January 14, 2026 • 31 mins
In this hour, Sean examines the escalating protests in Iran, airing President Trumps message to demonstrators and noting reports of evacuations of U.S. personnel from regional bases. He speaks with Amir Fakhravar and Congressman Zach Nunn about alleged mass killings by the IRGC, maximum-pressure sanctions, and the case for targeted strikes without boots on the ground. Sean opens the phones for a debate over arming protesters and how the Trump doctrine applies. He also updates an ICE case involving Renee Good, relaying official's statements that an agent suffered internal bleeding during the incident.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine four one,
Shawn our number. You want to be a part of
the program. This is President Trump yesterday encouraging the protesters
in Iran to keep protesting and that help is on
the way.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Here's what he said to all Iranian patriots, keep protesting,
take over your institutions if possible, and save the name
of the killers and the abusers that are abusing you.
You're being very badly abused. Then I've canceled all meetings
with the Iranian officials until the senseless killing of protesters stops.
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And all I say to them is help is on
its way. You saw that I put tariffs on anybody
doing business with Iran, just went into effect today, and
I say, make I ran great again. You know, it
was a great country until these monsters came in and
took it over.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now this is seemingly getting worse by the day. The
Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces have been out just slaughtering people.
You have to imagine that President Trump means everything that
he says. He doesn't make idle threats. That's one thing
we know about the president and we have right now.
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What's happening is an evacuation. Very key personnel at key
US military bases in the region, for example, at a
Cutter have been advised to evacuate.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
That is now ongoing on an.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Expedited basis, which would I think a pretty strong warning
that something militarily may happen with the president. I've got
to imagine there may be an attempt to get some
type of arms into the hands of protesters. You can't
win a revolution with a slingshot or a bottle or
a brick. It's just not going to work. We have
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Bill Ackman put this out on x earlier today. I
actually passed it on to Sean Current, the head of
the Secret Service Islamic Republic State TV.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
He points out across the.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Red line, airing the image of President Trump after the
assassination attempt, along with a Persian message reading quote this
time the bullet won't miss a direct threat against the president.
Obviously here arranging leaders now are signaling that fast trials
and executions the protesters are now beginning. We expected that
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first one to happen today. Haven't got confirmation. A twenty
six year old expecting the security forces their crackdown has
killed as many as twenty thousand people to date, so
I would imagine help is on the way. But I
think the President very wisely is putting the safety and
security of Americans in the region first and getting them out.
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I know they've expedited that mission to date, and I
would expect that the President means what he says. The
very strong action against Iran and the regime you know
is is about to happen. He wouldn't be telling the
protesters to keep protesting otherwise. Joining us now is Amir Fakrovar.
(03:09):
He's now teaching cooperative constitutional law at Texas State University.
Author of the best selling book in Iran, Comrade Ayatola.
He's also the National Iranian Congress Senate Chairman. Also joining
us as Congressman Zach Nunn of Iowa, a member of
the Four Country Caucus, which is Iraq and Iran veterans
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serving in the House. Thank you both for being here. Amir,
let me start with you. What are you hearing from
people on the ground. The images I'm seeing are just,
you know, from a horror movie.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
They're horrific.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Thank you. Thank you Sean for having me since last
week when we spoke. We lost at least twenty thousand,
very brave Iranians, the heroes. Yeah, regime have done another massacre.
It's the largest one and in two days, in forty
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eight hours, they killed up to now we know the
number is at least twenty thousand, and it will go
up maybe to fifty thousand. You cannot hear such a
thing in modern history. And it's we are all very
worried about the people inside the country.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Every single family they lost some family members, all of
us which we are living in exile, ten million Iranians
in exile. We have our family inside and all of
us we lost some family members.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It was a massacre, bloody massacre.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Regime killed with drone, with the drone show Head drone,
which IRGC gave two hundred twenty five hundreds of those
drones to Russia to kill the Ukrainian civilians. They are
you using right now those drones to kill the protesters
in street. And just think about this tyranny, this brutal regime.
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They have thousands of missiles and they if they can
kill their own people. Most of the people who have
been killed, they are teenagers, they're very young, and if
regime can kill them that easy, Oh, yes, they will
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use those ballistic missiles when they can breathe. Right now,
they cannot breathe because with the heart sanctioned President Trump
just got them. And if they can feel a little
space to breathe, then regime definitely will go to hit Israel,
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will go to hit the European capitals, and they are
planning with the help of China to hit New York, Florida, Morolago.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And you have seen in the.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Photo on Iranian state TV today which was widely broadcasted,
that yes, this time we will not miss the target.
In farce, it's in em that says the first assassination
attempt was their job too. They're saying in Bard that
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means we did it before, we missed it. This time
we will not miss it. And it's this regime definitely.
President Trump should always when he said he's going to
punish them, he should go and punish them. He should
destroy entire Iranian missile facilities with the help of Israelis.
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And then we have some targets, Sean, we have some
very clear targets that the US Army can attack. We
are not talking about the boots on the ground, the
beautiful b toos and F thirty five's and F forty seven.
It can be the first mission. For F forty seven,
they can go and target. It's called the Pastor Area
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in Tehran, in the capitol of Iran. The Pastor area
is the different palaces of the King of Iran, the
last King of Iran, which all the Mulahs. They are
living in these palaces, including Mester's Supreme leader. This Pastor
area is gated, very secure. The people cannot go there.
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Whoever lives in that area. Please President Trump, remember Pastor Area.
Whoever lives there is either a mullahs, a killer or
their minions around. Yeah, the best target is Pastor area.
