July 29, 2026 • 26 mins
Former FBI agent Nicole Parker analyzes Anthony Fauci’s testimony, body language, and decision to arrive at the hearing with six attorneys. Legal analyst Gregg Jarrett explains whether Fauci’s pardon protects him from state charges, civil lawsuits, or prosecution related to future testimony. Mark also takes calls from listeners questioning the validity of Fauci’s pardon and whether businesses and families harmed by pandemic restrictions could pursue legal action.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, hey, it's Mark Simone here for Sean Hannity. Normally
I'm on our big flagship station WOR in New Yorker
or on the iHeart app. We're going to talk about
the little weasel worm Anthony Fauci. But first, here is
some great moments. This is Senator Bernie Marino. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Her advice.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
To communities like that, to idiotic politicians who enforce those rules.
Arrested that mom for watching a football game with her
own family outside. When that story broke, I said to myself,
I cannot stand ile on the side and watch this happen.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It was about six years ago today that I decided
I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Give up my businesses, sell them all, run for office,
run to the United States Senate. Here I am sitting
in front of you, six years later, saying, who the
fuck do you think you were for doing that? It
is a total disgrace what you did to this country.
And if my Democrat colleagues are standing there defending you,
I hope the voters in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Watched the clips of every one of you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Doting on a guy who was more interested in being
a celebrity than saving American people. I will make it
my mission to make certain that every single one of
those republic Democrats who did that, we'll see that clip
over and over and over again, because defending there is
(01:36):
no defense of what you did.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You may have had.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
A fifty plus year legacy of public service, but it
ends in total and complete disgrace.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, that's a Senator Marino. Very wealthy guy, by the way,
very wealthy guy who sold all his businesses to go
after a fout. You and at who the blank do
you think you are? Are you thinking? And Facci he's
not talking, he's taking the fifth Otherwise he would have said, Senator,
in congregate settings, we can't do Hey one more. Here's
(02:09):
Senator Josh Holly.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
What color tie you're wearing on the Advisive Council? I
respectfully decline to and sebased upon my rights under the
Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What color is a carpet in front of you on
the Advisive Council?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I respectfully decline to and sebased upon my rights under
the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh, let's just get one thing straight.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
You don't have any rights under the Fifth Amendment because
you've been pardoned, as you very well know, as a
Supreme Court has been clear for a century and more,
Brown versus Walker, eighteen ninety six. When he has been pardoned,
he may not stand upon his privilege. You know that
your lawyer as sitting behind you now shifting nervously in
their chairs.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They know it.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
This isn't about the Constitution, This isn't about the law.
This is about contempt, contempt for this body and contempt
for the American people. But I think I know why
you're doing it. It's because I want to answer questions.
It's because you did all kinds of terrible things. It's
because during the pandemic you got rich, didn't you. You
got rich while people were dying, hundreds of thousands of
(03:13):
Americans over a million in the end, and you were
getting rich. And not only were you doing that, you
were using federal employees with taxpayer money to apply for
and solicit cash prizes for you personally, cash prizes totaling
over a million dollars. You did all of that during
the pandemic, didn't you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
That's a question on the Advisive Council, I respectful the
decline to answer, based upon my rights under the Fifth
amendment of the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now what that means. See, you meet with your lawyers
for many hours. You meet with your lawyers, you have
an attorney client privilege. You go over what you could say,
You explain everything to them. So on the advice of
his attorneys, the attorney said, oh my god, you can't
say any of that. You better take the fifth. They
heard what he would say. They said, you better take
the fifth. Can't say that, So it must have been
(04:01):
pretty bad. Hey, we turn now to a former FBI agent,
Nicole Parker. Her book is The Two Fbis The Bravery
and Betrayal. An expert in these sort of matters, FBI
agent for years, and she's with us now. Nicole Parker,
how you doing.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Wow, I'm doing pretty well. But like yourself, you probably
watched that hearing and not shocking at all, but very troubling,
very very troubling. To thank the doctor Fauci, the preemptive
autopen pardon that started back in twenty fourteen and went
all the way through the Biden administration. And to know
(04:43):
what destruction was caused in our nation, the number of
lives that were lost. Not only was the virus destructives
and killed individuals but I believe that the reaction to
the virus was even more dangerous and lesal than the
virus itself. Yeah, you're talking about, you know, having worked
(05:04):
in the FBI, for example, I focus a lot on
human trafficking. The number of children that were put onto
Zoom for their education and were online constantly. They were
exposed to online predators. They were exposed to abuse. People
don't understand when children go to school, that's actually an
outlet for them to report abuse. They no longer have that.
(05:24):
They were in lockdown mode. Online predators were going after children.
Their educations were not only stunted, I believe that they
were put into dangerous situations. The list goes on and on.
The economy completely, it was the strongest economy I think
we'd ever seen. Do you think it's a coincidence that
during an election year, this virus suddenly appears from China
when Trump has the strongest, you know, economy ever, they
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take it into the ground, And I do believe that
it also facilitated a lot of the voting and how
people were voting in that election, the mail in ballots
and things that the FBI frankly never went in and investigated.
