February 9, 2026 • 30 mins
Sean Hannity sounds the alarm on reckless political language and the real-world consequences that follow. He breaks down inflammatory comments from elected officials, explains what the law actually says, and details why law enforcement leaders across the country are pushing back. Sean argues that words matter — especially when they come from people in power — and warns that misrepresenting self-defense laws puts officers and civilians alike in danger. This hour focuses on responsibility, truth, and the cost of incitement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks to all of you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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to be a part of the program. Just moments ago,
Savannah Guthrie on her own put out a new statement,
and we're going to play this a especially in relation
to what she put out this weekend. And here is
what she said moments ago.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on and just
share a few thoughts as we enter into another week
of this nightmare. I just want to say, first of all,
thank you so much for all of the prayers and
(00:48):
the love that we have felt, my sister and brother
and I, and that our mom has felt.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Because we believe that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Somehow, in some way, she is feeling these prayers and
that God is lifting her even in this moment and
in the darkest place, we believe our mom is still
out there. We need your help. Law enforcement is working
(01:21):
tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying
to find her.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
She was taken and we don't know where.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
And we need your help. So I'm coming on just
to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no
matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson,
if you see anything you hear anything, if there's anything
at all that seems strange to you, that you report
(01:51):
to law enforcement. We are at an hour of desperation,
and we need your.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Help, and we need her help. Obviously, a plea for desperation.
Now about three hours away from what was what Harvey
Levin told us it's from TMZ was a far more
consequential second deadline, and we're less than three hours away
(02:18):
from that now local time, seven o'clock Eastern time. Fox
News legal analyst Greg Jarrard for years you may not remember,
may recall that he worked for Court TV. You spent
a lot of time analyzing a lot of different cases.
What I hear in that message is just desperation, frustration,
(02:39):
but also belief that their mom is still out there.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, I hear that too. She described it as a nightmare,
and it is surely that the darkest place, she said,
and approaching the hour of desperation. You know, today's a
pivotal day, and you know, Sean, this is I think
a frantic race against the clock to save the life
(03:05):
of Nancy Guthrie. And we have this, you know, five
pm deadline fast approaching. The FBI and an army of
people hoping to find her before the ransom ultimatum has
to be paid. And you know, the family is said
it will pay the bitcoin demand for her safe return,
(03:28):
but there's no way of knowing if the suspected kidnappers
can be trusted to keep their word. And that's why
you hear such torment and agony in the voice of
Savannah Guthrie. And I'm sure what troubles her deeply is
the failure to provide some proof of life, at least
(03:51):
in a conventional sense, which would be perhaps a photograph,
an audio video, something. And you know that raises true
troubling questions. Why won't they do that? You know, is
this really a kidnapping for ransom? Nobody can say for sure,
but clearly Savannah is operating on that. And I'm certain
(04:15):
that the FBI has been working around the clock, hundreds
and hundreds of agents and experts trying to uncover this,
you know, well disguised digital footprint left behind and the
various email demands sent to the media outlet. But you know,
these people used a secure encrypted server, They concealed the
(04:39):
sender's location, they hid the IP address. That makes it
difficult to penetrate, and sadly others have created deep bakes,
which have only you know, made the challenge even harder
for the FBI. The bitcoin account, that's another avenue for cracking,
(05:00):
but that one's difficult as well. And meanwhile, the clock
is ticking down, and law enforcement is i think, pursuing
every conceivable avenue, even the old fashioned traditional shoe other methods,
is searching for evidence at her, near the scene and
probably elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Sean Well, I found this message to be very, very
different because I've also looked at it. She's not on script.
This seems to be just a heartfelt thank you to everybody,
in a plea to everybody to you know, please help
that they're at an hour of desperation. To use her words.
(05:44):
It also seems that she believes that her mother is alive,
that she was taken. We don't know where we need
your help. I'm coming to ask not just for your prayers,
but no matter where you are, even if you're not
even if you're far from Tucson, of he see or
hear anything, if there is anything at all that seems
strange to you, please report it to law enforcement. Which
(06:08):
is a little bit different than maybe the cryptic message
that I felt, which would be very normal by the way,
I don't want this to be misinterpreted. Seemed to be
very scripted on message, coordinated with law enforcement. And this
is the one that said that we will pay. We
(06:31):
receive your message. We understand. We beg you now to
return our mother to us so we can celebrate with her.
The words with her gave me some hope when I
heard celebrate immediately the first time I listened to it
many times, I said, oh, that sounded like maybe she
had information that maybe she thought that this would be
(06:52):
a celebration of life. But she said with her, this
is the only way we will have peace. That seemed
cryptic to me. This is very value to us, not
in a way that a communicator like Savannah Guthrie would
I think normally speak, and we will pay.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's how it ends. Let me play for you.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
We received your message, and we understand.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We beg you now to return our mother to us
so that we can celebrate with her.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
This is the only way we will have peace.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I've had a million people interpret that a million different ways.
