, well, we got here first,
and we say you can't just show up because you
feel like it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean it's well they're two different levels. I
think the most entertaining thing is the Omni cause, right
where you have the chubby, upper middle class lesbian feminists
showing up to protest for this Somali fraudsters who can't
possibly be deported, and they're all together doing land acknowledgments
(07:03):
for the noble Ashanabi people and so on. I mean,
and it's the question is like, what do all these
people have in common? And I'm it really gets back
to a buddy of mine, James Lindsay or vocal distance,
one of those philosopher types. They tend to be pretty
good on this. The idea is that you're getting back
to the coalition of the fringes, right, Like, what all
these people have in common is that they hate mainstream
(07:24):
centered society, a white, middle class Christian, anyone who might
own three neckties, and what they want to do is
kind of rip that down, tear that down from being
a majority position in the country. And then a lot
of people at Abby Hoffman said this and frankly pretty
much accepted that they'll all fight it out among one another.
(07:46):
You saw this in the Muslim world, where they beat
the Shah and they beat the Christian government in Lebanon,
and then it was a free for all between the
Communists and the Islamists and all these other, in my opinion,
terrible people until you know, so one of them finally won,
usually the Islamists over there. So and now, by the way,
the Iranian shout to them, are coming back from this.
But that's why you're seeing like a Somali woman in
(08:08):
a he job, you know, shouting out the Native American
population of the land. The last thing about this, though,
I absolutely agree with you in that what happened to
the natives is not an argument for Maslowian immigration. Like
I'm part Native, and I get annoyed every time people
bring this up, right, Like people say, well, you know,
(08:31):
Chief Joseph fought hard for this land. Who are you
to defend it now? And it's sort of like, well,
Chief Joseph, you know, honor to his name, didn't want
people coming in and taking away his surprisingly civilized people's land.
The whole point of border defense is that stuff like
that can happen where now he is a road, but
(08:53):
his people don't own the land anymore. So, I mean,
I think that the descendants of the English and Black
and German and Irish people that beat him would do
well to keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And well also though the whole Land acknowledgment thing, to me,
it is among the most obvious religious and ritualistic manifestations
of left wing ideology today because it is purely a
manifestation of.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Allegiance to belief.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like, no one actually thinks we're going to what We've
got three hundred and fifty million people here, like, well,
what are we going to do? We're going to give
it back to the to the ancestors. The whole thing
is absurd and we've already had We've gone through this.
We've got you know, casinos, and you've got reservations and
all these different policies that already exist. So what's the
point of the Land acknowledgment I don't understand. I mean
(09:45):
I also wonder like, at what point do they start
having you know, struggle sessions in UK primary schools over
what they did during the Irish potato famine in eighteen forty.
It's like, okay, I mean it was bad, but I
don't know that people today should be Did you see
you had this this Portland Police Chief Bob Day started
(10:08):
crying because he had to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Do you see this?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
This guy starts crying, is the chief of police in
Portland and chief of police and he has to admit
that the trend to Arragua. Guys who tried to run
over a cop who got shot were actually trend to Aragua.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Why is he crying, Wilfred? Why is he crying?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well, first of all, because he shouldn't be the chief
of police. I mean there's because we've created that. I
actually wrote an article about this for National Review once
that got into complex morality where I was talking about
Nietzsche versus Jesus and so on, and I said, they're
both of them.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I had positive things to say about, by the.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Way, but I said, they're basically three types of morality.
There is master morality, which is kind of Nietzsche and
the old warrior idea like strength is good. There's kind
of Yeoman morality, like muscular Christianity, which is, you know, built,
doing good is good, building this sort of thing, helping others.
What we've kind of gotten into right now is empathic morality,
(11:06):
which is that like not causing risk is good. Like
the highest virtue isn't bravery or strength.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's empathy.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And I think that that's how you get into these
weird places that we are in right now, and you
come to a lot of weird conclusions if you take
these ideas very seriously. One of them seems to be
that you shouldn't weight people at all, in like the
Christian Ordo Amorus sense. So traditionally immigration has been thought
(11:36):
of in terms of how it benefits the country that's
letting in the immigrants. When I talk to lips, when
I talk to modern leftists about immigration, they tend to
think of it in terms of how it benefits the immigrants.