The Iranian missile facilities and the Homainies the founder of
Islamic revolutions. His shrine is another very good target for America.
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To President Trump, needs to send the very strong target
and Iranian State TV. Then they can understand they cannot
come and send some this type of message to President
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Congressman Zach Nunn, you're an American hero and you're now
an elected member of Congress from Iowa, and you're with
the Four Country Caucus, which is Iraq Iran veterans serving
in the house. Your former Air Force intelligence officer deployed
three times to the Middle East after nine to eleven.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
There, I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Among some people to some ambiguity. For me, I have
pretty I have moral clarity on this. There's there's no
doubt in my mind zero that the President did the
right thing by taking out Iran's nuclear sites. Number one
state sponsor of terror. They have threatened this country many,
many times. If they ever got weapons of mass destruction
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coupled with their radical ideology, I think it is a
clear and present danger to the entire world, never mind
the region we're watching mass slaughter of individuals. I think
the President's you know, the Trump doctrine, if you will,
which is no forever wars, no boots on the grounds,
I think is the perfect solution in this case. I
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think the President means what he says. The President is
evacuating military personnel on bases nearby that the Iranians might
be able to hit. Clearly something is on the way.
What would be the right response in your view?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Well, Sean, I think you were hitting this nail on
the head, and I want to say, our heart is
out to Amir, and you know his fellow warriors in
Iran right now, Amir and I both you know. I
saw at the Institute for World Politics here in DC
for a while. But Sean, my head is with the
President on this. He has approached this the absolute right way.
I've flown out of that bass in guitar how ud
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Air his based fly in combat recont operations off the
coast of Iran. The Iranians always threatening to shoot us
down every single time. They have no problems coming after
the United States. And here's the reality. Iran, just in
the last years alone has been the number one funder
to Hamas in Lebanon, to hesb Law in Lebanon and Gaza,
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as well as what the Huthi rebels have done by
shooting at US area carrier strike groups, a rebel group
taking potshots at US carriers, and the Biden administration doing
nothing in response, embolden the Ayatola and the IRGC. And
so when we talk about what we can do in
response here, the President's approach is correct. First, I'm very
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proud in Congress that I'm leading the Iran maximum pressure campaign.
It's put real economic sanctions, cut off their ghost sleep,
stop their floil of oil to places like China where
they get their money to fund the IRGC and keep
the Ayatola in power. That is step one. But the
President also made very clear. You know, I flew some
of the first recommissions over Iraq that looked at Solamani,
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the IRGC commander, and President Trump in his first term
turned Solimani into Slami when he eliminated him as the
head of the IRGC. That's a very clear message to
folks back and iron Yet President Trump was going to
be different and so coming into his second term here
to see the Iranian people rides up against an oppressive
regime and to not only lend support, but to action
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economic sanctions against the Ayahtola to make sure that the
IRGC is unnoticed that if they shoot innocent civilians as
you have noted tragically in the back of the heads
to the tune of tens of thousands being executed publicly
and this.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Have you seen the videos that I've seen.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah, tragically, tragically, yes, But the reality here is Sean, I.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Mean, I want you to explain in your words, because
these are not images that will ever leave you in
my view, That's why I can't air them on TV.
I kids are watching my show. I don't want that
that in their head for the rest of their life.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Sean, you are absolutely right. We fly a recomplaint that
listens to what's happening on the ground and to hear
people screaming for their life as they are lined up
and executed with shots to the back of the head.
And these aren't just protesters. These are Iranians across one
hundred and eighty different cities in all thirty one provinces,
who have tried to stand up for basic survivability. And
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the Iranian people themselves are great, they are huge allies,
they are huge potential partners with us in this region.
But the reality is here. This country is under the
iron grip of the IRGC, and this is where after
what you and I have seen it, I guarantee the
president has seen even worse. And so when he talks
about taking tactical but lethal strikes, there are value add
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targets here in eliminating IRGC command. I don't want to
bomb this country into the stone Age. I don't want
to see boots on the ground. I want to see
the biggest.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Ohry For those that don't. You're talking about the Iranian
Revolutionary Guard.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
That's right, Yeah, the IGC. There's two militaries effectively within Iran.
Many know this. There's the Iranian military, which serves as
basically just defense, and then there's the IRGC, which sponsors
terrorism and tries to project Iran abroad. The reality here
is protests alone are not going to be enough to
destroy the Iyatola and the death that he's done. To
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hold him in check. The IRGC has to be clipped.
And that's the safeguard not only for the Ironium people.
It's a safeguard for the two thousand Iowa National Guards
members from my home state who are deployed right now
trying to protect you as interests abroad. It's a protection
for Americans when there are IGC operations being carried out
at our southern border in the United States and Sean.
To your very acute point here, the IRGC has come
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up multiple times to try and recruit people to assassinate
the President of the United States, President Trump. This is
a regime that's intent on trying to topple our president
and is hurting millions of folks the world over. Targeted
strikes on the RGC are an effective way to clip
their ability to harm the Iranian people, and ultimately, the
Ironian people have to decide what their future is going
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to look like and how they're going.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
The US Committee and I'd like to see them get armed.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I think, you know, if there's a way to get
them armed so they can fight back. You can't win
a revolution with a slingshot. Listen, I could talk to
both of you forever. We're gonna probably have you back
this week. But you know, thank you, Congressman for your
service number one, and thanks for your passion and your
clarity on all of this. Emir Fakrovar. We appreciate your passion,
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and we are praying for a speedy, you know, transformation.