I just prefer to focus on the idea that she's
still alive. And you know, with the deadline now approaching
the second deadline that Harvey Levin described as far more consequential,
meaning dire, that I think this last message is like, Okay,
(07:49):
we're not getting anywhere even with the willingness to pay.
What are your thoughts, what do you think the next
best step for them would be?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well, it is terribly frustrating and heartbreaking to hear this
most recent message. It's a message of desperation as we
get close to that important hour. And so you know,
Savannah is saying, please, if you see anything, you hear anything,
(08:24):
let law enforcement know about it, which sort of suggests
obviously that law enforcement is no closer to solving this
case than they were perhaps from the beginning, you know,
which I find bewildering because the FBI is so adapt
as you and I have discussed at using the most
(08:47):
advanced technology system analytics, even AI assisted crime analysis, and
you know, it's multifaceted. In addition to try to sort
of penetrate the demand notes, they've also been examining all
the cell phone activity connected to the forty one towers
(09:10):
in a three mile radius. It may have been that
the culprits did not bring mobile phones with them. Maybe
they had bernerfhones. And I'm sure the FBI has been
scouring all those street camera footage and surveillance to try
to trace vehicles between the hours of one am and
(09:30):
three AM when Nancy is believed to have been abducted.
There are licensed plate readers, dozens of them in that
general area. But as I discussed before with you, you know,
smart criminals often steal plates, and so all you can
really get here make models and colors. The difficulty here
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is exacerbated by the remoteness of that neighborhood in a
very secluded region. The house is set back, blocked by
desert foliage, no street lines, So that makes it so
hard for anybody that night to have seen or heard
anything in the darkness of the night.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And let me ask a hard question, because and it's
not hard for me. Michael Harrigan, who oversaw the FBI
National Academy, says, the proof of life is everything. But
if there's no two way here, which there's not, obviously,
no good comes from sending the money they said we
will pay. With the deadline. The second deadline now approaching.
(10:42):
It sounds like that they are going to do that,
and I don't know what that means or what you
can expect or from that.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Well, it's frustrating. Excuse me, when you have no direct
communication and it's it is highly unusual. I mean, I've
never heard of it. Usually there's some sort of back
and forth, there is some communication established so you can
(11:12):
work out the details of the exchange money for the
human life. But here there's none of that. It's just
demands sent via emails to the media. And so I mean,
(11:32):
I suppose that these suspected kidnappers are you know, examining
the bitcoin account, waiting for the money to arrive, and
maybe it has, maybe it will be in the next
couple of hours. You know, we don't know. Savannah said
we will pay. So it is truly a very different, bizarre,
(11:58):
odd mysterious way of you know, kidnapping and demand for ransom.
But it has apparently befuddled the best in law enforcement
so far, it really.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Has, and I'm sure frustrating for them. I don't really
think there's an option. I think that you just, you know,
as this deadline fast approaches, if anybody puts themselves in
her shoes. I think paying is probably the right call.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Oh, I absolutely agree. You know, you would pay the
money to get your loved one back, any amount of money,
and so, you know, I think that's the only choice here.
Pay the money and then wait and hope and pray that. Uh,
(12:55):
you know, the safe return of Nancy Guthrie is immin it.
But that is another challenge for the kidnappers. You know,
how do they do that without getting caught? You know,
do you leave her in a remote area then send
a message to a media outlet as to where she is.
You know, you don't want to let her off in
(13:18):
a place that's busy because you know, that's where you
get caught with cameras and surveillance and people seeing things.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So you know, it's a very it's kind of mind
numbing with all the technology we have and all the
cameras that are everywhere, that nothing has has pop that
we know of, and I assume we don't know everything
that law enforcement is doing.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, we don't know what they have. And I am
sure that they are pursuing possible leads, some of them
result in a dead end. We hope they have one
that comes to fruition and can bring her back. But
you know, I think I would never faul to the FBI.
(14:04):
I think they've done their level best. You know, President
Trump was on this telling everybody in the federal government
it's all hands on deck. Everybody needs to contribute, and
I'm sure they have been, but you know, it's one
of those exceedingly difficult cases.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
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Moments ago, Savannah Guthrie puts out, Now, remember we are
now less than two and a half hours away from
what Harvey Levin described, because he read the entire note
(16:11):
as a far more consequential deadline of five o'clock Tucson time,
which is seven o'clock Eastern time tonight, and that deadline
is approaching. And here it is about three hours before
Savannah Guthrie put out a new message. Unlike the message yesterday,
which we'll compare it to, it seemed like she was
looking straight at the camera, speaking straight from her heart extemporaneously.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And just share a few thoughts as we enter into
another week of this nightmare. I just want to say,
first of all, thank you so much for all of
the prayers and the love that we have felt, my
(17:04):
sister and brother and I and that our mom has felt.