And so being someone that worked as a special agent
for the FBI. As my book explains, there works with fis.
There was one that was politically motivated. I refer to
(06:07):
that as FBI two FBI one where the agents that
just wanted to begin their uphold the Constitution and protect Americans.
When you go to serve in the FBA and your
FBI one, your primary responsibility is you want to protect
Americans and uphold the Constitution. And from someone who observed
it from the inside, it's absolutely despicable. And to think
that this individual who now has diaries that have come
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to light his arrogance, his narcissism, and his impior motives,
and to think if you got that preemptive pardon, it
may never find accountability after all the destruction he caused
in our nation. It's very upsetting, very troubling, and I
truly believe that he will face the consequence. You know what,
(06:52):
Mark he may not face one now, but I believe
that we will all face our maker one day. And again,
having worked in the FBI, you can't serve just as
on every single individual. You think that people are getting
away with something. I do believe that one day he
will face it, very very severe consequence for what he
costs for our nation and frankly for the whole world.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, let's hope. So, Hey, Nicole Parker, your FBI training,
you're trained in when you're questioning somebody, how to read
the face read them. When you saw him testifying, what
did you think was going through his mind?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Well, first of all, the fact that he had, you know,
almost half a dozen attorney's present That says a lot
heeded legal representation, even though he thinks that he's covered.
You know, I just actually before I joined you on air,
there's actually an article that came out on CNN of
all places, saying that invoking the fifths, he may not
be completely covered. There are a lot of different legal
theories coming out now. And I know that the state
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of Florida, I believe that they're going to be looking
at him on a state level that it does not
necessarily that that part, it may not preclude him Boom
from being charged in other ways than.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
On other levels.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
But his demeanor I noticed initially when he read at
his opening statement. You know, it's nerve racking to testify
before Congress, but that wasn't his first time to do
that his hands were visibly shaking, that paper was literally
his hands were quivering. That's something that you're going to
look at very closely. That could be for a number
of reasons, but I think the fact that, in my opinion,
(08:20):
just looking at his body language, he wanted to appear
as if he was cool, calm, and collective. But I
think anxiety was absolutely nervous.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Wow, reason to be Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah,
it's the two hundred and fiftieth time he's been in
front of Congress, so you're right, he's been through it before.
He shouldn't have been so so nervous. What do you
I mean, we would like to see you justice happened here,
But what do you do about the fact that nobody's
covering it? I mean the mainstream You won't see it
(08:46):
on the nightly news. If you see it, they'll bury
it at the end, or you don't see it on
MSNBC or CNN. What about that?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
You know, that's the problem that again I even discussed
it in my book, how our media, regardless of where
you feel on the plus the political spectrum, media is biased.
They're only through news networks that are ever going to
touch or cover something like this. I do believe that
if x if Elon and Musk could own Twitter, which
(09:13):
is not the X platform during the time of COVID,
he would have never gotten away with any of this,
meaning doctor Gauci, because that is a free speech platform
for people that want to understand and know what's really
happening in the world. It's not always best to turn
on ABC, NBCC and an MSNBC, but frankly, there is
an open form of discussion on both sides of the
spectrum on some of these social media sites, and I
(09:36):
truly believe that I myself had been looking out and
checking what people are saying on both sides. I always
want to hear what representation is there, you know, there's
always that concern. I literally know people in this country
right now who did not even know about the Fauci diaries.
They knew nothing about it. They knew nothing about him
(09:56):
even testifying today. They didn't even know what was going
to be happening. So again my I said, I was
a little shocked to even see on CNN on an
Instagram post that they were acknowledging that doctor POUCHI might
have some problems.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Leading the FIST.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh okay, good, well, it's great stuff. Nicole Parker, thanks
for being here. Her book, yeah, which you want to
get her book, The two fbis the Bravery and Betrayal
I saw in my time at the Bureau. Great book.
And Nicole Parker, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
My pleasure.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Y'all have a great day, all right, take care. Hey,
we'll take some calls next eight hundred I almost give
out the number of my show here and here now
eight hundred nine one Sean eight hundred nine one seven
three at two six, it's Mark Simone here on the
Sean Hannity Show. Hey, welcome back. It's Mark Simone here
(10:46):
for Sean Hannity. Sean is in South Carolina the funeral
of Lindsey Graham. He'll be back tomorrow on the show
with us right now. The best legal analyst of all,
Greg Jarrett. You should get all of his excellent books.
And of course you'll see him all of our Fox News.
And it's great to happen with us, Greg Jared. How
you doing, Hey?
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Im fine, Mark, good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Hey. Anthony Fauci comes with six lawyers to the hearing.
How often do you see anybody showed with six lawyers.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Well, he probably needs about sixty lawyers, you know, because
Anthony Fauci has you know, been exposed by his own
words his diary. You know, it appears he tells his
diary the truth, but then spent years pedaling lies to
(11:39):
the public. And look, Senator rand Paul was obviously frustrated today.
