September 4, 2026 • 34 mins
As the one-year anniversary of Charlie Kirk’s assassination approaches, Jason Chaffetz reflects on his friend’s influence on young conservatives, faith, family, and the fight against socialism. Former National Security Council official Alex Gray joins Jason to discuss why J.D. Vance represents a lasting challenge to the pre-Trump Republican establishment and how the party’s foreign-policy direction could change for a generation. Then Charlie’s former chief of staff, Michael McCoy, shares personal stories about Kirk’s commitment to young people and explains why carrying forward his mission may be the most meaningful way to honor his legacy. :::
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to those things.
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If Democrats were able to take back the gavel in
the House, would you support impeaching Donald Trump?
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I am so thankful that young activists have really drawn
the link between climate change and white supremacy and capitalism.
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And so is the countdown. T-minus 60 days until election day.
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Speaker 4 (01:28):
Hey, this is Jason Chaffetz filling in for Sean. We
got this final hour of the Sean Hannity Show. Truly
appreciate Sean allowing me to fill in for him, an
honour and a privilege. A lot of people want to
do it. Not many people get to, so I'm very
grateful for that. We're coming up on a Labor Day weekend, right?
Kind of official end of summer. We got kids going
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back to school. College is kicking off. Football's in the air.
That's one of my... I love... I love football. Football's changing.
You know, we've got to be careful with the game.
The way college, I love college football. But, man, it's
turned into pro football. So that's a whole subject unto itself.
But it's also, this week is also a little bit
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of toughness. Because we're coming up, the way the calendar
falls out, September 10th is the one-year anniversary of the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. I was there. I saw it.
I felt it. I heard it. I lived it. And
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Charlie didn't. And that's a really tough time. Later in
this hour, we're going to talk to Michael McCoy. He
was the chief of staff to Charlie Kirk and Turning
Point USA. We're going to talk about that. It's kind
of a hard subject, but, you know, as Americans, we
don't turn away from hard things. We understand that hard
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things make us stronger, better. Um, and when we say
we never forget that, I mean that like we really
shouldn't ever forget. And of course we have the anniversary
of nine 11. Um, hard to believe it's been 25 years,
something like a hundred, more than a hundred million people
in America. We either too young to remember or we're
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not even born when nine 11 happened, but I'm old
enough to remember exactly when it happened, where I was
and the, devastation of that terrorist attack was. So we're
going to talk a little bit about that, which is
also a good segue to our next guest, because Alex Gray,
he's the former national security, he worked with the former
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national security advisor, Robert O'Brien. Remember Robert O'Brien? He's a
really good friend of mine. He was the National Security
Advisor to President Trump in his first administration. Alex was
like his chief of staff, so he's highly involved in
the National Security Council. The whole security apparatus understands it.
And I want to talk to him a little bit
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about where we are in this world, in this country.
So let's welcome in Alex Gray.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Hey, Jason. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Hey, thank you. I had the pleasure of seeing you
in person today. earlier this week, and I thought, oh, Alex,
it'd be great to talk about this because, you know,
I'm going to be careful with this one, but this
opinion piece that came out in the Wall Street Journal
really took on J.D. Vance, the vice president, was very aggressive.
(04:33):
But then I saw you posted on X and tweeted
out about your take on J.D. Vance, and talk to
me a little bit about that perspective, what happened, and
then we'll talk about national security in general in a moment.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, thanks, Jason. Look, I think that the vice president
is causing a lot of antibodies in what I would
still say is the Republican establishment. And I say that
because You know, you and I supported the president early on,
and a lot of people in Washington and in the
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Republican establishment, particularly the foreign policy, national security world that
I work in, they didn't. They didn't support the president.
And when the president won, they thought that they would
wait him out and Donald Trump would be an aberration
and he'd go away and they could go back to
how things were. And that didn't happen. And then when
2020 happened and Joe Biden came in, they thought that
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it was finally over, and they'd go back to business
as usual. And Donald Trump came back, and it just
keeps going on. And the foreign policy establishment is looking
at shady bans, and they're now looking at a 20-year period, potentially,
where the things that traditional pre-Trump Republicans don't like— trade, immigration—
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non-interventionist foreign policy, things that J.D. Vance and Donald Trump
stand for, if J.D. wins in 2028, those things are
going to become the Republican Party. And they are scared.
They are terrified of it. And I think that's why, Jason,
you're seeing the vitriol that's being directed at the vice
president by the people who don't want to go, but
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they want to go back to the pre-2016 GOP.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You know, it's interesting. When I have a discussion very
similar to the way you articulate it, you said it
very well, better than I do. But one of the
things that I talk about is, I said, you know,
pretty much every president, including Democrats, said, oh, let's move
our U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. And everybody kind of gave
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it lip service. But then Donald Trump actually did it.
It's like, it's so shocking to people. It wasn't... It
was difficult to do, but for Donald Trump, it wasn't
difficult to do. He campaigned on it. He said he
was going to do it. Then he did it. And
it's been good for the United States. It's been good
for the world. But it was so different than these
other establishment Republicans who campaigned on it. But then when
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it came time to actually do it, wouldn't actually do it.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
You're 100% right. And I would say the Iran nuclear
deal that he tore up, the Obama JCPOA, I think
a lot of Republicans ran against it. I'm not sure
how many would actually have had the guts to tear
it up the way Donald Trump did. I think that
goes for immigration. Republicans talked about being tough on immigration.
Should we have done the things Donald Trump did? No.
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I think it goes for things even a little more technical,
like the INF Treaty that limited the range of ballistic missiles. And,
you know, if you really believe we should have a
missile defense, we don't need an INF treaty. And Donald
Trump gripped it up. You know, Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro actually
being willing to go in and take action, actually willing
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to go in and decapitate the Supreme Leader of Iran.
