September 30, 2026 • 28 mins
Sean goes deeper inside the attempted hijacking of a Tel Aviv-bound passenger jet with Oded Ailam, former head of the Mossad Counterterrorism Division. They examine how passengers fought their way into the cockpit, subdued the attacker and helped regain control after the aircraft plunged roughly 18,000 feet. Later, Home Builders Institute CEO Ed Brady joins Sean to discuss America's shortage of electricians, plumbers, HVAC technicians and other skilled workers, and why the trades could offer a lucrative alternative to the traditional four-year college path.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hour 2, Sean Hannity Show. Thank you, Scott Shannon. Toll free,
our number is 800-941-SEAN if you want to be a
part of the program. Terror in the skies. Israel confirming
the attempted hijacking earlier today. Thankfully thwarted the pilot of
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a passenger plane flying to Israel, stabbed several times by
his co-pilot in the cockpit early Wednesday. The aircraft dropped
18,000 feet. Clearly, they have identified this as a terrorist
attack in midair. It was a fly Dubai Boeing flight
that was supposed to arrive in Tel Aviv from the
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UAE cruising around 34,000 feet. One of the pilots tried
to take control in what Israeli sources now have corroborated
and confirmed an attempted hijacking and one pilot trying to
stab the other. basically an attempt at a 9-11. There
were 174 passengers on board this plane. And, you know,
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they're there during the hijacking of this plane. At that point,
they were able to subdue the terrorists. Now, the prime minister,
Benjamin Netanyahu, by the way, you're in Israel, the greatest
wartime prime minister you're ever going to get. I'm telling you,
he needs to be reelected at the end of October.
But anyway, the prime minister was told how this hero
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put this terrorist pilot in a chokehold, which we talk
a lot about on this program when I talk about
my student time as a mixed martial artist. I do
it for exercise. Anyway, you could see the videos, this
guy's shirt stained in blood, recalling the moment that he
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helped subdue this attacker. I quote, I grabbed the attacker,
put him in a chokehold, pulled him out, meaning choked
him out, he said at one point. I called the
Israelis who were with us, jumped back in and pulled
the controls and started pulling them back. He told Prime
Minister Netanyahu that he had an aviation background. He also
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explained that the pilot who was stabbed was able to
open the door, allowing the passengers to breach the cockpit.
Thank God. And Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke to one of
the Israeli passengers and, you know, an additional flight crew
would happen to be on board this plane, entered the
cockpit and able to manage. They managed to stabilize the aircraft.
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Every one of these people, the hero in this case,
the co-pilot is from Oman. And right now, passengers, they
landed safely in Saudi Arabia. Now they're they're back with
their loved ones. Thank God. But this hero, you know,
passenger was able to subdue this guy. It's really, really
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scary in so many different ways. Oded Aylam is with us,
former head of the Mossad Counterterrorism Division, senior researcher, Jerusalem
Center for Security and Foreign Affairs, here to discuss this hijacking.
First of all, thank God. This was not successful. You know,
thank God there were brave people on that plane that
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fought back. Very reminiscent of Flight 93 that went down
in that field in Pennsylvania on 9-11. But they, you know,
Todd Beamer, let's roll. They brushed the cockpit. In this case, though,
they were able to keep that plane in the air,
even though it had plunged 18,000 feet. A lot of
heroism going on up there.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
First of all, thank you for having me on your show.
It was a mixture of miracle and heroism. And miracle
because there were so many times the airplane was about
to crash during the ordeal. And heroism is the heroism
and bravery of few Israeli passengers that together had managed
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to penetrate the cockpit and get hold of the co-pilot
and manage also to to get some British pilots that
were on the flights in order to retain and to
regain the stability of the airplane and to land it safely.
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By the way, when he dived around 20,000 feet in
one minute, he lost part of his tail. And so
the ordeal of getting this airplane safely To land safely
is also somewhat of a bravery as well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, I mean, thank God this plane just happened to
have pilots on it. And thank God they were able
to get control of that plane. My understanding is, too,
that they lost the rudder, which makes it that much
more difficult. Part of the rudders, which makes it that
much more difficult, you know, to control that aircraft, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Absolutely. And by the way, one of the guys who
actually entered first into the cockpit during this horrific dive
said that he was watching frequently air crash investigation show
on National Geographic. And he also pulled the stick. He
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knew how to do it. So it's a good thing
to watch the show.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, obviously, when you say pull the stick, wouldn't it
be like, it's sort of like a racing steering wheel,
isn't it, in the cockpit, and you just pull back
on it, and it goes, and you ascend versus descend?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, I'm not a pilot, so I don't want to
go into, I can go into details, but from what
he described, he took control of of the stick and
managed to stabilize the dive into a more stable condition
until the two other pilots had penetrated the cockpit. I
want to say one thing about the whole incident. There were,
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since 1982, eight different events where pilots in civil airlines
had tried to commit suicide and to crash the aircraft.
