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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That day changed so many people's lives, including my own,
in terms of how I view the world and the
urgency of the moment. You know, if you're wondering why
I've had a sense of urgency on both radio and
TV leading up to this midterm in 53 days, because
there's so much at stake. You literally have a group
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of people that would like to upend the entire country,
shred our Constitution. destroy our way of life, destroy our
founding documents, and, you know, put aside, you know, they
start with the notion that America is not a great
country when it is. It is a beacon of light
and hope for the world. And they want to upend
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all of that. They don't view America the way we
view America. And it's sad and it's tragic, but it's real.
And that's why I'm hoping that most of you will,
you know, pay very close attention to what's coming up.
You know, you hear Michael W. there when evil calls
itself a martyr. I've had the honor of becoming friends
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with with Frank Siller. And we have a podcast up
right now with him wherever you get your video podcast.
And his whole story, what got him involved with the
Tunnel to Towers Foundation, began with the fact that his
youngest brother, Stephen Siller, died on 9-11-01. Steven Siller had
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just gotten off work. He was going to play golf
with his brothers. And all of a sudden it came
over his radio that, in fact, the tower had been hit.
And he stopped his car and he took 60 pounds
of equipment and he put it on his back. They
wouldn't allow him to drive through the battery tunnel to
downtown Manhattan in New York City. But he felt compelled to.
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He didn't have to go to work, but he felt
compelled to go to work to help out his fellow
firefighters and people that were in need, strangers in need.
And he went to the World Trade Center. He lost
his life that day. Frank Siller, one of his older brothers,
you know, then began to honor his brother and to
do good and to never forget what happened in Stephen's name.
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And that's when he established the Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
That's why we keep reminding you, please You know, if
you can donate land, if you can donate a car,
if you can make one big donation or give up,
you know, two Starbucks a month, you know, the secret
special sauce to successfully help out these most courageous people,
these families that have given everything for their country and
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their communities, you know, give $ 11 a month. They can
keep building homes for those families that gave everything for us.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Anyway, my friend Frank Siller is with us now. Sir,
how are you?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I've been seeing you a lot lately. I feel like,
you know, we've been able to reconnect. And it's been
an honor on my end to spend a lot of
time with you. Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Right back at you, Sean. And I appreciate your kind
words about my brother. What a hero. What a hero.
What a hero. He inspired his older siblings. He raised
the bar. That's impossible to get to. But nonetheless, we
will do what we can possibly do to honor him
in a way that not many people get honored. For sure.
And remember, his legacy is incredible. We're so proud of
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him today, 25th anniversary, walking through the tunnel this morning
with his children, with my children, my grandchildren, my siblings,
their kids and grandkids. It was very emotional, to say
the least. And, you know, the whole day has been
very emotional. We miss him to death. My heart breaks
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for his wife and five kids still to this day.
It's the biggest thing that haunts me is the fact
that they never really got to.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Know each other.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
The oldest was nine years old. She certainly had a
beautiful relationship, but the others were four and a half
to nine months old, the other four. And so they never,
never really got to know a remarkable man.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And I think it should be pointed out that one
of Stephen's sons, works very closely with you at the
Tunnel to Towers Foundation, correct?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
100%, Stephen Jr. Stephen, so that steel that we walked
through the tunnel this morning with, it ended our Steel
Across America tour. We're going to have it at a
few other places, but this was the end of the,
it started on May 2nd at Ground Zero and ended
there this morning after we came through the tunnel. He
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was there 95% of the time. He traveled all over
America with me, spoke about his dad. He spoke about
other heroes. He spoke about the foundation and the work
that we're doing. Put a big spotlight on that we
need other people to join us. And it was incredible
to listen to him. We were over at 10 House today.
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That's a firehouse that's adjacent to Ground Zero. My brother
actually spent one year there when he was at what's
called the Pro-Beat, the first... A couple of years, you
become a firefighter. He was over there. And they had
the names of 343 firefighters etched in bronze. And we
went over there and we placed the wreath and hundreds
of people with us. And we placed a flower, a
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rose there. And, you know, to honor these great heroes,
not just my brother. And it was very emotional to
do that. But you have to do things like that.
