September 3, 2026 • 34 mins
Senator Ted Cruz joins Joe Pags for a candid conversation about why Republicans still do not have the 50 votes needed to advance the SAVE America Act. Cruz discusses GOP holdouts, including Mitch McConnell and Thom Tillis, the limits of Senate leadership, and why electing more conservatives may be the only way to break the logjam. The conversation then expands to Michigan, the growing influence of Democratic Socialists, and what Cruz describes as a broader ideological battle over capitalism, constitutional government, religious liberty, and the future of the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm watching AOC. She's saying, I was only kidding about
the things I used to say. But they'll go back
to those things.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
We must pass my trans bill of rights.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
If Democrats were able to take back the gavel in
the House, would you support impeaching Donald Trump?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
On day one, Peter. I am so thankful that young
activists have really drawn the link between climate change and
white supremacy and capitalism.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Hannity's on! And so is the countdown. T-minus 61 days
until election day. Yeah, we're coming to your city.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Gonna play our guitars and sing you a country song.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Sean Hannity.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
The new Sean Hannity Show. More behind-the-scenes information on breaking
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
Joe Pag's in for Sean Hannity. It is 800-941-SEAN. Breaking
news throughout the entire first hour from Massachusetts. In the
Clancy case, the juror sent yet another note into the
judge and the judge read the note, questioned every juror,
gave new instructions about reasonable doubt, sent them off to
go and deliberate. The defense attorney not very happy about that,
but he can pound sand. It's going to have to
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come to some sort of a conclusion. If it does
during this show, we'll bring it to you. Yep, the midterms,
61 days away. You can't sit on your hands. You've
got to take part. I had a chance to talk
to U.S. Senator Ted Cruz just yesterday, and I asked
him very directly about what's going on. We've known each
other a long time. Been a friend of mine for
a long time, been my senator for a long time.
We thought he might have been the president in 2016.
(02:10):
Might he be a Supreme Court justice? Of course, I'm
talking about Ted Cruz, U.S. Senator of the great state
of Texas. Ted, how are you? Good to see you.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Fags, I'm doing fantastic. How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm doing great. I have no idea how you sat
down with Clarence Thomas for so long. I think that's amazing.
I remember being a young guy on radio in 1990, 1991,
seeing Joe Biden like an idiot, treat him badly in
the confirmation hearings. I've got to get into that in earnest.
The book is called Going Further, The Clarence Thomas Story
America Never Really Heard. Go and get it now. It's
available everywhere. Go to goingfurther.com to go find out more.
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I'd be an idiot not to start here, though, Ted.
The midterms are coming up, and I feel like we're
in trouble. I think that we can save it. I
think we've got time. But I want to ask you
a simple question that might make you mad. Hopefully you
won't get mad at me. Why is John Thune still
the majority leader in the Senate when you can do
a better job, Mike Lee can do a better job,
Rick Scott, Ron Johnson? I'll go down the list if
you want. This guy simply will not get off the
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dime and get rid of the filibuster, at least making
a talking filibuster. or just say, we're going to get
a vote on the Save America Act to save America
in November. Why can't we do something about John Thune?
He looks like he's not doing anything, in my opinion.
You could prove me wrong here.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Well, listen, I think we need to pass the Save
America Act. I'm an original sponsor of the Save America Act.
I am fighting tooth and nail to get my colleagues
to pass it. Here's the challenge, Pags, which is right
now we don't have 50 votes. There are 53 Republicans.
To do anything, we need 50 votes. There are at
least four hard hard no's.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
There may be more.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
And that at the end of the day, that that
is not something John Thune controls. You've got some people
you've got, for example, Mitch McConnell is a hard no.
Tom Tillis is a hard no. And I don't know
of any answer. There has not been anything that President
Trump has been able to do to change that. There's
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not been anything the White House has been able to
change that. And it's hard to see what John Thune
could do to change that. Now, I have urged exactly
what you said, that we force the Democrats to do
a standing filibuster. We force them not just to raise
a finger and say, I filibuster, but to stand and
talk like Jimmy Stewart did.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
And it's a wonderful or Mr. Smith goes to Washington rather.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Or for that matter, like I did against Obamacare, filibustering
for 21 hours. I mean, we can make it harder
on the Democrats, but the challenge is we have voted
on the Save America Act multiple times and we keep
having Republicans vote no.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
And it frustrates the hell out of me.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
But the only answer is to get more conservatives in
the Senate who are willing to stand up and fight
because we don't have 50 right now.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Are Tillis and McConnell a hard no because they don't
like President Trump? They allegedly are conservative guys. They allegedly
would like for our vote to count and not to
be disenfranchised in November. They want a real vote count,
I would guess, in November just to hurt Trump?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Is that what this is? Look, I think that's a
big part of it.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
McConnell would say now he is his whole career in
the Senate opposed any federal regulations of a vote voting.
And most of that he's opposed from Democrats who are
trying to undermine voting. And so in his mind, he
views this as a principled opposition. Listen, I would say
both both Mitch and Tom are also pissed at President
Trump and President Trump played a significant role in ending
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their political careers. They're both leaving the Senate. uh, at
the end of this year. And, and that's a challenge
that you've got some senators that the president, uh, has
leaned in and come against. And, and unfortunately some of
them hold grudges. And so that, I don't like it.
It's frustrating, but, but, but there is a reality of
math of counting to 50 that, that, that has proven
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really challenging.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Aren't you a good example of how you can get
over that? I mean, you guys call each other every
name in the book in 2016, and now you're somebody
who has a very good relationship with President Trump, and
you guys are getting something done. Are these guys just
so old school that they're dug in and they're not
going to change?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You know, look, I don't know. You're right.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
In 2016, President Trump and I both beat the living
daylights out of each other. And I was the last
man standing. I beat him in 12 states all over
the country.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I know.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
And we stood in the arena and I punched him
in the face as hard as I could. And he
punched me in the face as hard as he could.
And it was a real fight. But when it was over,
I had a choice to make. And, you know, I
could have decided to be ticked off. I could have
decided to take my ball and go home. But to
be honest, Joe, if I was going to do that,
I needed to submit my resignation as a senator as well,
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because I couldn't represent 32 million Texans and do my
job if I wasn't willing to work with the president
to get real victories. And so the week after the
general election in 2016, I got on a plane, I
flew to New York, I went to Trump Tower, and
I spent four and a half hours with the president
and his senior team.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And I said, Mr.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
President, we have been given something that is extremely rare
and that is historic. We have been given control of
the White House, the Senate and the House. That almost
never happens. And I said, I don't want to waste it.
And I told him, Mr. President, I want to roll
up my sleeves. I want to go to work and
do the hard work to deliver on our promises, to
deliver on what we told the American people. And I've
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spent more than a decade as President Trump's strongest ally
in the U.S.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Senate.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
And he and I have an incredible record, I think,
of working hand in hand and winning historic victories for
the American people. That's what I wish all 53 Republicans
were doing in the Senate. But unfortunately, that's not what
all 53 Republicans are doing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Book is out now. Go and get it. Anywhere you
get great books are going to going further dot com.
It's going further. The Clarence Thomas story. America never really heard.