It happened eight times, by the way, since 1982, the
first one was Japanese airline. The last one, in fact,
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was Indian airline about a year ago. But as far
as we know, it's the first time that actually it's
a suicide attempt pilot trying to crash as a terror act.
It happened only once, but never confirmed in 1999 with
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the Egypt Air 1990, where the first officer, Jamil al-Batouti,
had did almost the same thing that we have seen here,
and 217 passengers crashed off the coast of Massachusetts. But
since then, we don't recall any incident of a terror
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in that case. Maybe some stress, some problems with the
pilots and so on, but not as a terror. This is,
I would say, the first act that is deliberately a
terror attack, and it will have to change the whole
concept of civil aviation security, because during all the years,
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we created a safe inside the cockpit against the external threats,
but we haven't really noticed and gave a serious thinking
about internal threats, and this will definitely have to be
changed because of what we have seen today.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know, it just is chilling. I wonder if moving
forward in this, it would be for Israel and for
the United States. And maybe, not maybe, I know you
know more than I do. I mean, you're the former
head of the Mossad Counterterrorism Division, senior researcher for the
Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs. You know, what's
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amazing to me, if you go back to being able
and Israel's intelligence capabilities and taking out not only the
first tier of leadership in Iran, but the second tier
and most of the third tier in Iran and taking
out their their air defense systems and having free reign
over the skies and the Hamas pager incident and with
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pinpoint accuracy targeting Iran. you know, the top eight or
nine leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah and all these organizations,
your country has, what, a population of less than 9
million people. That's why I try to put perspective on
October 7th. It's nearly the third anniversary. Based on your
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population size compared to ours, that's the equivalent of 40,000
dead Americans in a day, never mind the kidnapping, the rape,
the torture and beheading. And I've seen those videos.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, you are absolutely right regarding it. I don't think
any country in the world would have tolerated such a
horrific event that it almost mesmerized you in the horrific
scenery and picture and brutality that we have seen. Those
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people entered Israel on only one purpose, to intimidate and
to bring to the collapse of the whole Zionism in Israel.
And they failed mainly because of the Israeli IDF and
the resilience of the Israeli people and the knowledge that
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we have no other alternative but to defend ourselves. Now,
regarding the intelligence and the Mossad, which I served 24
years in that, the Mossad was not a part of
Gaza since the Mossad was not dealing with Gaza itself.
It was the internal security service, the SIMBED. Nevertheless, all
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the security agencies had learned not to rely on technology,
but also to rely on human resources. And I think
this is one of the major consequences and the major
lessons that we have learned from the 7th of October.
And it's extremely important for America and Israel as well,
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intelligence services to know the limits of technology and to
understand that only the combination between human forces, the old
spy and technology can prevail and provide you the security
that you need.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'm not sure how aware you are of it, but
I can tell you, you see this worldwide rise of anti-Semitism.
I see it here in the U.S. and it repulses me.
And that's in the halls of Congress. It's on college campuses.
It's on the airwaves. But again, worldwide, I mean, when
Western European countries won't join with America and Israel in
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fighting and making sure Iran never gets a nuclear weapon,
if you don't have that basic level of moral clarity,
You're doomed in my view. You are just capitulating to
evil at that point. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I agree with every single word you said. Every single word.
The West is not willing to fight for its moral obligation.
The West is not willing to fight for its security.
The West is weak. The West is reluctant in engaging
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in any sort of of understanding what is the essence
of jihad and what is the essence of the fundamental Muslim.
And they think, yeah, that's not our business. Let's let
the Israelis and the Americans do our job.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, how's that working out in Europe? Yeah, where Sharia
courts now exist in Great Britain and no-go zones exist
in France and other parts of Europe. They've let their
defenses down. They've embraced radical socialism and climate alarmism. And
they've had unfettered illegal immigration with no assimilation. That's pretty dumb,
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in my humble opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And absolutely. And let's not forget the whole anti-Semitism is
financed by Qatar. It's financed by Saudi Arabia. It's not
a standalone. It's not that people... storm the streets with
shouting all sorts of slogans against the Israelis and against Jews.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That's not mistaken. Somebody behind it is financing that. Somebody
is driving it. We see Qatar doing that for years
after years, engaging in all sorts of legitimate business, legitimate university,
Ivy League university, actually buying off politicians who buying off
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a prominent influencer, and the outcome is what we have seen. Remember,
on October 8th were the first huge demonstrations around the
world where the babies were still lying slain in Be'eri
and in Nahal Oz, there was huge demonstration for free Palestine,
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Israelis committing genocide. There wasn't even a single Israeli soldier
in Gaza at that time. And, of course, the lie
about starvation and so on.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, all the humanitarian money was spent on terror tunnels
and rockets and munitions. And they would often use the
people in Gaza as human shields, firing their weapons into Israel,
their missiles into Israel. I just have to run because
of the constraints of time. But Oded Aylem, thank God
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these brave people showed up today in the air and
they saved 174 souls on board. We appreciate your time,
your expertise. Thank you so much for being with us. 800-941-SHAWN,
our number. You want to be a part of the program.