You have to remember. You have to remember so it
doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's one of my greatest fears as we go back
to a pre-9-11 mindset. Just to remind people, because under
your leadership and your vision, the foundation now has grown
into one of America's leading charities. You provide mortgage-free homes
to Gold Star families, fallen first responder families, people with
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young children. You build smart homes for catastrophically injured vets
and first responders. I mean, we were talking about this,
I think the last time I saw you, maybe it
was on the podcast. And, you know, it just keeps
getting bigger because you keep seeing more need. I mean,
we lost 343 firefighters that day, but we lost many
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more in the days in the years after from 9-11
related illness. And then, of course, you know, the conflicts,
the battles, the wars that were fought, you know, post
9-11 as well. You're taking care of all those families
and Your mission just keeps growing. The need has not
gone down.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's gone up.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yes, and it's always going to be there, and that's
why the foundation always has to be here to take
care of these families. And that's why so many great
Americans have joined us on this mission. 343 mortgage-free homes
this year.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Think of that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Almost one a day. Almost one a day. Over 10,000
homeless vets off the street this year. Total of 27,500
in the last three years. I mean, come on. The
work we're doing is so important. And, you know, I
love now that we have the Megan George Scholarship Program.
We pay the college tuition for these kids that lose
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their mom and dad who protect us and die in
the line of duty. Think about that. They don't have
to worry. First, we pay off their mortgage. And so
they could stay in their home. And then we say,
you don't have to save money for your college tuition
because now they're a single parent. Most of them are widowed, 99%
of them, 99.9%. And we say, you don't have to
save for college because we're going to pay for it.
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And who's we? The American people. Millions of people have
joined us. Millions upon millions of people have joined us
to get this done. And it's a beautiful thing to
be a part of. And it's just so rewarding. My nephew,
Steven Jr., said it so beautiful this morning when we
were over at that wall laying that wreath and flowers.
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He said the gift of what his father did was
the gift that we're giving to other families. His sacrifice
is the gift. He gave up his life so that
we could take care of these other families.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I wish other people had time to spend alone with
you as I have. And this is now your entire
mission and purpose in life. And the passion that you
have is not going to be one person, one hero,
that is not going to be taken care of if
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Frank Siller has his way, period, full stop.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
100%.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
There is not going to be one family in America
who dies for our country or our community that leaves
a young family behind, and that will not be taken
care of. That is a promise, and we're keeping that
promise alive. We are keeping that promise. And by the way,
this is my mission, and I do live every single
day of it, but I got seven grandkids, and I
love them. Don't know what.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
By the way, you need to hear Frank talk about
his brothers and Stephen and his family. I mean, they
were just an all-American family. Everything you'd expect, good and bad.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And fun and... Yeah. Look, I know this.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Crazy good family.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You know, I just know that we will see... loved
ones again in the next life. And I know you'll
see your brother and, you know, I know the words
that will come out of his mouth. You know, it's
going to be, you know, thanks, Frank. You know, you
kept his memory alive since 9-11-01. You really have. And
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I mean, it's amazing what you've done. We're honored to be,
you know, friends with you and partners with you. And
I just appreciate you so much.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I appreciate that. But I think his first words are
going to be, Hey, that's all you did. Come on.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
This family is a typical New York family.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Let me let everybody know.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I mean, it's hardcore, never ending, you know, poke the
chest and start a fight. But, you know, your brother
was a very special human being. What he did that day,
I mean, it's such an inspiring moment. story of american
heroism and courage and fortitude and strength and uh what
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you've done for his memory and in in the years
thereafter i can't believe it's 25 years can.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You no i can't some ways feels like yesterday and
other ways kids are growing up so so many marriage
a couple of them are having children i mean it's
a beautiful thing uh to watch they listen In the memoir,
Let Us Do Good, my memoir, I write about so
many stories about Stephen and so many other heroes in there.
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Just hit New York Times bestseller, thanks to your support
and many other people's support and getting the word out there.
There's 50, 60 stories in there of other heroes, too,
that made the ultimate sacrifice. You know, we say freedom
isn't free, right? We say that, right? Everybody says that, yeah. Well,
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you know what? The 7,000 families that went to war
after 9-11, because it happened, those families know that freedom
isn't free. The 2,977 souls that died on 9-11 most
certainly know that freedom isn't free. The police officers and
firefighters and first responders that every single day put their
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lives on the line, they know freedom isn't free. And
as Americans, we have to make a promise to these
families that when they give up their life for us
in response that we're going to take care of their
families left behind. It's a contract that every American should
have with these families.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Well, you are a national treasure. I was doing a
golf event that in, in Florida and Frank says, just
before I go up to speak, he goes, just don't
say anything nice about me.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So I started out, I said, yeah, Frank, you really suck.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I'm like, this guy's done nothing but great things
his entire life. and helps so many families and continues to,
please help the Tunnel to Towers Foundation. Their website is
the letter T, the number two, the letter T.org, the
letter T, the number two, the letter T.org, T, number two, T.org,
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Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Frank, you are a national treasure. We love you.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
We appreciate all you do every day. God bless you,
and thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
God bless you, too, and thank you for having me on.