Because we believe that somehow, in some ways, she is
feeling these prayers and that God is lifting her even
in this moment and in the darkest place, we believe
our mom is still out there.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We need your help.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to
bring her home, trying to find her. She was taken
and we don't know where, and we need your help.
So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just
for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even
(17:53):
if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you
hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange
to you that you report to law enforcement. We are
an hour of desperation.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And we need your help, multiple times saying we need
your help. It's an hour of desperation as we now
approach this more consequential deadline. Yes, the message that came
out this weekend was far more cryptic to me, more scripted,
which probably was coordinated with law enforcement. We'll get Nancy
Grace's take on in a second. Here's what she said
(18:32):
this weekend.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
We received your message, and we understand.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
We beg you now to return our mother to us
so that we can celebrate with her.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
This is the only way we will have peace.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
This is very valuable to us, and we will pay
all right.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Nancy Grace joins us now, of course with crime stories
with Nancy Grace on Serious also Fox Nation. A very
different message today, but we're now approaching that consequential deadline.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Well, Jean, I didn't know that it could be more
heartbreaking until we hear Savannah state, we are at an
hour of desperation. And for anyone that's ever been in
a position where you feel you are about to lose
something you love the most, in the world and not
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being able to do anything about it. To be totally
at the mercy of someone you don't know that it's
picked you out of millions of people to torture and
take your mother. It's just to hear her voice. It's excruciating,
which leads me to something you asked me earlier today.
(19:51):
Do I think there has been another message in addition
to the two ransom related messages sent through media? I
think that now it's very possible. Does this mean they
haven't heard anything? They have no reason to hope they'll
get their mom back. They're begging the public us to help.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You see when And I've had so many friends contact
me over the weekend, and I contacted you because there's
nobody better at figuring this out, or anyone that has
more experience. But we received your message. We understand it
sounded like the possible other message was sent.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's how I interpreted it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And then I got nervous when I heard the words celebrate,
I'm thinking, all right, does she talking about a celebration
of life? And then I wrote you, I said, but
the keywords afterwards celebrate with her? And then it sounds
a little more cryptic. This is the only way we
will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and
we will pay. I think you agree with me that
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that was written in coordination with law enforcement.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Right well, I know Savannah, and Savannah can add lib
off the top of her head. She couldn't do her
job on the Today Show if she couldn't roll with
the punches, because you don't know what the guests might say.
It's not all scripted, but I saw her. I was
watching her, and she she made a statement, and then
(21:24):
she looked down and paused, and she was looking at
a script. It was scripted, not necessarily this one where
she's begging for our help, but where she was saying,
we will pay. And you're right. When I heard celebrate,
I first thought celebration of life, and my stomach just
clenched because I thought she believed her mom is dead.
(21:48):
But you're right, you caught it. Celebrate with her as
if they're going to celebrate a homecoming. But this very
last message from Savannah in her hour of desperation, as
she puts it, tells me that they don't have any
hope right now. You know what I was thinking all long, shance,
(22:09):
Maybe they are onto something and they're not letting it
onto us. Maybe they have an idea, have a being
on a potential suspect, but this suggests they are truly
at the end of their road. They got nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
That's what that's that's what I'm taking out of it.
And here's what else stands out to me. And I
always assumed that there was a pathway to payment, and
we will pay. Is very valuable to us, we will pay.
And then couple that with today's message, and I'm thinking
they might not have been given instructions on how to pay,
(22:51):
except maybe I heard there was a bitcoin they wanted
to be paid in bitcoin.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
But does that mean they gave an account?
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Well, according to Levin, he checked the account and the
account was verified. It's a real account now as of
a couple of hours ago. Levin states that no money
has been put into that account. But I was looking
at certain words she said, and her next to the
last message beg celebrate peace, valuable. Understand those are embedded commands.
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That's what no negotiators call words that Savannah stressed beg
celebrate peace, valuable. And it's almost as if she had
been asked, do you understand, and she said, we understand that,
to me is an answer to a question.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's what makes us think that there might be a
there might have been another note that nobody knows about.