Quick break. Right back. We'll continue on the other side.
I have been talking for quite a while on this
program about the next generation of millionaires. And I read
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an article today that there are more women going into
skilled trades, plumbers, electricians, whatever the skilled trade is. More
and more, these kids go to school. And they come
out with, I'm going to be blunt, worthless degrees. What
do I mean by a worthless degree? They spent most
of their four years in college hanging out at a
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frat house, going to frat parties and sorority parties and
hanging out at the local, you know, watering hole and
whatever college town or city kids happen to be in.
What are they really learning? What degree, what is their
degree doing to prepare them for life? It's like four
years of adult babysitting for a lot of kids. They're
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not learning practical skills that will help them in their
lives and in their career. It's fascinating because I talk
to tradespeople all the time and they're doing really well.
I'm just telling you that there's a change in the
economy that is coming. And we've now seen this shift
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in the economy that if you look at where the
economy is heading, AI infrastructure and the surge and data centers,
and you keep hearing about it, well, that's driving up
massive competition for electricians and HVAC technicians and plumbers. We
have a housing shortage, a real risk. You know, I'm
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told we're down millions of homes in terms of what
the needs are of people around the country. And I'm
just saying that there is another option. And again, I
don't think we are focusing our kids. We're just so
dialed in. And I was the same myself. Anyway, Ed
Brady's with us, president, CEO of the Home Builders Institute. Sir,
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welcome to the program. Google, for example, a million dollar
investment in the Home Builders Institute does underscore a critical reality.
We can't build these data centers or solve the housing
crisis without expanding the skilled trade talent pool. Anyway, sir,
welcome to the program. Is there anything I'm saying here
that's wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Thank you, Sean, for having me. Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I should just let you keep talking because you are
our commercial at the Home Builders Institute. We provide skilled
training for young people that don't have opportunities, don't see
light at the end of the tunnel, don't have a
career path that is viable. Many of them went to
college for two years, college debt, come out with no
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degree and can't find a job.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And no practical skill set. I mean, their real education
will begin when they get hired on their first job.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
That's right. I started as a carpenter.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Like you, I learned more on the job site than.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I learned in college.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
And I'm not putting down college for a lot of people.
We need lawyers and doctors and and scientists and so forth.
But we're offering HBI a opportunity to build a career path.
And we're giving opportunity. Google's money, the Home Depot has
funded us for eight years now. We're giving people opportunities
that they would not otherwise have. We're giving veterans, transitioning military...
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We just did a program with unhoused veterans in Phoenix.
Eleven of them started. Friday finished the job. Unhoused veterans
with U.S. vets. And on Monday, they each had a
job and a career path, a hope. And so the
need is there. 300,000 empty jobs in this industry today.
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The desire of many, many young people to get a meaningful,
practical job. career path is there and we need to
meet that demand and Google's funding and many of the
large corporations that you've talked about that have to build
data centers and have to build housing for their employees
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are starting to pay attention that we don't have enough
skilled labor in this country to build the future of America.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So what I learned in the 10 years that I
was in the restaurant business, 12 starting washing dishes in
a busy place by hand and 13, I became a cook,
believe it or not. And I'm not just talking about
like burgers and fries. I was cooking, you know, seafood
fra diavolo and shrimp scampi and fettuccine Alfredo and live
stuffed lobster and steaks and burgers, all of it together.
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And then becoming a bus boy and learning to run.
I literally could run with one of those waiter trays,
you know, like a maniac because the restaurants I worked
in were so busy. Then learning to 10 bar. Made
a lot of money. But I mean, from the moment
I started working to the moment I closed down that
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bar and locked that door, I was running most of
the night. And then when I got into the trades,
I was a painter and then I learned how to
hang wallpaper. and then I started to do framing, and
I was going to school, actually, Rhode Island Technical Institute
to learn how to build homes. And for people that
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get up every day and have nothing to do, I
can't imagine... Where do they get their sense of accomplishment
from if you do nothing? I can't think of anything
worse than having nothing to do when you wake up.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
So I was a builder for 30 years, and the
proudest moments I had was leaving the job site at
the end of the day, turning around and seeing what
we accomplished, right?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Isn't that cool? It's such a good feeling.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's such a good feeling.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
You look at young people, and they have smiles on
their face when they're building with Legos, and they're showing
what they produced, and And what we're teaching and what
this country needs and this young generation need is a
purpose in life, something that they're fulfilling. And we're, the
old cliche, you know, we're teaching, you talk about cooking,
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we're teaching people.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
To fish and not giving them fish.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
As you worked your.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Way through college or worked in restaurants and in the trades,
you You earned everything that you had, and we're giving
people the opportunity to earn it. But they have to
buy into it. They have to put the hard work.
It's not a free lunch, if you will. And so
we're teaching people to fish instead of just handing out fish.
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And we're making, you said it earlier, we're building the
next generation of millionaires I'm training today. I truly believe this.