I mean, all of these things that traditional Republicans said
they would do, Donald Trump actually did. And I think
the problem is J.D. Vance is in the same mold,
and that scares people.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It does scare people. I mean, we've talked tough on Cuba,
for instance, and it does seem like, and it may happen,
you know, once Iran is settled down a little bit more,
or maybe after the midterms, but that Donald Trump with
two more, basically two and a half more years under
his belt, certainly with Marco Rubio as the Secretary of State,
that something is really going to change in Cuba. But again,
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Republicans talked tough about it, but never did anything about it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Look, and I think when you look at the old line,
promises made, promises kept, I remember in the first Trump term,
Steve Bannon would keep a whiteboard of all the president's
campaign promises, and they would check them off as the
president kept them, even more so in this term. And
this has been an administration where I think too many
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Republican presidents have have treated kind of traditional grassroots Republicans
as obstacles to be gotten around and people you have
to placate during election years. But it's not actually about
answering the things they want done. This administration has been
so different. And I think that's why the establishment's looking
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at this, Jason, and they're saying, wow, we may finally
be out of luck. The Republican Party may actually become
a grassroots party in 2028 if someone like J.D. Vance
gets elected.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, and that's why I'm just calling it the way
I see it. The Wall Street Journal opinion piece was
just really taking a stab at J.D. Vance. But I
think it'll be interesting to see how it plays itself out.
And the other thing that's really interesting to me, we're
talking to Alex Gray. the thing that's really, really interesting
(09:52):
to me is John Fetterman. The Senator Fetterman has been
like the voice of reason on the Democratic side of
the aisle, but he seems to be the lone wolf
over there who will actually call balls and strikes because
the Democratic Party of old, who would actually join with
Republicans on a lot of things, they are so far
into crazy town, it's hard to imagine.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, I mean, it is nuts. And I mean, we're
talking about You know, the Democratic Socialist of America, whose
leader went on one of the Sunday shows and said
that their platform includes getting rid of the border and
getting rid of the state Senate. I mean, this is
this is what we're dealing with. And John Fetterman, who
I think is probably a pretty traditional left of center
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Democrat by 1990 standards. He is doing the thing that
most Democrats did just 20 years ago, which is support
the state of Israel's right to exist and defend itself.
Pretty non-controversial position before a couple of years ago. And
he is on the hit list of the DSA and
the Democratic Party activists. They want to take him out
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of office. They want to ruin his political career for taking,
I think you and I would say, for a Democrat
of just 10 years ago, pretty mainstream positions.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, I served in Congress starting in 2008 and was
there until 2017. And there was a time when, yeah,
it was Republicans, Democrats with like one or two outliers,
and they all supported what we were trying to do
in peace and safety and security. But it's just the
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idea of supporting local police forces and standing for the flag.
And then now it's just, I went to one of
the State of the Union addresses by President Trump. Even
when you leave Congress, you still have floor privileges. So
I went and did that. It was unbelievable. The president
would like recognize just an ordinary human who had done
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extraordinary things and was heroic. Democrats couldn't even stand up.
I mean, they just sat on their hands. They just
couldn't do it because of this whole Trump derangement syndrome.
It's so real. It's palpable. But it doesn't seem to
go away. And I worry that, you know, if the
House and the Senate flip hands that, you know, as
we play in the little promo in the lead up
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to the to this show, Democrats just want to impeach again.
That's the only answer they have. They don't have policy.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yeah, they don't have policy. They have an extreme agenda.
I mean, a truly extreme agenda. And I mean, I
I would encourage people to look not just at what
candidates have. But look at what the Democratic Socialists of America,
who now have so much power and control over the
Democratic Party itself, what the DSA platform is. It's creating
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something like 20 justices of the Supreme Court. It's abolishing
the Senate. It's adding three or four additional states. It's
getting rid of the border. I mean, these are just
truly insane positions, almost cartoonish positions, but they're real. And
so I think people need to understand this is what
we're dealing with, not just what Democratic candidates say when
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they're trying to win your vote, but what's actually the
intellectual foundation behind so much of the crazy socialism that's
being espoused.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, I hope everybody gets a chance to follow Alex
Gray on X. It's at Alex Gray for OK. He's
from Oklahoma, so that's what the OK is about. Alex Gray, 4-OK.
I hope you have a chance to look at that.
It makes a lot of sense. Great deal of experience
for Young in his career there with Robert O'Brien. Really
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did make a difference and served President Trump quite well
and still very friendly with the administration. So, Alex Gray,
thank you so much for joining us today on the
Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Thanks for having me, Jason.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
All right. Alex Gray, thank you. Stay with us. We're
going to be right back.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Are you ready to get out of the media spin room?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, you've come to the right place.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
This is the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Well, like I said, we go through Labor Day and
then we have sort of a tough month. We have
right out of the chutes. It gets a little somber
before it gets a lot better with the RNC midterm convention.
But as I said, coming up on September 10th, that's
the anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And then
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September 11th, the 25th anniversary, than 9-11. That's kind of tough. Now,
coming up after the break at the bottom of the hour,
we have Michael McCoy. He was the chief of staff
to Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA. We're going to get
him to talk a little bit more about Charlie and
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Turning Point and the year that it's been since then.
It really is, it's going to be a difficult thing.
It is for me personally. You may not have known Charlie.
You may not have heard of Charlie. You may not
have followed Charlie. But I got to tell you, he
was one of the great voices of the conservative movement.
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He could articulate things. And I love the way he
started and did things and would challenge people to come.
You got a problem? Let's talk about it. And his
message was a really strong one. So we're going to
talk about that at the bottom of the hour because
he got a lot of people with a lot of
hate out there now. Judge Tony Graff has made a
(16:04):
ruling that there is enough probable cause to bring Tyler
Robinson to trial for the murder. Now, from my perspective,
and again, I'm bragging again, but I'm not an attorney.
This is taking so long to go through this process.