So if you're in this situation now, it is interesting
because I guess there's different.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Points of view there is.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
For example, Michael Harrington, who oversaw the FBID National Academy, says,
proof of life is everything. If there's no two way
back and forth or no way to communicate with this individual,
assuming there's an individual or individuals, no good comes from
sending the money. I don't really think that's going to
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be an option for them. And she said as much
that we will pay.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Well, I mean, Sean, could you sit back and think, well,
I didn't get the proof of life I wanted. I'm
not sending the money and then regret it for the
rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I couldn't live with myself.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
No. No, the grandma's house is worth a million dollars
pocket get a loan, get the money, do it, go
fund me, do whatever you've got to do. And if
you lose the money, you lose the money that you
cannot take a chance with your mother's life. And I'm
telling you, Sean, we keep hearing from these so called experts. Well,
there hasn't been proof of life. We don't know what
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was in those missives. We don't know everything. It doesn't
have to be a picture or a video which can
easily be manipulated. It could be something that only the
mom knows that nobody else knows, like her childhood name.
Who knew that Queen of England was saying a little
bit until you know just a few years ago. Nobody
knows secret names, pets, names, home phone number that used
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to be on your childhood anything. It doesn't have to
be a video, it doesn't have to be a picture.
They could have gotten information in one of those notes
that revealed they have missus Guthrie, and they're certainly seeming
to take them seriously. So all of those so called
experts that are pooh poohing the idea of sending the money,
(25:44):
let's see what you would do in the same situation.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I hate when people, you know, make judgments about what
are the people would do in a circumstance like those.
It drives me crazy. Why do you think law enforcement
keeps returning to this home? And they took a cli
far away and then a report that they were spotted
Sunday afternoon yesterday searching a septic tank behind the house
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and putting long poles into the septic tank.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
What do you make.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Of that, Well, there's two ways to look at it. One,
they got information, a tip or some other information that
they should go check the septic tank. And again for
city folks that are on so called city water and
city septics, you don't have a septic tank. Country people
or people out in the desert. In this case, they
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have a sept tank.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
My last home I had a septic tank. Is that overflowed.
It was not pleasant, not.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Pleasant at all. So it could have been a matter
of their talking and they go, wait, does she have
a septic tank? We better go check it. And if
you look at the instrument they were using, they weren't
just poking around with a stick. According to an expert
that I spoke with that specialty is finding missing people.
There was another device and they were looking down and
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there was a light and potentially a camera. I think
of course they were looking for a body, of course,
but because the manhole used was big enough to put
a body into, but there had already been out a scent.
Dogs and cadaver dogs. We've been told, so a cadaver
dog would led straight to that. So I think they
were looking for something that may have been flushed down
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the commode. Think about a knife, Think about something that
it may be difficult but that is flushable, Something that
was carried out to the septic tank and dropped in there.
It could even be any number of things that I
think they were crossing their t's and dotting their eyes.
I don't think they thought they were going to find
Nancy Guffrie at a septic tank. But also concerning is
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the search of the sister Savannah's sister Annie's home, because
they were there late at night, they didn't live till
nearly eleven o'clock, and they were viewed by media taking
pictures with slash photography throughout the house from the garage
to the other end of the house. They left again,
we think, with a celebrate, which is a you said
(28:05):
that you and I talked about the other night on Fox,
which downloads all digital information. It can be deleted, it
can be encrypted, it doesn't matter, they'll get it. Why
were they back again at Annie's with celebrates? They also
came out with paper bags, which we all know carry evidence.
If you carry a plastic bag and there's any moisture,
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it can degenerate the evidence. It can plastic can also
remove finger prints or even DNA, so always paper. They
came out with paper bags. What did they get don't know,
but they got something. And one more thing before I
lose my train of thought, Sean, they've already been in
the home, we believe once with a celebrate a You said,
(28:49):
what does that mean? I'm deducing that did someone get
a message such as you're suggesting, on a phone, a text,
and there they have got on back in with the
celebrate to try to trace it. I mean, it does
make sense, It makes.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
A lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
What doesn't make sense is an eighty four year old
woman being taken like this. That just does not make sense.
And as far as the septic tank, it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't fit the trail of blood leaving it leading
out of the house, or what we learned in the
very beginning of all of this. It's just frustrating. One
(29:29):
of the things that you know, a lot of people
have raised the question why there's been so much attention.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'll tell you why. There's a lot of attention. Number one,
she's famous.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Number two. You can't believe this would happen. But it
also to me, it highlights something that's always been very
important to me, which is that every life matters.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
That's why I've spent twenty years scrolling names that nobody's
ever heard of, of people shot and shot and killed
in cities like New York City or Chicago, and just
to make a point that you know, we can save lives,
we can ensure law and order and safety and security
for every person, and that every life does matter, and
(30:08):
it is a gift from God, and we ought to
put a very high value on all of it. You're amazing,
You're so generous with your time. We really appreciate it.