He threatened both contempt and obstruction of Congress after Fauci
invoked the Fifth But you know, legally it would be difficult,
it would be a challenge for Senator Paul since claiming
(12:03):
the Fifth Amendment is not by itself a crime. In fact,
it's a constitutional right that for two hundred some odd
years has very broad protection, and it supersedes the power
of the kind of criminal statutes that Paul was referring to.
(12:25):
You know, Fauci's preemptive pardon, understand, covers any past crimes
that occurred before the pardon, not crimes afterward like now.
So Frauci was in legal jeopardy today if he failed
to tell the truth. Many need to be charged with
new crimes if he lied. And that's why his lawyer,
(12:49):
his sixth lawyers told him to clam up. Now, you know,
having said that Senator Paul does have a valid point
that Biden's pardon means that Fauci is not subject to
federal criminal prosecutions, and therefore it was invalid or inappropriate
(13:15):
for him to invoke the fifth But that ignores the
fact that Fauci can still be criminally charged by various states,
And in fact, within a couple of hours of h
test Fine, the Attorney General in the state of Florida
said we're conducting an investigation of Fuci and implied that
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he'd bring charges against him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So if he did commit something that would be chargeable,
and during the pandemic in his job, what jurisdiction does
Florida have over that since his job is in Washington.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Well, because it affected the citizens of Florida. You know,
he was issuing orders or he was certainly trying to
persuade public officials in all fifty states to take certain
actions like closing business doors and closing schools, and you know,
(14:14):
distancing requirements, and you know, limiting get togethers and going
outdoors and even going to the park. And you know,
I wrote at the time several columns saying this is
a historically egregious violation of civil liberties. Fauci and the government,
(14:35):
government and governors in various states have no right to
do this. And I also happened to point out it
doesn't seem to be based on science, and we now
know it wasn't. I interviewed Fauci at the outset of
the pandemic, and I remember afterwards turning to my producer
and saying, is it your sense that that guy doesn't
(14:57):
know what the hell he's talking about. He he's all
over the place, and he was, you know, one week
he said, oh, mask won't an he could. The next
week is you got to wear a mask. The week
after that you got to wear two masks. And you know,
I'll tell you this much. The Fauci Diary, which was
(15:20):
dug up by the Department of Homeland Security I think
it was, or the DOJ, makes for pretty interesting reading.
Fauci comes across as a narcissistic, vainglorious person marinating in
his own fame, delights in the adoration, writing down every
(15:44):
word of praise. He brags about his TV appearances, both
of these the most recognizable man in the world, essentially Mark.
You know, Fauci fell in love with himself and at
the same time seemed utterly unbothered about the rising death toll,
tens of thousands, then millions who were dying. But you know,
(16:07):
the diary also contradicts his sworn testimony where he told
Congress the desks were much higher than they really were,
that genda hysteria. He writes that the infections were not
connected to a Wuhan marketplace, but privately, you know, he
(16:28):
is conceding it came from a Chinese lab that he
helped fund, you know, So you know, the diary itself
incriminates him.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We're talking with Greg Jared. So if a state goes
after him like this Florida Attorney General, do they have
to go after him in Washington, d c. Where he
did whatever he did, or can they bring him to
Florida and try him there with a more favorable jury.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
You can try him in all fifty states if you want,
you know, because this was a nationwide pandemic and his
actions affected people in all fifty states. So now I
don't know on what grounds Florida or you know, let's say,
(17:18):
you know, Missouri or South Carolina decide to investigate Fauci
and you know, bring charges. I just don't know, but
you know, I know that he was if I were
his lawyer today, and I would never represent it, but
(17:39):
I would have said, yeah, you better invoke the fifth
because if you make new eyes today, Biden's pardon doesn't
cover it. And if you say things today and you
know state agees are listening, that might instigate an investigation
and prosecution against you, so you better clam up. And
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that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So but from that we can assume there was he
couldn't tell the truth because the truth would have sunk him.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Right, yeah, I mean he's sort of in a knowing situation,
as I say, you know, his own words and his
diary incriminate him. You know, Fauci insists publicly that COVID
had a natural origin. He still says, so yeah, but
(18:29):
wait a minute. In his diary he says, the deadly
virus is man made in the very Wuhan labby funded
with US taxpayer dollars. So you know, you can't reconcile
those two. One of them is a lie. And my
bet is he's telling dear diary the truth because people
tend to do that, but he was lying to the
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American people and the amount of damage that this guy
did is really unfathomable in American history, more than anybody
I can ever think of. If he had a hand
in the creation of this deadly Frankenstein virus, and there's
(19:13):
evidence that he did that, his department at NIH funded it.
You know, does he have blood on his hands?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
One hundred and fifty five? You know a million people
world wide loss their lives, more than a million Americans.
