February 4, 2026 • 28 mins
Hour two focuses on what Sean Hannity calls the media’s selective outrage, contrasting nonstop coverage of politically convenient stories with silence surrounding rampant violent crime in major U.S. cities. Sean is joined by Bill O’Reilly, who analyzes how Democrats rely on emotional narratives instead of measurable policy success heading into the midterms. Together, they examine crime statistics from Chicago, New York, and California, and why law-abiding Americans are paying the price for failed leadership. The hour underscores a growing disconnect between political messaging and everyday reality for voters.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right, Leonards hindered all things simple man, that means
whole things. Bill O'Reilly, all things O'reillybilloreilly dot com. Mister O'Reilly, sir.
Now you can tell everybody what I texted you and
told you over the phone when you aren't feeling well.
I said you better not blanking die on me. Did
I not say that?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You did say that, Hannity, and that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I needed and by the way, that made all the difference,
and you got.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well right almost instantly. It was like going to Lord's.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I don't know if it's quite that all right, So
I know you have a heart. I know you care
about people. I know you've been following the issue of
Savannah Guthrie and her eighty four year old mother. I
don't like what I'm reading. I don't like the idea
of blood. I don't like the idea what the police
are saying, that this is likely an abduction and we're
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going to find out what happened eventually. I really I
pray for her. I pray for a family, I pray
for a mom, all of that, and I think you
agree with me, right sure.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, elderly people in America are next to infants,
our most vulnerable population. You know, these things like this
are stunning, but it's hard to analyze it without any
hard data. Looks to me and you as a crime.
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But we just have to be and that's not easy
for most Americans.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's not, nor it should it be. I mean, this
is tragic, especially because she has health issues, and that's
concerning to everybody. Here's the only thing that frustrates me
in all this bill. Do you have any idea in
the month of January how many people were shot and
shot and killed in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I did not do the data yet, but I'm sure
it's more than a thousand, right, No, it's.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
About one hundred and thirty, about almost thirty dead. And
that's the month of January of this year. And by
the way, New York's not doing much better, and California
is not doing much better. You know, Illinois is the
worst of the worst. And the thing is is there's
not one person listening to this program that can name
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one person that was shot or one person shot and killed. Now,
I've been scrolling the people that have been arrested by Ice.
The worst of the worst, murderers, rapist Kyle Molesters, drug dealers,
known terrorists. I mean, they have done a phenomenal job.
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And there are two instances in controversy. I don't really
think the Renee Good case is controversial because she accelerated
the vehicle towards the law enforcement officer and he had
internal bleeding. Put that one aside. And I'm looking at
this and then I look. I hear the demonization, Nazi,
Gestapo defund Democrats now are dying on that hill. And
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it's not that we should not give attention to Savannah
Guthrie's mom. I want all the attention we can give
this mother. And I hope and pray shee he is
found healthy and okay. But you know, why is it
all of these people die and you never hear a
word from Democrats. Why is it all of these hardened
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criminals that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris allowed into this country
are arrested and Ice doesn't get credit. You know, Explain
to me how it is that Democrats only only speak
out about their love of life when they can weaponize
it and politicize it. That is the part that frustrates
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the living hell out of me. And maybe I need help,
Maybe maybe I need Bill O'Reilly's perspective on this to
help set me straight as to why, Well, you certainly.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Do need my help, and that's why I'm here every Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's scary, but if I need your help, I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's a bigger picture. So when you have a party
the Democrats that are invested in selling a narrative to
the American people in order to get votes to win
the midterms, because that's what this is all about, they
don't really care about the collateral damage. But this is
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a point and most vivid point I could make on
that an of the radio program today in Minnesota of
two people dead, but you don't have anybody dead in
New Orleans, and you don't have anybody dead in Memphis,
and you don't have anybody dead in DC because the
local law enforcement cooperated with the federal government and Ice
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and Border Patrol agents. So the two that were killed
in Minneapolis, I put most of the blame on by
the mayor and Walls, the governor. All they had to
do was say to local law enforcement, state and the
Minneapolis cops, you provide a parameter around the federal agents
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and don't let protesters get in their face. That is
called public safety. That is what would happen in any
kind of rational police strategy, and it's happening now in
the cities that are not sanctuary cities. But if you
abdicate there is no help coming from the state or
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the local cops, then people who are agitated can go
two feet away from a federal agent and cause trouble.
That's insane, and that's what led to the deaths of
these two people.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's really chilling to me that we're in this environment
where Democrats, now, this is their posture, defund dismantle, no bail,
reimagine the police, defund ice and eliminate ice. They voted
against the largest tax cut in American history, and by
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doing so, voted for the largest tax increase in a
miner history. They are beholden to the climate alarmist cult.
As Kamala famously said, it's the cost of democracy to
pay higher gas prices. I think that should work against them.
And on foreign policy, there's nothing that Donald Trump does
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that they appreciate or agree with. They just want to
disagree with them for the sake of disagreeing. And to me,
if that's the position they're staking out heading into this
very important midterm election year. I think it's a very
bad position for them to be in. Do you agree
or disagree?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I disagree a little bit.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's not allowed on the show. Goodbye Bill nice knowing you.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's right. The Democratic Party is running on emotion. They're
not running on problem solving, practical success or any kind
of objectivity about what works and what does a work.