When we talk about the Senate and the House and
having majorities, of course, you've got it now slim in
both bodies. I think you can add in Minnesota. I
think you can add in Michigan in the midterm elections
if we do it right. The DSA is very, very
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good at communicating, although this guy, Abdul Al-Sayed, is really
shooting himself in the foot. You can't say you hate
Mackinac Island. You can't say that football is toxic masculinity.
You can't ask Jesse Waters to be circumcised. I mean,
the guy's making a fool out of himself. I know
that I've got 15 stations just in Michigan, as you know,
and they're listening very closely right now. Ted, can we
save the Senate and maybe gain in the Senate in November?
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Look, I think we can, and I think Michigan is
our single biggest pickup opportunity in the country.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Abdul Al-Sayed is a radical candidate.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
And one of the really frightening things that we're witnessing
right now is the a literal communist takeover and Islamist
takeover of the Democrat Party. And you look at Abdul Al-Sayed,
he is a Marxist and he is an Islamist. The
single largest donor to Al-Sayed's super PAC is his father-in-law.
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And his father-in-law was one of the founders of one
of the largest Islamic organizations in the United States that
is closely affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a radical.
This is a radical who says that he is committed
to following Sharia law. And by the way, this is
a radical from a family who has been consistently undermining America.
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His sister is a rabid communist. She is on the
faculty of the University of Chicago, though she says she
hates the University of Chicago.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
She hates America. She hates the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Where he comes from, this is what he is fighting for.
And listen, if you look at the DSA, the Democrat
Socialists of America, read what they have in their platform
that they say they want.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
They advocate, number one, abolishing the Senate.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
This guy Al Sayed is running to serve in the
Senate on a platform of abolishing the body he's running for.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Smart.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
The DSA says they want to essentially rip up the Constitution.
They want to make the president report to the House
of Representatives. The House of Representatives would essentially be the Politburo.
They want to make the Supreme Court report to the
House of Representatives. Now, why do they want to do that?
Because if the Supreme Court reports to the all-powerful Politburo,
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It means you have no free speech rights.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
You have no religious liberty rights.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
You have no second amendment right to keep and bear
arms because the government can do whatever they want. And understand,
you look at Comrade Mondami in New York City, who
is the most powerful Democrat in the country. It is
the green red alliance, the Marxist and Islamist coming together.
They both hate the same things.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
And that is us. They hate Christians.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
They hate Jews, they hate capitalism, they hate the Constitution,
and they hate Americans. If you look at what Mondami
says he wants to do, it is to seize the
means of production, to take over and destroy capitalism.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
That's not what Michigan believes. That's not what Texas believes.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Just this week, James Tallarico here in Texas, we have
video of him talking to left-wing activists and saying he's
talking about capitalism, white supremacy, and climate change. And he
says all three are systems of oppression that we have
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to dismantle. Understand, James Tallarico is running for Senate because
he wants to dismantle capitalism.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
That ain't Texas. It's nuts.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, Ted, you're right. I want to go back to
the Islamist mention that you just made, though, in New York. Mamdani...
has Kathy Hochul go to some get-together. Now, I grew
up Catholic. I don't know what your religion is. I
grew up Catholic. I'm an Italian guy. You probably grew
up Catholic. I'm not sure what you are now. I'm
a non-denominational Christian. But had somebody come to my house,
we invited them to our house, and showed up dressed
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as a nun, we would have asked them to leave.
Are you stupid? You don't have to dress like a
nun because I'm Catholic. For some reason, Hochul dons the
hijab and goes somewhere to show that she's what? Part
of the Muslim movement? I don't get it. AOC has
done it. Hillary Clinton has done it.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
If you're a dignitary and let's say you bring your
wife and you're going to go visit Saudi Arabia and
they say, while you're here, please wear what's traditional. Maybe
you'll think about doing that. But in New York City,
in New York State, in Texas, we should don traditional
Muslim gear. What are these people doing? Ted, what are
they proving? Hochul doesn't know enough to know that the
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radical leftists in this country would be the first they
would get rid of if Islamists took over. Does she
not get that? Why are they bending the knee to
this movement? I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Look, it is power.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
And the Green-Red Alliance, the Islamists and the Marxists, they
come together because they share hatreds. And if you look
at most Democrats, let's take Democrats in the Senate. Most
of the Democrats in the Senate are not themselves Marxists.
They're not themselves Islamists.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
But they're terrified of them because that's the base of
their party. That's where the energy is. That's where the
money is. That's where the young people are. And Mondami...
The Marxists and Islamists are winning primaries. They won three primaries,
beating longtime Democrats in Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
They've won primaries in Colorado. They won the primary in
Michigan with Abdul Al-Sayed. They won a primary in Florida.
They won a primary in Oklahoma, for Pete's sake.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Crazy.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
I mean, this is, and every Democrat, Hochul is terrified
of AOC and Mondami. By the way, Chuck Schumer- Chuck
Schumer cannot win another election in New York.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
He will be primary.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
My prediction is Schumer won't even run because this is
the base of their party now and they have them
held hostage and the rest of them are just desperately,
all they want is power.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Principle doesn't matter to them.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
They don't believe anything except staying in power and these
radicals believe them when they tell you what they want
to do. And listen, as you know, Joe, Marxism for
me and my family, it's not theoretical. We've lived through it.
My family was imprisoned and tortured in Cuba. Communists, let
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me tell you a story from Cuba when Fidel Castro
took over. My grandmother, my abuela, she was a school teacher.
She taught sixth grade in Cuba. And she told me
when I was a little boy about what happened when
Castro took over. And she said, the soldiers came to
the schools and they went into the kindergartens in the
first grades. And they asked all the students, they said,
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close your eyes and pray to Jesus. Pray to Jesus
for candy. And the kids all did so. They opened
their eyes, no candy. The soldiers then told the kids,
close your eyes. Now pray to Fidel Castro candy. The
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kids all did so. And while their eyes were closed,
the soldiers quietly put a piece of candy on every
child's desk.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's so sick, Ted. That is so sick.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
That is communism. They want to destroy your, your loyalty
to anything. They want to destroy any allegiance to God.
They want to destroy any allegiance to family. Communism turns
husband against wife, wife against husband.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
It turns kids against parents.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
It divides your only allegiance is to the all powerful state.
And by the way, understand communism is not about equality
because the leaders live like Kings. Fidel Castro was a billionaire.
Raul Castro, a billionaire. Vladimir Putin is a billionaire. Hugo Chavez,
a billionaire. Nicholas Maduro, a billionaire. Communism is about the
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powerful using guns to rob everyone else and everyone else
is trapped in misery. And these young little Marxists, they
don't know any better. And they're the ones trying to
do that to this country.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
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about 36 minutes. Go check it out right now on
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Pags in for Hannity. Back after this.
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Speaker 3 (17:03):
News out of out of massachusetts the judge has sent
the jury home for the day and again they're going
home not sequestered so is this thing isn't over yet
he's not going to take this hung jury thing not
going to take this deadlock thing he wants them to
come to a conclusion in the the Lindsay Clancy case.
And at the end of the day, we all want that,
don't we? A lot of people chomping at the bit,
wanted to get through on this. Go to 800-941-SHAWN, 800-941-7326.
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Get through right now. We'll talk about Clancy. We'll also
talk about what Ted Cruz had to say, the midterms,
and a lot more. Evita Duffy will be on this
program next hour. Do not touch that dial. It's Joe
Paggs in for Sean Hannity. Go to Hannity.com. Go to
JoePaggs.com as well. We'll talk to you in just a bit.