For somebody who was arrested fairly shortly after the assassination,
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but this process is going to go on and on
and on. unfortunately, you want justice. You got to make
sure you do due diligence, that people have the opportunity
to go seek things out and to provide a proper
and thorough defense. That's what we do in the United
States of America, which is different than the rest of
the world. But the judges ruled that there will be
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a trial for the murder of Charlie Kirk. And finally,
you get through that hurdle, then you got to go
through discovery and all the other things. And so That
will continue on, but that's coming up. So, boom, you know,
enjoy the holiday. Enjoy the three days. Enjoy football as
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it gets back into the air, which is like one
of my favorite things. Before we know it, the leaves
will be changing, and at some point, somehow, some way,
we will have the trial of Tyler Robinson, who's accused
in this murder. But stay with us, because Michael McCoy...
You really want to hear from him and listen to
him because I think he's got something important to say
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from a very unique perspective that not many other people have.
So stay with us. We're going to be right back.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The radio show the mainstream media loves to hate. This
is the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Hey, this is Jason Chaffetz filling in for Sean. And
I know Charlie Kirk was a good friend of Sean's.
He was a friend of mine, a good friend, somebody
I admired, somebody that I tried to emulate, somebody who
was one of the best voices in the conservative movement.
He just believed things and said things in such a
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great way and could answer any question coming his way
and would challenge people. Hey, you got it. rather than
fighting and turning to violence, ask me anything. And his
life and legacy and his message was a powerful one.
And yet he was assassinated. And that anniversary of September
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10th is upon us. It's next week. Now, the judge
in this case, as I was saying before the break,
It's been going on a long time, but Judge Tony
Graff has made a ruling that essentially allows the death penalty,
which they have in Utah, to be on the table
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and that there is enough probable cause to bring Tyler
Robinson to trial. But let's listen to it in his
own words. Let's go to cut number one.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
The state's evidence of identity is substantial, combining forensic DNA
matching with statements attributed to defendant admitting responsibility. for the shooting. First,
the DNA profiles obtained from the Mauser. 30- 06 caliber bolt
action rifle, the suspected murder weapon, provide forensic evidence connecting
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defendant to the firearm. Defendant's DNA was identified as a
major contributor on multiple key components of the firearm, including
the stock, grips, butt plate, the trigger, and trigger guard.
This physical evidence is corroborated by the tool mark analysis,
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which matches the engraving cutter recovered from defendant's residence to
the cartridge-causing casing and live ammunition found within the Mauser rifle. Furthermore,
the FBI DNA analysis places defendant's DNA on a screwdriver
recovered at the crime scene with a likelihood ratio exceeding
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30 quintillion. Second, the surveillance tracking evidence provides additional cooperation.
Agent Hull's review of the campus surveillance footage tracked a
suspect matching defendant's physical attributes, clothing, shoes, and distinct gait
from the parking structure to the rooftop on the Losey
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building associated with the shooting and then fleeing the scene
immediately following the shooting. This physical tracking is reinforced by Ms.
Noble's ring doorbell camera footage which captured defendant's vehicle identified
by its unique wheels and custom styling parking near the
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location shortly after midnight on September 11th 2025.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Viewed in the light.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Most favorable to the prosecution, this evidence is sufficient at
this stage to support a reasonable belief that defendant is
the individual who shot and killed Charlie Kirk. Accordingly, the
state has demonstrated probable cause as to the identity and
homicide elements of count one.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
So that's Judge Tony Graff making his ruling, which paves
the way for this trial to finally get going. And
it's going to be a difficult time, obviously, for the
Kirk family, but also for our next guest, Michael McCoy,
chief of staff to Charlie Kirk and an important player
there at Turning Point USA. Michael, thank you so much
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for joining us on the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well, thank you, Jason, for having me. And if I
remember correctly, you were there that day.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Like so many people. And so, you know, it's been
a really, really tough year. And in the midst of
all of this, kind of watching the trial play out
and watching, you know, those of us who've been so
close to Charlie and been a part of this, In
a sense, there's justice, but I feel like there's two
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forms of justice, right? You want to let the prosecutors
do their job and the court and ultimately the jury.
But the second form of justice is for us that
knew Charlie, that were friends with him, that were so
close with him to Charlie. carry on his legacy, to
make sure that the day that he was assassinated was
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not the end of his mission, but a beginning of
an even greater commitment to it. The greatest form of
remembering him is honoring him in his work and honoring
his legacy. He spent his entire life building Turning Point
USA and sacrificing himself for young people. He did everything
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for young people, and he ultimately died doing exactly what
he loved. You know, he was on college campuses and
he was fighting so hard and this has been a
really tough year. Um, and it wasn't just us who lost,
you know, Jason, you were a close friend to Charlie.
It wasn't just us who lost him. It was everybody
who knew him, who followed him and young people. And
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there's a tremendous void that was left behind. And as
we approach this one year anniversary, um, asking ourselves, you know,
how can we make sure that we honor Charlie? How
can we be good stewards of this legacy that he's
left behind?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
No, well said. It's interesting, right, because he was never
in elected politics, but he challenged people to learn how
to think. You know, young people go to college, and
college is not for everybody. That was part of Charlie's message.
You've really got to start thinking, what do you believe
in and why do you believe in? He also, I thought,
did a masterful job of saying, I don't know where
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you are in your religious journey, but it's okay to
talk about religion. It's okay to wear it on your
shirt sleeve. And he did, and he paved the way
on that religious side as well. But when he talked
about the evil of socialism and communism, and he had
those white shirts that said freedom across, it wasn't just
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some bumper sticker. It was like the way... He believed
you should live your life, you know, and he would
advocate things like strengthen families and getting married early and
having more kids than you can afford and doing things
that drove the left absolutely nuts. Michael, tell me, how
did you first get involved with Charlie and Turning Point?
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And maybe share some of that kind of personal one-on-one
story because you went, you know, all in with Charlie
Kirk and Turning Point.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, you know, I met Charlie when I was 18
years old. I was driving him to the airport and
his girlfriend, Erica. And when we, you know, the entire
car ride, he was just grilling me with questions about
philosophy and American history and asking me what the answers were.