It is one hundred percent emotion. Now, all any voter
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would have to do would be look at the record
of California Newsom and Illinois Pritzker and New York Hochel,
and you see the catastrophic policies that have led to
failure in those three states. There is no debate about it.
There's no two sides of the story. The stats, and
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you brought them up earlier, on crime are horrifying. The
stats on taxes are horrifying, Social order terrible. But what
the Democratic Party does because they have, for the first
time in history, by the way, this colossus media enabling
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the party. They're together, it's an alliance. They can get
out a tremendous amount of emotional stuff to try to
convince viewers and listeners and voters who are not rare
verised on what's really happening to vote for them. That
is the strategy in November. Demon eyed, demon eyed, demon eyes,
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And it could work.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It definitely could work. I mean, and I think people
that love Donald Trump, you know, many of them will
only vote if he's on the ballot. And I think
the best strategy for him is to put himself on
the ballot. And I think people need to be very
keenly aware that all the progress he has made the
last year plus will stop and we will be in
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full investigative mode and full impeachment mode, because that is
the predictable outcome if Democrats get back control of either
or both the House and Senate.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, the avision thing is is canarid because that'll never
happen any two thirds to convict. And if they want
to do another dog and pony show, I don't think
that's going to be well received by the American people
in general. The independent voter always tells a tale now
in this country, but there are a lot of distractive
independents that you really don't know what's going on. So
Trump has a few advantages coming up, but it has
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to do with messaging. So when he has a success
you've got to message it. Messenger it in the most
vivid way possible. So tax thie funds. That's going to
help Donald Trump because people are going to get a
bigger check, and the Democrats voted against the bigger check.
That's pretty simple. Gas prices can continue to fall, and
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everybody needs gasoline in their car. The utility thing is
kind of murky, but just filling it up that's a
big Trump advantage. Food. I always say to my audience,
if you're smart, you're not going to get crushed. If
you got to buy Porter House steak, you're going to
get slammed up to you. But you can go.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You could always buy skirt steak. Bill, I love skirt steak.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Whatever it may be, you go, you select, you won't
it crushed. If you buy smart, you can take an
advantage of on leveled. Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
By the way, I like ground beef. By the way,
you know, chicken sometimes can be at a really good price.
I mean I go grocery shopping every week. I bet
you have people that do that for you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Right a minute, Hattie, I need a picture of you
and Wind Dixie with the cart.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, I don't go to Wind Dixie.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I go to publics, publics, whatever it may be. We
need the picture of you with the car.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, why is this that people doubt this? Every single
week when I go shopping, somebody will stop me and
say what are you doing here? And I'm like buying food?
What do you think I'm doing here? Well? Why is
that a shock to people that I go grocery shopping?
I eat meat and I eat eggs, and I like
to pick my own meat. Why is that shocking to people?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Listen? It is how is in a grocery store in
Palm Beach, he how you live? And a lady comes
up to me and I'm on the checkout line. She goes,
you lost a lot of weights, and I said, no,
a camera gives you ten pounds on TV. This is
my playing weight is about one ninety five. And she goes, well,
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I don't like the way your jacket is tailored.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh my gosh. No, I get the same question what
are you doing here? And I look at people like that,
That to me is the strangest question, because we all
like to eat and I like to pick my own food.
Do you go shopping every week or do you have
people for that?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I have I have some people, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, no spins, mister O'Reilly.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I go once. I go occasionally to get because I
have certain things that I like. But I'm busy. You're busy.
I mean people are good, right, we're feeding there?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, occasionally I use instacart. Do you ever use instacart?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What is that? Some kind of high jeck?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Good grief? You don't know what instacart is? Do you
know what uber eats is?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And there are you listening to this? I mean, what
century do you live in? For crying out loud? Good?
I like Bill be nice to him. I am being
nice to him, but I mean he was born like
ten centuries before us if he doesn't know what instacart?
And Bill don't want to talk to you like that.
By the way, what are you gonna eat for the
super Bowl? And who are you predicting is gonna win
the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
All right, we're out of the grocery in super Bowl
number one. I'm gonna be there number two.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I know what. Everybody hates you for saying that. Just
for the record, I've been to super bowls before. You
know where the worst place to watch the Super Bowl
is at the super.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Bowl, but I may be a chaperoning bad Bunny.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
All right, did you hear bad Bunny at the Grammys
for a week before I get praise to God, Let
me first say ice out. Oh okay, great, great, great choice.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But here's an interesting aside. And I know this to
be true. The NFL has told his management no better
or not, so.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
They can say it all they want, but at the
end of the day, it's gonna be what it's gonna be.
I'm now you know what. By the way, who do
you want to win? I want the Patriots to win
because I like Robert Kraft personally. He's one of the
most decent people you would ever meet in your life.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Love him, very charitable man. I'm in Boston's my second home,
so of course I want the Patriots to win. Here's
the problem. Seattle is a better team.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The Addle on paper is a better team. Concede the point.