The death the slaughter has to stop. I wish I
could share with everybody what I what I'm seeing. I
wish I could. I can't, It's that bad. But I
appreciate both of you a mere thank you, and Congressman,
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thank you. We appreciate you both, and we will have
you back to talk more about this. This is a
developing story as the President now has ordered troops in
the region to come home, and that would tell me
just the opposite of what some of you may think
that probably some action is imminent. Quick break right back
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will continue on the other side. So Renee good the
woman that went and reverse and then hit this officer.
Now we updated earlier today that story because I think
it's important that people understand that the officer in this
particular case that oh the media has been saying never
(15:17):
got hit. Well, it turns out he suffered internal bleeding
after being clipped in that encounter. The ICE agent suffered
the bleeding to his torso according to DHS officials, I'm
sure that's going to be corroborated in the days and
weeks ahead. Anyway, Renee's father, Tim Macklin is his name, apparently,
(15:38):
was on fake News CNN last night.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Well, you know, I'm not blaming anybody. I mean, it's
a hard situation all the way around. It's it's hard
for the you know, for everybody involved. I mean the
US agent. You know, at first, I didn't see the
footage where you know, he was actually you know, he
was actually been ran. I mean I seen the bump
of the car hitting you know, hitting his legs, and
so in a you know, in a flash like that,
(16:02):
it's it's hard to say how you would react from
my understanding that he had been through that before, maybe
dragged or something, and so, uh, you know, like I said,
it's just it's just a hard situation for everybody.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
You know Becca, you know it's she's a great person
as well. I mean, you know, I don't have any
many enemies. I love everybody, and and that's what the
Bible tells us, what our neighbors as we love ourselves.
But you know, I think there's some bad choices and
the word says for the raptid God would come up
on the turn of disobedience, and you know it's it's Uh,
I don't blame us. I don't blame Rebecca. I don't
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blame Renee. I just you know, I just wish that
you know, if if a walking the spirit of God,
I don't think she would have been there. That's that's
why I look at it.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No, you just you can't take a car which is
a weapon, and the law backs up, the law enforcement
backs up law enforcement. Uh, on the legal merits and
use it as a weapon and drive and accelerate towards
an officer. And now that we have more details about
his injuries, I think that puts to rest any notion
(17:10):
that the officer was not hit. Anyway, let's get to
our busy phones. Brandon, Missouri, Brandon, how are you glad
you called?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Thanks for checking in, Thanks for taking my call, Sean.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Is what a touch point here on the Iran situation
that we have gone on in our involvement with that.
I really don't think we belong over there, involved deeply
in that. I know we have talked about limited capabilities,
but in involvement in that, but I don't know how
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limited limited is. I mean we talk in sending some
of our protesters in Minneapolis and Portland over there to
help out, or what are we talking about here?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
The number one state sponsor of terror over the years,
they have killed Americans, They've threatened America many many times.
And you know they are a geopolitical enemy. We know
the work of Solo money that we know they killed
Americans in Iraq. Do you think it was the wrong
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call for President Trump to take out the nuclear facilities?
Do you think it was in our long term national
strategic America first interest to prevent that right radical ideology
from ever having weapons of mass destruction like.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Nuclear weapons agreed, showing yes I do.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay, Now, there are a number of other questions. Here,
is it in our long term national interest America first interest,
if this regime were to go away?
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (18:45):
Absolutely, yes, I think it would be great.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Kay, all right, fair enough?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So if the president Now, I don't think it's an
accident what we're witnessing and what we're watching out of
the Mid East. And I mentioned at the beginning of
the program today that you have Islamic Republic State TV
airing an image of President Trump after the assassination attempting Butler,
along with a Persian message reading quote this time the
(19:12):
bullet won't miss. Bill Lackman put that out on X Today,
a direct threat against the president. But we do know
that the Iranians have threatened death to America, death to Israel, so.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
On and so forth.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So if you know it doesn't mean that what might
replace it. I don't think you can get much worse
than what we have there. Here's another question. And I
know we can't be the world's policeman, but when you
see twenty thousand people and maybe the numbers upwards of that, now,
I don't know, and we're only getting scattered reports on this.
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When you see a mass slaughter of people and with
the might of America, should we just sit back and
do nothing? Should we just let these people get slaughtered?
Or good America use it's military as a force for
humanitarian good at times when possible to save lives, because
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that's what that's part of the equation here too.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Yeah, Sean, I don't think this is an either or situation.
I think this.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Is it kind of is either we're going to help
or we're not, one or the other. It really is
either or.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
I say that we help, I agree with that, but
to what context. I mean we you know, are we
talking about sending arms over there?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know, the United Yeah, I think that if I
had to guess what's going to happen, and you see
that President Trump now is we have been pulling out.
Our forces are from bases all over the region so
that our military won't be you know, sitting ducks and
targets there. The President has said help is on the way.
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Do I think arming the city of Iran as part
of the equation will be part of the equation. Absolutely,
But I don't think the President gives idle threats either
when he says help is on the way to you.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
No, I do not. And I think that's actually something
that we need to push more for, is the people
taking back their independence themselves. It means a lot more
to the populace when they gain their right for existence
or democracy than it is just handed to them. They
cherish it and they will fight for it more.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I agree in principle. I wish all of that were true.
Here's the problem. You have a population that is completely unarmed.
You're not going to win a revolution with a slingshot,
a Molotov cocktail and a rock.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
When you're going up against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and
a ruthless regime that puts no value on human life.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And that's what we're dealing with here.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Yeah. Yeah, and I guess I would ask where are
allies in this sean?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I mean, really, far as I'm concerned, they're useless.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I've all but pretty much given up hope on NATO
and Europe and their ability to be an effective fighting force.