And when I didn't have them, you know, I thought
to myself, you know, this guy probably thinks, you know,
I'm not very smart. This is my hero. And I
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probably just let him down. And once we got to
the airport, he goes, I don't think you should go
to college. And in my head, subconsciously, I'm thinking, he
doesn't want me to go to college because he probably
thinks I'm an idiot for not answering all these questions.
But he goes, no, I don't want you to go
to college. I want you to come work for me instead.
I want you to come work at Turning Point. And,
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you know, I ended up accepting that offer and it
was the greatest offer I ever accepted. But, you know,
as I reflected on that, you know, why would Charlie
want to offer me a job? You know, I'm an
18 year old with zero life experience and obviously not
that smart because I hadn't answered any of his questions.
And I pondered that and I sat on it. And
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the answer lies in what he did. He went on
college campuses consistently and authentically because he loved young people.
He saw something in young people that we didn't even
see in ourselves. He saw something in me that I
didn't even see in myself. And he wanted to call
us to something greater. He wanted to challenge us, push
us harder. You know, Charlie didn't just show up on
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college campuses to pander to young people. You know, he
certainly wasn't the first to show up on college campus,
but he was the one that showed up and told
young people not what they wanted to hear, but what
they ought to hear. You know, get married young, have
more children than you can afford. And you said this earlier,
Charlie wasn't an elected official. He wasn't a politician either.
But somehow he was one of the most powerful people
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in the private sector to influence the government. I had
the privilege of having kind of a front row seat
to watching Charlie at these debates on college campuses and
at churches. And one of the times that I remember
is You know, he had this question from a student
asking him about single-family housing and if they would ever
be able to afford homes and be able to afford
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getting married. And it wasn't but two days later, we're
at the White House, and I witnessed Charlie at the
White House regurgitate those exact same talking points to the
president and his staff. You know, we really ought to
figure out how to make sure young people can afford
homes and have a future in this country and have
an America that we were able to enjoy, not a
different version of it. And In a way, Charlie was
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like an unpaid, powerful lobbyist for young people because he
loved young people. He cared about young people. He went
to college campuses. He used to say, I'm here to
do three things, teach, learn, and listen. And if I'm
not doing all three, I'm not doing a good job.
Half the time he was talking to young people, his
microphone was down on the table. He was listening to them.
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And that was something he loved young people. He wanted
to listen to what they had to say, and he
wanted to offer a solution. And parents heard about Charlie
Kirk from their kids. Their kids were the ones that
would say, hey, there's this guy on social media. You've
got to hear about this guy. He's amazing. Right. We
ought to make sure that we continue looking out for
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young people and care for them the way that Charlie did.
There's a tremendous accountability on everybody's shoulders to do that
and to honor him, especially as we approach this one-year anniversary.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Well, our daughter, who was a student that had gone
to Utah Valley University, You know, I've been in politics.
I've been in Congress. I, you know, you meet and
see and interact with a lot of people and she
got to introduced and go to the white house and
do all kinds of fun stuff. But there are only
two people that she really wanted to spend time with
and talk to. One was president Trump. And the second
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one was Charlie Kirk. And that's why four of our
family members were there that day because Charlie was going
to be on campus and she witnessed it too. And,
and it was, you know, it's just absolutely horrific. I,
The one other thing I've mentioned before, and I won't
wax on about this, but later that night, I got
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a call from President Trump. And I remember talking to him.
speaking with the president about Charlie and how much Charlie
meant to him personally. And that the president said, I
don't know if I would be the president of the
United States without Charlie Kirk, because he did have so
much of an impact. And for a person his age,
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um and not being an elected official not a trust
fund baby not anything else he actually made the argument
and uh it was resonating and i think that's what
scared the left i think that's what propelled so many
people to try to take him on and we don't
know but maybe that's ultimately what cost him his life
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but he was making the case i i i had
told my wife and others i really thought that Charlie,
at some point in our lifetime, was going to be
the president of the United States, but his life was
cut far too short. Final thoughts, Michael, as we kind
of wrap up this segment. And sorry, you have to
go through the hardness and the difficultness with Charlie Kirk,
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with his greater family and the people at Turning Point.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Thank you. You know, my final thoughts, and you said it,
at such a young age, he was able to accomplish
so much. Charlie remembered that young people are able to
accomplish so much. There's a tendency sometimes to write off
young people, to think that they're not capable. But as
you look in our rich founding in the history of
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our country, we're a country that was, for the most part,
founded by young people. The average age of a Continental
Army soldier was a 19- to 20-year-old. Thomas Jefferson was
33 when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. He was
two years older than Charlie Kirk. James Monroe was 18
when he left college to go fight for independence. Alexander
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Hamilton was, I think, 19 when he became right hand
to Washington. And so young people have a rich history
in this country and they're capable, more capable than they
think to fight for independence, to fight for truth, to
stand up when they don't think that they have the
strength to do so. And so you too, if you're
listening to this as a young person, you too can
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become someone like Charlie Kirk. You can become somebody like
our founding fathers. You know, the youngest signer of the
Declaration of Independence was only 26 years old. You can
be one of those people. You can be a young
person in a powerful room and you can enact a
lot of change. And so live like Charlie Kirk. Be
like Charlie Kirk. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
It's a great message. Michael McCoy, thank you so much
for joining us on the Sean Hannity Show. And, uh,
It's going to be a tough day on the 10th,
but let's all remember, never forget, but also live the
message as you so articulately said. Let's live that throughout
the year, not just on September 10th. Thanks so much
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for joining us and stay with us. We're going to
be right back.
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Speaker 4 (01:28):
Hey, this is Jason Chaffetz filling in for Sean. We
got this final hour of the Sean Hannity Show. Truly
appreciate Sean allowing me to fill in for him, an
honour and a privilege. A lot of people want to
do it. Not many people get to, so I'm very
grateful for that. We're coming up on a Labor Day weekend, right?