I'm training today the electricians that will be working on
data centers in space, that will be building infrastructure that
we can't even imagine today. And that's the opportunity we're
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given at HBI, and that's the resources we need to
scale up what we're doing, or else we will be behind.
Other countries. We will be behind the industrial revolution, the
new industrial revolution. If we don't have skilled trades, you
can't find a plumber to come fix your leak at
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two in the morning. And AI is not going to
take care of that. So we have to build this
next generation or we're going to get behind the eight ball.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
All right, quick break. We'll come back. The economy shifting
and changing advice you may want to give your kids
or yourself. Ed Brady with us, president, CEO of the
Home Builders Institute. I've read so many articles now about
the next generation of millionaires. They're going to be tradespeople.
Pay attention to this. Quick break, right back, and your calls,
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and Newt Gingrich coming up straight ahead. All right, I'll
find a moment. Ed Brady, CEO of the Home Builders Institute.
You may want to think about the next generation of
millionaires will be tradespeople. Try and get one. Try and
hire one. Good luck. I've had issues with my air
conditioning unit. And I'm not kidding around. Just to get
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somebody to come over and fix it. I mean, it's
not a matter of the cost at that point. It's
a matter of survival. You know, when it's a hot
day in the summer in Florida, it's like, I need
this unit fixed. And air conditioning is not something that
I ever, electrical plumbing, air conditioning, I never touched in
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my life. So I wasn't really good at that. And
it's hard to get the right person. And by the way,
you're going to pay whatever you have to pay at
that point. And by the way, you do pay. You're
not going to get anybody cheap when it comes to
fixing something complicated in your house. I've recently had plumbing work,
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electrical work done. I'm looking at the bills. I'm like, oh,
my gosh. I'm not begrudging these guys. That's what their
going rate is. But it's rough.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
And as you said, you're waiting two or three weeks
to get them there to look at what your problem is.
They send you a bill for $ 250 just to show up.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And then $ 250, not where I'm living in Florida. Forget it.
That would be cheap.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, that's just to show up.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And then they charge $ 750 to fix the faucet.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I know.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Look.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You know what, though? You know, I gave advice to
somebody recently. I said, I want you to go spend
a day, two days, and go to every building location
you see in your town. And I said, I want
you to walk up and say, you know, is the
foreman here? Is the owner here? Is the contractor here?
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I'd like to talk to him. And then just say, sir,
I'll sweep floors. I'll do whatever you want. I want
to learn a trade. Now, I guarantee that guy is
going to look at that kid or that individual and say, huh,
this does not happen every day. And probably the odds
are high. You go to enough places. You're going to
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get hired in two days. Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
No, you're not wrong. People are starving for the skilled
labor in this country. We're losing more than are coming
into the industry. People are turning away jobs. We don't
have enough contractors, number one, and we don't have enough
skilled labor to work for contractors, and they're turning away.
That's why you can't find somebody to do your bathroom
remodel because they're turning away because we don't have the
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skilled labor to provide those services. And so if you're looking...
And you're stuck.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
You don't have an idea where you want to go.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Look at the skilled trades. Look at this opportunity. Because
in two or three years, you're making six-figure income. And
in two or three years, you can own your own business.
And isn't that part of the.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
American dream is owning your own business, hiring the peers
that you.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Worked with or you trained with? and owning your own
business and becoming an entrepreneur. We need more of.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Those, but we have to fill the pipeline.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
So for 30 years, when I was in high school,
the alternative education was the trades. And we have accentuated
that for 30 years by saying everybody's got to go
to college. The trades are the first choice for so
many young people that don't have the opportunity to investigate
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in it, to learn about it, And look, I.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Was a builder.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I had a bunch of land. I had to have
land so I could build the next set of houses.
My contractors had the boats, had the toys, had the
second homes.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So if I went to do it all over again,
bless my dad, rest in peace, I would be an HVAC.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Contractor, an electrical contractor, because it's not capital intensive.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
You don't have to have a ton of money to
get into the business.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You have opportunities to be your own entrepreneur and control of.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Your own destiny.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And we've got to educate people to that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
We've got to change the perception of the trades. For
30 years, everybody had to go to college. How is
that panned out?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Look at the college debt that we have.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Look at the people out there without degrees that can't
find a good-paying job. You graduate from high school today
with a pre-apprenticeship certificate. You go into an apprenticeship.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I just had somebody tell me yesterday.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
We had two apprenticeships placed.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I hate to interrupt you, but I'm just running out
of time. I do appreciate it. Listen, if people want
to contact you, how can they do that?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, go to hbi.org, hbi.org.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
If we don't have a program, you'll have a map
on that site. You're looking for a program, go to there.
If we don't have one, we'll try and hook you
up with a program in your area.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So go to hbi.org.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
All right, appreciate it. Ed, thank you very much. Ed
Brady is the CEO of the Home Builders Institute. Just
an option. I'm just telling you, you may want to
guide your kids differently than is conventional.