I mean, you can see the open contempt that people
like Vladimir Putin have now. Putin fears Trump, he doesn't
fear Europe and that's because they have allowed themselves to disintegrate, deteriorate.
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And you know, when Great Britain has eighty some on
Cheria courts and they're not insisting on assimilation within their
own society and among people they're allowing into their country,
they want to be separate and apart from the people
of Great Britain. I think that's a big mistake. Yeah,
but you know, I think we've actually come to an understanding.
I think I've kind of brought you more to my
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side here. I don't want forever wars. Now, this is
what the beauty of the Trump doctrine to me is
no forever war, no boots on the ground, surgical strikes,
but also the the need and moral imperative to act
on threats and act on you know, just pure evil
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in our time. I mean, if the world, the world
in many ways turned a blind eye, I think you
would agree to a lot of the atrocities that were
going on in Nazi Germany and the world acted too late.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 8 (23:21):
Yes? I would. I would also believe that that during
that time, I don't believe it is publicized that we
didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Oh, we the world knew.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Actually a lot of the world knew and was was
there are too many people were keenly aware they were.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It was not. It didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It did not go unnoticed what was happening. But I'd say, here,
now we do know what's happening, and trust me, I don't.
I don't want American treasure, our sons and daughters at
risk and harm's way. However, I think we have to
be strategic and long term in our thinking and our law,
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long term strategic goals. That's why taking out their nuclear sites,
to me was moral imperative. And there are some people
that have interpreted the Trump doctrine to mean isolationism. I'm
not an isolationist, and I do believe that America, when possible,
if it sees slaughter and death, like for example, you
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know the murder of Christians in Nigeria, President Trump acted
on Christmas Day, of all days, that was the Christmas
President to Christians in Nigeria because they were being slaughtered.
And I think the president here we see a mass slaughter,
the President is saying, don't stop. Help is on the way,
and I think that help will manifest itself in numerous ways.
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Not the least of which is arming the people that
are fighting the revolutionary guards. And I think secondarily, I
think those people responsible for the mass murder of innocent
people are going to pay a price, and ultimately, you know,
maybe they'll be a change ran for the better and
there'll be peace in the region and we'll have a
partner with the Uranian people.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
That would be the best outcome.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Absolutely, Sean, I just fear that with that we might
end up in a situation like Afghanistan. We help the
populace too, help.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Not Donald Trump. Not gonna happen. It will never happen.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
No. What I mean is we help the populace prior
to the Soviet Union coming into Afghanistan, and then there
we are thirty and forty late years later dealing with
our own firearms against us. That is what my concern
is for the long term.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't think that's the type of weaponry that they're
going to be providing people. If I had to guess. Again,
I'm not speaking from any point of knowledge here, but
there are people even within our movement that disagree with
what I'm saying, and I'm perfectly fine with that. Everyone's
entitled to their own opinion. But if you're asking me,
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I think the Trump doctrine dreads the needle perfectly. I
think it is. You know, we can't have forever wars.
We can't put kids on the ground in Iraq, in
Afghanistan for twenty years, stepping over IEDs and all this crap. No,
but I do believe that we can strategically and surgically
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use our military might and have effective change and offer
solidarity and support when slaughter is happening before our eyes.
I do believe we have a moral imperative for that.
For me, it's the beauty of America being in a
position to be able to do that. Anyway, I really
appreciate the thoughtful I don't even think we really disagree.
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I appreciate the thoughtful discussion. I really do. I think
it's important.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
All right, quick break right back to our busy phones
eight hundred and nine four one, Sean. If you want
to be a part of the program as we continue.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
The final hour of the Sean Hannity Show was up next,
hang on for Sean's conservative shoes.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Let's get back to our busy phones eight hundred nine
four one. Shawn our number, John in California, the United
Socialist utopia of Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
What's up, John? How are you.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Happy New Years? Shawn?
Speaker 10 (27:40):
No, I'm in the top third of California. It's a
whole different world. We're not part of the rest of
the state. Hey, that last, gentleman highlights something that I
wanted to talk to you about, because I think most
Americans have either forgotten or they don't realize that in
the sixties and seventies there were actually more mini skirts
in Iran than they were in the United States. That's
a country of one hundred million people.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Wait did you get that statistic from? I think it's funny,
But where'd you get it from?
Speaker 10 (28:06):
Well, my point is that there are one hundred million
Westerners fighting for their freedom in Iran. This is not
like any of the other countries in the Mid East.
That's a westernized country. They want our products and goods,
the big pictures. This is truly the greatest White Swan
event of the twenty first century. It's the biggest geopolitical
event ever because that market of one hundred million people
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will open up to American goods and services, and that
will be part of the alignment of influencing the oil
markets China against ninety percent of their oil from Iran.
With Venezuela and the South America situation unfolding.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
This white swan.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
These two white swans, the bigger one being around and
then the Venezuela South America component. All of a sudden,
the world changes dramatically. Hesbel and Hamas lose their funding.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
This is so huge, but people don't.
Speaker 10 (28:54):
Understand that's a Western country under the surface in Iran.
We're not going to have those factions of terrorists rising
back up.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 10 (29:03):
We screwed up with the Shaw and the whole thing
in seventy eight to seventy nine with Carter Brazinski, the
Brits and the France. So there's all sorts of strange
reasons that never should have happened. We misread the whole
thing and we put these right through Hell and Iran
for forty seven years, and that's coming to an end because.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
We are living through historic times. This is a geo
political realignment and earthquake the likes of which has not
happened since the fall of the Berlin Wall, maybe bigger
in scope. Good call, John, I appreciate it. Eight hundred
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the program. This is President Trump yesterday encouraging the protesters
in Iran to keep protesting and that help is on
the way.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Here's what he said to all Iranian patriots, keep protesting,
take over your institutions if possible, and save the name
of the killers and the abusers that are abusing you.