Kind of official end of summer. We got kids going
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back to school. College is kicking off. Football's in the air.
That's one of my... I love... I love football. Football's changing.
You know, we've got to be careful with the game.
The way college, I love college football. But, man, it's
turned into pro football. So that's a whole subject unto itself.
But it's also, this week is also a little bit
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of toughness. Because we're coming up, the way the calendar
falls out, September 10th is the one-year anniversary of the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. I was there. I saw it.
I felt it. I heard it. I lived it. And
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Charlie didn't. And that's a really tough time. Later in
this hour, we're going to talk to Michael McCoy. He
was the chief of staff to Charlie Kirk and Turning
Point USA. We're going to talk about that. It's kind
of a hard subject, but, you know, as Americans, we
don't turn away from hard things. We understand that hard
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things make us stronger, better. Um, and when we say
we never forget that, I mean that like we really
shouldn't ever forget. And of course we have the anniversary
of nine 11. Um, hard to believe it's been 25 years,
something like a hundred, more than a hundred million people
in America. We either too young to remember or we're
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not even born when nine 11 happened, but I'm old
enough to remember exactly when it happened, where I was
and the, devastation of that terrorist attack was. So we're
going to talk a little bit about that, which is
also a good segue to our next guest, because Alex Gray,
he's the former national security, he worked with the former
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national security advisor, Robert O'Brien. Remember Robert O'Brien? He's a
really good friend of mine. He was the National Security
Advisor to President Trump in his first administration. Alex was
like his chief of staff, so he's highly involved in
the National Security Council. The whole security apparatus understands it.
And I want to talk to him a little bit
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about where we are in this world, in this country.
So let's welcome in Alex Gray.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Hey, Jason. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Hey, thank you. I had the pleasure of seeing you
in person today. earlier this week, and I thought, oh, Alex,
it'd be great to talk about this because, you know,
I'm going to be careful with this one, but this
opinion piece that came out in the Wall Street Journal
really took on J.D. Vance, the vice president, was very aggressive.
(04:33):
But then I saw you posted on X and tweeted
out about your take on J.D. Vance, and talk to
me a little bit about that perspective, what happened, and
then we'll talk about national security in general in a moment.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, thanks, Jason. Look, I think that the vice president
is causing a lot of antibodies in what I would
still say is the Republican establishment. And I say that
because You know, you and I supported the president early on,
and a lot of people in Washington and in the
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Republican establishment, particularly the foreign policy, national security world that
I work in, they didn't. They didn't support the president.
And when the president won, they thought that they would
wait him out and Donald Trump would be an aberration
and he'd go away and they could go back to
how things were. And that didn't happen. And then when
2020 happened and Joe Biden came in, they thought that
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it was finally over, and they'd go back to business
as usual. And Donald Trump came back, and it just
keeps going on. And the foreign policy establishment is looking
at shady bans, and they're now looking at a 20-year period, potentially,
where the things that traditional pre-Trump Republicans don't like— trade, immigration—
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non-interventionist foreign policy, things that J.D. Vance and Donald Trump
stand for, if J.D. wins in 2028, those things are
going to become the Republican Party. And they are scared.
They are terrified of it. And I think that's why, Jason,
you're seeing the vitriol that's being directed at the vice
president by the people who don't want to go, but
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they want to go back to the pre-2016 GOP.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You know, it's interesting. When I have a discussion very
similar to the way you articulate it, you said it
very well, better than I do. But one of the
things that I talk about is, I said, you know,
pretty much every president, including Democrats, said, oh, let's move
our U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. And everybody kind of gave
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it lip service. But then Donald Trump actually did it.
It's like, it's so shocking to people. It wasn't... It
was difficult to do, but for Donald Trump, it wasn't
difficult to do. He campaigned on it. He said he
was going to do it. Then he did it. And
it's been good for the United States. It's been good
for the world. But it was so different than these
other establishment Republicans who campaigned on it. But then when
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it came time to actually do it, wouldn't actually do it.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
You're 100% right. And I would say the Iran nuclear
deal that he tore up, the Obama JCPOA, I think
a lot of Republicans ran against it. I'm not sure
how many would actually have had the guts to tear
it up the way Donald Trump did. I think that
goes for immigration. Republicans talked about being tough on immigration.
Should we have done the things Donald Trump did? No.
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I think it goes for things even a little more technical,
like the INF Treaty that limited the range of ballistic missiles. And,
you know, if you really believe we should have a
missile defense, we don't need an INF treaty. And Donald
Trump gripped it up. You know, Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro actually
being willing to go in and take action, actually willing
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to go in and decapitate the Supreme Leader of Iran.
I mean, all of these things that traditional Republicans said
they would do, Donald Trump actually did. And I think
the problem is J.D. Vance is in the same mold,
and that scares people.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It does scare people. I mean, we've talked tough on Cuba,
for instance, and it does seem like, and it may happen,
you know, once Iran is settled down a little bit more,
or maybe after the midterms, but that Donald Trump with
two more, basically two and a half more years under
his belt, certainly with Marco Rubio as the Secretary of State,
that something is really going to change in Cuba. But again,
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Republicans talked tough about it, but never did anything about it.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Look, and I think when you look at the old line,
promises made, promises kept, I remember in the first Trump term,
Steve Bannon would keep a whiteboard of all the president's
campaign promises, and they would check them off as the
president kept them, even more so in this term. And
this has been an administration where I think too many
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Republican presidents have have treated kind of traditional grassroots Republicans
as obstacles to be gotten around and people you have
to placate during election years. But it's not actually about
answering the things they want done. This administration has been
so different. And I think that's why the establishment's looking
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at this, Jason, and they're saying, wow, we may finally
be out of luck. The Republican Party may actually become
a grassroots party in 2028 if someone like J.D. Vance
gets elected.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well, and that's why I'm just calling it the way
I see it. The Wall Street Journal opinion piece was
just really taking a stab at J.D. Vance. But I
think it'll be interesting to see how it plays itself out.