But that's why you play the game. I mean, I
put you on every week. I have no idea what
I'm in for, but I put you on anyway. I
play the game.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's because it's fun and he's got very players.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
All right, mister O'Reilly We appreciate you all things simple man.
Bill O'Reilly at Bill Oreilly dot com. Sir, you have
a great time at the super Bowl. Will check in
with you next week see how it went.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Eight hundred and nine point one, Shawn our number if
you want to be a part of the program. It
is heartbreaking the story of Savannah Guthrie's mother, eighty four
years old. He's not in the best of health. What
we're hearing from law enforcement does not warm the heart.
It scares me. The fact that she was abducted against
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her will out of her home in the dark of night,
blood found at the scene. And now Harvey Levin at TMZ.
I've known Harvey a long time. Harvey is a great guy.
He's really someone you can trust and he would never
report something unless it's it is true. I just know
how he rolls, and this is what he said that
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TMZ received this well unverified ransom note. Also, a local
station in Los Angeles received a similar note. As a
matter of fact, the exact same note.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
We got something in our email that looks like a
It's written like a ransom note for Savannah Guthrie's mother.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Specific rly and there were very certain amounts of money.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Very specifically, and also they say at the bottom there
are certain things they're saying about what she was wearing
and damage to the house, as.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
If saying to verify it's us, we know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It so we are. We've contacted the Sheriff's department and
we want to get them this letter. And we had
a little trouble getting through to the right person. But
the person we spoke with is now forwarding this to
somebody in the detective bureau. So if my phone rings,
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I may have to stop.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And what's interesting is, you know, there was just a
news conference that just ended with the sheriff and he
was asked about we're going to do this segment of
a few minutes, but he was asked about a ransom
note and he just said, we're following all leads.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, and this is it's again, we don't know, we
don't know if it's authentic or not. But when you
read it, they're acting as if, yeah, only we would
know these things, and we're serious, and there's a dollar
demand and an or else in there. So we will
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let you know as this thing kind of develops.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Now, if you think about it, if this was just
a simple robbery, or if they wanted to bring harm
to Savannah Guthrie's mom, why would this not have happened
on the location. It has all the ear markings of
some type of real ransom. It's chilling, it's frightening. It's
what every American would fear. And obviously our thoughts and
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prayers are with the family I've met, say Savannah Guthrie,
She's a lovely person, and I can't say that about
everybody in the legacy media that I've met in my life.
Trust me. Anyway, we welcome back to the program. He's
a longtime friend, I think, the smartest person in terms
of analysis of crime in the country, and I'm proud
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to call her a friend. And it's Nancy Grace's with
us last night. You were so good on TV and
so knowledgeable. I mean, you really seem to know every
detail of this. Tell me what your gut is telling
you where we are today?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Number one, thank you for inviting me, Sean. And likewise,
first of all, I know Savannah. I care about Savannah,
and what you said is true. She's not just sweet
and nice and genteel On air. She's that way in person,
unlike a lot of people on the TV fake fake,
fake fake, She's not.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We know those same people.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Therefore, I'm telling you that up front because I want
to believe what I'm about to say, and that can
cloud your judgment. I want to believe that Nancy Guffery,
Savannah's mother, is alive. I don't want Savannah to put
put be put through the pain that so many of
the crime victims endure. So I'm looking at the facts
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in a certain way, and that is this. When I
first heard that there was DNA and it had been
matched to Nancy Guffrie, I immediately thought that it was
blood because as an easily identifiable DNA source, you're not
going to just suddenly see perspiration or you know, some
other DNA matter. So I knew it was blood. They
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would only see if it find it interesting if it
was a copious amount of blood, which would mean she's dead.
You can only lose so much blood and you die,
you bleed out. That was my first fear when I
realized the DNA was blood. Then I thought, wait a minute,
is the d is the blood in an unusual spot
like streaks of it on the door or upon the ceiling,
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which is you know, throwback from a bludgeoning. Yeah, I thought,
oh no, it's high velocity. It's high velocity, which means
a gunshot. It's none of those things. From the blood
that we have seen in the photos, which is a
blood trail of sorts, not very long. It's leading from
her door to the driveway, and it appears to be
and this is very significant if this is all the
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blood there is, it appears to be low velocity drops,
which to me looks like from for instance, a nose bleed.
I see other blood around it which looks like it
could have been aspirated. In other words, how can I
say this in common terms, breathe out. So that's the
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pattern that I see in a lot of worlds that
may not be good. In this scenario that is good.
There's not a copious amount of blood, so that means
to me, she could still be alive. We haven't found
her body, that's the headline. Kada or dogs haven't found
any thing that is. That's a bombshell right there. We
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have no indication she's dead. Statistically, yes, she might be dead.
Statistically yes she's dead, But there are encouraging signs as well,
and I'm reading the tea leaves because I want to
read them this way. However, she is an elderly lady.
She's eighty four, and she is on a lot of meds.
You know, she's got a pacemaker. That tells me she
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has heart issues as well. She can only be offered
meds so long, this is what we're learning. We're learning
that that ransom note may have been sent to a
third outlet. We know TMZ, we know, we know Cold
Kold now possibly to k g u N K GUNN.