You're being very badly abused. Then I've canceled all meetings
with the Iranian officials until the senseless killing of protesters stops.
(00:36):
And all I say to them is help is on
its way. You saw that I put tariffs on anybody
doing business with Iran, just went into effect today, and
I say, make I ran great again. You know, it
was a great country until these monsters came in and
took it over.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Now this is seemingly getting worse by the day. The
Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces have been out just slaughtering people.
You have to imagine that President Trump means everything that
he says. He doesn't make idle threats. That's one thing
we know about the president and we have right now.
(01:11):
What's happening is an evacuation. Very key personnel at key
US military bases in the region, for example, at a
Cutter have been advised to evacuate.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
That is now ongoing on an.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Expedited basis, which would I think a pretty strong warning
that something militarily may happen with the president. I've got
to imagine there may be an attempt to get some
type of arms into the hands of protesters. You can't
win a revolution with a slingshot or a bottle or
a brick. It's just not going to work. We have
(01:49):
Bill Ackman put this out on x earlier today. I
actually passed it on to Sean Current, the head of
the Secret Service Islamic Republic State TV.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
He points out across the.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Red line, airing the image of President Trump after the
assassination attempt, along with a Persian message reading quote this
time the bullet won't miss a direct threat against the president.
Obviously here arranging leaders now are signaling that fast trials
and executions the protesters are now beginning. We expected that
(02:23):
first one to happen today. Haven't got confirmation. A twenty
six year old expecting the security forces their crackdown has
killed as many as twenty thousand people to date, so
I would imagine help is on the way. But I
think the President very wisely is putting the safety and
security of Americans in the region first and getting them out.
(02:47):
I know they've expedited that mission to date, and I
would expect that the President means what he says. The
very strong action against Iran and the regime you know
is is about to happen. He wouldn't be telling the
protesters to keep protesting otherwise. Joining us now is Amir Fakrovar.
(03:09):
He's now teaching cooperative constitutional law at Texas State University.
Author of the best selling book in Iran, Comrade Ayatola.
He's also the National Iranian Congress Senate Chairman. Also joining
us as Congressman Zach Nunn of Iowa, a member of
the Four Country Caucus, which is Iraq and Iran veterans
(03:32):
serving in the House. Thank you both for being here. Amir,
let me start with you. What are you hearing from
people on the ground. The images I'm seeing are just,
you know, from a horror movie.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
They're horrific.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Thank you. Thank you Sean for having me since last
week when we spoke. We lost at least twenty thousand,
very brave Iranians, the heroes. Yeah, regime have done another massacre.
It's the largest one and in two days, in forty
(04:08):
eight hours, they killed up to now we know the
number is at least twenty thousand, and it will go
up maybe to fifty thousand. You cannot hear such a
thing in modern history. And it's we are all very
worried about the people inside the country.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Every single family they lost some family members, all of
us which we are living in exile, ten million Iranians
in exile. We have our family inside and all of
us we lost some family members.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It was a massacre, bloody massacre.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Regime killed with drone, with the drone show Head drone,
which IRGC gave two hundred twenty five hundreds of those
drones to Russia to kill the Ukrainian civilians. They are
you using right now those drones to kill the protesters
in street. And just think about this tyranny, this brutal regime.
(05:09):
They have thousands of missiles and they if they can
kill their own people. Most of the people who have
been killed, they are teenagers, they're very young, and if
regime can kill them that easy, Oh, yes, they will
(05:30):
use those ballistic missiles when they can breathe. Right now,
they cannot breathe because with the heart sanctioned President Trump
just got them. And if they can feel a little
space to breathe, then regime definitely will go to hit Israel,
(05:50):
will go to hit the European capitals, and they are
planning with the help of China to hit New York, Florida, Morolago.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
And you have seen in the.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Photo on Iranian state TV today which was widely broadcasted,
that yes, this time we will not miss the target.
In farce, it's in em that says the first assassination
attempt was their job too. They're saying in Bard that
(06:22):
means we did it before, we missed it. This time
we will not miss it. And it's this regime definitely.
President Trump should always when he said he's going to
punish them, he should go and punish them. He should
destroy entire Iranian missile facilities with the help of Israelis.
(06:43):
And then we have some targets, Sean, we have some
very clear targets that the US Army can attack. We
are not talking about the boots on the ground, the
beautiful b toos and F thirty five's and F forty seven.
It can be the first mission. For F forty seven,
they can go and target. It's called the Pastor Area
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in Tehran, in the capitol of Iran. The Pastor area
is the different palaces of the King of Iran, the
last King of Iran, which all the Mulahs. They are
living in these palaces, including Mester's Supreme leader. This Pastor
area is gated, very secure. The people cannot go there.
(07:24):
Whoever lives in that area. Please President Trump, remember Pastor Area.
Whoever lives there is either a mullahs, a killer or
their minions around. Yeah, the best target is Pastor area.
The Iranian missile facilities and the Homainies the founder of
Islamic revolutions. His shrine is another very good target for America.