Is he partially to blame? I mean, you know, this
whole gain of function research in which you take deadly
viruses and you supersize them and make them more transmissible
(19:43):
to humans, That's insanity. There is no way that you
can justify doing that. Because anybody with an ounce of
common sense and pinhead scientists tend to be devoid of that,
would say themselves, oh what if it gets loose? And
this Wuhan lab in particular had an abysmal safety record.
(20:08):
I mean, that's the last lab in the world that
US taxpayer money should ever go to, and yet Fauci
apparently saw to it that money went to the Wuhan
lab that created the virus that killed millions.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, hey, Greg, they were investigator to see if Fauchi's
parton was done with that autopen. I don't know how
forensically you'd proved it was the autopen. But if it
was the Autopen, you think that pardon could ever be
out removed.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
It's clearly the autopen because it doesn't match Biden's handwritten signatures.
Apparently the only handwritten signature was the parton he gave
to his own son, Hunter Piden. So this was the autopen.
I don't think that's disputable. Here's what I would do
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if I were at the DOJ. I would bring criminal
charges as outlined by Senator Paul against Fauci for Lyne
repeatedly to Congress about funding the Wuhan Lab and other
things as well. Fauci would then invoke his pardon, and
then a judge would have to decide what to do.
(21:23):
Is it a valid pardon that puts into play the
autopen pardon? And there would have to be proof that
Biden knew and consented in order for that Fauci pardon
to be valid, because if it was done behind Biden's back,
as I think a great many of the pardons and
(21:45):
commutations were done without his knowledge and consent his inner
circle of just handing out pardons like slices of pizza
signed by the autopen. You know, then it's null and void.
You know, there has to be knowledge and consent. Well,
what if you got a president whose mind has turned
(22:08):
apple sauce and he doesn't have the capacity to have
knowledge and consent. That's another wrinkle in all of this. So,
you know, if I were at the DOJ, if I
were the attorney General, I'd bring charges against Fauci, let
him invoke the pardon, and let's go to court and
decide whether these were valid pardons. And by the way, Mark,
(22:32):
nobody's ever challenged preemptive pardons. Historically, pardons were for crimes
that had been charged. A preemptive pardon is for crimes
uncharged and still imagined. Well, is that a valid pardon?
We don't have the answer to that in a court
(22:54):
of law. Maybe we need one.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Wow, interesting stuff, fascinating stuff. Well, Greg, Jared, glad we were
able to get you on because nobody better when it
comes to legal analysis. Get Greg Jarrett's books, The Constitution
and Other Patriotic Documents Trial of the Century. They're wonderful books.
Amazon or where we get your books. And Greg Jarrett,
thanks for being with us.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Hey, Mark, thanks so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
All right, take care. That's interesting, so we'll see. We'll see.
Christy will just prop up Joe Biden and have him
read a statement that he was his pardon he signed it,
and I don't know, Well, what do you think. We'll
take some calls in a minute. One eight hundred nine
for one, Sean is the number. One eight hundred nine
for one Sean. It's Mark Simone here on the Sean
(23:38):
Hannity Show.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Hannity, you watch keeping an eye on Chuck and Nancy
and their minions. Sean Hannity, Hey, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's Mark Simone here for Sean Andnity. Shawn's in South
Carolina for the funeral of Lindsey Graham and he'll be
back tomorrow. We'll take a look at the great service
at the National Cathedral coming up later in the next hour.
Let's take some calls. Let's go to Jill in California. Jill,
how you doing?
Speaker 9 (24:40):
Mark doing great? Thanks for taking my call. I actually
had a question for mister Jarrett, but he's no longer
on air, so maybe some lawyers listening to you could
answer this question. I mean, during the COVID years, so
many small business owners went out of business. Can they
now take Fauci to civil court?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Well?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Absolutely, yeah. Anybody can sue anybody. Businesses can certainly sue.
Fauci had been tough before, but now you got the
diaries where he makes it clear that he ordered these lockdowns,
He ordered things shut. There's a lot of you read
through the diaries. He called the New York City mayor
Deblasio asked him to close the schools. Parents could sue. Yeah,
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everybody could say. I don't know if he'd be successful,
but that'd be great to see that little worm spend
the rest of his life going to court every day
and he's got those six attorneys. Let him do something,
give him something to do. Thanks for calling, Jill. Let's
go to Tamara in Missouri. Tamara, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Good? What'd you want to say?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I have a question. If Biden was not competent to
run for reelection, couldn't it be an argument that he
was not competent to make any pardons?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Very good point. However, he does have democratic immunity, which
is something very serious. Now it's a very good point. Yeah,
you could argue that, but it was Greg Jarrett was saying,
you'd have to charge Fauci and then let him try
to use his pardon. That way, a judge would have
to rule on the pardon and they could bring up,
you know, the fact that it was an auto pen
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and what you've just said that if he wasn't competent
to run for reelection, if his own party determined he
wasn't confident, how could he be confident to hand out pardon?