What does that mean? That means it's an orchestrated event.
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They want a huge amount of money, millions in bitcoin. Now,
who would do that? That's telling me a lot about
an alleged purp that they would want the money in bitcoin. Now,
a lot has been made about her of interest at
this juncture. The share has come out and said there
are no suspects, there is no POI. I want to
believe them, but they always say that when they've got
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a POI. Right, Why because once your name to the suspect,
constitutional protections shroud you. Until your name to the suspect,
you know you don't have those constitutional protections. But at
this juncture there is no suspect and there is no
POI another thing I'm wondering about then, the ransom letters.
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They apparently have written what Nancy Duffery was wearing at
the time of her abduction. Was it a PJS? She
woked to that church event that's Saturday night. I'm curious
to find out if she's still wearing her clothing she
wore to the event, Sean, that tells me that she
had not been home for long. She has a routine,
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she gets him bed at a certain time. She would
have already put on a PJS. If she's wearing her
street clothes, that means she was abducted almost immediately upon
getting home, which means the part was watching her and
knew her routine. If she has on her PAGs, then
the ransom note will reveal that. And if that's accurate,
then the ransom note is for real.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And it's all scary to me. You know, I want
people to know where your passion comes from, and I
don't want to bring back bad memories in your life.
But you were engaged and something tragic happened in your
life and it resulted. I mean it changed your life
on a dime. And this happens to victims of crime
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all the time. I just want you to remind people
of what you live through so people understand exactly where
this passion of yours has come from.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Well, Sean, for you, I will do that. I typically
did not like it, ill you.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Don't have to. I mean, I care too much about
you as a friend.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Just gave I'm in the car actually all the way
back from giving a Founder's Day speech at one of
my alma mas, Mercer University in Macon. I graduated from
there in Ny. You and I was in the middle
of my speech and I had to give this story
and about to tell and I've already broken down in tears.
So you know I'm already a big batms.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I cared too much about you as a person. I'll
solve for you. I mean you were engaged.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yes, how was that?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So the love of your life?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
A little college and I fell in love with a
baseball player, Keith on baseball scholarship. He transferred to complete
his geology degree, and that's what I transferred to Mercer.
Shortly before our wedding, Keith was murdered. He was shot
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five times into faith the neck and the back. And
I knew nothing about the justice system. I had never
been in a courtroom. I never had any quote brushed
with the law, nor my family. The first time I
was ever in a courtroom was when I was a
witness in his prosecution. And I'll never forget it, Sean,
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as long as I live. I now know why I
was a witness. I didn't see what happened. I wasn't
there when he was murdered, but I believe I was
brought on to humanized Keith, since victims have no rights
in a courtroom, to make him come alive for that journey.
And I remember coming down off the witness stand, and
it was high up by the judge in one of
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those elevated benches, and you'd take two steps and then
a little square, and then you'd turn the other way
and come down the rest of the steps and a
lot by council table. And I looked down and I
saw Keith's bloody shirt and I had not seen that.
I'd never seen anything like that. I grew up in
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a very rural, sheltered childhood, and I'll never forget it.
And I kept walking and I passed the defendant's table, Sean,
and I looked at the defendant and he looked me
in the face of me looked down in his life.
He couldn't look at me in the face. And I
looked on either side and all the lawyers sitting around him,
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and they looked at me, and then they looked down too,
they at their table. They wouldn't look at me. And
I just kept going. And I remember it's so quiet,
and I could hear my boots as I walked out
of that place. And that was my first exposure to
the criminal justice system. Everything was a blur. I hardly
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remember a lot of it, and I've actually lost chunks
of memory. Before and after Keith Murder. I was in
school to be an English Shakespeare with Professor, and I
dropped out of school and thankfully Mercer University let me
come back in later, no questions asked. But I wife
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and mother and Professor was not meant to be. I
went back to law school to become a fellony prosecutor
of violent crimes to help other victims. But the story
didn't end there. That crime affected the rest of my life.
It took me so long to get it together to
ever attempt to remarry. That I didn't get pregnant until
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I was forty seven, sharps and I and my daughter,
my little Lucy, almost died in childbirth. Sounds so old
by the time I finally got pregnant. So it affected
my life for the rest of my life. So I
come to this spot in this car on this song call,
and it's very personal to me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, it's one of the reasons I love you
so much. And you know it's out of this horrible
tragedy as a young woman. And by the way, it
was nineteen years to even till you even considered getting
married because it was so traumatizing and devastating. And here's
you know, there is at the other side of this.
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You have done so much good in your life because
of what you live through and help so many others
as a result of all of this. I mean, it
just is I sit here in awe of the person
that you are, and it's so sad what shaped you
into the person that you are and the tragedy that
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brought this out, and yet you have this infectious passion.
You're the premier expert now in the country on cases
like this. Stay right there. I don't want to push
you anymore on this. I didn't even want to ask
it if I knew. I know how emotional it is,
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and I know you as a person. We'll have more
with Nancy Grace on the other side. Eight hundred and
nine to FOURT one Shawn number will continue
All right, Leonards hindered all things simple man, that means
whole things. Bill O'Reilly, all things O'reillybilloreilly dot com. Mister O'Reilly, sir.