(07:50):
To President Trump, needs to send the very strong target
and Iranian State TV. Then they can understand they cannot
come and send some this type of message to President
of the United States.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Congressman Zach Nunn, you're an American hero and you're now
an elected member of Congress from Iowa, and you're with
the Four Country Caucus, which is Iraq Iran veterans serving
in the house. Your former Air Force intelligence officer deployed
three times to the Middle East after nine to eleven.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
There, I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Among some people to some ambiguity. For me, I have
pretty I have moral clarity on this. There's there's no
doubt in my mind zero that the President did the
right thing by taking out Iran's nuclear sites. Number one
state sponsor of terror. They have threatened this country many,
many times. If they ever got weapons of mass destruction
(08:48):
coupled with their radical ideology, I think it is a
clear and present danger to the entire world, never mind
the region we're watching mass slaughter of individuals. I think
the President's you know, the Trump doctrine, if you will,
which is no forever wars, no boots on the grounds,
I think is the perfect solution in this case. I
(09:10):
think the President means what he says. The President is
evacuating military personnel on bases nearby that the Iranians might
be able to hit. Clearly something is on the way.
What would be the right response in your view?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Well, Sean, I think you were hitting this nail on
the head, and I want to say, our heart is
out to Amir, and you know his fellow warriors in
Iran right now, Amir and I both you know. I
saw at the Institute for World Politics here in DC
for a while. But Sean, my head is with the
President on this. He has approached this the absolute right way.
I've flown out of that bass in guitar how ud
(09:45):
Air his based fly in combat recont operations off the
coast of Iran. The Iranians always threatening to shoot us
down every single time. They have no problems coming after
the United States. And here's the reality. Iran, just in
the last years alone has been the number one funder
to Hamas in Lebanon, to hesb Law in Lebanon and Gaza,
(10:09):
as well as what the Huthi rebels have done by
shooting at US area carrier strike groups, a rebel group
taking potshots at US carriers, and the Biden administration doing
nothing in response, embolden the Ayatola and the IRGC. And
so when we talk about what we can do in
response here, the President's approach is correct. First, I'm very
(10:29):
proud in Congress that I'm leading the Iran maximum pressure campaign.
It's put real economic sanctions, cut off their ghost sleep,
stop their floil of oil to places like China where
they get their money to fund the IRGC and keep
the Ayatola in power. That is step one. But the
President also made very clear. You know, I flew some
of the first recommissions over Iraq that looked at Solamani,
(10:52):
the IRGC commander, and President Trump in his first term
turned Solimani into Slami when he eliminated him as the
head of the IRGC. That's a very clear message to
folks back and iron Yet President Trump was going to
be different and so coming into his second term here
to see the Iranian people rides up against an oppressive
regime and to not only lend support, but to action
(11:15):
economic sanctions against the Ayahtola to make sure that the
IRGC is unnoticed that if they shoot innocent civilians as
you have noted tragically in the back of the heads
to the tune of tens of thousands being executed publicly
and this.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Have you seen the videos that I've seen.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah, tragically, tragically, yes, But the reality here is Sean, I.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Mean, I want you to explain in your words, because
these are not images that will ever leave you in
my view, That's why I can't air them on TV.
I kids are watching my show. I don't want that
that in their head for the rest of their life.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Sean, you are absolutely right. We fly a recomplaint that
listens to what's happening on the ground and to hear
people screaming for their life as they are lined up
and executed with shots to the back of the head.
And these aren't just protesters. These are Iranians across one
hundred and eighty different cities in all thirty one provinces,
who have tried to stand up for basic survivability. And
(12:10):
the Iranian people themselves are great, they are huge allies,
they are huge potential partners with us in this region.
But the reality is here. This country is under the
iron grip of the IRGC, and this is where after
what you and I have seen it, I guarantee the
president has seen even worse. And so when he talks
about taking tactical but lethal strikes, there are value add
(12:32):
targets here in eliminating IRGC command. I don't want to
bomb this country into the stone Age. I don't want
to see boots on the ground. I want to see
the biggest.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Ohry For those that don't. You're talking about the Iranian
Revolutionary Guard.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
That's right, Yeah, the IGC. There's two militaries effectively within Iran.
Many know this. There's the Iranian military, which serves as
basically just defense, and then there's the IRGC, which sponsors
terrorism and tries to project Iran abroad. The reality here
is protests alone are not going to be enough to
destroy the Iyatola and the death that he's done. To
(13:04):
hold him in check. The IRGC has to be clipped.
And that's the safeguard not only for the Ironium people.
It's a safeguard for the two thousand Iowa National Guards
members from my home state who are deployed right now
trying to protect you as interests abroad. It's a protection
for Americans when there are IGC operations being carried out
at our southern border in the United States and Sean.
To your very acute point here, the IRGC has come
(13:25):
up multiple times to try and recruit people to assassinate
the President of the United States, President Trump. This is
a regime that's intent on trying to topple our president
and is hurting millions of folks the world over. Targeted
strikes on the RGC are an effective way to clip
their ability to harm the Iranian people, and ultimately, the
Ironian people have to decide what their future is going
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to look like and how they're going.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
The US Committee and I'd like to see them get armed.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I think, you know, if there's a way to get
them armed so they can fight back. You can't win
a revolution with a slingshot. Listen, I could talk to
both of you forever. We're gonna probably have you back
this week. But you know, thank you, Congressman for your
service number one, and thanks for your passion and your
clarity on all of this. Emir Fakrovar. We appreciate your passion,
(14:16):
and we are praying for a speedy, you know, transformation.
The death the slaughter has to stop. I wish I
could share with everybody what I what I'm seeing. I
wish I could. I can't, It's that bad. But I
appreciate both of you a mere thank you, and Congressman,
(14:36):
thank you. We appreciate you both, and we will have
you back to talk more about this. This is a
developing story as the President now has ordered troops in
the region to come home, and that would tell me
just the opposite of what some of you may think
that probably some action is imminent. Quick break right back
(14:57):
will continue on the other side. So Renee good the
woman that went and reverse and then hit this officer.