And the other thing that's really interesting to me, we're
talking to Alex Gray. the thing that's really, really interesting
(09:52):
to me is John Fetterman. The Senator Fetterman has been
like the voice of reason on the Democratic side of
the aisle, but he seems to be the lone wolf
over there who will actually call balls and strikes because
the Democratic Party of old, who would actually join with
Republicans on a lot of things, they are so far
into crazy town, it's hard to imagine.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, I mean, it is nuts. And I mean, we're
talking about You know, the Democratic Socialist of America, whose
leader went on one of the Sunday shows and said
that their platform includes getting rid of the border and
getting rid of the state Senate. I mean, this is
this is what we're dealing with. And John Fetterman, who
I think is probably a pretty traditional left of center
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Democrat by 1990 standards. He is doing the thing that
most Democrats did just 20 years ago, which is support
the state of Israel's right to exist and defend itself.
Pretty non-controversial position before a couple of years ago. And
he is on the hit list of the DSA and
the Democratic Party activists. They want to take him out
(10:59):
of office. They want to ruin his political career for taking,
I think you and I would say, for a Democrat
of just 10 years ago, pretty mainstream positions.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, I served in Congress starting in 2008 and was
there until 2017. And there was a time when, yeah,
it was Republicans, Democrats with like one or two outliers,
and they all supported what we were trying to do
in peace and safety and security. But it's just the
(11:30):
idea of supporting local police forces and standing for the flag.
And then now it's just, I went to one of
the State of the Union addresses by President Trump. Even
when you leave Congress, you still have floor privileges. So
I went and did that. It was unbelievable. The president
would like recognize just an ordinary human who had done
(11:53):
extraordinary things and was heroic. Democrats couldn't even stand up.
I mean, they just sat on their hands. They just
couldn't do it because of this whole Trump derangement syndrome.
It's so real. It's palpable. But it doesn't seem to
go away. And I worry that, you know, if the
House and the Senate flip hands that, you know, as
we play in the little promo in the lead up
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to the to this show, Democrats just want to impeach again.
That's the only answer they have. They don't have policy.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yeah, they don't have policy. They have an extreme agenda.
I mean, a truly extreme agenda. And I mean, I
I would encourage people to look not just at what
candidates have. But look at what the Democratic Socialists of America,
who now have so much power and control over the
Democratic Party itself, what the DSA platform is. It's creating
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something like 20 justices of the Supreme Court. It's abolishing
the Senate. It's adding three or four additional states. It's
getting rid of the border. I mean, these are just
truly insane positions, almost cartoonish positions, but they're real. And
so I think people need to understand this is what
we're dealing with, not just what Democratic candidates say when
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they're trying to win your vote, but what's actually the
intellectual foundation behind so much of the crazy socialism that's
being espoused.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, I hope everybody gets a chance to follow Alex
Gray on X. It's at Alex Gray for OK. He's
from Oklahoma, so that's what the OK is about. Alex Gray, 4-OK.
I hope you have a chance to look at that.
It makes a lot of sense. Great deal of experience
for Young in his career there with Robert O'Brien. Really
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did make a difference and served President Trump quite well
and still very friendly with the administration. So, Alex Gray,
thank you so much for joining us today on the
Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Thanks for having me, Jason.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
All right. Alex Gray, thank you. Stay with us. We're
going to be right back.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Are you ready to get out of the media spin room?
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Well, you've come to the right place.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
This is the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Well, like I said, we go through Labor Day and
then we have sort of a tough month. We have
right out of the chutes. It gets a little somber
before it gets a lot better with the RNC midterm convention.
But as I said, coming up on September 10th, that's
the anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And then
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September 11th, the 25th anniversary, than 9-11. That's kind of tough. Now,
coming up after the break at the bottom of the hour,
we have Michael McCoy. He was the chief of staff
to Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA. We're going to get
him to talk a little bit more about Charlie and
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Turning Point and the year that it's been since then.
It really is, it's going to be a difficult thing.
It is for me personally. You may not have known Charlie.
You may not have heard of Charlie. You may not
have followed Charlie. But I got to tell you, he
was one of the great voices of the conservative movement.
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He could articulate things. And I love the way he
started and did things and would challenge people to come.
You got a problem? Let's talk about it. And his
message was a really strong one. So we're going to
talk about that at the bottom of the hour because
he got a lot of people with a lot of
hate out there now. Judge Tony Graff has made a
(16:04):
ruling that there is enough probable cause to bring Tyler
Robinson to trial for the murder. Now, from my perspective,
and again, I'm bragging again, but I'm not an attorney.
This is taking so long to go through this process.
For somebody who was arrested fairly shortly after the assassination,
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but this process is going to go on and on
and on. unfortunately, you want justice. You got to make
sure you do due diligence, that people have the opportunity
to go seek things out and to provide a proper
and thorough defense. That's what we do in the United
States of America, which is different than the rest of
the world. But the judges ruled that there will be
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a trial for the murder of Charlie Kirk. And finally,
you get through that hurdle, then you got to go
through discovery and all the other things. And so That
will continue on, but that's coming up. So, boom, you know,
enjoy the holiday. Enjoy the three days. Enjoy football as
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it gets back into the air, which is like one
of my favorite things. Before we know it, the leaves
will be changing, and at some point, somehow, some way,
we will have the trial of Tyler Robinson, who's accused
in this murder. But stay with us, because Michael McCoy...
You really want to hear from him and listen to
him because I think he's got something important to say
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from a very unique perspective that not many other people have.
So stay with us. We're going to be right back.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The radio show the mainstream media loves to hate. This
is the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Hey, this is Jason Chaffetz filling in for Sean. And
I know Charlie Kirk was a good friend of Sean's.