So very very good point. Hey, we get a lot
to get to in the next hour. We'll take some
more calls. One eight hundred nine one Sewan is the number,
one eight hundred nine four one Sean. It's Mark Simone
(26:42):
here normally on our flagship w R. Coming up in
the next hour. A lot to get to.
Well, hey, it's Mark Simone here for Sean Hannity. Normally
I'm on our big flagship station WOR in New Yorker
or on the iHeart app. We're going to talk about
the little weasel worm Anthony Fauci. But first, here is
some great moments. This is Senator Bernie Marino. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Her advice.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
To communities like that, to idiotic politicians who enforce those rules.
Arrested that mom for watching a football game with her
own family outside. When that story broke, I said to myself,
I cannot stand ile on the side and watch this happen.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It was about six years ago today that I decided
I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Give up my businesses, sell them all, run for office,
run to the United States Senate. Here I am sitting
in front of you, six years later, saying, who the
fuck do you think you were for doing that? It
is a total disgrace what you did to this country.
And if my Democrat colleagues are standing there defending you,
I hope the voters in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Watched the clips of every one of you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Doting on a guy who was more interested in being
a celebrity than saving American people. I will make it
my mission to make certain that every single one of
those republic Democrats who did that, we'll see that clip
over and over and over again, because defending there is
(01:36):
no defense of what you did.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You may have had.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
A fifty plus year legacy of public service, but it
ends in total and complete disgrace.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, that's a Senator Marino. Very wealthy guy, by the way,
very wealthy guy who sold all his businesses to go
after a fout. You and at who the blank do
you think you are? Are you thinking? And Facci he's
not talking, he's taking the fifth Otherwise he would have said, Senator,
in congregate settings, we can't do Hey one more. Here's
(02:09):
Senator Josh Holly.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
What color tie you're wearing on the Advisive Council? I
respectfully decline to and sebased upon my rights under the
Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What color is a carpet in front of you on
the Advisive Council?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I respectfully decline to and sebased upon my rights under
the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh, let's just get one thing straight.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
You don't have any rights under the Fifth Amendment because
you've been pardoned, as you very well know, as a
Supreme Court has been clear for a century and more,
Brown versus Walker, eighteen ninety six. When he has been pardoned,
he may not stand upon his privilege. You know that
your lawyer as sitting behind you now shifting nervously in
their chairs.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They know it.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
This isn't about the Constitution, This isn't about the law.
This is about contempt, contempt for this body and contempt
for the American people. But I think I know why
you're doing it. It's because I want to answer questions.
It's because you did all kinds of terrible things. It's
because during the pandemic you got rich, didn't you. You
got rich while people were dying, hundreds of thousands of
(03:13):
Americans over a million in the end, and you were
getting rich. And not only were you doing that, you
were using federal employees with taxpayer money to apply for
and solicit cash prizes for you personally, cash prizes totaling
over a million dollars. You did all of that during
the pandemic, didn't you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
That's a question on the Advisive Council, I respectful the
decline to answer, based upon my rights under the Fifth
amendment of the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now what that means. See, you meet with your lawyers
for many hours. You meet with your lawyers, you have
an attorney client privilege. You go over what you could say,
You explain everything to them. So on the advice of
his attorneys, the attorney said, oh my god, you can't
say any of that. You better take the fifth. They
heard what he would say. They said, you better take
the fifth. Can't say that, So it must have been
(04:01):
pretty bad. Hey, we turn now to a former FBI agent,
Nicole Parker. Her book is The Two Fbis The Bravery
and Betrayal. An expert in these sort of matters, FBI
agent for years, and she's with us now. Nicole Parker,
how you doing.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Wow, I'm doing pretty well. But like yourself, you probably
watched that hearing and not shocking at all, but very troubling,
very very troubling. To thank the doctor Fauci, the preemptive
autopen pardon that started back in twenty fourteen and went
all the way through the Biden administration. And to know
(04:43):
what destruction was caused in our nation, the number of
lives that were lost. Not only was the virus destructives
and killed individuals but I believe that the reaction to
the virus was even more dangerous and lesal than the
virus itself. Yeah, you're talking about, you know, having worked
(05:04):
in the FBI, for example, I focus a lot on
human trafficking. The number of children that were put onto
Zoom for their education and were online constantly. They were
exposed to online predators. They were exposed to abuse. People
don't understand when children go to school, that's actually an
outlet for them to report abuse. They no longer have that.
(05:24):
They were in lockdown mode. Online predators were going after children.
Their educations were not only stunted, I believe that they
were put into dangerous situations. The list goes on and on.
The economy completely, it was the strongest economy I think
we'd ever seen. Do you think it's a coincidence that
during an election year, this virus suddenly appears from China
when Trump has the strongest, you know, economy ever, they
(05:47):
take it into the ground, And I do believe that
it also facilitated a lot of the voting and how
people were voting in that election, the mail in ballots
and things that the FBI frankly never went in and investigated.
And so being someone that worked as a special agent
for the FBI. As my book explains, there works with fis.