We'll know a lot more when you're on the air tonight,
I assume with us on Hannity, Nancy Grace, the one
and only.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Thank you, Thank you, frand goodbye.
Thanks to all of you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Write down our toll free telephone number if you want
to be a part of the program. Just moments ago,
Savannah Guthrie on her own put out a new statement,
and we're going to play this a especially in relation
to what she put out this weekend. And here is
what she said moments ago.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on and just
share a few thoughts as we enter into another week
of this nightmare. I just want to say, first of all,
thank you so much for all of the prayers and
(00:48):
the love that we have felt, my sister and brother
and I, and that our mom has felt.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Because we believe that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Somehow, in some way, she is feeling these prayers and
that God is lifting her even in this moment and
in the darkest place, we believe our mom is still
out there. We need your help. Law enforcement is working
(01:21):
tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying
to find her.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
She was taken and we don't know where.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
And we need your help. So I'm coming on just
to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no
matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson,
if you see anything you hear anything, if there's anything
at all that seems strange to you, that you report
(01:51):
to law enforcement. We are at an hour of desperation,
and we need your.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Help, and we need her help. Obviously, a plea for desperation.
Now about three hours away from what was what Harvey
Levin told us it's from TMZ was a far more
consequential second deadline, and we're less than three hours away
(02:18):
from that now local time, seven o'clock Eastern time. Fox
News legal analyst Greg Jarrard for years you may not remember,
may recall that he worked for Court TV. You spent
a lot of time analyzing a lot of different cases.
What I hear in that message is just desperation, frustration,
(02:39):
but also belief that their mom is still out there.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, I hear that too. She described it as a nightmare,
and it is surely that the darkest place, she said,
and approaching the hour of desperation. You know, today's a
pivotal day, and you know, Sean, this is I think
a frantic race against the clock to save the life
(03:05):
of Nancy Guthrie. And we have this, you know, five
pm deadline fast approaching. The FBI and an army of
people hoping to find her before the ransom ultimatum has
to be paid. And you know, the family is said
it will pay the bitcoin demand for her safe return,
(03:28):
but there's no way of knowing if the suspected kidnappers
can be trusted to keep their word. And that's why
you hear such torment and agony in the voice of
Savannah Guthrie. And I'm sure what troubles her deeply is
the failure to provide some proof of life, at least
(03:51):
in a conventional sense, which would be perhaps a photograph,
an audio video, something. And you know that raises true
troubling questions. Why won't they do that? You know, is
this really a kidnapping for ransom? Nobody can say for sure,
but clearly Savannah is operating on that. And I'm certain
(04:15):
that the FBI has been working around the clock, hundreds
and hundreds of agents and experts trying to uncover this,
you know, well disguised digital footprint left behind and the
various email demands sent to the media outlet. But you know,
these people used a secure encrypted server, They concealed the
(04:39):
sender's location, they hid the IP address. That makes it
difficult to penetrate, and sadly others have created deep bakes,
which have only you know, made the challenge even harder
for the FBI. The bitcoin account, that's another avenue for cracking,
(05:00):
but that one's difficult as well. And meanwhile, the clock
is ticking down, and law enforcement is i think, pursuing
every conceivable avenue, even the old fashioned traditional shoe other methods,
is searching for evidence at her, near the scene and
probably elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Sean Well, I found this message to be very, very
different because I've also looked at it. She's not on script.
This seems to be just a heartfelt thank you to everybody,
in a plea to everybody to you know, please help
that they're at an hour of desperation. To use her words.
(05:44):
It also seems that she believes that her mother is alive,
that she was taken. We don't know where we need
your help. I'm coming to ask not just for your prayers,
but no matter where you are, even if you're not
even if you're far from Tucson, of he see or
hear anything, if there is anything at all that seems
strange to you, please report it to law enforcement. Which
(06:08):
is a little bit different than maybe the cryptic message
that I felt, which would be very normal by the way,
I don't want this to be misinterpreted. Seemed to be
very scripted on message, coordinated with law enforcement. And this
is the one that said that we will pay. We
(06:31):
receive your message. We understand. We beg you now to
return our mother to us so we can celebrate with her.
The words with her gave me some hope when I
heard celebrate immediately the first time I listened to it
many times, I said, oh, that sounded like maybe she
had information that maybe she thought that this would be
(06:52):
a celebration of life. But she said with her, this
is the only way we will have peace. That seemed
cryptic to me. This is very value to us, not
in a way that a communicator like Savannah Guthrie would
I think normally speak, and we will pay.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's how it ends. Let me play for you.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
We received your message, and we understand.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We beg you now to return our mother to us
so that we can celebrate with her.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
This is the only way we will have peace.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I've had a million people interpret that a million different ways.