Do not touch that dial. I want to hear from
you on this stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
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Speaker 3 (18:27):
Always an honor to be in for my friend Sean Hannity.
It's Joe Paggian and calling the usual number 800-941-SEAN. 800-941-SHAWN,
7-3-2-6 is how you spell Shawn, along with Linda and
Ethan and my daughter Sam, who's my executive producer on
my show, enjoying my time here with you on a Thursday.
Check my show out. It's on after Shawn on many
of these radio stations based in San Antonio. You can
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find us if you look. And at the end of
the day, it's always just a special honor to get
that call from Linda and from Shawn to get something
done here. We're watching what's going on with the Clancy case.
And I intended to talk a lot about the midterms
today because it's really, really important. We always say it's
the most important midterms of our lives. But the Clancy
case has had all sorts of moving parts today, all
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sorts of breaking news and developing news. And the latest
is this. The judge has sent the jurors home for
the day. I don't like that they're not sequestered. Doesn't
make any sense to me. I can't wrap my brain
around how they're not sequestered, knowing you've got these pink
shirt wearing nut jobs out front of the courthouse. You've
got people allegedly accosting jurors as they come out at
an obvious door after the day of deliberations. And today,
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if you're just joining us, there was a lot of
stuff going on. You had the jury who now for
the third straight day said, we can't come to a verdict.
We can't come to a decision that's unanimous. And they
sent another note to the judge. We assumed it might
have been the lunch order. And then it turned out
it wasn't. It was something more like, hey, can you
explain reasonable doubt again? Or it might've actually said, we've
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got one holdout. Now the defense attorney takes advantage of that. Uh,
this guy, Reddington, he stands up and says that we
have to get rid of the one juror and replace
that juror with one of the six alternates. And the
judge rejects that. And I guess Reddington got very animated
in the courtroom. The judge then meets individually with every juror.
It's assumed through our friend Greg Jarrett that the judge
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says to the jurors, can you follow the law and
the instructions I've given you? And they appear to all
say yes because he then, I thought he was going
to release, I'll be honest, Linda, did you see, did
you think what I thought that he might have been saying,
that's it, you're hung, it's a mistrial? Because I did
not see him say go back and deliberate again that
he did it.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You know, it's funny. I think that he is of
the opinion that they can get it done. And I
think if I had to, if I had to guess,
I think that they, he wants it to get it
done because he feels like that's what the people should be,
should be do. They should be doing answer. And unfortunately
it may be uncomfortable to be in the position that
they're in. I strongly feel that the jury should have
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been sequestered. I don't know why they are exposing them
to all the lunatics that have already judging jury to
the story on social media. Additionally, I was talking to
Ethan about this earlier. I really don't know why more
people aren't discussing the fact that she has never been
clinically diagnosed for postpartum. This is something that Reddington has done.
She has never been diagnosed by a doctor that she
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has postpartum disorder. It's not in any of her records.
It's not anywhere in any of the medications that she's
been prescribed that it's because of the postpartum diagnosis she's received.
So as far as I'm concerned, this is her defense
attorney's angle to get her off the hook. And I think,
and this is just my opinion, that Americans in general,
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our news is so sanitized. And so we're kept from
what really happened. Perhaps if some of these morons wearing
pink outside and some of the people on the jury...
could see what those children looked like face down with
exercise bands wrapped around their necks, squeezing it down to
within an inch, their last breaths of their life and
a most painful death. Maybe if they saw real images
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of that, they would have a different opinion on who
the victims are in this case. Because I'll tell you what,
it sure as hell is not Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I can agree with you more. I think you're absolutely right.
At the end of the day, you've got three dead
kids and she did it. And I'm not saying that
she's criminally responsible for it. We'll find out when the
jury comes back with a verdict. But I also saw
that slick move by Reddington. And for those just joining
us now, again, the show's been on for two and
a half or for an hour and a half. What's
the matter? You can't give us an hour and a
half of your day. At the end of the day,
this Reddington guy is a very, very good lawyer because
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he in open court. makes the suggestion, the inference, that
the one holdout is the one that wants to convict her.
And the other 11 all want to let her off.
He doesn't have any clue if that's the case. The
judge doesn't even know what the holdout is, either guilty
or not guilty. So, I mean, Linda, honestly, that was
a very slick move by this guy. He must be
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getting paid pretty well.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Never put it past a defense attorney to make you
think that they have all the answers. The only thing
that that guy knows how to do right now is
slam papers. I don't know who has the hot mic
on his desk, but I was talking to Ethan earlier
and I was like, enough with the slamming papers and
the theatrics. Once that defense attorney said, I love her.
She's a wonderful mother. I'm like, okay, listen, do me
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a favor, please. There are three children that have lost
their lives at her hands. That actually is not up
for debate. So to say something like she's a wonderful
mother is actually very disgusting.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
She's not a mother anymore.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
She's not a mother. For the rest of your life,
your legacy is going to be that you set precedent
for mothers who murder their children. I'll tell you what,
if she was a man and she had a disorder,
you know where she'd be right now? On death row.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We talked about it earlier.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I know, Sam found that story. There's about 12 others
just like it.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Where was that from?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Was that South Carolina? Where was the guy from?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I forget.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
South Carolina. So this guy faces a jury three hours later,
they're eating dinner. This guy's done five dead children and
he's done because now listen, again, I've got five daughters.
I've got a wife. I've got, I've got three sisters.
I have three sisters. I've got granddaughters, two granddaughters. I
can't imagine not protecting them with every fiber of my being.
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I can't imagine it. And then the answer, well, you're
not a woman. You don't know. You didn't go through it. Well,
I've been around pregnant people my entire life. Pregnant women.
I'm not going to say people because they'll think I'm
a trans activist.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Hanging out with Tallarico down there in Texas.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He's just out the road in Austin. But at the
end of the day, you've got people who are family
men who can absolutely say, I'm the protector. I'm the hunter,
the gatherer. This woman sends the husband away. I had
Jennifer Koffendapher on the other day on my show, FBI
former special agent. She said, when you go through exactly
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the planning she did to kill them and then making sure,
like monitoring where he is, how long will he be
before he gets back? Talking to him on the phone
after killing the kid. Don't worry, the kids are in
the basement. They're dead. I mean, when you look at that,
you want me to think that some man's voice went
through some hallucination that she was having postpartum psychosis as
she's methodically planning the act? It blows my mind. This
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should have been an open and closed case. Have a
nice day. Goodbye. Because if there was an argument about
how they died, I see why we're taking so long.
Nobody argues that she did it. And it blows my mind.
And the whole medication thing, you're so right. They're making
these diagnoses. Coffin Daffer, the other day on my show,
said she's still on most of those medications today.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, supposedly she only had two in her system at
the time of the attack that she did to her children. Now,
I'm not a doctor. I'm glad I'm not a doctor
because our medical system is completely screwed. But putting that
to the side for a hot second, when I talk
about this woman and what she had in her system,
this is a labor and delivery nurse. This is somebody
who went to school and studied medicine, studied nursing, and
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was the person typically giving out information about drugs and
care and worked in a hospital. So for her to
now claim ignorance as if she doesn't know what's going
on is a really tall tale. The whole thing is
a tall tale. She's just filled with evil. She's an
evil person. She took the lives of a five, a three,
and an eight-month-old. Sorry, not sorry. Go spend your life
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in prison. I hope you get the death sentence. And
then go see, you know, Satan. That's where you belong.