There was one that was politically motivated. I refer to
(06:07):
that as FBI two FBI one where the agents that
just wanted to begin their uphold the Constitution and protect Americans.
When you go to serve in the FBA and your
FBI one, your primary responsibility is you want to protect
Americans and uphold the Constitution. And from someone who observed
it from the inside, it's absolutely despicable. And to think
that this individual who now has diaries that have come
(06:30):
to light his arrogance, his narcissism, and his impior motives,
and to think if you got that preemptive pardon, it
may never find accountability after all the destruction he caused
in our nation. It's very upsetting, very troubling, and I
truly believe that he will face the consequence. You know what,
(06:52):
Mark he may not face one now, but I believe
that we will all face our maker one day. And again,
having worked in the FBI, you can't serve just as
on every single individual. You think that people are getting
away with something. I do believe that one day he
will face it, very very severe consequence for what he
costs for our nation and frankly for the whole world.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, let's hope. So, Hey, Nicole Parker, your FBI training,
you're trained in when you're questioning somebody, how to read
the face read them. When you saw him testifying, what
did you think was going through his mind?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Well, first of all, the fact that he had, you know,
almost half a dozen attorney's present That says a lot
heeded legal representation, even though he thinks that he's covered.
You know, I just actually before I joined you on air,
there's actually an article that came out on CNN of
all places, saying that invoking the fifths, he may not
be completely covered. There are a lot of different legal
theories coming out now. And I know that the state
(07:46):
of Florida, I believe that they're going to be looking
at him on a state level that it does not
necessarily that that part, it may not preclude him Boom
from being charged in other ways than.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
On other levels.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
But his demeanor I noticed initially when he read at
his opening statement. You know, it's nerve racking to testify
before Congress, but that wasn't his first time to do
that his hands were visibly shaking, that paper was literally
his hands were quivering. That's something that you're going to
look at very closely. That could be for a number
of reasons, but I think the fact that, in my opinion,
(08:20):
just looking at his body language, he wanted to appear
as if he was cool, calm, and collective. But I
think anxiety was absolutely nervous.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Wow, reason to be Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah,
it's the two hundred and fiftieth time he's been in
front of Congress, so you're right, he's been through it before.
He shouldn't have been so so nervous. What do you
I mean, we would like to see you justice happened here,
But what do you do about the fact that nobody's
covering it? I mean the mainstream You won't see it
(08:46):
on the nightly news. If you see it, they'll bury
it at the end, or you don't see it on
MSNBC or CNN. What about that?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
You know, that's the problem that again I even discussed
it in my book, how our media, regardless of where
you feel on the plus the political spectrum, media is biased.
They're only through news networks that are ever going to
touch or cover something like this. I do believe that
if x if Elon and Musk could own Twitter, which
(09:13):
is not the X platform during the time of COVID,
he would have never gotten away with any of this,
meaning doctor Gauci, because that is a free speech platform
for people that want to understand and know what's really
happening in the world. It's not always best to turn
on ABC, NBCC and an MSNBC, but frankly, there is
an open form of discussion on both sides of the
spectrum on some of these social media sites, and I
(09:36):
truly believe that I myself had been looking out and
checking what people are saying on both sides. I always
want to hear what representation is there, you know, there's
always that concern. I literally know people in this country
right now who did not even know about the Fauci diaries.
They knew nothing about it. They knew nothing about him
(09:56):
even testifying today. They didn't even know what was going
to be happening. So again my I said, I was
a little shocked to even see on CNN on an
Instagram post that they were acknowledging that doctor POUCHI might
have some problems.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Leading the FIST.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh okay, good, well, it's great stuff. Nicole Parker, thanks
for being here. Her book, yeah, which you want to
get her book, The two fbis the Bravery and Betrayal
I saw in my time at the Bureau. Great book.
And Nicole Parker, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
My pleasure.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Y'all have a great day, all right, take care. Hey,
we'll take some calls next eight hundred I almost give
out the number of my show here and here now
eight hundred nine one Sean eight hundred nine one seven
three at two six, it's Mark Simone here on the
Sean Hannity Show. Hey, welcome back. It's Mark Simone here
(10:46):
for Sean Hannity. Sean is in South Carolina the funeral
of Lindsey Graham. He'll be back tomorrow on the show
with us right now. The best legal analyst of all,
Greg Jarrett. You should get all of his excellent books.
And of course you'll see him all of our Fox News.
And it's great to happen with us, Greg Jared. How
you doing, Hey?
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Im fine, Mark, good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Hey. Anthony Fauci comes with six lawyers to the hearing.
How often do you see anybody showed with six lawyers.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Well, he probably needs about sixty lawyers, you know, because
Anthony Fauci has you know, been exposed by his own
words his diary. You know, it appears he tells his
diary the truth, but then spent years pedaling lies to
(11:39):
the public. And look, Senator rand Paul was obviously frustrated today.