Hour 2, Sean Hannity Show. Thank you, Scott Shannon. Toll free,
our number is 800-941-SEAN if you want to be a
part of the program. Terror in the skies. Israel confirming
the attempted hijacking earlier today. Thankfully thwarted the pilot of
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a passenger plane flying to Israel, stabbed several times by
his co-pilot in the cockpit early Wednesday. The aircraft dropped
18,000 feet. Clearly, they have identified this as a terrorist
attack in midair. It was a fly Dubai Boeing flight
that was supposed to arrive in Tel Aviv from the
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UAE cruising around 34,000 feet. One of the pilots tried
to take control in what Israeli sources now have corroborated
and confirmed an attempted hijacking and one pilot trying to
stab the other. basically an attempt at a 9-11. There
were 174 passengers on board this plane. And, you know,
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they're there during the hijacking of this plane. At that point,
they were able to subdue the terrorists. Now, the prime minister,
Benjamin Netanyahu, by the way, you're in Israel, the greatest
wartime prime minister you're ever going to get. I'm telling you,
he needs to be reelected at the end of October.
But anyway, the prime minister was told how this hero
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put this terrorist pilot in a chokehold, which we talk
a lot about on this program when I talk about
my student time as a mixed martial artist. I do
it for exercise. Anyway, you could see the videos, this
guy's shirt stained in blood, recalling the moment that he
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helped subdue this attacker. I quote, I grabbed the attacker,
put him in a chokehold, pulled him out, meaning choked
him out, he said at one point. I called the
Israelis who were with us, jumped back in and pulled
the controls and started pulling them back. He told Prime
Minister Netanyahu that he had an aviation background. He also
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explained that the pilot who was stabbed was able to
open the door, allowing the passengers to breach the cockpit.
Thank God. And Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke to one of
the Israeli passengers and, you know, an additional flight crew
would happen to be on board this plane, entered the
cockpit and able to manage. They managed to stabilize the aircraft.
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Every one of these people, the hero in this case,
the co-pilot is from Oman. And right now, passengers, they
landed safely in Saudi Arabia. Now they're they're back with
their loved ones. Thank God. But this hero, you know,
passenger was able to subdue this guy. It's really, really
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scary in so many different ways. Oded Aylam is with us,
former head of the Mossad Counterterrorism Division, senior researcher, Jerusalem
Center for Security and Foreign Affairs, here to discuss this hijacking.
First of all, thank God. This was not successful. You know,
thank God there were brave people on that plane that
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fought back. Very reminiscent of Flight 93 that went down
in that field in Pennsylvania on 9-11. But they, you know,
Todd Beamer, let's roll. They brushed the cockpit. In this case, though,
they were able to keep that plane in the air,
even though it had plunged 18,000 feet. A lot of
heroism going on up there.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
First of all, thank you for having me on your show.
It was a mixture of miracle and heroism. And miracle
because there were so many times the airplane was about
to crash during the ordeal. And heroism is the heroism
and bravery of few Israeli passengers that together had managed
(04:02):
to penetrate the cockpit and get hold of the co-pilot
and manage also to to get some British pilots that
were on the flights in order to retain and to
regain the stability of the airplane and to land it safely.
(04:24):
By the way, when he dived around 20,000 feet in
one minute, he lost part of his tail. And so
the ordeal of getting this airplane safely To land safely
is also somewhat of a bravery as well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, I mean, thank God this plane just happened to
have pilots on it. And thank God they were able
to get control of that plane. My understanding is, too,
that they lost the rudder, which makes it that much
more difficult. Part of the rudders, which makes it that
much more difficult, you know, to control that aircraft, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Absolutely. And by the way, one of the guys who
actually entered first into the cockpit during this horrific dive
said that he was watching frequently air crash investigation show
on National Geographic. And he also pulled the stick. He
(05:26):
knew how to do it. So it's a good thing
to watch the show.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, obviously, when you say pull the stick, wouldn't it
be like, it's sort of like a racing steering wheel,
isn't it, in the cockpit, and you just pull back
on it, and it goes, and you ascend versus descend?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, I'm not a pilot, so I don't want to
go into, I can go into details, but from what
he described, he took control of of the stick and
managed to stabilize the dive into a more stable condition
until the two other pilots had penetrated the cockpit. I
want to say one thing about the whole incident. There were,
(06:09):
since 1982, eight different events where pilots in civil airlines
had tried to commit suicide and to crash the aircraft.
It happened eight times, by the way, since 1982, the
first one was Japanese airline. The last one, in fact,
(06:30):
was Indian airline about a year ago. But as far
as we know, it's the first time that actually it's
a suicide attempt pilot trying to crash as a terror act.