Now you can tell everybody what I texted you and
told you over the phone when you aren't feeling well.
I said you better not blanking die on me. Did
I not say that?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You did say that, Hannity, and that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I needed and by the way, that made all the difference,
and you got.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well right almost instantly. It was like going to Lord's.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I don't know if it's quite that all right, So
I know you have a heart. I know you care
about people. I know you've been following the issue of
Savannah Guthrie and her eighty four year old mother. I
don't like what I'm reading. I don't like the idea
of blood. I don't like the idea what the police
are saying, that this is likely an abduction and we're
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going to find out what happened eventually. I really I
pray for her. I pray for a family, I pray
for a mom, all of that, and I think you
agree with me, right sure.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, elderly people in America are next to infants,
our most vulnerable population. You know, these things like this
are stunning, but it's hard to analyze it without any
hard data. Looks to me and you as a crime.
(01:57):
But we just have to be and that's not easy
for most Americans.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's not, nor it should it be. I mean, this
is tragic, especially because she has health issues, and that's
concerning to everybody. Here's the only thing that frustrates me
in all this bill. Do you have any idea in
the month of January how many people were shot and
shot and killed in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I did not do the data yet, but I'm sure
it's more than a thousand, right, No, it's.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
About one hundred and thirty, about almost thirty dead. And
that's the month of January of this year. And by
the way, New York's not doing much better, and California
is not doing much better. You know, Illinois is the
worst of the worst. And the thing is is there's
not one person listening to this program that can name
(02:51):
one person that was shot or one person shot and killed. Now,
I've been scrolling the people that have been arrested by Ice.
The worst of the worst, murderers, rapist Kyle Molesters, drug dealers,
known terrorists. I mean, they have done a phenomenal job.
(03:12):
And there are two instances in controversy. I don't really
think the Renee Good case is controversial because she accelerated
the vehicle towards the law enforcement officer and he had
internal bleeding. Put that one aside. And I'm looking at
this and then I look. I hear the demonization, Nazi,
Gestapo defund Democrats now are dying on that hill. And
(03:38):
it's not that we should not give attention to Savannah
Guthrie's mom. I want all the attention we can give
this mother. And I hope and pray shee he is
found healthy and okay. But you know, why is it
all of these people die and you never hear a
word from Democrats. Why is it all of these hardened
(04:00):
criminals that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris allowed into this country
are arrested and Ice doesn't get credit. You know, Explain
to me how it is that Democrats only only speak
out about their love of life when they can weaponize
it and politicize it. That is the part that frustrates
(04:21):
the living hell out of me. And maybe I need help,
Maybe maybe I need Bill O'Reilly's perspective on this to
help set me straight as to why, Well, you certainly.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Do need my help, and that's why I'm here every Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's scary, but if I need your help, I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's a bigger picture. So when you have a party
the Democrats that are invested in selling a narrative to
the American people in order to get votes to win
the midterms, because that's what this is all about, they
don't really care about the collateral damage. But this is
(04:59):
a point and most vivid point I could make on
that an of the radio program today in Minnesota of
two people dead, but you don't have anybody dead in
New Orleans, and you don't have anybody dead in Memphis,
and you don't have anybody dead in DC because the
local law enforcement cooperated with the federal government and Ice
(05:23):
and Border Patrol agents. So the two that were killed
in Minneapolis, I put most of the blame on by
the mayor and Walls, the governor. All they had to
do was say to local law enforcement, state and the
Minneapolis cops, you provide a parameter around the federal agents
(05:50):
and don't let protesters get in their face. That is
called public safety. That is what would happen in any
kind of rational police strategy, and it's happening now in
the cities that are not sanctuary cities. But if you
abdicate there is no help coming from the state or
(06:18):
the local cops, then people who are agitated can go
two feet away from a federal agent and cause trouble.
That's insane, and that's what led to the deaths of
these two people.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's really chilling to me that we're in this environment
where Democrats, now, this is their posture, defund dismantle, no bail,
reimagine the police, defund ice and eliminate ice. They voted
against the largest tax cut in American history, and by
(06:57):
doing so, voted for the largest tax increase in a
miner history. They are beholden to the climate alarmist cult.
As Kamala famously said, it's the cost of democracy to
pay higher gas prices. I think that should work against them.
And on foreign policy, there's nothing that Donald Trump does
(07:20):
that they appreciate or agree with. They just want to
disagree with them for the sake of disagreeing. And to me,
if that's the position they're staking out heading into this
very important midterm election year. I think it's a very
bad position for them to be in. Do you agree
or disagree?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I disagree a little bit.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's not allowed on the show. Goodbye Bill nice knowing you.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's right. The Democratic Party is running on emotion. They're
not running on problem solving, practical success or any kind
of objectivity about what works and what does a work.
It is one hundred percent emotion. Now, all any voter
(08:07):
would have to do would be look at the record
of California Newsom and Illinois Pritzker and New York Hochel,
and you see the catastrophic policies that have led to
failure in those three states. There is no debate about it.