You're a bad person.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It's worth mentioning that the judge gives them the opportunity
to do manslaughter, which makes no sense because, again, there's
a lot of planning here.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Oh my God. I so agree with you on that.
I'm so glad you said that.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
The idea, well, he just wants, he wants a verdict
and I think he wanted to give them an out, uh, but,
but that's not going to work either because somebody still
won't even agree to that, which completely boggles my mind.
Here's somebody who did something heinous who should not be.
I've always had a question about the whole incompetent to
stay in trial. The whole insanity thing doesn't make them
any less dead. It doesn't make them come back. And
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if she really was overtaken by some evil hallucinogenic man's voice,
why isn't she weeping her face off in the courtroom
every day? My kids are dead. She's sitting there. She's smiling.
She's talking to the defense attorney. She's having a drink.
I just don't buy it. Sam, you're the younger generation.
Anything on this? When you watch this, what are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I totally agree.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
I think when I see her photos, I just think
that she looks evil.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
She is evil.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
And like we've been saying, if this were a man,
he would be convicted in two hours or less.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I mean, it's a no-brainer.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
As Judge Judy says, it's an easy.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It is an easy, without a doubt. It's 800-941-SHAWN, 800-941-7326.
Make sure you call in right now. You could also
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doing big numbers today. Let me go to the phone
lines because a lot of people want to be heard
on this. We didn't have time to get to you
in the first hour. Going to be Mark in Tampa, Florida. Mark,
what's going on in line two?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Hi. Hi, Mr. Joe Pags. Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Just a retired dentist here in Florida. Now, we have
a prescription drug monitoring program that, you know, basically classifies
what type of medication you're giving, especially opioids or psychotropic meds,
not only the type, but the dosage, the frequency of
administration and so on. I didn't know how these doctors
didn't communicate to each other. And also, what evidence is
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there that she was taking or not taking these medications?
And what influence of compliance or noncompliance did that have?
Those questions didn't seem to be asked.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, I'm with you. And I think that the defense
attorney wants to keep that out. He wants to push
this idea. And thanks for the call, Mark, out of
line two. out of Tampa. It's 800-941-SHAWN. At the end
of the day, it's just a defense. At the end
of the day, it's his way to possibly get her
from having to spend the rest of her life in prison.
I mean, if she goes to some mental institution, it's
not going to be very long and then she'll be
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out again. A side note of this story that a
lot of people aren't talking about is that Clancy and
her ex-husband are on a suit. They're both suing for
millions of dollars against the mental health institutions or maybe
whoever was prescribing the drugs. Linda, did you know that
they're on a suit together? This guy who's moved on
and married somebody else?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I did not.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
They want millions of dollars. It's like a joint lawsuit
that they're doing. And they're looking to make millions off
of their dead children. It doesn't mean that he was involved.
It doesn't mean that he did something wrong, like Lisa
Rinna and other idiots will say. It doesn't mean that
he drove her to do this. But I find it
to be very, very odd. If something were to happen,
and it would never happen in my life, anything like this,
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the last thing I would do is join my ex-wife
and try to go after somebody for millions of dollars,
as I know she's the one that offed my children.
The whole thing is very sick.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I'm going to give you two pieces of my point
of view on this, So if you can be married
to someone like this, her murdering this, these children, wasn't
the first time you knew that she was evil. That
wasn't your first clue. Um, they had living care. They
had two different nannies. The kids went to school from
eight in the morning till five o'clock at night. They
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were five and three.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And then they have, you know, they had money, they
have family nearby. So you have all of this help
and you are still not able to properly care for
your children. That's not just a her problem. That's a
him problem too. So that means both of them are
in on the Our lives come first. We haven't realized
yet that once you have kids, if you're, in my opinion,
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a good parent, your kids come first.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Period.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
End of sentence. 100%. If you haven't learned that lesson,
you're probably not the best parent. So in my opinion,
these guys were probably both not the greatest parents. She
obviously is a lot worse, but it doesn't mean that
he was, you know, winning any Father of the Year awards,
in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Interesting dynamic. I mean, I hadn't even thought about it
that way because as a father, I think about how
I do as a father. I think about how my
wife does as a mother. I think about how my
children do as parents. So I'm with you. I never
thought about that angle of it. I didn't know that
they were out of the house for nine hours a day.
And then they had, you know, in-home care. These people
were busy, obviously, trying to still live their independent lives
away from the fact that they had three kids. And
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they kept having kids. But it's not like they had
one and killing one would be too much. But they
had three. They kept on having children. I guess they
thought this cycle would work. Hey, look at us. We're
the perfect family. Let's take some pictures together and then
go live our independent lives. That actually makes me a
little bit more sick. So thanks for bringing that up.
It is 800-941-SHAWN, 800-941-SHAWN. Want to hear from you. Going
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to hit a break here. We come back. A lot
of people are lined up because they want to be
heard on this. Where are you on this case? What
do you think that one juror is holding out? Do
they think not guilty or do they think guilty? I
think it's more likely the one juror is holding out
and they think not guilty. I don't know that. It's
just a guess. But I would think that's more likely
than 11 say she's not guilty and one says she's guilty.
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I think that would be odd. Joe Pag's in for
Sean Hannity. We're coming right back.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Stay here.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Are you sick of fake news?
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Well, we've got you covered. Hannity watches here and has
the news you need. Sean Hannity.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Pags in for Hannity. Got to go to line two.
It's Tom in Florida about the Clancy case. Tom, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Hey, good morning. How you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I'm doing well. Got about a minute for you, Tom.
Make it happen.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Maybe this guy is involved in it. He took advantage
of his wife knowing she's on medication, over-drugged her, got
rid of the kids, remarried. And plus, this lady has
premeditated signs. She was on the computer seeing how far
it takes them to get to places. And places had
stuff that she was looking forward to send them to
go get. Definitely not. I don't think it's all psychosis.
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I think it's premeditated some of it as well.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Tom, I appreciate the call. Thanks. Let me let me
answer you this way. And this is truly what I believe.
If he were involved, then she would have said something
by now because her life is on the line. She's
gonna spend the rest of her life behind bars if
they find her guilty. And at this point, he's married
to somebody else, the kids are all gone, there's no
connection there anymore except for the lawsuit, and she doesn't
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benefit from the lawsuit if she's in prison. I think
that she would have said something by now had he
been involved. Let me quickly go to Vicki in Oklahoma.
I'm talking 30 seconds, Vicki, but I wanna hear from you,
let's go.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Okay, well, I have one comment or a question.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
If she was so depressed, why didn't she just kill herself?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Vicki, thanks for the call. I mean, that's a very,
very good question. I've often asked this question. When people
do murder-suicide, and allegedly she tried to commit suicide, when
people do that, the question is very simple to me.
Why don't you just take yourself out before you hurt
anybody else who's innocent? And this doesn't mean I want
you to hurt yourself, but if you're going to do
it anyway and you decided that you're going to do it,
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why is it that three little babies have to go too?