I just prefer to focus on the idea that she's
still alive. And you know, with the deadline now approaching
the second deadline that Harvey Levin described as far more consequential,
meaning dire, that I think this last message is like, Okay,
(07:49):
we're not getting anywhere even with the willingness to pay.
What are your thoughts, what do you think the next
best step for them would be?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well, it is terribly frustrating and heartbreaking to hear this
most recent message. It's a message of desperation as we
get close to that important hour. And so you know,
Savannah is saying, please, if you see anything, you hear anything,
(08:24):
let law enforcement know about it, which sort of suggests
obviously that law enforcement is no closer to solving this
case than they were perhaps from the beginning, you know,
which I find bewildering because the FBI is so adapt
as you and I have discussed at using the most
(08:47):
advanced technology system analytics, even AI assisted crime analysis, and
you know, it's multifaceted. In addition to try to sort
of penetrate the demand notes, they've also been examining all
the cell phone activity connected to the forty one towers
(09:10):
in a three mile radius. It may have been that
the culprits did not bring mobile phones with them. Maybe
they had bernerfhones. And I'm sure the FBI has been
scouring all those street camera footage and surveillance to try
to trace vehicles between the hours of one am and
(09:30):
three AM when Nancy is believed to have been abducted.
There are licensed plate readers, dozens of them in that
general area. But as I discussed before with you, you know,
smart criminals often steal plates, and so all you can
really get here make models and colors. The difficulty here
(09:56):
is exacerbated by the remoteness of that neighborhood in a
very secluded region. The house is set back, blocked by
desert foliage, no street lines, So that makes it so
hard for anybody that night to have seen or heard
anything in the darkness of the night.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And let me ask a hard question, because and it's
not hard for me. Michael Harrigan, who oversaw the FBI
National Academy, says, the proof of life is everything. But
if there's no two way here, which there's not, obviously,
no good comes from sending the money they said we
will pay. With the deadline. The second deadline now approaching.
(10:42):
It sounds like that they are going to do that,
and I don't know what that means or what you
can expect or from that.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Well, it's frustrating. Excuse me, when you have no direct
communication and it's it is highly unusual. I mean, I've
never heard of it. Usually there's some sort of back
and forth, there is some communication established so you can
(11:12):
work out the details of the exchange money for the
human life. But here there's none of that. It's just
demands sent via emails to the media. And so I mean,
(11:32):
I suppose that these suspected kidnappers are you know, examining
the bitcoin account, waiting for the money to arrive, and
maybe it has, maybe it will be in the next
couple of hours. You know, we don't know. Savannah said
we will pay. So it is truly a very different, bizarre,
(11:58):
odd mysterious way of you know, kidnapping and demand for ransom.
But it has apparently befuddled the best in law enforcement
so far, it really.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Has, and I'm sure frustrating for them. I don't really
think there's an option. I think that you just, you know,
as this deadline fast approaches, if anybody puts themselves in
her shoes. I think paying is probably the right call.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Oh, I absolutely agree. You know, you would pay the
money to get your loved one back, any amount of money,
and so, you know, I think that's the only choice here.
Pay the money and then wait and hope and pray that. Uh,
(12:55):
you know, the safe return of Nancy Guthrie is immin it.
But that is another challenge for the kidnappers. You know,
how do they do that without getting caught? You know,
do you leave her in a remote area then send
a message to a media outlet as to where she is.
You know, you don't want to let her off in
(13:18):
a place that's busy because you know, that's where you
get caught with cameras and surveillance and people seeing things.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So you know, it's a very it's kind of mind
numbing with all the technology we have and all the
cameras that are everywhere, that nothing has has pop that
we know of, and I assume we don't know everything
that law enforcement is doing.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, we don't know what they have. And I am
sure that they are pursuing possible leads, some of them
result in a dead end. We hope they have one
that comes to fruition and can bring her back. But
you know, I think I would never faul to the FBI.
(14:04):
I think they've done their level best. You know, President
Trump was on this telling everybody in the federal government
it's all hands on deck. Everybody needs to contribute, and
I'm sure they have been, but you know, it's one
of those exceedingly difficult cases.
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Moments ago, Savannah Guthrie puts out, Now, remember we are
now less than two and a half hours away from
what Harvey Levin described, because he read the entire note
(16:11):
as a far more consequential deadline of five o'clock Tucson time,
which is seven o'clock Eastern time tonight, and that deadline
is approaching. And here it is about three hours before
Savannah Guthrie put out a new message. Unlike the message yesterday,
which we'll compare it to, it seemed like she was
looking straight at the camera, speaking straight from her heart extemporaneously.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Hi, there, everybody. I wanted to come on.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And just share a few thoughts as we enter into
another week of this nightmare. I just want to say,
first of all, thank you so much for all of
the prayers and the love that we have felt, my
(17:04):
sister and brother and I and that our mom has felt.