I never figured that out. 800-941-SEAN.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We'll continue.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
September 11, 2001. First responders, firefighters, police officers, and ordinary
citizens risk everything to save others. Many of those heroes
pay the ultimate price in acts of quiet courage. 25
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years ago feels like yesterday. Always remember, never forget. September 11, 2001,
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families waited in vain for loved ones who never came home.
And now 9-11 is every day for those families. Always remember,
never forget.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Never forget. 25 years ago, September 11, 2001, America faced heartbreak.
The worst terrorist attack on our homeland ever. Three years
ago in Israel, we saw on October 7th that the
same heartbreak took place. Different decades, different attacks, same evil.
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When evil calls itself a martyr. Look, this is why
we are so proud of our partnership with the International
Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Now they are hosting their
Flags of Fellowship. Now, that is a movement where thousands
of churches all across our country are displaying memorial flags
to honor the 1,200 lives lost on October the 7th.
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They have a very small population, under 9 million people.
That would be like 40,000 Americans killed in a day.
And we lost 2,977 on 9-11 alone. By the way,
each flag represents a loved one. A family forever changed,
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a promise that we should never forget also. Terrorism is terrorism.
And it's got to be in the forefront of our mind.
And we've got to understand the nature of evil in
our time. And hatred and violence and evil still exist.
And anyway, we hope you'll join the thousands of churches
across America as we think about Americans that were lost
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on 9-11. And in this powerful act of remembrance, you know,
support our friends in Israel, too, because they are battling
for their very survival as we speak. And you can
learn how to participate in the Flags for Fellowship. You
have a website. It's joinfof.org. That's joinfof.org. We are remembering
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this 25 years ago. It's hard to even remember. wrap
my mind around the fact that it's been 25 years,
but it has been. And, you know, but if we
don't recall, if we don't take the time to remember,
as I've been saying today, then why would we expect
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a different result? You know, there was a pre-9-11 mindset,
and now there's a post-9-11 mindset, And too many Americans
don't know enough about 9-11.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
When I hear from.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Kids in particular, it is extraordinarily frustrating to me because
they don't seem to understand the magnitude of what happened
that day and how it can happen again. Daryl Worley
reminds us, and we put this together many years ago,
have you forgotten?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Americans do not yet have the distance of history, but
our responsibility to history is already clear. To answer these
attacks and rid the world of evil.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I hear people say we don't need this war.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
We protest this war and it's not a war, actually
it's a slaughter.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
But I say there's some things worth fighting for.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
We are very grateful and thankful that we live in
a country where there's freedom of speech, that people who
are either for or against a war can speak out.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
What about our freedom? Everything just went black. And this
piece of ground. Everything came down. We didn't get to
keep them by backing down. Glass stopped popping.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
People got hurt.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
They say we don't.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Oh, there it goes. There it goes. There it goes. Oh,
there's another one. Another plane.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I saw this plane come out of nowhere and just
green right into the.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Side of the twin tower exploding through the other side.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
There's been an act of war declared upon America by terrorists. I.
Have you forgotten?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Have you forgotten?
Speaker 7 (19:02):
There are dozens of residents that are sitting on the
hill behind the Pentagon, almost like they're waiting for the
4th of July fireworks, but instead they're staring dumbfounded at
what looks like a war zone.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I mean, you see bodies flying out of the sky
and you can't do nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You tell me. There's no words to describe what's going.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
On out there.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Have you forgotten?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
America is a nation full of good fortune with so
much to be grateful for, but we are not spared
from suffering. In every generation, the world has produced enemies
of human freedom. They have attacked America.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Because we are freedom's home and defender. Have you forgotten?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
And the commitment of our fathers is.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
Now the calling of our time. USA! USA!
Speaker 3 (19:47):
USA!