And again, she somehow wasn't able to kill herself, although
she was able to strangle the life out of her
three children that she bared, that she bore, right there
in the basement floor. Doesn't make any sense. I'm sickened
by the entire thing. Vicki, great question. I will reject
that he's somehow involved because I think that she would have,
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to save her own life, would have said so by now.
Gotta hit a break here. Lots coming next hour, including,
I think Linda saved a dog. We gotta talk about that.
Keep it here on the Sean Hannity Show.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm watching AOC. She's saying, I was only kidding about
the things I used to say. But they'll go back
to those things.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
We must pass my trans bill of rights.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
If Democrats were able to take back the gavel in
the House, would you support impeaching Donald Trump?
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On day one, Peter. I am so thankful that young
activists have really drawn the link between climate change and
white supremacy and capitalism.
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news throughout the entire first hour from Massachusetts. In the
Clancy case, the juror sent yet another note into the
judge and the judge read the note, questioned every juror,
gave new instructions about reasonable doubt, sent them off to
go and deliberate. The defense attorney not very happy about that,
but he can pound sand. It's going to have to
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come to some sort of a conclusion. If it does
during this show, we'll bring it to you. Yep, the midterms,
61 days away. You can't sit on your hands. You've
got to take part. I had a chance to talk
to U.S. Senator Ted Cruz just yesterday, and I asked
him very directly about what's going on. We've known each
other a long time. Been a friend of mine for
a long time, been my senator for a long time.
We thought he might have been the president in 2016.
(02:10):
Might he be a Supreme Court justice? Of course, I'm
talking about Ted Cruz, U.S. Senator of the great state
of Texas. Ted, how are you? Good to see you.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Fags, I'm doing fantastic. How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm doing great. I have no idea how you sat
down with Clarence Thomas for so long. I think that's amazing.
I remember being a young guy on radio in 1990, 1991,
seeing Joe Biden like an idiot, treat him badly in
the confirmation hearings. I've got to get into that in earnest.
The book is called Going Further, The Clarence Thomas Story
America Never Really Heard. Go and get it now. It's
available everywhere. Go to goingfurther.com to go find out more.
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I'd be an idiot not to start here, though, Ted.
The midterms are coming up, and I feel like we're
in trouble. I think that we can save it. I
think we've got time. But I want to ask you
a simple question that might make you mad. Hopefully you
won't get mad at me. Why is John Thune still
the majority leader in the Senate when you can do
a better job, Mike Lee can do a better job,
Rick Scott, Ron Johnson? I'll go down the list if
you want. This guy simply will not get off the
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dime and get rid of the filibuster, at least making
a talking filibuster. or just say, we're going to get
a vote on the Save America Act to save America
in November. Why can't we do something about John Thune?
He looks like he's not doing anything, in my opinion.
You could prove me wrong here.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Well, listen, I think we need to pass the Save
America Act. I'm an original sponsor of the Save America Act.
I am fighting tooth and nail to get my colleagues
to pass it. Here's the challenge, Pags, which is right
now we don't have 50 votes. There are 53 Republicans.
To do anything, we need 50 votes. There are at
least four hard hard no's.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
There may be more.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
And that at the end of the day, that that
is not something John Thune controls. You've got some people
you've got, for example, Mitch McConnell is a hard no.
Tom Tillis is a hard no. And I don't know
of any answer. There has not been anything that President
Trump has been able to do to change that. There's
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not been anything the White House has been able to
change that. And it's hard to see what John Thune
could do to change that. Now, I have urged exactly
what you said, that we force the Democrats to do
a standing filibuster. We force them not just to raise
a finger and say, I filibuster, but to stand and
talk like Jimmy Stewart did.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
And it's a wonderful or Mr. Smith goes to Washington rather.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Or for that matter, like I did against Obamacare, filibustering
for 21 hours. I mean, we can make it harder
on the Democrats, but the challenge is we have voted
on the Save America Act multiple times and we keep
having Republicans vote no.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
And it frustrates the hell out of me.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
But the only answer is to get more conservatives in
the Senate who are willing to stand up and fight
because we don't have 50 right now.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Are Tillis and McConnell a hard no because they don't
like President Trump? They allegedly are conservative guys. They allegedly
would like for our vote to count and not to
be disenfranchised in November. They want a real vote count,
I would guess, in November just to hurt Trump?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Is that what this is? Look, I think that's a
big part of it.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
McConnell would say now he is his whole career in
the Senate opposed any federal regulations of a vote voting.
And most of that he's opposed from Democrats who are
trying to undermine voting. And so in his mind, he
views this as a principled opposition. Listen, I would say
both both Mitch and Tom are also pissed at President
Trump and President Trump played a significant role in ending
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their political careers. They're both leaving the Senate. uh, at
the end of this year. And, and that's a challenge
that you've got some senators that the president, uh, has
leaned in and come against. And, and unfortunately some of
them hold grudges. And so that, I don't like it.
It's frustrating, but, but, but there is a reality of
math of counting to 50 that, that, that has proven
(05:50):
really challenging.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Aren't you a good example of how you can get
over that? I mean, you guys call each other every
name in the book in 2016, and now you're somebody
who has a very good relationship with President Trump, and
you guys are getting something done. Are these guys just
so old school that they're dug in and they're not
going to change?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You know, look, I don't know. You're right.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
In 2016, President Trump and I both beat the living
daylights out of each other. And I was the last
man standing. I beat him in 12 states all over
the country.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I know.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
And we stood in the arena and I punched him
in the face as hard as I could. And he
punched me in the face as hard as he could.
And it was a real fight. But when it was over,
I had a choice to make. And, you know, I
could have decided to be ticked off. I could have
decided to take my ball and go home. But to
be honest, Joe, if I was going to do that,
I needed to submit my resignation as a senator as well,
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because I couldn't represent 32 million Texans and do my
job if I wasn't willing to work with the president
to get real victories. And so the week after the
general election in 2016, I got on a plane, I
flew to New York, I went to Trump Tower, and
I spent four and a half hours with the president
and his senior team.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And I said, Mr.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
President, we have been given something that is extremely rare
and that is historic. We have been given control of
the White House, the Senate and the House. That almost
never happens. And I said, I don't want to waste it.
And I told him, Mr. President, I want to roll
up my sleeves. I want to go to work and
do the hard work to deliver on our promises, to
deliver on what we told the American people. And I've
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spent more than a decade as President Trump's strongest ally
in the U.S.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Senate.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
And he and I have an incredible record, I think,
of working hand in hand and winning historic victories for
the American people. That's what I wish all 53 Republicans
were doing in the Senate. But unfortunately, that's not what
all 53 Republicans are doing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Book is out now. Go and get it. Anywhere you
get great books are going to going further dot com.
It's going further. The Clarence Thomas story. America never really heard.
When we talk about the Senate and the House and
having majorities, of course, you've got it now slim in
both bodies. I think you can add in Minnesota. I
think you can add in Michigan in the midterm elections
if we do it right. The DSA is very, very
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good at communicating, although this guy, Abdul Al-Sayed, is really
shooting himself in the foot. You can't say you hate
Mackinac Island. You can't say that football is toxic masculinity.
You can't ask Jesse Waters to be circumcised. I mean,
the guy's making a fool out of himself. I know
that I've got 15 stations just in Michigan, as you know,
and they're listening very closely right now. Ted, can we
save the Senate and maybe gain in the Senate in November?