It happened only once, but never confirmed in 1999 with
(06:53):
the Egypt Air 1990, where the first officer, Jamil al-Batouti,
had did almost the same thing that we have seen here,
and 217 passengers crashed off the coast of Massachusetts. But
since then, we don't recall any incident of a terror
(07:15):
in that case. Maybe some stress, some problems with the
pilots and so on, but not as a terror. This is,
I would say, the first act that is deliberately a
terror attack, and it will have to change the whole
concept of civil aviation security, because during all the years,
(07:41):
we created a safe inside the cockpit against the external threats,
but we haven't really noticed and gave a serious thinking
about internal threats, and this will definitely have to be
changed because of what we have seen today.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know, it just is chilling. I wonder if moving
forward in this, it would be for Israel and for
the United States. And maybe, not maybe, I know you
know more than I do. I mean, you're the former
head of the Mossad Counterterrorism Division, senior researcher for the
Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs. You know, what's
(08:24):
amazing to me, if you go back to being able
and Israel's intelligence capabilities and taking out not only the
first tier of leadership in Iran, but the second tier
and most of the third tier in Iran and taking
out their their air defense systems and having free reign
over the skies and the Hamas pager incident and with
(08:48):
pinpoint accuracy targeting Iran. you know, the top eight or
nine leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah and all these organizations,
your country has, what, a population of less than 9
million people. That's why I try to put perspective on
October 7th. It's nearly the third anniversary. Based on your
(09:09):
population size compared to ours, that's the equivalent of 40,000
dead Americans in a day, never mind the kidnapping, the rape,
the torture and beheading. And I've seen those videos.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, you are absolutely right regarding it. I don't think
any country in the world would have tolerated such a
horrific event that it almost mesmerized you in the horrific
scenery and picture and brutality that we have seen. Those
(09:43):
people entered Israel on only one purpose, to intimidate and
to bring to the collapse of the whole Zionism in Israel.
And they failed mainly because of the Israeli IDF and
the resilience of the Israeli people and the knowledge that
(10:08):
we have no other alternative but to defend ourselves. Now,
regarding the intelligence and the Mossad, which I served 24
years in that, the Mossad was not a part of
Gaza since the Mossad was not dealing with Gaza itself.
It was the internal security service, the SIMBED. Nevertheless, all
(10:31):
the security agencies had learned not to rely on technology,
but also to rely on human resources. And I think
this is one of the major consequences and the major
lessons that we have learned from the 7th of October.
And it's extremely important for America and Israel as well,
(10:55):
intelligence services to know the limits of technology and to
understand that only the combination between human forces, the old
spy and technology can prevail and provide you the security
that you need.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'm not sure how aware you are of it, but
I can tell you, you see this worldwide rise of anti-Semitism.
I see it here in the U.S. and it repulses me.
And that's in the halls of Congress. It's on college campuses.
It's on the airwaves. But again, worldwide, I mean, when
Western European countries won't join with America and Israel in
(11:37):
fighting and making sure Iran never gets a nuclear weapon,
if you don't have that basic level of moral clarity,
You're doomed in my view. You are just capitulating to
evil at that point. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I agree with every single word you said. Every single word.
The West is not willing to fight for its moral obligation.
The West is not willing to fight for its security.
The West is weak. The West is reluctant in engaging
(12:12):
in any sort of of understanding what is the essence
of jihad and what is the essence of the fundamental Muslim.
And they think, yeah, that's not our business. Let's let
the Israelis and the Americans do our job.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, how's that working out in Europe? Yeah, where Sharia
courts now exist in Great Britain and no-go zones exist
in France and other parts of Europe. They've let their
defenses down. They've embraced radical socialism and climate alarmism. And
they've had unfettered illegal immigration with no assimilation. That's pretty dumb,
(12:51):
in my humble opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And absolutely. And let's not forget the whole anti-Semitism is
financed by Qatar. It's financed by Saudi Arabia. It's not
a standalone. It's not that people... storm the streets with
shouting all sorts of slogans against the Israelis and against Jews.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That's not mistaken. Somebody behind it is financing that. Somebody
is driving it. We see Qatar doing that for years
after years, engaging in all sorts of legitimate business, legitimate university,
Ivy League university, actually buying off politicians who buying off
(13:36):
a prominent influencer, and the outcome is what we have seen. Remember,
on October 8th were the first huge demonstrations around the
world where the babies were still lying slain in Be'eri
and in Nahal Oz, there was huge demonstration for free Palestine,
(13:59):
Israelis committing genocide. There wasn't even a single Israeli soldier
in Gaza at that time. And, of course, the lie
about starvation and so on.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, all the humanitarian money was spent on terror tunnels
and rockets and munitions. And they would often use the
people in Gaza as human shields, firing their weapons into Israel,
their missiles into Israel. I just have to run because
of the constraints of time. But Oded Aylem, thank God
(14:33):
these brave people showed up today in the air and
they saved 174 souls on board. We appreciate your time,
your expertise. Thank you so much for being with us. 800-941-SHAWN,
our number. You want to be a part of the program.
Quick break. Right back. We'll continue on the other side.