There's no two sides of the story. The stats, and
(08:28):
you brought them up earlier, on crime are horrifying. The
stats on taxes are horrifying, Social order terrible. But what
the Democratic Party does because they have, for the first
time in history, by the way, this colossus media enabling
(08:51):
the party. They're together, it's an alliance. They can get
out a tremendous amount of emotional stuff to try to
convince viewers and listeners and voters who are not rare
verised on what's really happening to vote for them. That
is the strategy in November. Demon eyed, demon eyed, demon eyes,
(09:14):
And it could work.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It definitely could work. I mean, and I think people
that love Donald Trump, you know, many of them will
only vote if he's on the ballot. And I think
the best strategy for him is to put himself on
the ballot. And I think people need to be very
keenly aware that all the progress he has made the
last year plus will stop and we will be in
(09:39):
full investigative mode and full impeachment mode, because that is
the predictable outcome if Democrats get back control of either
or both the House and Senate.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, the avision thing is is canarid because that'll never
happen any two thirds to convict. And if they want
to do another dog and pony show, I don't think
that's going to be well received by the American people
in general. The independent voter always tells a tale now
in this country, but there are a lot of distractive
independents that you really don't know what's going on. So
Trump has a few advantages coming up, but it has
(10:13):
to do with messaging. So when he has a success
you've got to message it. Messenger it in the most
vivid way possible. So tax thie funds. That's going to
help Donald Trump because people are going to get a
bigger check, and the Democrats voted against the bigger check.
That's pretty simple. Gas prices can continue to fall, and
(10:36):
everybody needs gasoline in their car. The utility thing is
kind of murky, but just filling it up that's a
big Trump advantage. Food. I always say to my audience,
if you're smart, you're not going to get crushed. If
you got to buy Porter House steak, you're going to
get slammed up to you. But you can go.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You could always buy skirt steak. Bill, I love skirt steak.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Whatever it may be, you go, you select, you won't
it crushed. If you buy smart, you can take an
advantage of on leveled. Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
By the way, I like ground beef. By the way,
you know, chicken sometimes can be at a really good price.
I mean I go grocery shopping every week. I bet
you have people that do that for you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Right a minute, Hattie, I need a picture of you
and Wind Dixie with the cart.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, I don't go to Wind Dixie.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I go to publics, publics, whatever it may be. We
need the picture of you with the car.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, why is this that people doubt this? Every single
week when I go shopping, somebody will stop me and
say what are you doing here? And I'm like buying food?
What do you think I'm doing here? Well? Why is
that a shock to people that I go grocery shopping?
I eat meat and I eat eggs, and I like
to pick my own meat. Why is that shocking to people?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Listen? It is how is in a grocery store in
Palm Beach, he how you live? And a lady comes
up to me and I'm on the checkout line. She goes,
you lost a lot of weights, and I said, no,
a camera gives you ten pounds on TV. This is
my playing weight is about one ninety five. And she goes, well,
(12:19):
I don't like the way your jacket is tailored.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh my gosh. No, I get the same question what
are you doing here? And I look at people like that,
That to me is the strangest question, because we all
like to eat and I like to pick my own food.
Do you go shopping every week or do you have
people for that?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I have I have some people, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, no spins, mister O'Reilly.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I go once. I go occasionally to get because I
have certain things that I like. But I'm busy. You're busy.
I mean people are good, right, we're feeding there?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, occasionally I use instacart. Do you ever use instacart?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What is that? Some kind of high jeck?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Good grief? You don't know what instacart is? Do you
know what uber eats is?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And there are you listening to this? I mean, what
century do you live in? For crying out loud? Good?
I like Bill be nice to him. I am being
nice to him, but I mean he was born like
ten centuries before us if he doesn't know what instacart?
And Bill don't want to talk to you like that.
By the way, what are you gonna eat for the
super Bowl? And who are you predicting is gonna win
the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
All right, we're out of the grocery in super Bowl
number one. I'm gonna be there number two.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I know what. Everybody hates you for saying that. Just
for the record, I've been to super bowls before. You
know where the worst place to watch the Super Bowl
is at the super.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Bowl, but I may be a chaperoning bad Bunny.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
All right, did you hear bad Bunny at the Grammys
for a week before I get praise to God, Let
me first say ice out. Oh okay, great, great, great choice.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But here's an interesting aside. And I know this to
be true. The NFL has told his management no better
or not, so.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
They can say it all they want, but at the
end of the day, it's gonna be what it's gonna be.
I'm now you know what. By the way, who do
you want to win? I want the Patriots to win
because I like Robert Kraft personally. He's one of the
most decent people you would ever meet in your life.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Love him, very charitable man. I'm in Boston's my second home,
so of course I want the Patriots to win. Here's
the problem. Seattle is a better team.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The Addle on paper is a better team. Concede the point.
But that's why you play the game. I mean, I
put you on every week. I have no idea what
I'm in for, but I put you on anyway. I
play the game.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's because it's fun and he's got very players.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
All right, mister O'Reilly We appreciate you all things simple man.