He threatened both contempt and obstruction of Congress after Fauci
invoked the Fifth But you know, legally it would be difficult,
it would be a challenge for Senator Paul since claiming
(12:03):
the Fifth Amendment is not by itself a crime. In fact,
it's a constitutional right that for two hundred some odd
years has very broad protection, and it supersedes the power
of the kind of criminal statutes that Paul was referring to.
(12:25):
You know, Fauci's preemptive pardon, understand, covers any past crimes
that occurred before the pardon, not crimes afterward like now.
So Frauci was in legal jeopardy today if he failed
to tell the truth. Many need to be charged with
new crimes if he lied. And that's why his lawyer,
(12:49):
his sixth lawyers told him to clam up. Now, you know,
having said that Senator Paul does have a valid point
that Biden's pardon means that Fauci is not subject to
federal criminal prosecutions, and therefore it was invalid or inappropriate
(13:15):
for him to invoke the fifth But that ignores the
fact that Fauci can still be criminally charged by various states,
And in fact, within a couple of hours of h
test Fine, the Attorney General in the state of Florida
said we're conducting an investigation of Fuci and implied that
(13:37):
he'd bring charges against him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So if he did commit something that would be chargeable,
and during the pandemic in his job, what jurisdiction does
Florida have over that since his job is in Washington.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Well, because it affected the citizens of Florida. You know,
he was issuing orders or he was certainly trying to
persuade public officials in all fifty states to take certain
actions like closing business doors and closing schools, and you know,
(14:14):
distancing requirements, and you know, limiting get togethers and going
outdoors and even going to the park. And you know,
I wrote at the time several columns saying this is
a historically egregious violation of civil liberties. Fauci and the government,
(14:35):
government and governors in various states have no right to
do this. And I also happened to point out it
doesn't seem to be based on science, and we now
know it wasn't. I interviewed Fauci at the outset of
the pandemic, and I remember afterwards turning to my producer
and saying, is it your sense that that guy doesn't
(14:57):
know what the hell he's talking about. He he's all
over the place, and he was, you know, one week
he said, oh, mask won't an he could. The next
week is you got to wear a mask. The week
after that you got to wear two masks. And you know,
I'll tell you this much. The Fauci Diary, which was
(15:20):
dug up by the Department of Homeland Security I think
it was, or the DOJ, makes for pretty interesting reading.
Fauci comes across as a narcissistic, vainglorious person marinating in
his own fame, delights in the adoration, writing down every
(15:44):
word of praise. He brags about his TV appearances, both
of these the most recognizable man in the world, essentially Mark.
You know, Fauci fell in love with himself and at
the same time seemed utterly unbothered about the rising death toll,
tens of thousands, then millions who were dying. But you know,
(16:07):
the diary also contradicts his sworn testimony where he told
Congress the desks were much higher than they really were,
that genda hysteria. He writes that the infections were not
connected to a Wuhan marketplace, but privately, you know, he
(16:28):
is conceding it came from a Chinese lab that he
helped fund, you know, So you know, the diary itself
incriminates him.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We're talking with Greg Jared. So if a state goes
after him like this Florida Attorney General, do they have
to go after him in Washington, d c. Where he
did whatever he did, or can they bring him to
Florida and try him there with a more favorable jury.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
You can try him in all fifty states if you want,
you know, because this was a nationwide pandemic and his
actions affected people in all fifty states. So now I
don't know on what grounds Florida or you know, let's say,
(17:18):
you know, Missouri or South Carolina decide to investigate Fauci
and you know, bring charges. I just don't know, but
you know, I know that he was if I were
his lawyer today, and I would never represent it, but
(17:39):
I would have said, yeah, you better invoke the fifth
because if you make new eyes today, Biden's pardon doesn't
cover it. And if you say things today and you
know state agees are listening, that might instigate an investigation
and prosecution against you, so you better clam up. And
(18:00):
that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So but from that we can assume there was he
couldn't tell the truth because the truth would have sunk him.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Right, yeah, I mean he's sort of in a knowing situation,
as I say, you know, his own words and his
diary incriminate him. You know, Fauci insists publicly that COVID
had a natural origin. He still says, so yeah, but
(18:29):
wait a minute. In his diary he says, the deadly
virus is man made in the very Wuhan labby funded
with US taxpayer dollars. So you know, you can't reconcile
those two. One of them is a lie. And my
bet is he's telling dear diary the truth because people
tend to do that, but he was lying to the
(18:52):
American people and the amount of damage that this guy
did is really unfathomable in American history, more than anybody
I can ever think of. If he had a hand
in the creation of this deadly Frankenstein virus, and there's
(19:13):
evidence that he did that, his department at NIH funded it.
You know, does he have blood on his hands?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
One hundred and fifty five? You know a million people
world wide loss their lives, more than a million Americans.
Is he partially to blame? I mean, you know, this
whole gain of function research in which you take deadly
viruses and you supersize them and make them more transmissible
(19:43):
to humans, That's insanity. There is no way that you
can justify doing that. Because anybody with an ounce of
common sense and pinhead scientists tend to be devoid of that,
would say themselves, oh what if it gets loose? And
this Wuhan lab in particular had an abysmal safety record.