Because we believe that somehow, in some ways, she is
feeling these prayers and that God is lifting her even
in this moment and in the darkest place, we believe
our mom is still out there.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We need your help.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to
bring her home, trying to find her. She was taken
and we don't know where, and we need your help.
So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just
for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even
(17:53):
if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you
hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange
to you that you report to law enforcement. We are
an hour of desperation.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And we need your help, multiple times saying we need
your help. It's an hour of desperation as we now
approach this more consequential deadline. Yes, the message that came
out this weekend was far more cryptic to me, more scripted,
which probably was coordinated with law enforcement. We'll get Nancy
Grace's take on in a second. Here's what she said
(18:32):
this weekend.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
We received your message, and we understand.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
We beg you now to return our mother to us
so that we can celebrate with her.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
This is the only way we will have peace.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
This is very valuable to us, and we will pay
all right.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Nancy Grace joins us now, of course with crime stories
with Nancy Grace on Serious also Fox Nation. A very
different message today, but we're now approaching that consequential deadline.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Well, Jean, I didn't know that it could be more
heartbreaking until we hear Savannah state, we are at an
hour of desperation. And for anyone that's ever been in
a position where you feel you are about to lose
something you love the most, in the world and not
(19:28):
being able to do anything about it. To be totally
at the mercy of someone you don't know that it's
picked you out of millions of people to torture and
take your mother. It's just to hear her voice. It's excruciating,
which leads me to something you asked me earlier today.
(19:51):
Do I think there has been another message in addition
to the two ransom related messages sent through media? I
think that now it's very possible. Does this mean they
haven't heard anything? They have no reason to hope they'll
get their mom back. They're begging the public us to help.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You see when And I've had so many friends contact
me over the weekend, and I contacted you because there's
nobody better at figuring this out, or anyone that has
more experience. But we received your message. We understand it
sounded like the possible other message was sent.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's how I interpreted it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And then I got nervous when I heard the words celebrate,
I'm thinking, all right, does she talking about a celebration
of life? And then I wrote you, I said, but
the keywords afterwards celebrate with her? And then it sounds
a little more cryptic. This is the only way we
will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and
we will pay. I think you agree with me that
(20:59):
that was written in coordination with law enforcement.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Right well, I know Savannah, and Savannah can add lib
off the top of her head. She couldn't do her
job on the Today Show if she couldn't roll with
the punches, because you don't know what the guests might say.
It's not all scripted, but I saw her. I was
watching her, and she she made a statement, and then
(21:24):
she looked down and paused, and she was looking at
a script. It was scripted, not necessarily this one where
she's begging for our help, but where she was saying,
we will pay. And you're right. When I heard celebrate,
I first thought celebration of life, and my stomach just
clenched because I thought she believed her mom is dead.
(21:48):
But you're right, you caught it. Celebrate with her as
if they're going to celebrate a homecoming. But this very
last message from Savannah in her hour of desperation, as
she puts it, tells me that they don't have any
hope right now. You know what I was thinking all long, shance,
(22:09):
Maybe they are onto something and they're not letting it
onto us. Maybe they have an idea, have a being
on a potential suspect, but this suggests they are truly
at the end of their road. They got nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
That's what that's that's what I'm taking out of it.
And here's what else stands out to me. And I
always assumed that there was a pathway to payment, and
we will pay. Is very valuable to us, we will pay.
And then couple that with today's message, and I'm thinking
they might not have been given instructions on how to pay,
(22:51):
except maybe I heard there was a bitcoin they wanted
to be paid in bitcoin.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
But does that mean they gave an account?
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Well, according to Levin, he checked the account and the
account was verified. It's a real account now as of
a couple of hours ago. Levin states that no money
has been put into that account. But I was looking
at certain words she said, and her next to the
last message beg celebrate peace, valuable. Understand those are embedded commands.
(23:28):
That's what no negotiators call words that Savannah stressed beg
celebrate peace, valuable. And it's almost as if she had
been asked, do you understand, and she said, we understand that,
to me is an answer to a question.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's what makes us think that there might be a
there might have been another note that nobody knows about.