He was a friend of mine, a good friend, somebody
I admired, somebody that I tried to emulate, somebody who
was one of the best voices in the conservative movement.
He just believed things and said things in such a
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great way and could answer any question coming his way
and would challenge people. Hey, you got it. rather than
fighting and turning to violence, ask me anything. And his
life and legacy and his message was a powerful one.
And yet he was assassinated. And that anniversary of September
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10th is upon us. It's next week. Now, the judge
in this case, as I was saying before the break,
It's been going on a long time, but Judge Tony
Graff has made a ruling that essentially allows the death penalty,
which they have in Utah, to be on the table
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and that there is enough probable cause to bring Tyler
Robinson to trial. But let's listen to it in his
own words. Let's go to cut number one.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
The state's evidence of identity is substantial, combining forensic DNA
matching with statements attributed to defendant admitting responsibility. for the shooting. First,
the DNA profiles obtained from the Mauser. 30- 06 caliber bolt
action rifle, the suspected murder weapon, provide forensic evidence connecting
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defendant to the firearm. Defendant's DNA was identified as a
major contributor on multiple key components of the firearm, including
the stock, grips, butt plate, the trigger, and trigger guard.
This physical evidence is corroborated by the tool mark analysis,
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which matches the engraving cutter recovered from defendant's residence to
the cartridge-causing casing and live ammunition found within the Mauser rifle. Furthermore,
the FBI DNA analysis places defendant's DNA on a screwdriver
recovered at the crime scene with a likelihood ratio exceeding
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30 quintillion. Second, the surveillance tracking evidence provides additional cooperation.
Agent Hull's review of the campus surveillance footage tracked a
suspect matching defendant's physical attributes, clothing, shoes, and distinct gait
from the parking structure to the rooftop on the Losey
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building associated with the shooting and then fleeing the scene
immediately following the shooting. This physical tracking is reinforced by Ms.
Noble's ring doorbell camera footage which captured defendant's vehicle identified
by its unique wheels and custom styling parking near the
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location shortly after midnight on September 11th 2025.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Viewed in the light.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Most favorable to the prosecution, this evidence is sufficient at
this stage to support a reasonable belief that defendant is
the individual who shot and killed Charlie Kirk. Accordingly, the
state has demonstrated probable cause as to the identity and
homicide elements of count one.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
So that's Judge Tony Graff making his ruling, which paves
the way for this trial to finally get going. And
it's going to be a difficult time, obviously, for the
Kirk family, but also for our next guest, Michael McCoy,
chief of staff to Charlie Kirk and an important player
there at Turning Point USA. Michael, thank you so much
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for joining us on the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well, thank you, Jason, for having me. And if I
remember correctly, you were there that day.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Like so many people. And so, you know, it's been
a really, really tough year. And in the midst of
all of this, kind of watching the trial play out
and watching, you know, those of us who've been so
close to Charlie and been a part of this, In
a sense, there's justice, but I feel like there's two
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forms of justice, right? You want to let the prosecutors
do their job and the court and ultimately the jury.
But the second form of justice is for us that
knew Charlie, that were friends with him, that were so
close with him to Charlie. carry on his legacy, to
make sure that the day that he was assassinated was
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not the end of his mission, but a beginning of
an even greater commitment to it. The greatest form of
remembering him is honoring him in his work and honoring
his legacy. He spent his entire life building Turning Point
USA and sacrificing himself for young people. He did everything
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for young people, and he ultimately died doing exactly what
he loved. You know, he was on college campuses and
he was fighting so hard and this has been a
really tough year. Um, and it wasn't just us who lost,
you know, Jason, you were a close friend to Charlie.
It wasn't just us who lost him. It was everybody
who knew him, who followed him and young people. And
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there's a tremendous void that was left behind. And as
we approach this one year anniversary, um, asking ourselves, you know,
how can we make sure that we honor Charlie? How
can we be good stewards of this legacy that he's
left behind?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
No, well said. It's interesting, right, because he was never
in elected politics, but he challenged people to learn how
to think. You know, young people go to college, and
college is not for everybody. That was part of Charlie's message.
You've really got to start thinking, what do you believe
in and why do you believe in? He also, I thought,
did a masterful job of saying, I don't know where
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you are in your religious journey, but it's okay to
talk about religion. It's okay to wear it on your
shirt sleeve. And he did, and he paved the way
on that religious side as well. But when he talked
about the evil of socialism and communism, and he had
those white shirts that said freedom across, it wasn't just
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some bumper sticker. It was like the way... He believed
you should live your life, you know, and he would
advocate things like strengthen families and getting married early and
having more kids than you can afford and doing things
that drove the left absolutely nuts. Michael, tell me, how
did you first get involved with Charlie and Turning Point?
(25:20):
And maybe share some of that kind of personal one-on-one
story because you went, you know, all in with Charlie
Kirk and Turning Point.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, you know, I met Charlie when I was 18
years old. I was driving him to the airport and
his girlfriend, Erica. And when we, you know, the entire
car ride, he was just grilling me with questions about
philosophy and American history and asking me what the answers were.
And when I didn't have them, you know, I thought
to myself, you know, this guy probably thinks, you know,
I'm not very smart. This is my hero. And I
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probably just let him down. And once we got to
the airport, he goes, I don't think you should go
to college. And in my head, subconsciously, I'm thinking, he
doesn't want me to go to college because he probably
thinks I'm an idiot for not answering all these questions.
But he goes, no, I don't want you to go
to college. I want you to come work for me instead.
I want you to come work at Turning Point. And,
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you know, I ended up accepting that offer and it
was the greatest offer I ever accepted. But, you know,
as I reflected on that, you know, why would Charlie
want to offer me a job? You know, I'm an
18 year old with zero life experience and obviously not
that smart because I hadn't answered any of his questions.
And I pondered that and I sat on it. And
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the answer lies in what he did. He went on
college campuses consistently and authentically because he loved young people.