So I mean, I was talking to the guy behind
the Twitter account Evan Love's wharf at one point. He's
actually not an idiot, but I mean, I mean the
point that, like, female genital mutilation is really common in Somalia,
(12:00):
and like this is a bad thing that's going to
come to the USA if we let in large numbers
of Somalis. And he said, well, at least we can
punish the people doing it here, unlike Somalia, so we
might helps some Somali girls. And it wasn't even a
dishonorable statement. It just struck me as kind of a
lunatic one like we would get a lot worse, but
some Somali kids might be helped out in the country
(12:22):
that's collapsing. I think that like, once you accept that paradigm,
like it's out there, pray morality is what I call it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Nietzsche called it slave morality, so do some Christian writers.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Like once you get that, like it's bad to hurt
your enemies this kind of thing, then you get why
you're crying because your cops ran over a gangbanger. I
just like that might be a useful attitude for the
manager of a homeless shelter. You just can't have that
in you're chief of police. It's not even whether it's
good or bad. You just can't have the cops crying
because they've shot the criminals. It doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yes, that is.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
You can't have it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, this is awesome what you see with the A
lot of the escalatory theatrics, whether it's of these ice
you had the ice warriors, they call themselves rippers whatever,
yeah or I yeah. But one of the things that
they love to do is to antagonize police in every
way they can short of requiring a physical violent let's
(13:22):
let's be clear violent response from the cops to see
if they can just you know, get them right to
that edge, or oh, you know, you put your hands
on me, but you weren't required. And I don't think
they understand all law at the end of the day,
whether it's you refusing to give someone your driver's license
in a car when you're pulled over, or you're refusing
a lawful command to stop when there's a scene of
a crime and officers have a reasonable suspicion, like at
(13:43):
the end of the day, if people aren't willing to
put hands on you and rescue to the ground, there
is no law. And I think this is what the
left sort of struggles with or just ignores. They don't
understand that. Whether you're a middle aged you know, a
middle aged white lesbian who really opposes ice, or you're
a guy who is you know, a fleeing felon who's
wanted on fifteen arrest warrants, some guy has to be
(14:05):
able to put hands on you and throw you to
the ground if you don't obey lawful commands or else
there is no law.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's absolutely correct, and I
think people have made this point for centuries, if not millennia,
that like under the world of words written on paper,
there's the actual world of weapons and IQ where the
real games are played that uphold the fake world of
(14:33):
words written on paper. And if you've never seen anything
but the world of words written on paper, you start
believing that that's actually real. And that leads to these
weird encounters that we see. And I mean it goes
beyond like the cop crying because the criminals are injured,
to some of this stuff, like where people are looking
at the cops and saying like you are one percent
(14:53):
over the line and I do not consent to you
touching me. And it's sort of just it's a lack
of understanding of reality, Like it's the thinking that the
formal thing that's over the real thing is actually real
and will protect you, and that I mean, you see
a lot of this, Like the feminist writer Kathy Young
was doing this on social media for the past couple
of days about this stupid car thing, like, well, maybe
(15:15):
she hit him with a car, but it was it
was very light, it was non fatal, and it's sort
of like if you see someone driving towards you with
an SUV and you're legally allowed to shoot them, you're
probably gonna shoot them, Like you're not going to spend
the split second at time you have analyzing how likely
you are to die is versus just get hurt.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And I think also I think people forget too.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
If you ever had the experience of, like, you have
the right of way, you're walking and some guy just
to be a jerk decide to like hit the accelerator
really hard right as he's going past you on the street. Now,
I'm not saying you have the right there to shoot somebody,
but I am saying you get really like it's a
normal human reaction to have like a surge of rage
because that person did just put you in some you
know again, assuming you have the right of way and somebody,
(15:58):
I mean, this has happened to me many times before
where someone just you know, decides they want to hit
because they're frustrated and they're pissed off and they just
want to show you how tough they are or whatever.