I have been talking for quite a while on this
program about the next generation of millionaires. And I read
(14:58):
an article today that there are more women going into
skilled trades, plumbers, electricians, whatever the skilled trade is. More
and more, these kids go to school. And they come
out with, I'm going to be blunt, worthless degrees. What
do I mean by a worthless degree? They spent most
of their four years in college hanging out at a
(15:19):
frat house, going to frat parties and sorority parties and
hanging out at the local, you know, watering hole and
whatever college town or city kids happen to be in.
What are they really learning? What degree, what is their
degree doing to prepare them for life? It's like four
years of adult babysitting for a lot of kids. They're
(15:40):
not learning practical skills that will help them in their
lives and in their career. It's fascinating because I talk
to tradespeople all the time and they're doing really well.
I'm just telling you that there's a change in the
economy that is coming. And we've now seen this shift
(16:01):
in the economy that if you look at where the
economy is heading, AI infrastructure and the surge and data centers,
and you keep hearing about it, well, that's driving up
massive competition for electricians and HVAC technicians and plumbers. We
have a housing shortage, a real risk. You know, I'm
(16:22):
told we're down millions of homes in terms of what
the needs are of people around the country. And I'm
just saying that there is another option. And again, I
don't think we are focusing our kids. We're just so
dialed in. And I was the same myself. Anyway, Ed
Brady's with us, president, CEO of the Home Builders Institute. Sir,
(16:44):
welcome to the program. Google, for example, a million dollar
investment in the Home Builders Institute does underscore a critical reality.
We can't build these data centers or solve the housing
crisis without expanding the skilled trade talent pool. Anyway, sir,
welcome to the program. Is there anything I'm saying here
that's wrong?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Thank you, Sean, for having me. Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I should just let you keep talking because you are
our commercial at the Home Builders Institute. We provide skilled
training for young people that don't have opportunities, don't see
light at the end of the tunnel, don't have a
career path that is viable. Many of them went to
college for two years, college debt, come out with no
(17:27):
degree and can't find a job.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And no practical skill set. I mean, their real education
will begin when they get hired on their first job.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
That's right. I started as a carpenter.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Like you, I learned more on the job site than.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I learned in college.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
And I'm not putting down college for a lot of people.
We need lawyers and doctors and and scientists and so forth.
But we're offering HBI a opportunity to build a career path.
And we're giving opportunity. Google's money, the Home Depot has
funded us for eight years now. We're giving people opportunities
that they would not otherwise have. We're giving veterans, transitioning military...
(18:10):
We just did a program with unhoused veterans in Phoenix.
Eleven of them started. Friday finished the job. Unhoused veterans
with U.S. vets. And on Monday, they each had a
job and a career path, a hope. And so the
need is there. 300,000 empty jobs in this industry today.
(18:31):
The desire of many, many young people to get a meaningful,
practical job. career path is there and we need to
meet that demand and Google's funding and many of the
large corporations that you've talked about that have to build
data centers and have to build housing for their employees
(18:52):
are starting to pay attention that we don't have enough
skilled labor in this country to build the future of America.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So what I learned in the 10 years that I
was in the restaurant business, 12 starting washing dishes in
a busy place by hand and 13, I became a cook,
believe it or not. And I'm not just talking about
like burgers and fries. I was cooking, you know, seafood
fra diavolo and shrimp scampi and fettuccine Alfredo and live
stuffed lobster and steaks and burgers, all of it together.
(19:21):
And then becoming a bus boy and learning to run.
I literally could run with one of those waiter trays,
you know, like a maniac because the restaurants I worked
in were so busy. Then learning to 10 bar. Made
a lot of money. But I mean, from the moment
I started working to the moment I closed down that
(19:42):
bar and locked that door, I was running most of
the night. And then when I got into the trades,
I was a painter and then I learned how to
hang wallpaper. and then I started to do framing, and
I was going to school, actually, Rhode Island Technical Institute
to learn how to build homes. And for people that
(20:03):
get up every day and have nothing to do, I
can't imagine... Where do they get their sense of accomplishment
from if you do nothing? I can't think of anything
worse than having nothing to do when you wake up.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
So I was a builder for 30 years, and the
proudest moments I had was leaving the job site at
the end of the day, turning around and seeing what
we accomplished, right?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Isn't that cool? It's such a good feeling.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's such a good feeling.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
You look at young people, and they have smiles on
their face when they're building with Legos, and they're showing
what they produced, and And what we're teaching and what
this country needs and this young generation need is a
purpose in life, something that they're fulfilling. And we're, the
old cliche, you know, we're teaching, you talk about cooking,
(20:48):
we're teaching people.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
To fish and not giving them fish.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
As you worked your.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Way through college or worked in restaurants and in the trades,
you You earned everything that you had, and we're giving
people the opportunity to earn it. But they have to
buy into it. They have to put the hard work.
It's not a free lunch, if you will. And so
we're teaching people to fish instead of just handing out fish.
(21:14):
And we're making, you said it earlier, we're building the
next generation of millionaires I'm training today. I truly believe this.