Now we updated earlier today that story because I think
it's important that people understand that the officer in this
particular case that oh the media has been saying never
(15:17):
got hit. Well, it turns out he suffered internal bleeding
after being clipped in that encounter. The ICE agent suffered
the bleeding to his torso according to DHS officials, I'm
sure that's going to be corroborated in the days and
weeks ahead. Anyway, Renee's father, Tim Macklin is his name, apparently,
(15:38):
was on fake News CNN last night.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Well, you know, I'm not blaming anybody. I mean, it's
a hard situation all the way around. It's it's hard
for the you know, for everybody involved. I mean the
US agent. You know, at first, I didn't see the
footage where you know, he was actually you know, he
was actually been ran. I mean I seen the bump
of the car hitting you know, hitting his legs, and
so in a you know, in a flash like that,
(16:02):
it's it's hard to say how you would react from
my understanding that he had been through that before, maybe
dragged or something, and so, uh, you know, like I said,
it's just it's just a hard situation for everybody.
Speaker 8 (16:15):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
You know Becca, you know it's she's a great person
as well. I mean, you know, I don't have any
many enemies. I love everybody, and and that's what the
Bible tells us, what our neighbors as we love ourselves.
But you know, I think there's some bad choices and
the word says for the raptid God would come up
on the turn of disobedience, and you know it's it's Uh,
I don't blame us. I don't blame Rebecca. I don't
(16:37):
blame Renee. I just you know, I just wish that
you know, if if a walking the spirit of God,
I don't think she would have been there. That's that's
why I look at it.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No, you just you can't take a car which is
a weapon, and the law backs up, the law enforcement
backs up law enforcement. Uh, on the legal merits and
use it as a weapon and drive and accelerate towards
an officer. And now that we have more details about
his injuries, I think that puts to rest any notion
(17:10):
that the officer was not hit. Anyway, let's get to
our busy phones. Brandon, Missouri, Brandon, how are you glad
you called?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Thanks for checking in, Thanks for taking my call, Sean.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Is what a touch point here on the Iran situation
that we have gone on in our involvement with that.
I really don't think we belong over there, involved deeply
in that. I know we have talked about limited capabilities,
but in involvement in that, but I don't know how
(17:41):
limited limited is. I mean we talk in sending some
of our protesters in Minneapolis and Portland over there to
help out, or what are we talking about here?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
The number one state sponsor of terror over the years,
they have killed Americans, They've threatened America many many times.
And you know they are a geopolitical enemy. We know
the work of Solo money that we know they killed
Americans in Iraq. Do you think it was the wrong
(18:14):
call for President Trump to take out the nuclear facilities?
Do you think it was in our long term national
strategic America first interest to prevent that right radical ideology
from ever having weapons of mass destruction like.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Nuclear weapons agreed, showing yes I do.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay, Now, there are a number of other questions. Here,
is it in our long term national interest America first interest,
if this regime were to go away?
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (18:45):
Absolutely, yes, I think it would be great.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Kay, all right, fair enough?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So if the president Now, I don't think it's an
accident what we're witnessing and what we're watching out of
the Mid East. And I mentioned at the beginning of
the program today that you have Islamic Republic State TV
airing an image of President Trump after the assassination attempting Butler,
along with a Persian message reading quote this time the
(19:12):
bullet won't miss. Bill Lackman put that out on X Today,
a direct threat against the president. But we do know
that the Iranians have threatened death to America, death to Israel, so.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
On and so forth.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So if you know it doesn't mean that what might
replace it. I don't think you can get much worse
than what we have there. Here's another question. And I
know we can't be the world's policeman, but when you
see twenty thousand people and maybe the numbers upwards of that, now,
I don't know, and we're only getting scattered reports on this.
(19:47):
When you see a mass slaughter of people and with
the might of America, should we just sit back and
do nothing? Should we just let these people get slaughtered?
Or good America use it's military as a force for
humanitarian good at times when possible to save lives, because
(20:11):
that's what that's part of the equation here too.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Yeah, Sean, I don't think this is an either or situation.
I think this.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Is it kind of is either we're going to help
or we're not, one or the other. It really is
either or.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
I say that we help, I agree with that, but
to what context. I mean we you know, are we
talking about sending arms over there?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know, the United Yeah, I think that if I
had to guess what's going to happen, and you see
that President Trump now is we have been pulling out.
Our forces are from bases all over the region so
that our military won't be you know, sitting ducks and
targets there. The President has said help is on the way.
(20:57):
Do I think arming the city of Iran as part
of the equation will be part of the equation. Absolutely,
But I don't think the President gives idle threats either
when he says help is on the way to you.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
No, I do not. And I think that's actually something
that we need to push more for, is the people
taking back their independence themselves. It means a lot more
to the populace when they gain their right for existence
or democracy than it is just handed to them. They
cherish it and they will fight for it more.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I agree in principle. I wish all of that were true.
Here's the problem. You have a population that is completely unarmed.
You're not going to win a revolution with a slingshot,
a Molotov cocktail and a rock.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
When you're going up against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and
a ruthless regime that puts no value on human life.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And that's what we're dealing with here.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Yeah. Yeah, and I guess I would ask where are
allies in this sean?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I mean, really, far as I'm concerned, they're useless.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I've all but pretty much given up hope on NATO
and Europe and their ability to be an effective fighting force.
I mean, you can see the open contempt that people
like Vladimir Putin have now. Putin fears Trump, he doesn't
fear Europe and that's because they have allowed themselves to disintegrate, deteriorate.