Bill O'Reilly at Bill Oreilly dot com. Sir, you have
a great time at the super Bowl. Will check in
with you next week see how it went.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Eight hundred and nine point one, Shawn our number if
you want to be a part of the program. It
is heartbreaking the story of Savannah Guthrie's mother, eighty four
years old. He's not in the best of health. What
we're hearing from law enforcement does not warm the heart.
It scares me. The fact that she was abducted against
(15:26):
her will out of her home in the dark of night,
blood found at the scene. And now Harvey Levin at TMZ.
I've known Harvey a long time. Harvey is a great guy.
He's really someone you can trust and he would never
report something unless it's it is true. I just know
how he rolls, and this is what he said that
(15:49):
TMZ received this well unverified ransom note. Also, a local
station in Los Angeles received a similar note. As a
matter of fact, the exact same note.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
We got something in our email that looks like a
It's written like a ransom note for Savannah Guthrie's mother.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Specific rly and there were very certain amounts of money.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Very specifically, and also they say at the bottom there
are certain things they're saying about what she was wearing
and damage to the house, as.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
If saying to verify it's us, we know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It so we are. We've contacted the Sheriff's department and
we want to get them this letter. And we had
a little trouble getting through to the right person. But
the person we spoke with is now forwarding this to
somebody in the detective bureau. So if my phone rings,
(16:46):
I may have to stop.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And what's interesting is, you know, there was just a
news conference that just ended with the sheriff and he
was asked about we're going to do this segment of
a few minutes, but he was asked about a ransom
note and he just said, we're following all leads.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, and this is it's again, we don't know, we
don't know if it's authentic or not. But when you
read it, they're acting as if, yeah, only we would
know these things, and we're serious, and there's a dollar
demand and an or else in there. So we will
(17:22):
let you know as this thing kind of develops.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Now, if you think about it, if this was just
a simple robbery, or if they wanted to bring harm
to Savannah Guthrie's mom, why would this not have happened
on the location. It has all the ear markings of
some type of real ransom. It's chilling, it's frightening. It's
what every American would fear. And obviously our thoughts and
(17:47):
prayers are with the family I've met, say Savannah Guthrie,
She's a lovely person, and I can't say that about
everybody in the legacy media that I've met in my life.
Trust me. Anyway, we welcome back to the program. He's
a longtime friend, I think, the smartest person in terms
of analysis of crime in the country, and I'm proud
(18:09):
to call her a friend. And it's Nancy Grace's with
us last night. You were so good on TV and
so knowledgeable. I mean, you really seem to know every
detail of this. Tell me what your gut is telling
you where we are today?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Number one, thank you for inviting me, Sean. And likewise,
first of all, I know Savannah. I care about Savannah,
and what you said is true. She's not just sweet
and nice and genteel On air. She's that way in person,
unlike a lot of people on the TV fake fake,
fake fake, She's not.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We know those same people.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Therefore, I'm telling you that up front because I want
to believe what I'm about to say, and that can
cloud your judgment. I want to believe that Nancy Guffery,
Savannah's mother, is alive. I don't want Savannah to put
put be put through the pain that so many of
the crime victims endure. So I'm looking at the facts
(19:14):
in a certain way, and that is this. When I
first heard that there was DNA and it had been
matched to Nancy Guffrie, I immediately thought that it was
blood because as an easily identifiable DNA source, you're not
going to just suddenly see perspiration or you know, some
other DNA matter. So I knew it was blood. They
(19:38):
would only see if it find it interesting if it
was a copious amount of blood, which would mean she's dead.
You can only lose so much blood and you die,
you bleed out. That was my first fear when I
realized the DNA was blood. Then I thought, wait a minute,
is the d is the blood in an unusual spot
like streaks of it on the door or upon the ceiling,
(20:00):
which is you know, throwback from a bludgeoning. Yeah, I thought,
oh no, it's high velocity. It's high velocity, which means
a gunshot. It's none of those things. From the blood
that we have seen in the photos, which is a
blood trail of sorts, not very long. It's leading from
her door to the driveway, and it appears to be
and this is very significant if this is all the
(20:21):
blood there is, it appears to be low velocity drops,
which to me looks like from for instance, a nose bleed.
I see other blood around it which looks like it
could have been aspirated. In other words, how can I
say this in common terms, breathe out. So that's the
(20:42):
pattern that I see in a lot of worlds that
may not be good. In this scenario that is good.
There's not a copious amount of blood, so that means
to me, she could still be alive. We haven't found
her body, that's the headline. Kada or dogs haven't found
any thing that is. That's a bombshell right there. We
(21:03):
have no indication she's dead. Statistically, yes, she might be dead.
Statistically yes she's dead, But there are encouraging signs as well,
and I'm reading the tea leaves because I want to
read them this way. However, she is an elderly lady.
She's eighty four, and she is on a lot of meds.
You know, she's got a pacemaker. That tells me she
(21:24):
has heart issues as well. She can only be offered
meds so long, this is what we're learning. We're learning
that that ransom note may have been sent to a
third outlet. We know TMZ, we know, we know Cold
Kold now possibly to k g u N K GUNN.
What does that mean? That means it's an orchestrated event.