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Look, I think we can, and I think Michigan is
our single biggest pickup opportunity in the country.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Abdul Al-Sayed is a radical candidate.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
And one of the really frightening things that we're witnessing
right now is the a literal communist takeover and Islamist
takeover of the Democrat Party. And you look at Abdul Al-Sayed,
he is a Marxist and he is an Islamist. The
single largest donor to Al-Sayed's super PAC is his father-in-law.
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And his father-in-law was one of the founders of one
of the largest Islamic organizations in the United States that
is closely affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a radical.
This is a radical who says that he is committed
to following Sharia law. And by the way, this is
a radical from a family who has been consistently undermining America.
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His sister is a rabid communist. She is on the
faculty of the University of Chicago, though she says she
hates the University of Chicago.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
She hates America. She hates the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Where he comes from, this is what he is fighting for.
And listen, if you look at the DSA, the Democrat
Socialists of America, read what they have in their platform
that they say they want.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
They advocate, number one, abolishing the Senate.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
This guy Al Sayed is running to serve in the
Senate on a platform of abolishing the body he's running for.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Smart.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
The DSA says they want to essentially rip up the Constitution.
They want to make the president report to the House
of Representatives. The House of Representatives would essentially be the Politburo.
They want to make the Supreme Court report to the
House of Representatives. Now, why do they want to do that?
Because if the Supreme Court reports to the all-powerful Politburo,
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It means you have no free speech rights.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
You have no religious liberty rights.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
You have no second amendment right to keep and bear
arms because the government can do whatever they want. And understand,
you look at Comrade Mondami in New York City, who
is the most powerful Democrat in the country. It is
the green red alliance, the Marxist and Islamist coming together.
They both hate the same things.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
And that is us. They hate Christians.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
They hate Jews, they hate capitalism, they hate the Constitution,
and they hate Americans. If you look at what Mondami
says he wants to do, it is to seize the
means of production, to take over and destroy capitalism.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
That's not what Michigan believes. That's not what Texas believes.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Just this week, James Tallarico here in Texas, we have
video of him talking to left-wing activists and saying he's
talking about capitalism, white supremacy, and climate change. And he
says all three are systems of oppression that we have
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to dismantle. Understand, James Tallarico is running for Senate because
he wants to dismantle capitalism.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
That ain't Texas. It's nuts.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, Ted, you're right. I want to go back to
the Islamist mention that you just made, though, in New York. Mamdani...
has Kathy Hochul go to some get-together. Now, I grew
up Catholic. I don't know what your religion is. I
grew up Catholic. I'm an Italian guy. You probably grew
up Catholic. I'm not sure what you are now. I'm
a non-denominational Christian. But had somebody come to my house,
we invited them to our house, and showed up dressed
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as a nun, we would have asked them to leave.
Are you stupid? You don't have to dress like a
nun because I'm Catholic. For some reason, Hochul dons the
hijab and goes somewhere to show that she's what? Part
of the Muslim movement? I don't get it. AOC has
done it. Hillary Clinton has done it.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
If you're a dignitary and let's say you bring your
wife and you're going to go visit Saudi Arabia and
they say, while you're here, please wear what's traditional. Maybe
you'll think about doing that. But in New York City,
in New York State, in Texas, we should don traditional
Muslim gear. What are these people doing? Ted, what are
they proving? Hochul doesn't know enough to know that the
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radical leftists in this country would be the first they
would get rid of if Islamists took over. Does she
not get that? Why are they bending the knee to
this movement? I don't get it.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Look, it is power.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
And the Green-Red Alliance, the Islamists and the Marxists, they
come together because they share hatreds. And if you look
at most Democrats, let's take Democrats in the Senate. Most
of the Democrats in the Senate are not themselves Marxists.
They're not themselves Islamists.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
But they're terrified of them because that's the base of
their party. That's where the energy is. That's where the
money is. That's where the young people are. And Mondami...
The Marxists and Islamists are winning primaries. They won three primaries,
beating longtime Democrats in Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
They've won primaries in Colorado. They won the primary in
Michigan with Abdul Al-Sayed. They won a primary in Florida.
They won a primary in Oklahoma, for Pete's sake.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Crazy.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
I mean, this is, and every Democrat, Hochul is terrified
of AOC and Mondami. By the way, Chuck Schumer- Chuck
Schumer cannot win another election in New York.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
He will be primary.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
My prediction is Schumer won't even run because this is
the base of their party now and they have them
held hostage and the rest of them are just desperately,
all they want is power.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Principle doesn't matter to them.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
They don't believe anything except staying in power and these
radicals believe them when they tell you what they want
to do. And listen, as you know, Joe, Marxism for
me and my family, it's not theoretical. We've lived through it.
My family was imprisoned and tortured in Cuba. Communists, let
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me tell you a story from Cuba when Fidel Castro
took over. My grandmother, my abuela, she was a school teacher.
She taught sixth grade in Cuba. And she told me
when I was a little boy about what happened when
Castro took over. And she said, the soldiers came to
the schools and they went into the kindergartens in the
first grades. And they asked all the students, they said,
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close your eyes and pray to Jesus. Pray to Jesus
for candy. And the kids all did so. They opened
their eyes, no candy. The soldiers then told the kids,
close your eyes. Now pray to Fidel Castro candy. The
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kids all did so. And while their eyes were closed,
the soldiers quietly put a piece of candy on every
child's desk.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's so sick, Ted. That is so sick.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
That is communism. They want to destroy your, your loyalty
to anything. They want to destroy any allegiance to God.
They want to destroy any allegiance to family. Communism turns
husband against wife, wife against husband.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
It turns kids against parents.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
It divides your only allegiance is to the all powerful state.
And by the way, understand communism is not about equality
because the leaders live like Kings. Fidel Castro was a billionaire.
Raul Castro, a billionaire. Vladimir Putin is a billionaire. Hugo Chavez,
a billionaire. Nicholas Maduro, a billionaire. Communism is about the
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powerful using guns to rob everyone else and everyone else
is trapped in misery. And these young little Marxists, they
don't know any better. And they're the ones trying to
do that to this country.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
There is much more to that interview. It actually goes
about 36 minutes. Go check it out right now on
my YouTube page. Go to JoePags.com slash YouTube. JoePags.com slash YouTube.
Pags in for Hannity. Back after this.
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Speaker 3 (17:03):
News out of out of massachusetts the judge has sent
the jury home for the day and again they're going
home not sequestered so is this thing isn't over yet
he's not going to take this hung jury thing not
going to take this deadlock thing he wants them to
come to a conclusion in the the Lindsay Clancy case.
And at the end of the day, we all want that,
don't we? A lot of people chomping at the bit,
wanted to get through on this. Go to 800-941-SHAWN, 800-941-7326.
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Get through right now. We'll talk about Clancy. We'll also
talk about what Ted Cruz had to say, the midterms,
and a lot more. Evita Duffy will be on this
program next hour. Do not touch that dial. It's Joe
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JoePaggs.com as well. We'll talk to you in just a bit.
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Speaker 5 (18:15):
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Always an honor to be in for my friend Sean Hannity.
It's Joe Paggian and calling the usual number 800-941-SEAN. 800-941-SHAWN,
7-3-2-6 is how you spell Shawn, along with Linda and
Ethan and my daughter Sam, who's my executive producer on
my show, enjoying my time here with you on a Thursday.