He saw something in young people that we didn't even
see in ourselves. He saw something in me that I
didn't even see in myself. And he wanted to call
us to something greater. He wanted to challenge us, push
us harder. You know, Charlie didn't just show up on
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college campuses to pander to young people. You know, he
certainly wasn't the first to show up on college campus,
but he was the one that showed up and told
young people not what they wanted to hear, but what
they ought to hear. You know, get married young, have
more children than you can afford. And you said this earlier,
Charlie wasn't an elected official. He wasn't a politician either.
But somehow he was one of the most powerful people
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in the private sector to influence the government. I had
the privilege of having kind of a front row seat
to watching Charlie at these debates on college campuses and
at churches. And one of the times that I remember
is You know, he had this question from a student
asking him about single-family housing and if they would ever
be able to afford homes and be able to afford
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getting married. And it wasn't but two days later, we're
at the White House, and I witnessed Charlie at the
White House regurgitate those exact same talking points to the
president and his staff. You know, we really ought to
figure out how to make sure young people can afford
homes and have a future in this country and have
an America that we were able to enjoy, not a
different version of it. And In a way, Charlie was
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like an unpaid, powerful lobbyist for young people because he
loved young people. He cared about young people. He went
to college campuses. He used to say, I'm here to
do three things, teach, learn, and listen. And if I'm
not doing all three, I'm not doing a good job.
Half the time he was talking to young people, his
microphone was down on the table. He was listening to them.
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And that was something he loved young people. He wanted
to listen to what they had to say, and he
wanted to offer a solution. And parents heard about Charlie
Kirk from their kids. Their kids were the ones that
would say, hey, there's this guy on social media. You've
got to hear about this guy. He's amazing. Right. We
ought to make sure that we continue looking out for
(28:42):
young people and care for them the way that Charlie did.
There's a tremendous accountability on everybody's shoulders to do that
and to honor him, especially as we approach this one-year anniversary.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Well, our daughter, who was a student that had gone
to Utah Valley University, You know, I've been in politics.
I've been in Congress. I, you know, you meet and
see and interact with a lot of people and she
got to introduced and go to the white house and
do all kinds of fun stuff. But there are only
two people that she really wanted to spend time with
and talk to. One was president Trump. And the second
(29:16):
one was Charlie Kirk. And that's why four of our
family members were there that day because Charlie was going
to be on campus and she witnessed it too. And,
and it was, you know, it's just absolutely horrific. I,
The one other thing I've mentioned before, and I won't
wax on about this, but later that night, I got
(29:36):
a call from President Trump. And I remember talking to him.
speaking with the president about Charlie and how much Charlie
meant to him personally. And that the president said, I
don't know if I would be the president of the
United States without Charlie Kirk, because he did have so
much of an impact. And for a person his age,
(29:57):
um and not being an elected official not a trust
fund baby not anything else he actually made the argument
and uh it was resonating and i think that's what
scared the left i think that's what propelled so many
people to try to take him on and we don't
know but maybe that's ultimately what cost him his life
(30:18):
but he was making the case i i i had
told my wife and others i really thought that Charlie,
at some point in our lifetime, was going to be
the president of the United States, but his life was
cut far too short. Final thoughts, Michael, as we kind
of wrap up this segment. And sorry, you have to
go through the hardness and the difficultness with Charlie Kirk,
(30:39):
with his greater family and the people at Turning Point.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Thank you. You know, my final thoughts, and you said it,
at such a young age, he was able to accomplish
so much. Charlie remembered that young people are able to
accomplish so much. There's a tendency sometimes to write off
young people, to think that they're not capable. But as
you look in our rich founding in the history of
(31:04):
our country, we're a country that was, for the most part,
founded by young people. The average age of a Continental
Army soldier was a 19- to 20-year-old. Thomas Jefferson was
33 when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. He was
two years older than Charlie Kirk. James Monroe was 18
when he left college to go fight for independence. Alexander
(31:25):
Hamilton was, I think, 19 when he became right hand
to Washington. And so young people have a rich history
in this country and they're capable, more capable than they
think to fight for independence, to fight for truth, to
stand up when they don't think that they have the
strength to do so. And so you too, if you're
listening to this as a young person, you too can
(31:47):
become someone like Charlie Kirk. You can become somebody like
our founding fathers. You know, the youngest signer of the
Declaration of Independence was only 26 years old. You can
be one of those people. You can be a young
person in a powerful room and you can enact a
lot of change. And so live like Charlie Kirk. Be
like Charlie Kirk. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
It's a great message. Michael McCoy, thank you so much
for joining us on the Sean Hannity Show. And, uh,
It's going to be a tough day on the 10th,
but let's all remember, never forget, but also live the
message as you so articulately said. Let's live that throughout
the year, not just on September 10th. Thanks so much
(32:26):
for joining us and stay with us. We're going to
be right back.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
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Speaker 4 (33:14):
Hey, this is Jason Chaffetz. I want to thank Sean
Hannity and his team for allowing me to fill in
for him. Honor and a privilege. As I said before,
not many people get to do it. A lot of
people want to, but not many people get to. So
I appreciate the confidence. And hear me out. Now, the
United States, we got problems. We got challenges. There's frustrations.
(33:36):
There's a lot of bad things happening. But, you know,
it's still the greatest country on the face of the planet. Somehow, someway,
we figured this out. And it's the people of our
country that make us so good, so strong, so vibrant
in everything we do. And to those in the United
States military, those the first responders here at home, thank you,
thank you, thank you for all you do and how
(33:56):
you do it. There's a lot of people away and
they're serving overseas and they're at a military base or
on a ship or something. And you know what? God
bless you. We're thinking of you. We love you. We
need you. It is imperative to what you do and
how you do it. and just know that the love
of the American people, the support, even though you may
hear a bunch of garbage online, it's still the greatest country.
(34:20):
I'm Jason Chaffetz. You can find me at JasonInTheHouse on
all my social media and my podcast. Just type in JasonInTheHouse.
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