But they zoom that three thousand pound vehicle passed you on.
Necessarily you're like you're you're angry, and if you're a
cop and they do it at you, like I can't
imagine my response if someone actually hit me.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh, I'm pulling.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I mean, I fire a lot of guns. I'm pulling,
I'm drawing, I'm shooting.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah. I also think there's an element of reality even
on the other side there, like why would you be angry?
Why would you, as a decently tough guy, jump out
of the way because someone's driving towards you with a car,
Like it doesn't make any sense to say, I've got
the right away, buddy, I'm not moving. The reality is
that everyone moves. Everyone feels a little bit punked because
you're walking and somebody else is in a vehicle. So,
(16:45):
I mean, again, they're just they're those practical realities there.
Everyone recognizes that if you're in a three thousand pounds
murder machine, you can kill somebody, And the conscious denial
of this is really bizarre.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Mean, the martyrdom in this case, I don't think it's
worked as well as it has before, but you're you're
definitely seeing it in full swing. I mean, you're definitely
seeing the I mean there's about a block and a
half area of street that's just swathed with like flowers
and stuffed animals, oxes of fairly expensive chocolates there are,
and it's part of an ongoing mythology.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
By this point.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So like her girl, her wife and other people have
nailed not only all these paintings of her up to
nearby fences, but all these paintings of like other martyrs
in the whole blm slash like Matthew Shepherd gay right
slash stole On struggles.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So like there's a picture of George Floyd.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Next time there's some Trayvon stuff there, there's got to
be Trayvon somewhere in the mix, like this is these
are these are the icons.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It's like Freddie Gray.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
It's like if you go to like an old like
black or Irish grandma's house and there's like christ and
John F. Kennedy and like somebody else, some corrupt local politician.
It's the same thing, except it's with did public figures
from the past twenty years. So yeah, it was it
was George Floyd. I think, Michael Brown, I don't want
(18:09):
to exaggerate about you us at all, but like her
and her wife.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I've been to protests in the past, by the way,
where all this where they have the actual placards and
I've seen and this is pre George Floyd actually, but
I've seen this person was shot by police. This person
was shot by police. You know it is in the
case of Trayvon. Of course the guy wasn't even a cop,
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(19:20):
So people streak, can you can you give me a prediction?
Does the well because next time we have you on,
we'll see does Iran does the Iyotola government the Iranian revolution?
Does it fall between now and your next podcast appearance.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Unfortunately, probably not.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I mean one of the things with these strongman run
fairly competent governments is that they're they're unpopular with their people,
but they don't really have that institutional guilt that we
see in the West. So I mean in China, and
I'm including even Russia, kind of that white West here.
(20:00):
So like in in the Soviet Union, when you had
gloss Naust, you had Patstroika, you had all these brilliant
young blonde students dancing in the streets saying we want freedom.
Gorbachev kind of listened to them. I mean, in China
you saw the same thing. They're they're just as human.
I mean, you're at the crowds out there and Gianam
and the Chinese just sent lines of tanks. He's snaking
down two miles away and crutched it killed everybody. And
(20:23):
I mean, I the the Iranians, they're they're not a
match for our military, but they're probably top twenty militaries
in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
They're gonna likely do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I think.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean, I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You're correct.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
The one thing that that authoritarian regimes, especially that have
access to revenue from fossil fuels or drugs, but authoritarian
regimes are generally very good at is staying in power.
This is because that's what they're obsessed with. That's the
goal number one. Because they know if they're not in power,
you know, they're gonna end up either on the wrong
side of a firing squad or you know, in some
(20:54):
hell hole prison. And that's true of everybody who's say so,
I have to look. I hope I'm wrong, but I
think you gave the right answer. But we'll come back.
We'll talk to you about it, and in some time
when you're back on the show, check out Wilfrid's book
and appreciate you being with me, my man.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Sounds good. Sounds good. Buck, have a good day.
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