(21:46):
They want a huge amount of money, millions in bitcoin. Now,
who would do that? That's telling me a lot about
an alleged purp that they would want the money in bitcoin. Now,
a lot has been made about her of interest at
this juncture. The share has come out and said there
are no suspects, there is no POI. I want to
believe them, but they always say that when they've got
(22:08):
a POI. Right, Why because once your name to the suspect,
constitutional protections shroud you. Until your name to the suspect,
you know you don't have those constitutional protections. But at
this juncture there is no suspect and there is no
POI another thing I'm wondering about then, the ransom letters.
(22:30):
They apparently have written what Nancy Duffery was wearing at
the time of her abduction. Was it a PJS? She
woked to that church event that's Saturday night. I'm curious
to find out if she's still wearing her clothing she
wore to the event, Sean, that tells me that she
had not been home for long. She has a routine,
(22:51):
she gets him bed at a certain time. She would
have already put on a PJS. If she's wearing her
street clothes, that means she was abducted almost immediately upon
getting home, which means the part was watching her and
knew her routine. If she has on her PAGs, then
the ransom note will reveal that. And if that's accurate,
then the ransom note is for real.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And it's all scary to me. You know, I want
people to know where your passion comes from, and I
don't want to bring back bad memories in your life.
But you were engaged and something tragic happened in your
life and it resulted. I mean it changed your life
on a dime. And this happens to victims of crime
(23:35):
all the time. I just want you to remind people
of what you live through so people understand exactly where
this passion of yours has come from.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Well, Sean, for you, I will do that. I typically
did not like it, ill you.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Don't have to. I mean, I care too much about
you as a friend.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Just gave I'm in the car actually all the way
back from giving a Founder's Day speech at one of
my alma mas, Mercer University in Macon. I graduated from
there in Ny. You and I was in the middle
of my speech and I had to give this story
and about to tell and I've already broken down in tears.
So you know I'm already a big batms.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I cared too much about you as a person. I'll
solve for you. I mean you were engaged.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yes, how was that?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So the love of your life?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
A little college and I fell in love with a
baseball player, Keith on baseball scholarship. He transferred to complete
his geology degree, and that's what I transferred to Mercer.
Shortly before our wedding, Keith was murdered. He was shot
(24:45):
five times into faith the neck and the back. And
I knew nothing about the justice system. I had never
been in a courtroom. I never had any quote brushed
with the law, nor my family. The first time I
was ever in a courtroom was when I was a
witness in his prosecution. And I'll never forget it, Sean,
(25:08):
as long as I live. I now know why I
was a witness. I didn't see what happened. I wasn't
there when he was murdered, but I believe I was
brought on to humanized Keith, since victims have no rights
in a courtroom, to make him come alive for that journey.
And I remember coming down off the witness stand, and
it was high up by the judge in one of
(25:30):
those elevated benches, and you'd take two steps and then
a little square, and then you'd turn the other way
and come down the rest of the steps and a
lot by council table. And I looked down and I
saw Keith's bloody shirt and I had not seen that.
I'd never seen anything like that. I grew up in
(25:50):
a very rural, sheltered childhood, and I'll never forget it.
And I kept walking and I passed the defendant's table, Sean,
and I looked at the defendant and he looked me
in the face of me looked down in his life.
He couldn't look at me in the face. And I
looked on either side and all the lawyers sitting around him,
(26:12):
and they looked at me, and then they looked down too,
they at their table. They wouldn't look at me. And
I just kept going. And I remember it's so quiet,
and I could hear my boots as I walked out
of that place. And that was my first exposure to
the criminal justice system. Everything was a blur. I hardly
(26:36):
remember a lot of it, and I've actually lost chunks
of memory. Before and after Keith Murder. I was in
school to be an English Shakespeare with Professor, and I
dropped out of school and thankfully Mercer University let me
come back in later, no questions asked. But I wife
(26:58):
and mother and Professor was not meant to be. I
went back to law school to become a fellony prosecutor
of violent crimes to help other victims. But the story
didn't end there. That crime affected the rest of my life.
It took me so long to get it together to
ever attempt to remarry. That I didn't get pregnant until
(27:22):
I was forty seven, sharps and I and my daughter,
my little Lucy, almost died in childbirth. Sounds so old
by the time I finally got pregnant. So it affected
my life for the rest of my life. So I
come to this spot in this car on this song call,
and it's very personal to me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, it's one of the reasons I love you
so much. And you know it's out of this horrible
tragedy as a young woman. And by the way, it
was nineteen years to even till you even considered getting
married because it was so traumatizing and devastating. And here's
you know, there is at the other side of this.
(28:03):
You have done so much good in your life because
of what you live through and help so many others
as a result of all of this. I mean, it
just is I sit here in awe of the person
that you are, and it's so sad what shaped you
into the person that you are and the tragedy that
(28:25):
brought this out, and yet you have this infectious passion.
You're the premier expert now in the country on cases
like this. Stay right there. I don't want to push
you anymore on this. I didn't even want to ask
it if I knew. I know how emotional it is,
(28:48):
and I know you as a person. We'll have more
with Nancy Grace on the other side. Eight hundred and
nine to FOURT one Shawn number will continue
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