Speaker 1 (19:48):
That's our friend Darrell Worley. And he put that together.
And he actually did freedom concerts with us.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He was amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And just an amazing guy. Joining us now, Patrick Sullivan,
Secret Service agent. And after a special agent for the
investigator with the General Accounting Office, now Government Accountability Office.
of special investigations. On 9-11, he conducted an undercover test
at Dulles Airport and smuggled an inert hand grenade past
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a screening checkpoint. I mean, this is literally about 10
minutes after the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 passed
through the exact same checkpoint. I mean, it's a story
I didn't know until recently. Anyway, Patrick Sullivan, sir, glad
you're with us. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Thank you, Sean. I appreciate being on your show.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I mean, when I heard this story, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now, I know people complain a little bit about, you know,
having to go through airport security and TSA, etc.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Me among them, but I'm still glad they're there.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Well, that's true, Sean, but I'll give you a little
background on what led us to do the undercover operations.
The FAA was in charge of security at the airports
prior to 9-11, and they had an Office of Civil
Aviation Security. And a number of their employees who were
their special agents who came to their bosses and said
the system's not working, there are too many vulnerabilities. And
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nothing changed. So these whistleblowers went to Congress, to the
House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. And the committee then contacted
us to do an undercover testing to see how bad
the screening checkpoints were. And on 20 prior occasions before 9-11,
I successfully smuggled an inert hand grenade past the checkpoint
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at over 20 airports in the United States. And my partner,
also a retired Secret Service agent named John Cooney, smuggled a.
25 caliber handgun. He had a cast made, we had
a cast made up with bars in it, and he
put the handgun in the hidden compartment in the cast,
and he was able to get through the screening every
single time, just like me with the inner hand grenade,
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which I put inside of a 7.11 Super Big Gulp
with ice on top of it, and I never got challenged.
I walked right to the magnetometer every single time. And
this 9.11, prophetically in 9.11, I went through the maritime
checkpoint at exactly 7.45, 10 minutes past Tony Honjour, who
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was the pilot and lead hijacker of American Airlines Flight 11.
And myself and John Cooney were also on a flight
to Los Angeles. We were on the United Airlines flight.
And by the luck of God, we weren't on that
plane that was hijacked. It could have been our plane
because it was the same route, same size aircraft, and
we were not hijacked. So that's the story, and it's
kind of shocking.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So what you're really revealing is everything.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That we learned on 9-11, you already knew because you
had been testing airports around the country, and you found
a massive gaping hole in terms of vulnerability that existed.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Absolutely, Sean. It was more than massive and gaping. It
was completely porous as far as we were concerned. And
we had been briefed. We had some intel provided to us.
And the intelligence community, law enforcement community, we did not
believe that aircraft would be turned into weapons of mass destruction.
We were more concerned with putting a bomb on an
aircraft and blowing it up in flight or hijacking the aircraft,
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as traditionally happened, would be used as a negotiation tool.
In fact, there was a document called the Common Strategy,
which was adopted by the federal government and the aviation industry,
which called for pilots and airline employees to acquiesce to
hijackers on board an aircraft. and not try to intervene
in the hijacking on the theory that the plane would
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land and negotiations would begin. Sadly, on 9-11, that changed,
and the common strategy was then tossed out by September 12th.
That was a defunct document never to be used again.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Do you think, knowing everything that you know that maybe
you can't even tell us, do you think that we
have become lax? Have we gone back to a pre-9-11 mentality?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
I don't believe so, Sean. I think I have 100
percent faith in TSA and the men and women who
are on the front lines today. But candidly, Sean, my
biggest fear, my biggest concern is the insider threat, because
the terrorist groups can recruit people who are already inside
an organization and turn them to become their agents.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
What specific organizations would you be concerned about?
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I think airline employees, people that work at the airports,
people that may be catering services, even security guards, and
God forbid, even FBI agents or Secret Service agents could
theoretically be turned. I think it would be much more
difficult to turn a Secret Service agent or an FBI agent,
but I think it's much easier to turn an airport
employee and convince someone to bring some dangerous and nefarious
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items onto unborn aircraft. I think that's very possible.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But there is a vulnerability that will always exist and
we'll never get rid of it, correct?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
That's correct, Sean. There's always going to be the human element.
Besides the insider threat, there's also technology that's evolving. And
the bad guys may come up with a way to
get explosives or other weapons past the screen and checkpoints.