I'm training today the electricians that will be working on
data centers in space, that will be building infrastructure that
we can't even imagine today. And that's the opportunity we're
(21:35):
given at HBI, and that's the resources we need to
scale up what we're doing, or else we will be behind.
Other countries. We will be behind the industrial revolution, the
new industrial revolution. If we don't have skilled trades, you
can't find a plumber to come fix your leak at
(21:56):
two in the morning. And AI is not going to
take care of that. So we have to build this
next generation or we're going to get behind the eight ball.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
All right, quick break. We'll come back. The economy shifting
and changing advice you may want to give your kids
or yourself. Ed Brady with us, president, CEO of the
Home Builders Institute. I've read so many articles now about
the next generation of millionaires. They're going to be tradespeople.
Pay attention to this. Quick break, right back, and your calls,
(22:24):
and Newt Gingrich coming up straight ahead. All right, I'll
find a moment. Ed Brady, CEO of the Home Builders Institute.
You may want to think about the next generation of
millionaires will be tradespeople. Try and get one. Try and
hire one. Good luck. I've had issues with my air
conditioning unit. And I'm not kidding around. Just to get
(22:47):
somebody to come over and fix it. I mean, it's
not a matter of the cost at that point. It's
a matter of survival. You know, when it's a hot
day in the summer in Florida, it's like, I need
this unit fixed. And air conditioning is not something that
I ever, electrical plumbing, air conditioning, I never touched in
(23:08):
my life. So I wasn't really good at that. And
it's hard to get the right person. And by the way,
you're going to pay whatever you have to pay at
that point. And by the way, you do pay. You're
not going to get anybody cheap when it comes to
fixing something complicated in your house. I've recently had plumbing work,
(23:31):
electrical work done. I'm looking at the bills. I'm like, oh,
my gosh. I'm not begrudging these guys. That's what their
going rate is. But it's rough.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
And as you said, you're waiting two or three weeks
to get them there to look at what your problem is.
They send you a bill for $ 250 just to show up.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And then $ 250, not where I'm living in Florida. Forget it.
That would be cheap.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, that's just to show up.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And then they charge $ 750 to fix the faucet.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I know.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Look.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
You know what, though? You know, I gave advice to
somebody recently. I said, I want you to go spend
a day, two days, and go to every building location
you see in your town. And I said, I want
you to walk up and say, you know, is the
foreman here? Is the owner here? Is the contractor here?
(24:25):
I'd like to talk to him. And then just say, sir,
I'll sweep floors. I'll do whatever you want. I want
to learn a trade. Now, I guarantee that guy is
going to look at that kid or that individual and say, huh,
this does not happen every day. And probably the odds
are high. You go to enough places. You're going to
(24:48):
get hired in two days. Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
No, you're not wrong. People are starving for the skilled
labor in this country. We're losing more than are coming
into the industry. People are turning away jobs. We don't
have enough contractors, number one, and we don't have enough
skilled labor to work for contractors, and they're turning away.
That's why you can't find somebody to do your bathroom
remodel because they're turning away because we don't have the
(25:13):
skilled labor to provide those services. And so if you're looking...
And you're stuck.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
You don't have an idea where you want to go.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Look at the skilled trades. Look at this opportunity. Because
in two or three years, you're making six-figure income. And
in two or three years, you can own your own business.
And isn't that part of the.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
American dream is owning your own business, hiring the peers
that you.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Worked with or you trained with? and owning your own
business and becoming an entrepreneur. We need more of.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Those, but we have to fill the pipeline.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
So for 30 years, when I was in high school,
the alternative education was the trades. And we have accentuated
that for 30 years by saying everybody's got to go
to college. The trades are the first choice for so
many young people that don't have the opportunity to investigate
(26:10):
in it, to learn about it, And look, I.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Was a builder.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I had a bunch of land. I had to have
land so I could build the next set of houses.
My contractors had the boats, had the toys, had the
second homes.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So if I went to do it all over again,
bless my dad, rest in peace, I would be an HVAC.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Contractor, an electrical contractor, because it's not capital intensive.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
You don't have to have a ton of money to
get into the business.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You have opportunities to be your own entrepreneur and control of.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Your own destiny.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And we've got to educate people to that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
We've got to change the perception of the trades. For
30 years, everybody had to go to college. How is
that panned out?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Look at the college debt that we have.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Look at the people out there without degrees that can't
find a good-paying job. You graduate from high school today
with a pre-apprenticeship certificate. You go into an apprenticeship.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I just had somebody tell me yesterday.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
We had two apprenticeships placed.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I hate to interrupt you, but I'm just running out
of time. I do appreciate it. Listen, if people want
to contact you, how can they do that?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, go to hbi.org, hbi.org.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
If we don't have a program, you'll have a map
on that site. You're looking for a program, go to there.
If we don't have one, we'll try and hook you
up with a program in your area.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
So go to hbi.org.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
All right, appreciate it. Ed, thank you very much. Ed
Brady is the CEO of the Home Builders Institute. Just
an option. I'm just telling you, you may want to
guide your kids differently than is conventional.
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