Check my show out. It's on after Shawn on many
of these radio stations based in San Antonio. You can
(18:49):
find us if you look. And at the end of
the day, it's always just a special honor to get
that call from Linda and from Shawn to get something
done here. We're watching what's going on with the Clancy case.
And I intended to talk a lot about the midterms
today because it's really, really important. We always say it's
the most important midterms of our lives. But the Clancy
case has had all sorts of moving parts today, all
(19:09):
sorts of breaking news and developing news. And the latest
is this. The judge has sent the jurors home for
the day. I don't like that they're not sequestered. Doesn't
make any sense to me. I can't wrap my brain
around how they're not sequestered, knowing you've got these pink
shirt wearing nut jobs out front of the courthouse. You've
got people allegedly accosting jurors as they come out at
an obvious door after the day of deliberations. And today,
(19:33):
if you're just joining us, there was a lot of
stuff going on. You had the jury who now for
the third straight day said, we can't come to a verdict.
We can't come to a decision that's unanimous. And they
sent another note to the judge. We assumed it might
have been the lunch order. And then it turned out
it wasn't. It was something more like, hey, can you
explain reasonable doubt again? Or it might've actually said, we've
(19:53):
got one holdout. Now the defense attorney takes advantage of that. Uh,
this guy, Reddington, he stands up and says that we
have to get rid of the one juror and replace
that juror with one of the six alternates. And the
judge rejects that. And I guess Reddington got very animated
in the courtroom. The judge then meets individually with every juror.
It's assumed through our friend Greg Jarrett that the judge
(20:15):
says to the jurors, can you follow the law and
the instructions I've given you? And they appear to all
say yes because he then, I thought he was going
to release, I'll be honest, Linda, did you see, did
you think what I thought that he might have been saying,
that's it, you're hung, it's a mistrial? Because I did
not see him say go back and deliberate again that
he did it.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You know, it's funny. I think that he is of
the opinion that they can get it done. And I
think if I had to, if I had to guess,
I think that they, he wants it to get it
done because he feels like that's what the people should be,
should be do. They should be doing answer. And unfortunately
it may be uncomfortable to be in the position that
they're in. I strongly feel that the jury should have
(20:52):
been sequestered. I don't know why they are exposing them
to all the lunatics that have already judging jury to
the story on social media. Additionally, I was talking to
Ethan about this earlier. I really don't know why more
people aren't discussing the fact that she has never been
clinically diagnosed for postpartum. This is something that Reddington has done.
She has never been diagnosed by a doctor that she
(21:16):
has postpartum disorder. It's not in any of her records.
It's not anywhere in any of the medications that she's
been prescribed that it's because of the postpartum diagnosis she's received.
So as far as I'm concerned, this is her defense
attorney's angle to get her off the hook. And I think,
and this is just my opinion, that Americans in general,
(21:37):
our news is so sanitized. And so we're kept from
what really happened. Perhaps if some of these morons wearing
pink outside and some of the people on the jury...
could see what those children looked like face down with
exercise bands wrapped around their necks, squeezing it down to
within an inch, their last breaths of their life and
a most painful death. Maybe if they saw real images
(21:58):
of that, they would have a different opinion on who
the victims are in this case. Because I'll tell you what,
it sure as hell is not Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I can agree with you more. I think you're absolutely right.
At the end of the day, you've got three dead
kids and she did it. And I'm not saying that
she's criminally responsible for it. We'll find out when the
jury comes back with a verdict. But I also saw
that slick move by Reddington. And for those just joining
us now, again, the show's been on for two and
a half or for an hour and a half. What's
the matter? You can't give us an hour and a
half of your day. At the end of the day,
this Reddington guy is a very, very good lawyer because
(22:27):
he in open court. makes the suggestion, the inference, that
the one holdout is the one that wants to convict her.
And the other 11 all want to let her off.
He doesn't have any clue if that's the case. The
judge doesn't even know what the holdout is, either guilty
or not guilty. So, I mean, Linda, honestly, that was
a very slick move by this guy. He must be
(22:48):
getting paid pretty well.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Never put it past a defense attorney to make you
think that they have all the answers. The only thing
that that guy knows how to do right now is
slam papers. I don't know who has the hot mic
on his desk, but I was talking to Ethan earlier
and I was like, enough with the slamming papers and
the theatrics. Once that defense attorney said, I love her.
She's a wonderful mother. I'm like, okay, listen, do me
(23:13):
a favor, please. There are three children that have lost
their lives at her hands. That actually is not up
for debate. So to say something like she's a wonderful
mother is actually very disgusting.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
She's not a mother anymore.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
She's not a mother. For the rest of your life,
your legacy is going to be that you set precedent
for mothers who murder their children. I'll tell you what,
if she was a man and she had a disorder,
you know where she'd be right now? On death row.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We talked about it earlier.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I know, Sam found that story. There's about 12 others
just like it.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Where was that from?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Was that South Carolina? Where was the guy from?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I forget.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
South Carolina. So this guy faces a jury three hours later,
they're eating dinner. This guy's done five dead children and
he's done because now listen, again, I've got five daughters.
I've got a wife. I've got, I've got three sisters.
I have three sisters. I've got granddaughters, two granddaughters. I
can't imagine not protecting them with every fiber of my being.
(24:07):
I can't imagine it. And then the answer, well, you're
not a woman. You don't know. You didn't go through it. Well,
I've been around pregnant people my entire life. Pregnant women.
I'm not going to say people because they'll think I'm
a trans activist.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Hanging out with Tallarico down there in Texas.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He's just out the road in Austin. But at the
end of the day, you've got people who are family
men who can absolutely say, I'm the protector. I'm the hunter,
the gatherer. This woman sends the husband away. I had
Jennifer Koffendapher on the other day on my show, FBI
former special agent. She said, when you go through exactly
(24:39):
the planning she did to kill them and then making sure,
like monitoring where he is, how long will he be
before he gets back? Talking to him on the phone
after killing the kid. Don't worry, the kids are in
the basement. They're dead. I mean, when you look at that,
you want me to think that some man's voice went
through some hallucination that she was having postpartum psychosis as
she's methodically planning the act? It blows my mind. This
(25:02):
should have been an open and closed case. Have a
nice day. Goodbye. Because if there was an argument about
how they died, I see why we're taking so long.
Nobody argues that she did it. And it blows my mind.
And the whole medication thing, you're so right. They're making
these diagnoses. Coffin Daffer, the other day on my show,
said she's still on most of those medications today.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, supposedly she only had two in her system at
the time of the attack that she did to her children. Now,
I'm not a doctor. I'm glad I'm not a doctor
because our medical system is completely screwed. But putting that
to the side for a hot second, when I talk
about this woman and what she had in her system,
this is a labor and delivery nurse. This is somebody
who went to school and studied medicine, studied nursing, and
(25:43):
was the person typically giving out information about drugs and
care and worked in a hospital. So for her to
now claim ignorance as if she doesn't know what's going
on is a really tall tale. The whole thing is
a tall tale. She's just filled with evil. She's an
evil person. She took the lives of a five, a three,
and an eight-month-old. Sorry, not sorry. Go spend your life
(26:03):
in prison. I hope you get the death sentence. And
then go see, you know, Satan. That's where you belong.