So if you're in this situation now, it is interesting
because I guess there's different.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Points of view there is.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
For example, Michael Harrington, who oversaw the FBID National Academy, says,
proof of life is everything. If there's no two way
back and forth or no way to communicate with this individual,
assuming there's an individual or individuals, no good comes from
sending the money. I don't really think that's going to
(24:23):
be an option for them. And she said as much
that we will pay.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Well, I mean, Sean, could you sit back and think, well,
I didn't get the proof of life I wanted. I'm
not sending the money and then regret it for the
rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I couldn't live with myself.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
No. No, the grandma's house is worth a million dollars
pocket get a loan, get the money, do it, go
fund me, do whatever you've got to do. And if
you lose the money, you lose the money that you
cannot take a chance with your mother's life. And I'm
telling you, Sean, we keep hearing from these so called experts. Well,
there hasn't been proof of life. We don't know what
(24:59):
was in those missives. We don't know everything. It doesn't
have to be a picture or a video which can
easily be manipulated. It could be something that only the
mom knows that nobody else knows, like her childhood name.
Who knew that Queen of England was saying a little
bit until you know just a few years ago. Nobody
knows secret names, pets, names, home phone number that used
(25:23):
to be on your childhood anything. It doesn't have to
be a video, it doesn't have to be a picture.
They could have gotten information in one of those notes
that revealed they have missus Guthrie, and they're certainly seeming
to take them seriously. So all of those so called
experts that are pooh poohing the idea of sending the money,
(25:44):
let's see what you would do in the same situation.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I hate when people, you know, make judgments about what
are the people would do in a circumstance like those.
It drives me crazy. Why do you think law enforcement
keeps returning to this home? And they took a cli
far away and then a report that they were spotted
Sunday afternoon yesterday searching a septic tank behind the house
(26:08):
and putting long poles into the septic tank.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
What do you make.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Of that, Well, there's two ways to look at it. One,
they got information, a tip or some other information that
they should go check the septic tank. And again for
city folks that are on so called city water and
city septics, you don't have a septic tank. Country people
or people out in the desert. In this case, they
(26:33):
have a sept tank.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
My last home I had a septic tank. Is that overflowed.
It was not pleasant, not.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Pleasant at all. So it could have been a matter
of their talking and they go, wait, does she have
a septic tank? We better go check it. And if
you look at the instrument they were using, they weren't
just poking around with a stick. According to an expert
that I spoke with that specialty is finding missing people.
There was another device and they were looking down and
(27:02):
there was a light and potentially a camera. I think
of course they were looking for a body, of course,
but because the manhole used was big enough to put
a body into, but there had already been out a scent.
Dogs and cadaver dogs. We've been told, so a cadaver
dog would led straight to that. So I think they
were looking for something that may have been flushed down
(27:22):
the commode. Think about a knife, Think about something that
it may be difficult but that is flushable, Something that
was carried out to the septic tank and dropped in there.
It could even be any number of things that I
think they were crossing their t's and dotting their eyes.
I don't think they thought they were going to find
Nancy Guffrie at a septic tank. But also concerning is
(27:43):
the search of the sister Savannah's sister Annie's home, because
they were there late at night, they didn't live till
nearly eleven o'clock, and they were viewed by media taking
pictures with slash photography throughout the house from the garage
to the other end of the house. They left again,
we think, with a celebrate, which is a you said
(28:05):
that you and I talked about the other night on Fox,
which downloads all digital information. It can be deleted, it
can be encrypted, it doesn't matter, they'll get it. Why
were they back again at Annie's with celebrates? They also
came out with paper bags, which we all know carry evidence.
If you carry a plastic bag and there's any moisture,
(28:28):
it can degenerate the evidence. It can plastic can also
remove finger prints or even DNA, so always paper. They
came out with paper bags. What did they get don't know,
but they got something. And one more thing before I
lose my train of thought, Sean, they've already been in
the home, we believe once with a celebrate a You said,
(28:49):
what does that mean? I'm deducing that did someone get
a message such as you're suggesting, on a phone, a text,
and there they have got on back in with the
celebrate to try to trace it. I mean, it does
make sense, It makes.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
A lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
What doesn't make sense is an eighty four year old
woman being taken like this. That just does not make sense.
And as far as the septic tank, it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't fit the trail of blood leaving it leading
out of the house, or what we learned in the
very beginning of all of this. It's just frustrating. One
(29:29):
of the things that you know, a lot of people
have raised the question why there's been so much attention.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'll tell you why. There's a lot of attention. Number one,
she's famous.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Number two. You can't believe this would happen. But it
also to me, it highlights something that's always been very
important to me, which is that every life matters.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
That's why I've spent twenty years scrolling names that nobody's
ever heard of, of people shot and shot and killed
in cities like New York City or Chicago, and just
to make a point that you know, we can save lives,
we can ensure law and order and safety and security
for every person, and that every life does matter, and
(30:08):
it is a gift from God, and we ought to
put a very high value on all of it. You're amazing,
You're so generous with your time. We really appreciate it.
We'll know a lot more when you're on the air tonight,
I assume with us on Hannity, Nancy Grace, the one
and only.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Thank you, Thank you, frand goodbye.
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