I mean, that could happen, but we're always trying to
stay on top of the technology. that's one thing I'm
very confident we, uh, TSA is a robust, uh, research
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and development capability. And I think they're, they're trying to
stay on top of any of the, as the bad
guys develop some way around it, they're going.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
To counteract that. Pretty unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Um, I, I, I just, you know, as I've been
watching all day TV, um, it's pretty unbelievable to know
that all of this happened and that so much of
it could have been prevented.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Um, Your story is really remarkable.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Getting grenades through 20 different airports, it's breathtaking to me.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
One last question.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
When you did get this information and this intelligence and
you shared it with your superiors, how did they react?
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Well, the day after 9-11, well, 9-11, there's nothing more
we could do. And when we realized that the American
Airlines flight had been hijacked and the other planes hit
the World Trade Center, we knew our undercover operation would
have breathtaking consequences. Next day, we went to the FBI.
We briefed the FBI completely on what we'd been doing.
And the day after that, we went to the head
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of the FAA, Office of Civil Aviation Security, and briefed them.
And they did not take it well. There was a
gentleman named General Mike Canavan, who's now deceased. He was
a three-star retired general who was in charge of Civil
Aviation Security. He was a highly decorated military officer, Sean,
but he had no law enforcement experience. And I think
that was part of the issue. I think anybody in
that role has to have serious law enforcement experience to
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be able to manage an operation like that. At the
end of the day, though, changes were made almost immediately.
That's why TSA was born. That's why DHS was born
following this. But we were the deliverers of some seriously
bad news, I could tell you that. And some people
didn't take it too well.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, what you did was invaluable. Had people paid more
attention to it, perhaps... 9-11 could have been prevented. And
I'm not I'm not I'm not casting aspersions on people
or blaming people. I don't think anybody anticipated this attack or,
you know, willfully, you know, was not trying to do
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their job.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It just is. We just were not ready.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Period.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Full stop. Anyway, sir, Patrick, we appreciate you, man. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And thanks for all you have done in your career
and all you continue to do and inform people.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Thank you, Sean. All right.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Eight hundred nine four one, Sean, if you want to
be a part of the program. We were just talking
to Frank Siller in the last half hour and knows
a dear personal friend of mine. Now, 9-11-01 was born
on America's darkest day, the worst terrorist attack. on American
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soil in our history. And he's been helping American heroes
ever since and their families. He lost his brother that day,
as we talked about earlier. Heroes like Navy Chief Shannon Kent.
This service of Shannon's was inspired by the 9-11 attacks.
A decorated warrior mother, Shannon served multiple tours in Iraq
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and Afghanistan. And anyway, so she joined and committed to
help and to battle you know, radical Islamists that believe
in this sick ideology of convert or die. And sadly
and tragically, she lost her life in a suicide bomb
attack in Syria. Now, this being the 25th anniversary of 9-11,
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her sacrifice does remind us of the cost, the lasting
impact of that day. She left behind her husband, her
two young sons, and the Tunnel to Towers Foundation was
able to, because of your generosity, pay off the Kent
family mortgage. giving the family the security of knowing that
their home is theirs forever. Now we can help more
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families like the Kents, and your donation makes all the difference.
You can donate a car, you can donate land, you
can donate one big donation, or maybe forego two Starbucks
every month, and that'll be enough. for $ 11 a month,
and that makes this organization work as well as it does,
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and they can continue its great work.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Anyway, go to their website.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's the letter T, the number two, the letter T.org,
the letter T, the number two, the letter T.org for
the Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
Final Hour Roundup is next.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You do not want to miss it.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
And stay tuned for the final hour free-for-all on the
Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
We cannot forget that moment of immense and horrible evil
that took place in this world, bent on the destruction
of all that is good. But this morning, we also
remember how America responded to that wickedness. On days like 9-11,
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we learn what a country is truly made of. We're
learning right now what we're made of. And we have
to be strong and we have to be smart. And
Americans are made of a goodness and spirit that can
transcend any earthly force.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
All right, quick break. Right back.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
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of the program. As we remember, 9-11-01-2977 of our fellow Americans.
died that day many have died thereafter from wars and
9-11 related illness which is very very real also coming
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up we'll check in with our friend john andrasek he
was deeply impacted by what happened on 9-11 uh and
he'll tell us how and why and what he's done
since uh as we continue this friday