(22:24):
And you know, when Great Britain has eighty some on
Cheria courts and they're not insisting on assimilation within their
own society and among people they're allowing into their country,
they want to be separate and apart from the people
of Great Britain. I think that's a big mistake. Yeah,
but you know, I think we've actually come to an understanding.
I think I've kind of brought you more to my
(22:46):
side here. I don't want forever wars. Now, this is
what the beauty of the Trump doctrine to me is
no forever war, no boots on the ground, surgical strikes,
but also the the need and moral imperative to act
on threats and act on you know, just pure evil
(23:08):
in our time. I mean, if the world, the world
in many ways turned a blind eye, I think you
would agree to a lot of the atrocities that were
going on in Nazi Germany and the world acted too late.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 8 (23:21):
Yes? I would. I would also believe that that during
that time, I don't believe it is publicized that we
didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Oh, we the world knew.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Actually a lot of the world knew and was was
there are too many people were keenly aware they were.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It was not. It didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It did not go unnoticed what was happening. But I'd say, here,
now we do know what's happening, and trust me, I don't.
I don't want American treasure, our sons and daughters at
risk and harm's way. However, I think we have to
be strategic and long term in our thinking and our law,
(24:00):
long term strategic goals. That's why taking out their nuclear sites,
to me was moral imperative. And there are some people
that have interpreted the Trump doctrine to mean isolationism. I'm
not an isolationist, and I do believe that America, when possible,
if it sees slaughter and death, like for example, you
(24:21):
know the murder of Christians in Nigeria, President Trump acted
on Christmas Day, of all days, that was the Christmas
President to Christians in Nigeria because they were being slaughtered.
And I think the president here we see a mass slaughter,
the President is saying, don't stop. Help is on the way,
and I think that help will manifest itself in numerous ways.
(24:43):
Not the least of which is arming the people that
are fighting the revolutionary guards. And I think secondarily, I
think those people responsible for the mass murder of innocent
people are going to pay a price, and ultimately, you know,
maybe they'll be a change ran for the better and
there'll be peace in the region and we'll have a
partner with the Uranian people.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
That would be the best outcome.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Absolutely, Sean, I just fear that with that we might
end up in a situation like Afghanistan. We help the
populace too, help.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Not Donald Trump. Not gonna happen. It will never happen.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
No. What I mean is we help the populace prior
to the Soviet Union coming into Afghanistan, and then there
we are thirty and forty late years later dealing with
our own firearms against us. That is what my concern
is for the long term.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't think that's the type of weaponry that they're
going to be providing people. If I had to guess. Again,
I'm not speaking from any point of knowledge here, but
there are people even within our movement that disagree with
what I'm saying, and I'm perfectly fine with that. Everyone's
entitled to their own opinion. But if you're asking me,
(25:53):
I think the Trump doctrine dreads the needle perfectly. I
think it is. You know, we can't have forever wars.
We can't put kids on the ground in Iraq, in
Afghanistan for twenty years, stepping over IEDs and all this crap. No,
but I do believe that we can strategically and surgically
(26:17):
use our military might and have effective change and offer
solidarity and support when slaughter is happening before our eyes.
I do believe we have a moral imperative for that.
For me, it's the beauty of America being in a
position to be able to do that. Anyway, I really
appreciate the thoughtful I don't even think we really disagree.
(26:38):
I appreciate the thoughtful discussion. I really do. I think
it's important.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
All right, quick break right back to our busy phones
eight hundred and nine four one, Sean. If you want
to be a part of the program as we continue.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
The final hour of the Sean Hannity Show was up next,
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Speaker 1 (27:28):
Let's get back to our busy phones eight hundred nine
four one. Shawn our number, John in California, the United
Socialist utopia of Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
What's up, John? How are you.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Happy New Years? Shawn?
Speaker 10 (27:40):
No, I'm in the top third of California. It's a
whole different world. We're not part of the rest of
the state. Hey, that last, gentleman highlights something that I
wanted to talk to you about, because I think most
Americans have either forgotten or they don't realize that in
the sixties and seventies there were actually more mini skirts
in Iran than they were in the United States. That's
a country of one hundred million people.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Wait did you get that statistic from? I think it's funny,
But where'd you get it from?
Speaker 10 (28:06):
Well, my point is that there are one hundred million
Westerners fighting for their freedom in Iran. This is not
like any of the other countries in the Mid East.
That's a westernized country. They want our products and goods,
the big pictures. This is truly the greatest White Swan
event of the twenty first century. It's the biggest geopolitical
event ever because that market of one hundred million people
(28:26):
will open up to American goods and services, and that
will be part of the alignment of influencing the oil
markets China against ninety percent of their oil from Iran.
With Venezuela and the South America situation unfolding.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
This white swan.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
These two white swans, the bigger one being around and
then the Venezuela South America component. All of a sudden,
the world changes dramatically. Hesbel and Hamas lose their funding.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
This is so huge, but people don't.
Speaker 10 (28:54):
Understand that's a Western country under the surface in Iran.
We're not going to have those factions of terrorists rising
back up.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 10 (29:03):
We screwed up with the Shaw and the whole thing
in seventy eight to seventy nine with Carter Brazinski, the
Brits and the France. So there's all sorts of strange
reasons that never should have happened. We misread the whole
thing and we put these right through Hell and Iran
for forty seven years, and that's coming to an end because.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
We are living through historic times. This is a geo
political realignment and earthquake the likes of which has not
happened since the fall of the Berlin Wall, maybe bigger
in scope. Good call, John, I appreciate it. Eight hundred
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