You're a bad person.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It's worth mentioning that the judge gives them the opportunity
to do manslaughter, which makes no sense because, again, there's
a lot of planning here.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Oh my God. I so agree with you on that.
I'm so glad you said that.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
The idea, well, he just wants, he wants a verdict
and I think he wanted to give them an out, uh, but,
but that's not going to work either because somebody still
won't even agree to that, which completely boggles my mind.
Here's somebody who did something heinous who should not be.
I've always had a question about the whole incompetent to
stay in trial. The whole insanity thing doesn't make them
any less dead. It doesn't make them come back. And
(26:40):
if she really was overtaken by some evil hallucinogenic man's voice,
why isn't she weeping her face off in the courtroom
every day? My kids are dead. She's sitting there. She's smiling.
She's talking to the defense attorney. She's having a drink.
I just don't buy it. Sam, you're the younger generation.
Anything on this? When you watch this, what are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I totally agree.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
I think when I see her photos, I just think
that she looks evil.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
She is evil.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
And like we've been saying, if this were a man,
he would be convicted in two hours or less.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I mean, it's a no-brainer.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
As Judge Judy says, it's an easy.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It is an easy, without a doubt. It's 800-941-SHAWN, 800-941-7326.
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doing big numbers today. Let me go to the phone
lines because a lot of people want to be heard
on this. We didn't have time to get to you
in the first hour. Going to be Mark in Tampa, Florida. Mark,
what's going on in line two?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Hi. Hi, Mr. Joe Pags. Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Just a retired dentist here in Florida. Now, we have
a prescription drug monitoring program that, you know, basically classifies
what type of medication you're giving, especially opioids or psychotropic meds,
not only the type, but the dosage, the frequency of
administration and so on. I didn't know how these doctors
didn't communicate to each other. And also, what evidence is
(28:08):
there that she was taking or not taking these medications?
And what influence of compliance or noncompliance did that have?
Those questions didn't seem to be asked.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, I'm with you. And I think that the defense
attorney wants to keep that out. He wants to push
this idea. And thanks for the call, Mark, out of
line two. out of Tampa. It's 800-941-SHAWN. At the end
of the day, it's just a defense. At the end
of the day, it's his way to possibly get her
from having to spend the rest of her life in prison.
I mean, if she goes to some mental institution, it's
not going to be very long and then she'll be
(28:38):
out again. A side note of this story that a
lot of people aren't talking about is that Clancy and
her ex-husband are on a suit. They're both suing for
millions of dollars against the mental health institutions or maybe
whoever was prescribing the drugs. Linda, did you know that
they're on a suit together? This guy who's moved on
and married somebody else?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I did not.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
They want millions of dollars. It's like a joint lawsuit
that they're doing. And they're looking to make millions off
of their dead children. It doesn't mean that he was involved.
It doesn't mean that he did something wrong, like Lisa
Rinna and other idiots will say. It doesn't mean that
he drove her to do this. But I find it
to be very, very odd. If something were to happen,
and it would never happen in my life, anything like this,
(29:22):
the last thing I would do is join my ex-wife
and try to go after somebody for millions of dollars,
as I know she's the one that offed my children.
The whole thing is very sick.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I'm going to give you two pieces of my point
of view on this, So if you can be married
to someone like this, her murdering this, these children, wasn't
the first time you knew that she was evil. That
wasn't your first clue. Um, they had living care. They
had two different nannies. The kids went to school from
eight in the morning till five o'clock at night. They
(29:53):
were five and three.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
And then they have, you know, they had money, they
have family nearby. So you have all of this help
and you are still not able to properly care for
your children. That's not just a her problem. That's a
him problem too. So that means both of them are
in on the Our lives come first. We haven't realized
yet that once you have kids, if you're, in my opinion,
(30:16):
a good parent, your kids come first.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Period.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
End of sentence. 100%. If you haven't learned that lesson,
you're probably not the best parent. So in my opinion,
these guys were probably both not the greatest parents. She
obviously is a lot worse, but it doesn't mean that
he was, you know, winning any Father of the Year awards,
in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Interesting dynamic. I mean, I hadn't even thought about it
that way because as a father, I think about how
I do as a father. I think about how my
wife does as a mother. I think about how my
children do as parents. So I'm with you. I never
thought about that angle of it. I didn't know that
they were out of the house for nine hours a day.
And then they had, you know, in-home care. These people
were busy, obviously, trying to still live their independent lives
away from the fact that they had three kids. And
(30:54):
they kept having kids. But it's not like they had
one and killing one would be too much. But they
had three. They kept on having children. I guess they
thought this cycle would work. Hey, look at us. We're
the perfect family. Let's take some pictures together and then
go live our independent lives. That actually makes me a
little bit more sick. So thanks for bringing that up.
It is 800-941-SHAWN, 800-941-SHAWN. Want to hear from you. Going
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to hit a break here. We come back. A lot
of people are lined up because they want to be
heard on this. Where are you on this case? What
do you think that one juror is holding out? Do
they think not guilty or do they think guilty? I
think it's more likely the one juror is holding out
and they think not guilty. I don't know that. It's
just a guess. But I would think that's more likely
than 11 say she's not guilty and one says she's guilty.
(31:36):
I think that would be odd. Joe Pag's in for
Sean Hannity. We're coming right back.
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Speaker 3 (32:19):
Pags in for Hannity. Got to go to line two.
It's Tom in Florida about the Clancy case. Tom, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Hey, good morning. How you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I'm doing well. Got about a minute for you, Tom.
Make it happen.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Maybe this guy is involved in it. He took advantage
of his wife knowing she's on medication, over-drugged her, got
rid of the kids, remarried. And plus, this lady has
premeditated signs. She was on the computer seeing how far
it takes them to get to places. And places had
stuff that she was looking forward to send them to
go get. Definitely not. I don't think it's all psychosis.
(32:54):
I think it's premeditated some of it as well.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Tom, I appreciate the call. Thanks. Let me let me
answer you this way. And this is truly what I believe.
If he were involved, then she would have said something
by now because her life is on the line. She's
gonna spend the rest of her life behind bars if
they find her guilty. And at this point, he's married
to somebody else, the kids are all gone, there's no
connection there anymore except for the lawsuit, and she doesn't
(33:18):
benefit from the lawsuit if she's in prison. I think
that she would have said something by now had he
been involved. Let me quickly go to Vicki in Oklahoma.
I'm talking 30 seconds, Vicki, but I wanna hear from you,
let's go.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Okay, well, I have one comment or a question.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
If she was so depressed, why didn't she just kill herself?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Vicki, thanks for the call. I mean, that's a very,
very good question. I've often asked this question. When people
do murder-suicide, and allegedly she tried to commit suicide, when
people do that, the question is very simple to me.
Why don't you just take yourself out before you hurt
anybody else who's innocent? And this doesn't mean I want
you to hurt yourself, but if you're going to do
it anyway and you decided that you're going to do it,
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why is it that three little babies have to go too?
And again, she somehow wasn't able to kill herself, although
she was able to strangle the life out of her
three children that she bared, that she bore, right there
in the basement floor. Doesn't make any sense. I'm sickened
by the entire thing. Vicki, great question. I will reject
that he's somehow involved because I think that she would have,
(34:19):
to save her own life, would have said so by now.
Gotta hit a break here. Lots coming next hour, including,
I think Linda saved a dog. We gotta talk about that.
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