(20:08):
I mean, that's the last lab in the world that
US taxpayer money should ever go to, and yet Fauci
apparently saw to it that money went to the Wuhan
lab that created the virus that killed millions.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, hey, Greg, they were investigator to see if Fauchi's
parton was done with that autopen. I don't know how
forensically you'd proved it was the autopen. But if it
was the Autopen, you think that pardon could ever be
out removed.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
It's clearly the autopen because it doesn't match Biden's handwritten signatures.
Apparently the only handwritten signature was the parton he gave
to his own son, Hunter Piden. So this was the autopen.
I don't think that's disputable. Here's what I would do
(21:00):
if I were at the DOJ. I would bring criminal
charges as outlined by Senator Paul against Fauci for Lyne
repeatedly to Congress about funding the Wuhan Lab and other
things as well. Fauci would then invoke his pardon, and
then a judge would have to decide what to do.
(21:23):
Is it a valid pardon that puts into play the
autopen pardon? And there would have to be proof that
Biden knew and consented in order for that Fauci pardon
to be valid, because if it was done behind Biden's back,
as I think a great many of the pardons and
(21:45):
commutations were done without his knowledge and consent his inner
circle of just handing out pardons like slices of pizza
signed by the autopen. You know, then it's null and void.
You know, there has to be knowledge and consent. Well,
what if you got a president whose mind has turned
(22:08):
apple sauce and he doesn't have the capacity to have
knowledge and consent. That's another wrinkle in all of this. So,
you know, if I were at the DOJ, if I
were the attorney General, I'd bring charges against Fauci, let
him invoke the pardon, and let's go to court and
decide whether these were valid pardons. And by the way, Mark,
(22:32):
nobody's ever challenged preemptive pardons. Historically, pardons were for crimes
that had been charged. A preemptive pardon is for crimes
uncharged and still imagined. Well, is that a valid pardon?
We don't have the answer to that in a court
(22:54):
of law. Maybe we need one.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Wow, interesting stuff, fascinating stuff. Well, Greg, Jared, glad we were
able to get you on because nobody better when it
comes to legal analysis. Get Greg Jarrett's books, The Constitution
and Other Patriotic Documents Trial of the Century. They're wonderful books.
Amazon or where we get your books. And Greg Jarrett,
thanks for being with us.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
Hey, Mark, thanks so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
All right, take care. That's interesting, so we'll see. We'll see.
Christy will just prop up Joe Biden and have him
read a statement that he was his pardon he signed it,
and I don't know, Well, what do you think. We'll
take some calls in a minute. One eight hundred nine
for one, Sean is the number. One eight hundred nine
for one Sean. It's Mark Simone here on the Sean
(23:38):
Hannity Show.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Hannity, you watch keeping an eye on Chuck and Nancy
and their minions. Sean Hannity, Hey, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's Mark Simone here for Sean Andnity. Shawn's in South
Carolina for the funeral of Lindsey Graham and he'll be
back tomorrow. We'll take a look at the great service
at the National Cathedral coming up later in the next hour.
Let's take some calls. Let's go to Jill in California. Jill,
how you doing?
Speaker 9 (24:40):
Mark doing great? Thanks for taking my call. I actually
had a question for mister Jarrett, but he's no longer
on air, so maybe some lawyers listening to you could
answer this question. I mean, during the COVID years, so
many small business owners went out of business. Can they
now take Fauci to civil court?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Well?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Absolutely, yeah. Anybody can sue anybody. Businesses can certainly sue.
Fauci had been tough before, but now you got the
diaries where he makes it clear that he ordered these lockdowns,
He ordered things shut. There's a lot of you read
through the diaries. He called the New York City mayor
Deblasio asked him to close the schools. Parents could sue. Yeah,
(25:24):
everybody could say. I don't know if he'd be successful,
but that'd be great to see that little worm spend
the rest of his life going to court every day
and he's got those six attorneys. Let him do something,
give him something to do. Thanks for calling, Jill. Let's
go to Tamara in Missouri. Tamara, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Good? What'd you want to say?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I have a question. If Biden was not competent to
run for reelection, couldn't it be an argument that he
was not competent to make any pardons?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Very good point. However, he does have democratic immunity, which
is something very serious. Now it's a very good point. Yeah,
you could argue that, but it was Greg Jarrett was saying,
you'd have to charge Fauci and then let him try
to use his pardon. That way, a judge would have
to rule on the pardon and they could bring up,
you know, the fact that it was an auto pen
(26:19):
and what you've just said that if he wasn't competent
to run for reelection, if his own party determined he
wasn't confident, how could he be confident to hand out pardon?
So very very good point. Hey, we get a lot
to get to in the next hour. We'll take some
more calls. One eight hundred nine one Sewan is the number,
one eight hundred nine four one Sean. It's Mark Simone
(26:42):
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